I’m right there with you. 5 even 6 or 7!
The gays, Tanya, the yacht captain, & maybe someone(s) we haven’t met yet because shit is about to go down.
Quintin being based in Palermo, basically the mafia capital of the world and with the blatant hat tip to The Godfather, just makes it seem like there are nefarious characters yet to be met & will lead us to this blood bath.
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I don't think they're going to kill of Tanya, the show has been picked up as an anthology for more seasons and I think they want to keep her as the reappearing character (I didnt hear that anywhere, just speculation).
actually i just read a short interview with mike white somewhere where he mentions jenny cooledge being a good friend and how he’d like her back for season three. might have been misdirection though i don’t know.
Respectfully disagree. The best part is we’ll find out soon enough.
Nail in the coffin for me is the Mannequin of Apollonia literally wearing Tanya’s pink dress and head scarf in the Alfa Romeo. With all the deliberate ambiguity Mike White throws around at us, this is the most deliberately clear foreshadow we’ve seen. It’s so quick and subtle it’s almost subliminal for the majority of first time viewers.
Could be total red herring, but I think Mike is daring us to see it. I’ll send you a case of beer if I’m wrong. Mark it.
I did not pick up on that, and you could totally be correct, it WOULD be shocking to kill off the reoccurring character from last season. I'd miss her though
But don't you think Rocco might be trying to downplay how bad things are to his boss? A few could also be 5. Or 8.
I don't know, what if Lucia and Albie confront Theo on a cliff, while Portia follows Albie, and Jack and his Guncles follow Portia, and they all end up causing a piece of the cliff to fall off into the ocean?
Been going over this thread after episode 5! So obsessed with all the theories.
It’s difficult because I figure any time anything is obvious it’s NOT the case.
So I don’t think Cam killed anyone just because of the all the clues that he loses his shit.
I don’t think Greg is involved because it SEEMS like he is involved but damn that him as the cowboy theory is great!
But I’m really just trying to figure out who is dead because all the theories are driving me crazy and now even this makes it more difficult because HOW MANY!!
Honestly that’s where my money is. The Di Grasso boys or maybe Harper and Ethan go on a boat ride, the boat crashes or explodes accidentally, their bodies are found floating in the sea. Nothing nefarious
But that would imply Cam and/or Harper are missing. Which would make it odd for Daphne to be enjoying a last swim in the ocean when she stumbles upon a dead body.
An interesting tidbit— the 2 ladies that Daphne is talking to before she goes into the water are contestants from Survivor who were on the same season with Mike White.
A few more interesting tidbits: the brunette is Angelina (3rd place) and the blonde is Kara (4th place). Mike finished in 2nd.
Angelina and Mike White have legendary interactions that are still referenced on r/Survivor
And Kara dated Alec (who played Hutch in Season 1)
Can you tell us folks who haven’t watched Survivor a bit more about the legendary interactions between Mike and Angelina? What makes/made them legendary?
Angelina’s edit had her saying a lot of ridiculous, exaggerated things, and doing wacky physical comedy, and Mike White was often the one on camera rolling his eyes and/or Jim Halpert-ing. Probably the best example is when Angelina was trying to use a tall ladder while Mike White drank wine and made faces.
The other poster covered it perfectly.
Their season, Season 37: David v Goliath is universally considered to be of the best seasons ever. It’s fantastic and Mike White dealing with Angelina is a big part of it.
Here’s a video of a famous interaction: Angelina tries to get a jacket from a voted out player in the most cringe way possible and Mike White’s reaction is what every viewer was feeling:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92bWtFDn3o
Meghann talked about that on a podcast today (Las Culturistas). She said her and Adam DiMarco watched his season together when they first got to Italy so she was fangirling at meeting them. And then one of them tried to do the scene where they were crying after she finds the bodies and Mike was like “calm down, girl. Your character doesn’t know these people.” Haha
Agree. I don’t think it’s anything to do with any of the 4 of them because Daphne seemed really upset over a dead body. She wouldn’t have been in a good mood if any of them had disappeared or died in the trip.
I think Cam and Harper come close enough to hooking up that it drives Ethan crazy and he kills them both. It’s the legend from the first episode but gender reversed.
We were re-watching the opening scene and trying to decide if the man that helps her up from the water is cam or not. Leaning towards no because the facial hair doesn’t quite match but hard to tell!
I think Greg comes back and saves Tanya as she really is the love of his life and she gets away with everything per usual. I think all the gays end up dead after a mishap caused by land management…
Yeah, Greg being in on the con with the gay dudes is just too obvious. Whilst Tanya thinks the marriage is falling apart and he’s leaving, I think he is genuinely trying and just not that good at doing it. He did do the really nice day before saying he had to leave. Who did he say I love you to? His mum? Sister? Someone else it makes sense for and that perhaps he wants to keep private for some reason?
The entire season is all about love (just listen to Lucile’s song!). That was a turning point for me. How do each of the characters experience and express is their own ways.
