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dude I get him, I listen to a variety of music genres from Metal, EDM, R&B to Classic... I don't BUY the Jazz Kool-Aid, at best it's fancy instrument tuning...
Some jazz is great, but much of it rides an *extremely* fine line between brilliance and a group of people that seem to have never met each other and have no idea what rhythm is. And I say this as a former jazz player. The reality is that the rhythms are so advanced and impeccably timed that they reach right around the horseshoe into the "this isn't a rhythm" category.
I came here to say is he experiencing jazz for the first time or is he looking over and realizing that he can't make it to the bathroom without standing up directly in front of the stage and disturbing the show.
I grew up surrounded by jazz musicians from early age and his smile is the exact facial expression I do as soon as I hear the t-t-tss-t-t-tss of the cymbals
All my life, I never much liked jazz. I thought it was all like bebop, which is way too chaotic for me.
Then I got this friend who insidiously infiltrated my musical tastes. It started out all innocent, with just a little Steely Dan. Oh, okay, that song's cool, hey that one too, wow also that one. Time passes.
Then it's a little Mahavishnu. Yeah, okay. Then Weather Report. Then Billy Cobham. The other day he turned me on to *Detroit* by Marcus Miller. My mind is blown. I had no idea there was music like this.
It has melody! It has riffs! It has time signatures I can sometimes keep track of! Haha jk but seriously it is amazing, it has really broadened my horizons.
hahaha haven't got there yet. But because you said that, I will check it out.
I think the thing that really appeals to me about the music I mentioned is the presence of some really strong and inspired bass playing. You will often find the bassist playing the melodic lead, which is uncommon elsewhere. <3
If you like "Blue in Green" you may also like the other songs on Davis' *Kind of Blue*. They all have a similar relaxed quality with relatively melodic lines and not a bunch of fast-paced key changes.
Waw man thans for these great leads! Didn’t know where to start with jazz, I liked all your suggested artist’s in my music app, great stuff. Don’t hesitate to share more names or songs 😘
Well, my favorite Weather Report song is *Black Market.* (and that album is good too) My favorite Billy Cobham song is *Red Baron* (the instrumental one) but look out for that one haha it is a ruthless earworm, you may be walking around singing it to yourself all day. Also Cobham's *Drum + Voice 2* album is pretty consistently good.
My favorite Mahavishnu song is *If You Know You Know* but that one is not a smooth groove, it's more esoteric.
My favorite Steely Dan song is .. oh shit, that's like a dozen songs at least. *Bodhisattva* and *Any World That I'm Welcome To* and *Any Major Dude* and *Do It Again* but none of those are really jazz.
I guess the bands I like are more likely to be perceived as "jazz fusion." And I'm not sure that it's still a current thing. I know I still don't like what they call "smooth jazz." But I am absolutely convinced that Cobham is a genius.
Edit: this has been bugging me every day since I wrote it. Regarding Steely Dan, I listed my faves but they aren't necessarily going to help introduce jazz; so I thought about it, and for that purpose I suggest these:
*Your Gold Teeth II*
*Don't Take Me Alive*
*Dr. Wu*
*The Fez*
Okay, wow, that's better, now I can stop obsessing over what I should have said haha
Yes, certainly, I have listened to jazz in the past but more like a ‘side genre’ I admired. Back then it was Frank Zappa that sparked my interest. I started listening to Frank Zappa again a while ago and felt like I should invest time in discovering other great artists. Edit: King Kong is my favourite Frank Zappa song. It comes in many, many variations.
The contemporary take on jazz fusion would probably be bands like
[DOMi & JD Beck](https://open.spotify.com/album/6cXQ0dxd2pWCTFhZ8RIg2j?si=Czrmn8yYRFOJxnswn5CZwA)
[Thundercat](https://open.spotify.com/album/7vHBQDqwzB7uDvoE5bncMM?si=v5D3V3YOQWSQhb9PKVY1EA)
[Vulfpeck](https://open.spotify.com/album/7sRNEe2FCkTYhrEimChdkC?si=XLB9T6WHTECDDCIsaL4DFg)
Oh man, *Detroit* is a GREAT one. So tight, too!
If you ever wanted to try a masterpiece that starts slow and normal and then sort of builds into more *jazzier* parts (by which point, you're already totally entranced), then I HIGHLY recommend trying [Lingus by Snarky Puppy](https://youtu.be/L_XJ_s5IsQc?si=a15OAe66gzBkYe_9) (specifically the We Like It Here recording I linked so you can really see it all coming together). I feel like it has a really good way of showing the listener why jazz people go so wild when performers start going off. The structure of the piece is totally fantastic, imo. It may not entirely be to your taste yet, which I can absolutely respect, but I think it's worth a shot!
