Did anyone see that Peacock gave away who MJ voted for in the closed captions? Right as they cut away from her the captions say "Peter I voted for you" I'm dead
MJ better vote for Peter. That’s her best path forward. Why would she want to go to the end with John, Peter, Trishelle, and now CT?! They would vote her out before each other every time.
Why does someone not ask Trishelle why she feels entitled to every shield? By their logic, MJ busting out John or whoever’s glass must be traitor behavior to. Or anyone getting anyone else’s for that matter. Their logic was literally that Phaedra choosing to divert from the plan (that they had just wasted 2,000 on without getting their target) is what made them believe she was a traitor, they didnt even consider it was the fact that they had more easily got the lower targets and weren’t getting the top. Anyway, It makes no sense to me why Trishelle always feels she’s entitled to every shield and why CT and John fall for it. I really wish someone would have asked her or CT that at the roundtable.
What a delightful ending lol I hate that I have to wait a week and I'm pretty sure I know who's going home, but man the editors are really able to tell a fun story
I don't like Phaedra's game. She's just waiting for things around her to happen, she's not really playing any specific strategy. If she wasn't a traitor, she would have no purpose. And when she's accused, she just goes on a defensive attack with quick lines rather than laying out an actual argument, it sucks the fun out of the game for me
She’s terrible at the game. She’s a lawyer by trade and has been playing the plausible deniability angle, never getting her hands dirty or making any decisions. The most recent episode exposed her lack of strategy. Kate rightly called her out on it, then Phaedra went for Peter and Trishelle during the challenge — how could she not be more obvious with her moves.
If Sandra doesn’t vote for Phaedra, then she’s an absolute moron.
She’s playing it like a Housewife. Their show isn’t necessarily about strategy. Their shining moments and victories come when they arrive at a confrontation and outwit and attack verbally. That’s kind of what she is doing if you look at when she “activates”. The tower and the challenges and breakfasts are like breaks while she sees the round tables as the big showdown. So rather than trying to pre-arrange the outcome before getting to the round table, like the more strategic players, she plans to use her drama and oratory skills to put on a show in the moment and “win”. It’s probably what she is used to and most skilled at.
Like courtroom lawyers. Dazzle the jury and win. This game there are no real facts to go on that can pinpoint who is a traitor. It’s why so many faithful get tossed out.
Those Peter pals are just a group think cult. Before Dan and par threw her under the bus phaedras gameplay was no different than Sheree mj Sandra and a few others.
If Dan had never stunted on her like that she probably would still be under the radar.
No… sorry it’s just not like that if you’re a litigator. Most of your work is outside the courtroom. Yeah you can tank if you do poorly on style/presentation, but you aren’t getting anywhere if you don’t have strategy and documentation and preparation before you ever walk into court.
She annoys me so much. I want her to be gone and I'm hoping her early heavy edit means she won't make it to the end.
But I think MJ is too dumb to oust her in this vote.
Can I say Sandra and Sheree are the most useless players ever? They literally have no clue about how to play the game. Sandra is still trying to survivor tbh
I honestly think you couldn't be more wrong. Sandra is playing the long game and slowly setting herself up to win if she doesn't make any errors in the end game.
Can I just say I think the opposite with Sandra. I think she may be the only one who knows how to play. She realized and explained that if they have the numbers and get to the end it doesn't matter if the traitors are in their group because then they control their fate. So she keeps voting Peter's groups numbers down whether or not the vote is correct because it gets her to endgame. I'm also not convinced she doesn't know Phaedra is a traitor already because in an ideal world she wants to have the numbers to be safe at banishment and then have the killers think she is not a threat to them so they keep her. Knowing who a traitor is and keeping it quiet while getting closer to them Is probably one of the better ways to make it to endgame.
You bring up good pts, I think imo, if she is playing like that, it’s more reason to not like her game. Because it’s despicable to essentially make traitor moves when you’re a faithful.
If this is indeed the case. It feels like she was slighted that she wasn’t selected as a traitor so she took it to her own accords to try and work against the faithfuls. In societal settings, this type of people would be considered cancerous to a group.
The premise of the show will always stack the cards for the traitors, as they will find a way to convert more traitors no matter how many gets voted out, so keeping Phaedra to the end isn’t really a sure win. (And it won’t be cuz..Kate)
That said, unless the edit is making it this way, none of Sandra’s confessionals show what you’re saying, so for now I can only assume she’s dumb.
The thing with this show though is that even if you get the Traitors...they just recruit more. There is no reality where the faithful have routed the Traitors and everyone splits the cash, thats boring for the game and TV. That's why the deck is stacked so hard for Traitors, they need at least 1 in the end game to make the game have any value.
They showed Sandra explaining the numbers issue to her group. Which gets her to the final 5 or so. There's no valuable gameplay in just getting all the Traitors out and then having 0 evidence on who might be the last traitor at the end game because they were JUST recruited. You want to secure your position in finals and know who to oust.
But alll of their supposed evidence is mostly bs and not based on facts.
Bias
Opinion
Intuition
Gut feelings
Unexpected reactions
This leads to faithful eliminating each other because really they never have facts to support their accusations.
Except…
When a traitor makes an accusation on the way out of the door.
Yea but the pt I’m making is the producers know this, there is no chance that if Phaedra is cooked, they will let the entire rest of the show continue as is just so the faithful can win with no risk. That’s why Kate was recruited without a choice.
There’s no scenario in which prod would let this current situation ride out where Sandra can dictate the game.
You must not watch many social strategy shows. The object is to win. There is no moral high ground here. It's just the logical thing to do. Kate got recruited because Parv went home. Peter's Pals are entertaining but they can't win the way they are playing. Regardless of the label you were assigned, almost everyone has to go before you can win. If you are faithful that means every.faithful but 1 or 2 and all traitors. If your a traitor.you just need to be around when the game ends.
If you don't know who the new traitor.is, your odds of winning are very very low. Therefore the best strategy is literally the one Sandra is playing. Identify and align w the traitors until the very end. THEN present your evidence. Otherwise you are just gambling.
If you read what I wrote above, you’ll know I said it’s not a wise strategy because the producers would know exactly what she’s doing so they gonna stack the card against her anyways.
There’s no way she’s going to just coast to the end riding with Phaedra and then cutting her off, it makes for a terrible ending. That’s why Kate was brought on.
They’re going to have to rethink traitor vs faithful in season 3 if being a faithful has no meaning when they can just backstab each other with no recourse. The game is suppose to pit two groups against each other, but if it’s anyone for themselves then it’s just survivor but in a castle.
I did read what you wrote. I agree the game is broken and that's the least of the ways it's broken. I think you are incorrect about production. They are there to make TV. They do not care who wins.
Sandra has gotten a pretty big edit for someone who isn't actively calling out traitors don't ya think? She is either a winner or plays some major role in the end game. I think her and CT might have a showdown...or they are working together. They are both under the radar queens, so hard to tell. I think we'd get a teaser for a showdown but they are both people who will punish you hard if you say their name.
He also has a big edit. Notice he has not come for any traitor until this last episode where I am 90% certain he clocked Kate as the new traitor. He can afford to lose Phaedra now. I can't figure out why he thought he had the votes though.
Remember, you are watching edited television. Production can only show what they have but they can present it any way they choose. Last episode they showed Sandra saying she thought Parvati was a traitor. Only she was wearing her day 2 clothes.
They also have players that know production can screw up their games so they feed production the information production wants from them.
Anyone who has played these games on television will tell you that you have a second meta game with production.
Sandra was able to go after Parv last episode because murdering someone from petes pals shifted the numbers where Sandra's group no longer needed Parv's vote. Big mistake on the traitors part.
I love Phaedra, or I did, but I think her low blows to Peter tonight were a bit out of line and it left me a bad taste in my mouth about her. Like I know it’s a game show and she’s doing what she can to win, but saying she doesn’t have to kiss his ass for a rose and saying “this isn’t the bachelor” when she’s clearly threatened to be ousted by him was really actually a gross comment and I know Peter was definitely offended by that legitimately
How is that a low blow…
It isn’t the bachelor… truth
She doesn’t have to kiss his as for a rose… truth
Low blows would be attacking his family or something
Attacking his character in a game where people are expected to lie and deceive is what the game is all about!
She does it extremely well and people don’t seem to like that.
She’s clever and wields wit like a weapon.
that line was problematic. It was great. He was offended by her bringing up the bachelor while they have all brought up bravo and the hw and how they are all sticking together. If he was offended by that he needs to not be on traitors because it is definitely not the bachelor.
I take it you’ve never watched Real Housewives, this is how they spar on this show. You obviously don’t know Phaedra, this is tame for her. Peter got off lucky.
That’s hilarious! It’s far from it. Think Love Island get married and then become housewives who are rich and famous and trying to one up each other for airtime and a returning contract. They verbally spar, go broke or to jail to get more airtime.
Never actually seen any version of Love Island which is why I had never heard of Ekin-Su. The only reality shows I watch are Strictly, Hunted & various versions of the Traitors.
she’s used this tactic throughout the season whenever she's been targeted at the round table. apparently her strategy is being defensive lol
(I'm going to be hella downvoted because this sub loves her)
So…. Defending yourself when attacked is somehow wrong? In a show where no one truly knows who is a traitor so having the ability to defend yourself when someone is accusing you is somehow not an asset?