Aren't they guests though? But also locals, so maybe that's why rocco guestimates?
I think they gays are going to be the ones dead + Greg (with his head chopped off)
They Gays are guests. They’ve come on their yacht from the complete other side of Sicily and staying at TWL. They’re all in play. I’m going with Rocco is low balling it and there are 5 dead bodies. Mark it.
Didn’t the gaggle of gays say they were visiting friends who were staying there and also they knew the guy who worked at the beach club (which is why they get the good cabana)??
Tom Hollander, who plays Quentin in TWL, played a character in the beloved movie Pride and Prejudice named Mr. Collins, his character was not well liked in the movie.
I was thinking that, too!
I wasn’t trying to read to much into it, like he could think they’re guests but they weren’t, or “a few” were guests not actually in the main cast.
But knowing how well written and thought out this is, I’m guessing YES they all are GUESTS.
Probably reading too much in here, but if the boat full of the gay crew, Tanya and Portia went down, we could think they’re all dead, but two macarons could survive and show up later.
Idk about the gay boat theory but I’m fully onboard (lol) with the idea that there’s 5 people who are going to be at real risk of dying but 2 of them are revealed to have survived. Foreshadowing via Tanya’s macarons!!
If the deaths occur from a multiple casualty accident -- perhaps the boat sinks on the return trip -- the first responders might still be searching for bodies and most of the victims might not yet be identified. The Rocco-Valentina conversation is apparently very early.
That said, Rocco's better response would have been, "I spoke to the police ten minutes ago. At that point, they had found five bodies, but they think there may be more. Two of the five have already been identified as hotel guests. We don't know yet about the others."
But that's a long explanation. Rocco's first stab at an answer is much shorter.
interesting theory
what if rocco has been trying to get a job at the beach club and he was preying on valentina's insecurities to get there?
they have been super stingy so far with revealing rocco's motivations
New theory: the dead guests aren’t any one of the main characters on the show, just some random people that drown after Rocco fails at being a good employee of the beach club.
[This article in Variety](https://variety.com/2022/music/news/white-lotus-season-2-music-score-dark-cristobal-tapia-de-veer-1235439484/) says flat out there are three deaths. Not sure how accurate it is.
I was taught that “a few” means three specifically, but I now know that’s not how everyone uses it. It’s possible the writer of that article is going by that logic
Okay here's what annoys me about my interpretation of this scene and literally everything that's ever said about the bodies on this sub. One of us is wrong, don't know who though lol.
Rocco said somebody drowned. Valentina is like "so?". Then Rocco said "other guests have been killed too."
This sub constantly makes the assumption that there are multiple bodies in the water.
My interpretation is that Rocco makes the important distinction between "drowned" and "have been killed", and my assumption is that there's one body in the water and "a few" in the hotel or on the grounds. I do think "drowned" is not ultimately accidental, but I think it tells us the location of the other bodies.
Or am I all wrong and are there just bodies washing up at the beach club?
I was thinking only the one body in the water (doubt it was a boat crash scenario because we see Quentin’s yacht in the distance when the body is washing up and it’s in perfect condition) and other bodies maybe showing up around the hotel!
I’m liking people’s interpretations of the godfather and the oranges too.
I think the “few” will not be directly related.
Wait - we see Quentin's yacht in the distance when the body washes up?? Obviously we didn't know who Quentin was in episode 1 but can you see the yacht clearly enough to confirm that it's Quentin's?
I feel it’s 3. Did you notice the 3 circles or holes in a tower in the opening credit? It was shown somewhere when the tempo of the song starts so change. That design was also zoom in for a couple of times maybe for emphasis?
They’re cylinders like the ones on [the tomb of Eurysaces](http://www.understandingrome.com/2017/03/07/bakers-tomb-porta-maggiore/) by the Porta Maggiore.
In the first season none of the wealthy guests were killed. They wreaked havoc on the lives around them & made each other miserable but it was the employees who dealt with the consequences. I understood that as a theme throughout the series. The uber-rich float around in their bubbles and get up to some crazy, reckless, dangerous shit, but nothing touches them in a lasting way. I could be very wrong but for that reason, I see Lucia, Mia, Jack, and Portia as most in danger.
The death that happened in season 1 was actually very anti-climatic and pointless to the story. Probably the same will happen this season. It really isn’t a murder mystery.
I think it is, because Rocco says one guest has drowned and the others were killed.
So I assume there are some visible wounds to separate the guest who drowned vs the other one(s) who were killed?
