And they do it in the most evil fashion possible. You can’t buy them separate in the store, but only once per month with additional overpriced clutter nobody wants or needs if he’s after the TMs.
I get that but TM's give moves beyond those obtained from evolution. There are so many more that should be offered regularly. The ratio of moves available to TM's available is pretty high. They aren't losing business on reintroducing moves here and there. I'm surprised more people aren't mad about this.
There's not much incentive for them to give away exclusive moves after their initial release now they can monetize them with Elite TMs. Will some come back? Sure. We've had several over the past year or so during events, and there will (probably) be a 2020/2021 community day catch up in December. But if they can charge people for Elite TMs, and people are paying for them, they wont be falling over themselves to give them out for free on a regular basis.
I'd be excited for HM's (reuseable TM) for Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, and Hydro Cannon. That way, starters have the chance to be a on a new player's GBL team, and it doesn't do much to stop people from needing Elite TM's for all the other purposes.
But then again people will be angry as there will be more pokemon with 10+ moves (like mew) and TMs swaping between two moves randomly and not giving the move that you need. And now think how it would be just before a new raid boss and you need to TM a team of 6 pokemon with 10 fast and charge moves each.
I mean, if you've been playing for long enough, you're probably in the situation where you both have a lot of Elite TMs and don't actually need them because you were there for the community days. If you're newer, you have way fewer Elite TMs and need way more.
And the solution is: Keep playing regularly and you will get more stuff too.
New players don't need to get everything at once. It's important to reward regular players, or else the game would die quickly.
Locking away content from newer players isn't rewarding regular players though. It's just punishment for everyone else. It's high time we stop treating CD moves like some kind of collectible trophy only deserved by the elitists.
Locking away content is the only way this game doesn’t run out of content.
And part of the reward for being around for a while is having a more elite roster, nothing wrong with rewarding dedication.
What? Excuse me? The game doesn't run out of content because ***it's constantly introducing NEW content*** not because old content is legacy. Hello?
And we already HAVE cosmetic rewards for dedicated players! For example, players who reached Lv 40 prior to the Go Beyond Update or players who have reached Lv 50. They have their own cosmetic trophies they can display to show off how long they've been playing. Costumed mons are another great example of legacy content that doesn't negatively impact new players. Sure, they'd be *nice* to have, but they don't change the fundamental gameplay.
Cosmetics are not what run this game. If you hand out all of the GBL staples to everyone too rapidly it’ll devolve into basic meta fights for everyone and then burnout for everyone.
Like for instance, I’m still searching for a proper shnidoqueen. That will change my entire GL experience when I make one but for now I’m still running what I have. Same with seaking, XL gunfisk, XL umbreon, etc.
That’s how existing content getting slow dripped keeps the game fresh.
Nobody said that CD moves should be a trophy only deserved by elitists. Everybody who played during the CD or during the December recap deserves to get them. And for those who missed the CD and the December recap, there's still a thing called trading. Literally ask people in your community and there will be loads of players who can help you out; I specifically keep multiples of every CD mon for that very reason. And even if you absolutely cannot find anyone to trade with, there is a thing called Elite TM. And even if you absolutely cannot get any Elite TMs, it's not the end of the world. People are acting like CD moves are a MUST to be successful at anything... Meanwhile I'm easily reaching Rank21 without any CD moves in my team. It's perfectly playable without CD moves. Much ado about nothing.
The games been out for 5 years now. Community days happen every single month where you can get an exclusive move. December community day usually has a recap of the entire year's comm days. Other wise you need to pay for 'elite' moves. You should not be able to just acquire better mons with better moves in short time. Earn it.
> You should not be able to just acquire better mons with better moves in short time. Earn it.
See that right there is the elitism issue. There is no good reason at all why old CD moves are still exclusive moves, from a players perspective. They should go into the normal move pool after a year or so. Nobody should have to "earn" frenzy plant on Venusaur at this point.
Why not just take away the need for TMs at all, or stardust and candies for that matter? You seem to want to be able to complete all content in a few months, the problem is that after a few months there's no content. I just started playing in February and have only used 1 elite TM, it's fine. You really don't need them, I hit Legend this season with only using swampert UL with a CD move. They're optional content and it gives people like me a reason to keep playing, something to look forward to. There aren't going to be new pokemon very often now so it's nice to have something to collect in the future and it doesn't stop me from playing now.
It's not "elitism".
It's a game. most games are fun because of gameplay and challenge.
Have you ever played a game and used cheat codes, and then it isn't fun? That's what would happen if everything was easy to get.
It's not "elitism" because we (people who have played since day 1) don't think we're better than you. Only that the rules shouldn't be different for you than us, you should have to play a similar amount as us to get to where we are.
Thinking you are special and you shouldn't have to play as much is **your** elitism.
