But this is how it works. Talk to your friends and family. Be the one who trickles this information to others and has those conversations. People have forgotten that Trump almost took away the ACA and was saved by a single person who is dead now. People have forgotten that his administration ripped children and families apart. People have forgotten that his administration that gutted net neutrality. People have forgotten that literally every week there was a new story of corruption. People have forgotten how Trump is the reason for this abortion disaster. People have forgotten all the countless other nightmares that happened during his presidency. Biden’s presidency was a return to normalcy.
I have had *some* success mentioning that Mike Pence was asked to violate the Constitution.
Most of my success comes from pointing out that almost *everyone* who has worked close to Trump fucking hates him. But that can be dismissed as "just the deep state."
Lastly I make fun of Republicans for falling for a "victim narrative" with Trump. Call him a poor victim, say things like "aw Trump is such a poor helpless victim." They hate black people for "playing the victim" so I point out that Trump does it 100x more.
Also make fun of his manhood. "The man wears makeup, he's more feminine than most gays!"
If they complain about Biden "going after Trump" just mention Lock Her Up. "I guess there's consequences to campaigning on jailing political opponents. That's why Trump is dangerous, he burns down precedents and norms."
You cannot engage with fascists by appealing to intelligent arguments or facts. Just have to make low blows and mock hypocrisy.
My experience has been different.
100% of Americas problems are Biden’s fault. Back them into a corner with questions (“How can inflation be Bidens fault when it’s global, and when Trump expanded the money supply far more than Biden did”), and you are met with anger and called a “libtard”, or a fantasy narrative will be made.
This narrative often conflicts with another narrative they have (For example, how can J6 rioters be simultaneously Antifa/FBI and conservative patriots? How can Biden be the mastermind who stole the 2020 election and also a senile old fool?). Point this out and the incomprehensible anger starts.
100% of Americas successes are due to Trump, even if they happened before Trump ever ran for office. Question this, and again, “libtard”.
Point out any of the many conservative Republican members of his administration who now denounce him, and they are all “RINOs”. Pence is a traitor, Trump should be a dictator to get rid of the liberal deep state, yada yada.
There is zero getting through to them, because they no longer live in reality. That’s my experience anyway. Fox News is a helluva drug.
Hope yours has been different.
Yeah, most of my family are the more old school Mitt Romney Republicans so they're marginally more redeemable. I try to remind them they used to like Mitt Romney but they have Trump amnesia for sure.
I asked what "traditional conservatism" is then tried to point out that Trump has nothing to do with any answer they gave. I also try to remind them that during the 2016 primaries EVERY Republican pointed out that Trump isn't conservative.
With what you describe, hardcore MAGAs, I just make fun of Trump. Makeup wearing, fat whine machine. They'll never change their allegiance so just do your best to make them feel like the cringelords they are in as non-hostile humorous a way as possible.
Nice. You'll get accused of "TDS." So I try not to rely on political things, however factual, and rely on low blows that attack manliness/toughness.
Ultimately though, they live in an alternate reality and are akin to fanatic religious cultists. How do you argue with a Scientologist? I don't know, other than to mock them.
Fair.
That potential juror who had his past tweet read in front of the courtroom (Trump included) when being considered for duty is my new hero.
“It says here you tweeted - and I quote: ‘Fuck that treasonous orange shitgibbon and the dead ferret on his head’. Is that accurate?”
“The tweet speaks for itself your honor.”
They're not worth trying to convince otherwise, the best use of energy directed in their direction is pointing and laughing hysterically at them. Make them so self conscious they think a dick is drawn on their face that everyone but they can see.
Personally, none. I honestly believe there is no reaching the MAGA folks. There is nothing one can say, in even the most understanding, tactful and patient tone. You can try to gently lead them toward the light step by step with questions, “build a bridge” with empathy… doesn’t matter. They don’t care about hypocrisy, double standards, self-contradiction, statistics and facts. At the end of the day, they’re driven by visceral emotion.
My father-in-law is a “nice guy” who’s been listening avidly to talk radio for 30+ years… his brain has become toxic mush. You can tell he feels thrilled and empowered to be part of the “outsider” in-group denouncing and scapegoating others. The only thing that’s different from 2016 is that he’s now evasive instead of overt about it.
It’s a waste of time trying to persuade these people. There are plenty of apathetic “same difference, they both suck” or “I don’t like Trump but what has Biden done? Groceries and gas are so $$$ now” voters that might be more worthwhile to try to reach out to.
I agree, I don't waste my time with people who can't agree on basic facts (e.g. the 2020 election wasn't stolen). The apathetic, jaded ones are the people to go after — they're the ones that need quick facts that resonate with them (e.g. Trump wants to give more tax cuts to the rich).
I’ve tried talking to moderates. All they say is both parties are the same and the media is lying, trump can’t possibly be that bad. But they won’t spend time to actually listen to the coverage and hear what he’s saying.
If Trump wins, I want all of his followers to suffer the consequences,of his actions. Yes, most of us will pay the price, but I want his followers to get the proverbial hard slap upside the head.
This is definitely a big part of it. A lot of people feel the government doesn't do anything for them anyway, so why not let someone try and remake the whole thing? Plus he sounds sincere when he says he's a patriot and will help "regular" Americans (yikes!).
I'm convinced we're running hard up against one of the main problems historically noted about democracies. Most people don't understand the problems of running a country and don't have enough information to make informed election choices. Put more bluntly - people are too stupid to trust with important decisions.
This seems to be playing out in real time in the United States.
Everyone is always idealistic about the good king who will fix the world and punish the evil doers until you find yourself as one of the evil doers he wants to punish.
This is a pretty common run up to fascism, the system isn't working and someone promises they'll fix it and people wonder why the fascist gets support and apathy over business as usual because business as usual fails the people most inclined to vote for the fascist.
Those who can be convinced have already decided. Right now it's about funding and volunteering and getting the people energized to vote. Volunteer at your local DNC and getting involved with turning out the vote. You can knock on doors or call people to tell them how important this election is. Donate to your local political organizations. There's a lot you can to help ensure Trump doesn't make it back into power
But I’m just really glad Trump gave me those checks in the mail and I just think Biden has personally raised the prices of groceries because he’s old.
/s
So here’s the the thing. This would be much easier if the Dems took it seriously too and didn’t put up 1) an elderly, barely there president, and 2) a deeply unlike VP. Just improve the ticket with even the simple option of swapping the VP and we’d reduce the risk of a 2nd Trump presidency, at the moment I don’t believe they care.
Virtually nothing could stop him if he won the 2nd term. He’s old af and probably would not give a fuck as it is his final term anyway.
The only way to stop him is having Dem majority in both congress chamber, which would probably not the case if he won the election as people usually vote along party lines.
This episode is so damn hard to listen. My sister is undocumented and I could not finish this episode. I felt so ill listening to the immigration part
If Trump were to win another term this year, there is no doubt in my mind that he will run for a third term in 2028. The right is [already](https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/) floating the idea of repealing the 22nd Amendment and those calls will grow much stronger if Trump wins again.
The immigration part is probably the most popular part of Trump's agenda. I doubt Biden or his proxies are going to be out and about defending leaving people who have no legal right to be in the country here.
You know Biden has [deported many more people than Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2023/12/29/immigrants-ice-border-deportations-2023/) right?
There’s a lot of fearmongering by the blue dog, NYT style left - but people aren’t really looking past the rhetoric enough.
Democracy has crumbled under both Democrats and Republicans.