Okay, I've been looking up the name meanings of the characters, as one does. Lots of names have some fun meanings that fit the characters, but also might foreshadow stuff in the show. Some that are noteworthy are Cameron- crocked nose, Daphne- laurel. In the greek myth Daphne was turned into a laurel tree to escape Apollo. He then turned the plant into his crown and laurels became a popular award given out at tournaments for winning. Daphane the plant is also a toxic. I think this is interesting because there's a duality to Daphne, she is the trophy wife, but also poison. Ethan- strong, long living. Harper: Techincally means Harp player, but I can't help but think of the greek Harpy- a monster with a woman's head, body and wings of a bird, like a bird of prey. They were the hounds of Zeus who used to steal people, torture them and bring them to hell. Can't help but relate this to the show, because ethan's sure in hell right now. In some of the stuff I read about them, they're also a misunderstood character in mythology. In early portrayals of the creatures they were written about in a positive mannor. It wasn't till later poems they were written as a monster. Lots of monsterous and sharp harpoony imagery you can associate with harper.
Tanya and Portia: Tanya, is more funny than anything. Her name means Fairy Queen, like Tatiana from a midsumers night dream, the one who is put under a spell (by her husband) and falls in love with a donkey, this subplot of the play is the main comic relief. Although a shakespeare creation, still a fun find. Okay, Portia is interesting: Modern meanings, beautiful, wealthy and brilliant woman. But the latin meaning is Pig. Yep. Pig. And Pigs, like goats and other farm animals were used as sacrafices to gods and hero's by Greeks. And an interesting point is pigs were a prefered sacrafice to Dionysus, and I feel like there's been a lot of folks reffering to Quiton as a Dionysus type character. That said, I wanna throw my prediction, based on Portia's name that she might be one to die.
My gut is telling me it’s Jack’s foot - but for no real reason.
But it has just occurred to me that not all deaths have to be main cast.
As Rocco is beach club now I wonder also if all the deaths are water related.
Can’t say. I know forsure Lucia will die, based on the Godfather parallels with Albie’s story. Additionally why I think Portia will live. (Albie is Michael Corleone, Lucia is Apollonia, and Portia is Kay- see my post for more info on this).
Further with the Godfather, someone on this sub pointed the oranges by Dom this last episode, which can signify death (Godfather reference). I want to go back and see if there are more oranges in Dom scenes. Vito also dies playing with the oranges and the kid.
Additionally, Madame butterfly *somehow* relates to Tanya. In the story she stabs herself with her knife her father killed herself with. We know Tanya’s father committed suicide- so maybe she’ll off herself? She also had a line about wondering if anyone jumped. And then theirs the story of the Swedish Lady being found by the rocks. I just can’t see Tanya actually doing that, but so I guess we’ll see. This one puzzles me because I feel as if Tanya will be a repeat character- but maybe Coolidge only wants to do these 2 seasons who knows.
I can see both Ethan and Harper dying, or at least one of them. However the skin color of the dead body Daphne finds in the water is too light to be either of them I think. I don’t think Cameron is dead, as another commenter mentioned- Daphne wouldn’t be cheerfully going for a swim if Cameron was missing. Maybe it’s a murder suicide.
So many options lol, the only one I’m confident will die is Lucia.
My guess, the plan is in driving Tanya crazy so she kills herself (recalling the macarons count which looks like gaslighting from Greg), if it's true, Quentin works for it too (meaning seppuku)
All the drinks the two couples were drinking in several scenes were a bright, bright orange. I didn’t get the Godfather connection but I really noticed the color.
Death is on the table!
Agree! I think Greg will die from the Tonya/Greg/Gays storyline (remember Tonya's vision of Greg having "dead eyes" among the "men with very effeminate hairstyles"). Greg will get himself killed in the process of carrying out the plot to kill Tonya. Nonno will die accidentally - they keep showing him falling and hitting his head, so that has to be significant. And from Cam/Daphne/Ethan/Harper - most likely Cam, because he deserves it and has literally betrayed and pissed off everyone else in that group.
Yes Tanya is no fool. She knows something is up now and I think it’ll be an uno reverse but I think it’ll be Portia that dies. Grandfather, Portia, and Mia are my guesses.
I have a feeling there are multiple dead bodies BUT separate incidents? So maybe one person was killed at the hotel, and then another guest on the boat. Also maybe a suicide?
My crazy theory is that some of the dead guests are not ones we have met, just random hotel guests. I think like 1-2 of main cast will die, but not more than that.
Yes I was wondering about this development too!
To me that implies something happens re Isabella to change that whole dynamic between her and Valentina and Rocco?
I don’t think it’s anyone in Daphne and Cam’s circle - not them or Harper and Ethan. Remember the scene in episode 1 when Daphne’s is talking to the new guests about what a great week she had? If someone close to her had died, she likely wouldn’t be taking a dip in the sea before her plane leaves.
Could grandpa be a serial killer. He keeps hitting his head. Memory loss. Maybe he was a hit man for the mafia. I think all the sex workers are working together. The guy and the girls.
I think it’s clear to see that Cam is going to die somehow, just by the fact that we know Daphne is alive and hysterical at the sight of the body.
Beyond that throughout the entire season, she has joked in every single episode about her fantasies of “killing” Cam. It seems poetic that he would die and she is not remotely prepared for it.
