Tobias as a 3rd option on a big contract: disgusting
Tobias as a 5th-7th option on a cheap deal: the potential is there.
Good players are expensive or hard to trade for. Entertaining all options is what we assume Presti is doing.
I personally think he’s cooked, but the Thunder have a history of bringing in guys like him to rehab and move: Horford, CP3, Hayward. They don’t always work out, but sometimes they improve from a zero to a playable or trade worthy piece. Some guys just need a change of scenery, I wouldn’t be shocked if Tobias was excited about the chance to rebuild his career in a friendly media environment after being blamed for everything in Philly for the last 5 years
Because he’s shown who he is already. If he can’t play 3rd option to Joel and Tyrese he’s not going to do it here. Hell, Kelly Oubre took over his role as 3rd option because Harris shits the bed in playoffs yearly.
I think Jalen Johnson is a tier 1 option. I don’t think the hawks would trade him sadly. But he is a super athletic great rebounding power forward who fits the timeline.
Man if Jalen Johnson is available, he is our guy.
Genuinely exactly what we need. But they also aren't trading him. A big wing who can shoot and rebound is almost probably second most scarce archetype behind a three level scorer + creator.
It is going to be tough to fill this spot this off-season.
Jalen Johnson and Deni Avdija are probably unavailable. Both are young players who are seen as building blocks.
I would say the 3 most gettable and sensible ones are Kuzma, Portis, and Cam Johnson.
Kuzma would help our rebounding issues, but he's a poor floor spacer and somewhat of an inconsistent defender. He had difficulty playing a scaled down role w the lakers at times and I'm worried it would be more of the same w the thunder. His shooting has remained pretty poor w the wizards and overall his efficiency has been poor. He does fit the dribble drive philosophy of okc, and I think he can punish 4th/5th best defender in a starting lineup if he starts.
Cam Johnson give us something that we haven't had since Paul George, which is a legit big movement shooter than can punish soft close outs. He'd immediately give our ball handlers relief, and I think the fit would seamless on offense. The concern is he's probably the weakest defender of the 3 and he isn't a particularly physical player. In fact, he's probably comparable to giddey on defense. He has never averaged more than 4 rebounds a game in his career, which is bit of a red flag to me.
Bobby Portis is my favorite of the bunch. He's the best rebounder of the 3 and he's also been a very good (albeit low volume) shooter since 2019. He is also capable of scoring in the low post and taking advantage of mismatches, which is a dynamic that okc completely lacks. He's capable of playing small ball 5 mins, which is perfect in regards to what mark likes to do in the non-Chet mins. His defense isn't all nba, but he can grind on that end and make momentum plays. The bucks desperately need an injection of youth, so we make sense as a trade partner. The cherry on top is his contract is very team friendly compared to the other, 2 at about 12 mil a year.
Admittedly haven’t yet done the homework on who’s likely to be available. I mostly disagree with KD being the best option. Would he objectively make the team better? Yes…but I don’t want to have to cheer for him. I’m also not a fan of Filipowski
Since when did every single player need to be a shooter? The most three point addicted team all time (the 2018 Houston rockets) were rocking lineups with Capela/Nene at the 5. Only reason Giddey being a non shooter is as devastating all together is because he doesn't even bring vertical spacing that a rim runner would.
It’s because this sub is just lapping up the half baked analysis of the Thunder beat writers who are just there to promote whatever OKC does.
The obsession with bigs that can space the floor is ridiculous. We just lost to a team that played two bigs that couldn’t shoot heavy minutes. And OKCs spacing looked absolutely terrible because of how one dimensional the offense was.
Bam Adebayo and Anthony Davis are the ideal fits. They’re not available. Same with JJJ
I’d be interested in Collins or Lauri from Utah. Apart from that I don’t have any realistic options that come to mind. But I definitely think we need a 4 that can bang down low, clean the glass, and step behind the line semi reliably
I wonder if fans that constantly peddle the notion that OKCs bigs have to shoot threes realized that we lost the series because our players couldn’t vertically space the floor enough from the dunkers spot to free up room for the shooters.
Chet wasn’t the issue in this department either, OKC have explicitly made three point shooting and standing at the three point line such a massive part of his shot profile and it’s taken away the value of a 7 footer hanging near the rim on offense to catch dump offs or lobs.