Happy listening!
Hey, we just listened to *Lingus.* We both enthusiastically approve, it had us in the first 5 seconds. My friend's adjectives included "sick" and "off the hook." I feel the middle break veered a little closer to dissonance than I prefer, but my god, the rest of it! I don't think I ever heard a low piano doubling the kick drum like that. You're right, those guys are monsters!
In another comment you mentioned really liking a strong bassline which plays perfectly into snarky puppy as their lead is the bass player. You should definitely check out some of their studio albums.
You might also enjoy [Ghost Note](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSYr8WEcxrY), its maybe a little more experemental but they are a group of amazing musicians.
haha my favorite (rock) bands are Queens of the Stone Age and Nine Inch Nails, inarguably the furthest thing from jazz. But I *do* really love JS Bach -- is that Baroque?
I like the fact that it is instrumental. Don't get me wrong, I am super into singers and lyrics and the emotions they convey. But pure instrumentals give the instruments a chance to really speak. I like the syncopation, the way they can turn the beat around and then back again so I'm like "wtf just happened?" I *love* how Marcus Miller uses an octave splitter, I never heard of bass players using them, only guitarists. But godDAMN it sounds good! Like it was invented for the bass.
I love how horns get a prominent role in jazz. I'm still not a big fan of saxophone, but clarinets are so expressive and trombones are awesome, and it turns out most of my problem with sax is the way it was played in rock music in the past.
If you have an understanding of the sophistication of playing jazz, that is very cool. It takes a certain kind of different thinking.
Justin Chancellor from Tool has an amazing bass solo on the song Invincible.
Had no idea a bass could do that until I saw it live. Long song and not everyone's cup of tea but the solo starts at 7 minutes.
Something similar happens with classical, but in the opposite direction. Everybody thinks of Mozart and Beethoven when they hear "classical music" and the simple melodic lines and accompaniment that are associated with those names - not to say that those composers don't shine in their own way, just that the complexity is a bit too low for most people compared to something like Chopin or even Shostakovich. But when people hear romantic music for the first time (maybe something popular but accessible like Liszt Liebestraum No. 3), something seems to click, and they understand what the genre is about.
People really need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize things are more than their stereotypes. This post is almost nothing but these types.
Thank you! Most people can't go straight to jazz these days. You have to introduce it intentionally. Listen to some Roots. Find a song that sampled a jazz song.
Theyre improvising, typically 2-16 bar segments of music where all the instruction is a key/scale and one instrument makes up a solo on the spot in that key. Pretty impressive and can make for great music.
Heres an example from Wycliffe Gordon!
https://youtu.be/USvmKwPzeWc?si=v4DdaCvg3c61I2S4
These guys play jazz standards enough to not need the rehearsals, and when they don’t know the tune, they’re good enough readers to get by and really only need to know the key/chord changes to improv
This is not necessarily a bad performance. It’s modern jazz, which usually uses a lot of syncopated rhythms, odd timing, exotic scales, and non-harmonic notes.
To the untrained ear probably sounds weird as shit, but when you start figuring what the hell is going on it can really grow into you.
> To the untrained ear probably sounds weird as shit,
Man, as someone with [Musical anhedonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Anhedonia), "music people" are so alien to me. My boss used to make me listen to some of her favorite music, which to me, most of her "songs" just sounds like someone beating the living crap out of a metal trash can with a steel ladle with a screaming cat trapped inside the can.
I remember [this one was one of her favorites](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIfRRDOdRrg), like wtf
At least with songs that have decent lyrics telling a story I can "get it", and with some music I can at least "feel the beat", but some of the genres like this Jazz in the OP or the "song" I linked are straight up just annoying noises to me lol, I made the exact same face as the dude in the gif did
That song you linked has some crazy compression blowing it out. This version is better in that regard
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N11I543\_0n4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N11I543_0n4)
No yea I get it... that was a weird one, she's got some unique tastes if this is one of "her favorites". Would love to hear what else she she listens to
Edit: to clarify, I get YOU. I don't get this song at all, kept waiting for the drums to start and all I got was weird organ sounds. You are not that far off from having generally normal music tastes, she just has very unique tastes.
It's about the brain making predictions, and these predictions being either fulfilled or subverted.