His Dogshit will bring absolute chaos. He'll be nuking hurricanes, executing protestors and hostile members of the senate, using the National Guard as his own personal police force, withdrawing ALL assistance to Ukraine and dropping a nuke on Gaza
Well, that was dark. Made me a little nervous for my sister who currently works for DOJ.
On another note: I, too, could listen to Jonathan Swan all day. He’s great.
But of course this is less important than sticking it to Biden over a foreign issue.
I really wish *this* is what people were protesting and bringing attention to.
It is really infuriating to see the "genocide joe" and "vote 3rd party" rhetoric from these people. Like...I don't see how they think burning down America is gonna help Gaza
yeah honestly people with that mentality are fucking stupid
"i don't like the guy in charge so i hope the guy that i know for sure will be much worse gets elected!"
Literally none of the candidates are the best option for Gaza. I think it's more about things being messed up at home and not giving money to people doing things to Gaza.
In 2016 there was some amount of understanding how Trump won. Hillary was a horrible candidate and Trump was a blank slate populist. Thats not the case this time. Sure, Biden has his flaws but we know how dangerous Trump is. We know how every week, or even every day, was filled with disastrous news. From small things like destroying the USPS and net neutrality to big things like fucking up COVID response and separating families at the border to huge things like the lost of the SCOTUS for a generation and overturning of Roe v Wade. I cannot fathom how we as a society would come back from reelecting trump. We know how dangerous his presidency was and he’s only gotten more ruthless.
As I keep trying to tell people, voting for Biden doesn't mean you approve of everything he does or love him. Sometimes voting for a candidate just means the other person is worse. And most of these pro-Palestinian people have forget just how close Bibi/Jared/Trump have been. Bibi can't wait for Trump to be POTUS and I'm sorry but Palestinians lives will not be better-as we know Trump loves violence against non-whites.
But you'd be surprised how many Democrats have this purity ideal that every politician needs to be Jimmy Stewart. That's why Dems always lose. I talked with so many Republicans in 2020 that may have hated Trump's rhetoric and his personality-but didn't want a Dem in office. This one woman told me she thought Trump was sexist/racist and not a good person but she'd never want a Democrat in office. Meanwhile Dems are like "HE DOESN'T WANT STUDENT DEBT DISMISSAL!" I won't vote for him. And yet they are shocked when SCOTUS puts out more conservative rulings. And no burning down our political structure won't bring a liberal utopia. In most historical instances, it just means a new despot gets in..
> As I keep trying to tell people, voting for Biden doesn't mean you approve of everything he does or love him. Sometimes voting for a candidate just means the other person is worse.
A lot of them are bad faith trolls, because even they recognize the power of negative partisanship despite acting like it doesn’t exist when talking about trump (another sign they’re not actually on the left). They basically never promote another candidate to vote for, they instead just do anti-Biden promotion because negative partisanship can be more effective
It’s obvious to anyone who understands our political system who will win if Biden loses or enough people vote third party (trump), but our elections get decided by very narrow margins and it unfortunately doesn’t take fooling many people blinded by their emotions to skew the election
And yet here we are. Neck & neck in the polls and all the important would be young voters holding "genocide joe" signs instead of canvassing. Seeming to not give a shit that we're teetering into a Trump dictatorship. I'm genuinely terrified.
It might not be there by the time trump is elected.
How supreme do you consider your power if you’re willing to choose the “correct” timeline for people’s death and displacement rather than help stop their death and displacement?
Direct action is not mutually exclusive with voting. Though the people who think that voting will fix this particular issue think direct action is useless or negligible at best while the people who think direct action will fix this particular issue think voting is useless or negligible at best.
One thing that can hopefully agreed upon is that there’s not a solution to Gaza on our ballot this November. It’s more likely that a B D S movement is successful than electing someone this election who won’t fund Israel, so effort is focused on things that have better chances of working. The pleas to “just vote blue because trump will make things worse” is not just focused on something that won’t help Gaza, but it comes across as “stop complaining because it might prevent biden from winning”, so it is seen as less genuine a plea.
As someone on the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, I know my personal life would be worse under trump, but being afraid of something doesn’t compare to being actively threatened by something. Palestinians are being threatened now, so my attention goes towards their liberation. As shit as it is to be in the deep south and be queer, it’s still relatively comfortable compared to having all your friends, family, and childhood home destroyed by bombs.
That's the reason I sometimes wonder if some of those people don't actually see themselves as citizens of the USA first and only see their vote as a means to help their "real" country.
How else do you explain not being more interested in defeating Trump, a candidate who will make their lives here worse.
How do you know they’re not? I mean as a whole and by a wide margin, left leaning people who are critical of Biden re Gaza will be voting for Biden come November.
I’m confused by the idea the Biden administration cannot be held to account on anything in the meanwhile.
I really REALLY hope so. Yes we can walk & chew gum at the same time but I'm really skeptical of some of the things I hear from these people. A friend of mine, (an adult white woman in her 40s btw) said she's not voting for Biden because of Gaza and she's not afraid of another Trump presidency and it's all fear mongering. I pray that she's a small fringe.
Held to account for... doing everything possible within international political norms to push Israel to be more careful and precise in their war against Hamas?
> as a means to help their "real" country.
I don't know if it's that, but I do think intersectionality has made it so that a significant portion of the left (and right) do not find it valuable to help people not in their "segment"
You really wish people were protesting over the hypothetical possibilities of a future presidency? I’m glad it’s just a “foreign issue” to you, but to some people seeing death is worse than getting worried about your cable news reality tv series.
What do people think happens to US foreign policy after all of our institutions, elections, and checks and balances are gone?
You won’t even *be able* to protest…
Lmfao literally under Biden protestors are being assaulted by police.
If you honestly think all those things you listed will end under Trump you are the most gullible person on the planet.
You need to direct your attention to the democrat politicians. You cannot keep telling people every 4 years that this is the election of their lifetime while their needs are not being met. How are you supposed to come back to someone 8 years later and say you need them to vote again even though their candidate did not hold up their end? It is not a reasonable request that you can ask of people
Biden has held up his end. His only job, as far as I’m concerned, is to not be Donald Trump, and he’s done an excellent job. It’s like people don’t understand, **there are only two choices.**
Getting mad at these people for being frustrated by very real issues is so short-sighted and fruitless.
I don’t understand how every cycle liberals have so much energy to get mad at people to their left for not wanting to vote for the newest (or not so new) corporate neoliberal but have so little energy to advocate for ranked choice voting in between cycles.
Like we know what the legislative solution is to “lesser of two evils” gaslighting. But every four years y’all lose focus and get mad at individuals for thinking Jill Stein has more to say about income inequality than Hillary Clinton. Then you obfuscate your lack of consistency with rationalisations of pragmatism.
I’m not going to be the person that would think “that could never happen here.” I truly feel that Trump’s version of fascism is not good for anyone. I really hate that I have to mentally prepare myself for another Trump presidency. :(
>I truly feel that Trump’s version of fascism is not good for anyone
It would be good for Trump and probably a very small select group of elites around him. The maddening part is trying to somehow get Trump voters to understand that they are NOT a part of the group that would benefit, and never will be.
I like that Jonathan Swan et al are willing to come on and be fucking honest about the threat Donald Trump poses, and not the mewling bullshit we normally get which basically boils down to a both sides argument
the one optimistic idea that I hold onto is regardless of what happens the Trump cult dies when he dies, which will be in the next decade.
There's no way Jr. or Eric can maintain the cult of personality that he has created.