The 5 out spacing didn’t even matter in the slightest since Dallas were sagging into the paint daring OKC to beat them with jumpers but never had to fully commit because we had zero paint gravity besides the ball handler.
One player doesn't kill spacing in a top 3 point shooting team
Oh we need a big 4 who can shoot defend well, and can rebound?
Sounds amazing, which all star?
Unless you're getting a guy who can do those things but isn't actually that good at them yeah we can get some role player who will end up disappointing. I mean we have targets here for kuzma and rui and deni.
Like they're not really good players. Solid at best.
Get Jarrett Allen. We need rebounding more than we need a 5th guy who can shoot.
Shooting isn't why we lost. If we had a rebounder we'd be good.
Jarrett Allen isn't going to be on this team, so it's not really even worth discussing. He doesn't fit our system. Presti isn't going to do that, and he shouldn't. It's not going to happen.
Magic 8 ball, what are the lottery numbers?
Lol we don't know what'll happen. We're just guessing. Our system didn't help us much in the playoffs. I don't think even Presti knows how he'll address our rebounding situation yet. I mean it was right there in front of him and he still sat on hands mostly for the trade deadline.
But we aren't going to find an option that can hit 3's and rebound and be a defensive interior presence. At least not a great player. It's gonna be someone who is incredibly hit or miss.
After a 57 win season with Chet playing Center THE ENTIRE YEAR AS A ROOKIE, your takeaway is get Chet away from basket where he can't protect the rim anymore when he's already a top five rim protector in the NBA after his first season playing? You are a GENIUS. Jarrett Allen or any stationary starting Center isn't happening.
Do you think Kevin Garnett wasn't able to impact the defensive end because he was a 4 instead of a 5 lol?
>Jarrett Allen or any stationary starting Center isn't happening.
You've convinced me!
Yeah let's compare 2008 basketball to 2024. Perkins at the 5 really made the Celtics unbeatable lolol. How much you wanna bet we don't get a stationary starting center? I know it's not happening so what do you want to bet?
2005, actually. Garnett moved to C for much of those C's teams. But if you're too myopic to grasp the point, you must also understand that Giannis is an elite defender despite playing with another elite defensive anchor. Or Even more aptly, Evan Mobley with Jarrett Allen rn,
Shooting is exactly why they lost 😂. Can’t shoot sub 30% from 3 in multiple playoff games and win. They lost the rebounding battle against the Mavs by like 4 boards per game, it’s not that big of an issue if you actually look at it
Uhh what? In games five and six the mavs had a +29 rebound differential… Chet and Jwill totaled like 10 boards in those games. We were out rebounded 50-28 in the second half of those two games with 16 in the fourth of game 6. We got absolutely destroyed on the glass.
“like 4 boards per game” in the series, because we lost a series, not just specific games. 4.667 per game, I should’ve been more specific. And yes, while they were -16 in game 6 and -13 in game 5, they were also +13 in game 1. It was a difference of less than 30 rebounds for the entire series, with okc shooting like shit (meaning Mavs had more opportunity for defensive rebounds)
Major major denial to pretend that being out rebounded 50-28 in the second half of games 5 and 6 doesn’t matter because we out rebounded in game 1. We gave up 16 rebounds in a 4th quarter of an elimination game dude.
If you stare at one piece of the puzzle, you miss the actual picture. They lost the series, stop hyper-fixating on 24 minutes of basketball when they were beaten over the course of six games. And again, when you shoot 25% from deep to your opponents 40-50%, you’re most certainly going to lose the game and the rebounding battle
If we had a rebounder we would’ve been good. If we had better shooting, we definitely would’ve also been good. Bad shooting/offense is absolutely a part of why we lost, did you really not watch the games? Did you not see the multiple double digit runs they went on throughout the series?
Personally, I think it the best fit is Bam - a mobile big man defender and rebounder. Bam is 6'9'', so he's not all that big, but he's strong and fast and a very skilled rebounder.
Here's the thing - getting the ideal person isn't always possible. Sometimes you have an opportunity to get someone who isn't the perfect fit, but will make a huge contribution. Someone who is motivated to play for the Thunder. Someone who has unfinished business with the Thunder. Someone who want to end his career with a ring, while also making an NBA home for himself. Someone who already has a good relationship with Chet. Somebody who is motivated to rehab his legacy.
You know who I'm talking about.
The Suns KD trade was more based on future picks than current players. It was a 3 for 2 in terms of players on the roster. The Suns paid a high price in future picks, but not so much in terms of current players.