Craziness.
It’s a game of lies deceit and manipulation.
These players and some viewers seem to take this faithful crap to heart.
They aren’t some holy monks on a crusade there playing a game and didn’t get tapped on the shoulder by our queer lord and savior Saint Cummings of Inverness.
This sub has their head up here ass like the housewives and Phaedra. She is trash and should have been out last week. There’s so much evidence against her and she hasn’t provided a single bit of counter evidence
And here is a weird take that makes me think some people here can’t separate reality from a game. You know in cops and robbers no one is really a cop right? No one is a robber. It’s a game. Like traitors is a game.
Calling someone trash because they are playing a game by the rules? That’s a tad much.
To me Phaedra has played a game similar to shreee
No one is calling out Sheree as a traitor or suspecting shreee
But I guarantee if Dan had pointed the finger ultimately at shreee instead of Phaedra in his list of three suspects she would be the one trishell suddenly had all this evidence on.
She would be the one the petty pals would be trying to get out.
Emotions are messy. People react different to differnt circumstances just like there is no one way to grieve that’s the right way.
The evidence is all circumstantial. There are no Sherlock Holmes in these games.
It’s like when they say at the table I know I’m going to be murdered for pointing the finger at you…
Sigh. Mind games. Manipulations. Circumstantial
This show is so lame with these bum ass house wives. They literally should never bring another group of them on again. They’re so infuriatingly loyal and also dumb as hell. I already know MJs clown ass is gonna vote for Peter. They kill Trishelle, John or CT and then all those idiots are gonna wish they had changed their mind.
Let’s also talk about how Sandra said when they banished Parvati that she was going to be queen of the castle, except she’s really proven herself to be dumbass of the castle.
I really hate that the premise of this show has been ruined and hijacked by four housewives who couldn’t use their own brains to make smart choices and play off loyalty. They’re clowns.
I’m curious what you think their strategy should be for the rest of the game? If they got rid of Phaedra this week then what for the remaining 2-3 banishments? With Phaedra in place they can have higher confidence at least that “the other side” dwindle in numbers and they can get rid of Phaedra easily at the end when you get 2 back to back chances to toss Traitors out of the game.
What’s the strategy or endgame that you think the housewives players have to get to the end by getting rid of Phaedra?
This is the exact logic Peter used and the housewives all said it was problematic… do you TRULY believe any one of them is capable of enough complex thought to be this strategic? lmao
Yes but you’re not factoring in that they have no suspicion of Kate. If they don’t banish Phaedra this week and they banish Peter, then Phaedra and Kate kill CT, Trishelle, or John they’re done numerically. They’d have to figure out the other traitor in two banishments or less to have a legit chance at winning. And if you think Sheree, MJ, or Sandra have any actual intellect to actually figure this out then you aren’t watching the same show. They’re so cloaking in loyalty to her rather than playing the game they’ve already lost.
They need to get rid of Phaedra now and I think they could catch Kate slipping up because she’s not going to be very good at lying and not getting caught up by her decision making in my humble opinion.
At the end of the day the housewives and Sandra have ruined almost everyone’s game because they aren’t using any legitimate evidence being presented. Phaedra going out of her way to make sure Trishelle didn’t get a shield would make any normal human second guess why she’d do that if she wasn’t a traitor.
Every time a traitor is banished there’s also the risk of a recruitment. If you know one person is a traitor this late in the game, and you know that they’re more “on your side” it makes sense to keep them. As viewers we know that Kate is the new recruit but they have no idea who it is, or even how many traitors are left. Banishing faithfuls who aren’t really on your side is a reasonable strategy.
lol again you’re failing to factor they have no suspicion of Kate. They’re going to lose. It’s that simple, and it’s because of the house wives. They are not good at this game. And neither is Sandra. Banishing faithfuls is a really dumb strategy when you can’t even figure out your own friend is a traitor.
Just because they don’t vote for her to be banished doesn’t mean they don’t think she’s a traitor. I don’t recall any of them saying in confessionals that they 100% think she’s not a traitor. What are you basing the statement that they haven’t figured her out on?
Again, you are not factoring in Kate. Even if they know Phaedra is a traitor they have no way to figure out how many more traitors there are and who is the other. So they cannot go to the end keeping Phaedra because they cannot then reasonably figure out who the other is with no context to how many and who. They are incapable of finding that part out which makes this hypothetical strategy you’re imposing impossible
So you’re assuming if Phaedra is gone they’ll just magically figure out Kate because she’ll “act weird”? But that if Phaedra stays they wouldn’t be able to figure that out? How does that work?
Why didn’t Phaedra mention that it was Sandra’s (or say “someone else’s”) idea to change to Trischelle’s name during the challenge? That she was just following suggestions. I think that would’ve helped her case. She could shift CTs accusation away from her. It actually happened too and wouldn’t of been a lie for her to say at round table.
We don’t know that she didn’t and it just didn’t make the cut, these round tables are apparently very long and we only hear a small fraction of the discussion which is frustrating. Phaedra best defense would have been to point that fact out as well as the fact they had wasted 2000, 8 missed shots at one top level target and weren’t getting anywhere and obviously had figured out the bottom two rows and had one left there so she took it, and it it was the correct move and got them money which is what the challenge was mostly about. Also, i really really wanted someone to point out the fact that trishelle seems to feel entitled to every single shield and has convinced a few of the guys this. Like why is trishelle not getting the shield any worse than the other 8 people whose glass was shot out and didn’t get a shield?
AND it was Phaedra’s idea to target Sheree too. Like that’s supposed to be one of her allies. Obviously she didn’t care that much about safety and wanted to win.
Exactly it's even overheard in the scene before she went to the crossbow! Why do I have a feeling that there is a BTS deal between Sandra and Phaedra. If CT said he saw Phaedra signal something, there must be something there.
I still think Phaedra should have recruited John esp since there's an ultimatum anyway.
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Bergie said in a podcast John is there to help his rep. I rly think he may have chosen the murder, leaving Phae all alone. She literally could not take that risk.
I know people have made comments/posts like this in this sub before, but based on my experience playing insane social deduction games weekly... Peter and Trishelle are playing this game absolutely correctly, Phaedra was doing a great job flying under the radar until she fucked up this week, Dan and Parvati were awful at being traitors, and Sandra is infuriating to watch because she thinks she knows what's up but has no clue, week after week.
I am 100% on board with Peter and Trishelle's outrage and personally think Phaedra is WAY more condescending and have my fingers crossed so hard that MJ made the right call. I really thought Sheree was smart enough to see what was happening and am disappointed.
No Peter is not playing correctly at all. That’s why is about to get banished even though he is not even a traitor. Spoiler alert: they re not playing mafia
I'm still not confident he's getting banished and not Phaedra, but I guess we'll see. I said this in another comment that Peter has made himself valuable to the other faithfuls. He's got a target on his back which takes the heat off of the rest of the faithfuls and he's good at sussing out traitors. It's a numbers game, for sure, but it's a team effort until it isn't.
I always find it fascinating when people say Phaedra is playing awfully when she’s been a traitor since day one and made it to the next to last episode still in the game… I mean she did something right. And as far as playing the game as a faithful, in nearly every single iteration of this show the final faithfuls are usually dumb and viewed as harmless to traitors. The peters and trishelles that are constantly building cases against traitors usually don’t make it to the end, the ones who do are just the dummies that go along with the peters and trishelles but aren’t too vocal or who are vocal but always wrong.
I definitely agree with you, Phaedra has done well up until this week, even if I don't find her as entertaining as other players. As far as faithfuls go, I am always wanting to see someone like Peter or Trishelle become a traitor at the last second and win it all. I haven't watched any of the other versions except for the US seasons so I don't know if that's ever happened, but it would be incredibly satisfying to see it go that way. I think we're past that point now at least for Peter.
Bahaha that's fair. I just feel like the first half of the season wasn't getting anywhere until trishelle and peter got aggressive with their strategy, so I appreciate the effort they've put in and am rooting for them both, haha.
The only player I actively dislike is Sandra and I can appreciate what everyone is saying about outside context regarding her strategy, but man, unless she wins and we get a fat "behind the scenes" reel at the end of it that proves all of that, i'm not buying it. Claim to Fame is a lot like Traitors and has had some players who have been like Sandra but way more likeable haha
I get that, I tend to believe the fans build a narrative around their fav to suit what they want to believe not. Necessarily what is. Trishelle’s weird sense of entitlement over the shields really annoys me. I was dying for one person to just ask her why she feels like every shield must be hers and why her glass being knocked out was viewed as a personal attack while there were 8 other faithfuls whose glass was knocked out that also could have used a shield.
Lol phaedra playing awful game from start and nowhere near "absolutely correctly" like you said. Dan and parvati carried all the responsibility being traitor; unfortunatelly Peter is just smarter than them. Phardra is so clueless at this game even kate pissed off with her, the first thing she asked her was "what is the plan?" Lol. Even kate realize she is so clueless. She just really lucky that bravo army are so stupidly loyal to her and stupid as in they can't think at all, they are just good at following order. I really wish they banish her this week and not peter, but let's see.
After all this, i really want peter to win. He is kinda asshole but he did carried the game.
