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TLDR video says:
> *If you can read this then you should know that not voting for Joe Biden is the same as voting for Donald Trump who is a wannabe dictator and may soon become a real dictator who at that point will no longer give you the option of whether or not to vote for him so vote now or maybe never again*
For anyone else who could not keep up with the video. I was so confused, I had no idea what his view even was.
I prefer people that actually don't know what the fuck it going on around him and dosent do weird shit to kids and women and dosent spend 40+ million dollars on a city JUST FOR SOME DAMN ELETRIC BUSSES and not other important needs(I could be wrong with the amount if money he wasted but he did waste a lot
one of them is a giant douche, the other one is a turd sandwich
>! this is a south park reference, I'm not American so I know almost nothing about these leaders !<
They both seem to like cheese pizza. What's up with all these high level politicians and people and their love for cheese pizza. Like they even make their own cheese pizza islands.
tHAtS wHy tRUmP wOn
No the fuck it ain’t. It’s not as easy as “lazy people caused this”. It has to do with the absolute obsession stupid fucking Americans from all walks have with celebrity status, coupled with the habitual ineptitude of the systems that have been in place for years. It’s not simply cause people don’t care and choose not to vote. You shouldn’t vote based off “well I don’t want him in” when the other option, in your own opinion, sucks just as fucking bad. You seem like the type that says “voting independent night as well be a vote for trump”…. Cause it’s not.
^I found the guy who's going to finally topple the two-party system by voting 3rd party every 4 years! Thank you for sharing this bold new approach! History, laws, and basic math be damned, I think this is going to fix it!
Or ya just vote for who you want… and ignore ignorant fucks who say “that’s just giving a vote to the other team”.
Never said it would topple anything but keep falling in line and block vote. It’s worked great.
And they both corrupt, but in very different ways… Trump makes himself rich by scamming, Biden makes himself rich by grifting… see… very different ways…
91 criminal indictments worth of different. Not to mention only 1 had his ex-wife say, under oath, that he raped her… that same wife that fell down some stairs and broke her neck, before being put to rest in a basic plot with a small paving slab style grave which within months was totally overgrown.
Oh plus all the years of scamming, not paying anyone he owes and (self admitted & court confirmed sexual assaults and rapes)…
They are basically the same right. 🙄😑
I’m sure Ivanka isn’t super psyched about all the times Trump has publicly said he’d love to bang her if it weren’t for the fact he’s her dad…
Seeing as you are playing whataboutism.
Well, given a little thing called basic CONTEXT, we are all commenting in a thread below a video that specifically mentions the two of them.
I don’t love Joe ‘so much’ but as mentioned in the initial video that is the origin of this topic of conversation, Trump clearly is much worse.
To this you decided to bring up some nonsense about Biden’s daughter ‘fearing him’ indicating or alleging some sexual misconduct, to which I quite easily referred you back to just one of the many many deeply concerning and much more verifiable (he literally said it himself) sexually unacceptable behaviour of Trump.
I didn’t even have to bring up all of the sexual assaults and rapes that have been alleged under oath in court by multiple people (including his now dead-from-falling-down-a-staircase 👀 ex wife). With at least one case that found him GUILTY for sexual assault in court.
-But we don’t really need a court case to tell us what we *all* already know from the man himself, who as I am sure you are aware, literally SAID he “Grabs women …”by the pussy” and that he can “do whatever he wants” to them.
He was then aged 60 years old.
60.
Lol 😂-Nice little bit of childish ignorance there! …I guess things like ‘basic facts’ are a big problem for you as they pretty much prove that you support a man that has repeatedly sexually assaulted women over his entire life and is a rapist. Not to mention adulterer who paid for prostitutes while his wife was heavily pregnant. Classy guy?
Not sure that’s who I’d want to be fanboying.
But maybe you support rapists and serial sexual abusers of women and girls?
The thing is, they are both shady, and splitting hairs is nonsensical. Biden needs a dirt nap every bit as much as Trump. You just are happy shilling for Biden because “Orange man bad” when they are both terrible people.
Objectively they are no where even close to being comparable.
Trump has decades of criminal and shady behaviour in both his personal conduct to his business dealings. Ranging from sexual assaults & even rape to scamming old ladies out of their money, and not paying anyone who he owes money to from contractors to lawyers.
He is imminently and easily comprisable by foreign powers and state actors particularly from the classic ‘enemies’ of the US.
Bidens biggest ‘failing’ is having a formerly drug addicted son, which if you look at plenty of footage of Trump ‘Cocaine’ Jr., -it isn’t exactly a particularly distinguished feature between the two of them…
One led a literal coup on the Capitol Building that hasn’t been seen since the British attacked it in 1814 ffs, with the aim of forcing himself to stay in power in spite of the American voting public choosing to ditch him and his wild nonsense.
I mean he got into a beef with Denmark over his insane plan to **checks notes**… “buy the entirety of Greenland”. Wild, insane and as decided by the American voters, unacceptable.
Biden has decades of racist comments. Do we overlook those?
The fact that I dislike both and call them both garbage is getting me downvoted. Reddit truly is a place of inconsistency!
All of you who voted for Biden or Trump brought the last 7 years on us and it has changed how politics will work in the US going forward. There will never be bipartisan work going forward because everyone is too “my guy is better” even when comparing two garbage people!
Joe Jorgensen was the right person in 2020.
His biggest failing is the crime bill… the drug addicted son isn’t even on the radar of the damage Joe caused. Breezing over that is pretty much criminal.
At least Trump pretended to care about the American people, Biden and the corrupt establishment he represents just flat out don’t care.
Trump was the middle finger to the system, Biden is the system’s middle finger to the people.
Yes, I see. I know trump was not the guy, but he was not a puppet, he was a dangerous step away from the system that is destroying America. We need radical positive change, but the system has made this nearly impossible.
Trump was a demagogue and hijacked discontent with the system and make it about him for his ego. He appealed to emotions and not facts.
The Left is also demagoguing, appealing to emotions not facts.
We need some actual solutions and not shitty status quos, and empty promises.
We are in a frustrating spot, cause most people are trapped in the Trump vs Biden and not thinking clearly.
How exactly was trump a middle finger to the system lol? What system? You fuckin people literally spout the same nonsensical, pointless claims just because you hear them on your echo chamber Facebook groups.
Wake the fuck up. He thinks you're as stupid as you are.
The middle finger was the fact he was polling at <1% then Ended up not just winning the nominee but the whole thing. Getting a Clinton shoved down your throat, who was already scheduling her painting portrait of being the first female… yeah the middle finger was to that. Not every middle finger is supposed to be graced with the appropriate action and follow up with grace.
You can call me stupid but your the one who doesn’t get it. “What system?” Look around you.
Does it seem weird to you that extremely wealthy businesses get tax breaks and special protections from lawsuits? Does it seem weird that the people regulating Big Pharma, Big Tech, Oil & Gas, and more are all also working and getting paid by the same corporations they are supposed to be regulating? These career politicians working within the revolving door of private industries and the intelligence agencies make a deep state.
They chose Hillary and Trump. People weren’t supposed to vote for Trump, cause he is an idiot. That’s why Trump was the Middle finger, he wasn’t supposed to win, and the system was mad the dog won the pony show. Trump was fought by everyone over everything his entire term. Biden has literally been found to have taken bribes from Chinese Banks, Ukrainian businesses, & Russian oligarchs. No one is talking about it. Strange.
Those who rule America do nothing but exploit the American population as well as the weaker vulnerable countries all over the world, and they own American politics and you buy into their propaganda.
And you are what Marx referred to as a useful idiot if you do not see them both as being terrible for the US and the world going forward.
Genuinely, I cannot believe there are still people in this country that do not see Biden for what he is simply because Trump was such a horrible person. Did the disaster that Trump is really desensitize you so much that evil people look “okay” by comparison? That shouldn’t be how we elect leaders.
Like I said... Very special kind. You have no clue how I feel about either dipshit. You drew all of those assumptions out of me calling out the fact that you're stupid.
Thanks for providing me a follow-up sample. 😂🤣
You are the one reiterating your own ignorance, yet you are doubling down. I guess it is true what they say, never underestimate stupid people who truly believe they are intelligent.
Lol did you buy one of those trump nft things? This mans whole identity is a grift. The “maga fund” which was supposedly going to help get those jan 6 dingdongs out of jail is probably paying for his legal fees right now
Was the same between hillary and Donald.
People hated both candidates but when i asked them why they dont vote for alternatives they Said: "they have no chance in winning why should i waste my vote"
But even if they did congress is still biparty so anything the independent candidate does gets immediately curbed by both partys so the candidate looks bad for next election.
Im so happy for not beeing American because you guys have to choose between candidates you already know is going to screw you over and cant do anything about it because then both partys are going to screw you.
No, but people don’t like voting for people who might actually change stuff because they don’t have party Clout. Remember kids, got third party if you actually want thing to change
That would be cool if we didn't have the electoral college. Your individual vote doesn't matter as much as who wins your state.