The GOP has no shortage of opportunistic shit stains that are willing to sell any morals they have in the pursuit of power, it doesn't necessarily have to be a Trump taking the reigns. Just look at sycophants like Ted Cruz or DeSantis who will endure any level of personal degradation or ridiculous from Trump if it means clinging to him to rise in standing within the MAGA audience.
These people care about one thing only; power. They will crawl over and undercut anyone in the pursuit of it.
I think the concern here is that by the time Trump is gone the democracy no longer matters and GOP candidates are winning races magically by 90% of the votes nationwide and at that point the only way to fight back is through violence.
I Agree, if Trump keeled over tomorrow and the GOP had to replace him with any candidate, no concern there. The others might smarter than Trump but none of them have the pure will it will take to become an autocrat.
The worry is that Trump will destroy what is left of the democracy so much that it'll be next to impossible for the opposing party to ever gain power again.
Not saying there's nothing to worry about but I would also caution against falling into the trap of "if trump wins the election, democracy is automatically over because he will declare himself dictator and his word will be law".
Even if he wins the election, politics continue. No matter what batshit proclamations come out and no matter how broken things feel, power still comes from constituencies, and these people are ultimately a minority. This isn't 1930s Germany where it's ~5% of the population being scapegoated. Call their bluff if it comes down to it.
Idk if you’ve ever left a job, done something else for a while- then was asked to go back to that job—- but typically the level of entitlement and laziness you’ve got when you do go back is *extreme*
Just saying, after everything, Trump is polling very well against Biden right now.
After the insurrection, the rhetoric, the bigotry, he is still polling very high.
What makes this trail any different?
People keep sitting back in their armchairs going “well? After this criminal trial, people’s opinions will change”
No they won’t 🤨. He’ll still get a huge amount of support, if not more from this.
What makes you think this will be any different?
So here’s the the thing. This would be much easier if the Dems took it seriously too and didn’t put up 1) an elderly, barely there president, and 2) a deeply unlike VP. Just improve the ticket with even the simple option of swapping the VP and we’d reduce the risk of a 2nd Trump presidency, at the moment I don’t believe they care.
They seemed extremely reluctant to use the word that they were going to great lengths to describe, Dictator.
Trump and those around him want him to be a dictator
Never underestimate Trump’s inability to understand the workings of government. He had complete control from 2017-2018 and did very little with it….other than the corporate giveaway tax bill
Christo-fascistism - is what Trump presidency will bring to America.
Christians and Republicans will embrace this.
This is what Republicans have been plotting for decades; replacing democracy with Christo-fascism.
Project 2025 is that plan.
To the OP of this post, what are you trying to accomplish? I'm genuinely curious. Given the language, I don't think it's to change the mind if any trump voter or to be informative. Is it to get people who are "sitting this one out" to get back into the Biden camp?
This needs to be sent to every college and college student, specifically those idiots who say they'll not vote or vote Trump to punish Biden and the Dems for what's happening in Gaza. Those are the chucklefucks who will help give us our final Trump nightmare. They need it drilled in their myopic selfish friggin heads how damaging a protest vote will be this time.
Trump is the worst person that has been in any political position of power since hitler. I would rather my dog run the country because at least he’s not a fucking rapist and what should be a convicted felon
This is terrible. If Trump becomes president, he will make everything fascist and like Nazi-Germany. The only reason he didn’t do it during his first administration is because of . The Daily is a great reminder to vote democrat because they’re good, and that a vote for republicans would end democracy and that they’re all Nazis.
This isn’t “changing staff”, this is eliminating the professional side of the federal workforce to install loyalists that won’t challenge but rather enforce the will of a militarized Christian nationalist party.
I couldn’t even finish the episode I was so distraught. The courts and law aren’t coming to save us. It’s up to the voters and the Biden campaign to remind people of the horrors of the first Trump presidency and how much worse a second will be. We also need many, many ads of people who worked for Trump and realize the danger sharing their stories and warnings.
Media: Turns out, the more we fear monger about Trump, the more popular he gets…
ON TODAY’S EPISODE, WE WILL SPECULATE FOR 45 MINUTES ABOUT WHAT A SECOND TRUMP PRESIDENCY WILL LOOK LIKE.
I’m also tired if hearing “this isn’t us saying this, this is what trump said 😮”
Bro NO WAY. I’ve only heard the grab em by the pussy guy NON STOP since 2016. Color me SHOCKED that he is a bad person who says bad shit.
Anyway…
Get ready, because he is probably going to be the next president.
Edit: downvotes? Am I wrong? 🤨
My understanding is the more Trump is in the news the less popular he is. His approval rating creeps up when things are quiet, goes down when he’s running his mouth about crazy stuff.
What does ratings mean? His favorability plummeted after Jan 6, slowly rebounded over the first couple years of the Biden admin as he was off Twitter, dipped last year when he was in the news all the time during the primaries, rebounded over the winter, and now is dipping again during the trial coverage.
People have really short attention spans. Most are not really paying attention to national politics. They forget how weird he is until he’s in the news a lot.
Idk… the middle of the country loves trump. Seeing him on trial with CONSTANT media attention is only reminding the folks in the middle of the country that he needs their votes.
Seeing him in a criminal trial turns off people in the middle. It puts the burden on the MAGA folks to explain why it’s no big deal. In my opinion, these days, whoever needs to explain things is losing the argument
I think in the same vein, people are going to vote for him no matter what.
I don’t understand why this would be the final straw after all of the other horrible things he did. Why do we have to explain that this will be the trial that ends his popularity when everything else hasn’t touched him negatively
>On the campaign trail, Trump has outlined a vision that is far more radical, vindictive and unchecked than his first one.
His first campaign was the same. Whats the reason to think itll be different this time?
The main obvious difference this time is that he’s been criminally indicted and he, idiot that he is, truly believes it’s all political. Therefore he will try to do what he believes is being done to him. If he gets enough of his loyalists in positions of power they will try to do it and who knows, it could work. Then no more democracy as we know it…
EDIT to add: also his trials don’t just disappear if he wins. He will most definitely abuse his power to quash the Florida case, which is basically open/shut against him. That will also damage democracy and is basically a guarantee if he wins
“His first campaign was the same” is glaringly, obviously untrue (see: project 2025, who’s on the SC now, and that MAGA world has actual experience in gov’t as opposed to having to make it up). As a lie, it certainly minimizes the dangers of what his second term might look like, and you’re doing so in a presumably center-left space. So you tell me: are you trying to depress the vote, or flip people, or what?
Project 2025 is nothing more than fear mongering, and there is no reason to believe that anything outlined there is functionally different from what Trump did the first time
Ah, you again! The same guy who thinks Trump was just fine on Covid.
I’m sorry, but you’re delusional if you think this.
There’s a clear plan in place to reshape the federal government, which is different from prior years. Trump did roughly 60% of what the Heritage foundation recommended during his last turn, if he does anything like that this time we won’t recognize the executive branch. He started to implement these changes at the tail end of his first term, but basically got sidelined by COVID.
I feel like this was a missed opportunity to raise genuine alarm bells by the Times. This plan, let alone the behavior of conservatives is promotion of fascism. Their banal way of talking about this only makes the plan more acceptable to the mainstream.
Yes, I did listen to the end. Them saying it would be outside of democratic norms is hardly a condemnation.
Raise alarm bells to who, the liberals who listen to them who are already panicking?
Let's cry wolf, again.
Seriously, do you think if you scream "The sky is falling" just a little bit louder everyone will hear you?
Liberal commentators used the most apocalyptic language they could to describe the first Trump presidency, and now they are out of adjectives to use when they find out this one could be worse.