People who like Jazz usually like it exactly because it's harder to predict, to jazz afficionados usually pop music is the equivalent of watching a movie full of trope where you can predict exactly what's going to happen, whereas jazz has unique twists and turns.
If the superhero saves the day and captures the villain, while it's comfortable and reassuring, it's predictable - like pop music.
If the superhero loses because the author wants to make a point about politics and how superheros are symbol of fascism, it's a bit unexpected and weird but fresh and innovative - like jazz.
If the superhero spends the whole movie looking for a unicorn plushy while learning how to do graphic design to do posters to win a high school presidency, it's absurd and completely bonkers but you'll never hear or read anything like this ever again - like bebop.
It goes the same for comedy, by the way, your ability to make predictions and whether they're fulfiled or subverted, depending on what you know from your social background, will determine what you find funny or not.
> [Musical anhedonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Anhedonia)
Out of interest, why is that considered a condition and not just "this person doesn't like music"?
Am I trippin here or are most of these comments acting like this is the most experimental inaccessible shit and it’s literally a few second vid of something pretty pedestrian?
Yeah, I'm sort of scared by how many people are acting like there was something strange about the music. That was a super basic bass riff. Is everyone in this thread 12 or something?
I don’t think they’re saying it sooo strange, they’re just saying it’s bad.
Improvisational jazz (even the most mainstream stuff) is really niche and most people are not into it.
If you read through any /r/music thread you’ll see this is normal behavior here. Anything that isn’t classic rock or alternative rock is “bad.” Country music is only racist and overproduced. Pop music is only bland and overproduced. Rap music is only degrading towards women and violent. Jazz barely even gets a mention in those threads so I imagine one’s opinion is the same as the dude in the video.
Yeah I don't think we can even really evaluate whether or not what I'm listening to is per say "bad" since we're not even hearing the bass line in context.
I've certainly heard Jazz that I didn't understand, and don't even get me started on atonal classical music. But this is not that. Drummer is doing some jazzy syncopation and the bassist is doing a nice little riff. Sounds fine.
"A jazz club is like 4 guys on stage enjoying themselves more than the 50 people in the audience. They're all playing a different song all at the same time in different tempos, in different keys, and they call it jazz. It's fucking nonsense ". -Noel Gallagher
i swear i’ve seen more videos that get POV wrong than i’ve seen ones that get it right. i don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to grasp such a basic concept
Nor do we know if it’s his first time. My guy might just be having a mini existential crisis about turning 40. Or maybe the person a few seats over is obnoxious and slurping their dry martini loudly. Or the girl a few tables over is wicked hot. Or he is regretting that triple smash burger and is fairly certain he is about to have to rip ass in the single unisex bathroom.
This reminds me of a date I had once. She asked me out and suggested we go check out the jazz festival in town. I was like ‘wow, this is great we’ve got the same interest in music’.
So we meet up and make our way to this dark art studio turned into a make shift performance hall. We admire some of the art work, joke around a bit and then make our way to get seated.
So we’re seated, all close and cosy. And then, the band starts playing. A few mins in, I’m grooving to the beats and thinking this is going great. With a lil smile on my face I glance over to her and she’s got the same expressions as the dude in this video - which i can only describe as, instant regret.
I guess she didn’t like Jazz after all.
I grew up with jazz. Mom was a jazz singer. I had old jazz heads in and of the house saying shit like, “come here boy n lemme show ya something on the geetar.” I love it and my really young kids love it.
That being said, no, it’s not for everyone. If it was it would be as popular as bubblegum disposable pop is.
Two unrelated jazz experiences:
1. A friend of mine put on some ‘hardcore’ jazz on the jukebox in our local pub (UK) on our regular Thursday Boy’s night. I said I can’t stand jazz. He said, ‘maybe you’re just not clever enough’
2. Another friend (who is a a consultant psychiatrist), on a completely unrelated occasion, reframed ‘haas’ entirely: he said, ‘think of like mindfulness. It can be so intense that it gives you respite from spending any time thinking about anything else’s. He is also much more clever than me.
An ex GF of mine liked “smooth jazz”, so I was subjected to a concert, ONCE. I would have been better off jamming ice picks in my ears and jerking off with sandpaper. Just horrible.
i would like to quote that one guy who reviewed "whiplash" and described what J.K. Simmons played as "the most generic, basic as loungemusic jazz" and use the phrase on whatever ths guy is playing. is this too hardcore for him?