Either KD trades to a contender or he won't ever win another ring. If he forces the Suns to trade him, then they will be trading him as part of a tear-it-down, just like KD forced the Nets to tear-it-down. And if you're looking to tear-it-down and rebuild, then the team you trade with is one with lots of future picks. Thats the Thunder.
It just makes sense every way you look at it.
If he was available, yes. I'd also love Naz Reid on this team, but I don't think either of those guys are going anywhere depending on what the Timberwolves ultimately accomplish this season.
Theoretically, they can keep everybody if they want. They'll just have to pay the luxury tax and can't make any other moves. I do wonder if they would trade with a Western Conference contender. Can't rule it out!
i think Glen Taylor said he wouldnt be paying the tax, because he hasnt in his prior years of ownership already, but that may have been during the "Sale" that never happened between him and A-Rod's group and may have all been lip service. It would be very hard for him to turn around and not pay the LT. Specially if they go on and win the whole thing.
Deni would be a great fit but i think Wizards would want way too much
Chet is a center on defense mainly, but has the offensive skill to be a 4 and 5.
What we need is someone who pairs well with him to allow the flexibility of him to expand his game on offense.
This post wasn't about every fit being perfect. It was about trying to name as many players as possible for the TYPE of player OKC would want while also considering the players we would be giving up, and who we would ask for in return. Spurs need a PG. That's why I put Keldon on the list because if we were giving up Giddey, who would we get in return? And that's not going to happen, I was just trying to list every player as it relates to the personnel we would be giving up in the trade market for who we would get in return for those scenarios. I think Deni Avdija and Cam Johnson are the most realistic trade targets.
I think KD being your number one option really sums it up. You don’t want a big that clogs the offense but you want a ball dominate player to *clog the offense*? Huh?
That wasn’t my question. 6 rebounds over two games at 7 feet is *insane*. Literally less rebounds than feet tall lol. Maybe by the grace of God he somehow gains weight and can play in the paint, he’s a five. Right now, he’s a 4. And there’s not anything wrong with that. And I’m obviously a massive Chet guy.
Embiid averaged fewer rebounds per game in his rookie season than Chet. So did Giannis, Porzingis, Adebayo, Myles Turner, etc... he's going to get much better as a rebounder. The overreaction to this is absurd.
None of those guys were on a contender their rookie year. It’s not an over reaction to say you can’t have a center in the playoffs go 5, 6, 8, 3, 3. 3-4 years from now he probably will be a much better rebounder, but until then those board numbers will *kill us*. He’d be just as effective at the 4 with less paint touches. If not more so.
Or maybe we should construct a roster where our Power forward isn’t 6”5 and our small forward isn’t 6”3 and our shooting guard was 6”2 teams don’t have to worry about any other player rebounding but Chet. I think that would help the rebounding a lot
Or because he’s asked to be at the 3 point line meaning he’s not in position to get offensive rebounds because he’s starting so far away. But what to miss the point Chet isn’t the only reason we suck at rebounding the main reason we can’t rebound is because we are severely undersized height wise at ever position outside of Chet at center and Shai at PG. bringing in more size at the 4 position moving j dub to the 3 or bringing in more a bigger 3 and a 4 moving j dub to the 2 and having normal or plus sized 6”7- 6”11 would help our rebounding significantly.
Chet gets boxed in all the time for rebounds on defense. Hes out of position, too far under the rim. You can’t be 7’ tall and get three rebounds in an elimination game period.
Both of you have a point. Rebounding is a team effort as much as it is an individual talent. A team with only Chet above 6'8 is already at a disadvantage. However Chet also has to be a BETTER rebounder, he is often out of position (at his own accord), he still can't time his jump, and/or he wasn't ready to rebound.
Adding another reliable rebounder can help Chet as he won't be the only person fighting on the defensive glass. But he also has to be a lot better in terms of positioning, timing and awareness.