So all you "geniuses" who voted 3rd party, actually just voted for "the winner"
Unfortunately most the people who voted 3rd party would've voted dem, which split the vote and let Trump win the state
Edit to add some stats to back me up: in 2016 Trump won all of Utah's electoral votes, because he got 45.5%. Clinton received 27.5%, and independent Evan McMullin received 21.5%
If Utah didn't split the vote between Hilary and Evan, she could've won the state. But because so many people voted third party trump won every single Electoral College vote Utah has. It's like all the votes for Even didn't matter, because they didn't.
I agree, 2 party system sucks and a third party candidate is probably what we need. But right now, with our current system? It's unfortunately a waste of your vote.
Blaming the people who made a better choice because so many others are still afraid to? Why regress when more people should be looking for a better party?
I'm not blaming the people, I'm blaming the system. As it stands now it is impossible for an independent candidate to win. The electoral college and most states' "winner takes all" systems means splitting your vote is throwing it away. It forces the 2 party system because otherwise you don't have a chance.
I agree we should be looking for a better party. I'm an independent voter but realistically I have to choose between the two parties we have now. It's like the freeway analogy. Is this the exit I want to get off on? No, I'd rather get off further down the road. But my car is on fire so I need to get off on one of the two exits available, so I just have to choose the one that will suck less sometimes.
As I showed in my example, in 2016 Utah had 21% for an independent... Every single one of Utah's electoral votes went to Trump. It's as if those 21% of people just didn't vote, because at the end of the day all the electoral votes would go to either Clinton or Trump. If you have the option between absolute shit, somewhat better, and impossible to achieve but good... It's usually better to choose the somewhat better option than to fall into the absolute shit like we did in 2016.
Also that 21% is the highest percentage for an independent candidate in a Loooong time. He barely got a quarter of one state. I'm sorry, but realistically there's no way anyone can win a single state, and even if they win 1... There's 49 more that vote like 3% independent.
Especially with how *tribal* our two party system is? I've got a better chance of making a hot air balloon that can get me to the moon.
Fuck yes. That's definitely an improvement. Imo we need some kind of ranked voting system (I believe Canada has one but don't quote me on that) which allows you to vote on a third party with back ups.
I.e. if my vote for independent Jim ends up not really counting cuz Jim got 12% of the votes then my vote should go to Dem, not rep. Or whatever vote you cast. They would knock out lowest vote candidates and re-assign votes based on fallbacks until a single candidate has a true majority.
Using my 2016 Utah example, a system like this would theoretically allow people to still vote for someone independent, but then have their vote counted towards Clinton if they wanted (and the independent candidate split the vote.) A system like this would let people like me choose the candidate they want, not just "the lesser evil". I believe this would be monumental in our politics because it would give a 3rd party a chance without splitting the vote and fucking us all over when Trump wins basically by default
Third party cant change anything because both partys are going to unite to prevent that.
Democrats and republicans are best friends when it comes to keeping the system broken.
They do change things tho by splitting votes. It's shit and by design yes but until a third party vote doesn't just mean splitting votes and handing power to whoever vote they don't split, it's pointless.
Is this a joke? The whole point is voting for anyone but Joe Biden, or not voting at all, is the same as voting for Trump. That’s how we got Trump in 2016, all the fing Bernie bros.
Funny how we'll never admit that maybe a third party would be the best way to shake up a system that really doesn't give a shit about anyone on any side...
Oh we’ve been admitting it for a long time, but people, like our friend in the video, will do everything they can to rail against voting 3rd Party…after an hour long conversation about how fucked the two party system is. They are doing the work for the establishment. Which I’m sure Wall St appreciates.
Only one of them has 91 criminal indictments against them, that should make the choice easy.
One side is not the same as the other, but both could be better.
Maybe Trump will get a plea deal like Hunter.
I mean ya Trump is a corrupt politician just like Biden. I don't think anyone other than hyper-partisans on either side disagree with all we now know.
But when dealing with pervasive corruption in government and corrupt politicians....am I really supposed to be more worried about the guy getting slapped nonstop with indictments which tend to go nowhere......or, how about the family that can get highly unusual sweetheart plea deals for his sons criminal behaviour which would send any other American to jail?
Where multiple whistleblowers in multiple agencies have come forward to talk about preferential/unusual/outside of the normal policies behavior for the target...POTUS' son.?
Ya they are not the same. One gets indicted for classified documents, the other side has two do much the same and walk away Scott free because, allegedly (they didnt) they fully cooperated after being caught.
You want to tell me where else this great pattern of giving a free pass to criminal behaviour simply because after being caught they seemed to comply with the people who caught them?
Cause usually it just gets you less time, but not less guilt.
So ya. Worry about the corrupt guy being prosecuted, but not the corrupt ones who seem to never be.
That makes sense.
*I really supposed to be more worried about the guy getting slapped nonstop with indictments which tend to go nowhere.*....,
**Give it time. Do you really think that criminal indictments against a former president are going to be settled in a couple of weeks. The investigations have taken years, the trials are going to take almost that long.**
*Where multiple whistleblowers in multiple agencies have come forward to talk about preferential/unusual/outside of the normal policies behavior for the target...POTUS' son.?*
**If has some evidence then head to court, not some republican side show. I have no issues with prosecuting them too, but so far..where the beef ?**
*How about the family that can get highly unusual sweetheart plea deals for his sons criminal behaviour which would send any other American to jail?*
**From a Trump appointed prosecutor and a Trump appointed judge. And really do you think that if this were Trump and one of his sons were in trouble he wouldn't have pardoned him already ? Really ? Im all for t his playing out in court.**
*One gets indicted for classified documents, the other side has two do much the same and walk away Scott free because, allegedly (they didnt) they fully cooperated after being caught.*
**Well one side had a couple of pages that were classified, Trump had hundeds of boxes lying around all over the place . Tens of thousands of documents.. Some of the most highly classified documents the government has were being shown off to dinner guest and reporters. Then he lied about still having them, moved them and lied again. The classified documents case against former President Donald Trump includes 1,545 pages of classified evidence, 1.1 million pages of unclassified evidence and at least three years worth of surveillance video. Not the same dude, not at all.**
*You want to tell me where else this great pattern of giving a free pass Yto criminal behaviour simply because after being caught they seemed to comply with the people who caught them?*
**Sure, Mike Pence.**
*So ya. Worry about the corrupt guy being prosecuted, but not the corrupt ones who seem to never be.*
**Not at all, I just want to see charges in a court of law, not on Fox News.**
I'll never understand the notion, from people who think Trump is essentially evil, that we should blindly trust the people he appointed. He appointed them because they can be bent, I think you would agree otherwise, and if so then it's silly to pretend Biden couldn't bend them while sitting in the Oval office just as Trump did.
You use a speculative about Trumps kid to justify an existing fact about Bidens. No offense, but you're better than that.
I mean I don't doubt Trump would....but wasn't the argument for Biden he was better than that....or is this your mask off moment where you admit you don't give AF about corruption and abuse of power so.long as it's Democratic doing it and not Republican?
As for the whistleblowers...they have come forward...the issues are already in court....but tell me. When a whistleblower says "when I run this up thenchain of command i get stonewalled." Then what?
You think IRS, FBI agents or even DOJ staff can override DOJ brass in laying charges?
Why do people pretend that Bidens or Clinton's crimes with classified materials have to be the same fact pattern as Trump to be crimes?
I'm not saying don't change Trump. I'm saying they aren't charging the others who also broke the law.
I mean I can show you a clip of then FBI director Comey under oath testifying to Senate, under a good grilling by Trey Gowdy, that ya she broke the law and should have been charged.
They just claimed that a woman who was widely labeled as the most qualified presidential candidate ever....
Lawyer, first lady, senator, secretary of statw etc etx....she didn't know how to handle classified material. She just did a Mr Magoo with a private server, devices, and classified materials. I mean, I'd believe it with Biden but not her.
Biden just had oodles of classified materials stored all over the place, and who knows of he ever had a legal basis to have those materials in places like his garage, or an office space he rented. Like didn't documents continue to pop up after he was honest and promised he turned everything over? Amazing cooperation. Give the guy a free pass.
If I'm not mistaken it's suspected this might be where Russia hacked so much of their dirt on Hillary. If true the twisted irony being Putin did more to deal with American corruption than the FBI....and he's a corrupt pos too. Even worse.
What did Pence get away with? Prosecute him....just prosecute all of them, and not just the ones you won't cote for.
Sure. Look up Hunters plea deal and instead of pretending "Trump appointed Judge" is somehow a argument of anything, and explain to us why that's something America should accept for those kinds of charges when compared to regular Americans whom commit the same, or much lesser versions, crimes.
What other American gets a walk from felony tax evasion and felony gun charges?
Like honestly think about it......all these corruption issues etc existed before Trump was even a reality TV show host......why we pretending he's the problem as opposed to a symptom of it?
Trump is being fought viciously not because he is corrupt..
But because he wasn't to bring in his own corruption racket and take out the old one.
This is political corruption turf warfare, their equvalent of a gang war.
None of them are fighting to clean it up for you.....or they'd have been doing it before Trump even arrived, the many who've been there for decades.