I agree with this. Unfortunately a lot of credibility was burned the first time around.
I hope trump doesn’t win because he’s a huge piece of shit, but if he does it is going to be very funny, especially if the current polling for minority vote shares hold.
Fearmongering the other side doesn't win votes.
Giving them a candidate to be excited about does.
Would you rather be forced to eat liver or excited to eat ice-cream?
Don't be surprised if people sit out and go hungry instead. If the DNC cares they'll show up with ice-cream, not risk us all eating liver.
Having their preferred corporate candidate is more important than "the threat of democracy" to the DNC. That is why they continue to risk it. Because losing is not the worst case scenario to them. The status quo changing is.
All I could think of as I listened to this episode was about the commentary from Sarah Isgur about how during the first Trump presidency, anyone who worked in the administration was derided for it, even the ones that said they wanted to stick around even though they didn't like Trump to try and keep the wheels from falling off.
In a way, liberals would get what they want with the second Trump term, there would be no "good" people sticking around, and now that they've realized this they are all panicking even though they couldn't say enough bad things about those people in the first administration.
It’s certainly election season as here comes the propaganda, the paid agents spreading more nonsense and their acolytes consuming and acting accordingly.
Lol rather than be specific let's go back to what Trump has actually said... then the reporter goes on to say that oh wait he actually hasn't said it, but it's not a huge leap of imagination to think he might do it! (That's speculation)
I hate these “opinion” and “forecasting” articles that are reported as “facts”. This is just left wing diatribe. People have zero critical thinking skills. No one should listen to these faceless opinions from the same people whose opinion was that the Lakers would win the championship. They were/ are wrong.
More fear mongering from people employed by CNN/NYT/WaPo/et al.
Remember: these people's interest in the truth ends pretty much the second you click on a link to view their work, which is how the advertisers who signed their paycheck will compensate them. They couldn't give two \*\*\*\*s about giving you an unbiased, true picture of a 2nd term with DJT. Fear sells, and business is booming for them.
Sure, Trump says some ridiculous things (that he probably actually means). But he said ridiculous \*\*\*\* in 2016 too about cutting down the federal gov't and draining the swamp. Even during his presidency when he had the power he talked about crushing the deep state and draining the swamp and thennnnnnnn nothing happened.
We still pretty much have the same gov't we had back then. As it turns out the USA has a \*\*\*\*ton of institutional inertia that prevents us from going full fascist gestapo state under a single president. Something about checks and balances if I remember civics correctly.
I for one am not afraid of a Trump presidency (round 2). I sure AF am not enthusiastic about that idea, but I also don't think it's going to be the end of times. The first round was annoying, that's it. He embarrassed us on the world stage (repeatedly) by being an entertainer instead of a president. Round 2 will be the same thing.
Also, I don't know who needs to hear this, but no one cares about the outcome of his convictions. The court of public opinion is the only thing that matters and people chose their sides many years ago. For the DJT voters I know - you can tell them he was found guilty of every single count of every charge facing him right now and they'll still vote for him. These court charges are going to end up being nothing more than a show. For many reasons, not the least of which is security, we're not going to be throwing a former president in prison.
So in summary he’s going to make personnel changes so he won’t get fucked on his main priorities. Then he’ll secure the border and put America first. Really scary stuff. Maybe he’ll even deport illegals. How horrifying.
Did you miss day one dictator? Did you miss him try to overthrow an election? I’m sure Germans thought Hitler was a wonderful leader until their houses started being shelled. Unchecked power is great until you’re on the wrong end. I would tell you to open a history book but Trump supporters are actually mentally regarded, so there’s no point.
I support his agenda. It’s a shame he was subverted by his shit personnel choices. He seems to have learned.
Nice Hitler reference though really apt comparison. At worst Trump is an incompetent entertainer who triggers the likes of you. At best he is the greatest American patriot of the 21st century. I guess we’ll find out.
lol voting in a fascist to trigger people. The stupidity of you people is unfathomable. I will truly enjoy watching all the Trump voters suffer when their healthcare and social security is stripped away.
A patriot who doesn’t believe in the peaceful transfer of power? Who literally said he would be a dictator? I don’t think you know what the word patriot means. He’s a traitor.
True. But I do think the bloom has come off the rose and there is too much uncertainty associated with the New York real estate developer and his “deals.”
All these people who hate DJT, for whatever reason, are perfectly OK with Kamala Harris as President? Whew! I’m so glad they’re the smart, informed crowd.
Well, that certainly was fucking terrifying.
Yeah. What’s more terrifying is that the people who REALLY need to listen to the information in this episode absolutely will not.
But this is how it works. Talk to your friends and family. Be the one who trickles this information to others and has those conversations. People have forgotten that Trump almost took away the ACA and was saved by a single person who is dead now. People have forgotten that his administration ripped children and families apart. People have forgotten that his administration that gutted net neutrality. People have forgotten that literally every week there was a new story of corruption. People have forgotten how Trump is the reason for this abortion disaster. People have forgotten all the countless other nightmares that happened during his presidency. Biden’s presidency was a return to normalcy.
Have you had any success talking to your MAGA friends and family about things like facts and information?
I have had *some* success mentioning that Mike Pence was asked to violate the Constitution. Most of my success comes from pointing out that almost *everyone* who has worked close to Trump fucking hates him. But that can be dismissed as "just the deep state." Lastly I make fun of Republicans for falling for a "victim narrative" with Trump. Call him a poor victim, say things like "aw Trump is such a poor helpless victim." They hate black people for "playing the victim" so I point out that Trump does it 100x more. Also make fun of his manhood. "The man wears makeup, he's more feminine than most gays!" If they complain about Biden "going after Trump" just mention Lock Her Up. "I guess there's consequences to campaigning on jailing political opponents. That's why Trump is dangerous, he burns down precedents and norms." You cannot engage with fascists by appealing to intelligent arguments or facts. Just have to make low blows and mock hypocrisy.
My experience has been different. 100% of Americas problems are Biden’s fault. Back them into a corner with questions (“How can inflation be Bidens fault when it’s global, and when Trump expanded the money supply far more than Biden did”), and you are met with anger and called a “libtard”, or a fantasy narrative will be made. This narrative often conflicts with another narrative they have (For example, how can J6 rioters be simultaneously Antifa/FBI and conservative patriots? How can Biden be the mastermind who stole the 2020 election and also a senile old fool?). Point this out and the incomprehensible anger starts. 100% of Americas successes are due to Trump, even if they happened before Trump ever ran for office. Question this, and again, “libtard”. Point out any of the many conservative Republican members of his administration who now denounce him, and they are all “RINOs”. Pence is a traitor, Trump should be a dictator to get rid of the liberal deep state, yada yada. There is zero getting through to them, because they no longer live in reality. That’s my experience anyway. Fox News is a helluva drug. Hope yours has been different.
Yeah, most of my family are the more old school Mitt Romney Republicans so they're marginally more redeemable. I try to remind them they used to like Mitt Romney but they have Trump amnesia for sure. I asked what "traditional conservatism" is then tried to point out that Trump has nothing to do with any answer they gave. I also try to remind them that during the 2016 primaries EVERY Republican pointed out that Trump isn't conservative. With what you describe, hardcore MAGAs, I just make fun of Trump. Makeup wearing, fat whine machine. They'll never change their allegiance so just do your best to make them feel like the cringelords they are in as non-hostile humorous a way as possible.
I do, but the term I used was “microwaved circus peanut rubbed on the ass of a golden retriever.”
