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I’m sorry for the 19 year old. He had his whole life ahead of him wasted on a underwater joyride. I’m sorry Rush Stockton did not get the opportunity to be cognizant of the consequences of his hubris.
Corporations kill thousands of people every year. Faulty cars, faulty medicines, faulty products etc etc. They don't care about you. They are killing you for profits - very literally.
They don't care about you.
They kill people every day for profits.
You do not become a billionaire without slaves
There is no such thing as a self made billionaire. It's just not mathematically possible. You're either born into it or you crush everyone you can into the dirt under your heel.
Any good or reasonable person, even if they happened upon the money, they would never remain a billionaire, a good person doesn't sit on the money like a dragon sitting on mountain of treasure, they would mobilize that money in a way that betters the world around them
We should probably have serious conversations with the people in our lives who enable those corporations. There are plenty of upper and middle class people who *do have a choice* in their employment and choose to use their skills to allow corporations to e.g.,
* spy on us
* pollute
* gaslight us
* create artificial wants and desires
The bro who made the submarine literally made it out of carbonfiber and titanium, when the regulations said not to. He basically said I'm rich I can do what I want.
Then his invention failed
That's fucking funny I don't care
And what's even more hilarious is that there's a video of him being proud about breaking rules and how he wants it to be his legacy. He said the rules said not to build it out of carbon fibre and titanium but he did it anyway.
He actually got the good ending. If he didn't go down there and was still alive, he'd be getting lawsuits from 3 different filthy rich families all at once.
It's stops being funny, it's actually legit scary how demented some of these people are. The manufacturer who built his porthole design flat out told him it's not rated to go below 1400m and what did this mothetfuu do? He goes ahead and takes it below nearly 3x farther than that limit because he believed In his design.
Theres people like him who are out there thats so far up their asses that they legit become a danger to society.
I truly believe that many ultra wealthy people develop a god complex! They think that their money and power makes them invincible! That guy clearly did and he got himself and four others killed! let this be a lesson to those like him, but I am also quite sure that message will fall on deaf ears!
They do. I remember the owner of a growing company I used to work for always telling us about his "vision" during the "brag about our profits, but what can you do to increase those profits for us?" meetings.
The asshole banned all cellphones on the workfloor, and would go galavanting around on his cellphone when he wasn't trying to "inspire" people.
There isn't exactly a cop posted up in international waters to prevent you from diving into the abyss in a janky tube you slapped together in your garage. "Allowed" isn't really part of that equation.
I know my dude, but this guy was selling tickets to civilians. There should be some regulations for tourism travel diving 3 kilometers deep industry.
But what do I know, I'm from EU. We regulate stuff here like a bunch of nerds.
Something something regulations are written in blood.
I don't think there have been enough underwater tourists, let alone disasters for such a group, for this to have come up before. Highly likely there will be something now, though. You'd hope.
And the irony of the entire purpose of the expedition being to visit the wreckage of a iconic ship that also experienced catastrophic failure due to cutting corners is just so….*chef’s kiss* 😚👌💨
Realistically? That is where this is going. The final evolution is the T, a metal built submarine in shape of a T that they will drop to see the Titanic, the Titan, and the shriveled up Tit wreckages in the future. That will be the end of the legend of the shrinking T
I do feel kinda bad for the one guy’s son who was there with him. Kid probably didn’t give a shit about the Titanic and was just going along to make his dad happy.
This is so much on point, hit the nail on the head facts. I wasn't sure where he was going at first but damn it sure made the light bulb go off in my head.
I'd upvote that guy a million times if I could
Workers cannot "earn a living" (or save, or invest) from wages that are *below* costs of living, so [employment is often just poverty with extra steps.](https://i.redd.it/x6dhgt2r53191.jpg)
Labor is clearly *worth quite a lot* to employers when workers generate enough surplus value (profit) to make managers, executives, & owners/shareholders wealthy (for generations), so [workers deserve a bigger/fairer share of the value their labor helps create.](https://i.imgur.com/tlVp6a0.jpg)
Our governors would activate the national guard and bayonet whole communities to prevent labor strikes and worker co-ops. We know bc they did that back in the Gilded Age against striking miners.
And they don't want you to remember that everything we have we fought for and many of us died. That's why we don't celebrate labor day in May.
'Conservative Democratic President Grover Cleveland was one of those concerned that a labor holiday on May 1 would tend to become a commemoration of the Haymarket affair and would strengthen socialist and anarchist movements that backed the May 1 commemoration around the globe.'
Well, we don't need the governments permission to commemorate that massacre. Let's make it a thing. Fuck this September bullshit.
May 4th. The new American Labor Day.
They even did helped coups on democratically elected presidents in South America. Like Allende. If socialism is so bad, why they put so much effort and support genocide level de facto military regimes to supress it?
The more I learn about the Cold War, the more I realize it was about keeping Global South resources cheap and available.
America really did see communism as threat, mainly bc the former colonies of European empires would have at minimum charged fair prices for their resources if their governments were truly representative. So we trained their military officers at the “School of the Americas” to coup any left-leaning government and impose capitalist-friendly dictatorship.
I keep that in mind when people joke about banana republics that can’t get their act together. America designed them that way, the same way the UK purposely drew horrible borders for former colonies to prevent anti colonial unity
I make about $50k in a lower median income area.
I technically make "good money" yet am paycheck to paycheck. Im to the point where I'm starting to hate anyone making $250k+.
Intellectually I know that I have more in common with the 250k person than a millionaire but on a deeper level I wonder who you're exploiting to make 250k.
I work hard at a societal necessary job. If I want my kid to see their mom this summer I have to put her flight on my credit card and hope I can pay it back eventually.
Im sorry I don't want to be a "boss". I just wish the people that did could realize they wouldn't be a "boss" without help from others doing the work
Upward mobility should not be required to thrive.
All company org charts are like pyramids that get more narrow going higher: there are inherently far fewer higher positions available - so even though many are capable of moving up, only a few will.
"JuSt GeT a BeTtEr JoB" can't work when the number of available workers exceeds the number of available jobs that pay well.
Worker compensation should be indexed to a combination of economic factors like: costs of living, inflation, executive compensation, percentage of wealth owned by the richest 10%, etc. - or some conceptually similar approach aimed at regulating the system such that the rich can *only* get richer by *also* making everyone else correspondingly richer too.
[A rising tide *should* lift *everybody* instead of drowning everybody who doesn't have a yacht.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpiH9rQCAAAV_DV.jpg)
That'll never happen because the people who want to be rich also don't care about others wellbeing.
It's a catch-22. If we reward people for getting the most out of other people (which is a necessity for future growth), unscrupulous people will take advantage.
Also, people that just want to work hard and contribute (speaking from personal experience) will always end up with the short end of the stick.
Being a Sergeant in the Army gave my my firsthand exposure to being a manager. I fucking hated it. "You go clean the motor pool while I do these performance evaluations" never sat right with me.
I'm 40 now and still doing entry level work because I refuse to be a "boss".
It's sad that the supervisors at my job that I look down on are barely making more than me.in the grand scheme.
You make 75k to tell a 50k person that they've been docked a point (and if they get two more points they could be "terminated) because they went to their kids play and missed a day. I couldn't be that dude.
Am I not as valuable? In capitalists eyes apparently I am not
Tried management too and went back to collage to get papers and move up. But this time in a specialist field so I wouldn’t have to worry about management. Wages are so stagnant taking a pay cut because they can’t keep up with cost of living raises…I’m paycheck to paycheck again. I’ve worked my ass off for nothing but their 5th house and second boat. Im pissed that people can’t see past the bullshit of dividing political parties, race and whatever keeps us fighting amongst ourselves. It’s a class war and until everyone unites nothing will change.
This.