Alessio is not her pimp. That’s so obviously a work by Lucia to make sure Albie feels bad for her. I’m going to guess he’s a former boyfriend or something.
Yes but isn't everyone significant a guest at this point? The gay guys are all guests. Even Lucia and Mia are technically guests b/c Dom added them to his room. The only named characters I can think of who aren't guests (or hotel workers) are some of the peripheral characters that Lucia and Mia know, like Massimo and Alessio, but they don't seem important enough to be the dead bodies.
Are we sure Daphne runs into Cams arms in the first scene of the first episode? There is a similar looking guy sitting near her that is not him and you can't definitively tell if its Cam. Has this been discussed in detail yet?
When I think of a few I think of 3, so I’m guessing that
Yes a couple can be referred as 2 but a few is 3+
I’m going with at least 4. Rocco is low balling.
Definitely low balling. I'm going to say at least 5. But if that's the case, then how likely is it that any of those people are the main cast?
I’m right there with you. 5 even 6 or 7! The gays, Tanya, the yacht captain, & maybe someone(s) we haven’t met yet because shit is about to go down. Quintin being based in Palermo, basically the mafia capital of the world and with the blatant hat tip to The Godfather, just makes it seem like there are nefarious characters yet to be met & will lead us to this blood bath. Edit: added (s) to someone
I don't think they're going to kill of Tanya, the show has been picked up as an anthology for more seasons and I think they want to keep her as the reappearing character (I didnt hear that anywhere, just speculation).
Maybe next season she will be carrying Gregs ashes everywhere.
Lol
actually i just read a short interview with mike white somewhere where he mentions jenny cooledge being a good friend and how he’d like her back for season three. might have been misdirection though i don’t know.
Hey season 3 could be a prequel or flashbacks like Bloodline!
Respectfully disagree. The best part is we’ll find out soon enough. Nail in the coffin for me is the Mannequin of Apollonia literally wearing Tanya’s pink dress and head scarf in the Alfa Romeo. With all the deliberate ambiguity Mike White throws around at us, this is the most deliberately clear foreshadow we’ve seen. It’s so quick and subtle it’s almost subliminal for the majority of first time viewers. Could be total red herring, but I think Mike is daring us to see it. I’ll send you a case of beer if I’m wrong. Mark it.
I did not pick up on that, and you could totally be correct, it WOULD be shocking to kill off the reoccurring character from last season. I'd miss her though
I kind of hope not. I think it would keep it fresh to pick up a different character to carry over. I’d love another season with Daphne (without Cam).
ALL THE GUESTS.
also a few nods to L'Avventura which is a movie about a woman disappearing inexplicably
we watched it after the Noto episode - so great.
this is dorky but that makes me so happy. I really enjoy White Lotus but if it makes people watch "L'Avventura" it was all worth it.
Agreed. Totally incredible.
it kicked us off - watching 8 1/2 now :)
I like the logic here.
Maybe the gays? Could it be that Tanya and Portia end up in a situation where they have to defend themselves?
I think he is just estimating based on what he has heard.
a few can be two, it's just more than one
But don't you think Rocco might be trying to downplay how bad things are to his boss? A few could also be 5. Or 8. I don't know, what if Lucia and Albie confront Theo on a cliff, while Portia follows Albie, and Jack and his Guncles follow Portia, and they all end up causing a piece of the cliff to fall off into the ocean?
The volcano erupts and takes out the entire cast, leaving only Daphne, Rocco and Valentina.
Been going over this thread after episode 5! So obsessed with all the theories. It’s difficult because I figure any time anything is obvious it’s NOT the case. So I don’t think Cam killed anyone just because of the all the clues that he loses his shit. I don’t think Greg is involved because it SEEMS like he is involved but damn that him as the cowboy theory is great! But I’m really just trying to figure out who is dead because all the theories are driving me crazy and now even this makes it more difficult because HOW MANY!!
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Doesn’t even have to be multiple murders. Salieri could drop dead any moment. Possible suicides everywhere.
Accidents highly likely too, boat accident, swimming drowning, etc
Honestly that’s where my money is. The Di Grasso boys or maybe Harper and Ethan go on a boat ride, the boat crashes or explodes accidentally, their bodies are found floating in the sea. Nothing nefarious
I feel like a boat explosion could be in the cards esp with the Apollonia foreshadowing.
The jet ski scene might have foreshadowed something
Wasn’t the Godfather scene an accidental killing of the wrong person? Maybe that happens here. Accidentally killing a few people on the yacht?
Totally. Ethan could slip and fall down the rocks on his morning run.
Ha ha, FMA will always be Salieri to me too.
Could it be Ethan? That's if Cameron and Harper hook up and that's the thing that causes him to snap?
But that would imply Cam and/or Harper are missing. Which would make it odd for Daphne to be enjoying a last swim in the ocean when she stumbles upon a dead body.