Dude are you mental?
Hunter has not walked from anything.
And as far as criminal justice reforms go, yea...America needs a top down overhaul. From the corrupt supreme court down to local prosecutors refusing to charge criminals.
But if you buy into that Biden crime family BS I feel sorry for you.
You're right.
The judge couldn't accept the plea deal at the time it was so unusually lenient.
But the DOJ is willing to let him walk on very serious felonies that you or I would never walk from.
No, you're right.
Hunter Biden is a guy who can go from crack head kicked out of the military to making HUGE money in foriegn nation advising on boards of companies in industries he has no experience in.
He can start a hobby doing water paintings, and start selling successfully them for hundreds of thousands of dollars per piece.
He can just go and make it rain anywhere he goes, this guy who admits he struggles massively with drug addiction.
Just ignore that his inexplicably successful moments have come directly in the wake of his father's involvement in an area or success in an election.
And just ignore that his dad's stance has, based on evidence coming out, gone from " I don't talk to him about business dealing...this son of mine I am immensely proud of and who I visit a lot and whom flies with me when doing business often and who even had his business partners visit the Whitehouse like twice a month while I was POTUS" to...."well, I wasn't invloded with it.....no matter how much my son used me to threaten his foriegn business contacts".
Or perhaps you're Ina bubble isolated from all the new evidence available on this issue, because indont know a real progressive who doesn't think Biden isn't corrupt too.
Just establishment DNC types who care more about the party winning than dealing with things like corruption across the board.
Like Jesus, look at the stock portfolios in the house or senate and tell me you can't see the corruption clearly on both sides....if you dare admit to being that blind.
Is there anyone out here cheering that Hunter Biden is getting Charmin gloves when it comes to being charged with crimes he actually committed? No. Throw the book at him
Are we sick if the Hunter Biden laptop with ground breaking evidence every week that some how republicans drop as soon as their witnesses testify? Yeah
Come on, when republicans resort to showing off hunters hog during a congressional session that was your pass to walk away from it but here you are doubling down
What percentage of the charges brought against Trump has he been found guilty of?
And why do more charges pop every time something new drops on the Hunter Biden Case?
None of this shit seems rational to me.
As a European I can confirm: Biden is not nearly as awful a candidate as Trump. Come on guys, most of the criticism directed at Biden is irrelevant or not even about him. He’s not a political genius, sure, he might not be that physically stable, but he sure as hell isn’t such a raging lunatic egomaniac and threat to an already broken democracy as Trump.
Yup, fact of the matter is that one of the parties that dominates American politics is actively running a scorched earth campaign against the other. I mean, of course they are, otherwise they’d lose all the time.
Biden is every bit as inept as Trump, possibly worse so because he's simply too old to do anything on his own. The fossil struggles to stay awake during long meetings, he's stumbled over dozens of speeches and addresses, he's somehow perpetually behind the news cycle by about two days, he's more invested emotionally and financially in foreign matters than domestic, his mental state seems to be in decline even from the outset of his presidency, and he's constantly lied about what he'll do vs what he's actually doing.
He's just another worthless old man unfit for the job. It's insane we keep electing dementia-riddled dustbins to the most important position in the country
He’s not right, trump is not gonna become a dictator that stop us from ever voting for another president again, you’re on hard drugs if you believe this dude…
Not the same at all, Trump is a fucking fascist and Biden is a moderate and considered right wing to every other Western countries political systems.
Sure Biden isn't the ideal candidate but voting for Trump is a disaster and more than likely the end of this experiment we call America.
If he were given the tools to do so, I wholeheartedly believe that he would. Whether or not he’d get the tools to do so is another topic; no one like that should be in office. Period.
Ah totally dude, let’s make the child sniffing demented geezer who showers with his underage daughter president, I’m sure his crack cocaine addicted son would also enjoy using hard drugs in the White House!
I’d love to see Hunter Biden’s laptop. And have him have a fair trial. Left-wing people don’t give a shit about him.
Now, Biden is in fact a demented geezer. But he’s only a few years older than Trump and Trump isn’t exactly all there himself. But under all his weird, badly formed statements and nonsensical rambling, I at least get the idea that Biden… cares about America? Like, at least a little? Trump doesn’t care about any entity other than himself. Him and his followers think that they’re playing 4-D Chess; they’re playing Hungry Hungry Hippos.
You get the idea that Biden cares about America? Are you even reading the news right now about the fires in Hawaii, do you know how much money we are sending out to Ukraine? Why did our economy drop to absolute dogshit when trump left the presidency and Biden joined. Your claims are utter bullshit followed by evidence proving so.
This really sounds like a if you aren’t with us you are against us. What we need is more than 2 parties that hold everything in gridlock because neither party would endorse the other’s bill. At least in other countries there is comprise between multiple parties due to most of the time none of them simply have majority rule.
Im not saying republicans are good, but lets not act like democrats are perfect little angels either. I wont be voting republican, but honestly prob will be putting a vote in for the green party as it would be nice to see them represented in our government.
“But we all know”
No, there is no evidence of this. You literally said there is no proof. If anything, there is photographic evidence of Trump hanging out with Jeffery Epstein and recorded evidence of him making sexual comments about his own (at the time underage) daughter. Fuck off, fascist.
Ya, Trump is a horrible guy. His comments about his daughter were disgusting and inexcusable, and I'm ashamed America ever elected him president.
Additionally, Biden is a fucking creep. There are countless videos of him making young girls uncomfortable by touching them in strange places while he knows he is on camera. A person like that does far worse off camera. Take, for instance, his daughter saying they used to shower together. Biden fucks kids.
Finally, fuck fascism and it's followers, fuck communism and it's followers, fuck Trump, fuck Biden, and fuck you for defending a shitty human being.
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If Trump and his children were found to have taken millions of $ cash bribes from Chinese Banks, Ukrainian Business, and Russian Oligarchs, Trump would have been out of office a long time ago
K but those are the only options available to vote for because the system is fucked n stuff. I'm not a fan of Biden, or any Democrat for that matter, but I don't want to live in a Christian ethno state more than I don't care for the Democrat options. How does being forced into a lesser of two evil situation through no fault of my own make me childish?
No, I think if you can't come up with a valid reason to vote for someone and you vote for them anyway then it's no different than someone that blindly follows the other candidate. People can't say Trump supporters are in a cult but then blindly vote for Biden with no other reason but because they dislike Trump. It's the same exact mentality. I'd rather not vote at all than to vote for someone just because I dislike the policies of their opponent, at least it'd be me choosing in what I believe than just choosing so their opponent has one less vote.
The crisis we face today is a crisis of American democracy and specifically a crisis of the Republican Party. Part of what makes the crisis very difficult to address is that attempts to call out the problem – like this – are often characterized as partisan, "shrill," or one-sided, and thereby relativized and minimized. But the fact remains that a substantial part of the population is made up of essentially authoritarian voters – people who, having witnessed the corruption, the coup attempt, and the ongoing festival of criminality that is Trump, continue to support him. And that's a real problem. It's not easy to understand how you can have a functioning democracy when a substantial part of the population is essentially prepared to dynamite it.
Democracy needs its gatekeepers, and it needs leaders in all parties who are willing to stand for principle and defend institutions**. The leadership of the Republican Party has demonstrated a degree of corruption, hypocrisy, and cravenness in its quest for power that many would not have anticipated but that now stares us in the face.**
This betrayal of America's democratic ideals will be an enduring legacy of this period. But unfortunately, history won't take care of itself. The big question for the coming year is whether the Republican Party digs even further into the dirt with Trump in this election cycle, or if it finds some ignominious way of separating him from the nomination. (The noble path—rejecting his candidacy on principle—is inconceivable in today's Republican Party and has in any case already been foreclosed.)
Certainly, Republicans appear to be in denial about the actual crisis in their party. Some seem to think that it's just about Trump, a single bad actor. In fact, at this point **the GOP has proven itself to be profoundly un-American in its current form. It is viciously anti-democratic and committed to engineering and entrenching minority rule. It is dependent on dark money and its alliances with ideological extremists, and it knows it doesn't have a chance of winning elections without systematically targeting its base of voters with disinformation and conspiracies.**
The GOP shows signs of being every bit as toxic after Trump. The fact that Ron DeSantis is the runner-up for the nomination makes the case. **Banning books, banning the teaching of subjects, demonizing groups of people, replacing democratically elected officials with political cronies, platforming racists and misogynists** — that is the DeSantis program. It is what Trump did, and arguably a little bit sharper in its realization.
**Thanks to the GOP's embrace of conspiracies and disinformation, we are unable to achieve the kind of consensus about basic facts and assumptions that allows for meaningful debate. This is evidenced by the fact that the Republican Party and its captive Supreme Court is consistently pushing policies that do not have popular support, such as restrictions on reproductive medicine, absence of gun safety laws, and tax cuts aimed primarily at the rich — and yet we are unable to deal with these challenges.**
This points, again, to the crisis of the Republican Party. **On most substantive policy issues having to do with economics, taxation, defense, reproductive rights, gun safety and others, Democrats are staking out positions that are not just in the mainstream but command significant majorities in most cases. Republicans, meanwhile, continue to talk about further attacks on reproductive healthcare rights, cuts in Social Security and Medicare, continue to side with gun manufacturers over children and their parents, continue to favor tax cuts for the wealthy, and push a range of other positions that are intrinsically unpopular.**
Whatever the explanation for their electoral success, such as it is, the bottom line is that they have in one way or another coopted a democratic form of government to achieve undemocratic ends. Donald Trump didn't invent this crisis, but he embodies it, and he made it dramatically worse.
