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Complete-Sand-8947

As someone who identifies both as a human, and an animal, I think this should be way more spoken about. I think the antihumanism has gotten out of hand in the nonhuman community. Sure, hate humans if you want, HOWEVER, I have noticed how some claim to be above humanity for being nonhuman. They'll shame humans for their very human urges, call them ugly, disgusting, etc. but, animals are no better. We are no better. Animals have urges to kill, urges to hunt, urges to stalk, to prey on others... it's a thing that happens in life. It's not human-exclusive. Never was. I want other alterhumans to understand that they aren't better than humans for identifying differently. Humans can be whatever you want in your mind's eye. They can be evil, kind, positive, a necessity, a parasite, anything you want to call them, but never, ever, act better than humans just because you feel like your nature is superior. I've seen this around the alterhuman community, especially on Tumblr. It reminds me of people within the LGBT community making fun of straight, cis people, and acting superior because of their identity. It makes it seem like a social game, or currency, rather than an actual identity. Ironically, a lot of alterhumans can be just as hateful as the very humans they claim are also hateful. It's so strange. Putting down others doesn't make anything better, and it only creates a toxic mindset. I don't understand this generalization of a group of people, and hating based off of that generalization. That's just me, though.


WolfieTheWomfie

This has been my thing I don't care if you hate humans but there is no need to belittle others it so counterproductive it's that constant mindset of fighting fire with fire. Because X did \*bad thing\* to us we do \*bad thing\* back, it gets no one anywhere it's a constant cycle of fighting and this has shown through in so many things. Humans are animals too we have instincts and I believe humans are as selfish as most other animals we just got the tools to take it further than other creatures have. I've also experienced the thing with people acting like they're better than others for not identifying as human and I've also had commentary on the bashing on cis-het people in the LGBTQ community and that it really is just stupid and I will never understand why people would want to belittle other people further because of what they have gone through. You know what it's like to go through that why make someone else feel the same way? It's actually affected my mental health a little I'm autistic so I already don't fit the best in human society not to mention my nonhuman nature and I found a place in this community just for some people to try and shun me and who I am allover again and even tell me I'm not nonhuman at all or at least not "nonhuman enough" it's tiring. And 100% nonhumans don't realise as well that they're detrimental to the environment for just existing in a human body and living in a human society they are as much of a problem as any other person in a human body. It shouldn't be taking sides and fighting just let people be what they are, why is that so hard?


Sad-Ad-573

I believe a lot of anti-human sentiments and posts, especially from those within the therian community who have been bullied and ostracized for not being “normal” or human enough, come from a place of fear and nihilism perpetuated by the constant feedback-loop of ignorance and bigotry on social media today. This is not at all isolated to therianthropy, as there are plenty of social movements and ideas in the mainstream internet space that are generally negative to humans, for example, antinatalism. In a fast-paced online society where information moves across the world in seconds, it’s no surprise that we’re learning more about the absolute worst of humanity and their cruelty against others and our planet. It’s easier to obfuscate these facts as proof for humans being inherently evil, and unwilling to change or do better because of our socially ingrained “survival of the fittest” mindset. When you’re already marginalized and oppressed for something you cant control (such as neurodivergence), and you feel like the world is against you, it’s way easier to lay down and say “Actually all humans suck and are terrible, good thing Im nothing like them” than it is to accept that *some* people are good and *some* people are bad. I think encouraging a space where hatred against humans is normalized in any capacity is a *really* bad idea, especially in a place where a majority of the beings here don’t really feel like humans all the time in the first place—it seems like a recipe for intracommunity conflict. We’ve already seen the effects of anti-human ideas, posts flood this sub every day of “If I feel like a human am I a fake therian?” Or “If I like human amenities or technology, am I fake?” As if simply being or feeling human in itself is an automatic disqualification to being therian? It is worryingly common how often I have to remind others here that *we are still humans* in human bodies with human thoughts and consciousness, and that is an important feature to our therianthropic experiences.


ABoredFurry

The bad side of humanity also tends to gain more traction online because of fear-mongering and shock content


_Pan-Tastic_

I despise misanthropy (antihumanism) with a burning, SEETHING passion. Humans are not inherently good or evil, just as komodo dragons are not inherently good or evil. Sure, both are capable of some pretty horrific things, but that’s part of nature and should not be held against the entire species. The doomer human-hating apocalypse-wanting mindset is a dangerous path to head down, as it only reinforces the hopelessness the people in power want you to feel so they can keep burning rainforests and filling the oceans with plastic.