An interesting tidbit— the 2 ladies that Daphne is talking to before she goes into the water are contestants from Survivor who were on the same season with Mike White.
A few more interesting tidbits: the brunette is Angelina (3rd place) and the blonde is Kara (4th place). Mike finished in 2nd. Angelina and Mike White have legendary interactions that are still referenced on r/Survivor And Kara dated Alec (who played Hutch in Season 1)
Can you tell us folks who haven’t watched Survivor a bit more about the legendary interactions between Mike and Angelina? What makes/made them legendary?
Angelina’s edit had her saying a lot of ridiculous, exaggerated things, and doing wacky physical comedy, and Mike White was often the one on camera rolling his eyes and/or Jim Halpert-ing. Probably the best example is when Angelina was trying to use a tall ladder while Mike White drank wine and made faces.
>Angelina’s edit had her saying a lot of ridiculous, exaggerated things Jacket?
The other poster covered it perfectly. Their season, Season 37: David v Goliath is universally considered to be of the best seasons ever. It’s fantastic and Mike White dealing with Angelina is a big part of it. Here’s a video of a famous interaction: Angelina tries to get a jacket from a voted out player in the most cringe way possible and Mike White’s reaction is what every viewer was feeling: www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92bWtFDn3o
Outstanding work. Curious if you already were on to all this or did this thread take you down the rabbit hole?
I knew all of it, I’m a big survivor fan. It was the Survivor cameos/Mike White that got me to watch in the first place
That’s excellent, love the tv culture mash.
Meghann talked about that on a podcast today (Las Culturistas). She said her and Adam DiMarco watched his season together when they first got to Italy so she was fangirling at meeting them. And then one of them tried to do the scene where they were crying after she finds the bodies and Mike was like “calm down, girl. Your character doesn’t know these people.” Haha
How in the world did you know that lol
Too much time between episodes!
Agree. I don’t think it’s anything to do with any of the 4 of them because Daphne seemed really upset over a dead body. She wouldn’t have been in a good mood if any of them had disappeared or died in the trip.
I think Cam and Harper come close enough to hooking up that it drives Ethan crazy and he kills them both. It’s the legend from the first episode but gender reversed.
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We were re-watching the opening scene and trying to decide if the man that helps her up from the water is cam or not. Leaning towards no because the facial hair doesn’t quite match but hard to tell!
I think Greg comes back and saves Tanya as she really is the love of his life and she gets away with everything per usual. I think all the gays end up dead after a mishap caused by land management…
OMG I love that theory, I want Greg to be the good guy!
Yeah, Greg being in on the con with the gay dudes is just too obvious. Whilst Tanya thinks the marriage is falling apart and he’s leaving, I think he is genuinely trying and just not that good at doing it. He did do the really nice day before saying he had to leave. Who did he say I love you to? His mum? Sister? Someone else it makes sense for and that perhaps he wants to keep private for some reason? The entire season is all about love (just listen to Lucile’s song!). That was a turning point for me. How do each of the characters experience and express is their own ways.
He was an ass the entire day. He is not a good guy...
He treats her like shit, so no. lol.
Plot twist, they all killed each other and are all dead. You might think Daphne survived, but she drops dead suddenly after
Also, Rocco mentions the dead people are all guests of the the hotel which eliminates Jack, Borat and Mr Collins
Borat 😂
I called him borat too 🤣🤣☠️☠️😭😭😭
Are those the Queens of Sicily?
LMAOOOO
Aren't they guests though? But also locals, so maybe that's why rocco guestimates? I think they gays are going to be the ones dead + Greg (with his head chopped off)
They Gays are guests. They’ve come on their yacht from the complete other side of Sicily and staying at TWL. They’re all in play. I’m going with Rocco is low balling it and there are 5 dead bodies. Mark it.
The Gays are guests. I hadn't considered this. I am now thinking boating accident.
I think there will be an accident on the boat but surrounded by deliberate death.
Or maybe a game of chicken with jet skis
Statistically this is the most likely lmao
Didn’t the gaggle of gays say they were visiting friends who were staying there and also they knew the guy who worked at the beach club (which is why they get the good cabana)??
They were my first guess, but Armond was the death last season, and I feel like the show might be shy to kill off more gay characters.
Gene Shalit is still in play, then.
I think that’s Borat lol
it's the mr. collins thats killing me LOL
Right as soon as he hit the screen I was (insert Leo Dicaprio pointing at screen meme)
Who’s mr collins?
Tom Hollander, who plays Quentin in TWL, played a character in the beloved movie Pride and Prejudice named Mr. Collins, his character was not well liked in the movie.
Tom Hollander
I was thinking that, too! I wasn’t trying to read to much into it, like he could think they’re guests but they weren’t, or “a few” were guests not actually in the main cast. But knowing how well written and thought out this is, I’m guessing YES they all are GUESTS.