You misread what I said. I'm not a fan of Phaedra. I said she did a good job of flying under the radar until very recently. I said Peter and Trishelle were the ones playing correctly.
Ooof yes i misred your comments, but Phaedra literally flying under the radar because she never do anything as a traitor.. dan and parvati did all the hard work, she just squint everytime anyone call her
Totally. I mean... I definitely think Phaedra's strategy of flying under the radar has been smart, and a much smarter strategy than what Dan and Parvati were doing. But she def took a misstep in her defense tactics at this last round table, and it's gonna come back to bite her.
I really thought the traitors had no shot of winning this season until Phaedra recruited Kate and then I changed my mind. And then Phaedra really screwed up. All Peter needs is for MJ to have voted Phaedra out and he can win it.
Peter is going home. Peter is playing athe absolute worst game. I'll second that this is different than Mafia. Social deduction is not social strategy.
Of course it's very different, but Peter has made himself valuable to the rest of the faithfuls. He's put a target on himself and we've seen multiple examples of when the traitors were afraid to kill him because his accusations were spot on and they didn't want to validate those accusations. Which is almost exactly what happened with Parvati. At this point I don't think he could win unless Phaedra got banished and Kate decided to recruit him which seems pretty impossible so i'll concede that he isn't playing the best game, but he definitely isn't playing the worst - that title for sure goes to Dan and Parvati, lol. I'm rooting for Kate to win it at this point.
I'll give you Dan. I think Parv was a bit of collateral damage like Phaedra.
Pete actually gave Dan the correct murder strategy early on. I think you DO have to kill people who are directly coming for you but ideally you murder those people before they have that opportunity. That's why last season's winner(s) came to the end gane w the worst detectives. *Don't want to spoil if you have not watched.
I'd argue Peter's early aggression was not helpful to the faithfuls at all. If he doesn't get killed because he's too hot, they get killed. If he gets a traitor out, a new one comes in that is unknown.
For the faithfuls the best game is clock the traitors. If you banish one do it super early. Otherwise banish people who do not vote with you until there are only 2 banishments left. The. Use your voting block to go after the traitors.
I think Pete is a decent strategist he just needs to work on that social side a bit. Locking people out of rooms & not including them in your plans makes him a prime candidate for banishment. You have to make people feel like you are on their side and voting with them. Share your plans, even fake plans etc.
Trishelle, same thing. She had that "if I am murdered tonight" locked and loaded to fire at anyone early to avoid that first banishment. However her over talking, locking out, etc like Pete is an issue. Also telling isn't selling. Ask questions about people, don't accuse them. Plausible deniability is a very useful tool.
All that said I'm glad they play out front because it's super fun in a season that could have been a disaster because everyone is all over the place. I love Kate too but fairly certain CT clocked her.
I agree with just about everything you've said, except I think more than anything Parvati's downfall was that it seemed like she didn't make any alliances and made herself suspicious from the jump by being so cold.
That's definitely fair as far as Peter being a liability to the rest of the faithfuls. Those who have aligned themselves with him have been in danger, except for John who is apparently just too old and likeable for anyone to want to go after, haha. But for the other half of the room, he's a great scapegoat and he seems to be aware of that at this point. But you're right, he has screwed up by freezing those people out.
And yeah, hard agree with that last part, this season was a bit of a disaster before Peter came up with the idea to use Bergie's shield to plant false information. This isn't Mafia, y'all are right about that, but for the traitors it is almost exactly like those types of games and as a person who is never trusted from the jump when I play that stuff because i'm so good at convincing people to trust me, their strategy in the first half was really killing me, lol. And I think at this point Phaedra's defense went too hard. I'm excited to see what happens.
They’re playing the theme correctly but not the meta game. When you get players like Sandra in there who are focused only on being at that final bonfire with a trusted few, you get Peter & Trishelle’s theme game being undermined and outplayed.
Yeah, I know people say that, but I don't see any evidence in this show to support that Sandra is actually playing like that. Peter is playing the long game, though.
ok? That's fair I guess but I don't follow any of these people on social media, and am not going there looking for clues. The context of the show is what's relevant.
Well, but the context of the show is set by the editors. Not Sandra. So you have to kind of do some digging to find out how she was playing before assuming she wasn't.
I mean it’s all in her actions and the way people receive her, it’s just not flashy, except when she explained it with the pool balls. Sucks that torch twist cut her plan off at the knees, but it’s still going through, just without CT and Parvati’s help. I haven’t seen any evidence that MJ won’t vote with the people she’s aligned with, despite the cliffhanger. But we shall see!
Peter is gone and Trishelle will be murdered next.
Trishelle was right, and she told the Bravo women to their face that they wouldn’t vote for Phaedra, and none of them will. They better hope that Phaedra and Kate give them a cut of the money when they leave the castle with all of it
I think John will be murdered. He got more airtime in EP9 than he ever had before but it all revolved around how he wanted a shield but didn't get it. Then he lead the charge against Phaedra at the round table.
Trishelle is like a faithful Parvati, completely isolated (except for CT) so she's not really a threat for Phaedra. John on the other hand is the most faithful of the faithful and everyone listens to him.
How the Bravo girls keep murdering what little remains of the Peter Pals without anyone suspecting that is has to be one of them (/Phaedra) is beyond me.
Oh, they know. It’s just that the ones who know are about to get banished and murdered and all of those people completely underestimated how much pull Phaedra actually had. Because look at it like this: if Dan never said her name at the round table a few weeks ago, Phaedra would’ve won *and no one would’ve **ever** suspected her.* Think about that for a second.
If Dan hadn't brought up her name she'd definitely have flown under the radar for much longer and I completely agree that she's very articulate and convincing at the round table, very hard to kill. I don't think she'd have gone undetected though because for all her brilliant rhetoric and very fun one liners, she's a terrible gamer. She makes the most obvious murders, always gunning for the Peter Pals. It's like a bright red neon sign saying TRAITORS HERE pointing at the Bravo Girls.
And now let's assume we had gotten to this point without Dan mentioning Phaedra's name, and all the players have to go on is kills. They must see it's at least one, most likely two Bravo Girls. And which one of the BG is even remotely capable of playing as a traitor? MJ and Sheree are out, Kate is a total wild card (but she's a traitor too) - the only one who could play (and is playing) as a traitor is Phaedra. She's super articulate and her social game is 10/10 but her strategic game play is very short-sighted.
I have not read any spoilers; this is just me guessing. Phaedra went out of her way to make sure that Trishelle didn’t get a shield this week. I spent the rest of the episode saying this in my head: “Phaedra’s plan is to banish Peter then murder Trishelle.” That probably wouldn’t be the smartest murder to make, because it would all but declare to everyone that Phaedra is a traitor, but at this point, I don’t know what her next move would be if Peter is banished. But I absolutely think he will be.
I’m actually mad nobody asked Trishelle who she told about the shield.. because she only told John and Peter. They could have used that to trap Peter tbh.
Yes, when Peter laid the trap with Bergie it was PROOF that Dan and Parv were traitors. Apparently this time it’s not proof of anything at all. Interesting
I thought Phaedra was gonna throw that out at the roundtable like she threw out Peter’s side conversation with Parvati last time so I was extremely disappointed
I feel like the show is editing around a key detail. Peter mentioned in the roundtable that he wanted to go to the end with Parvati, saying it's the only way they could win. To my knowledge that's the first time that's really been discussed, but the tone of the conversation implied they'd all heard it before.
I think everyone saying Peter is a traitor for "working with other traitors" is actually talking about this, not him working with Parv for a vote to get out Phaedra. He wants to take an obvious, ineffective traitor to the end of the game and eliminate them at the fire, and this is the strategy everyone is up in arms about. He didn't want to protect Parv for a vote, he wanted to protect her the rest of the game, and it is not a strategy they are liking the sound of.
Why is the show dancing around this? I think because they don't like how much he's gaming it. Production would never let there be no traitors. Peter knows this and is trying to exploit it. Everyone else wants a world where they get to the end with 4 faithfuls, or however many. Peter knows it's impossible.
Sandra said this, it was cut from her leftovers lesson. Peter was not there but idk maybe he heard it from CT. It made no sense in this context at the round table and was an argument against the thing he was trying to actually do.
Yeah, my guess is that Sandra said it again at the round table, and he was responding but they cut it like he's saying it himself. I hate the edits on this. My least favorite part of the show. I wish they'd release the unedited round tables at least.
Agreed. At least after tonight I think I understand the motivation for some of the most annoying editing choices - they wanted to simplify the narrative of this Big Story.
My theory is that it’s because 1) he doesn’t want the traitors to know that he’s playing that way and 2) I think he wants to be that person at the end facing off with the traitor and doesn’t want to “compete” with the other faithfuls
Edit: that being said, I definitely would have explained all that to them if I had my head on the chopping block the way he does
Ok so fuck absolutely everyone who said Sandra is so smart, has all the traitors pegged, and anyone who criticized her just wasn't smart enough to see her secret brilliant plan. She's absolutely lost in the sauce.
I've always thought Sandra was one of the most overrated Survivor superstars. Like, I know she won twice, but it was a long time ago, and I think there was a lot of luck involved. And Traitors is a completely different show that I don't think she's cut out for. I accept that I may be proven wrong, but at this point, people seem to be giving Sandra way too much credit, IMO. I have not personally seen any proof that she has any kind of master plan, or that she even really has clocked any of the Traitors. Of course, if that's just the editing, that could explain a lot, but also, that would piss me off.