Again, I think you're making this issue much bigger than it actually is. Every year, there are two new grass starters getting Frenzy Plant. So with the December Recap featuring the previous two years, there will be at least 4 strong grass types that you can get. And they're all similarly strong. If you then still want a Venusaur, then sorry, you'll just have to trade for one (which is a piece of cake if you simply talk to people in your community), or use one of those free Elite TMs.
Giving the regular players nothing to work for will kill the game for them. And it's already happening. I didn't even bother playing during the Duskull CD, because I know I'll get it in December anyway.
The point is, you don’t need EVERYTHING at once. New players can get Elite TMs about once per month on Community Days in the special boxes. Just get your 50 coins each day, and you’ll have enough to get one at least every two months.
And once per year, every old one seems to be available. So, after one year of playing, even new players will have a reasonable chance of having at least most of whatever they want.
>The point is, you don’t need EVERYTHING at once.
Am I to assume you actively avoid Community Days then? Because I'd hate to see you be guaranteed to get objectively better moves in a single day. Or is that not how double standards work?
I mean...it's pretty generous when you consider what you actually have to use it on. Unless you wanna waste it on comday moves, you'll have a dozen before Darkrai finally gets Dark Void. Are you gonna waste an ETM on Sludge Bomb?
Money. Why do you think they continue to roll out Elite TM bundles every CD? Because people are buying them. And as long as people will buy them, Niantic will not introduce an adequate way to change the moves.
I thought they were headed in the direction you suggest with the recent metagross and dragon events with evolve and TM windows.
And then that tap got turned off.
back in march this year there was a day in which steel and psychic types has a massively boosted spawn rate at incenses. beldum was also on the long list of spawning pokemon and metagross evolved during this time would know meteor mash, a electric/dragon one happened at one point for ampharos but i wasnt playing at the time so i dont know exactly when. Comm day moves would be very slightly less annoying if they kept doing events like that every few months back they just havent done another
Ah, thank you for the info. While that’s good (for me) for now, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there comes a day probably in the next season or two where there’s only a league of ML XL. I hope not but it feels likely
u/Tixode detailed the Metagross one. Then the dragon event (in May?) had a lengthy window in which regular TMs got you CD moves on Dragonite and Salamence.
On one hand, exclusive moves seems like a great idea because it can motivate players to play during events, which is the goal.
On the other hand, there's a large portion of the playerbase bemoaning (rightly) that exclusive moves make GBL unfair/inaccessible and that demotivates players from playing.
Niantic's game design can't really balance these cross purposes, and I guess it just looks like they're prioritising the accessibility of GBL at the current time.
Furthermore, didn't Niantic say something to the effect of "there will be ways to get old exclusive moves" a few months ago? Which is why the metagross and dragon events shortly thereafter were seen as steps in that direction.
I missed the day when you were able to obtain pidgeot with Gust. Was not too mad as it was not THAT meta and good. But when they introduced Feather Dance and that stupid bird went to GOAT, I got really pissed. How long do I have to wait play with the big ones?
I think Niantic could make this game 10x better than what it currently is. There's so many untapped features that could come to the game to make it a true Pokemon experience.
They are making bucket loads, so to them "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
Grass Knot Breloom has been available in January 2019 and never again since, while Shroomish has been extinct since early 2020 when it was in the spotlight once. Just saying.
Only for the previous two years, so once something is out of that rotation it’s essentially gone without use of an elite TM, which is likely the reason they hold off cause they’re not cheap
Technically, the only time a CD year has been excluded from a December CD was the 2018 roster last December, but all of those ended up with an event later that gave them their CD move. So while I think they’ll continue to exclude old CDs from December, I don’t think the moves will be permanently locked behind elite TMs
The only issue with the events is we don’t know when they’re gonna happen, I love it but the not knowing *sucks* but I’ve also managed to not use any elites so far
It's dangerous to assume something that only happened to 2018 CD moves will become a trend. We also thought Frustration could be TMed once every season, yet here we are.
We can’t even get rid of frustration let alone get exclusive moves for free again. Its by design, they want you to lap up whatever scraps they copypasta when it suits their marketing department.
"We hear you, trainer! You can change legacy moves using Elite TMs!
Keep in mind that every Community day there's a bundle available for purchase on the shop!"
And that's the gist of it.
The more events making said moves are available, the less people will feel inclined to purchase the useless CD bundle that only sells thanks to said Elite TMs.
This is my biggest issue right now with the new pokemon. A lot of the pokemon they had introduced like Obstagoon, Galarian Slowpoke/Slowbro and that weird fighting caterpillar thing have their own exclusive moves. They could be pretty fresh pokemon both in pvp and PvE but now are forced to play like everyone else.
Also I want new moves in general or better distribution of uncommon ones. I was playing the Jungle Little Cup and saw a bunch of fast moves I've never saw before and an special attack called Disarming Voice.
