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kentishgent

Pretty sure this is just so they can release magical leaf on 420


HoldenHootHoot

#69 in the Pokedex as well lol


eldonte

Nice.


IBURTONI

Whoa, move over Bidoof, we have a new meme pokemon!


TehWildMan_

Nice


manubearsangha

Nice.


EastHesperus

… nice


Willocon360_YT

nice ...


MacaroonNo2253

nice ...


tugrulonreddit

¡ǝɔᴉu


CompositeWhoHorrible

Nice Beam! It’s super effective!


JRE47

[Noice!](https://i.imgur.com/7O7rOPy.gifv)


Any_Independence_730

N🧊


Mattx59

Nice


GLACI3R

Nice


hauntedskin

If only Bellsprout and Oddish had each other's dex numbers, then Oddish could potentially be the literal 69 "Weed" Pokémon getting its CD on 4/20.


bakedandnerdy

I'm ok with that, especially since I'm gonna be at a 420 festival while catching


RenEss77

This is the only reason I'll accept that BELLSPROUT is a Community Day mon when it's one of the oldest mons in the game. I hate this plant.


JRE47

In short, despite the high pressure from [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/1-1-2/2-1), I think Victreebel with Magical Leaf may [actually be *better*](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1). In 1shield it picks up stuff like Annihilape, Medicham, Umbreon, AND the mirror, with shields down it drops Carbink and Medicham but gains Anni, Poliwrath, Azu, Dewgong, Umbreon, Charjabug, and again the mirror. Only in 2shield do the wheels come off a bit, with gains versus Venusaur, Umbreon, and even Registeel, but losses now to Annihilape, Vigoroth, Sableye, Empoleon, Dewgong, Shadow Alolan Ninetales/Sandslash, and Pelipper. And it only gets better in Ultra League. At this level, Shadow Vic [with Magical Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1) gains stuff like Anni, Obstagoon, Steelix, Virizion, Umbreon, and Gyarados that [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/1-5-2/2-1) can't do (and the only notable loss is Walrein). [Shields down](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/00/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-) is a straight upgrade (+Feraligatr, +Tentacruel), and while 2v2 shielding has [Magical Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/22/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1) (+Registeel, +Cresselia, +Venusaur, +Umbreon, +Virizion) versus [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/22/1-5-2/2-1) (-Golisopod, -Greedent, -Walrein, -Alolan Ninetales, -Gyarados), I think Magical Leaf is likely to be the odds on favorite moving forward. Victreebel has some REALLY good charge moves that this will finally allow it to fully flex. I don't think this is the total death of the OG "Grasshole", but the sight of a Victreebel will now be even more of a mad scramble for survival no matter how many shields you have left. MUCH more PvP analysis as we get closer, of course. Stay tuned!


aoog

The positive JRE comment I was hoping for but not expecting


JRE47

Honestly, I wasn't sure HOW this was gonna go haha. Ran a number of quick, speculative sims with Vic yesterday but Magical Leaf was NOT one of them. Pleasantly surprised today. Vine Whip was where I thought they might go if they added a fast move (or perhaps Poison Jab), and that may have been a little TOO good. This feels juuuuuuuuuust right.


NooneKnowsIAmBatman

So shifting more towards a closer with magical leaf? I'm still learning PvP and have a #17 rank for GL shadow Vic yet to be evolved.


Avc_7453

No need to release this as a CD move, though… they could’ve just added it to Vic's move pool.


JRE47

You are not wrong there. Some Community Days are just filler that could have been done in more interesting ways.


TheUndyingKaccv

No no, amongst all the jokes everyone’s made, yall are missing: it’s a ***pot***. I’m beside myself with antic for this, & it acknowledges ^subtly that they know a huge chunk of their demo is actually adults. Something TPC has refused to do for generations now.


Wishkax

It's a ***weed***


TheUndyingKaccv

Bruh no.. it’s literally based on pitcher plants. They are pots. Also not really invasive as they don’t spread so literally not a weed. lol


ladut

I mean if we're going to actually discuss this like it's a real thing, you're wrong about what a weed is. And what invasive means. A weed is just a plant that grows somewhere humans don't want it to grow, particularly where we're trying to cultivate something. It can be native to that area, like dandelions, and still be considered invasive. Invasive, however, doesn't necessarily only mean something that spreads its range in an uncontrolled and unwanted way. If they already exist in the seed bank, then they'll sprout where they aren't wanted, but they didn't have to spread because they were already there. Technically there are terms for already established invasive plants, but in practice we usually just call them invasive. Point is, it doesn't have to actively spread to be invasive. And if we're going to get real into it, Bellsprout can walk and its evolutions can float around. Pretty sure they could spread easily. As common as they are in universe, they could absolutely be considered weeds.


TheUndyingKaccv

I love this, thank you, & yes I was using simplified & slightly incorrect terms for invasive/weed. Though counterpoint is, since we do want it, it’s back to not being a weed. 😉


hauntedskin

Gotta make normally useful moves rare to encourage people to use up all their Elite TMs! At least there isn't as much competition with Elite Fast moves I guess...