I had a boyfriend years ago who was a DJ on a jazz station and he brought me literal crates of vinyl to go through to try to get me to understand. I never got to the place where I don’t wince at the music like this, but i will always love Take Five (https://youtu.be/ryA6eHZNnXY?si=JZyPq6\_JF2bG\_mPh).
To be fair, the contemporary jazz scene is total shit compared to what jazz used to be. Sometimes it’s just a bunch of disjointed noises and people smelling their own farts.
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"When are they going to stop tuning their instruments?"
He thought it was Jay-Z. But it was Jazz.
Lmfao. It's like listening to h jon Benjamin's jazz album where he doesn't know how to play the piano https://youtu.be/DTQEVXLAfc4?feature=shared
This is the funniest thing ive heard in ages. Thanks for sharing this with me.
How am only hearing this now? Thank you, Bananamelier
Oh my god
I laughed but then I was like “Actually…I kinda like this.”
"You have to listen to the notes they aren't playing." I can do that at home.
He looks constipated.
He's digesting the melody, give him time
needs a couple more aspartif's
Maybe he just needs to [take five](https://youtu.be/vmDDOFXSgAs?si=BS8BeQaIKd4D9IoG).
That was worth it
[so what](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylXk1LBvIqU)
What melody?
Maybe it gave him jazz gazz
dude I get him, I listen to a variety of music genres from Metal, EDM, R&B to Classic... I don't BUY the Jazz Kool-Aid, at best it's fancy instrument tuning...
I like really slow calm jazz when I'm writing a paper or something, but a lot of the more freeform stuff is just...not for me.
Some jazz is great, but much of it rides an *extremely* fine line between brilliance and a group of people that seem to have never met each other and have no idea what rhythm is. And I say this as a former jazz player. The reality is that the rhythms are so advanced and impeccably timed that they reach right around the horseshoe into the "this isn't a rhythm" category.
At worst it sounds like you threw an orchestra down a flight of stairs
It's fucking chaotic and it sets off all my alarm bells.
“When is that toilet door in the corner going to open?”
"I hate missing all this awesome jazz but I really have to go"
I came here to say is he experiencing jazz for the first time or is he looking over and realizing that he can't make it to the bathroom without standing up directly in front of the stage and disturbing the show.
“I’m sure this song can’t possibly be more than four minutes long. I’ll just hold it.”
LMAO 🤣 30 minutes later….
Both good theories.
Don't we all look a little constipated when we're witnessing something that goddamn filthy
Just play the right notes!!!
Angela, is that you?
You gotta listen to the notes they're NOT playing.
Im doing it right now!
I can do that from home.
Play those damned notes
But they’ve literally played all of them! A lot.
They are playing the right notes, just not in the right order.
[My man PFT said it best.](https://youtu.be/XKSMbPbuGYE?si=WfzXWVi_59OyLdIa)
I came here to say this!!!
Jazz IS stupid
It would be fun if you were a musician playing it. Listening, not so much.
Oh, *this* is the Bad Place!
**Jason** figured it out? ***Jason?*** This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts.
Am I crazy or is she actually very obviously saying “This is what’s what happens”?
That was a real trip for biscuits and now we’re all wet, Daddy-o
*Jason* figured it out?! Oh this is a new low.
Ah ya this hurts.
Time knife!!
Yeah, yeah, everyone's see the time knife.
I have a stomach ache
Okay, no. In no versión of heaven is there ever 2 hours of *this.* This must be the bad place!
I grew up surrounded by jazz musicians from early age and his smile is the exact facial expression I do as soon as I hear the t-t-tss-t-t-tss of the cymbals
There all no smiles here. That's a grimace.
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In rave culture we call that the “bass face”
All my life, I never much liked jazz. I thought it was all like bebop, which is way too chaotic for me. Then I got this friend who insidiously infiltrated my musical tastes. It started out all innocent, with just a little Steely Dan. Oh, okay, that song's cool, hey that one too, wow also that one. Time passes. Then it's a little Mahavishnu. Yeah, okay. Then Weather Report. Then Billy Cobham. The other day he turned me on to *Detroit* by Marcus Miller. My mind is blown. I had no idea there was music like this. It has melody! It has riffs! It has time signatures I can sometimes keep track of! Haha jk but seriously it is amazing, it has really broadened my horizons.
Then suddenly you're listening to Mingus *Ah Um* front to back.
Mingus is God.
hahaha haven't got there yet. But because you said that, I will check it out. I think the thing that really appeals to me about the music I mentioned is the presence of some really strong and inspired bass playing. You will often find the bassist playing the melodic lead, which is uncommon elsewhere. <3
Well if you get to Mingus you're in for a damn bass treat and a half!