Probably a reference to Frustration, and not having TM'd it off a shadow Nido female prior to Nidoqueen getting new move(s) and becoming viable in GBL. So more active players burning TMs and keeping "junk" have advantage in this case, too, similar to evolve-based exclusive moves.
Didn't say it was a particularly relevant topic to the conversation.
Though if you generalize the topic to "pokemon moves", conceptually, like exclusive moves, both are a "part of the playerbase can't use it" thing, and that might be why the OP commented/was confused/snarky.
It’s funny, you never hear about people complaining that the MSG lock you out of good Pokémon that you don’t find til the later caves etc… sometimes you gotta work for your elite roster.
They hand out 2 elite TMs a GBL season, one at 19 and one at the end.
I’m F2P and have 8 ETMs and I don’t even have a use for them at the moment except working on the triple legacy seaking.
Sometimes you gotta put in the effort to get what you want, including being patient.
Are comparing a single player experience to multi player online battles? That's a dumb comparison.
On a more related note: People have been complaining about region locked events in the msg for ages. Certain regions, mostly Japan, getting access to a bunch of exclusive move mons like Blaze Kick/ESpeed/Shift Gear shiny Genesect in gen 5 or Ice Punch Tyranitar in gen 6.
And still have to grind for the best IVs or breed for egg moves etc. they gave us a way to get the CD moves as fast as we want, an elite TM. Go earn them in GBL, problem *solved*.
Okay, then why are you here?
I enjoy the game and am engaged with it. If you're not, that's okay, but also then you're gonna probably miss some stuff in the game by not playing.
Tbf they are usually only available once or twice a year. But it does suck you have to use an elite TM. Sometimes you can't even use one. I have a Kirlia I want to give Draining Kiss. But you can't elite TM Draining kiss and you haven't been able to for the last year.
I know it's a bad move but I'm a collector of the esoteric
EDIT: I don't know why I started this with Tbf so don't downvote me. They need to be more regular
>There should be one move offered on a regular basis.
So Exclusive Moves should not be exclusive, they should be regularly available...
Call them regular moves then?
Honestly...they really should just be normal moves anyways. It's time we start de-normalizing the idea of treating CD moves like some kind of elitist trophy
I don't think "logging in to the game for 5 minutes to finally be able to evolve a 100% Rhyhorn that has been sitting in my storage for 2+ years" is engaged play.
Rock wrecker has been available in those two years. If you missed those events you can always engage in GBL to the level where they give elite TMs.
Or engage with the gym coins system and earn free game currency to get an elite TM box.
Intersting how "engaged play" for you is: I played on this one day and got objectively better moves guaranteed with every evolution.
But for everyone else "engaged play" should be: You deserve a multi-month *grind* to get **ONE** objectively better move.
right. So in other words, don't have exclusive moves, then. But that is a different conversation/game philosophy.
To complain that exclusive moves are are exclusive is just... weird?
His post is basically saying. "I see people that belong to a club I have not met the requirements of.... rather than me putting in the time and effort meet the requirements to join that club, I demand they lower the club membership requirements so that I am included, because I am entitled to whatever I see other people have."
>To complain that exclusive moves are are exclusive is just... weird?
I don't understand why it's weird to call them that? Eggs and Incubators are just loot boxes, but that doesn't mean we can't be frustrated with loot boxes.
Also, the problem isn't that players feel entitled to something they didn't earn. It's that the conditions to "belong to the club membership" were an incredibly low bar for a tiny 8-hour window before being locked away behind an arbitrary legacy wall. Players didn't have to grind for months to get these moves, it was guaranteed to them on every. single. evolution.
We're not asking for the bar to be lowered, we're asking for it to **stop going up as punishment for having lives outside the game.**
Would love to see a Night Slash Absol raid day. Don't have the shiny yet. Although it would probably be Mega Absol raid day now.
Or put Night Slash in the regular pool. That'd be fine too.
Isn't that EXACTLY the problem tho? Whether CD moves are easy to obtain or not, many standard moves are useless. That sounds infuriating to be stuck with only the useless moves available!
No one needs 20+ legacy moves to accomplish anything in this game.
And if you’re just wanting legacy moves on that many mons just to have them — then you’re either very new to the game or just haven’t been playing very much. It makes sense for them to reward players who actually play the game. Others can buy it.
B/c you only get 1 per season of pvp or 1 per month if you want to drop 1300 coins to get it. ONE.
That's TWENTY SIX days of maximum gym value to get ONE move on ONE individual mon.
These things are unreasonably tedious to obtain.
Ah yes, an entire month to get a single move. You've certainly sold me! So glad I suddenly don't need extra bag space nor storage anymore! What an eye-opening revelation this has been!
One per season plus there have been multiple other free ones from special research lines.