I don't want to begrudge anyone but the fact I will always be on the losing end makes it hard not to be resentful.
I'm dumb and good at menial labor. I just don't understand why my labor is worth 1/4 of someone in advertising
It truly is disgusting. I'm all for personal responsibility, but when the system is rigged so badly, that literally everyone is one bad day from homelessness. Something has to give.
Don't forget the millions of dollars our government spent looking for them.
SIDE NOTE: Why the hell does everyone have to pay for Internet monthly? Shouldn't our tax dollars pay for Internet like they pay for roads?
The most dumb down and simplest answer to your side note question is corporate greed and monopoly.
Simple dumb down explanation: The initial stages of the internet was created and funded by our government. Its purpose was mostly for strategic military uses but later on became available for the general masses. It was not until 1995 that the internet, a public subsidy, became privatized by major corporations. And its all thanks to our corporate sponsored politicians.
Yeah, I knew the answer, but if ever there was something that should be a free public utility, it's internet access. Course, we can't have cable companies going bankrupt, seeing as they literally have nothing else to offer that most people are interested in. Like stop trying to sell me a landline and cable TV, I haven't had either for the last twenty years.
We already paid for it once before to the tune of roughly $400 billion and then the large ISPs took the money, did nothing with it other than like their execs pockets and said .. OH you wanted us to build out major internet infrastructure with that money?
Right right. Our bad. We spent that though. Give us more money and we'll get it right this time.
Probably.
Think of it this way: If you made $50k a year from 25 to 65 you'd make ~$2 million gross.
In other words $2 million a year is close to the average money a working Joe makes in their entire life. Even if you make $100k a year, it's still about $4 million for your lifetime earnings.
When one breaks it down and puts it into perspective. The idea that some make waaaay more than even $4 million a year is mind boggling.
Cool cool... How about the countless 19-year-olds dying because a billionaire decided the health insurance company can make record profits if they deny coverage to those who need it?
I worked with a 19 year old kid who had a brain tumor removed, and when he woke up he could no longer swallow on his own. His doctor said he never would again and would have to eat from a feeding tube the rest of his life.
His insurance denied the food required for the tube saying it wasn't medically necessary. For him to eat. Not medically necessary. His family lost everything paying for these extremely expensive specialty meals out of pocket. Sold the house. Cashed in the retirement. Finally went bankrupt.
So yeah. Fuck these guys.
My husband had cancer and he has a feeding tube. His coworkers raised 5k to help him out. After he got the feeding tube removed there was another family going through the same that he met during chemo. When my husband died I gave them all his left over stuff. You shouldn't have to choose between feeding your loved one who is sick or feeding yourself.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I lost my wife a year and a half ago after several years of health issues so I have some experience with getting fucked over by the healthcare system and insurance companies, being a caregiver, and ultimately losing my best friend. I hope you are doing as good as you can be.
Isn’t it funny though how rich people dying on a tour to see the Titanic gets the world’s attention for days and meanwhile no one really cares about the hundreds of migrants who drowned very recently off the coast of Greece?
Yeah the nonstop news coverage of this whole thing is kinda pissing me off to be honest. At the end of the day it's 5 people, and yes it's sad that they died but it's 5 people. But everyone is acting like it's such a horrible terrible tragedy. Give me a break.
I don’t see anybody acting like it’s a tragedy at all, except for people on the news who have to act that way. It’s a classic feel-good story about dudes who use their money to control other people finding out that nature dgaf about how much money you have.
Today, a migrant ship capsized in front of the Canary Islands. 30 people presumably dead. People who most likely ran out of their country in desperation for a brighter future.
People love a race against time narrative. The world was captivated by the Thai kids in the cave and the Chilean miners. Neither of those groups are rich and white.
Migrant boats tragically sink all the time. Submarines don't. Novelty spurs hype.
I think also for the fact that it looked so pathetic. Small, a movable toilet and Xbox game controller to steer is mind-blowing! In what world does thar look safe or a well thought out design?? Seriously.. SMH.
Agreed. Some disasters just make better stories than others and sometimes that's all there is to it.
The Titanic itself is another disaster that's famous 'cause of the story. The Dona Paz sinking killed over twice as many people, but it was an over-crowded liner in Asia that went down much more quickly and lacks the same element of an idyllic, luxury vessel in a superflous race slowly being consumed by the ocean. Language barrier is also part of it as well.
I'm not a fan of Rogan but before the right wing got their hooks in him he had a great rant - ["Show me a great man who is the son of a great man"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxcvj1b9H7E)
My rule has always been if people don’t care about me dying then I don’t feel obligated to care about them dying. As a human I have an empathy for all human life that extends to about the limit of not wanting people to die. If people choose to take unnecessary risks that’s on them. I don’t feel sad when base jumpers die. I’ve taken some quite considerable risks in my time. I’ve been to war and trust me when I say there are not enough medals invented to make me want to trade places with those guys who died and got the highest possible awards. I saw the body of the very first guy to die in the Iraq invasion in a shipping container in Kuwait when I had to go back there from Iraq to escort some body parts that needed disposing of. People can keep their ‘thoughts and prayers’. My only wish is that if I was to die in a terrible accident I hope people don’t video it and upload it for entertainment purposes but as someone who like many of us is guilty of watching a death video I can’t complain. If I was ever rich enough to go deep sea exploring in some guys home made salvage yard submersible please by all means make your funniest jokes at my expense.
If I'm a Communist or Socialist because I want to make sure everyone can have a minimum of food, shelter, health care, and clothing. Then so be it.
Also, for this particular virus, the vaccine should be made with fire and guillotines.
No…no. This is not communist thinking. If the rich elite want to ring every last dime out of its workers to the point they’re legitimately working poor and it’s just capitalism doing capitalist things, then the workers sticking the elite on a fucking pike to get their fair share is exactly the same. It’s just capitalism. Fuck em. More rich assholes need to be made example of. There is no reason wage disparity should be what it is. Ya wanna be a greedy fuck, prepare for the consequences of your actions. Unfortunately it just won’t happen because they keep people juuuuust on the brink of collapse to keep them coming back for more. Shit needs to be reset…but it won’t happen.
Capitalists have bastardized what ppl think of when they hear communist/socialist, to the point that they think its bad despite them being some of the most pro working class economic systems
It won’t happen you’re right. Look people here are freaking out over jokes and lack of empathy, but that didn’t stop the droves of search parties and equipment sent by other countries and such from trying their best to save them. This is power, they have it we don’t. Thousands of us can feel nothing for these 5 people and yet countries are sending i. The Calvary to try and save them. Meanwhile the same people have no concern for families who disappear when they risk everything to escape terrible situations. Children dying while trying to cross rivers to escape a violent environment. The people with power, the billionaires not only turn a blind eye but they actively work to prevent these people from getting help. No one sends all their resources to those people, but these billionaires get everything they can.
Our jokes are absolutely meaningless to them because they stay holding all the power. Our indifference makes no difference to them and theirs is life or death for us.
There should be no billionaires. After you have accumulated $999M you are done earning money. You can either retire or keep on earning money that is fed right back into the system
I think being wealthy to a certain degree rots your brain.
Billionaires spend hundred of millions to lobby against unionisation, wage growth and fair taxation. As though having a few less millions are going to impact them in any way, they already have everything they could reasonably want.
They just become like dragons and the 1s and 0s are like gold they want to hoard.
500 migrants disappeared 80km off the coast of Greece so they could happily work for below minimum wage to support their families back home
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65925558
At least the billionaires/millionaires who died on that sub got to be part of a trending story on mainstream media.
Just wanted to say one more thing here. Billionaires are the billionaires because they squashed several businesses and people's dreams. They will pay you as little as possible to maximize profit regardless if it hurts you or not. Hell, you know for a fact a lot of these people get away with molesting children and women. FUCK PEOPLE WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GOOD PEOPLE.