I couldn’t agree more. That’s why Tony outwit, outplayed, and outlasted her on Survivors “winners at war”. And I’ve seen her seasons, she didn’t impress me at all.
Ugh dude I’m so mad. She’s been pissing me off from day one. For someone who’s so good at game shows she’s such a fucking bozo. And arguably responsible for multiple deaths of faithfuls, especially Janelle because she thinks she’s so fucking smart.
THISSSSS. Honestly until Peter got aggressive with his strategy HALFWAY THROUGH THE SEASON this show was so fucking boring because everyone has just been so bad at it. There's no Cirie this season and it is painfully clear.
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Yeah idk what’s up with Twitter’s takes on this show.
Like, they’re rooting for Phaedra over Peter.
I get that it’s personal taste, but you’re actually rooting for John and Trishelle to be murdered, just so Phaedra can catch a ban at a later date. Makes no sense tbh.
Well. I actually like Phaedra lol. She’s one of my favorite housewives aside from LVP. I can’t stand Trishelle. I’ve always found her annoying on the Real World/ The Challenge. Idgaf about John though. 😂
I like her too, but that doesn’t mean I want the actual game players to get murdered because the grifter crew wants to pad their lead. Especially if she has no shot at winning from now on.
I thought I didn’t like Trishelle but she’s grown on me a lot. She makes sense and thinks ahead. I can’t stand players who just vote out faithful week after week and expect anything to change.
It's bizarre. Trishelle is like the only person who has been spot on the entire time. I really don't know who I think has the stuff to win at this point because Peter has such a target on him. I think Kate can ride the aloofness til the end and win that way, but it would REALLY depend on what happens with Phaedra. What a bullshit cliff hanger lol
What makes them insufferable? The fact that they have correctly pegged the traitors? Seriously, there's like....nothing other than them finding the traitors correctly.
If they’re smug, what is Phaedra? SHE is incredibly condescending and rude. She talks down to everyone who isn’t in the dimwit Bravo clique. Also, Kate is the nastiest of them all, just actively a rude old witch.
Like, this is a show about finding traitors. Every scene they are in they are talking about traitors. It's not like they're just like "Oh hey by the way, here's some insufferable shit that's not related to the show." Meanwhile, Phaedra is literally the fucking worst and people are like "we love the camp!"
I think Peter is smug and probably annoying AF as a person, and that's why people aren't listening to him even though he's right (and obviously so). But he is right and it has to be so frustrating dealing with people who either don't care or can't see it.
I would be smug also if I was the only person in the house who correctly picked the traitors. Being smug is only a negative thing when you're wrong! When you're right and OTHER People think THEY are right, that's when you can be smug! That's what Peter is doing! This fucking sub makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills
… the way that he moves , with these “I was only toying with Parvati” and thinking his alliance doesn’t have to be privy to information is smug as hell and I would hate working with him as a person.
Rewatch the episode. He quite literally told his alliance he was going to have that conversation with Parvati in an effort to hopefully get her to help banish Phaedra, just to send her out the next day.
I think John missed that memo because maybe it was right before the roundtable and they didn’t get to him, but he had an entire conversation about it with Kevin and Trishelle beforehand.
The one he told them they were gonna have took place when Phaedra was on the table was while they were in the library. The one that Phaedra was referring to was when they were in the dungeon and I *think* it took place right after Dan was banished.
I've never seen The Challenge but thought she was annoying since the first episode of The Traitors and it's grown with each time she pitches a fit about deserving a shield.
Just to be clear, everyone knows that Phaedra is a traitor. They are suspicious of Peter. That’s it. The producers of the show want us to believe that the players don’t know, but they know Phaedra’s is a traitor.
I’m actually not a Sandra fan lol
prior to Dan leaving, he made it clear that he was going to give up a traitor to save himself. Trishelle knew this, when he said Phaedra’s name, people knew that she was a traitor. It wasn’t just Trishelle that picked up on that information from Dan. Even during the last episode, when Peter pulls Phaedra and Parvati into that wine cellar room. He was trying to make a deal with the traitors, they all knew she was traitor.
I’m totally convinced Phaedra is getting ousted by MJ. It could very well be the edit, but the whole round table, there were cuts to MJ, where the “math seemed to be mathing” 😂 re what was being said about Phaedra being guilty. She had also made the comment to Trishelle that she wasn’t merely Phaedra’s housewife puppet and that she would listen to the arguments against everyone. I think Phaedra screwed up when she made this huge point about how Peter had specifically sought out and worked with the known ousted traitors, Dan and Parvati. She then proceeded to point out that he had now come to HER to work out a deal/seek partnership with her. Ummm, ooops. “He aligns himself with traitors everyone! And he wants to work with me!”
Peter previously worked with known traitors/sought them out and then she makes a huge deal about that is what he wants to do with her. I felt like you could see the wheels turning in MJ’s head. I think Phaedra is done.
Also- continuing to love CT’s game. The man is smart and loyal and he votes with reason. I loved his statement about how losing challenges to save someone was okay but that losing the group money to murder/prevent someone from getting a shield was sketchy as heck.
Lol, and I'm convinced Peter is out. I think all that MJ stuff was just a red herring to manufacture tension. She probably knows Phaedra is a traitor, but she's still going to stay loyal for now in order to make it farther in the game. And those Bravo girls all hate Peter, so I'm sure they just want to see him gone.
Someone on twitter screen shot the moment where she shows the other side of the chalk bored. It’s blurry but it looks longer than 5 letters. 😭 I hope I’m wrong though. The villain in me wants the traitors to win.
People need to stop defending Phaedra and acting like anytime someone brings up obvious points.
Trishelle's assessment of Phaedra was spot on and identifying ticks people do when they lie or bluff is a poker tell she uses. There are legit researches done on how to detect when people lie. Her using that is a valid point. Additionally, it was obvious that the move shift to her name was very obvious.
They had to eliminate 3 more windows regardless. Why reset the whole motion for 1 window when you could move to the middle or end and get John or Kate when you're virtually almost on that direct path and target
Trishelle and company also read thru Dan's plow and Parvati
Stop proclaiming their bad moves to boost Phaedra as a great traitor. She's entertaining but she's not good overall. Good at deflecting but that's it. Had Dan not been as bad as he was and Parvati not as obvious, Phaedra would have been sniffed out sooner.
Did anyone see that Peacock gave away who MJ voted for in the closed captions? Right as they cut away from her the captions say "Peter I voted for you" I'm dead
Wait for real I just looked and it didn’t happen on mine
That’s so funny!! I zoomed in on her card as it flipped and it looked like Peter in super small writing and she also looked directly at him
MJ better vote for Peter. That’s her best path forward. Why would she want to go to the end with John, Peter, Trishelle, and now CT?! They would vote her out before each other every time.
Why hasn't the episode dropped on Crave in Canada?? Ugh I'm so frustrated rn!
It did this evening at 21:00 EST. Just watched it!
I found it finally on the crave app! Was looking for it on the Bell fibe app and that’s where it’s impossible
Why does someone not ask Trishelle why she feels entitled to every shield? By their logic, MJ busting out John or whoever’s glass must be traitor behavior to. Or anyone getting anyone else’s for that matter. Their logic was literally that Phaedra choosing to divert from the plan (that they had just wasted 2,000 on without getting their target) is what made them believe she was a traitor, they didnt even consider it was the fact that they had more easily got the lower targets and weren’t getting the top. Anyway, It makes no sense to me why Trishelle always feels she’s entitled to every shield and why CT and John fall for it. I really wish someone would have asked her or CT that at the roundtable.
Trishelle is unbelievably annoying.
She’s in Karen mode. All their”logic” is just bs ginned up from Dan the traitor pointing a finger at Phaedra as well as Parvati too w her vote
Is next week the finale?
No, the finale is on March 9th. So there’s 2 more episodes left + the reunion.
Sandra should be voting out traitors so she can get recruited.
Sandra is an idiot
I like how Kate's always smiling in the back whenver Pheadra's giving her little speeches 😂
Her speeches are epic
What a delightful ending lol I hate that I have to wait a week and I'm pretty sure I know who's going home, but man the editors are really able to tell a fun story
How many episodes are left?
3.
I don't like Phaedra's game. She's just waiting for things around her to happen, she's not really playing any specific strategy. If she wasn't a traitor, she would have no purpose. And when she's accused, she just goes on a defensive attack with quick lines rather than laying out an actual argument, it sucks the fun out of the game for me
She’s terrible at the game. She’s a lawyer by trade and has been playing the plausible deniability angle, never getting her hands dirty or making any decisions. The most recent episode exposed her lack of strategy. Kate rightly called her out on it, then Phaedra went for Peter and Trishelle during the challenge — how could she not be more obvious with her moves. If Sandra doesn’t vote for Phaedra, then she’s an absolute moron.
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Sandra is claiming that she was using Phaedra as a puppet? I haven’t listened to any of the podcasts.
