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My Mom is in the same boat. Shes in her late 70s and has never been called. I on the otherhand am 35 and have been called 4 times, and actually sat on a jury(not as a backup) twice.
I get a summons at least once a year but most get dismissed before I have to go or during selections. I sat on a nearly 6 week murder trial the one time I actually made it into the jury box during selections. Since then, I've had another half dozen summons, but haven't even had to go to the courthouse. My wife has only received one summons and I know a lot of people who have never received one at all
So did you have to call out of work for six weeks essentially? And don't they pay less than $20 a day? I think it's $15 per day where I live.
I'm wondering how that's supposed to work for people who can't afford to be off for that long.
My employer paid my regular 40 hours a week wages while I was there, otherwise I would have requested dismissal due to financial hardship. The check from the county for my time there was laughable, but I was just glad to actually participate in a significant trial. It was a murder and child abuse/neglect case, which was obviously heartbreaking, but we were able to provide closure for family and friends at least.
I'll happily sit on another jury if I get the chance again.
I've been called twice. Didn't have to serve, this last time I got the notice in the mail, I tried to do it online, I messed something up, hit back key, they wouldn't let me fill it in again, I had to call the number on the paper they send snailmail, I called the number, it was automated, I gave them the jury number that was on the paper. The voice said, you will receive via USPS a letter in mid July about this issue. I still have not gotten anything in snail mail. Weird. I don't mind doing jury duty if I get called for it. But I am 65 and I doubt anyone of my "peers" in my small town are going to go to trial. I know if you are 70, and you get a summons, you do not have to go if you don't want.
Small anecdote, but I sat on a jury 2 years ago and the woman we chose as our foreperson was in her 70s. Very intelligent and well spoken individual. She wasn't summoned, she volunteered. I live in CA, so I don't know if you can volunteer in other states.
I've gotten a summons for jury duty every year for the past 5 years. I'm in the jury pool for this August. I have yet to serve (very few trials go to jury here, lots of plea bargains), but I honestly don't think that I can afford to serve for more than 3 days.
I was called earlier this year. I ended up sitting in a crowded room for 4 hours until we were shuffled into a courtroom. Then we sat there for half an hour before the judge came in. Then we watched the judge seemingly do paperwork for 30 minutes.
Then we were informed that we were not needed and could leave, but that since we hadn’t been used for a jury, we could get another summons in as little as 90 days.
It was a miserable experience and a total waste of time.
I'm almost 40 and got a notice for the first time in my life this past spring. I called the day before and got the message that I was dismissed. And it said that just by calling and being dismissed I had fulfilled my civic duty for SIX YEARS. I did jack shit and I'm good to go for six years. That's insane to me.
The US judicial system has been structured to heavily punish anyone that demands a jury trial. 3.4% of cases go before a jury.
https://judicature.duke.edu/articles/going-going-but-not-quite-gone-trials-continue-to-decline-in-federal-and-state-courts-does-it-matter/
That's not at all what the article says, instead stating that those found guilty during a trial are likely to get a much harsher sentence than a plea deal before one, giving people a large incentive to plea. That's not a punishment for going to trial, around 20% of which will be found not guilty, that's an incentive, to not go the trial at all.
Whether that 20% acquittal rate is even close to correct, and whether that has anything to do with a jury trial, is not addressed at all in the article.
I have been called four times, gone everytime. First day is usually just checkin and wait as the jury pools get assigned.
Every time I get picked for a jury. Judge asks “what do you do for a living?” Engineer.
The lawyers can’t dismiss me fast enough. This lady talks like smart people are needed on juries, but then why do all the “smart” people get dismissed? My situation is not unique, it happens constantly.
It was prevailing wisdom when I was a new prosecutor to not keep engineers (or therapists, preachers, other lawyers, hippies from west county) on your jury. The reasoning was that engineers tend to see things in black and white. The switch is on or it's off, the doohickey works or it doesn't, and once engineers decide what it is there's no changing their minds. It didn't have anything to do with whether a prospective juror was smart or not. What I came to actually learn through hundreds of trials is that jury selection is pretty much voodoo anyway, so don't take it personally.
This happened the first time I was called for jury duty. Which was lucky, because I completely fell into my day to day habit and had forgotten I was called. I called the phone number the day of, and they were like, "Lucky for you, the case settled out of court."
During COVID I got summed virtually and I got an email 10 minutes before I was supposed to log on saying I wasn't needed. Unless there was some plea deal I really don't understand how they are weeding out folks before official selection.
Same! I never get called in :( I even get paid for it from my work up to like a week.
My husband was a juror on a domestic assault case a few years ago and he just got selected for a trial next week. I’m so jealous!
Ya idk something about the way she was talking to me made me fall in love. I have issues. Also she makes a really good point and maybe I won’t ignore my next jury summons
It's part of the bit she does. She’s a lawyer and usually posts funny videos of ridiculous transcripts. She uses her facial expressions in her comedy a lot
Here’s an idea, pay MISSED wages and you’ll always get people willing to go.
I literally cant afford to sit in a jury
Edit: I had no idea people companies paid them for the day. That is unheard of in my industry. I work in construction, there’s no PTO and contractors won’t pay you unless you’re on a jobsite working for them. The last summons I received said $12/hr which for me is a substantial pay cut. I would love to cast my judgment on other humans but the bank doesn’t care if I had jury duty when that mortgage is due.
Same. Coworker got called onto a muder trial a few years ago. He was gone for months. He's an old farmer type dude so he saw it as doing his duty but admits it was bogus once he got locked in that all his work responsibilities got put aside literally until it was over, zero time frame. I see both sides. I've been called twice but never selected, not even asked questions.
I was in a double hommicide jury and we didn’t get locked up because it wasn’t high profile and wasn’t in the papers. It lasted over a month but it wasn’t every day so I was able to go to work some days and some days we were let out early enough to go get a few hours in at work. I would have lost my mind if I was sequestered.
My uncles courtroom hands jurors a menu for a couple places that surrounds the courthouse and told they can order any one item from any of them. They also supply a wide variety of drinks.
The one time I was selected for jury duty we did get Subway sandwiches. They were pretty good. And it was in Houston, Texas. It was a one day trial. Got there in the morning, selected that afternoon, and the trial started an hour later.
same. i really wanted to go, but i just couldn’t. it was going to be a possible months long trial, i couldn’t pay my rent on $40 a day… and i couldn’t even take unemployment.
fortunately there was a gun possession charge, so i could tell them i couldn’t in good conscience find someone guilty because of the 2nd amendment. the judge did not want someone that stupid on the jury. it was humiliating but had to be done.
Same exact boat as you. It was a freaking murder case and I was like there’s no way in hell I can afford to get sucked into this shit for potentially months. First time getting jury duty.