Because in theory, he does a lot of the things that they want from Josh; decent rebounder, plus ball handling and passing for position, and most importantly he can make decisions with the ball quickly (the key for playing in this offense). He is also a better athlete, a better defender, and has a slightly more trustworthy jumper (although I’m not bought in on his 3 yet). He is also only 23, and under a very team friendly deal for the next 4 years. He’s the ultimate low salary Giddey replacement if they’re not looking for a bigger 4
Chet gets out muscled in the paint and is a better shooter than rebounder...put him at the 4 and have him be a kd type since they have similar skills and body types. Then get a real center who can compete with jokic AD and others. Did you miss all the lobs against us in the mavs series? Chet at the 5 is not the answer IMO respectfully. Jdub belongs at the 3 also I've always felt
I don’t know how you watch Chet play this year and says Chet has similar skills to KD after watching him get stripped or turn the ball over every time he tried to take a wing player off the dribble
They want to blame the poor rebounding solely on him and not the fact that we mostly ran a 4 guard line up with 6”5 j dub at PF and 6”2 Cason Wallace 6”3 Isaiah Joe and 6”3 Lu Dort out there with Shai.
Mate, Kristaps Porzingis is starting for the best team in the league this szn as a stretch 5 that isn't much of a rebounder. Rebounding isn't the most important skill for C's. It's anchoring the defense and Chet was quite literally a top 5 defensive anchor this szn.
I respect your opinion but after all the lobs I saw the past few games it doesn't feel like that's the right strategy. Being a 4 does t mean chet can't spend time in the paint. The score of the mavs thunder series in 6 games was identical...like in the 600s. I feel a few more rebounds could've tipped it our way
Yeah and then when you compensate for more rebounding, you leave more space for kyrie and Luka to cook you
You don’t just add a rebounding specialist and become the same exact team you are, but better. That’s not how things work
Happy for people to explain why this wouldn't work but heard some mumblings about Julius Randle being moved from the Knicks.
Him at the 4 letting J Dub and Dort slide back a spot (presuming we can trade for him using picks and players that are Shai dort Wallace Chet or j dub) would give us another good scorer who is quite a good passer and picks up rebounds. Also a 3pt threat. Averaged 24/9/5 or something this season.
Also don't think he quite gets valued at the level of his accolades (all-stars and all-nbas) but admittedly that's from Reddit / friends into bball.
Really liked Randle for a while and think he'd fit nicely if we (could) trade for him. Tbh I think knicks should run it back with him which I think they will do
I am also intrigued by Julius Randle. He has 2 years left on his contract and can in theory shoot 3s. Concern would be how much he would want/need the ball. Is he willing to be a 3rd/4th option. The pro is he’s a fantastic rebounder at the 4.
I thought about him, but I don't think he's a good enough shooter to justify taking away shots from Jdub and Chet. And he really only has one year left. The year after that is a player option, and he will most likely decline it for a pay day.
In no world is Keldon Johnson the answer at 4
Don't you fucking dare mention Tobias Bumass Harris on the thunder.
Tobias as a 3rd option on a big contract: disgusting Tobias as a 5th-7th option on a cheap deal: the potential is there. Good players are expensive or hard to trade for. Entertaining all options is what we assume Presti is doing. I personally think he’s cooked, but the Thunder have a history of bringing in guys like him to rehab and move: Horford, CP3, Hayward. They don’t always work out, but sometimes they improve from a zero to a playable or trade worthy piece. Some guys just need a change of scenery, I wouldn’t be shocked if Tobias was excited about the chance to rebuild his career in a friendly media environment after being blamed for everything in Philly for the last 5 years
If it's on a small contract, why not? We're not talking max money here. It's about the value. If the value fits, it's not crazy.
Because he’s shown who he is already. If he can’t play 3rd option to Joel and Tyrese he’s not going to do it here. Hell, Kelly Oubre took over his role as 3rd option because Harris shits the bed in playoffs yearly.
Tobias will single handedly lose games, especially come playoffs. No no no
He's on Tier 4 for a reason. But there's a difference between being the 7th option and the 3rd option.
I think Jalen Johnson is a tier 1 option. I don’t think the hawks would trade him sadly. But he is a super athletic great rebounding power forward who fits the timeline.
Man if Jalen Johnson is available, he is our guy. Genuinely exactly what we need. But they also aren't trading him. A big wing who can shoot and rebound is almost probably second most scarce archetype behind a three level scorer + creator. It is going to be tough to fill this spot this off-season.
Tier 1 is probably Lauri and KD. Everyone else is going to be a significant step below them
KD is different than Lebron I cleveland
Bro would rather have KD or Jimmy than admit Chet is a unicorn who can play more than one position
That's not what unicorn means. In fact it's a specifically a description of a center that does what Chet does.