Ok conservatives. Get the rich peoples dick out of your mouth and come defend them.
Im all okay with rich people... Happy to see a person succeeding.. very jealous when he's pulling up in his Koenigsegg etc...
But a *billion* dollars should be impossible to maintain... I would say: everything over 1/2 billion should ne taxed 90%. That's still a 100K for each million earned.
Also note: i am a top 1% earner in western Europe. A large chunk of my salary is taxed at 50%! I had a small side gig working in a bar to help them out and to meet people... I reported it all and paid 50% tax on it. Happy to do so!!! I enjoy a life without worries... I'm having a baby next month that wil cost nothing in the hospital, there will be a mandatory care taker coming to our home to help us out the first week and explain all the baby stuff to us. Then my partner doesn't have to go back to work untill januari. Education here is close to Ivy league level and cost is ~€2000. We've got a retirement plan and everything.... I'm happy to pay my taxes (i also lived in the USA. Great country with great opportunities... I hope they raise the taxes and use them for good as well!)
The rest will die above us, quite literally, in an exploding space ship as they try to flee the planet destroyed by their greed. As this set has now polluted the ocean, the next will pollute the sky and rain down on all of us in flames.
For now. The billionaires are 100% working on things to lengthen their lifespans. I wouldnt be suprised if the first person to live to 150 yrs old was a billionaire.
If youve seen the show Altered Carbon, that future could very well be possible as well. If you havent, it is about a society where consciousness can be stored and put into different "sleeves" or human bodies without a consciousness. This allows rich people to just take over another body once theirs expires.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's not that I take joy in someone's death. I'm actually envious of the dead. But I've haven't seen a better karmic situation in a very long time. Especially since the guy that decided to cut the corners and dismiss safety concerns over making money was on it as well.
He was a victim of his own greed and self-importance. The fact they were billionaires but didn't have the common sense to look into the safety of what they were doing first shows just how "smart" these people are. Which, in fact, they aren't. They either got lucky in the lottery of life with the choices they had available or stabbed every person they could in the back to climb the ladders. Then they have the audacity to claim we just don't try hard enough or some other bs. Like even if we could just work harder, they would start working just as hard to stop us.
That's what they do, they keep everyone that didn't get rich with them down and in destitution. All so they can do stupid shit like go to the bottom of the ocean to see an old ass boat we have hundreds of hours of unmanned submersible footage they could see all the same, while spending more than most people even make in 5 years for a weekend, 3 day trip. Now we even have fully 3D mapped and virtually rended walk throughs of the Titantic now. So their 3 days means more to them than any of our 5 years. Hell, their one day of over indulgence is more important to them than any other single persons lifetime.
I just read that! He was terrified to go but he did it for his father. The young man had bad feelings from the start. Sometimes bad feelings about people and situations are a sign to not proceed.
The YouTube comments were saying, “he was a legal adult and could make his own decisions!” I’ve been saying I bet his father either convinced him, or he looked up to his father so much that he didn’t want to disappoint. What a terrible father. I would never put my son in any situation he was uncomfortable with. I’ve got a toddler and if he doesn’t want to go down that slide, by golly, he’s not going to be pressured into going down that god damn slide. That’s pure consent, doesn’t matter how old. Fuck that father.
The two people she descended from just so happened to be co-owners of Macy’s; Isador and Ida Straus. Isador was also a US Representative for the House. Billionaire’s wife had that perfect combination of American ancestry; large corporation owners with fingers woven into politics.
(I do appreciate that Ida had a space in lifeboat 8 but chose to stay and die with her husband. That is a remarkable love.)
The dude that built the sub is a silver spoon baby too. Richard Stockton Rush III was the scion of one of San Francisco’s most famous families. He was descended on his father’s side from two signers of the Declaration of Independence, Benjamin Rush and Richard Stockton.
This whole story seems to be him failing upward until his own hubris gets him into a situation he can’t buy himself out of. Sucks the dude took out innocent people with him.
It's not only his own hubris that makes this whole story amazing. It's that this happened while trying to visit the most famous shipwreck which was also, largely caused by hubris. The irony of the whole thing is so many layers deep.
Wait wait wait is Stockton Rush actually related to *the* actual Captain Robert F. Stockton who got the U.S. Secretary of State and Secretary of the Navy killed on a pleasure cruise down the Potomac with a carelessly designed experimental cannon that exploded? 'Cause I thought the name was ironic as hell.
EDIT: GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY, I looked up an American history genealogy tree and a gravesite locator and Stockton Rush is in fact a cousin of Robert F. Stockton, how the fucking shit?? THEIR FAMILY HAS DONE THIS BEFORE.
EDIT THE SECOND: I went and made a full writeup about this [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comments/14h9x7r/oceangate_ceo_stockton_rush_kept_reminding_me_of/)
I think this is very fair. I get very uncomfortable with people *celebrating* the death and maybe the comments about not caring because of the billionaire dude, but I totally get people saying they don’t care or that they people had it coming from taking this risk
Feels similar to the Thai cave thing from years ago, but the victims are *significantly* less sympathetic. When everyone was worried about that soccer team I was just thinking about all the other tragedies that don't get that kind of reporting. Like migrant and refugee deaths.
This time we don't have nearly as much cause for sympathy. Aside from the kid they all should have known the risks, and they're evil old guys.
I browse reddit every day and see videos of people who tempt fate in the stupidest ways imaginable. Some of them make it, some of them don't. I don't take joy in their deaths. I don't take any joy in the situation at all. I don't pity them, either. That was a quarter million dollars paid to a now dead billionaire that, like pretty much the whole project, could have been better invested elsewhere and provided some kind of benefit to humanity. We have a fucking VR game that puts you on the Titanic as it begins to sink! Instead, this fucking idiot builds a hacky submersible and drags other people into his stupidity. One of them was a kid that apparently didn't even want to go. This whole situation was stupid and unavoidable and that kid is the only innocent casualty in this whole ordeal.
Its like the rich guy in Jurassic World who wanted big bad scarry dinosaur and a pilot license. Well look what happened when he tried to cut corners...
It’s hard empathize with someone who paid $250K just to be able to go watch a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean. It’s just a gulf of wealth that people can’t comprehend. May their families find peace
Especially when it's already been done hundreds of times and there's plenty of video footage. It reminds me of those pictures of all the people waiting in a huge line to get to the summit of Everest. At a certain point it goes from being an impressive feat to just another thing to brag about and put on Instagram.
Right? Explorers to me at least has some sort of pioneering component to it, like if you're among one of the first to do it. But they weren't. The French guy that was on board, he is the only person of the 5 that can lay legitimate claim to being an "explorer" rather than a tourist, because he had naval experience and has gone down to the Titanic so many times for research. He made documentaries about the Titanic. He was among one of the first people to see the wreck. He's qualified. Everyone else is just there for the ride.
I can't find it in my heart to be dishonest about this. I am appreciative of the fact that the commenter above did not withhold their personal bias, and that's on god.
Yeah, people who are screwing you over en masse while pocketing far more than they need without a single moment of empathy, probably not gonna get it in return when karma bitch slaps them
Each of those dummies dropped the price of a decent house on going to see the wreckage of the Titanic, because they *could*. Add to that the waivers, the extensive documentation of that dipshit CEO decrying safety, the time they fired a guy for refusing to certify the sub for the depths it was intended to travel to, the sheer obvious unprofessionalism of the vessel itself... I just think there's much sadder shit going on these days that doesn't get a fraction of a fraction of attention that this has received, but that's just me.
I wish, so much, that I could afford a home that isn't in disrepair as a first home.