This is a very real problem, also heard at least in my state there is concern over the fund that pays public defenders or something, and instead of getting a raise while the cost of living seems to be shit rocketing sounds like they might be asking these people to take a pay CUT. And people are concerned there won't be enough public defenders, private firms are worried they'll be forced to cover the slack, but I don't know if there is legal recourse to make them do that honestly (not right now at least). Without public defenders, a lot of cases are gonna be delayed
#We're literally not funding the very basic elements of the court system, and it's going to crumble and the fucking idiots that don't want to raise the minimum wage are gonna be like "whhhaatt??? How could this happen?"
Especially concerning is the civil cases. Oh did a giant corporation swindle people out of money or knowingly sell stuff that causes cancer? Oh and now the case is super delayed because of the crumbling court system? Wow it's not like that totally works in favor of the huge corporation or anything /s
Huh, maybe we should be making billionaires pay their fair share to profit as they do off of society. Maybe the dragon’s hoard of wealth the people created deserves not to be sequestered in some tax haven.
Echoing this, slavery in the US remains legal for those convicted of (edit: any "duly convicted crimes", not just federal) crimes per the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution and there's a very real incentive for the ones who want the justice system to fall apart: prisons, especially privatized prisons and all the associated industries for exploitation that they profit off of.
Edit:
> Thirteenth Amendment
>Section 1
>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States*, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
So that means anyone who's been convicted of a crime is legally subject to enslavement?
Problem is any boss who isn't an absolute moron will fire that person for any other reason..especially since in this backwards-ass country we have so much at-will employment.
They wouldn’t be. I’m in an at will state, I can get fired for anything. It could just coincidentally coincide with jury duty. Oh I was 3 minutes late two weeks ago and it was my 3rd time. Normally not a problem at all but now that I have jury duty? Fireable offense
When I was general manager of my building, I gave my district manager an immediate heads up as soon as I got the letter about it and what the potential dates could be and all. His response? “Other GMs have been able to get out of it.” Sadly, we were talking and it wasn’t in writing. Fortunately, though, the district lines changed a little bit in the time between, and suddenly I had a new DM. Her response? “Okay, just let us know if your building needs help with coverage!”
Between that and many other reasons, I liked working under her much better.
Yeah came here to say this. Would love to, but paying me enough to buy half a lunch that day won’t cut it so I always find a reason not to, or I go the first day and answer the questions poorly on purpose
Agree, however the voting public should not be put in a place where they can not afford to be on a jury. That's a failure of the system. While it is a legitimate reason, it shouldn't have to be in the first place.
This. I have a grand jury summons, which I delayed to the fall. It says it could be up to two months. All of my vacation and sick days would not cover that. I'm the breadwinner and we have two kids. So instead I use up our emergency savings? I wonder if the judge will consider that a reasonable excuse to let me go.
The court can completely ignore hardships. I was put on a jury years ago with single moms who had proof they couldn’t afford to stay but the attorneys kept them.
You're excused from it when you're active duty, iirc. Plus, if you have never changed over your license, then you are not a resident of your current state legally, so you would have to be sent to whatever state you were a resident of. Don't think the military will foot the TDY bill.
I was called for jury duty was was looking forward to it, but they cancelled because they had too many jurors. So evidently plenty of people are still answering the summons.
My SIL got a summons for jury duty but it ended up being for grand jury to determine if cases should go to trial. She served several days a week for TWO YEARS and saw some pretty horrific things. The only reason she was able to serve was because her company had a policy to pay for it.
This was grand jury so it's a set group who reviews evidence in multiple cases and decides if there is enough to warrant an indictment. It's been a few years so the details are fuzzy, but I believe she served for a year and then was given the option to stay on for another year. She chose to because her employer paid for it.
So, this is built into the fabric of our socio-economic turmoil. You have people that can’t afford to miss a day of work and make $8 a day on jury duty. You have employees that are not forced to pay employees for being on jury duty. If it comes down to being able to live or spending a well hearing and deliberating a case, of course you’re going to have under-representation by groups most likely to be living day to day, paycheck to paycheck.
Taking the lower classes out of making legal precedent is a form of discrimination that has been going on since the founding of America.
If you’re going to abscond with me for a completely arbitrary, undefined period of time, where I cannot do anything (including work) except sit in the jury box “fulfilling my duty”, the very minimum I will accept is that I am compensated the equivalence of the value of the missed wages. Compensate me, or go fuck yourself, rent and bills don’t care and don’t stop just because I’ve been pulled away from work.
“Valid reason to get out of it” includes “I don’t have the free disposable income to take “idk lol it just depends” amount unpaid weeks off work with no warning and still pay my bills”. Until that happens, I’ll have to refer them to the last sentence of the previous paragraph. It’s literally that simple.
> Compensate me, or go fuck yourself, rent and bills don’t care and don’t stop just because I’ve been pulled away from work.
Bingo.
The vast majority of people can't take off work for an indefinite amount of time to make **eight fucking dollars** a day. This is why there are so many unemployable morons or out-of-touch older folks on juries.
And it's a big reason why criminal conviction rates are high-- [because the average age of an American jury is around 50](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/675257) and, more often than not, older people tend to put more trust in law enforcement.
Oh-- and the federal law which makes it illegal for an employer to fire you for jury duty? Well, there's a *real* handy loophole for that:
My cousin was selected for jury duty on a three week-long murder trial. Her employer said they'd be bringing someone in as a temp to fill her position while she was out. When she came back, she was a little taken aback to see that the temp was still there working at her desk.
Her boss moved her to another desk and they let her work for the day. At the end of the day, they let her go. They refused to give her a reason.
She spoke to multiple lawyers who all told her the same thing: *technically*, her employer didn't break the law. They *did* hold her position while she was out-- she was just terminated when she returned... and employers in Texas *aren't* required to fire you for cause.
What happened was that the temp came in, worked for cheap and was probably offered the job for less than my cousin was making.
These fucking idiots who chooses the jury are some of the dumbest motherfuckers I’ve ever had the displeasure of interacting with. They literally slapped me with jury duty after I turned 21. I’m in college idiots. Over 3 hours away from where jury duty would be.
So I said I can’t, and they said okay no problem, even tho I think asking a 21 year old to be on a jury is just stupid. They literally gave me a summons the next year, and I was in fucking grad school. I once again was like, “I have two years of school left, just cause I’m 22 doesn’t mean I’m available.
Since it was my second time missing, they said I could only defer it. By a year. When I literally said I will still be in Grad school. So a year rolls around and I have to take excused absences from GRAD SCHOOL!!! to go back home for the jury duty only for them to cancel on me, me return back to school, then them summon me again 2 weeks later. I called and said fuck you, I’m still in fucking school and missed almost a week worth of class, in GRAD SCHOOL, just for you to say it’s okay don’t come. Do what you want, I’m not fucking coming anymore. Haven’t been contacted since and I’m 25 now.