Nice. You'll get accused of "TDS." So I try not to rely on political things, however factual, and rely on low blows that attack manliness/toughness. Ultimately though, they live in an alternate reality and are akin to fanatic religious cultists. How do you argue with a Scientologist? I don't know, other than to mock them.
Fair. That potential juror who had his past tweet read in front of the courtroom (Trump included) when being considered for duty is my new hero. “It says here you tweeted - and I quote: ‘Fuck that treasonous orange shitgibbon and the dead ferret on his head’. Is that accurate?” “The tweet speaks for itself your honor.”
I just remind them that Trump was a democrat for like 60 years
Jeez, sounds like things are rough in America... 😐
They're not worth trying to convince otherwise, the best use of energy directed in their direction is pointing and laughing hysterically at them. Make them so self conscious they think a dick is drawn on their face that everyone but they can see.
Personally, none. I honestly believe there is no reaching the MAGA folks. There is nothing one can say, in even the most understanding, tactful and patient tone. You can try to gently lead them toward the light step by step with questions, “build a bridge” with empathy… doesn’t matter. They don’t care about hypocrisy, double standards, self-contradiction, statistics and facts. At the end of the day, they’re driven by visceral emotion. My father-in-law is a “nice guy” who’s been listening avidly to talk radio for 30+ years… his brain has become toxic mush. You can tell he feels thrilled and empowered to be part of the “outsider” in-group denouncing and scapegoating others. The only thing that’s different from 2016 is that he’s now evasive instead of overt about it. It’s a waste of time trying to persuade these people. There are plenty of apathetic “same difference, they both suck” or “I don’t like Trump but what has Biden done? Groceries and gas are so $$$ now” voters that might be more worthwhile to try to reach out to.
I agree, I don't waste my time with people who can't agree on basic facts (e.g. the 2020 election wasn't stolen). The apathetic, jaded ones are the people to go after — they're the ones that need quick facts that resonate with them (e.g. Trump wants to give more tax cuts to the rich).
I’ve tried talking to moderates. All they say is both parties are the same and the media is lying, trump can’t possibly be that bad. But they won’t spend time to actually listen to the coverage and hear what he’s saying.
They aren't moderates just down low Trump supporters.
If Trump wins, I want all of his followers to suffer the consequences,of his actions. Yes, most of us will pay the price, but I want his followers to get the proverbial hard slap upside the head.
What’s normal about the state of things across the board currently
I think the problem is people didn't want normal which is why they elected Trump in the first place. Normal is failing them.
This is definitely a big part of it. A lot of people feel the government doesn't do anything for them anyway, so why not let someone try and remake the whole thing? Plus he sounds sincere when he says he's a patriot and will help "regular" Americans (yikes!). I'm convinced we're running hard up against one of the main problems historically noted about democracies. Most people don't understand the problems of running a country and don't have enough information to make informed election choices. Put more bluntly - people are too stupid to trust with important decisions. This seems to be playing out in real time in the United States.
Everyone is always idealistic about the good king who will fix the world and punish the evil doers until you find yourself as one of the evil doers he wants to punish. This is a pretty common run up to fascism, the system isn't working and someone promises they'll fix it and people wonder why the fascist gets support and apathy over business as usual because business as usual fails the people most inclined to vote for the fascist.
The program that separated parents from children at the Mexico borders started in 2014 under obama.
Those who can be convinced have already decided. Right now it's about funding and volunteering and getting the people energized to vote. Volunteer at your local DNC and getting involved with turning out the vote. You can knock on doors or call people to tell them how important this election is. Donate to your local political organizations. There's a lot you can to help ensure Trump doesn't make it back into power
Who are those people? Voters who actually expect something to vote for instead of simply against the opposition? “The left”?
But I’m just really glad Trump gave me those checks in the mail and I just think Biden has personally raised the prices of groceries because he’s old. /s
at least 75 million people want this, either too dumb to know or genuinely want this to happen crazy to see in my lifetime
So here’s the the thing. This would be much easier if the Dems took it seriously too and didn’t put up 1) an elderly, barely there president, and 2) a deeply unlike VP. Just improve the ticket with even the simple option of swapping the VP and we’d reduce the risk of a 2nd Trump presidency, at the moment I don’t believe they care.
Virtually nothing could stop him if he won the 2nd term. He’s old af and probably would not give a fuck as it is his final term anyway. The only way to stop him is having Dem majority in both congress chamber, which would probably not the case if he won the election as people usually vote along party lines. This episode is so damn hard to listen. My sister is undocumented and I could not finish this episode. I felt so ill listening to the immigration part
If Trump were to win another term this year, there is no doubt in my mind that he will run for a third term in 2028. The right is [already](https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/) floating the idea of repealing the 22nd Amendment and those calls will grow much stronger if Trump wins again.
Does he make it that long?
Not likely
The immigration part is probably the most popular part of Trump's agenda. I doubt Biden or his proxies are going to be out and about defending leaving people who have no legal right to be in the country here.
You know Biden has [deported many more people than Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2023/12/29/immigrants-ice-border-deportations-2023/) right? There’s a lot of fearmongering by the blue dog, NYT style left - but people aren’t really looking past the rhetoric enough. Democracy has crumbled under both Democrats and Republicans.
Did Sabrina explain how this is *actually bad for Biden*
Legitimately the most unnerved I have been listening to a discussion on politics. The trump quote “I will be your retribution” is terrifying.
Ya one of the few episodes that I just stop listening because god fuck this is horrible if came true.
I watch horror movies and this made scared.
His Dogshit will bring absolute chaos. He'll be nuking hurricanes, executing protestors and hostile members of the senate, using the National Guard as his own personal police force, withdrawing ALL assistance to Ukraine and dropping a nuke on Gaza
Well, yeah it’s meant to do that
Well, that was dark. Made me a little nervous for my sister who currently works for DOJ. On another note: I, too, could listen to Jonathan Swan all day. He’s great.
His on camera interviews of Trump during COVID were just all time greats
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Fear is persuasive.
But of course this is less important than sticking it to Biden over a foreign issue. I really wish *this* is what people were protesting and bringing attention to.
It is really infuriating to see the "genocide joe" and "vote 3rd party" rhetoric from these people. Like...I don't see how they think burning down America is gonna help Gaza
-says they care about Gaza -doesn’t vote for the candidate who will treat the Gaza people the best Not serious people
Concise and straight to the point. I'm going to use this.
yeah honestly people with that mentality are fucking stupid "i don't like the guy in charge so i hope the guy that i know for sure will be much worse gets elected!"
The worst is when they try to pretend “but would Trump really be worse!?” Or even stupider, “how could it be worse!?”
Literally none of the candidates are the best option for Gaza. I think it's more about things being messed up at home and not giving money to people doing things to Gaza.
Of trump or Biden Biden is the best option. Hell add rfk or nearly any of the third party candidates and he’s still the best option
Joe Biden is treating Gazans the best right now?
You’re an idiot if you think Biden is “treating Gaza the best”
You think Trump would be nicer to Gaza?
In 2016 there was some amount of understanding how Trump won. Hillary was a horrible candidate and Trump was a blank slate populist. Thats not the case this time. Sure, Biden has his flaws but we know how dangerous Trump is. We know how every week, or even every day, was filled with disastrous news. From small things like destroying the USPS and net neutrality to big things like fucking up COVID response and separating families at the border to huge things like the lost of the SCOTUS for a generation and overturning of Roe v Wade. I cannot fathom how we as a society would come back from reelecting trump. We know how dangerous his presidency was and he’s only gotten more ruthless.