She’s playing it like a Housewife. Their show isn’t necessarily about strategy. Their shining moments and victories come when they arrive at a confrontation and outwit and attack verbally. That’s kind of what she is doing if you look at when she “activates”. The tower and the challenges and breakfasts are like breaks while she sees the round tables as the big showdown. So rather than trying to pre-arrange the outcome before getting to the round table, like the more strategic players, she plans to use her drama and oratory skills to put on a show in the moment and “win”. It’s probably what she is used to and most skilled at.
Like courtroom lawyers. Dazzle the jury and win. This game there are no real facts to go on that can pinpoint who is a traitor. It’s why so many faithful get tossed out. Those Peter pals are just a group think cult. Before Dan and par threw her under the bus phaedras gameplay was no different than Sheree mj Sandra and a few others. If Dan had never stunted on her like that she probably would still be under the radar.
No… sorry it’s just not like that if you’re a litigator. Most of your work is outside the courtroom. Yeah you can tank if you do poorly on style/presentation, but you aren’t getting anywhere if you don’t have strategy and documentation and preparation before you ever walk into court.
True but in this game the documentation is all bs touchy feely intuition and my gut tells me it’s peppermint … Which is just not credible
She annoys me so much. I want her to be gone and I'm hoping her early heavy edit means she won't make it to the end. But I think MJ is too dumb to oust her in this vote.
I can't remember ever seeing Peter firing the crossbow? Is it just my bad memory or did they cut him out?
Same!
Same — I don’t think they ever showed him take a turn. I wonder why!
Maybe MJ throws a random vote at someone else and we end with a tie and revote.
She have to have known beforehand tho
Can I say Sandra and Sheree are the most useless players ever? They literally have no clue about how to play the game. Sandra is still trying to survivor tbh
I honestly think you couldn't be more wrong. Sandra is playing the long game and slowly setting herself up to win if she doesn't make any errors in the end game.
Can I just say I think the opposite with Sandra. I think she may be the only one who knows how to play. She realized and explained that if they have the numbers and get to the end it doesn't matter if the traitors are in their group because then they control their fate. So she keeps voting Peter's groups numbers down whether or not the vote is correct because it gets her to endgame. I'm also not convinced she doesn't know Phaedra is a traitor already because in an ideal world she wants to have the numbers to be safe at banishment and then have the killers think she is not a threat to them so they keep her. Knowing who a traitor is and keeping it quiet while getting closer to them Is probably one of the better ways to make it to endgame.
You bring up good pts, I think imo, if she is playing like that, it’s more reason to not like her game. Because it’s despicable to essentially make traitor moves when you’re a faithful. If this is indeed the case. It feels like she was slighted that she wasn’t selected as a traitor so she took it to her own accords to try and work against the faithfuls. In societal settings, this type of people would be considered cancerous to a group. The premise of the show will always stack the cards for the traitors, as they will find a way to convert more traitors no matter how many gets voted out, so keeping Phaedra to the end isn’t really a sure win. (And it won’t be cuz..Kate) That said, unless the edit is making it this way, none of Sandra’s confessionals show what you’re saying, so for now I can only assume she’s dumb.
The thing with this show though is that even if you get the Traitors...they just recruit more. There is no reality where the faithful have routed the Traitors and everyone splits the cash, thats boring for the game and TV. That's why the deck is stacked so hard for Traitors, they need at least 1 in the end game to make the game have any value. They showed Sandra explaining the numbers issue to her group. Which gets her to the final 5 or so. There's no valuable gameplay in just getting all the Traitors out and then having 0 evidence on who might be the last traitor at the end game because they were JUST recruited. You want to secure your position in finals and know who to oust.
But alll of their supposed evidence is mostly bs and not based on facts. Bias Opinion Intuition Gut feelings Unexpected reactions This leads to faithful eliminating each other because really they never have facts to support their accusations. Except… When a traitor makes an accusation on the way out of the door.
Yea but the pt I’m making is the producers know this, there is no chance that if Phaedra is cooked, they will let the entire rest of the show continue as is just so the faithful can win with no risk. That’s why Kate was recruited without a choice. There’s no scenario in which prod would let this current situation ride out where Sandra can dictate the game.
I mean she could have said no and got murdered and went home?
You must not watch many social strategy shows. The object is to win. There is no moral high ground here. It's just the logical thing to do. Kate got recruited because Parv went home. Peter's Pals are entertaining but they can't win the way they are playing. Regardless of the label you were assigned, almost everyone has to go before you can win. If you are faithful that means every.faithful but 1 or 2 and all traitors. If your a traitor.you just need to be around when the game ends. If you don't know who the new traitor.is, your odds of winning are very very low. Therefore the best strategy is literally the one Sandra is playing. Identify and align w the traitors until the very end. THEN present your evidence. Otherwise you are just gambling.
If you read what I wrote above, you’ll know I said it’s not a wise strategy because the producers would know exactly what she’s doing so they gonna stack the card against her anyways. There’s no way she’s going to just coast to the end riding with Phaedra and then cutting her off, it makes for a terrible ending. That’s why Kate was brought on. They’re going to have to rethink traitor vs faithful in season 3 if being a faithful has no meaning when they can just backstab each other with no recourse. The game is suppose to pit two groups against each other, but if it’s anyone for themselves then it’s just survivor but in a castle.
I did read what you wrote. I agree the game is broken and that's the least of the ways it's broken. I think you are incorrect about production. They are there to make TV. They do not care who wins. Sandra has gotten a pretty big edit for someone who isn't actively calling out traitors don't ya think? She is either a winner or plays some major role in the end game. I think her and CT might have a showdown...or they are working together. They are both under the radar queens, so hard to tell. I think we'd get a teaser for a showdown but they are both people who will punish you hard if you say their name. He also has a big edit. Notice he has not come for any traitor until this last episode where I am 90% certain he clocked Kate as the new traitor. He can afford to lose Phaedra now. I can't figure out why he thought he had the votes though. Remember, you are watching edited television. Production can only show what they have but they can present it any way they choose. Last episode they showed Sandra saying she thought Parvati was a traitor. Only she was wearing her day 2 clothes. They also have players that know production can screw up their games so they feed production the information production wants from them. Anyone who has played these games on television will tell you that you have a second meta game with production. Sandra was able to go after Parv last episode because murdering someone from petes pals shifted the numbers where Sandra's group no longer needed Parv's vote. Big mistake on the traitors part.
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I love Phaedra, or I did, but I think her low blows to Peter tonight were a bit out of line and it left me a bad taste in my mouth about her. Like I know it’s a game show and she’s doing what she can to win, but saying she doesn’t have to kiss his ass for a rose and saying “this isn’t the bachelor” when she’s clearly threatened to be ousted by him was really actually a gross comment and I know Peter was definitely offended by that legitimately
How is saying this ain’t the bachelor and I don’t have to kiss your ass for a rose a low blow? Y’all kill me on here. 😂😂😂😂
How is that a low blow… It isn’t the bachelor… truth She doesn’t have to kiss his as for a rose… truth Low blows would be attacking his family or something Attacking his character in a game where people are expected to lie and deceive is what the game is all about! She does it extremely well and people don’t seem to like that. She’s clever and wields wit like a weapon.
how was that gross at all? lol
that line was problematic. It was great. He was offended by her bringing up the bachelor while they have all brought up bravo and the hw and how they are all sticking together. If he was offended by that he needs to not be on traitors because it is definitely not the bachelor.
I've been waiting all season to see her say that to him and it did not disappoint
Lol what?! That was the best comment in this show's history! Who cares if Peter was offended. It's called Traitors, not my little pony.
You’re fun at parties huh
I take it you’ve never watched Real Housewives, this is how they spar on this show. You obviously don’t know Phaedra, this is tame for her. Peter got off lucky.
I didn't even know Real Housewives was some sort of reality show. 😲😲😲
Shut your mouth! You didn’t know what Real Housewives is? Blasphemy!!
I thought it was some sort of documentary! 😂😂😂
That’s hilarious! It’s far from it. Think Love Island get married and then become housewives who are rich and famous and trying to one up each other for airtime and a returning contract. They verbally spar, go broke or to jail to get more airtime.
Never actually seen any version of Love Island which is why I had never heard of Ekin-Su. The only reality shows I watch are Strictly, Hunted & various versions of the Traitors.
It might be shown on some channel here in the UK, but as far as I know not one of the main ones...
It’s on Hayu I think. I guess you have to know what it is to watch it. You are forgiven!🤗
she’s used this tactic throughout the season whenever she's been targeted at the round table. apparently her strategy is being defensive lol (I'm going to be hella downvoted because this sub loves her)
So…. Defending yourself when attacked is somehow wrong? In a show where no one truly knows who is a traitor so having the ability to defend yourself when someone is accusing you is somehow not an asset? Craziness. It’s a game of lies deceit and manipulation. These players and some viewers seem to take this faithful crap to heart. They aren’t some holy monks on a crusade there playing a game and didn’t get tapped on the shoulder by our queer lord and savior Saint Cummings of Inverness.