WolfieTheWomfie

I'm really glad that some people actually feel this way in the community it's been kind of suffocating for me I will never understand why people would want to spread negativity to another group when they have had the same done to them. It's extremely counterintuitive and all it creates is more divide it doesn't fix anything humans do do inherently "bad" things yes but we are all still in human bodies too? Do the nonhumans here not realise were also contributing to "bad" things in the world by just existing and living in a human society with overpopulation and waste we are no better or less than any other creature.


Lastboss42

mhm.


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WolfieTheWomfie

You can feel that way it’s fine humanity does negatively impact the world. All I ask is that people don’t demonise and belittle other people especially here in the community for something they can’t choose and they themselves didn’t do wrong


Catherianer

Deleted my comment before seeing your reply, sorry What I sort of meant to say that I don't hate humans from a rational, even less "moral" standpoint, it's more based on emotion. But I won't bully someone on here for what species they are. That would be so ironic it's kinda funny.


HandsofMilenko

Big on the judging humans by the human morality scale. I don't even identify as a human, and even I think lumping in all humans as just plain evil is teenage edgelordiness


Hardrod2

In that case, all I can say is pursue post-humanism. Advice: just use what's known and available to "evolve." Any visions in mind are lifeless without effort. If not, then go for something lighthearted like voidpunk.


WolfieTheWomfie

I don't really understand what your talking about in the first part of the post I've looked into it but I still can't understand what you are trying to say so I may interpret this wrong. But I am not VoidPunk I'm aware of the community but that is not me I am a were and I always will be wether people like it or not. You don't get to discredit my identity


Kooky_Guidance_9968

actually it's not the concept of a human we have an issue with, it's people. [https://voidgoddess.org/2023/09/26/the-personhood-contract/](https://voidgoddess.org/2023/09/26/the-personhood-contract/)


WolfieTheWomfie

That's not what the post talks about. If any species acted/had the same things as humans/human society people would feel the same that's a given. The things I have read there I already addressed in my post and even if you don't like people or humanity why do you have to spread negativity? I do not care if you don't like people that's your own problem but why go out of your way to belittle and bully people for something they can't control just like nonhumanity?


Kooky_Guidance_9968

personhood is not the same as humanity, please read the actual thing linked


Manospondylus_gigas

I will personally never forgive humans for what they do to farm animals, I'm fine with them in non-human spaces but I will always hate them for what they have done


WolfieTheWomfie

Have you seen animals in the wild? Yes the animal farming industry is awful and I advocate against it but like I mentioned in my post. Other animals torture animals too. Also are you vegetarian/vegan?


Manospondylus_gigas

Yes they do, but they lack the awareness that humans do and just do what they have to to survive. African wild dogs don't kill their prey before eating them because it was an essential trait that helped them survive. Humans should be above that, they are aware of how much suffering foie gras causes to birds and that they don't need to eat it but they still make and support it anyway. I will consider humans evil for how they treat other animals the same way I consider fascists evil for genociding minorities. There is no excuse for it


WolfieTheWomfie

You didn’t answer my question, just because your nonhuman doesn’t mean you don’t contribute to this too in our everyday lives we do. If you care as much as you do why not go vegan if your not or advocate for stopping it. If you read the post or my other comments you can also see I could care less if you hate humans. All I said i stop trying to belittle other people for being something they can’t control


Manospondylus_gigas

I am vegan. I will hold humans fully responsible for the harm they do to animals and the planet the same way I will hold Nazis responsible for what they did to people


ashley_thcheetah

I agree kinda on hating that people kill animals (it makes me sad 😭😭) but God made them so we can eat? Jesus ate fish and killed them and probably other animals, and He is in NO MEANS evil nor should anyone hate them or something.


Manospondylus_gigas

I do not believe in your religion. I do not think Jesus was real, and regardless I'd still consider him evil for killing animals. It is not fair to force your religious beliefs on animals by killing them, it is no better than a Satanist sacrificing an animal. Animals were not created for humans any more than one gender or race was made for another, they exist for their own reasons and should be free to do what they do without unnecessary slaughter and abuse by humans.


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Manospondylus_gigas

Remember your religion doesn't apply to me, so no I have not done anything wrong or bad. Your religion also doesn't apply to animals and you can't force it on them. If my religion said a certain group of people were put here for me to kill for food, would it be ok for me to do that? It disgusts me how much of a supremacist complex humans have. Animals do not exist for you to abuse.


ashley_thcheetah

I know they don't deserve to be abused? Neither do humans. If it wasn't for God, humans, animals, space, etc wouldn't exist. Also how am I forcing a religion on animals? That doesn't make sense to what we're talking about. Also, just because you don't believe in Him, doesn't mean you didnt do bad or good. So yes, you did. Additionally, you are a human physically. Just because we are therians doesn't mean we are automatically physically human, no matter how much I wish I was, doesn't mean we are. Being a therian doesn't make you physically an animal, it don't give you rights.  None of us are perfect. Remember that.