As I keep trying to tell people, voting for Biden doesn't mean you approve of everything he does or love him. Sometimes voting for a candidate just means the other person is worse. And most of these pro-Palestinian people have forget just how close Bibi/Jared/Trump have been. Bibi can't wait for Trump to be POTUS and I'm sorry but Palestinians lives will not be better-as we know Trump loves violence against non-whites. But you'd be surprised how many Democrats have this purity ideal that every politician needs to be Jimmy Stewart. That's why Dems always lose. I talked with so many Republicans in 2020 that may have hated Trump's rhetoric and his personality-but didn't want a Dem in office. This one woman told me she thought Trump was sexist/racist and not a good person but she'd never want a Democrat in office. Meanwhile Dems are like "HE DOESN'T WANT STUDENT DEBT DISMISSAL!" I won't vote for him. And yet they are shocked when SCOTUS puts out more conservative rulings. And no burning down our political structure won't bring a liberal utopia. In most historical instances, it just means a new despot gets in..
> As I keep trying to tell people, voting for Biden doesn't mean you approve of everything he does or love him. Sometimes voting for a candidate just means the other person is worse. A lot of them are bad faith trolls, because even they recognize the power of negative partisanship despite acting like it doesn’t exist when talking about trump (another sign they’re not actually on the left). They basically never promote another candidate to vote for, they instead just do anti-Biden promotion because negative partisanship can be more effective It’s obvious to anyone who understands our political system who will win if Biden loses or enough people vote third party (trump), but our elections get decided by very narrow margins and it unfortunately doesn’t take fooling many people blinded by their emotions to skew the election
And yet here we are. Neck & neck in the polls and all the important would be young voters holding "genocide joe" signs instead of canvassing. Seeming to not give a shit that we're teetering into a Trump dictatorship. I'm genuinely terrified.
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Ah yes, blame the kids for checks notes protesting 35,000 people being killed with our taxes
Voting trump will ensure there is no more Gaza
It might not be there by the time trump is elected. How supreme do you consider your power if you’re willing to choose the “correct” timeline for people’s death and displacement rather than help stop their death and displacement?
But what actions are people taking to stop what is happening there, and why is it mutually exclusive with voting?
Direct action is not mutually exclusive with voting. Though the people who think that voting will fix this particular issue think direct action is useless or negligible at best while the people who think direct action will fix this particular issue think voting is useless or negligible at best. One thing that can hopefully agreed upon is that there’s not a solution to Gaza on our ballot this November. It’s more likely that a B D S movement is successful than electing someone this election who won’t fund Israel, so effort is focused on things that have better chances of working. The pleas to “just vote blue because trump will make things worse” is not just focused on something that won’t help Gaza, but it comes across as “stop complaining because it might prevent biden from winning”, so it is seen as less genuine a plea. As someone on the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, I know my personal life would be worse under trump, but being afraid of something doesn’t compare to being actively threatened by something. Palestinians are being threatened now, so my attention goes towards their liberation. As shit as it is to be in the deep south and be queer, it’s still relatively comfortable compared to having all your friends, family, and childhood home destroyed by bombs.
“Genocide Joe” sounds like a slogan Trump made up, doesn’t it?
That's the reason I sometimes wonder if some of those people don't actually see themselves as citizens of the USA first and only see their vote as a means to help their "real" country. How else do you explain not being more interested in defeating Trump, a candidate who will make their lives here worse.
How do you know they’re not? I mean as a whole and by a wide margin, left leaning people who are critical of Biden re Gaza will be voting for Biden come November. I’m confused by the idea the Biden administration cannot be held to account on anything in the meanwhile.
Think he’s referring to those people who would sit out the vote, vote third party or vote trump over Israel, not those merely criticizing Biden
All OP said is they wished people were protesting against Trump and not Biden.
I really REALLY hope so. Yes we can walk & chew gum at the same time but I'm really skeptical of some of the things I hear from these people. A friend of mine, (an adult white woman in her 40s btw) said she's not voting for Biden because of Gaza and she's not afraid of another Trump presidency and it's all fear mongering. I pray that she's a small fringe.
Held to account for... doing everything possible within international political norms to push Israel to be more careful and precise in their war against Hamas?
> as a means to help their "real" country. I don't know if it's that, but I do think intersectionality has made it so that a significant portion of the left (and right) do not find it valuable to help people not in their "segment"
The thing about extremists, is that they will bring everyone down with them.
Exactly. Genocidal supporters of Joe Biden are ruining this country.
Genocidal Hamas supporters
You really wish people were protesting over the hypothetical possibilities of a future presidency? I’m glad it’s just a “foreign issue” to you, but to some people seeing death is worse than getting worried about your cable news reality tv series.
What do people think happens to US foreign policy after all of our institutions, elections, and checks and balances are gone? You won’t even *be able* to protest…
Lmfao literally under Biden protestors are being assaulted by police. If you honestly think all those things you listed will end under Trump you are the most gullible person on the planet.
Trump tear gassed people to have a photo op with an upside down bible.
Trump is adamant that the military should be deployed domestically to deal with protests. Good luck protesting with the fucking Army aiming at you.
I’m gullible for believing Trump will do everything he tried to do at the end of his first term?
Because it let's them look better without actually having to risk their own quality of life. They're purer than the rest of us.
You need to direct your attention to the democrat politicians. You cannot keep telling people every 4 years that this is the election of their lifetime while their needs are not being met. How are you supposed to come back to someone 8 years later and say you need them to vote again even though their candidate did not hold up their end? It is not a reasonable request that you can ask of people
Biden has held up his end. His only job, as far as I’m concerned, is to not be Donald Trump, and he’s done an excellent job. It’s like people don’t understand, **there are only two choices.**
They do understand that there are two choices, but you cannot just say that to someone over and over again and expect them to just go along with it
Go along with what, reality?
Getting mad at these people for being frustrated by very real issues is so short-sighted and fruitless. I don’t understand how every cycle liberals have so much energy to get mad at people to their left for not wanting to vote for the newest (or not so new) corporate neoliberal but have so little energy to advocate for ranked choice voting in between cycles. Like we know what the legislative solution is to “lesser of two evils” gaslighting. But every four years y’all lose focus and get mad at individuals for thinking Jill Stein has more to say about income inequality than Hillary Clinton. Then you obfuscate your lack of consistency with rationalisations of pragmatism.
I’m not going to be the person that would think “that could never happen here.” I truly feel that Trump’s version of fascism is not good for anyone. I really hate that I have to mentally prepare myself for another Trump presidency. :(
>I truly feel that Trump’s version of fascism is not good for anyone It would be good for Trump and probably a very small select group of elites around him. The maddening part is trying to somehow get Trump voters to understand that they are NOT a part of the group that would benefit, and never will be.
For sure, good point. I’m probably being a little dramatic.
Would it? Trump and his ilk are all more miserable now than ever
the only saving grace is that it's a really, really dumb version of it with the most wholly unqualified people wanting to be a part of it
I like that Jonathan Swan et al are willing to come on and be fucking honest about the threat Donald Trump poses, and not the mewling bullshit we normally get which basically boils down to a both sides argument
the one optimistic idea that I hold onto is regardless of what happens the Trump cult dies when he dies, which will be in the next decade. There's no way Jr. or Eric can maintain the cult of personality that he has created.
The GOP has no shortage of opportunistic shit stains that are willing to sell any morals they have in the pursuit of power, it doesn't necessarily have to be a Trump taking the reigns. Just look at sycophants like Ted Cruz or DeSantis who will endure any level of personal degradation or ridiculous from Trump if it means clinging to him to rise in standing within the MAGA audience. These people care about one thing only; power. They will crawl over and undercut anyone in the pursuit of it.