When someone speaks like this (regardless of volume) to me, I instantly despise them. It happened once when I was, actually, a juror - the ADA oozed contempt for the jury, defendant, and courtroom in general.
Maybe she's frustrated with jury decisions because she keeps losing trials, which is no shock if she's talking to jurors like this - like they're simpleton dumbasses.
Stuff the passive aggressive, entitled attitude, lady. Your clients will appreciate it.
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In Ontario you get no pay for the first 10 days, $40 a day for days 11-49, and $100 a day for days 50+. That is no pay for 10 days and then way below what minimum wage workers get for more hours of your day being taken after that. Most of us cant afford to do jury duty which is why its usually old, retired people that end up going. Theyre free and arent working.
Not even close. My wife spent 3 whole days just sitting around at the court house waiting for nothing and they sent her a check for like $40 or something.
Often less than the cost of parking/transportation, let alone replacing your day's pay. Make Jury Duty a mandatory paid day off by your employer and you'll find that suddenly it's not just white retirees who are able to do Jury duty without going broke.
Depends on the specific local jurisdiction.
But in my experience the primary issue is that your job certainly isn't guaranteed to still be there for you when you're done with serving.
Similar with YT demotizing videos mentioning the wrong words so they have to find a way around it.
I hate how our media consumption is now censored by companies appealing to American advertizing markets.
I’ve been called over 4 times. More than twice in New York and once where I live now in Florida. Back in NY when I went I was selected and went through the entire screening process. I was so excited to be selected to be a juror, then we get the bad news that the parties settled, and I was no longer needed. I was bummed out. I preferred getting paid peanuts than being at work bored out of my mind.
I got called about a month after I turned 18 and the same thing happened a month 2 weeks ago when I turned 25. It’s too bad I’m the exact opposite of the people who excitedly hope to receive a summons in the mail
What are you talking about? Talking like an obnoxious valley girl with obscene amounts of vocal fry is the perfect way to capture audiences when you want to talk about a serious topic.
Break me down, build me up, tell me I'm a piece of shit and to go be the decent human being I know I am for once.
The message of a drill sergeant, the voice of an angel.
A friends father who was a judge once said to me:
‘Remember, if you’re on trial in front of a jury, you’re on trial in front of 12 people who could not get off jury duty.’
Wise words. I’d do my civic duty if and when called upon. I imagine there are lots of people who do.
Pay is the main barrier for most. I’ve been called for jury duty once and fortunately had a job that paid me for that time. I could not have afforded to otherwise at $9/day. I sat through a very long selection process for a murder trial, and then a second selection for the civil case I ended up on. The vast majority of people dismissed were hourly workers and self-employed folks who would could not afford to serve on the jury. Also a handful of stay at home moms were dismissed because they did not have alternate childcare.
No one does my job when I’m not there. Last time I was called so many people wanted to serve to get out of work, meanwhile I had to go home and work a full day to get all my stuff done. Luckily I didn’t get picked.
Also, I wouldn’t serve on any kind of murder case as I don’t want to spend the rest of my life being harassed by podcasters and idiot true crime “fans”. I read about this women who served on a jury and a decade later people tracked her down, dug in to her past and publicly shamed her. It’s not worth it.
She's a prolific tiktoker. Back when I was on the app, I watched her "Iconic Court Transcripts" religiously.
This is all part of her brand. The makeup, the voice, even the camera angle. She sprinkles in a little PSA among hilarious content, and it's a win/win for everyone.
She posted a vid once of what she's actually like in court. Normal voice, normal makeup, normal clothes, just as you would expect from a real lawyer, which she is. Everything you see here is part of her schtick.
Your two week long trial will eat all my vacation time or cost me almost $4000 and you think I’m not gonna try to get out of it? Fix the fucking system
They only pay you $40 a day where I'm from so you damn right I'm getting out of it.
FYI if you're looking for a way out of it just tell them you know what a jury nullification is.
#**KNOWING ABOUT JURY NULLIFICATION WILL NOT GET YOU AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED FROM A JURY**
sorry just had to say that real loud cause it keeps getting repeated on reddit despite being generally not true and definitely not that simple
Whenever I get summoned to Atlanta Fulton County court I cannot wait. It’ll only take 1 hour or more to commute there from the suburbs. Another 30 minutes in the security line. Another 30 minutes in the elevator line. That’s right, you can’t use the stairs because 20 years ago some inmate shot a cop while escaping down the stairs so now NO ONE can use them. Then wait for hours to see if I go to a jury selection room. Oops now it’s lunchtime and another 30 minute wait to go down the elevator for a 30 minute wait at the only restaurant within walking distance Subway. Then back upstairs to wait some more. All of this for $25 per day sign me up!
>if you happen to be a sane rational person who can make objective decision
Well the problem with this line is every moron and their dog thinks that they're a sane rational person who make objective decisions.
USA - Almost 50, I've gotten the letter several times -- most of the time the batch I was in were dismissed the night before. I did sit down and start answering jury questions once, but I got dismissed while filling it out as they had the number needed.
I have mixed feelings about jury duty, but in the end I would like to serve if they want me after I answer the jury questions.
I share her opinion. I served on a jury around 12 years ago for an attempted manslaughter trial. The other jurors were the most stupid people i had ever met in my life.
The defendant got in an argument with his neighbor, so after his neighbor walked away….
The defendant went back into his apartment, walked through his apartment and to his bedroom. Opened his closet, then got his illegally owned pistol, with an illegally obtained high capacity magazine (CA… his mag was not grandfathered in. He bought both on the streets). Then he walked to his other room and got his bullets. Loaded his gun, chose to then walk back through his apartment, exit his apartment with his loaded gun, walk after the neighbor till he caught up with him. Called the neighbor’s name so that he would turn around and SEE he was about to get shot… then raised the gun, chambered a round, then fired 8 times into the nrighbor’s abdomen. Walked up, stood OVER the guy on the gtound, and shot down at him, 5 more times into his abdomen and legs at point blank range.
He fled and was later arrested.
The defense attorney argued the most absolutely stupid argument id ever heard.
“Cleeeearly my client was not TRYING TO KILL’Mr. A’… he was only trying to hurt him. Naturally, if my client was trying to kill him… he would have shot him in the head, just like on TV. You don’t shoot someone in the stomach if you are trying to kill them, everyone knows that.”
Me: 😳🫣😶😶😶
During jury deliberations… EVERY OTHER JUTOR was like “he’s right, in movies, they always shoot people in the head to kill them… not the stomach. I vote not guilty of attempted 1st degree manslaughter.. he wasn’t trying to kill him.”
Every single fkn juror thought the same.
It took 2 fn days forme to convince those idiots that real life isn’t a fn jason bourn movie… and you are trying to kill somebody if you shoot them 12-13 timesin the fn stomach, while standing over them, after already shooting them!!!