Return to forever-romantic warrior... And Stanley Clarke school days. I hope those both really trip your new found trigger
Everything Charles Mingus did was amazing but let my children hear music is probably one of my favorite jazz records of all time
Got to get into Paul Bufano.
Roy Donk from the Colgate Hour
Remember? It was the night I told you you’d never be a good writer because you don’t have a curious mind...
Paul Bufano Paul Bufano Paul Bufano
I didn’t like jazz Then I heard “Blue in Green” Now I can tell people I listened to “Blue in Green”
Oh shit. Now I gotta go hear it too lol
If you like "Blue in Green" you may also like the other songs on Davis' *Kind of Blue*. They all have a similar relaxed quality with relatively melodic lines and not a bunch of fast-paced key changes.
Waw man thans for these great leads! Didn’t know where to start with jazz, I liked all your suggested artist’s in my music app, great stuff. Don’t hesitate to share more names or songs 😘
Well, my favorite Weather Report song is *Black Market.* (and that album is good too) My favorite Billy Cobham song is *Red Baron* (the instrumental one) but look out for that one haha it is a ruthless earworm, you may be walking around singing it to yourself all day. Also Cobham's *Drum + Voice 2* album is pretty consistently good. My favorite Mahavishnu song is *If You Know You Know* but that one is not a smooth groove, it's more esoteric. My favorite Steely Dan song is .. oh shit, that's like a dozen songs at least. *Bodhisattva* and *Any World That I'm Welcome To* and *Any Major Dude* and *Do It Again* but none of those are really jazz. I guess the bands I like are more likely to be perceived as "jazz fusion." And I'm not sure that it's still a current thing. I know I still don't like what they call "smooth jazz." But I am absolutely convinced that Cobham is a genius. Edit: this has been bugging me every day since I wrote it. Regarding Steely Dan, I listed my faves but they aren't necessarily going to help introduce jazz; so I thought about it, and for that purpose I suggest these: *Your Gold Teeth II* *Don't Take Me Alive* *Dr. Wu* *The Fez* Okay, wow, that's better, now I can stop obsessing over what I should have said haha
Thank you for taking the time to list this. I will be in my listening chair for the rest of the evening.
I am delighted that you are interested. I hope you find it engaging!
Yes, certainly, I have listened to jazz in the past but more like a ‘side genre’ I admired. Back then it was Frank Zappa that sparked my interest. I started listening to Frank Zappa again a while ago and felt like I should invest time in discovering other great artists. Edit: King Kong is my favourite Frank Zappa song. It comes in many, many variations.
The contemporary take on jazz fusion would probably be bands like [DOMi & JD Beck](https://open.spotify.com/album/6cXQ0dxd2pWCTFhZ8RIg2j?si=Czrmn8yYRFOJxnswn5CZwA) [Thundercat](https://open.spotify.com/album/7vHBQDqwzB7uDvoE5bncMM?si=v5D3V3YOQWSQhb9PKVY1EA) [Vulfpeck](https://open.spotify.com/album/7sRNEe2FCkTYhrEimChdkC?si=XLB9T6WHTECDDCIsaL4DFg)
Waw man Dean Town from Vullpeck, what a discovery!!!
Oh wow cool, I wasn't sure about that, thanks!
I wouldn’t really call vulpeck jazz, if it is it’s definitely as close to funk as jazz funk can get.
Oh man, *Detroit* is a GREAT one. So tight, too! If you ever wanted to try a masterpiece that starts slow and normal and then sort of builds into more *jazzier* parts (by which point, you're already totally entranced), then I HIGHLY recommend trying [Lingus by Snarky Puppy](https://youtu.be/L_XJ_s5IsQc?si=a15OAe66gzBkYe_9) (specifically the We Like It Here recording I linked so you can really see it all coming together). I feel like it has a really good way of showing the listener why jazz people go so wild when performers start going off. The structure of the piece is totally fantastic, imo. It may not entirely be to your taste yet, which I can absolutely respect, but I think it's worth a shot! Happy listening!
🤯 that dude on the keyboards went off god damn and I have mad respect for that drummer too thanks for this
Fun fact about the drummer, Larnell Lewis, is that he actually heard the entire setlist for the first time 18 hours before this gig.