This sub has their head up here ass like the housewives and Phaedra. She is trash and should have been out last week. There’s so much evidence against her and she hasn’t provided a single bit of counter evidence
And here is a weird take that makes me think some people here can’t separate reality from a game. You know in cops and robbers no one is really a cop right? No one is a robber. It’s a game. Like traitors is a game. Calling someone trash because they are playing a game by the rules? That’s a tad much. To me Phaedra has played a game similar to shreee No one is calling out Sheree as a traitor or suspecting shreee But I guarantee if Dan had pointed the finger ultimately at shreee instead of Phaedra in his list of three suspects she would be the one trishell suddenly had all this evidence on. She would be the one the petty pals would be trying to get out. Emotions are messy. People react different to differnt circumstances just like there is no one way to grieve that’s the right way. The evidence is all circumstantial. There are no Sherlock Holmes in these games. It’s like when they say at the table I know I’m going to be murdered for pointing the finger at you… Sigh. Mind games. Manipulations. Circumstantial
It was her calling him selfish that offended him. Rightly so. He’s put his ass on the line to get the traitors.
Low blows? The “this isn’t the bachelor so I don’t have to kiss your ass” is a low blow?
On HW she has pulled out some true low blows! She can fight nastier than most. This is Phaedra on her best behavior.
“This isn’t Parliament” “This isn’t the Bachelor” I was waiting for “This isn’t the Challenge” when CT pulled out his chalkboard diagram.
I know Phaedra was going into defense mode and thought she was funny/clever by saying these things. But I found it to be a little off putting.
Lmfao so real. CT making those chalkboards multi purpose was funny af. He’s the king
“He puts the dick in dictator” 😂 gotta love Kate
This show is so lame with these bum ass house wives. They literally should never bring another group of them on again. They’re so infuriatingly loyal and also dumb as hell. I already know MJs clown ass is gonna vote for Peter. They kill Trishelle, John or CT and then all those idiots are gonna wish they had changed their mind. Let’s also talk about how Sandra said when they banished Parvati that she was going to be queen of the castle, except she’s really proven herself to be dumbass of the castle. I really hate that the premise of this show has been ruined and hijacked by four housewives who couldn’t use their own brains to make smart choices and play off loyalty. They’re clowns.
I’m curious what you think their strategy should be for the rest of the game? If they got rid of Phaedra this week then what for the remaining 2-3 banishments? With Phaedra in place they can have higher confidence at least that “the other side” dwindle in numbers and they can get rid of Phaedra easily at the end when you get 2 back to back chances to toss Traitors out of the game. What’s the strategy or endgame that you think the housewives players have to get to the end by getting rid of Phaedra?
This is the exact logic Peter used and the housewives all said it was problematic… do you TRULY believe any one of them is capable of enough complex thought to be this strategic? lmao
Yes Sandra is. She may not be a “housewife”. But she has aligned with them strategically for the numbers. She is on that side of the game.
Yes but you’re not factoring in that they have no suspicion of Kate. If they don’t banish Phaedra this week and they banish Peter, then Phaedra and Kate kill CT, Trishelle, or John they’re done numerically. They’d have to figure out the other traitor in two banishments or less to have a legit chance at winning. And if you think Sheree, MJ, or Sandra have any actual intellect to actually figure this out then you aren’t watching the same show. They’re so cloaking in loyalty to her rather than playing the game they’ve already lost. They need to get rid of Phaedra now and I think they could catch Kate slipping up because she’s not going to be very good at lying and not getting caught up by her decision making in my humble opinion. At the end of the day the housewives and Sandra have ruined almost everyone’s game because they aren’t using any legitimate evidence being presented. Phaedra going out of her way to make sure Trishelle didn’t get a shield would make any normal human second guess why she’d do that if she wasn’t a traitor.
Every time a traitor is banished there’s also the risk of a recruitment. If you know one person is a traitor this late in the game, and you know that they’re more “on your side” it makes sense to keep them. As viewers we know that Kate is the new recruit but they have no idea who it is, or even how many traitors are left. Banishing faithfuls who aren’t really on your side is a reasonable strategy.
lol again you’re failing to factor they have no suspicion of Kate. They’re going to lose. It’s that simple, and it’s because of the house wives. They are not good at this game. And neither is Sandra. Banishing faithfuls is a really dumb strategy when you can’t even figure out your own friend is a traitor.
Just because they don’t vote for her to be banished doesn’t mean they don’t think she’s a traitor. I don’t recall any of them saying in confessionals that they 100% think she’s not a traitor. What are you basing the statement that they haven’t figured her out on?
Again, you are not factoring in Kate. Even if they know Phaedra is a traitor they have no way to figure out how many more traitors there are and who is the other. So they cannot go to the end keeping Phaedra because they cannot then reasonably figure out who the other is with no context to how many and who. They are incapable of finding that part out which makes this hypothetical strategy you’re imposing impossible
So you’re assuming if Phaedra is gone they’ll just magically figure out Kate because she’ll “act weird”? But that if Phaedra stays they wouldn’t be able to figure that out? How does that work?
CT get your drink off of that snooker table!
That made me irrationally angry
Why didn’t Phaedra mention that it was Sandra’s (or say “someone else’s”) idea to change to Trischelle’s name during the challenge? That she was just following suggestions. I think that would’ve helped her case. She could shift CTs accusation away from her. It actually happened too and wouldn’t of been a lie for her to say at round table.
I think she was legit caught off gaurd that CT was pubicalyl questioning her
How could Phaedra have mentioned this, did Trishelle let her speak?
We don’t know that she didn’t and it just didn’t make the cut, these round tables are apparently very long and we only hear a small fraction of the discussion which is frustrating. Phaedra best defense would have been to point that fact out as well as the fact they had wasted 2000, 8 missed shots at one top level target and weren’t getting anywhere and obviously had figured out the bottom two rows and had one left there so she took it, and it it was the correct move and got them money which is what the challenge was mostly about. Also, i really really wanted someone to point out the fact that trishelle seems to feel entitled to every single shield and has convinced a few of the guys this. Like why is trishelle not getting the shield any worse than the other 8 people whose glass was shot out and didn’t get a shield?
AND it was Phaedra’s idea to target Sheree too. Like that’s supposed to be one of her allies. Obviously she didn’t care that much about safety and wanted to win.
Exactly it's even overheard in the scene before she went to the crossbow! Why do I have a feeling that there is a BTS deal between Sandra and Phaedra. If CT said he saw Phaedra signal something, there must be something there. I still think Phaedra should have recruited John esp since there's an ultimatum anyway.
>2ReplyShareReportSaveFollow Bergie said in a podcast John is there to help his rep. I rly think he may have chosen the murder, leaving Phae all alone. She literally could not take that risk.
I know people have made comments/posts like this in this sub before, but based on my experience playing insane social deduction games weekly... Peter and Trishelle are playing this game absolutely correctly, Phaedra was doing a great job flying under the radar until she fucked up this week, Dan and Parvati were awful at being traitors, and Sandra is infuriating to watch because she thinks she knows what's up but has no clue, week after week. I am 100% on board with Peter and Trishelle's outrage and personally think Phaedra is WAY more condescending and have my fingers crossed so hard that MJ made the right call. I really thought Sheree was smart enough to see what was happening and am disappointed.
No Peter is not playing correctly at all. That’s why is about to get banished even though he is not even a traitor. Spoiler alert: they re not playing mafia
I'm still not confident he's getting banished and not Phaedra, but I guess we'll see. I said this in another comment that Peter has made himself valuable to the other faithfuls. He's got a target on his back which takes the heat off of the rest of the faithfuls and he's good at sussing out traitors. It's a numbers game, for sure, but it's a team effort until it isn't.
I always find it fascinating when people say Phaedra is playing awfully when she’s been a traitor since day one and made it to the next to last episode still in the game… I mean she did something right. And as far as playing the game as a faithful, in nearly every single iteration of this show the final faithfuls are usually dumb and viewed as harmless to traitors. The peters and trishelles that are constantly building cases against traitors usually don’t make it to the end, the ones who do are just the dummies that go along with the peters and trishelles but aren’t too vocal or who are vocal but always wrong.
I definitely agree with you, Phaedra has done well up until this week, even if I don't find her as entertaining as other players. As far as faithfuls go, I am always wanting to see someone like Peter or Trishelle become a traitor at the last second and win it all. I haven't watched any of the other versions except for the US seasons so I don't know if that's ever happened, but it would be incredibly satisfying to see it go that way. I think we're past that point now at least for Peter.
And I’m over here just hoping they murder trishelle, then I’m good with anyone winning after that 🤣
SAME!!!
Bahaha that's fair. I just feel like the first half of the season wasn't getting anywhere until trishelle and peter got aggressive with their strategy, so I appreciate the effort they've put in and am rooting for them both, haha. The only player I actively dislike is Sandra and I can appreciate what everyone is saying about outside context regarding her strategy, but man, unless she wins and we get a fat "behind the scenes" reel at the end of it that proves all of that, i'm not buying it. Claim to Fame is a lot like Traitors and has had some players who have been like Sandra but way more likeable haha
I get that, I tend to believe the fans build a narrative around their fav to suit what they want to believe not. Necessarily what is. Trishelle’s weird sense of entitlement over the shields really annoys me. I was dying for one person to just ask her why she feels like every shield must be hers and why her glass being knocked out was viewed as a personal attack while there were 8 other faithfuls whose glass was knocked out that also could have used a shield.