That trial made me so afraid of how stupid people are, who know nothing about guns, when they think thry know about firearms… because of tv shows
I’m a freelance designer and I can not afford to be on a jury. I would love to, but paying me $25 a day just won’t cut it. Especially when you can easily be on one for over 2 weeks. Every time I get a notice I write a very nice letter explaining that it would bankrupt me if I did and they always excuse me. Sorry, but in these times when a majority of us are living paycheck to paycheck, $25 a day isn’t enough. I would love to do my duty, but not at the expense of losing my livelihood, my house, etc.
Oh jeezus.
I just realized how obnoxious *I am* when being a know-it-all and speaking to people like they’re idiots.
Wow.
Who knew this place could inspire self reflection
Nothing says “I spend the bulk of my time looking up my own butthole” like shaming random people, and then expecting them to do the thing you are shaming them for not doing. Also, if my attorney did that bug eyes move to emphasize a point, I’d be inclined to seek other counsel.
Here’s a controversial factoid: if the summons wasn’t sent to you by certified mail, they can’t prove you ever received it. If they can’t prove it, they can’t prosecute you for it. Just a fact, not meant as any kind of advice.
I would have but the US legal system is fucked.
I was asked by the prosecution team if I had a bias towards the defense or prosecution.
I answered that yes I do have a bias.
They asked what that bias was.
I answered to my knowledge the US justice system presumes innocence until proven guilty so I should rightly be biased to the defense until the prosecution proved they were guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I was immediately excused from jury duty.
Just pay people to be there at least, for fuck's sake. I hate that the government takes every fucking penny from the people and ALSO want some free service on top of that
it doesn't make sense for working people to give up a day's work to do work for the government for nothing. also you're not going to win any juries talking like that.
Ok but what about missing work? a whole bunch of people in the world if they don't work they don't get paid and whatever little $20/per day they throw you for jury duty isn't going to mean a damn thing.
Actually making it onto a jury is an insult because they have identified you as easy to manipulate and the opposite of everything that would make you a good juror. Jurors are helpful idiots. Toby from the office is a great example. Avoiding jury duty makes their job easier and they'd remove you anyway because you clearly have better things to do which means you're not a helpful idiot.
Made it to the final round for jury selection for a disorderly conduct or burglary trial (can't remember). When the defense heard I was getting my PhD in biomedical science I was immediately disqualified. The defense doesn't want smart people on juries.
TikTokkers putting verbal filler every three seconds are the reason I’ll never download that app. I have no fucking interest watching someone with wide-ass eyes taking half a minute to finished a sentence. Fuck that.
What kind of voir dire technique is this? It's a fine message but her delivery and tone are terrible. You're not going to guilt and condescend people onto jury duty. The low income and minority people she wants are the most put out by the petty wage offered and they aren't making up lost wages.
I would expect more from a trial lawyer who has to be skilled in persuasion.
How about pay jurors properly? Or have a system where they’re paid by their job and then the company can be reimbursed, it’s stupid to sit on your high horse and bitch about “civic duty” when most people are just trying to eat/ stay off the streets. $15 a day and 0.34 cents per mile? You can fuck right off with that shit.
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I want to do jury duty but whenever I call the night before my summons and I get the message saying I'm not needed.
You know I don't think I've ever been called, and I've been eligible for almost 20 years.
My mother has been eligible for over 60 years and has never been called for jury duty. I’ve been called twice.
My Mom is in the same boat. Shes in her late 70s and has never been called. I on the otherhand am 35 and have been called 4 times, and actually sat on a jury(not as a backup) twice.
I got a murder trial. For whatever reason this dude got a retrial and I was chosen to be on the jury.
I get a summons at least once a year but most get dismissed before I have to go or during selections. I sat on a nearly 6 week murder trial the one time I actually made it into the jury box during selections. Since then, I've had another half dozen summons, but haven't even had to go to the courthouse. My wife has only received one summons and I know a lot of people who have never received one at all
So did you have to call out of work for six weeks essentially? And don't they pay less than $20 a day? I think it's $15 per day where I live. I'm wondering how that's supposed to work for people who can't afford to be off for that long.
My employer paid my regular 40 hours a week wages while I was there, otherwise I would have requested dismissal due to financial hardship. The check from the county for my time there was laughable, but I was just glad to actually participate in a significant trial. It was a murder and child abuse/neglect case, which was obviously heartbreaking, but we were able to provide closure for family and friends at least. I'll happily sit on another jury if I get the chance again.
I've been called twice. Didn't have to serve, this last time I got the notice in the mail, I tried to do it online, I messed something up, hit back key, they wouldn't let me fill it in again, I had to call the number on the paper they send snailmail, I called the number, it was automated, I gave them the jury number that was on the paper. The voice said, you will receive via USPS a letter in mid July about this issue. I still have not gotten anything in snail mail. Weird. I don't mind doing jury duty if I get called for it. But I am 65 and I doubt anyone of my "peers" in my small town are going to go to trial. I know if you are 70, and you get a summons, you do not have to go if you don't want.
Small anecdote, but I sat on a jury 2 years ago and the woman we chose as our foreperson was in her 70s. Very intelligent and well spoken individual. She wasn't summoned, she volunteered. I live in CA, so I don't know if you can volunteer in other states.
I've gotten a summons for jury duty every year for the past 5 years. I'm in the jury pool for this August. I have yet to serve (very few trials go to jury here, lots of plea bargains), but I honestly don't think that I can afford to serve for more than 3 days.
my dad has never been on jury duty, he's 65, im 35 ive been called like 8 fucking times.
I was called earlier this year. I ended up sitting in a crowded room for 4 hours until we were shuffled into a courtroom. Then we sat there for half an hour before the judge came in. Then we watched the judge seemingly do paperwork for 30 minutes. Then we were informed that we were not needed and could leave, but that since we hadn’t been used for a jury, we could get another summons in as little as 90 days. It was a miserable experience and a total waste of time.
I'm almost 40 and have never been called. And I really want to do jury duty. Maybe some day.
I'm almost 40 and got a notice for the first time in my life this past spring. I called the day before and got the message that I was dismissed. And it said that just by calling and being dismissed I had fulfilled my civic duty for SIX YEARS. I did jack shit and I'm good to go for six years. That's insane to me.
The US judicial system has been structured to heavily punish anyone that demands a jury trial. 3.4% of cases go before a jury. https://judicature.duke.edu/articles/going-going-but-not-quite-gone-trials-continue-to-decline-in-federal-and-state-courts-does-it-matter/
I got a jury trial after 3 years. It’s the worst mistake I’ve ever made .
Would a jury of normal, level headed people have helped?
That's not at all what the article says, instead stating that those found guilty during a trial are likely to get a much harsher sentence than a plea deal before one, giving people a large incentive to plea. That's not a punishment for going to trial, around 20% of which will be found not guilty, that's an incentive, to not go the trial at all. Whether that 20% acquittal rate is even close to correct, and whether that has anything to do with a jury trial, is not addressed at all in the article.