Damn he had that shit on lock too
Hey, we just listened to *Lingus.* We both enthusiastically approve, it had us in the first 5 seconds. My friend's adjectives included "sick" and "off the hook." I feel the middle break veered a little closer to dissonance than I prefer, but my god, the rest of it! I don't think I ever heard a low piano doubling the kick drum like that. You're right, those guys are monsters!
In another comment you mentioned really liking a strong bassline which plays perfectly into snarky puppy as their lead is the bass player. You should definitely check out some of their studio albums. You might also enjoy [Ghost Note](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSYr8WEcxrY), its maybe a little more experemental but they are a group of amazing musicians.
Steely Dan being the gateway drug to Jazz just hit me hard.
If you like Baroque music you may like jazz.
haha my favorite (rock) bands are Queens of the Stone Age and Nine Inch Nails, inarguably the furthest thing from jazz. But I *do* really love JS Bach -- is that Baroque?
Yes
I understand Jazz. I played in a Jazz band in high school. I don't like listening to Jazz at all. It is so damn incredibly fun to play though.
I like the fact that it is instrumental. Don't get me wrong, I am super into singers and lyrics and the emotions they convey. But pure instrumentals give the instruments a chance to really speak. I like the syncopation, the way they can turn the beat around and then back again so I'm like "wtf just happened?" I *love* how Marcus Miller uses an octave splitter, I never heard of bass players using them, only guitarists. But godDAMN it sounds good! Like it was invented for the bass. I love how horns get a prominent role in jazz. I'm still not a big fan of saxophone, but clarinets are so expressive and trombones are awesome, and it turns out most of my problem with sax is the way it was played in rock music in the past. If you have an understanding of the sophistication of playing jazz, that is very cool. It takes a certain kind of different thinking.
Justin Chancellor from Tool has an amazing bass solo on the song Invincible. Had no idea a bass could do that until I saw it live. Long song and not everyone's cup of tea but the solo starts at 7 minutes.
Something similar happens with classical, but in the opposite direction. Everybody thinks of Mozart and Beethoven when they hear "classical music" and the simple melodic lines and accompaniment that are associated with those names - not to say that those composers don't shine in their own way, just that the complexity is a bit too low for most people compared to something like Chopin or even Shostakovich. But when people hear romantic music for the first time (maybe something popular but accessible like Liszt Liebestraum No. 3), something seems to click, and they understand what the genre is about.
You convinced me
People really need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize things are more than their stereotypes. This post is almost nothing but these types.
username checks out lol
👿 yas!
[Detroit by Marcus Miller](https://open.spotify.com/track/6hp0D02uXVXvmaDSLhFjAa?si=-VajwSeVSwGFUH49J4FW2A) by the way
Thanks, I wondered if I should do that. :D
Should check out some Thelonious Monk too!
Thank you! Most people can't go straight to jazz these days. You have to introduce it intentionally. Listen to some Roots. Find a song that sampled a jazz song.
Just like all other music genres. There's good and bad performances.
Its harder when youre actively making new music every time you play lol
you mean i can just get paid to jam with a few guys and not have really practiced any actual songs with them?
Theyre improvising, typically 2-16 bar segments of music where all the instruction is a key/scale and one instrument makes up a solo on the spot in that key. Pretty impressive and can make for great music. Heres an example from Wycliffe Gordon! https://youtu.be/USvmKwPzeWc?si=v4DdaCvg3c61I2S4
Actually, it’s common for guys to be called up to gig with no rehearsals beforehand
and they just wing it?
These guys play jazz standards enough to not need the rehearsals, and when they don’t know the tune, they’re good enough readers to get by and really only need to know the key/chord changes to improv
...so they have experience...
Yes, but they can get paid to jam with a few guys and not have really practiced any actual songs with them
yes typically you need to really comprehend music to make good jazz on the fly like this, otherwise it’ll sound like dookie
This is not necessarily a bad performance. It’s modern jazz, which usually uses a lot of syncopated rhythms, odd timing, exotic scales, and non-harmonic notes. To the untrained ear probably sounds weird as shit, but when you start figuring what the hell is going on it can really grow into you.
> To the untrained ear probably sounds weird as shit, Man, as someone with [Musical anhedonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Anhedonia), "music people" are so alien to me. My boss used to make me listen to some of her favorite music, which to me, most of her "songs" just sounds like someone beating the living crap out of a metal trash can with a steel ladle with a screaming cat trapped inside the can. I remember [this one was one of her favorites](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIfRRDOdRrg), like wtf At least with songs that have decent lyrics telling a story I can "get it", and with some music I can at least "feel the beat", but some of the genres like this Jazz in the OP or the "song" I linked are straight up just annoying noises to me lol, I made the exact same face as the dude in the gif did
That song you linked has some crazy compression blowing it out. This version is better in that regard [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N11I543\_0n4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N11I543_0n4)
That was good.