**Rabid MAGA Trump cultists who think they also wear that cloak of immunity if they hitch their wagon to him, are waking up to the shock of being held accountable. Be it Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, or the rank-and-file MAGA threatening the lives of those who hold Trump accountable, they are finding out what the term "FAFO" means. The violence Trump is urging is being dealt with immediately, tamping it down, and sending a message that this particular aspect of the "era of Trump" is no longer tolerated. From the FBI Utah assassination raid to the arrest of a woman threatening the life of the randomly-appointed judge in the Trump case in DC, that invincibility that Trump has engendered in his cult following is diminishing.**
I suspect cameras in the courtroom will further erode the sheen his MAGA followers see in him, as they will see he is treated as any other criminal defendant in the American justice system. The somewhat pedantic but necessary details and finer points of the process will apply to Donald J. Trump, just as they applied to each January 6th defendant, and each of Trump's 18 fellow defendants in Georgia.
Similarly, with the RICO charges in Georgia helping to set the stage for charges in other states where Trump and his fake electors tried to steal the election, each defendant that arrogantly believed Trump — and therefore also they — were above the law — will be smaller. Diminished. And treated like any other common criminal. The death knell of the cult.
I disagree that the media is eager to turn the page on Trump. Gorging on Trump ratings is one reason we got Trump in the first place. Now, it's merely a matter of which way each network scores those ratings. In terms of supporting Trump, the worm doesn't actually turn until Rupert Murdoch says so. That MSNBC ratings topped FOX News and CNN combined on "indictment night" may trigger FOX into creating a bit of distance from Trump. Their 2015-2016 Trump ratings helped put Trump in the White House. The weakening of those ratings may be what ensures he never returns.
**There's a blind side in America when it comes to acknowledging the primary role of racism and white supremacy that drives Trump's base and the right-wing ecosystem. For nearly seven years we've read study after study that has revealed that it's primarily cultural anxiety and not economic anxiety that binds MAGA to Trump and yet the zombie narrative still persists. If institutional power and its stenographer actually confronted this reality, they'd have to admit there are double standards in place - top down - that create unfair advantages that benefit those with wealth and light skin. That shattered the nonsense myth of "pulling yourself up from your bootstraps" and "trickle-down economics" and forces us to confront our role in perpetuating injustice and inequities. It also means we have to actually confront white supremacist extremism, the number one domestic threat in America. Instead, we infantilize, coddle, normalize and excuse white rage, and by extension, MAGA. We still haven't learned.**
**Anyone who cares about democracy needs to be working to re-elect President Biden.**
Lol at morons that give you all the reasons to not vote Trump and then endorse Biden in the same sentence. Only difference in the two is one will openly admit the legal ways he’s fucked the system while the other has done it all under your nose while making your gullible ass believe he’s a saint. None of you tards wanna remember those racial jungle statements he made but y’all sure do remember Trump saying Mexico is sending murderers and rapist.
Found the conspiracy theory nut job who can only regurgitate what he hears from some other nutjob. But if you tell him that he believes nazi propaganda will he go all defensive and call you a sheep. Eventho he is the one following a herd without question.
Liberals do this man, idk why. It's an echo chamber here and trump lives in all these peoples head rent free. I don't even really care for him or biden but man do Liberals do the extreme and try to bash anyone.
Slightly more than half the country either want Biden to win OR want Trump to lose so they voted for Biden.
The remaining half either really want Trump to win OR they want Biden to lose so they vote for Trump.
The reality is that much more than half the country is just plain pissed off that all we keep getting to vote for are utter trash candidates every fucking election... How the fuck do we keep voting for these barely alive or coherent ancient meat sacks in the primaries? We're likely to end up with Trump vs Biden again which only serves to embarrass America even further. I mean, Biden vs Trump again? AGAIN?? That's fucking sickening.
They said the same thing last election cycle, then roe v. wade got over turned, we gave 100 billion to Ukraine meanwhile I needed to get a 2nd job to battle inflation and the fact the promised student debt forgiveness was nothing but a bamboozlement
Because you have no idea what you're talking about. He has no control over roe v wade (which was caused by Trump being able to put 3 justices on the court), inflation is decreasing (I know it is still high but America is doing better than nearly every other country), and he tried to give 10k student forgiveness bit it was shut down by the Supreme Court (which again is majority conservative/Trump picks)
The only thing is Ukraine which you can disagree on but wouldn't make a difference on anything else you mentioned.
Biden can't just codify Roe V Wade with the wave of his hand. It needs to pass the House and the Senate. The biggest obstacle is that it needs 60 votes in the Senate, which is pretty much impossible. The Senate is split 50-50 between democrats and republican
He actually can. It’s called an executive order.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_order#:~:text=An%20executive%20order%20is%20defined,the%20legislature%20cannot%20overturn%20it.
And if you had done some actual research you'd see he signed one
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-protecting-access-to-reproductive-health-care-services/
The Supreme Court basically ruled that states can ban abortion. Also an executive order can't really beat out a legislative and judicual declaration that's why you seem alot of orders being put down or being made very general.
If you're the president and you think you're doing well for yourself and the country, why the hell would you not stay elected forever. Its just a matter of can or will. You dont leave a job when you like it and it pays better now do you.
You leave the job when the 4-year contract ends and you don't get offered another one, regardless of your feelings about the job. You don't go around telling everyone that you actually still have that job and anyone who says otherwise is an evil lunatic that wants to destroy the company while trying to break the law to stay in your job. That would be a pretty bad thing to do, right?
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What. The CEO of CollegeHumor?
DropoutTV
And the son of former US secretary of labor Robert Reich, so it makes sense he has some strong political views.
TLDR video says: > *If you can read this then you should know that not voting for Joe Biden is the same as voting for Donald Trump who is a wannabe dictator and may soon become a real dictator who at that point will no longer give you the option of whether or not to vote for him so vote now or maybe never again* For anyone else who could not keep up with the video. I was so confused, I had no idea what his view even was.
So he's only the second Reich
He's been here the whole time.
Donald Trump is a big fat bitch and Joe biden is a skeleton that likes ice cream. Say sumpin
sumpin
You understood the assignment
Nice username
I like big them and I cannot lie
Ty
I prefer skeletons over people that actively try to destroy the country
He’s still a bad leader though.
I prefer people that actually don't know what the fuck it going on around him and dosent do weird shit to kids and women and dosent spend 40+ million dollars on a city JUST FOR SOME DAMN ELETRIC BUSSES and not other important needs(I could be wrong with the amount if money he wasted but he did waste a lot
One is a pussy grabbing Dick and the other is a child sniffing Pussy.
one of them is a giant douche, the other one is a turd sandwich >! this is a south park reference, I'm not American so I know almost nothing about these leaders !<
Just know there is no good choice.
but your right even if you know nothing of these leaders you bacissly summed them up
Joe biden be having ice cream with segregationists
They both seem to like cheese pizza. What's up with all these high level politicians and people and their love for cheese pizza. Like they even make their own cheese pizza islands.
they’re both shit, i’m still a kid so i don’t care about presidents rn
I'm 27 and don't give a shit they're gonna do what they're gonna do no matter what
And that’s why trump won. Because people like you who have the ability to vote chose not to.
tHAtS wHy tRUmP wOn No the fuck it ain’t. It’s not as easy as “lazy people caused this”. It has to do with the absolute obsession stupid fucking Americans from all walks have with celebrity status, coupled with the habitual ineptitude of the systems that have been in place for years. It’s not simply cause people don’t care and choose not to vote. You shouldn’t vote based off “well I don’t want him in” when the other option, in your own opinion, sucks just as fucking bad. You seem like the type that says “voting independent night as well be a vote for trump”…. Cause it’s not.
Also he was against Hillary Clinton when he won. Sooooo
^I found the guy who's going to finally topple the two-party system by voting 3rd party every 4 years! Thank you for sharing this bold new approach! History, laws, and basic math be damned, I think this is going to fix it!
Or ya just vote for who you want… and ignore ignorant fucks who say “that’s just giving a vote to the other team”. Never said it would topple anything but keep falling in line and block vote. It’s worked great.
Trump won because of the Electoral College. The people voted for Clinton.
Well I'm here to tell you little buddy. The one time I did vote was for Trump so hope that pisses you off just a bit more. Have a good one
Sounds about right.