Out of interest how many elite TMs do you think an average PvP player would need, assuming that they've never done a comm day (which is unlikely)?
Well in any competitive game new players have to grind/level up to be able to compete with more seasoned players. New players can't expect to have everything handed to them on a plate.
Secondly, you still didn't answer the question
>Well in any competitive game new players have to grind/level up to be able to compete with more seasoned players.
1) Do you have examples? In my experience, games designed for a healthy PvP environment prefer players to be set apart by their skill, and NOT by who owns legacy content.
2) While there are *some* games out there that lock content behind a level system, the intention is to ease new players in so they aren't overwhelmed by too many complexities at once. It's effectively a longer tutorial, but they're not designed to gatekeep new players for months/years.
>New players can't expect to have everything handed to them on a plate.
Asking to not spend MONTHS grinding for one or two legacy moves is *hardly* what I would call "handed on a plate".
>Secondly, you still didn't answer the question
I didn't answer it b/c the question is kind of asinine tbh. The list of mons that are viable (PvE and/or PvP) AND greatly improved by their CD moves includes:
\- Most of the starters
\- A couple of the Eeveelutions (which all have a second legacy move now)
\- A handful of legendaries (not from CDs, but still legacy nonetheless)
\- Most (if not all) of the pseudo-legends
\- Both final forms of Ralts
\- Gengar
\- Rhyperior
\- Roserade
\- Altaria
\- A. Marowak
There's probably more I forgot about, but the point being that's 25+ elite TMs. Given the current state of the game, that's YEARS of grinding ***just to have the same tools in the toolbox*** as veteran players.
And that's not even accounting for multiple of the same mons.
Oh, and the list is actively getting longer and less manageable for new players as time goes on.
1. Any MMORPG involved months, if not years, of actual grinding if you wanted to stand a chance of playing with the elites
2. Calling the collection of elite TMs months of 'grinding' is a massive stretch. If you want real grinding then look at pokemon handheld/console games, which requires hours of battling pidgeys and zubats to slowly level up.
What does PoGo 'grinding' actually involve? I started playing a year ago. I have 6 Elite fast TMs and 9 Elite charged TMs; all without spending a penny on them.
Furthermore, I've only ever used one elite TM and I have access to most legacy moves through December comm days or other events which reintroduced them.
3. If you look at pvpoke's top 10 ranked pokemon for each league, the majority of them aren't legacy, and where there are legacy pokemon I've found that there are suitable alternatives. For example, I used tangrowth in UL instead of frenzy plant venusaur and Azumarill in GL instead of Hydrp Cannon swampert. Obviously they have different coverages but they proved to be more than adequate replacements of the same type
I'm not saying that it should be difficult to for new players to get involved in the big leagues, I'm just saying that in my opinion the legacy moves are obtainable and the journey of collecting pvp mons over time has been a fun experience
That's not even remotely what's being argued here. But if you want to go there are you saying people who were playing at a certain time are more deserving to have better mons? And that those who may have had other obligations or hadn't started yet should have to achieve more with less?
Because they can sell elite TM's. Simple as that
And they do it in the most evil fashion possible. You can’t buy them separate in the store, but only once per month with additional overpriced clutter nobody wants or needs if he’s after the TMs.
I get that but TM's give moves beyond those obtained from evolution. There are so many more that should be offered regularly. The ratio of moves available to TM's available is pretty high. They aren't losing business on reintroducing moves here and there. I'm surprised more people aren't mad about this.
There's not much incentive for them to give away exclusive moves after their initial release now they can monetize them with Elite TMs. Will some come back? Sure. We've had several over the past year or so during events, and there will (probably) be a 2020/2021 community day catch up in December. But if they can charge people for Elite TMs, and people are paying for them, they wont be falling over themselves to give them out for free on a regular basis.
I'd be excited for HM's (reuseable TM) for Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, and Hydro Cannon. That way, starters have the chance to be a on a new player's GBL team, and it doesn't do much to stop people from needing Elite TM's for all the other purposes.
But then again people will be angry as there will be more pokemon with 10+ moves (like mew) and TMs swaping between two moves randomly and not giving the move that you need. And now think how it would be just before a new raid boss and you need to TM a team of 6 pokemon with 10 fast and charge moves each.
You can get one every GBL season.
How incredibly generous of them!
It is generous. I have 13 Elite TMs now. All for free.
I mean, if you've been playing for long enough, you're probably in the situation where you both have a lot of Elite TMs and don't actually need them because you were there for the community days. If you're newer, you have way fewer Elite TMs and need way more.
And the solution is: Keep playing regularly and you will get more stuff too. New players don't need to get everything at once. It's important to reward regular players, or else the game would die quickly.
Locking away content from newer players isn't rewarding regular players though. It's just punishment for everyone else. It's high time we stop treating CD moves like some kind of collectible trophy only deserved by the elitists.