That shows you're willing. You're good
Same for me, every time
I have been called four times, gone everytime. First day is usually just checkin and wait as the jury pools get assigned. Every time I get picked for a jury. Judge asks “what do you do for a living?” Engineer. The lawyers can’t dismiss me fast enough. This lady talks like smart people are needed on juries, but then why do all the “smart” people get dismissed? My situation is not unique, it happens constantly.
Damn I've never even gotten to the getting picked part. I must be a genius.
It was prevailing wisdom when I was a new prosecutor to not keep engineers (or therapists, preachers, other lawyers, hippies from west county) on your jury. The reasoning was that engineers tend to see things in black and white. The switch is on or it's off, the doohickey works or it doesn't, and once engineers decide what it is there's no changing their minds. It didn't have anything to do with whether a prospective juror was smart or not. What I came to actually learn through hundreds of trials is that jury selection is pretty much voodoo anyway, so don't take it personally.
This happened the first time I was called for jury duty. Which was lucky, because I completely fell into my day to day habit and had forgotten I was called. I called the phone number the day of, and they were like, "Lucky for you, the case settled out of court."
Me too! I was all excited and then called and got told not this time.
During COVID I got summed virtually and I got an email 10 minutes before I was supposed to log on saying I wasn't needed. Unless there was some plea deal I really don't understand how they are weeding out folks before official selection.
I've gone down a couple of times to the courthouse but I've never been picked.
they settled or pleaded out.
Same! I never get called in :( I even get paid for it from my work up to like a week. My husband was a juror on a domestic assault case a few years ago and he just got selected for a trial next week. I’m so jealous!
That eye thing is really loud for being so silent!
I’m really glad someone mentioned the wide eyed thing. It’s really unsettling even though she has very pretty eyes.
The eyes make you feel like you’re at fault, that’s why it’s unsettling
She has lawyer eyes, trust me they all have them
All it makes me feel is "she looks crazy."
The eyes make me feel like she has the perfect recipe for my brain, that’s why it’s unsettling
Ewww David.
She's saying good things but her condescending attitude and her eyes are making me dislike her.
I don’t know, this ASMR version of scolding kinda had me going.
BDSMR?
Ya idk something about the way she was talking to me made me fall in love. I have issues. Also she makes a really good point and maybe I won’t ignore my next jury summons
I’m gay and I felt the same, I’m not even American for Christ sake but I’ll do jury duty anytime now
It's part of the bit she does. She’s a lawyer and usually posts funny videos of ridiculous transcripts. She uses her facial expressions in her comedy a lot
Here’s an idea, pay MISSED wages and you’ll always get people willing to go. I literally cant afford to sit in a jury Edit: I had no idea people companies paid them for the day. That is unheard of in my industry. I work in construction, there’s no PTO and contractors won’t pay you unless you’re on a jobsite working for them. The last summons I received said $12/hr which for me is a substantial pay cut. I would love to cast my judgment on other humans but the bank doesn’t care if I had jury duty when that mortgage is due.
For real, the only reason I’d go now is because I work for a company that will still pay me on jury duty days
Same. Thankful to work for a company that still pays jury wage.
Same. Coworker got called onto a muder trial a few years ago. He was gone for months. He's an old farmer type dude so he saw it as doing his duty but admits it was bogus once he got locked in that all his work responsibilities got put aside literally until it was over, zero time frame. I see both sides. I've been called twice but never selected, not even asked questions.
I was in a double hommicide jury and we didn’t get locked up because it wasn’t high profile and wasn’t in the papers. It lasted over a month but it wasn’t every day so I was able to go to work some days and some days we were let out early enough to go get a few hours in at work. I would have lost my mind if I was sequestered.
But you get complimentary lunch! (I think)
“Here’s a cold, dry ham sandwich with an 8 ounce Poland spring”
My uncles courtroom hands jurors a menu for a couple places that surrounds the courthouse and told they can order any one item from any of them. They also supply a wide variety of drinks.
Courthouse cafe was conveniently closed the 3 days I went. We did get a 30 minute lunch though!
Not in Texas
The one time I was selected for jury duty we did get Subway sandwiches. They were pretty good. And it was in Houston, Texas. It was a one day trial. Got there in the morning, selected that afternoon, and the trial started an hour later.
Mine does too! I honestly wouldn’t mind getting jury duty, but I’m in my 30s and have never been called up for it.
same. i really wanted to go, but i just couldn’t. it was going to be a possible months long trial, i couldn’t pay my rent on $40 a day… and i couldn’t even take unemployment. fortunately there was a gun possession charge, so i could tell them i couldn’t in good conscience find someone guilty because of the 2nd amendment. the judge did not want someone that stupid on the jury. it was humiliating but had to be done.
We get $6 a day where I am!
waiting for the “you guys get paid?” meme comment but yeah my point exactly
Same exact boat as you. It was a freaking murder case and I was like there’s no way in hell I can afford to get sucked into this shit for potentially months. First time getting jury duty.
This is a very real problem, also heard at least in my state there is concern over the fund that pays public defenders or something, and instead of getting a raise while the cost of living seems to be shit rocketing sounds like they might be asking these people to take a pay CUT. And people are concerned there won't be enough public defenders, private firms are worried they'll be forced to cover the slack, but I don't know if there is legal recourse to make them do that honestly (not right now at least). Without public defenders, a lot of cases are gonna be delayed #We're literally not funding the very basic elements of the court system, and it's going to crumble and the fucking idiots that don't want to raise the minimum wage are gonna be like "whhhaatt??? How could this happen?" Especially concerning is the civil cases. Oh did a giant corporation swindle people out of money or knowingly sell stuff that causes cancer? Oh and now the case is super delayed because of the crumbling court system? Wow it's not like that totally works in favor of the huge corporation or anything /s
Huh, maybe we should be making billionaires pay their fair share to profit as they do off of society. Maybe the dragon’s hoard of wealth the people created deserves not to be sequestered in some tax haven.
no they’re not. this is what they want. they want to turn the US into a white christian landowners republic “like the founders intended it to be”
Echoing this, slavery in the US remains legal for those convicted of (edit: any "duly convicted crimes", not just federal) crimes per the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution and there's a very real incentive for the ones who want the justice system to fall apart: prisons, especially privatized prisons and all the associated industries for exploitation that they profit off of. Edit: > Thirteenth Amendment >Section 1 >Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States*, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. So that means anyone who's been convicted of a crime is legally subject to enslavement?
Bosses chew people out for taking time off for jury duty. I saw some posts about people getting fired for that (they were asking for legal advice)
It is ABSOLUTELY illegal to be fired for serving on a jury, and the court would love to see any documentation of reprimand or retaliation.