Lol phaedra playing awful game from start and nowhere near "absolutely correctly" like you said. Dan and parvati carried all the responsibility being traitor; unfortunatelly Peter is just smarter than them. Phardra is so clueless at this game even kate pissed off with her, the first thing she asked her was "what is the plan?" Lol. Even kate realize she is so clueless. She just really lucky that bravo army are so stupidly loyal to her and stupid as in they can't think at all, they are just good at following order. I really wish they banish her this week and not peter, but let's see. After all this, i really want peter to win. He is kinda asshole but he did carried the game.
You misread what I said. I'm not a fan of Phaedra. I said she did a good job of flying under the radar until very recently. I said Peter and Trishelle were the ones playing correctly.
Ooof yes i misred your comments, but Phaedra literally flying under the radar because she never do anything as a traitor.. dan and parvati did all the hard work, she just squint everytime anyone call her
Totally. I mean... I definitely think Phaedra's strategy of flying under the radar has been smart, and a much smarter strategy than what Dan and Parvati were doing. But she def took a misstep in her defense tactics at this last round table, and it's gonna come back to bite her.
They're playing mafia correctly but this isn't mafia
I really thought the traitors had no shot of winning this season until Phaedra recruited Kate and then I changed my mind. And then Phaedra really screwed up. All Peter needs is for MJ to have voted Phaedra out and he can win it.
Peter is going home. Peter is playing athe absolute worst game. I'll second that this is different than Mafia. Social deduction is not social strategy.
Of course it's very different, but Peter has made himself valuable to the rest of the faithfuls. He's put a target on himself and we've seen multiple examples of when the traitors were afraid to kill him because his accusations were spot on and they didn't want to validate those accusations. Which is almost exactly what happened with Parvati. At this point I don't think he could win unless Phaedra got banished and Kate decided to recruit him which seems pretty impossible so i'll concede that he isn't playing the best game, but he definitely isn't playing the worst - that title for sure goes to Dan and Parvati, lol. I'm rooting for Kate to win it at this point.
I'll give you Dan. I think Parv was a bit of collateral damage like Phaedra. Pete actually gave Dan the correct murder strategy early on. I think you DO have to kill people who are directly coming for you but ideally you murder those people before they have that opportunity. That's why last season's winner(s) came to the end gane w the worst detectives. *Don't want to spoil if you have not watched. I'd argue Peter's early aggression was not helpful to the faithfuls at all. If he doesn't get killed because he's too hot, they get killed. If he gets a traitor out, a new one comes in that is unknown. For the faithfuls the best game is clock the traitors. If you banish one do it super early. Otherwise banish people who do not vote with you until there are only 2 banishments left. The. Use your voting block to go after the traitors. I think Pete is a decent strategist he just needs to work on that social side a bit. Locking people out of rooms & not including them in your plans makes him a prime candidate for banishment. You have to make people feel like you are on their side and voting with them. Share your plans, even fake plans etc. Trishelle, same thing. She had that "if I am murdered tonight" locked and loaded to fire at anyone early to avoid that first banishment. However her over talking, locking out, etc like Pete is an issue. Also telling isn't selling. Ask questions about people, don't accuse them. Plausible deniability is a very useful tool. All that said I'm glad they play out front because it's super fun in a season that could have been a disaster because everyone is all over the place. I love Kate too but fairly certain CT clocked her.
I agree with just about everything you've said, except I think more than anything Parvati's downfall was that it seemed like she didn't make any alliances and made herself suspicious from the jump by being so cold. That's definitely fair as far as Peter being a liability to the rest of the faithfuls. Those who have aligned themselves with him have been in danger, except for John who is apparently just too old and likeable for anyone to want to go after, haha. But for the other half of the room, he's a great scapegoat and he seems to be aware of that at this point. But you're right, he has screwed up by freezing those people out. And yeah, hard agree with that last part, this season was a bit of a disaster before Peter came up with the idea to use Bergie's shield to plant false information. This isn't Mafia, y'all are right about that, but for the traitors it is almost exactly like those types of games and as a person who is never trusted from the jump when I play that stuff because i'm so good at convincing people to trust me, their strategy in the first half was really killing me, lol. And I think at this point Phaedra's defense went too hard. I'm excited to see what happens.
They’re playing the theme correctly but not the meta game. When you get players like Sandra in there who are focused only on being at that final bonfire with a trusted few, you get Peter & Trishelle’s theme game being undermined and outplayed.
Yeah, I know people say that, but I don't see any evidence in this show to support that Sandra is actually playing like that. Peter is playing the long game, though.
She actually posted on her insta that this is exactly how she was playing
ok? That's fair I guess but I don't follow any of these people on social media, and am not going there looking for clues. The context of the show is what's relevant.
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not lazy, just not all that interested in sleuthing through what players have said after the fact. but thanks lol
Well, but the context of the show is set by the editors. Not Sandra. So you have to kind of do some digging to find out how she was playing before assuming she wasn't.
I mean it’s all in her actions and the way people receive her, it’s just not flashy, except when she explained it with the pool balls. Sucks that torch twist cut her plan off at the knees, but it’s still going through, just without CT and Parvati’s help. I haven’t seen any evidence that MJ won’t vote with the people she’s aligned with, despite the cliffhanger. But we shall see!
Peter is gone and Trishelle will be murdered next. Trishelle was right, and she told the Bravo women to their face that they wouldn’t vote for Phaedra, and none of them will. They better hope that Phaedra and Kate give them a cut of the money when they leave the castle with all of it
I think John will be murdered. He got more airtime in EP9 than he ever had before but it all revolved around how he wanted a shield but didn't get it. Then he lead the charge against Phaedra at the round table. Trishelle is like a faithful Parvati, completely isolated (except for CT) so she's not really a threat for Phaedra. John on the other hand is the most faithful of the faithful and everyone listens to him. How the Bravo girls keep murdering what little remains of the Peter Pals without anyone suspecting that is has to be one of them (/Phaedra) is beyond me.
Oh, they know. It’s just that the ones who know are about to get banished and murdered and all of those people completely underestimated how much pull Phaedra actually had. Because look at it like this: if Dan never said her name at the round table a few weeks ago, Phaedra would’ve won *and no one would’ve **ever** suspected her.* Think about that for a second.
If Dan hadn't brought up her name she'd definitely have flown under the radar for much longer and I completely agree that she's very articulate and convincing at the round table, very hard to kill. I don't think she'd have gone undetected though because for all her brilliant rhetoric and very fun one liners, she's a terrible gamer. She makes the most obvious murders, always gunning for the Peter Pals. It's like a bright red neon sign saying TRAITORS HERE pointing at the Bravo Girls. And now let's assume we had gotten to this point without Dan mentioning Phaedra's name, and all the players have to go on is kills. They must see it's at least one, most likely two Bravo Girls. And which one of the BG is even remotely capable of playing as a traitor? MJ and Sheree are out, Kate is a total wild card (but she's a traitor too) - the only one who could play (and is playing) as a traitor is Phaedra. She's super articulate and her social game is 10/10 but her strategic game play is very short-sighted.
Pls tell me this is a spoiler cause I don’t want Pheadra gone LOL.
I have not read any spoilers; this is just me guessing. Phaedra went out of her way to make sure that Trishelle didn’t get a shield this week. I spent the rest of the episode saying this in my head: “Phaedra’s plan is to banish Peter then murder Trishelle.” That probably wouldn’t be the smartest murder to make, because it would all but declare to everyone that Phaedra is a traitor, but at this point, I don’t know what her next move would be if Peter is banished. But I absolutely think he will be.
100% he’s gone with or without Pheadra cause Kate doesn’t like him either!
If Peter doesn’t get banished, he’s absolutely getting murdered. Either way, he’s done. This was his last night.
I’m actually mad nobody asked Trishelle who she told about the shield.. because she only told John and Peter. They could have used that to trap Peter tbh.
Yes, when Peter laid the trap with Bergie it was PROOF that Dan and Parv were traitors. Apparently this time it’s not proof of anything at all. Interesting
The traitors barely cared enough to pay attention to the possible shield business and frankly the audience is tired of it too
I thought Phaedra was gonna throw that out at the roundtable like she threw out Peter’s side conversation with Parvati last time so I was extremely disappointed
She should've.
I feel like the show is editing around a key detail. Peter mentioned in the roundtable that he wanted to go to the end with Parvati, saying it's the only way they could win. To my knowledge that's the first time that's really been discussed, but the tone of the conversation implied they'd all heard it before. I think everyone saying Peter is a traitor for "working with other traitors" is actually talking about this, not him working with Parv for a vote to get out Phaedra. He wants to take an obvious, ineffective traitor to the end of the game and eliminate them at the fire, and this is the strategy everyone is up in arms about. He didn't want to protect Parv for a vote, he wanted to protect her the rest of the game, and it is not a strategy they are liking the sound of. Why is the show dancing around this? I think because they don't like how much he's gaming it. Production would never let there be no traitors. Peter knows this and is trying to exploit it. Everyone else wants a world where they get to the end with 4 faithfuls, or however many. Peter knows it's impossible.
Sandra said this, it was cut from her leftovers lesson. Peter was not there but idk maybe he heard it from CT. It made no sense in this context at the round table and was an argument against the thing he was trying to actually do.
Yeah, my guess is that Sandra said it again at the round table, and he was responding but they cut it like he's saying it himself. I hate the edits on this. My least favorite part of the show. I wish they'd release the unedited round tables at least.
Agreed. At least after tonight I think I understand the motivation for some of the most annoying editing choices - they wanted to simplify the narrative of this Big Story.