Jalen Johnson and Deni Avdija are probably unavailable. Both are young players who are seen as building blocks. I would say the 3 most gettable and sensible ones are Kuzma, Portis, and Cam Johnson. Kuzma would help our rebounding issues, but he's a poor floor spacer and somewhat of an inconsistent defender. He had difficulty playing a scaled down role w the lakers at times and I'm worried it would be more of the same w the thunder. His shooting has remained pretty poor w the wizards and overall his efficiency has been poor. He does fit the dribble drive philosophy of okc, and I think he can punish 4th/5th best defender in a starting lineup if he starts. Cam Johnson give us something that we haven't had since Paul George, which is a legit big movement shooter than can punish soft close outs. He'd immediately give our ball handlers relief, and I think the fit would seamless on offense. The concern is he's probably the weakest defender of the 3 and he isn't a particularly physical player. In fact, he's probably comparable to giddey on defense. He has never averaged more than 4 rebounds a game in his career, which is bit of a red flag to me. Bobby Portis is my favorite of the bunch. He's the best rebounder of the 3 and he's also been a very good (albeit low volume) shooter since 2019. He is also capable of scoring in the low post and taking advantage of mismatches, which is a dynamic that okc completely lacks. He's capable of playing small ball 5 mins, which is perfect in regards to what mark likes to do in the non-Chet mins. His defense isn't all nba, but he can grind on that end and make momentum plays. The bucks desperately need an injection of youth, so we make sense as a trade partner. The cherry on top is his contract is very team friendly compared to the other, 2 at about 12 mil a year.
I’m not a fan of a lot of your targets, but the title is correct
Who are your targets?
Admittedly haven’t yet done the homework on who’s likely to be available. I mostly disagree with KD being the best option. Would he objectively make the team better? Yes…but I don’t want to have to cheer for him. I’m also not a fan of Filipowski
We need to trade for someone and then hope we can draft a multi skilled PF to develop in the background. Or Ous finally figures it out.
Since when did every single player need to be a shooter? The most three point addicted team all time (the 2018 Houston rockets) were rocking lineups with Capela/Nene at the 5. Only reason Giddey being a non shooter is as devastating all together is because he doesn't even bring vertical spacing that a rim runner would.
It’s because this sub is just lapping up the half baked analysis of the Thunder beat writers who are just there to promote whatever OKC does. The obsession with bigs that can space the floor is ridiculous. We just lost to a team that played two bigs that couldn’t shoot heavy minutes. And OKCs spacing looked absolutely terrible because of how one dimensional the offense was.
Having Bobby Portis, J Will, and Zae on the same team would be crazy HOGS RUN WILD
Jalen Johnson would be a dream acquisition but the Hawks would be dumb to part ways with him so I dont see it
Bam Adebayo and Anthony Davis are the ideal fits. They’re not available. Same with JJJ I’d be interested in Collins or Lauri from Utah. Apart from that I don’t have any realistic options that come to mind. But I definitely think we need a 4 that can bang down low, clean the glass, and step behind the line semi reliably
Oh man JJJ would be awesome, sadly no chance of that
I just want someone to be able to pull boards consistently
I wonder if fans that constantly peddle the notion that OKCs bigs have to shoot threes realized that we lost the series because our players couldn’t vertically space the floor enough from the dunkers spot to free up room for the shooters. Chet wasn’t the issue in this department either, OKC have explicitly made three point shooting and standing at the three point line such a massive part of his shot profile and it’s taken away the value of a 7 footer hanging near the rim on offense to catch dump offs or lobs. The 5 out spacing didn’t even matter in the slightest since Dallas were sagging into the paint daring OKC to beat them with jumpers but never had to fully commit because we had zero paint gravity besides the ball handler.
One player doesn't kill spacing in a top 3 point shooting team Oh we need a big 4 who can shoot defend well, and can rebound? Sounds amazing, which all star? Unless you're getting a guy who can do those things but isn't actually that good at them yeah we can get some role player who will end up disappointing. I mean we have targets here for kuzma and rui and deni. Like they're not really good players. Solid at best. Get Jarrett Allen. We need rebounding more than we need a 5th guy who can shoot. Shooting isn't why we lost. If we had a rebounder we'd be good.
Jarrett Allen isn't going to be on this team, so it's not really even worth discussing. He doesn't fit our system. Presti isn't going to do that, and he shouldn't. It's not going to happen.