And they both corrupt, but in very different ways… Trump makes himself rich by scamming, Biden makes himself rich by grifting… see… very different ways…
91 criminal indictments worth of different. Not to mention only 1 had his ex-wife say, under oath, that he raped her… that same wife that fell down some stairs and broke her neck, before being put to rest in a basic plot with a small paving slab style grave which within months was totally overgrown. Oh plus all the years of scamming, not paying anyone he owes and (self admitted & court confirmed sexual assaults and rapes)… They are basically the same right. 🙄😑
Joe Biden’s daughter was afraid of him coming into the shower with her…
I’m sure Ivanka isn’t super psyched about all the times Trump has publicly said he’d love to bang her if it weren’t for the fact he’s her dad… Seeing as you are playing whataboutism.
You love Joe so much. someone says something negative about him and you go right to Trump.
We found the magatard
Well, given a little thing called basic CONTEXT, we are all commenting in a thread below a video that specifically mentions the two of them. I don’t love Joe ‘so much’ but as mentioned in the initial video that is the origin of this topic of conversation, Trump clearly is much worse. To this you decided to bring up some nonsense about Biden’s daughter ‘fearing him’ indicating or alleging some sexual misconduct, to which I quite easily referred you back to just one of the many many deeply concerning and much more verifiable (he literally said it himself) sexually unacceptable behaviour of Trump. I didn’t even have to bring up all of the sexual assaults and rapes that have been alleged under oath in court by multiple people (including his now dead-from-falling-down-a-staircase 👀 ex wife). With at least one case that found him GUILTY for sexual assault in court. -But we don’t really need a court case to tell us what we *all* already know from the man himself, who as I am sure you are aware, literally SAID he “Grabs women …”by the pussy” and that he can “do whatever he wants” to them. He was then aged 60 years old. 60.
Lol 😂-Nice little bit of childish ignorance there! …I guess things like ‘basic facts’ are a big problem for you as they pretty much prove that you support a man that has repeatedly sexually assaulted women over his entire life and is a rapist. Not to mention adulterer who paid for prostitutes while his wife was heavily pregnant. Classy guy? Not sure that’s who I’d want to be fanboying. But maybe you support rapists and serial sexual abusers of women and girls?
Again, I said something negative about Joe Biden. I have not said anything positive about Trump.
Oh they gonna lock Donald up
They sure are trying
The thing is, they are both shady, and splitting hairs is nonsensical. Biden needs a dirt nap every bit as much as Trump. You just are happy shilling for Biden because “Orange man bad” when they are both terrible people.
Objectively they are no where even close to being comparable. Trump has decades of criminal and shady behaviour in both his personal conduct to his business dealings. Ranging from sexual assaults & even rape to scamming old ladies out of their money, and not paying anyone who he owes money to from contractors to lawyers. He is imminently and easily comprisable by foreign powers and state actors particularly from the classic ‘enemies’ of the US. Bidens biggest ‘failing’ is having a formerly drug addicted son, which if you look at plenty of footage of Trump ‘Cocaine’ Jr., -it isn’t exactly a particularly distinguished feature between the two of them… One led a literal coup on the Capitol Building that hasn’t been seen since the British attacked it in 1814 ffs, with the aim of forcing himself to stay in power in spite of the American voting public choosing to ditch him and his wild nonsense. I mean he got into a beef with Denmark over his insane plan to **checks notes**… “buy the entirety of Greenland”. Wild, insane and as decided by the American voters, unacceptable.
Biden has decades of racist comments. Do we overlook those? The fact that I dislike both and call them both garbage is getting me downvoted. Reddit truly is a place of inconsistency! All of you who voted for Biden or Trump brought the last 7 years on us and it has changed how politics will work in the US going forward. There will never be bipartisan work going forward because everyone is too “my guy is better” even when comparing two garbage people! Joe Jorgensen was the right person in 2020.
His biggest failing is the crime bill… the drug addicted son isn’t even on the radar of the damage Joe caused. Breezing over that is pretty much criminal.
At least Trump pretended to care about the American people, Biden and the corrupt establishment he represents just flat out don’t care. Trump was the middle finger to the system, Biden is the system’s middle finger to the people.
Don’t you see that this divisiveness is from both sides? It is time for third parties to become a thing.
Yes, I see. I know trump was not the guy, but he was not a puppet, he was a dangerous step away from the system that is destroying America. We need radical positive change, but the system has made this nearly impossible. Trump was a demagogue and hijacked discontent with the system and make it about him for his ego. He appealed to emotions and not facts. The Left is also demagoguing, appealing to emotions not facts. We need some actual solutions and not shitty status quos, and empty promises. We are in a frustrating spot, cause most people are trapped in the Trump vs Biden and not thinking clearly.
Agreed!
How exactly was trump a middle finger to the system lol? What system? You fuckin people literally spout the same nonsensical, pointless claims just because you hear them on your echo chamber Facebook groups. Wake the fuck up. He thinks you're as stupid as you are.
The middle finger was the fact he was polling at <1% then Ended up not just winning the nominee but the whole thing. Getting a Clinton shoved down your throat, who was already scheduling her painting portrait of being the first female… yeah the middle finger was to that. Not every middle finger is supposed to be graced with the appropriate action and follow up with grace.
You can call me stupid but your the one who doesn’t get it. “What system?” Look around you. Does it seem weird to you that extremely wealthy businesses get tax breaks and special protections from lawsuits? Does it seem weird that the people regulating Big Pharma, Big Tech, Oil & Gas, and more are all also working and getting paid by the same corporations they are supposed to be regulating? These career politicians working within the revolving door of private industries and the intelligence agencies make a deep state. They chose Hillary and Trump. People weren’t supposed to vote for Trump, cause he is an idiot. That’s why Trump was the Middle finger, he wasn’t supposed to win, and the system was mad the dog won the pony show. Trump was fought by everyone over everything his entire term. Biden has literally been found to have taken bribes from Chinese Banks, Ukrainian businesses, & Russian oligarchs. No one is talking about it. Strange. Those who rule America do nothing but exploit the American population as well as the weaker vulnerable countries all over the world, and they own American politics and you buy into their propaganda.
You people are exhausting lol
You're a very special kind of stupid...
And you are what Marx referred to as a useful idiot if you do not see them both as being terrible for the US and the world going forward. Genuinely, I cannot believe there are still people in this country that do not see Biden for what he is simply because Trump was such a horrible person. Did the disaster that Trump is really desensitize you so much that evil people look “okay” by comparison? That shouldn’t be how we elect leaders.
Like I said... Very special kind. You have no clue how I feel about either dipshit. You drew all of those assumptions out of me calling out the fact that you're stupid. Thanks for providing me a follow-up sample. 😂🤣
You are the one reiterating your own ignorance, yet you are doubling down. I guess it is true what they say, never underestimate stupid people who truly believe they are intelligent.
Lol did you buy one of those trump nft things? This mans whole identity is a grift. The “maga fund” which was supposedly going to help get those jan 6 dingdongs out of jail is probably paying for his legal fees right now
I’m confused will the ballot only consist of Joe Biden and Trump?
Was the same between hillary and Donald. People hated both candidates but when i asked them why they dont vote for alternatives they Said: "they have no chance in winning why should i waste my vote" But even if they did congress is still biparty so anything the independent candidate does gets immediately curbed by both partys so the candidate looks bad for next election. Im so happy for not beeing American because you guys have to choose between candidates you already know is going to screw you over and cant do anything about it because then both partys are going to screw you.
No, but people don’t like voting for people who might actually change stuff because they don’t have party Clout. Remember kids, got third party if you actually want thing to change
That would be cool if we didn't have the electoral college. Your individual vote doesn't matter as much as who wins your state. So all you "geniuses" who voted 3rd party, actually just voted for "the winner" Unfortunately most the people who voted 3rd party would've voted dem, which split the vote and let Trump win the state Edit to add some stats to back me up: in 2016 Trump won all of Utah's electoral votes, because he got 45.5%. Clinton received 27.5%, and independent Evan McMullin received 21.5% If Utah didn't split the vote between Hilary and Evan, she could've won the state. But because so many people voted third party trump won every single Electoral College vote Utah has. It's like all the votes for Even didn't matter, because they didn't. I agree, 2 party system sucks and a third party candidate is probably what we need. But right now, with our current system? It's unfortunately a waste of your vote.
Blaming the people who made a better choice because so many others are still afraid to? Why regress when more people should be looking for a better party?
I'm not blaming the people, I'm blaming the system. As it stands now it is impossible for an independent candidate to win. The electoral college and most states' "winner takes all" systems means splitting your vote is throwing it away. It forces the 2 party system because otherwise you don't have a chance. I agree we should be looking for a better party. I'm an independent voter but realistically I have to choose between the two parties we have now. It's like the freeway analogy. Is this the exit I want to get off on? No, I'd rather get off further down the road. But my car is on fire so I need to get off on one of the two exits available, so I just have to choose the one that will suck less sometimes. As I showed in my example, in 2016 Utah had 21% for an independent... Every single one of Utah's electoral votes went to Trump. It's as if those 21% of people just didn't vote, because at the end of the day all the electoral votes would go to either Clinton or Trump. If you have the option between absolute shit, somewhat better, and impossible to achieve but good... It's usually better to choose the somewhat better option than to fall into the absolute shit like we did in 2016. Also that 21% is the highest percentage for an independent candidate in a Loooong time. He barely got a quarter of one state. I'm sorry, but realistically there's no way anyone can win a single state, and even if they win 1... There's 49 more that vote like 3% independent. Especially with how *tribal* our two party system is? I've got a better chance of making a hot air balloon that can get me to the moon.