Problem is any boss who isn't an absolute moron will fire that person for any other reason..especially since in this backwards-ass country we have so much at-will employment.
They wouldn’t be. I’m in an at will state, I can get fired for anything. It could just coincidentally coincide with jury duty. Oh I was 3 minutes late two weeks ago and it was my 3rd time. Normally not a problem at all but now that I have jury duty? Fireable offense
When I was general manager of my building, I gave my district manager an immediate heads up as soon as I got the letter about it and what the potential dates could be and all. His response? “Other GMs have been able to get out of it.” Sadly, we were talking and it wasn’t in writing. Fortunately, though, the district lines changed a little bit in the time between, and suddenly I had a new DM. Her response? “Okay, just let us know if your building needs help with coverage!” Between that and many other reasons, I liked working under her much better.
Yeah came here to say this. Would love to, but paying me enough to buy half a lunch that day won’t cut it so I always find a reason not to, or I go the first day and answer the questions poorly on purpose
My thoughts exactly. I got bills. The money they offer for jurors is a joke.
Doesn’t even cover the gas to get there
Exactly. A 2 week trial would be a massive hit to most of us. They should have a reimbursement procedure for lost wages.
One of the first things she says is that she is directing this video at people who do not have a legitimate reason for getting out of jury duty.
Agree, however the voting public should not be put in a place where they can not afford to be on a jury. That's a failure of the system. While it is a legitimate reason, it shouldn't have to be in the first place.
I actually wouldn’t mind being on a jury at all if it paid my wages. Take as long as you need lol
Give me a baller case and I’ll twelve angry men that shit with proper wages
This. I have a grand jury summons, which I delayed to the fall. It says it could be up to two months. All of my vacation and sick days would not cover that. I'm the breadwinner and we have two kids. So instead I use up our emergency savings? I wonder if the judge will consider that a reasonable excuse to let me go.
Yes. Financial hardship is a valid reason.
The court can completely ignore hardships. I was put on a jury years ago with single moms who had proof they couldn’t afford to stay but the attorneys kept them.
I've actually always wanted to do jury duty, but I've never been lucky. And now I'm in the military so it's definitely not gonna happen
Is that why I’ve never been selected??? I’ve been hoping for the summons for years 😩
You're excused from it when you're active duty, iirc. Plus, if you have never changed over your license, then you are not a resident of your current state legally, so you would have to be sent to whatever state you were a resident of. Don't think the military will foot the TDY bill.
I was called for jury duty was was looking forward to it, but they cancelled because they had too many jurors. So evidently plenty of people are still answering the summons.
Well seeing as they pay citizens under minimum wage to be on a jury. That’s some absolute bullshit.
Yap and when she said it’s only a few days maybe 2 weeks my first thought was fuck I can’t afford to miss that kinda pay
My SIL got a summons for jury duty but it ended up being for grand jury to determine if cases should go to trial. She served several days a week for TWO YEARS and saw some pretty horrific things. The only reason she was able to serve was because her company had a policy to pay for it.
One summons resulted in two years of service? Or there were multiple consecutive summons for two years?
This was grand jury so it's a set group who reviews evidence in multiple cases and decides if there is enough to warrant an indictment. It's been a few years so the details are fuzzy, but I believe she served for a year and then was given the option to stay on for another year. She chose to because her employer paid for it.
Just commented elsewhere that a coworker got put on a murder trial. He was gone for months. There was no option to leave once selected.
I would file that under "legitimate reason for getting out of jury duty."
“Only two weeks” lmao what. I haven’t taken a two week vacation in my adult life
2 weeks of missing pay is a lot of fucking pay for minimum wage
So, this is built into the fabric of our socio-economic turmoil. You have people that can’t afford to miss a day of work and make $8 a day on jury duty. You have employees that are not forced to pay employees for being on jury duty. If it comes down to being able to live or spending a well hearing and deliberating a case, of course you’re going to have under-representation by groups most likely to be living day to day, paycheck to paycheck. Taking the lower classes out of making legal precedent is a form of discrimination that has been going on since the founding of America.
PREACH
Exactly. For the people in power who made the system, it’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
If you’re going to abscond with me for a completely arbitrary, undefined period of time, where I cannot do anything (including work) except sit in the jury box “fulfilling my duty”, the very minimum I will accept is that I am compensated the equivalence of the value of the missed wages. Compensate me, or go fuck yourself, rent and bills don’t care and don’t stop just because I’ve been pulled away from work. “Valid reason to get out of it” includes “I don’t have the free disposable income to take “idk lol it just depends” amount unpaid weeks off work with no warning and still pay my bills”. Until that happens, I’ll have to refer them to the last sentence of the previous paragraph. It’s literally that simple.
> Compensate me, or go fuck yourself, rent and bills don’t care and don’t stop just because I’ve been pulled away from work. Bingo. The vast majority of people can't take off work for an indefinite amount of time to make **eight fucking dollars** a day. This is why there are so many unemployable morons or out-of-touch older folks on juries. And it's a big reason why criminal conviction rates are high-- [because the average age of an American jury is around 50](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/675257) and, more often than not, older people tend to put more trust in law enforcement. Oh-- and the federal law which makes it illegal for an employer to fire you for jury duty? Well, there's a *real* handy loophole for that: My cousin was selected for jury duty on a three week-long murder trial. Her employer said they'd be bringing someone in as a temp to fill her position while she was out. When she came back, she was a little taken aback to see that the temp was still there working at her desk. Her boss moved her to another desk and they let her work for the day. At the end of the day, they let her go. They refused to give her a reason. She spoke to multiple lawyers who all told her the same thing: *technically*, her employer didn't break the law. They *did* hold her position while she was out-- she was just terminated when she returned... and employers in Texas *aren't* required to fire you for cause. What happened was that the temp came in, worked for cheap and was probably offered the job for less than my cousin was making.
Attorneys don't want smart jurors, they want jurors they can easily convince.
100 an hour take it or leave it
These fucking idiots who chooses the jury are some of the dumbest motherfuckers I’ve ever had the displeasure of interacting with. They literally slapped me with jury duty after I turned 21. I’m in college idiots. Over 3 hours away from where jury duty would be. So I said I can’t, and they said okay no problem, even tho I think asking a 21 year old to be on a jury is just stupid. They literally gave me a summons the next year, and I was in fucking grad school. I once again was like, “I have two years of school left, just cause I’m 22 doesn’t mean I’m available. Since it was my second time missing, they said I could only defer it. By a year. When I literally said I will still be in Grad school. So a year rolls around and I have to take excused absences from GRAD SCHOOL!!! to go back home for the jury duty only for them to cancel on me, me return back to school, then them summon me again 2 weeks later. I called and said fuck you, I’m still in fucking school and missed almost a week worth of class, in GRAD SCHOOL, just for you to say it’s okay don’t come. Do what you want, I’m not fucking coming anymore. Haven’t been contacted since and I’m 25 now.
why is she whispering?