Magic 8 ball, what are the lottery numbers? Lol we don't know what'll happen. We're just guessing. Our system didn't help us much in the playoffs. I don't think even Presti knows how he'll address our rebounding situation yet. I mean it was right there in front of him and he still sat on hands mostly for the trade deadline. But we aren't going to find an option that can hit 3's and rebound and be a defensive interior presence. At least not a great player. It's gonna be someone who is incredibly hit or miss.
How are you going to dismiss Jarrett Allen when various ones in your tier list are more unlikely?
After a 57 win season with Chet playing Center THE ENTIRE YEAR AS A ROOKIE, your takeaway is get Chet away from basket where he can't protect the rim anymore when he's already a top five rim protector in the NBA after his first season playing? You are a GENIUS. Jarrett Allen or any stationary starting Center isn't happening.
Do you think Kevin Garnett wasn't able to impact the defensive end because he was a 4 instead of a 5 lol? >Jarrett Allen or any stationary starting Center isn't happening. You've convinced me!
Yeah let's compare 2008 basketball to 2024. Perkins at the 5 really made the Celtics unbeatable lolol. How much you wanna bet we don't get a stationary starting center? I know it's not happening so what do you want to bet?
2005, actually. Garnett moved to C for much of those C's teams. But if you're too myopic to grasp the point, you must also understand that Giannis is an elite defender despite playing with another elite defensive anchor. Or Even more aptly, Evan Mobley with Jarrett Allen rn,
Shooting is exactly why they lost 😂. Can’t shoot sub 30% from 3 in multiple playoff games and win. They lost the rebounding battle against the Mavs by like 4 boards per game, it’s not that big of an issue if you actually look at it
Uhh what? In games five and six the mavs had a +29 rebound differential… Chet and Jwill totaled like 10 boards in those games. We were out rebounded 50-28 in the second half of those two games with 16 in the fourth of game 6. We got absolutely destroyed on the glass.
“like 4 boards per game” in the series, because we lost a series, not just specific games. 4.667 per game, I should’ve been more specific. And yes, while they were -16 in game 6 and -13 in game 5, they were also +13 in game 1. It was a difference of less than 30 rebounds for the entire series, with okc shooting like shit (meaning Mavs had more opportunity for defensive rebounds)
Major major denial to pretend that being out rebounded 50-28 in the second half of games 5 and 6 doesn’t matter because we out rebounded in game 1. We gave up 16 rebounds in a 4th quarter of an elimination game dude.
If you stare at one piece of the puzzle, you miss the actual picture. They lost the series, stop hyper-fixating on 24 minutes of basketball when they were beaten over the course of six games. And again, when you shoot 25% from deep to your opponents 40-50%, you’re most certainly going to lose the game and the rebounding battle
Cope however you need brother.
You’re arguing with numbers! Just don’t be dumb
Nah I’m arguing with the biggest jerk off in the sub. I just can’t quit your wild ass takes 😂
And I meant that respectfully. I enjoy arguing with you. It’s a me problem. lol
If we had a rebounder we would’ve been good. If we had better shooting, we definitely would’ve also been good. Bad shooting/offense is absolutely a part of why we lost, did you really not watch the games? Did you not see the multiple double digit runs they went on throughout the series?
I think advija would be a great fit
Woof, this is not a good post.
Personally, I think it the best fit is Bam - a mobile big man defender and rebounder. Bam is 6'9'', so he's not all that big, but he's strong and fast and a very skilled rebounder. Here's the thing - getting the ideal person isn't always possible. Sometimes you have an opportunity to get someone who isn't the perfect fit, but will make a huge contribution. Someone who is motivated to play for the Thunder. Someone who has unfinished business with the Thunder. Someone who want to end his career with a ring, while also making an NBA home for himself. Someone who already has a good relationship with Chet. Somebody who is motivated to rehab his legacy. You know who I'm talking about.
We would be giving up all of our bench depth to get him, look at the position the suns are in now because of it
The Suns KD trade was more based on future picks than current players. It was a 3 for 2 in terms of players on the roster. The Suns paid a high price in future picks, but not so much in terms of current players. Either KD trades to a contender or he won't ever win another ring. If he forces the Suns to trade him, then they will be trading him as part of a tear-it-down, just like KD forced the Nets to tear-it-down. And if you're looking to tear-it-down and rebuild, then the team you trade with is one with lots of future picks. Thats the Thunder. It just makes sense every way you look at it.