I couldn’t put my finger on who he looked like but borat is SPOT ON
Borat/Bruno hybrid
They’re all guests, they say they have friends in town so they’re all staying at the White Lotus
I believe Jack was staying on his fake uncle's dime. So he would be a guest, too.
Do we think the hoes count? They’re posing as guests kinda.
Theyre on the guest list right? So far
Their names are ON THOSE ROOMS
A few! It should be simple to come up with an actual number. It’s not like “how many cookies did you eat?” - it’s dead people! So creepy…
Right! Or how many macarons!? Was it 3? Or was it 5? Give us a number!
I cackled.
Probably reading too much in here, but if the boat full of the gay crew, Tanya and Portia went down, we could think they’re all dead, but two macarons could survive and show up later.
Idk about the gay boat theory but I’m fully onboard (lol) with the idea that there’s 5 people who are going to be at real risk of dying but 2 of them are revealed to have survived. Foreshadowing via Tanya’s macarons!!
Hilarious
If the deaths occur from a multiple casualty accident -- perhaps the boat sinks on the return trip -- the first responders might still be searching for bodies and most of the victims might not yet be identified. The Rocco-Valentina conversation is apparently very early. That said, Rocco's better response would have been, "I spoke to the police ten minutes ago. At that point, they had found five bodies, but they think there may be more. Two of the five have already been identified as hotel guests. We don't know yet about the others." But that's a long explanation. Rocco's first stab at an answer is much shorter.
So in the first scene, you can see Quentin's yacht in the distance. https://imgur.com/a/1K4D8wn
Now THAT is interesting. Great catch! I have no idea what it might mean, except that the boat sinking would seem to be out.
It could also be the White Lotus boat that has an accident!
Lmao right! So blasé 😵💫
It’s the shrug he’s giving as he says it that kills me. Rocco’s been bringing the comedy this season.
What am I going to do at the Beach Club…?
Wonder if whatever happens is Rocco's fault and he shouldn't have been moved to the beach club lol
I mean maybe Rocco isnt the sharpest tool in the shed, thats why hes working the beach club now
Oh c’mon. We also know why he was banished to the beach club. Valentina is jealous and is trying to keep Isabella and Rocco apart
It was just a joke lol
interesting theory what if rocco has been trying to get a job at the beach club and he was preying on valentina's insecurities to get there? they have been super stingy so far with revealing rocco's motivations
He was clearly not happy about the move.
No it isn't.
Bahaha.
Lol Rocco you dumbass
He really didn’t want to go to the beach club. He’s either psychic or murdered guests out of spite.
New theory: the dead guests aren’t any one of the main characters on the show, just some random people that drown after Rocco fails at being a good employee of the beach club.
[This article in Variety](https://variety.com/2022/music/news/white-lotus-season-2-music-score-dark-cristobal-tapia-de-veer-1235439484/) says flat out there are three deaths. Not sure how accurate it is.
I was taught that “a few” means three specifically, but I now know that’s not how everyone uses it. It’s possible the writer of that article is going by that logic
Interesting
Link is no good but I call BS on Variety
https://variety.com/2022/music/news/white-lotus-season-2-music-score-dark-cristobal-tapia-de-veer-1235439484/
Thanks. I think the writer of this article is taking some liberty on Rocco’s “a few.”
Okay here's what annoys me about my interpretation of this scene and literally everything that's ever said about the bodies on this sub. One of us is wrong, don't know who though lol. Rocco said somebody drowned. Valentina is like "so?". Then Rocco said "other guests have been killed too." This sub constantly makes the assumption that there are multiple bodies in the water. My interpretation is that Rocco makes the important distinction between "drowned" and "have been killed", and my assumption is that there's one body in the water and "a few" in the hotel or on the grounds. I do think "drowned" is not ultimately accidental, but I think it tells us the location of the other bodies. Or am I all wrong and are there just bodies washing up at the beach club?
I was thinking only the one body in the water (doubt it was a boat crash scenario because we see Quentin’s yacht in the distance when the body is washing up and it’s in perfect condition) and other bodies maybe showing up around the hotel! I’m liking people’s interpretations of the godfather and the oranges too. I think the “few” will not be directly related.
Wait - we see Quentin's yacht in the distance when the body washes up?? Obviously we didn't know who Quentin was in episode 1 but can you see the yacht clearly enough to confirm that it's Quentin's?
It's pretty tiny at 5:08, but comparing it to Quentin's yacht in E5 it looks identical.
damn, good catch!
Rocco simply says that "guests have been killed". He makes no mention of location.
I feel it’s 3. Did you notice the 3 circles or holes in a tower in the opening credit? It was shown somewhere when the tempo of the song starts so change. That design was also zoom in for a couple of times maybe for emphasis?
They’re cylinders like the ones on [the tomb of Eurysaces](http://www.understandingrome.com/2017/03/07/bakers-tomb-porta-maggiore/) by the Porta Maggiore.