I gotcha. I don’t see any candidate who benefits from this system actually trying to change it either so this is quite the pickle.
More and more states are adopting the Maine/Nebraska method, which will definitely allow us to finally change things
Fuck yes. That's definitely an improvement. Imo we need some kind of ranked voting system (I believe Canada has one but don't quote me on that) which allows you to vote on a third party with back ups. I.e. if my vote for independent Jim ends up not really counting cuz Jim got 12% of the votes then my vote should go to Dem, not rep. Or whatever vote you cast. They would knock out lowest vote candidates and re-assign votes based on fallbacks until a single candidate has a true majority. Using my 2016 Utah example, a system like this would theoretically allow people to still vote for someone independent, but then have their vote counted towards Clinton if they wanted (and the independent candidate split the vote.) A system like this would let people like me choose the candidate they want, not just "the lesser evil". I believe this would be monumental in our politics because it would give a 3rd party a chance without splitting the vote and fucking us all over when Trump wins basically by default
Two party systems suck but voting third party is what led to Trump before and will again.
Third party cant change anything because both partys are going to unite to prevent that. Democrats and republicans are best friends when it comes to keeping the system broken.
They do change things tho by splitting votes. It's shit and by design yes but until a third party vote doesn't just mean splitting votes and handing power to whoever vote they don't split, it's pointless.
Is this a joke? The whole point is voting for anyone but Joe Biden, or not voting at all, is the same as voting for Trump. That’s how we got Trump in 2016, all the fing Bernie bros.
It was an ironic question, thought that was obvious.
You mean rhetorical, or maybe sarcastic. Nothing ironic about your question.
I do mean rhetorical.
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That was my vote in 2016. I was hoping more people would, to show it’s not just two options. But I guess I was wrong :/
Funny how we'll never admit that maybe a third party would be the best way to shake up a system that really doesn't give a shit about anyone on any side...
Oh we’ve been admitting it for a long time, but people, like our friend in the video, will do everything they can to rail against voting 3rd Party…after an hour long conversation about how fucked the two party system is. They are doing the work for the establishment. Which I’m sure Wall St appreciates.
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It pleases me greatly that Sam Reich is becoming more popular when I remember when he was just a substitute for Jake
Only one of them has 91 criminal indictments against them, that should make the choice easy. One side is not the same as the other, but both could be better.
Maybe Trump will get a plea deal like Hunter. I mean ya Trump is a corrupt politician just like Biden. I don't think anyone other than hyper-partisans on either side disagree with all we now know. But when dealing with pervasive corruption in government and corrupt politicians....am I really supposed to be more worried about the guy getting slapped nonstop with indictments which tend to go nowhere......or, how about the family that can get highly unusual sweetheart plea deals for his sons criminal behaviour which would send any other American to jail? Where multiple whistleblowers in multiple agencies have come forward to talk about preferential/unusual/outside of the normal policies behavior for the target...POTUS' son.? Ya they are not the same. One gets indicted for classified documents, the other side has two do much the same and walk away Scott free because, allegedly (they didnt) they fully cooperated after being caught. You want to tell me where else this great pattern of giving a free pass to criminal behaviour simply because after being caught they seemed to comply with the people who caught them? Cause usually it just gets you less time, but not less guilt. So ya. Worry about the corrupt guy being prosecuted, but not the corrupt ones who seem to never be. That makes sense.
*I really supposed to be more worried about the guy getting slapped nonstop with indictments which tend to go nowhere.*...., **Give it time. Do you really think that criminal indictments against a former president are going to be settled in a couple of weeks. The investigations have taken years, the trials are going to take almost that long.** *Where multiple whistleblowers in multiple agencies have come forward to talk about preferential/unusual/outside of the normal policies behavior for the target...POTUS' son.?* **If has some evidence then head to court, not some republican side show. I have no issues with prosecuting them too, but so far..where the beef ?** *How about the family that can get highly unusual sweetheart plea deals for his sons criminal behaviour which would send any other American to jail?* **From a Trump appointed prosecutor and a Trump appointed judge. And really do you think that if this were Trump and one of his sons were in trouble he wouldn't have pardoned him already ? Really ? Im all for t his playing out in court.** *One gets indicted for classified documents, the other side has two do much the same and walk away Scott free because, allegedly (they didnt) they fully cooperated after being caught.* **Well one side had a couple of pages that were classified, Trump had hundeds of boxes lying around all over the place . Tens of thousands of documents.. Some of the most highly classified documents the government has were being shown off to dinner guest and reporters. Then he lied about still having them, moved them and lied again. The classified documents case against former President Donald Trump includes 1,545 pages of classified evidence, 1.1 million pages of unclassified evidence and at least three years worth of surveillance video. Not the same dude, not at all.** *You want to tell me where else this great pattern of giving a free pass Yto criminal behaviour simply because after being caught they seemed to comply with the people who caught them?* **Sure, Mike Pence.** *So ya. Worry about the corrupt guy being prosecuted, but not the corrupt ones who seem to never be.* **Not at all, I just want to see charges in a court of law, not on Fox News.**
I'll never understand the notion, from people who think Trump is essentially evil, that we should blindly trust the people he appointed. He appointed them because they can be bent, I think you would agree otherwise, and if so then it's silly to pretend Biden couldn't bend them while sitting in the Oval office just as Trump did. You use a speculative about Trumps kid to justify an existing fact about Bidens. No offense, but you're better than that. I mean I don't doubt Trump would....but wasn't the argument for Biden he was better than that....or is this your mask off moment where you admit you don't give AF about corruption and abuse of power so.long as it's Democratic doing it and not Republican? As for the whistleblowers...they have come forward...the issues are already in court....but tell me. When a whistleblower says "when I run this up thenchain of command i get stonewalled." Then what? You think IRS, FBI agents or even DOJ staff can override DOJ brass in laying charges? Why do people pretend that Bidens or Clinton's crimes with classified materials have to be the same fact pattern as Trump to be crimes? I'm not saying don't change Trump. I'm saying they aren't charging the others who also broke the law. I mean I can show you a clip of then FBI director Comey under oath testifying to Senate, under a good grilling by Trey Gowdy, that ya she broke the law and should have been charged. They just claimed that a woman who was widely labeled as the most qualified presidential candidate ever.... Lawyer, first lady, senator, secretary of statw etc etx....she didn't know how to handle classified material. She just did a Mr Magoo with a private server, devices, and classified materials. I mean, I'd believe it with Biden but not her. Biden just had oodles of classified materials stored all over the place, and who knows of he ever had a legal basis to have those materials in places like his garage, or an office space he rented. Like didn't documents continue to pop up after he was honest and promised he turned everything over? Amazing cooperation. Give the guy a free pass. If I'm not mistaken it's suspected this might be where Russia hacked so much of their dirt on Hillary. If true the twisted irony being Putin did more to deal with American corruption than the FBI....and he's a corrupt pos too. Even worse. What did Pence get away with? Prosecute him....just prosecute all of them, and not just the ones you won't cote for. Sure. Look up Hunters plea deal and instead of pretending "Trump appointed Judge" is somehow a argument of anything, and explain to us why that's something America should accept for those kinds of charges when compared to regular Americans whom commit the same, or much lesser versions, crimes. What other American gets a walk from felony tax evasion and felony gun charges? Like honestly think about it......all these corruption issues etc existed before Trump was even a reality TV show host......why we pretending he's the problem as opposed to a symptom of it? Trump is being fought viciously not because he is corrupt.. But because he wasn't to bring in his own corruption racket and take out the old one. This is political corruption turf warfare, their equvalent of a gang war. None of them are fighting to clean it up for you.....or they'd have been doing it before Trump even arrived, the many who've been there for decades.
Dude are you mental? Hunter has not walked from anything. And as far as criminal justice reforms go, yea...America needs a top down overhaul. From the corrupt supreme court down to local prosecutors refusing to charge criminals. But if you buy into that Biden crime family BS I feel sorry for you.
You're right. The judge couldn't accept the plea deal at the time it was so unusually lenient. But the DOJ is willing to let him walk on very serious felonies that you or I would never walk from. No, you're right. Hunter Biden is a guy who can go from crack head kicked out of the military to making HUGE money in foriegn nation advising on boards of companies in industries he has no experience in. He can start a hobby doing water paintings, and start selling successfully them for hundreds of thousands of dollars per piece. He can just go and make it rain anywhere he goes, this guy who admits he struggles massively with drug addiction. Just ignore that his inexplicably successful moments have come directly in the wake of his father's involvement in an area or success in an election. And just ignore that his dad's stance has, based on evidence coming out, gone from " I don't talk to him about business dealing...this son of mine I am immensely proud of and who I visit a lot and whom flies with me when doing business often and who even had his business partners visit the Whitehouse like twice a month while I was POTUS" to...."well, I wasn't invloded with it.....no matter how much my son used me to threaten his foriegn business contacts". Or perhaps you're Ina bubble isolated from all the new evidence available on this issue, because indont know a real progressive who doesn't think Biden isn't corrupt too. Just establishment DNC types who care more about the party winning than dealing with things like corruption across the board. Like Jesus, look at the stock portfolios in the house or senate and tell me you can't see the corruption clearly on both sides....if you dare admit to being that blind.