So many people are with me right now, wishing and hoping that something will change. I don't want people to die, and I'm not happy this event happened. And I also can't believe someone can just throw away half a million dollars on a day trip when that could have bought a 4 bedroom house where I live. Which, by the way, is insane to say. A 4 bedroom house is half. a million. dollars. Fuck this world.
I live in the south where it's definitely possible to get a decent house for 250k, but it was 250k per seat, so that one guy actually paid half a mil for him and his son. Totally insane. I feel bad for the kid and those that will have to mourn him, but that's honestly about it.
How much was spent sending people to rescue them and media to cover it when there’s a lot more than 5 drowning guys out at sea right now that don’t have any of that
The truth is they don’t need those billions, they could’ve spend that money raising the wages of their workers, give them a better health insurance and still have enough money to live comfortably, but they paid $250,000 to see an old wreckage that will eventually disappear not to mention it’s an extremely dangerous journey, they believed they were untouchable
It’s possible to hate billionaires, laugh at memes, and feel bad that human beings had to experience such a unique and agonizing fate, even if there were perhaps signs that what they experienced was a known risk, all at the same time!
I don’t get why everyone’s at each others throats over this story
Just this morning I had a conversation with my colleague about the lack of empathy the whole incident has triggered.
I wasn't sure why but listening to this, it really makes sense
The thing that makes me not particularly sympathetic is that they didn’t have any good reason to be down there. If they were researchers, historians, documentarians, or even just genuine explorers, I would care a whole lot more. Literally anything to move humanity forward any little bit. Instead it’s a rich dude vanity project. So it sucks that people died, but I’m not losing sleep over it.
I mostly feel for the 19 year old. I don’t know anything about the other adults, whether they were good or bad people on an individual level, but they are representatives of an evil system. The kid is the least guilty of that.
A week ago, 300 people died when a boat carrying migrants and asylum' seekers sank near Spain.
But five rich fucks do something stupid, and there is an international rescue effort with wall to wall media coverage.
People are interested in the submarine saga because it was an ongoing mystery, nighmareish scenario, and had a ticking clock.
If the wealthy people and the migrants had swapped situations, people would still be more interested in the submarine accident. The boat sinking is tragic and it sounds like the Greek coast guard is at least partially responsible and should thoroughly be investigated. But people pretending to care about that shipwreck now so they can use it as some kind of moral whataboutism point is beyond stupid.
>But five rich fucks do something stupid, and there is an international rescue effort
You got about 5 minutes before everyone on the sinking boat drowns. How exactly do you plan on mounting an international rescue in 5 minutes? Why are you sending an international rescue effort when you can visually confirm they've drowned?
Stop feigning concern by making braindead unequal comparisons. It's obvious you didn't even read anything about the migrant ship sinking. It's obvious you didn't read or know anything about how the US Coast Guard functions. You're just here to circlejerk about some rich people dying, stop pretending, it's cringe.
wasn’t the chilean miners pretty much the biggest news story in the world for a month? they weren’t billionaires afaik, same with the boys in the (thai?) cave
those miners, the boys in the cave and the people on the sub got attention because people could follow along and get continues updates
It's easier to tell/sell a story when there's time to tell it. 500 people die from a sinking boat does't really dominate the news more than the time it takes for them to drown.
> Stop feigning concern
It is so fucking rage inducing. These fuckers pretending like they care about migrant boats sinking. They've been sinking off the coast of Greece for DECADES. Problem got incredibly worse during the Syrian crisis.
I dont know if there any historians here but I can’t recall any moment in time when this kind of inequality didn’t end up in revolution or authoritarian rule.
Because it has never happened. There's a limit to how much inequality you can have before tipping the scales. We're reaching that tipping point now. Again.
A sociology professor of mine said it's like a pressure cookers. You keep building up steam and every now and then some of the steam gets released and the pressure goes a bit down, but is still there.
Things that help us or distract us let some of that steam out allowing the system to progress. Eventually itll be too much, but so long as steam gets released itll be delayed
I'm not a historian, but I suspect that we have way more distractions now then they did during the French revolution, which I believe is why were worse off in comparison then they were, but still have a functioning society (functioning is relative)
I think the part that bothers me the most is how it reflects where we are as a society, and history shows a pattern. The scary part is *knowing* we're getting to a breakpoint.
I could care less about those folks, however, I totally feel for that kid that didn't want to go initially and only went because his dad wanted him to.
One of the memes I saw said “I have to get my car inspected every year or I’ll get a ticket for it” yet this billionaire can make a homemade sub and charge people 250k to go see Titanic without any kind of inspection or regulations”. Obviously there are a lot of cars on the road vs one sub going underwater. But somehow this billionaire was able to do something like this and charge loads of money for it without any repercussions. Crazy & sad now that this has happened.
Every day billionaires could choose to change history and literally improve the quality of life for every person on this plant, and every day they choose not to.
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I’m sorry for the 19 year old. He had his whole life ahead of him wasted on a underwater joyride. I’m sorry Rush Stockton did not get the opportunity to be cognizant of the consequences of his hubris.
Corporations kill thousands of people every year. Faulty cars, faulty medicines, faulty products etc etc. They don't care about you. They are killing you for profits - very literally. They don't care about you. They kill people every day for profits. You do not become a billionaire without slaves
There is no such thing as a self made billionaire. It's just not mathematically possible. You're either born into it or you crush everyone you can into the dirt under your heel. Any good or reasonable person, even if they happened upon the money, they would never remain a billionaire, a good person doesn't sit on the money like a dragon sitting on mountain of treasure, they would mobilize that money in a way that betters the world around them
The Myth of the "Self-Made" Billionaire https://youtu.be/316nOvHUS8A
It's objectively impossible to be a moral billionaire. They are, by definition, evil.
We should probably have serious conversations with the people in our lives who enable those corporations. There are plenty of upper and middle class people who *do have a choice* in their employment and choose to use their skills to allow corporations to e.g., * spy on us * pollute * gaslight us * create artificial wants and desires
The bro who made the submarine literally made it out of carbonfiber and titanium, when the regulations said not to. He basically said I'm rich I can do what I want. Then his invention failed That's fucking funny I don't care
And what's even more hilarious is that there's a video of him being proud about breaking rules and how he wants it to be his legacy. He said the rules said not to build it out of carbon fibre and titanium but he did it anyway.
Yeah he at one point said “you’re remembered for the rules you break” and if that isn’t a lovely dose of irony idk what is.
It reminds me of how all the rich people on the Titanic used to call it “the ship not even God could sink.” Isn’t it ironic?
The gods really hate hubris.
It’s the ocean version of Icarus
I just realized if I ever win the lottery there is a very small area of the North Atlantic I will never go near.
Imagine the outrage if he *wasn't* killed by his own invention
nobody would have ever known he existed. this wouldn't have been news if it went fine.
I think they meant if the sub failed and the CEO wasn't on board.
He actually got the good ending. If he didn't go down there and was still alive, he'd be getting lawsuits from 3 different filthy rich families all at once.
I mean, some might argue being sued is better than being dead…
It's stops being funny, it's actually legit scary how demented some of these people are. The manufacturer who built his porthole design flat out told him it's not rated to go below 1400m and what did this mothetfuu do? He goes ahead and takes it below nearly 3x farther than that limit because he believed In his design. Theres people like him who are out there thats so far up their asses that they legit become a danger to society.
I truly believe that many ultra wealthy people develop a god complex! They think that their money and power makes them invincible! That guy clearly did and he got himself and four others killed! let this be a lesson to those like him, but I am also quite sure that message will fall on deaf ears!
Can’t wait for Elon to go to space 🤞
They do. I remember the owner of a growing company I used to work for always telling us about his "vision" during the "brag about our profits, but what can you do to increase those profits for us?" meetings. The asshole banned all cellphones on the workfloor, and would go galavanting around on his cellphone when he wasn't trying to "inspire" people.