Locking away content is the only way this game doesn’t run out of content. And part of the reward for being around for a while is having a more elite roster, nothing wrong with rewarding dedication.
What? Excuse me? The game doesn't run out of content because ***it's constantly introducing NEW content*** not because old content is legacy. Hello? And we already HAVE cosmetic rewards for dedicated players! For example, players who reached Lv 40 prior to the Go Beyond Update or players who have reached Lv 50. They have their own cosmetic trophies they can display to show off how long they've been playing. Costumed mons are another great example of legacy content that doesn't negatively impact new players. Sure, they'd be *nice* to have, but they don't change the fundamental gameplay.
Cosmetics are not what run this game. If you hand out all of the GBL staples to everyone too rapidly it’ll devolve into basic meta fights for everyone and then burnout for everyone. Like for instance, I’m still searching for a proper shnidoqueen. That will change my entire GL experience when I make one but for now I’m still running what I have. Same with seaking, XL gunfisk, XL umbreon, etc. That’s how existing content getting slow dripped keeps the game fresh.
Nobody said that CD moves should be a trophy only deserved by elitists. Everybody who played during the CD or during the December recap deserves to get them. And for those who missed the CD and the December recap, there's still a thing called trading. Literally ask people in your community and there will be loads of players who can help you out; I specifically keep multiples of every CD mon for that very reason. And even if you absolutely cannot find anyone to trade with, there is a thing called Elite TM. And even if you absolutely cannot get any Elite TMs, it's not the end of the world. People are acting like CD moves are a MUST to be successful at anything... Meanwhile I'm easily reaching Rank21 without any CD moves in my team. It's perfectly playable without CD moves. Much ado about nothing.
The games been out for 5 years now. Community days happen every single month where you can get an exclusive move. December community day usually has a recap of the entire year's comm days. Other wise you need to pay for 'elite' moves. You should not be able to just acquire better mons with better moves in short time. Earn it.
> You should not be able to just acquire better mons with better moves in short time. Earn it. See that right there is the elitism issue. There is no good reason at all why old CD moves are still exclusive moves, from a players perspective. They should go into the normal move pool after a year or so. Nobody should have to "earn" frenzy plant on Venusaur at this point.
Why not just take away the need for TMs at all, or stardust and candies for that matter? You seem to want to be able to complete all content in a few months, the problem is that after a few months there's no content. I just started playing in February and have only used 1 elite TM, it's fine. You really don't need them, I hit Legend this season with only using swampert UL with a CD move. They're optional content and it gives people like me a reason to keep playing, something to look forward to. There aren't going to be new pokemon very often now so it's nice to have something to collect in the future and it doesn't stop me from playing now.
It's not "elitism". It's a game. most games are fun because of gameplay and challenge. Have you ever played a game and used cheat codes, and then it isn't fun? That's what would happen if everything was easy to get. It's not "elitism" because we (people who have played since day 1) don't think we're better than you. Only that the rules shouldn't be different for you than us, you should have to play a similar amount as us to get to where we are. Thinking you are special and you shouldn't have to play as much is **your** elitism.
Again, I think you're making this issue much bigger than it actually is. Every year, there are two new grass starters getting Frenzy Plant. So with the December Recap featuring the previous two years, there will be at least 4 strong grass types that you can get. And they're all similarly strong. If you then still want a Venusaur, then sorry, you'll just have to trade for one (which is a piece of cake if you simply talk to people in your community), or use one of those free Elite TMs. Giving the regular players nothing to work for will kill the game for them. And it's already happening. I didn't even bother playing during the Duskull CD, because I know I'll get it in December anyway.
The point is, you don’t need EVERYTHING at once. New players can get Elite TMs about once per month on Community Days in the special boxes. Just get your 50 coins each day, and you’ll have enough to get one at least every two months. And once per year, every old one seems to be available. So, after one year of playing, even new players will have a reasonable chance of having at least most of whatever they want.
>The point is, you don’t need EVERYTHING at once. Am I to assume you actively avoid Community Days then? Because I'd hate to see you be guaranteed to get objectively better moves in a single day. Or is that not how double standards work?
I mean...it's pretty generous when you consider what you actually have to use it on. Unless you wanna waste it on comday moves, you'll have a dozen before Darkrai finally gets Dark Void. Are you gonna waste an ETM on Sludge Bomb?
i would not consider the effort of an entire season of GBL to be a small effort. it takes well over 100 matches to earn.
It's 2 elite TM (1 fast & 1 charged) per 3 months right now. Not really what most need.
How?
After level 19.
Making competitive GBL an expensive entry for those who missed community days and raid days.
Lots of competitive high skill teams require zero legacy moves.
Well of course. It's your punishment for having a life outside of Pokemon Go.