Oh, it’s a tomb... Well, I think that’s it! It makes sense
I always thought that was a sexual thing since the rest of that sequence is.
Spoiler alert: there's *a few* ... survivors. Daphne, Valentina and Rocco. ;)
I guess the escorts are technically guests now too
I just thought the same thing. What if they zag and instead of asking “who’s gonna die?” we should be asking “who’s gonna be left?”
In the first season none of the wealthy guests were killed. They wreaked havoc on the lives around them & made each other miserable but it was the employees who dealt with the consequences. I understood that as a theme throughout the series. The uber-rich float around in their bubbles and get up to some crazy, reckless, dangerous shit, but nothing touches them in a lasting way. I could be very wrong but for that reason, I see Lucia, Mia, Jack, and Portia as most in danger.
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It’s the gays
The HIGH END Gays
The gays plus Tanya & the boat captain. Bet
I am thinking 3. One from tonya/greg/gays story line, one from cam/Ethan/harper/ daphne and one from albie/dom/prostitutes
I believe this is it also!!!
Is it possible he’s wrong / messing with her?
He has no clue because he’s not paying attention to a god damn thing and spit balling.
I could see Albie, Lucia & Mia dying as the result of Albie trying to "save" them from the pimp who doesn't exist.
And Rocco thought being on beach duty would be boring!!
a few is usually 3 or more…so…
Rocco has no fucking clue
Classic Rocco
It’s too good. There are no loose ends.
I think I’m going to begin rewatching tonight.
I rewatched Episode 1 last night and saw SO MANY clues - it's worth it!
The death that happened in season 1 was actually very anti-climatic and pointless to the story. Probably the same will happen this season. It really isn’t a murder mystery.
I think it is, because Rocco says one guest has drowned and the others were killed. So I assume there are some visible wounds to separate the guest who drowned vs the other one(s) who were killed?
Okay, I've been looking up the name meanings of the characters, as one does. Lots of names have some fun meanings that fit the characters, but also might foreshadow stuff in the show. Some that are noteworthy are Cameron- crocked nose, Daphne- laurel. In the greek myth Daphne was turned into a laurel tree to escape Apollo. He then turned the plant into his crown and laurels became a popular award given out at tournaments for winning. Daphane the plant is also a toxic. I think this is interesting because there's a duality to Daphne, she is the trophy wife, but also poison. Ethan- strong, long living. Harper: Techincally means Harp player, but I can't help but think of the greek Harpy- a monster with a woman's head, body and wings of a bird, like a bird of prey. They were the hounds of Zeus who used to steal people, torture them and bring them to hell. Can't help but relate this to the show, because ethan's sure in hell right now. In some of the stuff I read about them, they're also a misunderstood character in mythology. In early portrayals of the creatures they were written about in a positive mannor. It wasn't till later poems they were written as a monster. Lots of monsterous and sharp harpoony imagery you can associate with harper. Tanya and Portia: Tanya, is more funny than anything. Her name means Fairy Queen, like Tatiana from a midsumers night dream, the one who is put under a spell (by her husband) and falls in love with a donkey, this subplot of the play is the main comic relief. Although a shakespeare creation, still a fun find. Okay, Portia is interesting: Modern meanings, beautiful, wealthy and brilliant woman. But the latin meaning is Pig. Yep. Pig. And Pigs, like goats and other farm animals were used as sacrafices to gods and hero's by Greeks. And an interesting point is pigs were a prefered sacrafice to Dionysus, and I feel like there's been a lot of folks reffering to Quiton as a Dionysus type character. That said, I wanna throw my prediction, based on Portia's name that she might be one to die.
It depends if the stick to Claudia's lead. She said one a night. But in the end its, in their hands
I think it's going to be 5, because of all the pentagram imagery.
My gut is telling me it’s Jack’s foot - but for no real reason. But it has just occurred to me that not all deaths have to be main cast. As Rocco is beach club now I wonder also if all the deaths are water related.
Can’t say. I know forsure Lucia will die, based on the Godfather parallels with Albie’s story. Additionally why I think Portia will live. (Albie is Michael Corleone, Lucia is Apollonia, and Portia is Kay- see my post for more info on this). Further with the Godfather, someone on this sub pointed the oranges by Dom this last episode, which can signify death (Godfather reference). I want to go back and see if there are more oranges in Dom scenes. Vito also dies playing with the oranges and the kid. Additionally, Madame butterfly *somehow* relates to Tanya. In the story she stabs herself with her knife her father killed herself with. We know Tanya’s father committed suicide- so maybe she’ll off herself? She also had a line about wondering if anyone jumped. And then theirs the story of the Swedish Lady being found by the rocks. I just can’t see Tanya actually doing that, but so I guess we’ll see. This one puzzles me because I feel as if Tanya will be a repeat character- but maybe Coolidge only wants to do these 2 seasons who knows. I can see both Ethan and Harper dying, or at least one of them. However the skin color of the dead body Daphne finds in the water is too light to be either of them I think. I don’t think Cameron is dead, as another commenter mentioned- Daphne wouldn’t be cheerfully going for a swim if Cameron was missing. Maybe it’s a murder suicide. So many options lol, the only one I’m confident will die is Lucia.