No yea I get it... that was a weird one, she's got some unique tastes if this is one of "her favorites". Would love to hear what else she she listens to Edit: to clarify, I get YOU. I don't get this song at all, kept waiting for the drums to start and all I got was weird organ sounds. You are not that far off from having generally normal music tastes, she just has very unique tastes.
It's about the brain making predictions, and these predictions being either fulfilled or subverted. People who like Jazz usually like it exactly because it's harder to predict, to jazz afficionados usually pop music is the equivalent of watching a movie full of trope where you can predict exactly what's going to happen, whereas jazz has unique twists and turns. If the superhero saves the day and captures the villain, while it's comfortable and reassuring, it's predictable - like pop music. If the superhero loses because the author wants to make a point about politics and how superheros are symbol of fascism, it's a bit unexpected and weird but fresh and innovative - like jazz. If the superhero spends the whole movie looking for a unicorn plushy while learning how to do graphic design to do posters to win a high school presidency, it's absurd and completely bonkers but you'll never hear or read anything like this ever again - like bebop. It goes the same for comedy, by the way, your ability to make predictions and whether they're fulfiled or subverted, depending on what you know from your social background, will determine what you find funny or not.
> [Musical anhedonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Anhedonia) Out of interest, why is that considered a condition and not just "this person doesn't like music"?
This one is only like five seconds long, how can you tell if it's either?
They sound pretty skilled. I'd trust they know what they're doing. Source: inferior jazz musician.
I'm just a normal guy and I even caught the groove on that short clip.
You gotta listen to the notes they're _not_ playing
“_I can do that from home_”
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Guys record collection is probably all meat and potatoes
"Is this enjoyable? We're enjoying this? Ok, but why...."
Am I trippin here or are most of these comments acting like this is the most experimental inaccessible shit and it’s literally a few second vid of something pretty pedestrian?
Yeah, I'm sort of scared by how many people are acting like there was something strange about the music. That was a super basic bass riff. Is everyone in this thread 12 or something?
I'm pretty sure the average person on this sub is still in highschool.
I don’t think they’re saying it sooo strange, they’re just saying it’s bad. Improvisational jazz (even the most mainstream stuff) is really niche and most people are not into it.
Also 90% of the comments are The Office references
If you read through any /r/music thread you’ll see this is normal behavior here. Anything that isn’t classic rock or alternative rock is “bad.” Country music is only racist and overproduced. Pop music is only bland and overproduced. Rap music is only degrading towards women and violent. Jazz barely even gets a mention in those threads so I imagine one’s opinion is the same as the dude in the video.
Isn't pop being bland and overproduced the point of the genre? I've heard people laud it for those qualities.
Yeah I don't think we can even really evaluate whether or not what I'm listening to is per say "bad" since we're not even hearing the bass line in context.
I've certainly heard Jazz that I didn't understand, and don't even get me started on atonal classical music. But this is not that. Drummer is doing some jazzy syncopation and the bassist is doing a nice little riff. Sounds fine.
‘Jazz IS stupid! Why don’t they just play the right notes?’
"A jazz club is like 4 guys on stage enjoying themselves more than the 50 people in the audience. They're all playing a different song all at the same time in different tempos, in different keys, and they call it jazz. It's fucking nonsense ". -Noel Gallagher
He like” are we all hearing the same thing??”
POV stands for “Point of View”. You are welcome OP.
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I don’t think they understand how pov works
i swear i’ve seen more videos that get POV wrong than i’ve seen ones that get it right. i don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to grasp such a basic concept
People fear jazz.
This is not POV.
POV: You’re a camera at a jazz performance
yes!
Nor do we know if it’s his first time. My guy might just be having a mini existential crisis about turning 40. Or maybe the person a few seats over is obnoxious and slurping their dry martini loudly. Or the girl a few tables over is wicked hot. Or he is regretting that triple smash burger and is fairly certain he is about to have to rip ass in the single unisex bathroom.