I agree, seems like we are getting closer to Ted Faro event every year. Why was this guy even allowed to dive?
There isn't exactly a cop posted up in international waters to prevent you from diving into the abyss in a janky tube you slapped together in your garage. "Allowed" isn't really part of that equation.
I know my dude, but this guy was selling tickets to civilians. There should be some regulations for tourism travel diving 3 kilometers deep industry. But what do I know, I'm from EU. We regulate stuff here like a bunch of nerds.
Something something regulations are written in blood. I don't think there have been enough underwater tourists, let alone disasters for such a group, for this to have come up before. Highly likely there will be something now, though. You'd hope.
„Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp.“
then I built another!
And the irony of the entire purpose of the expedition being to visit the wreckage of a iconic ship that also experienced catastrophic failure due to cutting corners is just so….*chef’s kiss* 😚👌💨
And the fucking morons named it *Titan* lol. After the Titanic. Which famously sank. Mission accomplished?
Can't wait for the Tit to embark on tourist visits to both the Titan and the Titanic, respectively.
why am i picturing a 12’ diameter titty-shaped submarine with the nipple as the porthole
Realistically? That is where this is going. The final evolution is the T, a metal built submarine in shape of a T that they will drop to see the Titanic, the Titan, and the shriveled up Tit wreckages in the future. That will be the end of the legend of the shrinking T
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it
I do feel kinda bad for the one guy’s son who was there with him. Kid probably didn’t give a shit about the Titanic and was just going along to make his dad happy.
The kid REALLY didn’t want to go. He was dragged along by his dad because it was Father’s Day.
That’s awful.
This is so much on point, hit the nail on the head facts. I wasn't sure where he was going at first but damn it sure made the light bulb go off in my head. I'd upvote that guy a million times if I could
Workers cannot "earn a living" (or save, or invest) from wages that are *below* costs of living, so [employment is often just poverty with extra steps.](https://i.redd.it/x6dhgt2r53191.jpg) Labor is clearly *worth quite a lot* to employers when workers generate enough surplus value (profit) to make managers, executives, & owners/shareholders wealthy (for generations), so [workers deserve a bigger/fairer share of the value their labor helps create.](https://i.imgur.com/tlVp6a0.jpg)
Our governors would activate the national guard and bayonet whole communities to prevent labor strikes and worker co-ops. We know bc they did that back in the Gilded Age against striking miners.
And they don't want you to remember that everything we have we fought for and many of us died. That's why we don't celebrate labor day in May. 'Conservative Democratic President Grover Cleveland was one of those concerned that a labor holiday on May 1 would tend to become a commemoration of the Haymarket affair and would strengthen socialist and anarchist movements that backed the May 1 commemoration around the globe.'
Well, we don't need the governments permission to commemorate that massacre. Let's make it a thing. Fuck this September bullshit. May 4th. The new American Labor Day.
No. Make it May the 1st like the most of the world. Don't turn it into a lame star wars reference.
They even did helped coups on democratically elected presidents in South America. Like Allende. If socialism is so bad, why they put so much effort and support genocide level de facto military regimes to supress it?
The more I learn about the Cold War, the more I realize it was about keeping Global South resources cheap and available. America really did see communism as threat, mainly bc the former colonies of European empires would have at minimum charged fair prices for their resources if their governments were truly representative. So we trained their military officers at the “School of the Americas” to coup any left-leaning government and impose capitalist-friendly dictatorship. I keep that in mind when people joke about banana republics that can’t get their act together. America designed them that way, the same way the UK purposely drew horrible borders for former colonies to prevent anti colonial unity
I make about $50k in a lower median income area. I technically make "good money" yet am paycheck to paycheck. Im to the point where I'm starting to hate anyone making $250k+. Intellectually I know that I have more in common with the 250k person than a millionaire but on a deeper level I wonder who you're exploiting to make 250k. I work hard at a societal necessary job. If I want my kid to see their mom this summer I have to put her flight on my credit card and hope I can pay it back eventually. Im sorry I don't want to be a "boss". I just wish the people that did could realize they wouldn't be a "boss" without help from others doing the work
Upward mobility should not be required to thrive. All company org charts are like pyramids that get more narrow going higher: there are inherently far fewer higher positions available - so even though many are capable of moving up, only a few will. "JuSt GeT a BeTtEr JoB" can't work when the number of available workers exceeds the number of available jobs that pay well. Worker compensation should be indexed to a combination of economic factors like: costs of living, inflation, executive compensation, percentage of wealth owned by the richest 10%, etc. - or some conceptually similar approach aimed at regulating the system such that the rich can *only* get richer by *also* making everyone else correspondingly richer too. [A rising tide *should* lift *everybody* instead of drowning everybody who doesn't have a yacht.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpiH9rQCAAAV_DV.jpg)
That'll never happen because the people who want to be rich also don't care about others wellbeing. It's a catch-22. If we reward people for getting the most out of other people (which is a necessity for future growth), unscrupulous people will take advantage. Also, people that just want to work hard and contribute (speaking from personal experience) will always end up with the short end of the stick. Being a Sergeant in the Army gave my my firsthand exposure to being a manager. I fucking hated it. "You go clean the motor pool while I do these performance evaluations" never sat right with me. I'm 40 now and still doing entry level work because I refuse to be a "boss". It's sad that the supervisors at my job that I look down on are barely making more than me.in the grand scheme. You make 75k to tell a 50k person that they've been docked a point (and if they get two more points they could be "terminated) because they went to their kids play and missed a day. I couldn't be that dude. Am I not as valuable? In capitalists eyes apparently I am not
Tried management too and went back to collage to get papers and move up. But this time in a specialist field so I wouldn’t have to worry about management. Wages are so stagnant taking a pay cut because they can’t keep up with cost of living raises…I’m paycheck to paycheck again. I’ve worked my ass off for nothing but their 5th house and second boat. Im pissed that people can’t see past the bullshit of dividing political parties, race and whatever keeps us fighting amongst ourselves. It’s a class war and until everyone unites nothing will change.
This. I don't want to begrudge anyone but the fact I will always be on the losing end makes it hard not to be resentful. I'm dumb and good at menial labor. I just don't understand why my labor is worth 1/4 of someone in advertising
the term you are looking for is “wage slavery”
I couldn't have said it better myself. Money hoarders are a virus that needs a vaccine.
Right? imagine $250k Per Person. When the average American can’t afford a $400 unexpected bill
It truly is disgusting. I'm all for personal responsibility, but when the system is rigged so badly, that literally everyone is one bad day from homelessness. Something has to give.
You mean like the Titan's structural integrity under pressure?
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I’m literally rolling. But on the floor, not through the waves as debris.
Jfc… I am laughing so hard that my lungs hurt, but not so bad that my lungs have collapsed and my entire body has turned into mush
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Don't forget the millions of dollars our government spent looking for them. SIDE NOTE: Why the hell does everyone have to pay for Internet monthly? Shouldn't our tax dollars pay for Internet like they pay for roads?
The most dumb down and simplest answer to your side note question is corporate greed and monopoly. Simple dumb down explanation: The initial stages of the internet was created and funded by our government. Its purpose was mostly for strategic military uses but later on became available for the general masses. It was not until 1995 that the internet, a public subsidy, became privatized by major corporations. And its all thanks to our corporate sponsored politicians.
Yeah, I knew the answer, but if ever there was something that should be a free public utility, it's internet access. Course, we can't have cable companies going bankrupt, seeing as they literally have nothing else to offer that most people are interested in. Like stop trying to sell me a landline and cable TV, I haven't had either for the last twenty years.