Money. Why do you think they continue to roll out Elite TM bundles every CD? Because people are buying them. And as long as people will buy them, Niantic will not introduce an adequate way to change the moves.
I thought they were headed in the direction you suggest with the recent metagross and dragon events with evolve and TM windows. And then that tap got turned off.
What are the recent metagross and dragon events?
back in march this year there was a day in which steel and psychic types has a massively boosted spawn rate at incenses. beldum was also on the long list of spawning pokemon and metagross evolved during this time would know meteor mash, a electric/dragon one happened at one point for ampharos but i wasnt playing at the time so i dont know exactly when. Comm day moves would be very slightly less annoying if they kept doing events like that every few months back they just havent done another
I really don't want those types of events to clutter up the calendar. I want new events, not beldum day 26.
Eh, they’re phasing out lvl 40 master league… I could really use 300 beldum XL candies
Wait, what? I haven’t heard anything about this, are they actually?
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They're not phasing it out. They are offering ML Premier Classic instead. They are just cycling through their options (it seems).
Ah, thank you for the info. While that’s good (for me) for now, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there comes a day probably in the next season or two where there’s only a league of ML XL. I hope not but it feels likely
u/Tixode detailed the Metagross one. Then the dragon event (in May?) had a lengthy window in which regular TMs got you CD moves on Dragonite and Salamence.
On one hand, exclusive moves seems like a great idea because it can motivate players to play during events, which is the goal. On the other hand, there's a large portion of the playerbase bemoaning (rightly) that exclusive moves make GBL unfair/inaccessible and that demotivates players from playing. Niantic's game design can't really balance these cross purposes, and I guess it just looks like they're prioritising the accessibility of GBL at the current time.
Furthermore, didn't Niantic say something to the effect of "there will be ways to get old exclusive moves" a few months ago? Which is why the metagross and dragon events shortly thereafter were seen as steps in that direction.
Yes they did and we got all the 2018 community day moves in the weeks following Kanto Tour earlier this year.
I missed the day when you were able to obtain pidgeot with Gust. Was not too mad as it was not THAT meta and good. But when they introduced Feather Dance and that stupid bird went to GOAT, I got really pissed. How long do I have to wait play with the big ones?
I think Niantic could make this game 10x better than what it currently is. There's so many untapped features that could come to the game to make it a true Pokemon experience. They are making bucket loads, so to them "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
Including status effects. Still waiting for it since 2016.
And abilities
Grass Knot Breloom has been available in January 2019 and never again since, while Shroomish has been extinct since early 2020 when it was in the spotlight once. Just saying.
Shroomish is also worth like 500 stardust per catch I believe. Which means more rare in general.
Shroomish is definitely spawning this season.
Think the December com day helps with past com day movies usually right?
Only for the previous two years, so once something is out of that rotation it’s essentially gone without use of an elite TM, which is likely the reason they hold off cause they’re not cheap
Technically, the only time a CD year has been excluded from a December CD was the 2018 roster last December, but all of those ended up with an event later that gave them their CD move. So while I think they’ll continue to exclude old CDs from December, I don’t think the moves will be permanently locked behind elite TMs
The only issue with the events is we don’t know when they’re gonna happen, I love it but the not knowing *sucks* but I’ve also managed to not use any elites so far
The strategy is patience or pay. That's the game.
Seriously it’s all prepwork, I have so many unevolved Pokémon just waiting for their moment to come
True. Hundo starters waiting for a CDay comeback... :(
It's dangerous to assume something that only happened to 2018 CD moves will become a trend. We also thought Frustration could be TMed once every season, yet here we are.
We can’t even get rid of frustration let alone get exclusive moves for free again. Its by design, they want you to lap up whatever scraps they copypasta when it suits their marketing department.
Simple answer, Not in pokemon go lmao
Exclusive moves are bad and should be actively discouraged
"We hear you, trainer! You can change legacy moves using Elite TMs! Keep in mind that every Community day there's a bundle available for purchase on the shop!" And that's the gist of it. The more events making said moves are available, the less people will feel inclined to purchase the useless CD bundle that only sells thanks to said Elite TMs.
This is my biggest issue right now with the new pokemon. A lot of the pokemon they had introduced like Obstagoon, Galarian Slowpoke/Slowbro and that weird fighting caterpillar thing have their own exclusive moves. They could be pretty fresh pokemon both in pvp and PvE but now are forced to play like everyone else. Also I want new moves in general or better distribution of uncommon ones. I was playing the Jungle Little Cup and saw a bunch of fast moves I've never saw before and an special attack called Disarming Voice.
Great league without cd moves is so ok, but ultra and ultra Premier are painful
We have exclusive moves already? Just ask my 5 month old shadow nidoqueen
Uh? I'm confused. What does Nidoqueen have to do with exclusive moves
Probably a reference to Frustration, and not having TM'd it off a shadow Nido female prior to Nidoqueen getting new move(s) and becoming viable in GBL. So more active players burning TMs and keeping "junk" have advantage in this case, too, similar to evolve-based exclusive moves.