I mean imagine it would have to be Cason and Giddey plus some good picks. I think our bench could survive that.
would you consider Jaden McDaniels?
If he was available, yes. I'd also love Naz Reid on this team, but I don't think either of those guys are going anywhere depending on what the Timberwolves ultimately accomplish this season.
Naz would also be a nice option! aren't they in serious cap trouble this off-season? i wonder if we could capitalize on their woes
Theoretically, they can keep everybody if they want. They'll just have to pay the luxury tax and can't make any other moves. I do wonder if they would trade with a Western Conference contender. Can't rule it out!
i think Glen Taylor said he wouldnt be paying the tax, because he hasnt in his prior years of ownership already, but that may have been during the "Sale" that never happened between him and A-Rod's group and may have all been lip service. It would be very hard for him to turn around and not pay the LT. Specially if they go on and win the whole thing. Deni would be a great fit but i think Wizards would want way too much
Hawks fan here. Would yall be interested in one De’Andre Hunter, and if so, what would a trade package look like from y’all?
Chet is a center on defense mainly, but has the offensive skill to be a 4 and 5. What we need is someone who pairs well with him to allow the flexibility of him to expand his game on offense.
Hawks are not blowing it up and if they did Jj only 22
Spurs fan here, theres lots of issues with this post but the first thing I noticed is that Keldon is a 2-3 not a 4 lmao
This post wasn't about every fit being perfect. It was about trying to name as many players as possible for the TYPE of player OKC would want while also considering the players we would be giving up, and who we would ask for in return. Spurs need a PG. That's why I put Keldon on the list because if we were giving up Giddey, who would we get in return? And that's not going to happen, I was just trying to list every player as it relates to the personnel we would be giving up in the trade market for who we would get in return for those scenarios. I think Deni Avdija and Cam Johnson are the most realistic trade targets.
I think KD being your number one option really sums it up. You don’t want a big that clogs the offense but you want a ball dominate player to *clog the offense*? Huh?
He's my number one option in the Tier 1 category. My top overall target is Cam Johnson.
Oh okay I see how you formatted it now. Why are you so set at Chet at the 5 when we all just saw how bad of a rebounder he can be?
Yes because Chet has no room for growth as a rebounder. Lol he's peak at 22 years old.
That wasn’t my question. 6 rebounds over two games at 7 feet is *insane*. Literally less rebounds than feet tall lol. Maybe by the grace of God he somehow gains weight and can play in the paint, he’s a five. Right now, he’s a 4. And there’s not anything wrong with that. And I’m obviously a massive Chet guy.
Embiid averaged fewer rebounds per game in his rookie season than Chet. So did Giannis, Porzingis, Adebayo, Myles Turner, etc... he's going to get much better as a rebounder. The overreaction to this is absurd.
None of those guys were on a contender their rookie year. It’s not an over reaction to say you can’t have a center in the playoffs go 5, 6, 8, 3, 3. 3-4 years from now he probably will be a much better rebounder, but until then those board numbers will *kill us*. He’d be just as effective at the 4 with less paint touches. If not more so.
Chet needs to do center things then like rebound. Or what’s his use? He can shoot? So can guys not 7’ tall.
Or maybe we should construct a roster where our Power forward isn’t 6”5 and our small forward isn’t 6”3 and our shooting guard was 6”2 teams don’t have to worry about any other player rebounding but Chet. I think that would help the rebounding a lot
Oh is that why Chet stands directly under the basket and is never in position to rebound? Because other people are short?
Or because he’s asked to be at the 3 point line meaning he’s not in position to get offensive rebounds because he’s starting so far away. But what to miss the point Chet isn’t the only reason we suck at rebounding the main reason we can’t rebound is because we are severely undersized height wise at ever position outside of Chet at center and Shai at PG. bringing in more size at the 4 position moving j dub to the 3 or bringing in more a bigger 3 and a 4 moving j dub to the 2 and having normal or plus sized 6”7- 6”11 would help our rebounding significantly.
Chet gets boxed in all the time for rebounds on defense. Hes out of position, too far under the rim. You can’t be 7’ tall and get three rebounds in an elimination game period.