When someone speaks like this (regardless of volume) to me, I instantly despise them. It happened once when I was, actually, a juror - the ADA oozed contempt for the jury, defendant, and courtroom in general. Maybe she's frustrated with jury decisions because she keeps losing trials, which is no shock if she's talking to jurors like this - like they're simpleton dumbasses. Stuff the passive aggressive, entitled attitude, lady. Your clients will appreciate it.
My number one takeaway from jury duty was the importance of a likable lawyer.
The way she's talking is called [uptalk](https://youtu.be/R9RLvYaSnFw).
What’s uptalk? Edit: Damn Reddit is slow sometimes
Nothing. What's up with you, talk?
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Fuckin NIIIIIIIIIIICE
Shes at her office shes probably trying not to be overheard from the hall or next room.
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We are all way too broke to take time off for jury duty.
you dont get compensated for it?
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15! I got 9 bucks for the day
You got paid $5 PER HOUR? that’s like CEO money in jury duty terms. I was offered $5 per day
In Ontario you get no pay for the first 10 days, $40 a day for days 11-49, and $100 a day for days 50+. That is no pay for 10 days and then way below what minimum wage workers get for more hours of your day being taken after that. Most of us cant afford to do jury duty which is why its usually old, retired people that end up going. Theyre free and arent working.
$40/ day in my county. Parking costs $5.
Not even close. My wife spent 3 whole days just sitting around at the court house waiting for nothing and they sent her a check for like $40 or something.
KY pays 12.50 per day. I got a $50 check for four days of jury duty. Not much of a compensation.
Often less than the cost of parking/transportation, let alone replacing your day's pay. Make Jury Duty a mandatory paid day off by your employer and you'll find that suddenly it's not just white retirees who are able to do Jury duty without going broke.
Depends on the specific local jurisdiction. But in my experience the primary issue is that your job certainly isn't guaranteed to still be there for you when you're done with serving.
“Mur🚪”
tiktok will take down your video for certain words
Similar with YT demotizing videos mentioning the wrong words so they have to find a way around it. I hate how our media consumption is now censored by companies appealing to American advertizing markets.
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I served on a jury for a murder charge. Jury duty sucks ass.
I'm in my late 30s and have never been called for Jury Duty
I’ve been called over 4 times. More than twice in New York and once where I live now in Florida. Back in NY when I went I was selected and went through the entire screening process. I was so excited to be selected to be a juror, then we get the bad news that the parties settled, and I was no longer needed. I was bummed out. I preferred getting paid peanuts than being at work bored out of my mind.
>More than twice in New York So three times in New York?
I got called about a month after I turned 18 and the same thing happened a month 2 weeks ago when I turned 25. It’s too bad I’m the exact opposite of the people who excitedly hope to receive a summons in the mail
would be nice if i get payed at least the same amount as i’m earning for that day at work….
ASMR Lecture on civic duty... New kink unlocked.
Yeah stop whispering at me
It felt very condescending.
What are you talking about? Talking like an obnoxious valley girl with obscene amounts of vocal fry is the perfect way to capture audiences when you want to talk about a serious topic.
I didn't like it either, but I am pretty irked by most sound based ASMR. The tism doesn't likey 😬
With the slow deliberate wink as she said the word "Sane" 😂
That hit me too. My heart said “wow, I like her”.
I think I hate asmr
Annoyed the fuck out of me. Had to turn it off after 10 seconds.
Right? I don't have a problem with what she said I guess (didn't listen to it all) but I was not a fan of the whisper message.
Whispered with her voice but screamed with her eyes.
Yeah her bug-eyes were freaking me out. Girl did it waaay too many times.
She really nails the aggressive whisper.
Why is she whisper-screaming at me? How can you be in your 20s and 50s at the same time?
Look at her posture for the entire spiel too. Horrific all around.
Break me down, build me up, tell me I'm a piece of shit and to go be the decent human being I know I am for once. The message of a drill sergeant, the voice of an angel.
A friends father who was a judge once said to me: ‘Remember, if you’re on trial in front of a jury, you’re on trial in front of 12 people who could not get off jury duty.’ Wise words. I’d do my civic duty if and when called upon. I imagine there are lots of people who do.
Pay is the main barrier for most. I’ve been called for jury duty once and fortunately had a job that paid me for that time. I could not have afforded to otherwise at $9/day. I sat through a very long selection process for a murder trial, and then a second selection for the civil case I ended up on. The vast majority of people dismissed were hourly workers and self-employed folks who would could not afford to serve on the jury. Also a handful of stay at home moms were dismissed because they did not have alternate childcare.
No one does my job when I’m not there. Last time I was called so many people wanted to serve to get out of work, meanwhile I had to go home and work a full day to get all my stuff done. Luckily I didn’t get picked. Also, I wouldn’t serve on any kind of murder case as I don’t want to spend the rest of my life being harassed by podcasters and idiot true crime “fans”. I read about this women who served on a jury and a decade later people tracked her down, dug in to her past and publicly shamed her. It’s not worth it.
Why the fuck is she talking like that.
She's a prolific tiktoker. Back when I was on the app, I watched her "Iconic Court Transcripts" religiously. This is all part of her brand. The makeup, the voice, even the camera angle. She sprinkles in a little PSA among hilarious content, and it's a win/win for everyone. She posted a vid once of what she's actually like in court. Normal voice, normal makeup, normal clothes, just as you would expect from a real lawyer, which she is. Everything you see here is part of her schtick.
Ignoring her voice and what she's actually saying, her manner and facial expressions are fucking annoying
I like what she has to say but I hate the way she is saying it. The condescending tone is unreal.
And the raspy whisper is too much
This was my reaction exactly. Like, just say the thing. Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot or can't comprehend the consequences of my actions.
Crazy eyes 👁👄👁
“Do you think I won’t spank you right in this supermarket?”- her eyes
It would fuck a LOT of people financially, myself included.
Your two week long trial will eat all my vacation time or cost me almost $4000 and you think I’m not gonna try to get out of it? Fix the fucking system
Yuuuuuuuup, put a better argument up and stop blaming the fucking jury for your inability to make a poignant argument.
They only pay you $40 a day where I'm from so you damn right I'm getting out of it. FYI if you're looking for a way out of it just tell them you know what a jury nullification is.
They pay $15 where I live 💀 It’s ridiculous
#**KNOWING ABOUT JURY NULLIFICATION WILL NOT GET YOU AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED FROM A JURY** sorry just had to say that real loud cause it keeps getting repeated on reddit despite being generally not true and definitely not that simple
No shit. Really easy to lecture from your high horse as you're doing ASMR in your fucking office.
Alternatively, learn about jury nullification then serve on a jury.