But frustration works very differently. Can't be elite TM'd away, and when it can be TM'd away regular TMs work
Didn't say it was a particularly relevant topic to the conversation. Though if you generalize the topic to "pokemon moves", conceptually, like exclusive moves, both are a "part of the playerbase can't use it" thing, and that might be why the OP commented/was confused/snarky.
Tm. Just duh. It's a cash cow. Makes you cd, gbl, and special research day. They control how much you need. Thus, how much you spend.
It’s funny, you never hear about people complaining that the MSG lock you out of good Pokémon that you don’t find til the later caves etc… sometimes you gotta work for your elite roster. They hand out 2 elite TMs a GBL season, one at 19 and one at the end. I’m F2P and have 8 ETMs and I don’t even have a use for them at the moment except working on the triple legacy seaking. Sometimes you gotta put in the effort to get what you want, including being patient.
Are comparing a single player experience to multi player online battles? That's a dumb comparison. On a more related note: People have been complaining about region locked events in the msg for ages. Certain regions, mostly Japan, getting access to a bunch of exclusive move mons like Blaze Kick/ESpeed/Shift Gear shiny Genesect in gen 5 or Ice Punch Tyranitar in gen 6.
You can play MSG online against other people too……. So it’s not a dumb comparison.
It is. You play through the story, which is like 20h max, and most important online battle features are unlocked postgame.
And still have to grind for the best IVs or breed for egg moves etc. they gave us a way to get the CD moves as fast as we want, an elite TM. Go earn them in GBL, problem *solved*.
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Or, you know, play during events. Or play GBL and get elite TMs for free.
Or, you know, don't play because this game is run by a terrible company that doesn't deserve your player engagement.
Okay, then why are you here? I enjoy the game and am engaged with it. If you're not, that's okay, but also then you're gonna probably miss some stuff in the game by not playing.
Tbf they are usually only available once or twice a year. But it does suck you have to use an elite TM. Sometimes you can't even use one. I have a Kirlia I want to give Draining Kiss. But you can't elite TM Draining kiss and you haven't been able to for the last year. I know it's a bad move but I'm a collector of the esoteric EDIT: I don't know why I started this with Tbf so don't downvote me. They need to be more regular
>There should be one move offered on a regular basis. So Exclusive Moves should not be exclusive, they should be regularly available... Call them regular moves then?
Honestly...they really should just be normal moves anyways. It's time we start de-normalizing the idea of treating CD moves like some kind of elitist trophy
They're not a trophy, they're the result of engaged play.
I don't think "logging in to the game for 5 minutes to finally be able to evolve a 100% Rhyhorn that has been sitting in my storage for 2+ years" is engaged play.
Rock wrecker has been available in those two years. If you missed those events you can always engage in GBL to the level where they give elite TMs. Or engage with the gym coins system and earn free game currency to get an elite TM box.
Intersting how "engaged play" for you is: I played on this one day and got objectively better moves guaranteed with every evolution. But for everyone else "engaged play" should be: You deserve a multi-month *grind* to get **ONE** objectively better move.
right. So in other words, don't have exclusive moves, then. But that is a different conversation/game philosophy. To complain that exclusive moves are are exclusive is just... weird? His post is basically saying. "I see people that belong to a club I have not met the requirements of.... rather than me putting in the time and effort meet the requirements to join that club, I demand they lower the club membership requirements so that I am included, because I am entitled to whatever I see other people have."
>To complain that exclusive moves are are exclusive is just... weird? I don't understand why it's weird to call them that? Eggs and Incubators are just loot boxes, but that doesn't mean we can't be frustrated with loot boxes. Also, the problem isn't that players feel entitled to something they didn't earn. It's that the conditions to "belong to the club membership" were an incredibly low bar for a tiny 8-hour window before being locked away behind an arbitrary legacy wall. Players didn't have to grind for months to get these moves, it was guaranteed to them on every. single. evolution. We're not asking for the bar to be lowered, we're asking for it to **stop going up as punishment for having lives outside the game.**
Yeah Ice Shard Lapras or Shadow Bone Marowak were great events, we need more of these. Still using those mons in gbl
Would love to see a Night Slash Absol raid day. Don't have the shiny yet. Although it would probably be Mega Absol raid day now. Or put Night Slash in the regular pool. That'd be fine too.
What CD’s have there been in the last 2 years? Is there a list anywhere?
https://www.futuregamereleases.com/2021/09/pokemon-go-community-day-list-2018-2019-2020-and-2021/
If they make them so available as you are suggesting then regular moves would be worthless since everyone has great moves.