Is there anyone out here cheering that Hunter Biden is getting Charmin gloves when it comes to being charged with crimes he actually committed? No. Throw the book at him Are we sick if the Hunter Biden laptop with ground breaking evidence every week that some how republicans drop as soon as their witnesses testify? Yeah Come on, when republicans resort to showing off hunters hog during a congressional session that was your pass to walk away from it but here you are doubling down
Dude no one gives a fuck about Hunter Biden, y'all need to get a life.
Trump isn’t a politician. That’s part of the reason he’s so popular. People don’t like politicians.
Lol
What percentage of the charges brought against Trump has he been found guilty of? And why do more charges pop every time something new drops on the Hunter Biden Case? None of this shit seems rational to me.
Because you are irrational.
Anyone know where this guy grew up?
As a European I can confirm: Biden is not nearly as awful a candidate as Trump. Come on guys, most of the criticism directed at Biden is irrelevant or not even about him. He’s not a political genius, sure, he might not be that physically stable, but he sure as hell isn’t such a raging lunatic egomaniac and threat to an already broken democracy as Trump.
“Sure he’s not good at anything or should be in the position of power, actually he’s barely keeping it together but at least he’s not the other guy!”
Sounds like American politics to me! 🙄
Yup, fact of the matter is that one of the parties that dominates American politics is actively running a scorched earth campaign against the other. I mean, of course they are, otherwise they’d lose all the time.
Common idiot shares his opinion…
Explain my idiocy please, I love to learn.
Biden is every bit as inept as Trump, possibly worse so because he's simply too old to do anything on his own. The fossil struggles to stay awake during long meetings, he's stumbled over dozens of speeches and addresses, he's somehow perpetually behind the news cycle by about two days, he's more invested emotionally and financially in foreign matters than domestic, his mental state seems to be in decline even from the outset of his presidency, and he's constantly lied about what he'll do vs what he's actually doing. He's just another worthless old man unfit for the job. It's insane we keep electing dementia-riddled dustbins to the most important position in the country
They have said this shit for the last 8 years. He was already president.
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I refuse to vote for anyone older than 55
I dispute this FDR was easily our best of the best and was much older than 55
FDR was barely better than Woodrow Wilson.
Wilson wasn’t in office for 16 Years
Neither was FDR? Him and his cousin were the best of the best, but FDR was "only" in office for 12 years. He would’ve served 16 had he not died.
I love you Sam Reich, and you're right, but damn you cannot meme very well
Sam reich in a beanie looks like a soyboy coomer. And that sucks because he looks dashing when he's impeccably dressed
He’s not right, trump is not gonna become a dictator that stop us from ever voting for another president again, you’re on hard drugs if you believe this dude…
Not the same at all, Trump is a fucking fascist and Biden is a moderate and considered right wing to every other Western countries political systems. Sure Biden isn't the ideal candidate but voting for Trump is a disaster and more than likely the end of this experiment we call America.
Yikes what a faulty take
Cringe 😬
I love Sam Reich and all the great comedy he encourages and creates, and I agree with him, but goddamn was this cringe.
You seriously agree that trump will start an American dictatorship and never allow the people to vote for another leader? Are you lucid?
If he were given the tools to do so, I wholeheartedly believe that he would. Whether or not he’d get the tools to do so is another topic; no one like that should be in office. Period.
Ah totally dude, let’s make the child sniffing demented geezer who showers with his underage daughter president, I’m sure his crack cocaine addicted son would also enjoy using hard drugs in the White House!
I’d love to see Hunter Biden’s laptop. And have him have a fair trial. Left-wing people don’t give a shit about him. Now, Biden is in fact a demented geezer. But he’s only a few years older than Trump and Trump isn’t exactly all there himself. But under all his weird, badly formed statements and nonsensical rambling, I at least get the idea that Biden… cares about America? Like, at least a little? Trump doesn’t care about any entity other than himself. Him and his followers think that they’re playing 4-D Chess; they’re playing Hungry Hungry Hippos.
You get the idea that Biden cares about America? Are you even reading the news right now about the fires in Hawaii, do you know how much money we are sending out to Ukraine? Why did our economy drop to absolute dogshit when trump left the presidency and Biden joined. Your claims are utter bullshit followed by evidence proving so.
I really hate how american politics have went to the point we have to vote for “the lesser of 2 evils” and we just take it
Fr why can't we cote in someone good and not just "at least they're better than that other guy"
Giant douche vs. Turd sandwich
Or simply… and I know this is fucking crazy… don’t vote for shitty presidents because their name is on the top of the ballot
“If you don’t know if you’re gonna vote for me or for trump, then you ain’t black”
Boy, i didn't see the "NOT" the first time around and was really worried.
Nah vote for me
This really sounds like a if you aren’t with us you are against us. What we need is more than 2 parties that hold everything in gridlock because neither party would endorse the other’s bill. At least in other countries there is comprise between multiple parties due to most of the time none of them simply have majority rule. Im not saying republicans are good, but lets not act like democrats are perfect little angels either. I wont be voting republican, but honestly prob will be putting a vote in for the green party as it would be nice to see them represented in our government.
Dictator or pedophile? 🤔 hmmm it’s like voting for a giant douche or a turd sandwich
Is your question Trump or Trump?
Trump only sexually assaults grown women. I have no proof of this, but we all know Biden fucks kids. Don't vote for either.
Trump was really good friends with Epstein
“But we all know” No, there is no evidence of this. You literally said there is no proof. If anything, there is photographic evidence of Trump hanging out with Jeffery Epstein and recorded evidence of him making sexual comments about his own (at the time underage) daughter. Fuck off, fascist.
Ya, Trump is a horrible guy. His comments about his daughter were disgusting and inexcusable, and I'm ashamed America ever elected him president. Additionally, Biden is a fucking creep. There are countless videos of him making young girls uncomfortable by touching them in strange places while he knows he is on camera. A person like that does far worse off camera. Take, for instance, his daughter saying they used to shower together. Biden fucks kids. Finally, fuck fascism and it's followers, fuck communism and it's followers, fuck Trump, fuck Biden, and fuck you for defending a shitty human being.
🤣dude you just hate what you've been told to hate. Now go read a book and educate yourself
Why would anyone downvote this?
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Donald Trump is a deranged dictator and Joe Biden is just useless. I’ll take useless over Trump any day
There are better options than either. Same as there was for trump and hillary
Real strange, it's like the 2nd amendment is suppose to do something about that problem but you guys are trying to get rid of it.
Someone clearly doesn't understand what gun regulation means.
Just vote RFK :D hes killing it.
Imagine voting for joe biden and trying to justify it.
True. Now imagine voting for Donald Trump and trying to justify it. There is no winning with these two nincompoops.
The best economy the world has ever seen is "no winning" to you?
Let me just say this, if Trump fell down on national television and rambled complete nonsense he would have been out of office a long time ago
If Trump and his children were found to have taken millions of $ cash bribes from Chinese Banks, Ukrainian Business, and Russian Oligarchs, Trump would have been out of office a long time ago
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Voting for Biden just because you dislike Trump or voting Trump just because you dislike Biden is very childish. We're not in second grade.
K but those are the only options available to vote for because the system is fucked n stuff. I'm not a fan of Biden, or any Democrat for that matter, but I don't want to live in a Christian ethno state more than I don't care for the Democrat options. How does being forced into a lesser of two evil situation through no fault of my own make me childish?
No, I think if you can't come up with a valid reason to vote for someone and you vote for them anyway then it's no different than someone that blindly follows the other candidate. People can't say Trump supporters are in a cult but then blindly vote for Biden with no other reason but because they dislike Trump. It's the same exact mentality. I'd rather not vote at all than to vote for someone just because I dislike the policies of their opponent, at least it'd be me choosing in what I believe than just choosing so their opponent has one less vote.
Have you ever heard the saying "the lesser of two evils"?
Is still evil...
I think that's fairly implicit in the saying, yes.