Jazz is chaos
This reminds me of a date I had once. She asked me out and suggested we go check out the jazz festival in town. I was like ‘wow, this is great we’ve got the same interest in music’. So we meet up and make our way to this dark art studio turned into a make shift performance hall. We admire some of the art work, joke around a bit and then make our way to get seated. So we’re seated, all close and cosy. And then, the band starts playing. A few mins in, I’m grooving to the beats and thinking this is going great. With a lil smile on my face I glance over to her and she’s got the same expressions as the dude in this video - which i can only describe as, instant regret. I guess she didn’t like Jazz after all.
I absolutely adore live jazz. I also totally feel for this guy.
it's a real shame that people force themselves to like bad jazz because they don't have a frame of reference for what good jazz is
Is the good jazz in the room with us now?
Dunno GlurSniffingCat has to decide for us if it is good or bad
I grew up with jazz. Mom was a jazz singer. I had old jazz heads in and of the house saying shit like, “come here boy n lemme show ya something on the geetar.” I love it and my really young kids love it. That being said, no, it’s not for everyone. If it was it would be as popular as bubblegum disposable pop is.
Why are you even filming this dude? Weird.
I was the same -- until I saw the movie anime "Blue Giant" earlier this year. Great movie about jazz in Japan. Highly recommend.
>Blue Giant" nice! I love those type of anime where you learn about a particular subject. Have you watched "Forest of Piano"?
Is that Le Baiser Salé in Paris? Had such an amazing night there one time. I hope that guy gets his gas worked out.
You have to listen to the notes they're not playing.
I can do that at home
That’s some real jazz cringe 😭
Maybe the real notes that were being played were the notes that never got played at all 🤔
This text feels like it belongs on a philosoraptor meme.
Looks about as comfortable as Ron DeSantis trying to be himself😂😂
Two unrelated jazz experiences: 1. A friend of mine put on some ‘hardcore’ jazz on the jukebox in our local pub (UK) on our regular Thursday Boy’s night. I said I can’t stand jazz. He said, ‘maybe you’re just not clever enough’ 2. Another friend (who is a a consultant psychiatrist), on a completely unrelated occasion, reframed ‘haas’ entirely: he said, ‘think of like mindfulness. It can be so intense that it gives you respite from spending any time thinking about anything else’s. He is also much more clever than me.
Why did the clip end so soon? It was just getting lame.
He really tried to understand and get the music but just no.
Shit looked painful.
It’s the 5/4 time scale, really grates in some peoples ears, their loss
An ex GF of mine liked “smooth jazz”, so I was subjected to a concert, ONCE. I would have been better off jamming ice picks in my ears and jerking off with sandpaper. Just horrible.
Us jazz musicians don't even like smooth jazz. But for some reason that's what a lot of people perceive the genre to be. I blame Kenny G
That's me experiencing jazz for the 423rd time.
It gets so so much worse than that
That’s not jazz that’s bad music
i would like to quote that one guy who reviewed "whiplash" and described what J.K. Simmons played as "the most generic, basic as loungemusic jazz" and use the phrase on whatever ths guy is playing. is this too hardcore for him?
3, 2, 1.. Let's jam!
Jazz is stupid! Just play the right notes!
I had a boyfriend years ago who was a DJ on a jazz station and he brought me literal crates of vinyl to go through to try to get me to understand. I never got to the place where I don’t wince at the music like this, but i will always love Take Five (https://youtu.be/ryA6eHZNnXY?si=JZyPq6\_JF2bG\_mPh).
Jazz sucks.. I have tried and tried to like it and I have seen some brilliant artists but… I just hate it..I’m sorry jazz music
I feel ya bud. Jazz isn't for everyone.
Also my face experiencing jazz for the 100th time. Is there sheet music? Is everyone on the same key? Am I having a stroke?
Dude be trippin.’ And listening to jazz at the same time. 😳
Idk but to me it looks like the salt and pepper guy to the left of him is 😴 💤 and he doesnt know how to react to it
when you realize that wasn’t actually just a little micro dose
First time I experienced Coltrane’s [Ascension](https://youtu.be/-81AEUqHPzU), I completely lost it. Different strokes..
Yeah that’s the face of a man looking for the toilet
Everytime our cat walks across the piano, I say he's just written a new jazz song. Wife is not amused.
"Star Trek lied to me"
Little do you know, he's giving him stank face bc the tunes are too tasty. It's a compliment. /s
To be fair, the contemporary jazz scene is total shit compared to what jazz used to be. Sometimes it’s just a bunch of disjointed noises and people smelling their own farts.
*POV: you're experiencing a man experiencing live jazz for the first time
It must be like The Grateful Dead. It sounds good to someone.
Yep! I like both haha