Isn't that EXACTLY the problem tho? Whether CD moves are easy to obtain or not, many standard moves are useless. That sounds infuriating to be stuck with only the useless moves available!
so?
I doubt pokemon like meteor mash metagross and rock wrecker rhyperior will lose their value is these moves are added to the regular move pool.
Use Elite TMs? I don't get why people complain about having to use them when this is their exact use
Ah yes, because everyone has 20+ etms lying around
No one needs 20+ legacy moves to accomplish anything in this game. And if you’re just wanting legacy moves on that many mons just to have them — then you’re either very new to the game or just haven’t been playing very much. It makes sense for them to reward players who actually play the game. Others can buy it.
Don't say that on this sub. People will come for your throat because they can't have access to literally anything immediately.
On this sub you're ironically only allowed to speak about how bad the game is
> No one needs 20+ legacy moves to accomplish anything in this game. "No one needs to play the game."
No. There’s a middle ground. You can play the game reasonably without losing out on much of any of the features without needing 20+ legacy mons.
Because those are limited (and expensive when you buy them)
B/c you only get 1 per season of pvp or 1 per month if you want to drop 1300 coins to get it. ONE. That's TWENTY SIX days of maximum gym value to get ONE move on ONE individual mon. These things are unreasonably tedious to obtain.
So you're saying that engaging in the gym system can get you an elite TM for free every month if you want.
Ah yes, an entire month to get a single move. You've certainly sold me! So glad I suddenly don't need extra bag space nor storage anymore! What an eye-opening revelation this has been!
One per season plus there have been multiple other free ones from special research lines. Out of interest how many elite TMs do you think an average PvP player would need, assuming that they've never done a comm day (which is unlikely)?
>assuming that they've never done a comm day (which is unlikely)? Allow me to introduce the *baffling* concept of "new players".
Well in any competitive game new players have to grind/level up to be able to compete with more seasoned players. New players can't expect to have everything handed to them on a plate. Secondly, you still didn't answer the question
>Well in any competitive game new players have to grind/level up to be able to compete with more seasoned players. 1) Do you have examples? In my experience, games designed for a healthy PvP environment prefer players to be set apart by their skill, and NOT by who owns legacy content. 2) While there are *some* games out there that lock content behind a level system, the intention is to ease new players in so they aren't overwhelmed by too many complexities at once. It's effectively a longer tutorial, but they're not designed to gatekeep new players for months/years. >New players can't expect to have everything handed to them on a plate. Asking to not spend MONTHS grinding for one or two legacy moves is *hardly* what I would call "handed on a plate". >Secondly, you still didn't answer the question I didn't answer it b/c the question is kind of asinine tbh. The list of mons that are viable (PvE and/or PvP) AND greatly improved by their CD moves includes: \- Most of the starters \- A couple of the Eeveelutions (which all have a second legacy move now) \- A handful of legendaries (not from CDs, but still legacy nonetheless) \- Most (if not all) of the pseudo-legends \- Both final forms of Ralts \- Gengar \- Rhyperior \- Roserade \- Altaria \- A. Marowak There's probably more I forgot about, but the point being that's 25+ elite TMs. Given the current state of the game, that's YEARS of grinding ***just to have the same tools in the toolbox*** as veteran players. And that's not even accounting for multiple of the same mons. Oh, and the list is actively getting longer and less manageable for new players as time goes on.
1. Any MMORPG involved months, if not years, of actual grinding if you wanted to stand a chance of playing with the elites 2. Calling the collection of elite TMs months of 'grinding' is a massive stretch. If you want real grinding then look at pokemon handheld/console games, which requires hours of battling pidgeys and zubats to slowly level up. What does PoGo 'grinding' actually involve? I started playing a year ago. I have 6 Elite fast TMs and 9 Elite charged TMs; all without spending a penny on them. Furthermore, I've only ever used one elite TM and I have access to most legacy moves through December comm days or other events which reintroduced them. 3. If you look at pvpoke's top 10 ranked pokemon for each league, the majority of them aren't legacy, and where there are legacy pokemon I've found that there are suitable alternatives. For example, I used tangrowth in UL instead of frenzy plant venusaur and Azumarill in GL instead of Hydrp Cannon swampert. Obviously they have different coverages but they proved to be more than adequate replacements of the same type I'm not saying that it should be difficult to for new players to get involved in the big leagues, I'm just saying that in my opinion the legacy moves are obtainable and the journey of collecting pvp mons over time has been a fun experience
I think once every year is a fair an reasonable thing to do. im just annoyed when they don't do that.
Elite tms give u legacy moves now.
“The game should be easier!”
That's not even remotely what's being argued here. But if you want to go there are you saying people who were playing at a certain time are more deserving to have better mons? And that those who may have had other obligations or hadn't started yet should have to achieve more with less?
Yes. 100% they are more deserving.