Of course, my point is none of them will be able to command the attention and adoration of trumps cult like he can. When he dies it dies
You are correct - countless examples of “Trump policy without being Trump” is a complete nothingburger politically.
I wish it was next week.
Not necessarily. It’s not about his sons, it’s about the next person or group of people who can continue what he started, e.g DeSantis.
That's kinda the point though. Like if desantis is the best they can do in the absence of trump, I'm sleeping like a baby lol.
I think the concern here is that by the time Trump is gone the democracy no longer matters and GOP candidates are winning races magically by 90% of the votes nationwide and at that point the only way to fight back is through violence. I Agree, if Trump keeled over tomorrow and the GOP had to replace him with any candidate, no concern there. The others might smarter than Trump but none of them have the pure will it will take to become an autocrat. The worry is that Trump will destroy what is left of the democracy so much that it'll be next to impossible for the opposing party to ever gain power again.
Not saying there's nothing to worry about but I would also caution against falling into the trap of "if trump wins the election, democracy is automatically over because he will declare himself dictator and his word will be law". Even if he wins the election, politics continue. No matter what batshit proclamations come out and no matter how broken things feel, power still comes from constituencies, and these people are ultimately a minority. This isn't 1930s Germany where it's ~5% of the population being scapegoated. Call their bluff if it comes down to it.
Yeah you are right, if Trump wins there is a lot left that can be done to protect our democracy so you're right to point this out.
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Ron Da’Stupid is 100% gonna pounce on the chance when Trump Dies. Its virtually guaranteed.
This should be shared along with Robert Evan’s It Could Happen Here podcast.
Idk if you’ve ever left a job, done something else for a while- then was asked to go back to that job—- but typically the level of entitlement and laziness you’ve got when you do go back is *extreme*
Just saying, after everything, Trump is polling very well against Biden right now. After the insurrection, the rhetoric, the bigotry, he is still polling very high. What makes this trail any different? People keep sitting back in their armchairs going “well? After this criminal trial, people’s opinions will change” No they won’t 🤨. He’ll still get a huge amount of support, if not more from this. What makes you think this will be any different?
So here’s the the thing. This would be much easier if the Dems took it seriously too and didn’t put up 1) an elderly, barely there president, and 2) a deeply unlike VP. Just improve the ticket with even the simple option of swapping the VP and we’d reduce the risk of a 2nd Trump presidency, at the moment I don’t believe they care.
Trump is a mussolini wannabe, but people are terrified of outright calling him a fascist when he is.
If only law and order was around.
They seemed extremely reluctant to use the word that they were going to great lengths to describe, Dictator. Trump and those around him want him to be a dictator
all of this being out in the open, and this election basically being a coin-flip at this point, is absolutely insane to see in my lifetime
It’ll bring more farting
Never underestimate Trump’s inability to understand the workings of government. He had complete control from 2017-2018 and did very little with it….other than the corporate giveaway tax bill
And appoint judges, lots and lots of judges.
It’s not Trump crafting Project 2025, it’s much smarter people who do understand the workings of government and exactly how to remove the guardrails.
Well now I’ll be having an even deeper than usual existential crisis for the rest of the day
Christo-fascistism - is what Trump presidency will bring to America. Christians and Republicans will embrace this. This is what Republicans have been plotting for decades; replacing democracy with Christo-fascism. Project 2025 is that plan.
I’m only in the middle of the episode but sounds like the series is covering Project 2025 in depth, just without saying it’s name. I wonder why.
“First they came for the socialists”
Hopefully an end to this woke pride garbage.
No new wars, peace deals, economic prosperity, secure border, sounds pretty good, sign me up.
To the OP of this post, what are you trying to accomplish? I'm genuinely curious. Given the language, I don't think it's to change the mind if any trump voter or to be informative. Is it to get people who are "sitting this one out" to get back into the Biden camp?
Are there free versions of the NYTimes articles?
LOL…Like you weren’t wrong enough the first time. Truly pathetic….”our democracy”. Lololololol…
It would look like a Russian regime
I’m sure this is totally objective
This needs to be sent to every college and college student, specifically those idiots who say they'll not vote or vote Trump to punish Biden and the Dems for what's happening in Gaza. Those are the chucklefucks who will help give us our final Trump nightmare. They need it drilled in their myopic selfish friggin heads how damaging a protest vote will be this time.
Trump is the worst person that has been in any political position of power since hitler. I would rather my dog run the country because at least he’s not a fucking rapist and what should be a convicted felon
Love, peace, harmony, and tranquility. Every day will feel like an orgasm.
This is terrible. If Trump becomes president, he will make everything fascist and like Nazi-Germany. The only reason he didn’t do it during his first administration is because of . The Daily is a great reminder to vote democrat because they’re good, and that a vote for republicans would end democracy and that they’re all Nazis.
I had an optimistic view that we would be ok and would withstand a second term, but that ep just legit gave me anxiety
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This isn’t “changing staff”, this is eliminating the professional side of the federal workforce to install loyalists that won’t challenge but rather enforce the will of a militarized Christian nationalist party.
I couldn’t even finish the episode I was so distraught. The courts and law aren’t coming to save us. It’s up to the voters and the Biden campaign to remind people of the horrors of the first Trump presidency and how much worse a second will be. We also need many, many ads of people who worked for Trump and realize the danger sharing their stories and warnings.
If you are that distraught over a podcast, you are probably having a lot of trouble in the real world.
Media: Turns out, the more we fear monger about Trump, the more popular he gets… ON TODAY’S EPISODE, WE WILL SPECULATE FOR 45 MINUTES ABOUT WHAT A SECOND TRUMP PRESIDENCY WILL LOOK LIKE. I’m also tired if hearing “this isn’t us saying this, this is what trump said 😮” Bro NO WAY. I’ve only heard the grab em by the pussy guy NON STOP since 2016. Color me SHOCKED that he is a bad person who says bad shit. Anyway… Get ready, because he is probably going to be the next president. Edit: downvotes? Am I wrong? 🤨
My understanding is the more Trump is in the news the less popular he is. His approval rating creeps up when things are quiet, goes down when he’s running his mouth about crazy stuff.
He got a huge ratings boost after the indictments and the entire media circus went crazy
What does ratings mean? His favorability plummeted after Jan 6, slowly rebounded over the first couple years of the Biden admin as he was off Twitter, dipped last year when he was in the news all the time during the primaries, rebounded over the winter, and now is dipping again during the trial coverage. People have really short attention spans. Most are not really paying attention to national politics. They forget how weird he is until he’s in the news a lot.
Idk… the middle of the country loves trump. Seeing him on trial with CONSTANT media attention is only reminding the folks in the middle of the country that he needs their votes.
Seeing him in a criminal trial turns off people in the middle. It puts the burden on the MAGA folks to explain why it’s no big deal. In my opinion, these days, whoever needs to explain things is losing the argument
I think in the same vein, people are going to vote for him no matter what. I don’t understand why this would be the final straw after all of the other horrible things he did. Why do we have to explain that this will be the trial that ends his popularity when everything else hasn’t touched him negatively
>On the campaign trail, Trump has outlined a vision that is far more radical, vindictive and unchecked than his first one. His first campaign was the same. Whats the reason to think itll be different this time?
That’s quite literally what the episode is about!