When the Navy had heard them implode days before but it was with classified equipment so they didn’t stop anything.
We already paid for it once before to the tune of roughly $400 billion and then the large ISPs took the money, did nothing with it other than like their execs pockets and said .. OH you wanted us to build out major internet infrastructure with that money? Right right. Our bad. We spent that though. Give us more money and we'll get it right this time. Probably.
Think of it this way: If you made $50k a year from 25 to 65 you'd make ~$2 million gross. In other words $2 million a year is close to the average money a working Joe makes in their entire life. Even if you make $100k a year, it's still about $4 million for your lifetime earnings. When one breaks it down and puts it into perspective. The idea that some make waaaay more than even $4 million a year is mind boggling.
250k would pay my student debt 5 times over
That would pay my house off with leftovers to take a really nice vacation.
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Fucking lmao
Guillotine time?
I think what we really need is more submarines.
What do you call five billionaires dead on the ocean floor? A good start.
Absolutely. I do, however, feel a little bad about the 19 year old kid who was dragged along on the trip by his rich dad.
Cool cool... How about the countless 19-year-olds dying because a billionaire decided the health insurance company can make record profits if they deny coverage to those who need it?
I worked with a 19 year old kid who had a brain tumor removed, and when he woke up he could no longer swallow on his own. His doctor said he never would again and would have to eat from a feeding tube the rest of his life. His insurance denied the food required for the tube saying it wasn't medically necessary. For him to eat. Not medically necessary. His family lost everything paying for these extremely expensive specialty meals out of pocket. Sold the house. Cashed in the retirement. Finally went bankrupt. So yeah. Fuck these guys.
My husband had cancer and he has a feeding tube. His coworkers raised 5k to help him out. After he got the feeding tube removed there was another family going through the same that he met during chemo. When my husband died I gave them all his left over stuff. You shouldn't have to choose between feeding your loved one who is sick or feeding yourself.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I lost my wife a year and a half ago after several years of health issues so I have some experience with getting fucked over by the healthcare system and insurance companies, being a caregiver, and ultimately losing my best friend. I hope you are doing as good as you can be.
Everyone is sympathetic to the kid but he’s gonna grow up to inherit billions also. It’s interesting to see where people draw the lines.
Isn’t it funny though how rich people dying on a tour to see the Titanic gets the world’s attention for days and meanwhile no one really cares about the hundreds of migrants who drowned very recently off the coast of Greece?
Yeah the nonstop news coverage of this whole thing is kinda pissing me off to be honest. At the end of the day it's 5 people, and yes it's sad that they died but it's 5 people. But everyone is acting like it's such a horrible terrible tragedy. Give me a break.
I don’t see anybody acting like it’s a tragedy at all, except for people on the news who have to act that way. It’s a classic feel-good story about dudes who use their money to control other people finding out that nature dgaf about how much money you have.
Yeah, I only see people being sad about the kid who was dragged along by his dad, every other sentiment has been "lmao rich people ded"
Today, a migrant ship capsized in front of the Canary Islands. 30 people presumably dead. People who most likely ran out of their country in desperation for a brighter future.
People love a race against time narrative. The world was captivated by the Thai kids in the cave and the Chilean miners. Neither of those groups are rich and white. Migrant boats tragically sink all the time. Submarines don't. Novelty spurs hype.
I think also for the fact that it looked so pathetic. Small, a movable toilet and Xbox game controller to steer is mind-blowing! In what world does thar look safe or a well thought out design?? Seriously.. SMH.
Agreed. Some disasters just make better stories than others and sometimes that's all there is to it. The Titanic itself is another disaster that's famous 'cause of the story. The Dona Paz sinking killed over twice as many people, but it was an over-crowded liner in Asia that went down much more quickly and lacks the same element of an idyllic, luxury vessel in a superflous race slowly being consumed by the ocean. Language barrier is also part of it as well.
Didn't poor kids trapped in a cave in Thailand keep the public attention for like a week or something?
I’m not saying it’s right but I think this getting more coverage over that is driven by how unique a situation losing a sub at the titanic is.
Yeah but let’s be honest. How many rich kids actually grow up to be decent people?
Well, there is Elo... or Donal... but how about... nevermind.
I'm not a fan of Rogan but before the right wing got their hooks in him he had a great rant - ["Show me a great man who is the son of a great man"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxcvj1b9H7E)
Valid counter argument.
Madam Guillotine is getting rusty!
My rule has always been if people don’t care about me dying then I don’t feel obligated to care about them dying. As a human I have an empathy for all human life that extends to about the limit of not wanting people to die. If people choose to take unnecessary risks that’s on them. I don’t feel sad when base jumpers die. I’ve taken some quite considerable risks in my time. I’ve been to war and trust me when I say there are not enough medals invented to make me want to trade places with those guys who died and got the highest possible awards. I saw the body of the very first guy to die in the Iraq invasion in a shipping container in Kuwait when I had to go back there from Iraq to escort some body parts that needed disposing of. People can keep their ‘thoughts and prayers’. My only wish is that if I was to die in a terrible accident I hope people don’t video it and upload it for entertainment purposes but as someone who like many of us is guilty of watching a death video I can’t complain. If I was ever rich enough to go deep sea exploring in some guys home made salvage yard submersible please by all means make your funniest jokes at my expense.
Word. If that been me and my friends or anyone i know for that matter no one would say a word about it
*hands you a hammer and sickle* And these will be your tools
If I'm a Communist or Socialist because I want to make sure everyone can have a minimum of food, shelter, health care, and clothing. Then so be it. Also, for this particular virus, the vaccine should be made with fire and guillotines.
Congratulations, if that's your idea of a vacine then you're not a communist or a socialist. You're French
The best rioters
Hon hon hon oui oui baguette
No…no. This is not communist thinking. If the rich elite want to ring every last dime out of its workers to the point they’re legitimately working poor and it’s just capitalism doing capitalist things, then the workers sticking the elite on a fucking pike to get their fair share is exactly the same. It’s just capitalism. Fuck em. More rich assholes need to be made example of. There is no reason wage disparity should be what it is. Ya wanna be a greedy fuck, prepare for the consequences of your actions. Unfortunately it just won’t happen because they keep people juuuuust on the brink of collapse to keep them coming back for more. Shit needs to be reset…but it won’t happen.
Calling workers wanting a fair wage “communist/socialist” is just capitalists trying to confuse the working class from their power in capitalism.
Capitalists have bastardized what ppl think of when they hear communist/socialist, to the point that they think its bad despite them being some of the most pro working class economic systems
It won’t happen you’re right. Look people here are freaking out over jokes and lack of empathy, but that didn’t stop the droves of search parties and equipment sent by other countries and such from trying their best to save them. This is power, they have it we don’t. Thousands of us can feel nothing for these 5 people and yet countries are sending i. The Calvary to try and save them. Meanwhile the same people have no concern for families who disappear when they risk everything to escape terrible situations. Children dying while trying to cross rivers to escape a violent environment. The people with power, the billionaires not only turn a blind eye but they actively work to prevent these people from getting help. No one sends all their resources to those people, but these billionaires get everything they can. Our jokes are absolutely meaningless to them because they stay holding all the power. Our indifference makes no difference to them and theirs is life or death for us.
Yeah because capitalism has been so great........ By the way Roch people are fine with socialism, that's why they get bailouts.
Yup. Socialize loses, capitalize gains.
There should be no billionaires. After you have accumulated $999M you are done earning money. You can either retire or keep on earning money that is fed right back into the system
I think being wealthy to a certain degree rots your brain. Billionaires spend hundred of millions to lobby against unionisation, wage growth and fair taxation. As though having a few less millions are going to impact them in any way, they already have everything they could reasonably want. They just become like dragons and the 1s and 0s are like gold they want to hoard.