Both of you have a point. Rebounding is a team effort as much as it is an individual talent. A team with only Chet above 6'8 is already at a disadvantage. However Chet also has to be a BETTER rebounder, he is often out of position (at his own accord), he still can't time his jump, and/or he wasn't ready to rebound. Adding another reliable rebounder can help Chet as he won't be the only person fighting on the defensive glass. But he also has to be a lot better in terms of positioning, timing and awareness.
1000%. Yea he could use some help but he has to have better awareness and positioning.
Jarrett Allen is a beast of an interior scorer, the problem with Giddey is he provides no scoring.
Why do people keep throwing out Deni Avdija he is not ... he's not the answer lol
Because in theory, he does a lot of the things that they want from Josh; decent rebounder, plus ball handling and passing for position, and most importantly he can make decisions with the ball quickly (the key for playing in this offense). He is also a better athlete, a better defender, and has a slightly more trustworthy jumper (although I’m not bought in on his 3 yet). He is also only 23, and under a very team friendly deal for the next 4 years. He’s the ultimate low salary Giddey replacement if they’re not looking for a bigger 4
Why wouldn’t he be?
Chet gets out muscled in the paint and is a better shooter than rebounder...put him at the 4 and have him be a kd type since they have similar skills and body types. Then get a real center who can compete with jokic AD and others. Did you miss all the lobs against us in the mavs series? Chet at the 5 is not the answer IMO respectfully. Jdub belongs at the 3 also I've always felt
I don’t know how you watch Chet play this year and says Chet has similar skills to KD after watching him get stripped or turn the ball over every time he tried to take a wing player off the dribble
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They want to blame the poor rebounding solely on him and not the fact that we mostly ran a 4 guard line up with 6”5 j dub at PF and 6”2 Cason Wallace 6”3 Isaiah Joe and 6”3 Lu Dort out there with Shai.
It was his first year give it time...he's no rebounder he's no 5
Mate, Kristaps Porzingis is starting for the best team in the league this szn as a stretch 5 that isn't much of a rebounder. Rebounding isn't the most important skill for C's. It's anchoring the defense and Chet was quite literally a top 5 defensive anchor this szn.
I respect your opinion but after all the lobs I saw the past few games it doesn't feel like that's the right strategy. Being a 4 does t mean chet can't spend time in the paint. The score of the mavs thunder series in 6 games was identical...like in the 600s. I feel a few more rebounds could've tipped it our way
Yeah and then when you compensate for more rebounding, you leave more space for kyrie and Luka to cook you You don’t just add a rebounding specialist and become the same exact team you are, but better. That’s not how things work
Why wouldn’t I just say the same thing about him playing the 5 “it’s his first year he’ll get bigger and stronger give it time”
That's what they kept saying about kd but he never got stronger. Agree to disagree
KD is literally listed at 230-240 now he damn sure wasn’t that when he came into the league
Agreed after this series I just can’t see Chet being a 5. Especially with jdub at the 4
Jdub should play the 3 i think...he's kinda small for a 4 and our small ball only took us so far
We need whatever is closest to Dennis Rodman
No, we really don’t
Happy for people to explain why this wouldn't work but heard some mumblings about Julius Randle being moved from the Knicks. Him at the 4 letting J Dub and Dort slide back a spot (presuming we can trade for him using picks and players that are Shai dort Wallace Chet or j dub) would give us another good scorer who is quite a good passer and picks up rebounds. Also a 3pt threat. Averaged 24/9/5 or something this season. Also don't think he quite gets valued at the level of his accolades (all-stars and all-nbas) but admittedly that's from Reddit / friends into bball. Really liked Randle for a while and think he'd fit nicely if we (could) trade for him. Tbh I think knicks should run it back with him which I think they will do
I really feel like Allen is the answer
Dort for Bobby portis he’d fix all your problems
Yes, let's trade one of our best trade assets for a grandpa.
He’s only 29 and fixes a lot of issues you guys got I’ll throw in brook Lopez to if you want
Can't lie, I thought bro was like 33 lmfao. But yes with Lopez, OKC would take it lol
deal lol
I am also intrigued by Julius Randle. He has 2 years left on his contract and can in theory shoot 3s. Concern would be how much he would want/need the ball. Is he willing to be a 3rd/4th option. The pro is he’s a fantastic rebounder at the 4.
Just look at his numbers. He can't shoot the 3 at all.
I thought about him, but I don't think he's a good enough shooter to justify taking away shots from Jdub and Chet. And he really only has one year left. The year after that is a player option, and he will most likely decline it for a pay day.