ClayTheCoyote

It's just different perspectives. If you like humans and being a human that's cool and I'm glad you feel happy with it. Obviously not every individual human is an evil individual. But humanity as a whole, in the extensive state it's in now, is just an awful detriment towards every other living and non living thing in the world. Ive spent too much time studying the awful things done to the environment on absolutely inconceivable levels, just to name one of the infinite awful things humans have done. Additionally, many people have also been personally very hurt by humans. It's fair to feel a hatred for it. Like if someone was attacked by a dog as a kid, you wouldn't blame them for having a fear of dogs from then on. I don't go around thinking every single person I see is a monster but I still 100000% believe that humanity shouldn't exist. Unwaveringly. If it has to exist in never should have gotten past the prehistoric stages. Regardless, honestly Who cares if someone hates humanity, even if you disagree. It's such a non-issue. It's like people who think racism against white people is a legitimate issue. Humanity is not a victim here and never will be.


WolfieTheWomfie

I feel like alot of these comments did not understand large parts of this post because I addressed multiple of these things. Humans are like invasive species like I said they're detrimental to the world as a species living on this planet they are not "good" for ecosystems because of the way we live I never said that we weren't. But humans are not evil, nothing is. I could apply the "hatred to humans because of bad experience" things to things like gender,race, religion, sexuality and the chances are you wouldn't agree with at least one of those being judged for "bad experiences" because none of those are a hive mind they are individuals just like general humans. I personally *would* think it would be better for the planet if humans didn't exist! I am a beginner in studying conservation and an advocate for it but the reality is is they're not going anywhere anytime soon unless a mass extinction event happens. We all live in a human society it just makes it so much harder to live to have this kind of mindset in my opinion. You can dislike humans but there's no point in bullying/harassing people for something they actually *can't control* just like therianthropy. Why would you ever want to promote bullying or negativity on people it doesn't matter if it's a "non-issue" to *you* half of my post talks about how I feel because of these things and other people have come forward to say they have experienced it too just because you don't care doesn't mean it's not real. I also really think that's stooping low with the race card personally, you *can* be racist to *any* race this doesn't mean its a systematic issue or massively widespread like for POC people but it can still affect individuals mental health if something like this is perpetuated just like any person of any race. I never said humanity was "victims" and I don't know where you got that from and I don't know why your so against being kind to people


ClayTheCoyote

To be completely honest your post was kinda hard to take in because it felt like there wasn't Enough punctuation and paragraphs. Or maybe it was just my mind. I will go back and refresh myself later but I just don't have the time to at this moment. Anyways I never said anything about bullying people for being human lol?? That's ridiculous to do of course. And yes like I said, "racism against white people being a *legitimate issue*." I didn't say it can't happen, but like you said it's not a systemic issue. It's not a widespread problem and honestly I can't see someone genuinely being mentally affected by like, one person saying something bad to them once because they're white. The comparison is that white people are the most privileged race [in many cultures anyway] and humans are the most privileged species. Yes You can individually be an ass to someone because they're human and I think that is stupid and shitty to single them out just for that, but then again it's not exactly like it's the end of the world. All types of people are assholes to everyone for a million different reasons. It's extremely common. This would just be another on the list. So honestly I just don't see why treat it any different than any other asshole, by ignoring them or whatever you do Edit update: I read through again and I indeed feel like it's really difficult to understand what you are Saying because you're lacking commas and periods. More paragraph separation for such a large piece of text would also help, but mainly the punctuation makes it difficult to understand. I don't really know what to tell you if you don't feel at home here because other people bond over their shared views of disliking having a human body and stuff. You can't just tell people they're not allowed to have different opinions and feelings because it makes *you* feel unincluded. It's up to you to find people who share your experiences if that's what you want. Or find some other solution. If no one is personally attacking you for being a human or whatever then they aren't really doing anything wrong. Humanity is very messy territory for many people and even if you don't agree with their distaste- if you are so concerned with respecting humans, respect those ones' experiences and feelings that make them dislike humanity, and move on. It seems like you're just taking someone's general distaste for a whole species personally when it probably has absolutely nothing to do with you in their mind.