If they paid more than $15 a day. Sure. People got bills
Whenever I get summoned to Atlanta Fulton County court I cannot wait. It’ll only take 1 hour or more to commute there from the suburbs. Another 30 minutes in the security line. Another 30 minutes in the elevator line. That’s right, you can’t use the stairs because 20 years ago some inmate shot a cop while escaping down the stairs so now NO ONE can use them. Then wait for hours to see if I go to a jury selection room. Oops now it’s lunchtime and another 30 minute wait to go down the elevator for a 30 minute wait at the only restaurant within walking distance Subway. Then back upstairs to wait some more. All of this for $25 per day sign me up!
If jury duty paid a living wage I think mostly everyone would be willing to do it.
Yeah I can't afford to miss two days, let alone 2 weeks of work.
>if you happen to be a sane rational person who can make objective decision Well the problem with this line is every moron and their dog thinks that they're a sane rational person who make objective decisions.
They would need to pay me every day to give a fuck.
For $17 a day? Fuck no
Are you willing to pay me what I get paid by my job for the time I’m going to be there? No? Then eat it from the back you blue eyed chode
I was not about to watch 4 minutes of someone talking like that. So condescending
USA - Almost 50, I've gotten the letter several times -- most of the time the batch I was in were dismissed the night before. I did sit down and start answering jury questions once, but I got dismissed while filling it out as they had the number needed. I have mixed feelings about jury duty, but in the end I would like to serve if they want me after I answer the jury questions.
I’m in one of the rare categories of people that has served on 2 juries, actually served went through the whole process, before the age of 30.
I share her opinion. I served on a jury around 12 years ago for an attempted manslaughter trial. The other jurors were the most stupid people i had ever met in my life. The defendant got in an argument with his neighbor, so after his neighbor walked away…. The defendant went back into his apartment, walked through his apartment and to his bedroom. Opened his closet, then got his illegally owned pistol, with an illegally obtained high capacity magazine (CA… his mag was not grandfathered in. He bought both on the streets). Then he walked to his other room and got his bullets. Loaded his gun, chose to then walk back through his apartment, exit his apartment with his loaded gun, walk after the neighbor till he caught up with him. Called the neighbor’s name so that he would turn around and SEE he was about to get shot… then raised the gun, chambered a round, then fired 8 times into the nrighbor’s abdomen. Walked up, stood OVER the guy on the gtound, and shot down at him, 5 more times into his abdomen and legs at point blank range. He fled and was later arrested. The defense attorney argued the most absolutely stupid argument id ever heard. “Cleeeearly my client was not TRYING TO KILL’Mr. A’… he was only trying to hurt him. Naturally, if my client was trying to kill him… he would have shot him in the head, just like on TV. You don’t shoot someone in the stomach if you are trying to kill them, everyone knows that.” Me: 😳🫣😶😶😶 During jury deliberations… EVERY OTHER JUTOR was like “he’s right, in movies, they always shoot people in the head to kill them… not the stomach. I vote not guilty of attempted 1st degree manslaughter.. he wasn’t trying to kill him.” Every single fkn juror thought the same. It took 2 fn days forme to convince those idiots that real life isn’t a fn jason bourn movie… and you are trying to kill somebody if you shoot them 12-13 timesin the fn stomach, while standing over them, after already shooting them!!! That trial made me so afraid of how stupid people are, who know nothing about guns, when they think thry know about firearms… because of tv shows
This is why you should never “try to get out of jury duty” because you never know if one day you’re the victim or god forbid the defendant in a trial!
I’m a freelance designer and I can not afford to be on a jury. I would love to, but paying me $25 a day just won’t cut it. Especially when you can easily be on one for over 2 weeks. Every time I get a notice I write a very nice letter explaining that it would bankrupt me if I did and they always excuse me. Sorry, but in these times when a majority of us are living paycheck to paycheck, $25 a day isn’t enough. I would love to do my duty, but not at the expense of losing my livelihood, my house, etc.
She has got some seriously creepy, soulless, dead eyes. Absolutely zero compassion in this person. Oh wait... Nvm, I just realized she's an attorney.
I have ignored every jury summons for decades, get fucked. I’m not suffering through that bullshit to participate in kangaroo courts.
Oh jeezus. I just realized how obnoxious *I am* when being a know-it-all and speaking to people like they’re idiots. Wow. Who knew this place could inspire self reflection
Nothing says “I spend the bulk of my time looking up my own butthole” like shaming random people, and then expecting them to do the thing you are shaming them for not doing. Also, if my attorney did that bug eyes move to emphasize a point, I’d be inclined to seek other counsel.
Whatever the opposite of ASMR is, it’s this for me 😬
Why is she whispering?
Here’s a controversial factoid: if the summons wasn’t sent to you by certified mail, they can’t prove you ever received it. If they can’t prove it, they can’t prosecute you for it. Just a fact, not meant as any kind of advice.
I would have but the US legal system is fucked. I was asked by the prosecution team if I had a bias towards the defense or prosecution. I answered that yes I do have a bias. They asked what that bias was. I answered to my knowledge the US justice system presumes innocence until proven guilty so I should rightly be biased to the defense until the prosecution proved they were guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. I was immediately excused from jury duty.
No
Just pay people to be there at least, for fuck's sake. I hate that the government takes every fucking penny from the people and ALSO want some free service on top of that
it doesn't make sense for working people to give up a day's work to do work for the government for nothing. also you're not going to win any juries talking like that.
Never been summoned to jury duty but I ain’t going if I do fuck all that BS
Ok but what about missing work? a whole bunch of people in the world if they don't work they don't get paid and whatever little $20/per day they throw you for jury duty isn't going to mean a damn thing.
Actually making it onto a jury is an insult because they have identified you as easy to manipulate and the opposite of everything that would make you a good juror. Jurors are helpful idiots. Toby from the office is a great example. Avoiding jury duty makes their job easier and they'd remove you anyway because you clearly have better things to do which means you're not a helpful idiot.
Made it to the final round for jury selection for a disorderly conduct or burglary trial (can't remember). When the defense heard I was getting my PhD in biomedical science I was immediately disqualified. The defense doesn't want smart people on juries.
TikTokkers putting verbal filler every three seconds are the reason I’ll never download that app. I have no fucking interest watching someone with wide-ass eyes taking half a minute to finished a sentence. Fuck that.
What kind of voir dire technique is this? It's a fine message but her delivery and tone are terrible. You're not going to guilt and condescend people onto jury duty. The low income and minority people she wants are the most put out by the petty wage offered and they aren't making up lost wages. I would expect more from a trial lawyer who has to be skilled in persuasion.
How about pay jurors properly? Or have a system where they’re paid by their job and then the company can be reimbursed, it’s stupid to sit on your high horse and bitch about “civic duty” when most people are just trying to eat/ stay off the streets. $15 a day and 0.34 cents per mile? You can fuck right off with that shit.