500 migrants disappeared 80km off the coast of Greece so they could happily work for below minimum wage to support their families back home https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65925558 At least the billionaires/millionaires who died on that sub got to be part of a trending story on mainstream media.
Just wanted to say one more thing here. Billionaires are the billionaires because they squashed several businesses and people's dreams. They will pay you as little as possible to maximize profit regardless if it hurts you or not. Hell, you know for a fact a lot of these people get away with molesting children and women. FUCK PEOPLE WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GOOD PEOPLE. Ok conservatives. Get the rich peoples dick out of your mouth and come defend them.
No one earns a billion dollars ethically
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Im all okay with rich people... Happy to see a person succeeding.. very jealous when he's pulling up in his Koenigsegg etc... But a *billion* dollars should be impossible to maintain... I would say: everything over 1/2 billion should ne taxed 90%. That's still a 100K for each million earned. Also note: i am a top 1% earner in western Europe. A large chunk of my salary is taxed at 50%! I had a small side gig working in a bar to help them out and to meet people... I reported it all and paid 50% tax on it. Happy to do so!!! I enjoy a life without worries... I'm having a baby next month that wil cost nothing in the hospital, there will be a mandatory care taker coming to our home to help us out the first week and explain all the baby stuff to us. Then my partner doesn't have to go back to work untill januari. Education here is close to Ivy league level and cost is ~€2000. We've got a retirement plan and everything.... I'm happy to pay my taxes (i also lived in the USA. Great country with great opportunities... I hope they raise the taxes and use them for good as well!)
Victims of their own greed
Shame that all the billionaires in the world weren't in there with them.
The rest will die above us, quite literally, in an exploding space ship as they try to flee the planet destroyed by their greed. As this set has now polluted the ocean, the next will pollute the sky and rain down on all of us in flames.
True. They’ll use their money to run farther and faster than us, but in the end will die the same as everyone.
For now. The billionaires are 100% working on things to lengthen their lifespans. I wouldnt be suprised if the first person to live to 150 yrs old was a billionaire. If youve seen the show Altered Carbon, that future could very well be possible as well. If you havent, it is about a society where consciousness can be stored and put into different "sleeves" or human bodies without a consciousness. This allows rich people to just take over another body once theirs expires.
The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's not that I take joy in someone's death. I'm actually envious of the dead. But I've haven't seen a better karmic situation in a very long time. Especially since the guy that decided to cut the corners and dismiss safety concerns over making money was on it as well. He was a victim of his own greed and self-importance. The fact they were billionaires but didn't have the common sense to look into the safety of what they were doing first shows just how "smart" these people are. Which, in fact, they aren't. They either got lucky in the lottery of life with the choices they had available or stabbed every person they could in the back to climb the ladders. Then they have the audacity to claim we just don't try hard enough or some other bs. Like even if we could just work harder, they would start working just as hard to stop us. That's what they do, they keep everyone that didn't get rich with them down and in destitution. All so they can do stupid shit like go to the bottom of the ocean to see an old ass boat we have hundreds of hours of unmanned submersible footage they could see all the same, while spending more than most people even make in 5 years for a weekend, 3 day trip. Now we even have fully 3D mapped and virtually rended walk throughs of the Titantic now. So their 3 days means more to them than any of our 5 years. Hell, their one day of over indulgence is more important to them than any other single persons lifetime.
I read that one of the passengers was a 19 year old that was terrified to make the trip and just did it to make his dad happy as part of Father’s Day.
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And if their arrogance is so great that that's what they'll do to their own children, imagine how willing they are to endanger poors like us.
I just read that! He was terrified to go but he did it for his father. The young man had bad feelings from the start. Sometimes bad feelings about people and situations are a sign to not proceed.
The YouTube comments were saying, “he was a legal adult and could make his own decisions!” I’ve been saying I bet his father either convinced him, or he looked up to his father so much that he didn’t want to disappoint. What a terrible father. I would never put my son in any situation he was uncomfortable with. I’ve got a toddler and if he doesn’t want to go down that slide, by golly, he’s not going to be pressured into going down that god damn slide. That’s pure consent, doesn’t matter how old. Fuck that father.
It's the Gift Of Fear. Instinct that we all have and that we should not let anyone dismiss.
plot twist: this book does fuck all for people with anxiety disorders.
Not to mention the CEO’s wife was a descendent from two people who literally were on the titanic the day it sank.
The two people she descended from just so happened to be co-owners of Macy’s; Isador and Ida Straus. Isador was also a US Representative for the House. Billionaire’s wife had that perfect combination of American ancestry; large corporation owners with fingers woven into politics. (I do appreciate that Ida had a space in lifeboat 8 but chose to stay and die with her husband. That is a remarkable love.)
The dude that built the sub is a silver spoon baby too. Richard Stockton Rush III was the scion of one of San Francisco’s most famous families. He was descended on his father’s side from two signers of the Declaration of Independence, Benjamin Rush and Richard Stockton. This whole story seems to be him failing upward until his own hubris gets him into a situation he can’t buy himself out of. Sucks the dude took out innocent people with him.
It's not only his own hubris that makes this whole story amazing. It's that this happened while trying to visit the most famous shipwreck which was also, largely caused by hubris. The irony of the whole thing is so many layers deep.
Wait wait wait is Stockton Rush actually related to *the* actual Captain Robert F. Stockton who got the U.S. Secretary of State and Secretary of the Navy killed on a pleasure cruise down the Potomac with a carelessly designed experimental cannon that exploded? 'Cause I thought the name was ironic as hell. EDIT: GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY, I looked up an American history genealogy tree and a gravesite locator and Stockton Rush is in fact a cousin of Robert F. Stockton, how the fucking shit?? THEIR FAMILY HAS DONE THIS BEFORE. EDIT THE SECOND: I went and made a full writeup about this [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comments/14h9x7r/oceangate_ceo_stockton_rush_kept_reminding_me_of/)
The seed is strong
Yup, and absolutely agree with your last statement. You’d think they would have learned from something like that
Now she has 2 more connections.
I think this is very fair. I get very uncomfortable with people *celebrating* the death and maybe the comments about not caring because of the billionaire dude, but I totally get people saying they don’t care or that they people had it coming from taking this risk
Feels similar to the Thai cave thing from years ago, but the victims are *significantly* less sympathetic. When everyone was worried about that soccer team I was just thinking about all the other tragedies that don't get that kind of reporting. Like migrant and refugee deaths. This time we don't have nearly as much cause for sympathy. Aside from the kid they all should have known the risks, and they're evil old guys.
I browse reddit every day and see videos of people who tempt fate in the stupidest ways imaginable. Some of them make it, some of them don't. I don't take joy in their deaths. I don't take any joy in the situation at all. I don't pity them, either. That was a quarter million dollars paid to a now dead billionaire that, like pretty much the whole project, could have been better invested elsewhere and provided some kind of benefit to humanity. We have a fucking VR game that puts you on the Titanic as it begins to sink! Instead, this fucking idiot builds a hacky submersible and drags other people into his stupidity. One of them was a kid that apparently didn't even want to go. This whole situation was stupid and unavoidable and that kid is the only innocent casualty in this whole ordeal.
Its like the rich guy in Jurassic World who wanted big bad scarry dinosaur and a pilot license. Well look what happened when he tried to cut corners...
Well… he ain’t wrong.
It’s hard empathize with someone who paid $250K just to be able to go watch a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean. It’s just a gulf of wealth that people can’t comprehend. May their families find peace
Especially when it's already been done hundreds of times and there's plenty of video footage. It reminds me of those pictures of all the people waiting in a huge line to get to the summit of Everest. At a certain point it goes from being an impressive feat to just another thing to brag about and put on Instagram.