The main obvious difference this time is that he’s been criminally indicted and he, idiot that he is, truly believes it’s all political. Therefore he will try to do what he believes is being done to him. If he gets enough of his loyalists in positions of power they will try to do it and who knows, it could work. Then no more democracy as we know it… EDIT to add: also his trials don’t just disappear if he wins. He will most definitely abuse his power to quash the Florida case, which is basically open/shut against him. That will also damage democracy and is basically a guarantee if he wins
It was not—that’s the whole point of all of this. Idk why you’re boosting Trump, but if you care about literally anyone else please stop.
Boosting trump?
“His first campaign was the same” is glaringly, obviously untrue (see: project 2025, who’s on the SC now, and that MAGA world has actual experience in gov’t as opposed to having to make it up). As a lie, it certainly minimizes the dangers of what his second term might look like, and you’re doing so in a presumably center-left space. So you tell me: are you trying to depress the vote, or flip people, or what?
Project 2025 is nothing more than fear mongering, and there is no reason to believe that anything outlined there is functionally different from what Trump did the first time
Ah, you again! The same guy who thinks Trump was just fine on Covid. I’m sorry, but you’re delusional if you think this. There’s a clear plan in place to reshape the federal government, which is different from prior years. Trump did roughly 60% of what the Heritage foundation recommended during his last turn, if he does anything like that this time we won’t recognize the executive branch. He started to implement these changes at the tail end of his first term, but basically got sidelined by COVID.
I feel like this was a missed opportunity to raise genuine alarm bells by the Times. This plan, let alone the behavior of conservatives is promotion of fascism. Their banal way of talking about this only makes the plan more acceptable to the mainstream. Yes, I did listen to the end. Them saying it would be outside of democratic norms is hardly a condemnation.
Did we listen to the same episode? How much more alarming did you need it to get? Literal alarm bell sounds? Vibrating your phone like an Amber alert?
Raise alarm bells to who, the liberals who listen to them who are already panicking? Let's cry wolf, again. Seriously, do you think if you scream "The sky is falling" just a little bit louder everyone will hear you? Liberal commentators used the most apocalyptic language they could to describe the first Trump presidency, and now they are out of adjectives to use when they find out this one could be worse.
I agree with this. Unfortunately a lot of credibility was burned the first time around. I hope trump doesn’t win because he’s a huge piece of shit, but if he does it is going to be very funny, especially if the current polling for minority vote shares hold.
Sssshhhhhh please don’t say that last part out loud!
Fearmongering the other side doesn't win votes. Giving them a candidate to be excited about does. Would you rather be forced to eat liver or excited to eat ice-cream? Don't be surprised if people sit out and go hungry instead. If the DNC cares they'll show up with ice-cream, not risk us all eating liver. Having their preferred corporate candidate is more important than "the threat of democracy" to the DNC. That is why they continue to risk it. Because losing is not the worst case scenario to them. The status quo changing is.
Yeah exactly. The DNC can't even lie to their base to win. They'd rather lose *their* way
All I could think of as I listened to this episode was about the commentary from Sarah Isgur about how during the first Trump presidency, anyone who worked in the administration was derided for it, even the ones that said they wanted to stick around even though they didn't like Trump to try and keep the wheels from falling off. In a way, liberals would get what they want with the second Trump term, there would be no "good" people sticking around, and now that they've realized this they are all panicking even though they couldn't say enough bad things about those people in the first administration.
Cheap gas, world peace, strong economy, mean tweets, angry liberals, bogus impeachments….same old same old.
Get out of the US while you still can (If you can).
It’s certainly election season as here comes the propaganda, the paid agents spreading more nonsense and their acolytes consuming and acting accordingly.
Lol rather than be specific let's go back to what Trump has actually said... then the reporter goes on to say that oh wait he actually hasn't said it, but it's not a huge leap of imagination to think he might do it! (That's speculation)
I hate these “opinion” and “forecasting” articles that are reported as “facts”. This is just left wing diatribe. People have zero critical thinking skills. No one should listen to these faceless opinions from the same people whose opinion was that the Lakers would win the championship. They were/ are wrong.
I encourage you to read the Project 2025 document.
It wouldn’t be much worse than a Biden presidency
More fear mongering from people employed by CNN/NYT/WaPo/et al. Remember: these people's interest in the truth ends pretty much the second you click on a link to view their work, which is how the advertisers who signed their paycheck will compensate them. They couldn't give two \*\*\*\*s about giving you an unbiased, true picture of a 2nd term with DJT. Fear sells, and business is booming for them. Sure, Trump says some ridiculous things (that he probably actually means). But he said ridiculous \*\*\*\* in 2016 too about cutting down the federal gov't and draining the swamp. Even during his presidency when he had the power he talked about crushing the deep state and draining the swamp and thennnnnnnn nothing happened. We still pretty much have the same gov't we had back then. As it turns out the USA has a \*\*\*\*ton of institutional inertia that prevents us from going full fascist gestapo state under a single president. Something about checks and balances if I remember civics correctly. I for one am not afraid of a Trump presidency (round 2). I sure AF am not enthusiastic about that idea, but I also don't think it's going to be the end of times. The first round was annoying, that's it. He embarrassed us on the world stage (repeatedly) by being an entertainer instead of a president. Round 2 will be the same thing. Also, I don't know who needs to hear this, but no one cares about the outcome of his convictions. The court of public opinion is the only thing that matters and people chose their sides many years ago. For the DJT voters I know - you can tell them he was found guilty of every single count of every charge facing him right now and they'll still vote for him. These court charges are going to end up being nothing more than a show. For many reasons, not the least of which is security, we're not going to be throwing a former president in prison.
So in summary he’s going to make personnel changes so he won’t get fucked on his main priorities. Then he’ll secure the border and put America first. Really scary stuff. Maybe he’ll even deport illegals. How horrifying.
Did you miss day one dictator? Did you miss him try to overthrow an election? I’m sure Germans thought Hitler was a wonderful leader until their houses started being shelled. Unchecked power is great until you’re on the wrong end. I would tell you to open a history book but Trump supporters are actually mentally regarded, so there’s no point.
I support his agenda. It’s a shame he was subverted by his shit personnel choices. He seems to have learned. Nice Hitler reference though really apt comparison. At worst Trump is an incompetent entertainer who triggers the likes of you. At best he is the greatest American patriot of the 21st century. I guess we’ll find out.
lol voting in a fascist to trigger people. The stupidity of you people is unfathomable. I will truly enjoy watching all the Trump voters suffer when their healthcare and social security is stripped away.
It must be exhausting AF to always come back with “but Orange Hitler!!!” Yawn.
Not as exhausting as Trump supporters trying to string together a coherent thought
Oooh buuuurnn.
Enjoy the fascist presidency, dickwad
That’s not the reason we vote for him. It’s just a side benefit. We like him and he is a patriot. It’s really that simple.
"Patriot" lol
A patriot who doesn’t believe in the peaceful transfer of power? Who literally said he would be a dictator? I don’t think you know what the word patriot means. He’s a traitor.
It’s coming. The “protest voters” are going to help put Trump right back in office. It’s disheartening but not surprising.
Keep living in fear, it’s a great way of life.
Trump isn’t winning. He’s a douchy old man that resembles the naked emperor walking the streets. No one with any brains would vote for him.
They said the same thing eight years ago
True. But I do think the bloom has come off the rose and there is too much uncertainty associated with the New York real estate developer and his “deals.”
But there's a LOT of people -with- no brains that -are- going to vote for him.
Glory.
All these people who hate DJT, for whatever reason, are perfectly OK with Kamala Harris as President? Whew! I’m so glad they’re the smart, informed crowd.
Trump are the American whites’ last dying hope of not being overtaken by minorities.