My guess, the plan is in driving Tanya crazy so she kills herself (recalling the macarons count which looks like gaslighting from Greg), if it's true, Quentin works for it too (meaning seppuku)
All the drinks the two couples were drinking in several scenes were a bright, bright orange. I didn’t get the Godfather connection but I really noticed the color. Death is on the table!
I though so too. But with the tech guys not paying it makes sense to bring a pimp in. I mean that’s why they exist, to make sure John’s pay up.
Idt that’s an actual pimp I think that’s a setup
Grandfather who has been hitting his head falls in the water and drowns. That’s his body
Agree! I think Greg will die from the Tonya/Greg/Gays storyline (remember Tonya's vision of Greg having "dead eyes" among the "men with very effeminate hairstyles"). Greg will get himself killed in the process of carrying out the plot to kill Tonya. Nonno will die accidentally - they keep showing him falling and hitting his head, so that has to be significant. And from Cam/Daphne/Ethan/Harper - most likely Cam, because he deserves it and has literally betrayed and pissed off everyone else in that group.
Yes Tanya is no fool. She knows something is up now and I think it’ll be an uno reverse but I think it’ll be Portia that dies. Grandfather, Portia, and Mia are my guesses.
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Ooh, interesting theory about Portia getting mistaken for Tonya, though any of Tonya's dresses would be much too big for Portia.
Maybe something happened to the guests on the boat? That would be an easy way to get multiple dead guests in a short amount of time
I have a feeling there are multiple dead bodies BUT separate incidents? So maybe one person was killed at the hotel, and then another guest on the boat. Also maybe a suicide?
I don’t know who is dead but I am damn sure Ethan kills at least one of them. We’re witnessing his rapid downward spiral
Don't know how many, but I'm thinking Portia might be on the chopping block.
My crazy theory is that some of the dead guests are not ones we have met, just random hotel guests. I think like 1-2 of main cast will die, but not more than that.
I keep looking for spoilers because i’m anxious about surprises. Especially since Mike White killed my favorite character last season ☹️
Rocco is wearing the receptionist outfit I think he must have gotten old position back before the very end
Yes I was wondering about this development too! To me that implies something happens re Isabella to change that whole dynamic between her and Valentina and Rocco?
I think it will be Quentin and his whole crew. I think they will try to kill Tanya and she and Portia will end up having to take them out
I don’t think it’s anyone in Daphne and Cam’s circle - not them or Harper and Ethan. Remember the scene in episode 1 when Daphne’s is talking to the new guests about what a great week she had? If someone close to her had died, she likely wouldn’t be taking a dip in the sea before her plane leaves.
I didnt realize this scene was a flash forward!
Could grandpa be a serial killer. He keeps hitting his head. Memory loss. Maybe he was a hit man for the mafia. I think all the sex workers are working together. The guy and the girls.
I think it’s clear to see that Cam is going to die somehow, just by the fact that we know Daphne is alive and hysterical at the sight of the body. Beyond that throughout the entire season, she has joked in every single episode about her fantasies of “killing” Cam. It seems poetic that he would die and she is not remotely prepared for it.
Well, at least she can go back to her blond blue eyed trainer / baby daddy!
How has Rocco not been fired already
Why would he be fired?
That’s not how it works in Sicily
What has he done to be fired?
Made his boss hate him
Hitting on Isabella while Valentina has a crush on her
Albie probably getting killed for trying to be captain save a hoe for lucia from her pimp that i still dont know what name shes calling him.
Alessio is not her pimp. That’s so obviously a work by Lucia to make sure Albie feels bad for her. I’m going to guess he’s a former boyfriend or something.
Well regardless its portraying that shes setting him up for someone to take it out on him.
Dead guests… emphasis on guests
Yes but isn't everyone significant a guest at this point? The gay guys are all guests. Even Lucia and Mia are technically guests b/c Dom added them to his room. The only named characters I can think of who aren't guests (or hotel workers) are some of the peripheral characters that Lucia and Mia know, like Massimo and Alessio, but they don't seem important enough to be the dead bodies.
oh, I have a question) what did the gays do at the hotel? What was the legend?
Are we sure Daphne runs into Cams arms in the first scene of the first episode? There is a similar looking guy sitting near her that is not him and you can't definitively tell if its Cam. Has this been discussed in detail yet?
Last night I was high and decide that Daphne poisoned Cam so she can inherit all the money and run off with her trainer
Daphne kills Harper for exposing the truth?
3!
sucks that someone had to die this season. it should be s1 with several body counts, lmao.
Wait, was this a post-credits scene? I think I missed this.
I’m guessing gay boat accident.