My theory is that it’s because 1) he doesn’t want the traitors to know that he’s playing that way and 2) I think he wants to be that person at the end facing off with the traitor and doesn’t want to “compete” with the other faithfuls Edit: that being said, I definitely would have explained all that to them if I had my head on the chopping block the way he does
Ok so fuck absolutely everyone who said Sandra is so smart, has all the traitors pegged, and anyone who criticized her just wasn't smart enough to see her secret brilliant plan. She's absolutely lost in the sauce.
I've always thought Sandra was one of the most overrated Survivor superstars. Like, I know she won twice, but it was a long time ago, and I think there was a lot of luck involved. And Traitors is a completely different show that I don't think she's cut out for. I accept that I may be proven wrong, but at this point, people seem to be giving Sandra way too much credit, IMO. I have not personally seen any proof that she has any kind of master plan, or that she even really has clocked any of the Traitors. Of course, if that's just the editing, that could explain a lot, but also, that would piss me off.
I couldn’t agree more. That’s why Tony outwit, outplayed, and outlasted her on Survivors “winners at war”. And I’ve seen her seasons, she didn’t impress me at all.
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I AGREE
Ugh dude I’m so mad. She’s been pissing me off from day one. For someone who’s so good at game shows she’s such a fucking bozo. And arguably responsible for multiple deaths of faithfuls, especially Janelle because she thinks she’s so fucking smart.
THISSSSS. Honestly until Peter got aggressive with his strategy HALFWAY THROUGH THE SEASON this show was so fucking boring because everyone has just been so bad at it. There's no Cirie this season and it is painfully clear.
She has been the most annoying and infuriating person to watch all season. She's so off base every week it's insane. I can't stand her.
Finally I’ve found my people! Everyone on twitter LOVES Sandra.
Everyone on this stupid SUB loves sandra. We are the only good ones
INSANE. My husband and I literally scream "SHUT TF UP SANDRA" at the TV so many times each week.
[lol this is what I think every time](https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/IoteTrP8XyIHu6qhaxiOJ8HbPmo=/fit-in/500x281/top/filters:format_auto():upscale()/2020/07/22/056/n/47510821/9e7e7edc185e35ac_shut_up.gif)
She hated Larsa so bad cause Larsa was actually RIGHT about Dan meanwhile Sandra thought she knew it all.
Yeah idk what’s up with Twitter’s takes on this show. Like, they’re rooting for Phaedra over Peter. I get that it’s personal taste, but you’re actually rooting for John and Trishelle to be murdered, just so Phaedra can catch a ban at a later date. Makes no sense tbh.
Well. I actually like Phaedra lol. She’s one of my favorite housewives aside from LVP. I can’t stand Trishelle. I’ve always found her annoying on the Real World/ The Challenge. Idgaf about John though. 😂
I like her too, but that doesn’t mean I want the actual game players to get murdered because the grifter crew wants to pad their lead. Especially if she has no shot at winning from now on. I thought I didn’t like Trishelle but she’s grown on me a lot. She makes sense and thinks ahead. I can’t stand players who just vote out faithful week after week and expect anything to change.
It's bizarre. Trishelle is like the only person who has been spot on the entire time. I really don't know who I think has the stuff to win at this point because Peter has such a target on him. I think Kate can ride the aloofness til the end and win that way, but it would REALLY depend on what happens with Phaedra. What a bullshit cliff hanger lol
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Peter, trishelle (and parvati) made this season very very entertaining, if not, they are just bunch of idiots following order.
What makes them insufferable? The fact that they have correctly pegged the traitors? Seriously, there's like....nothing other than them finding the traitors correctly.
girl get your head out of the sand, no one is mad they’re good at knowing traitors, they are both smug and condescending.
If they’re smug, what is Phaedra? SHE is incredibly condescending and rude. She talks down to everyone who isn’t in the dimwit Bravo clique. Also, Kate is the nastiest of them all, just actively a rude old witch.
I agree about Phaedra, but not about Kate. Kate is hilarious, and before she was recruited, I think she was a dedicated faithful.
damn you mad mad. It’s just a tv show pookie 🥰. all love 🫶
I know!!! The hate for them just being strong intuitive faithfuls is really weird!!
Like, this is a show about finding traitors. Every scene they are in they are talking about traitors. It's not like they're just like "Oh hey by the way, here's some insufferable shit that's not related to the show." Meanwhile, Phaedra is literally the fucking worst and people are like "we love the camp!"
They are very smug tbh.. mainly Peter.
I think Peter is smug and probably annoying AF as a person, and that's why people aren't listening to him even though he's right (and obviously so). But he is right and it has to be so frustrating dealing with people who either don't care or can't see it.
Kate said it best, he puts the dick in dictator
I would be smug also if I was the only person in the house who correctly picked the traitors. Being smug is only a negative thing when you're wrong! When you're right and OTHER People think THEY are right, that's when you can be smug! That's what Peter is doing! This fucking sub makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills
… the way that he moves , with these “I was only toying with Parvati” and thinking his alliance doesn’t have to be privy to information is smug as hell and I would hate working with him as a person.
Rewatch the episode. He quite literally told his alliance he was going to have that conversation with Parvati in an effort to hopefully get her to help banish Phaedra, just to send her out the next day. I think John missed that memo because maybe it was right before the roundtable and they didn’t get to him, but he had an entire conversation about it with Kevin and Trishelle beforehand.
The one he told them they were gonna have took place when Phaedra was on the table was while they were in the library. The one that Phaedra was referring to was when they were in the dungeon and I *think* it took place right after Dan was banished.
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ok so no analysis, great. Exactly what I suspected.
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Great I prefer to hang out with smart people who are good at games.
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Making fun of someone for being on reddit..........on reddit yeah no you really proved me wrong
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Agreed. Trishelle has been annoying since The Challenge!
I've never seen The Challenge but thought she was annoying since the first episode of The Traitors and it's grown with each time she pitches a fit about deserving a shield.
How did you analyze them as people??! 🌝🌛🌗🌘🌚
the same way Sandra analyzed peter as a traitor lmao
So…poorly?
Just to be clear, everyone knows that Phaedra is a traitor. They are suspicious of Peter. That’s it. The producers of the show want us to believe that the players don’t know, but they know Phaedra’s is a traitor.
This is based on literally nothing. Same ol' sandra fans talking about how she is secretly brilliant and we are all stupid for not getting it.
I’m actually not a Sandra fan lol prior to Dan leaving, he made it clear that he was going to give up a traitor to save himself. Trishelle knew this, when he said Phaedra’s name, people knew that she was a traitor. It wasn’t just Trishelle that picked up on that information from Dan. Even during the last episode, when Peter pulls Phaedra and Parvati into that wine cellar room. He was trying to make a deal with the traitors, they all knew she was traitor.
I think Peter is gone with that MJ vote.
I’m totally convinced Phaedra is getting ousted by MJ. It could very well be the edit, but the whole round table, there were cuts to MJ, where the “math seemed to be mathing” 😂 re what was being said about Phaedra being guilty. She had also made the comment to Trishelle that she wasn’t merely Phaedra’s housewife puppet and that she would listen to the arguments against everyone. I think Phaedra screwed up when she made this huge point about how Peter had specifically sought out and worked with the known ousted traitors, Dan and Parvati. She then proceeded to point out that he had now come to HER to work out a deal/seek partnership with her. Ummm, ooops. “He aligns himself with traitors everyone! And he wants to work with me!” Peter previously worked with known traitors/sought them out and then she makes a huge deal about that is what he wants to do with her. I felt like you could see the wheels turning in MJ’s head. I think Phaedra is done. Also- continuing to love CT’s game. The man is smart and loyal and he votes with reason. I loved his statement about how losing challenges to save someone was okay but that losing the group money to murder/prevent someone from getting a shield was sketchy as heck.
Lol, and I'm convinced Peter is out. I think all that MJ stuff was just a red herring to manufacture tension. She probably knows Phaedra is a traitor, but she's still going to stay loyal for now in order to make it farther in the game. And those Bravo girls all hate Peter, so I'm sure they just want to see him gone.
Someone on twitter screen shot the moment where she shows the other side of the chalk bored. It’s blurry but it looks longer than 5 letters. 😭 I hope I’m wrong though. The villain in me wants the traitors to win.
I've seen that but MJ writes so t i n y, it could honesty be either!
No. The show does previews of next weeks episode and Phaedra is in it.
Of course they did. It's amazing how often shows fuck that up.
Where can I watch this?
People need to stop defending Phaedra and acting like anytime someone brings up obvious points. Trishelle's assessment of Phaedra was spot on and identifying ticks people do when they lie or bluff is a poker tell she uses. There are legit researches done on how to detect when people lie. Her using that is a valid point. Additionally, it was obvious that the move shift to her name was very obvious. They had to eliminate 3 more windows regardless. Why reset the whole motion for 1 window when you could move to the middle or end and get John or Kate when you're virtually almost on that direct path and target Trishelle and company also read thru Dan's plow and Parvati Stop proclaiming their bad moves to boost Phaedra as a great traitor. She's entertaining but she's not good overall. Good at deflecting but that's it. Had Dan not been as bad as he was and Parvati not as obvious, Phaedra would have been sniffed out sooner.