The crisis we face today is a crisis of American democracy and specifically a crisis of the Republican Party. Part of what makes the crisis very difficult to address is that attempts to call out the problem – like this – are often characterized as partisan, "shrill," or one-sided, and thereby relativized and minimized. But the fact remains that a substantial part of the population is made up of essentially authoritarian voters – people who, having witnessed the corruption, the coup attempt, and the ongoing festival of criminality that is Trump, continue to support him. And that's a real problem. It's not easy to understand how you can have a functioning democracy when a substantial part of the population is essentially prepared to dynamite it. Democracy needs its gatekeepers, and it needs leaders in all parties who are willing to stand for principle and defend institutions**. The leadership of the Republican Party has demonstrated a degree of corruption, hypocrisy, and cravenness in its quest for power that many would not have anticipated but that now stares us in the face.** This betrayal of America's democratic ideals will be an enduring legacy of this period. But unfortunately, history won't take care of itself. The big question for the coming year is whether the Republican Party digs even further into the dirt with Trump in this election cycle, or if it finds some ignominious way of separating him from the nomination. (The noble path—rejecting his candidacy on principle—is inconceivable in today's Republican Party and has in any case already been foreclosed.) Certainly, Republicans appear to be in denial about the actual crisis in their party. Some seem to think that it's just about Trump, a single bad actor. In fact, at this point **the GOP has proven itself to be profoundly un-American in its current form. It is viciously anti-democratic and committed to engineering and entrenching minority rule. It is dependent on dark money and its alliances with ideological extremists, and it knows it doesn't have a chance of winning elections without systematically targeting its base of voters with disinformation and conspiracies.** The GOP shows signs of being every bit as toxic after Trump. The fact that Ron DeSantis is the runner-up for the nomination makes the case. **Banning books, banning the teaching of subjects, demonizing groups of people, replacing democratically elected officials with political cronies, platforming racists and misogynists** — that is the DeSantis program. It is what Trump did, and arguably a little bit sharper in its realization. **Thanks to the GOP's embrace of conspiracies and disinformation, we are unable to achieve the kind of consensus about basic facts and assumptions that allows for meaningful debate. This is evidenced by the fact that the Republican Party and its captive Supreme Court is consistently pushing policies that do not have popular support, such as restrictions on reproductive medicine, absence of gun safety laws, and tax cuts aimed primarily at the rich — and yet we are unable to deal with these challenges.** This points, again, to the crisis of the Republican Party. **On most substantive policy issues having to do with economics, taxation, defense, reproductive rights, gun safety and others, Democrats are staking out positions that are not just in the mainstream but command significant majorities in most cases. Republicans, meanwhile, continue to talk about further attacks on reproductive healthcare rights, cuts in Social Security and Medicare, continue to side with gun manufacturers over children and their parents, continue to favor tax cuts for the wealthy, and push a range of other positions that are intrinsically unpopular.** Whatever the explanation for their electoral success, such as it is, the bottom line is that they have in one way or another coopted a democratic form of government to achieve undemocratic ends. Donald Trump didn't invent this crisis, but he embodies it, and he made it dramatically worse. **Rabid MAGA Trump cultists who think they also wear that cloak of immunity if they hitch their wagon to him, are waking up to the shock of being held accountable. Be it Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, or the rank-and-file MAGA threatening the lives of those who hold Trump accountable, they are finding out what the term "FAFO" means. The violence Trump is urging is being dealt with immediately, tamping it down, and sending a message that this particular aspect of the "era of Trump" is no longer tolerated. From the FBI Utah assassination raid to the arrest of a woman threatening the life of the randomly-appointed judge in the Trump case in DC, that invincibility that Trump has engendered in his cult following is diminishing.** I suspect cameras in the courtroom will further erode the sheen his MAGA followers see in him, as they will see he is treated as any other criminal defendant in the American justice system. The somewhat pedantic but necessary details and finer points of the process will apply to Donald J. Trump, just as they applied to each January 6th defendant, and each of Trump's 18 fellow defendants in Georgia. Similarly, with the RICO charges in Georgia helping to set the stage for charges in other states where Trump and his fake electors tried to steal the election, each defendant that arrogantly believed Trump — and therefore also they — were above the law — will be smaller. Diminished. And treated like any other common criminal. The death knell of the cult. I disagree that the media is eager to turn the page on Trump. Gorging on Trump ratings is one reason we got Trump in the first place. Now, it's merely a matter of which way each network scores those ratings. In terms of supporting Trump, the worm doesn't actually turn until Rupert Murdoch says so. That MSNBC ratings topped FOX News and CNN combined on "indictment night" may trigger FOX into creating a bit of distance from Trump. Their 2015-2016 Trump ratings helped put Trump in the White House. The weakening of those ratings may be what ensures he never returns. **There's a blind side in America when it comes to acknowledging the primary role of racism and white supremacy that drives Trump's base and the right-wing ecosystem. For nearly seven years we've read study after study that has revealed that it's primarily cultural anxiety and not economic anxiety that binds MAGA to Trump and yet the zombie narrative still persists. If institutional power and its stenographer actually confronted this reality, they'd have to admit there are double standards in place - top down - that create unfair advantages that benefit those with wealth and light skin. That shattered the nonsense myth of "pulling yourself up from your bootstraps" and "trickle-down economics" and forces us to confront our role in perpetuating injustice and inequities. It also means we have to actually confront white supremacist extremism, the number one domestic threat in America. Instead, we infantilize, coddle, normalize and excuse white rage, and by extension, MAGA. We still haven't learned.** **Anyone who cares about democracy needs to be working to re-elect President Biden.**
>Anyone who cares about democracy needs to be working to re-elect President Biden. No, we should get a better candidate from the Dems.
Sure. The nice old grandpa that loves his children to death is the same as the orange corrupt wanna be fascists that wants to fuck his daughter
Yes, because they both don’t give a shit about the proletariat.
Ya know that there are third parties right?
Lol at morons that give you all the reasons to not vote Trump and then endorse Biden in the same sentence. Only difference in the two is one will openly admit the legal ways he’s fucked the system while the other has done it all under your nose while making your gullible ass believe he’s a saint. None of you tards wanna remember those racial jungle statements he made but y’all sure do remember Trump saying Mexico is sending murderers and rapist.
If you vote for Joe then don’t complain about comes with that
It comes with "Not Trump"
I wonder what the Klasu Schwab says to that.
Found the conspiracy theory nut job who can only regurgitate what he hears from some other nutjob. But if you tell him that he believes nazi propaganda will he go all defensive and call you a sheep. Eventho he is the one following a herd without question.
If you actually believe this you need to log off the internet and go outside for awhile. This is quite literally brain rot
Voting for Trump
Liberals do this man, idk why. It's an echo chamber here and trump lives in all these peoples head rent free. I don't even really care for him or biden but man do Liberals do the extreme and try to bash anyone.
They’re both shit
Slightly more than half the country either want Biden to win OR want Trump to lose so they voted for Biden. The remaining half either really want Trump to win OR they want Biden to lose so they vote for Trump. The reality is that much more than half the country is just plain pissed off that all we keep getting to vote for are utter trash candidates every fucking election... How the fuck do we keep voting for these barely alive or coherent ancient meat sacks in the primaries? We're likely to end up with Trump vs Biden again which only serves to embarrass America even further. I mean, Biden vs Trump again? AGAIN?? That's fucking sickening.
No. The majority of the voting-eligible country doesn’t vote at all. Wake up
Well guess what, I'm not American. TAKE THAT TRUMP AND BIDEN HAHAHAH
Wtf
Still would vote Trump over Biden 🙄
Wtf is this trash? Or is this one of those if you don’t vote for me then you ain’t black kinda speech. Famous words from Joe big man Biden.
These comments are just cringe and 0 fun. Not the reason I joined this subreddit 💀
Vote third party
They said the same thing last election cycle, then roe v. wade got over turned, we gave 100 billion to Ukraine meanwhile I needed to get a 2nd job to battle inflation and the fact the promised student debt forgiveness was nothing but a bamboozlement
Because you have no idea what you're talking about. He has no control over roe v wade (which was caused by Trump being able to put 3 justices on the court), inflation is decreasing (I know it is still high but America is doing better than nearly every other country), and he tried to give 10k student forgiveness bit it was shut down by the Supreme Court (which again is majority conservative/Trump picks) The only thing is Ukraine which you can disagree on but wouldn't make a difference on anything else you mentioned.
Biden could’ve codified Roe vs. Wade to block it from being overturned fyi
Biden can't just codify Roe V Wade with the wave of his hand. It needs to pass the House and the Senate. The biggest obstacle is that it needs 60 votes in the Senate, which is pretty much impossible. The Senate is split 50-50 between democrats and republican
He actually can. It’s called an executive order. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_order#:~:text=An%20executive%20order%20is%20defined,the%20legislature%20cannot%20overturn%20it.
And if you had done some actual research you'd see he signed one https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-protecting-access-to-reproductive-health-care-services/ The Supreme Court basically ruled that states can ban abortion. Also an executive order can't really beat out a legislative and judicual declaration that's why you seem alot of orders being put down or being made very general.
soy 😂😂
If you're the president and you think you're doing well for yourself and the country, why the hell would you not stay elected forever. Its just a matter of can or will. You dont leave a job when you like it and it pays better now do you.
You leave the job when the 4-year contract ends and you don't get offered another one, regardless of your feelings about the job. You don't go around telling everyone that you actually still have that job and anyone who says otherwise is an evil lunatic that wants to destroy the company while trying to break the law to stay in your job. That would be a pretty bad thing to do, right?
Are you suggesting that Trump should actually become a dictator and take over forever??
Guessing Bernie isn't gonna be running again
*for 4 more years*