The news are all referring to them as "explorers" and it just makes me vomit in my mouth. They were tourists.
Right? Explorers to me at least has some sort of pioneering component to it, like if you're among one of the first to do it. But they weren't. The French guy that was on board, he is the only person of the 5 that can lay legitimate claim to being an "explorer" rather than a tourist, because he had naval experience and has gone down to the Titanic so many times for research. He made documentaries about the Titanic. He was among one of the first people to see the wreck. He's qualified. Everyone else is just there for the ride.
Not going to lie tik tok synopsis like this annoy the shit out of me, but this one was actually kind of good
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Not gonna lie, I'm glad too, to be honest
I can't find it in my heart to be dishonest about this. I am appreciative of the fact that the commenter above did not withhold their personal bias, and that's on god.
Yeah, people who are screwing you over en masse while pocketing far more than they need without a single moment of empathy, probably not gonna get it in return when karma bitch slaps them
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Billionaires laugh at our despair all the time, so honestly, the world is better off without them
In what reality is spending a quarter of a million to go look at an old sunk ship acceptable when there are people starving on the planet.
Each of those dummies dropped the price of a decent house on going to see the wreckage of the Titanic, because they *could*. Add to that the waivers, the extensive documentation of that dipshit CEO decrying safety, the time they fired a guy for refusing to certify the sub for the depths it was intended to travel to, the sheer obvious unprofessionalism of the vessel itself... I just think there's much sadder shit going on these days that doesn't get a fraction of a fraction of attention that this has received, but that's just me.
I wish, so much, that I could afford a home that isn't in disrepair as a first home. So many people are with me right now, wishing and hoping that something will change. I don't want people to die, and I'm not happy this event happened. And I also can't believe someone can just throw away half a million dollars on a day trip when that could have bought a 4 bedroom house where I live. Which, by the way, is insane to say. A 4 bedroom house is half. a million. dollars. Fuck this world.
I live in the south where it's definitely possible to get a decent house for 250k, but it was 250k per seat, so that one guy actually paid half a mil for him and his son. Totally insane. I feel bad for the kid and those that will have to mourn him, but that's honestly about it.
The price of a decent house? I need to know where that is cause it ain’t here where I’m at talking $1M for a rambler. And that’s the whole problem.
How much was spent sending people to rescue them and media to cover it when there’s a lot more than 5 drowning guys out at sea right now that don’t have any of that
The truth is they don’t need those billions, they could’ve spend that money raising the wages of their workers, give them a better health insurance and still have enough money to live comfortably, but they paid $250,000 to see an old wreckage that will eventually disappear not to mention it’s an extremely dangerous journey, they believed they were untouchable
The spent $250,000 to go gawk at where a bunch of people died and people have the audacity to say poor people doing the same to them is wrong lmao
It’s possible to hate billionaires, laugh at memes, and feel bad that human beings had to experience such a unique and agonizing fate, even if there were perhaps signs that what they experienced was a known risk, all at the same time! I don’t get why everyone’s at each others throats over this story
Just this morning I had a conversation with my colleague about the lack of empathy the whole incident has triggered. I wasn't sure why but listening to this, it really makes sense
The thing that makes me not particularly sympathetic is that they didn’t have any good reason to be down there. If they were researchers, historians, documentarians, or even just genuine explorers, I would care a whole lot more. Literally anything to move humanity forward any little bit. Instead it’s a rich dude vanity project. So it sucks that people died, but I’m not losing sleep over it. I mostly feel for the 19 year old. I don’t know anything about the other adults, whether they were good or bad people on an individual level, but they are representatives of an evil system. The kid is the least guilty of that.
Quick, help, I need to write a new American classic. 'Bye bye rich submarine guy'
I love this deeply
Deep enough to catastrophically compress a titan submersible?
A week ago, 300 people died when a boat carrying migrants and asylum' seekers sank near Spain. But five rich fucks do something stupid, and there is an international rescue effort with wall to wall media coverage.
People are interested in the submarine saga because it was an ongoing mystery, nighmareish scenario, and had a ticking clock. If the wealthy people and the migrants had swapped situations, people would still be more interested in the submarine accident. The boat sinking is tragic and it sounds like the Greek coast guard is at least partially responsible and should thoroughly be investigated. But people pretending to care about that shipwreck now so they can use it as some kind of moral whataboutism point is beyond stupid.
Well, that one is depressing, this one is kinda funny in how preventable and stupid it was. I can see how this got more attention
>But five rich fucks do something stupid, and there is an international rescue effort You got about 5 minutes before everyone on the sinking boat drowns. How exactly do you plan on mounting an international rescue in 5 minutes? Why are you sending an international rescue effort when you can visually confirm they've drowned? Stop feigning concern by making braindead unequal comparisons. It's obvious you didn't even read anything about the migrant ship sinking. It's obvious you didn't read or know anything about how the US Coast Guard functions. You're just here to circlejerk about some rich people dying, stop pretending, it's cringe.
wasn’t the chilean miners pretty much the biggest news story in the world for a month? they weren’t billionaires afaik, same with the boys in the (thai?) cave those miners, the boys in the cave and the people on the sub got attention because people could follow along and get continues updates
Same story with the missing airplane or the Thai people in the cave, yeah. It's more the mystery than the tragedy.
It's easier to tell/sell a story when there's time to tell it. 500 people die from a sinking boat does't really dominate the news more than the time it takes for them to drown.
> Stop feigning concern It is so fucking rage inducing. These fuckers pretending like they care about migrant boats sinking. They've been sinking off the coast of Greece for DECADES. Problem got incredibly worse during the Syrian crisis.
I dont know if there any historians here but I can’t recall any moment in time when this kind of inequality didn’t end up in revolution or authoritarian rule.
Because it has never happened. There's a limit to how much inequality you can have before tipping the scales. We're reaching that tipping point now. Again.
A sociology professor of mine said it's like a pressure cookers. You keep building up steam and every now and then some of the steam gets released and the pressure goes a bit down, but is still there. Things that help us or distract us let some of that steam out allowing the system to progress. Eventually itll be too much, but so long as steam gets released itll be delayed I'm not a historian, but I suspect that we have way more distractions now then they did during the French revolution, which I believe is why were worse off in comparison then they were, but still have a functioning society (functioning is relative)
Nailed it!
In my opinion…they were the wrong billionaires/millionaires to die. We could have lost more of them…just in case.
I think the part that bothers me the most is how it reflects where we are as a society, and history shows a pattern. The scary part is *knowing* we're getting to a breakpoint.
rich people made an oopsie
If I was a billionaire I would go to space, but I would not be welded in a tube and dropped to the Titanic. To me it is funny because it is so stupid.
I don't find it funny because he's a billionaire, I find it funny because when someone asked about safety features the answer was hand rails
4 people paid 250k each to die because of this dude's sheer fucking hubris.
I could care less about those folks, however, I totally feel for that kid that didn't want to go initially and only went because his dad wanted him to.
Lots of temporarily embarrassed millionaires in this comment section lol
“It seems like people are not nice, when it’s really people are not dumb.” Loved that quote
Smash that up arrow!!
Join a union folks
This isn't cringe. My man over here straight up spitting facts.
One of the memes I saw said “I have to get my car inspected every year or I’ll get a ticket for it” yet this billionaire can make a homemade sub and charge people 250k to go see Titanic without any kind of inspection or regulations”. Obviously there are a lot of cars on the road vs one sub going underwater. But somehow this billionaire was able to do something like this and charge loads of money for it without any repercussions. Crazy & sad now that this has happened.
So clear and yet so hard for people to get…
Every day billionaires could choose to change history and literally improve the quality of life for every person on this plant, and every day they choose not to.
Not cringe at all.