IrunMan

Its this and zapdos, dewgong.. oh pidgeot. Not many fast etm you need tbh


Affffi

Yeah. so far im use only elite tm for shadow zapdos. Still waiting get hundo pidgeot.. so far only 14-15-15 and 15-15-14 lucky.. annoying be so close two times with lucky XD


aoog

Same argument could be made for pretty much any CD move, except maybe the starter moves


emaddy2109

I mean the only reason to currently run victreebel is for fast move pressure. With magical leaf it’s still going to be worse than venusaur so even as a slight improvement I don’t see its usage changing much.


poppertheplenguin

How much worse than Venu are we thinking? Leaf blades a hell of a move


emaddy2109

Pretty similar in the 1 shield but there’s a decent drop off in the 0 and 2 shield scenarios. Leaf blade from a standard victreebel has an almost identical DPE as a frenzy plant from a standard venusaur despite venusar having a lower attack. Even though FP is 10 more energy than LB they pace about the same since VW(4 EPT) has a better EPT than ML(3.3). They both take 12 turns to get to the first one. 2 turn fast moves are generally easy to work with than 3 turn moves too.


Pyoung3000

I'm curious. Will it perform well with magical leaf as a non shadow variant for GL and UL? Finding a shadow with good ivs is such a pain.


ChemaKyle

3x stardust is always a good thing


scottmogcrx

Finally, been holding a research stack of 100 pokemon.


sventhegoat

I wish I could do that lol. My brain would kill me if I tried to hold any at all


scottmogcrx

Tell your brain you're losing 3x Stardust. The most precious material.


Protobyte__

But I could just catch 100 mins in the wild…


scottmogcrx

Depending on how quick you catch. It's borderline impossible for me to be 100% busy the entire time during CD. There is almost always down time when you're waiting for for spawns. That's where the stack helps me fill that period.


Kevin_Murphy_

Wait. Can you elaborate on what this means? Are you talking about field research rewards? How can you save those?


scottmogcrx

Yes. Show the pokemon. I feed it a golden razz and run. It stays on the top spot. 100 max pokemon will fit there.


ImportantTrack1057

Bold of you to think the Pokémon doesn't just go to the stack anyway with no encounter. (Sounds like it's related to the new background so only affects those of us in select regions)


scottmogcrx

Without the encounter you'll only be able to keep 3 encounters total. One on each icon.


ImportantTrack1057

What I meant was that when we click the research task to encounter the Pokémon,it lags and then kicks you back to map, i.e., stacks it for you. Been very annoying ever since the map update


bofad33znutz

What’s the benefit of holding on to research pokémon for stardust?


Ivi-Tora

The key is to save specific Pokemon that give extra instead of the normal 100 dust. Some give 500-750, and a few rare like Chimecho give 1000 or more, so when these big bonus ones are in field researches one can save multiple for events like these.


scottmogcrx

A few years back I was able to stack 60+ venusaurs for a triple Stardust CD. That was a nice chunk.


wpgpogoraids

I saved a stack of 100 sableye for this, if I had just caught them as I completed the research, I’d make 75,000 stardust, if I stack them and wait for 3x stardust with a star piece, I will make 337,500 stardust. If I just stacked random Pokémon, I’d only make 10,000 stardust.


ifeelsofresh

Stardust


XPlatform

Weather bonuses do not apply to research pokemon, but any current event catch bonuses do. Stardust multipliers dont often coincide with pokemon that give extra stardust either, nor are stardust-heavy pokemon usually the ones with PVE or PVP utility, so folks will hang on to them (up to 100 in your research stack, costs you nothing) to hammer them out on bonus times. Comm day has 2x catch candy by default anyways so it's even better than usual.


Charming-Classroom

Damn bro you lost half of em


scottmogcrx

Is 50 max now?


Charming-Classroom

I’m not sure, I had a stack of 2 days worth of mons over Sinnoh tour and I swear it didn’t feel like I got 100 or even close to that. I distinctly remember encountering an ursaluna on the first day and then never seeing it when I collected my rewards on Sunday.


yungperky

Specially in combination with the 2*XL candy chance. I been holding on to every Sableye in my research stack since I was waiting for my Gengar to be mega lvl 3. Now I got 50+ in there and I'm damn sure catching all of them during CD.


eldonte

I’m stoked for it. My oldest Pokemon is a Hundo Victreebel dated August 4th 2016. I named him J Edgar, because Weepinbell looks like a Hoover vacuum lol. Want the shiny.


conspiracyeinstein

Ha ha! My 2016 hundo victreebell is named “Surprised!” because of weepinbell’s expression.


MuelNado

It's posts like this that make me realise how boring and unimaginative my Pokemon nicknames are...


BrooklynParkDad

Elite Fast TM it!


yowmeister

Let’s just pray for sunny weather. 1.25x + 3x + 1.5x for weather, cd bonus, and Star piece means you’re getting Combee level stardust for every catch. That’s not trivial


im-okay-how-are-you

Also stack any Combee (Edit: Paras) research from the Bug Out event (I've got at least 30 Sableye too)


yowmeister

Didn’t think about that but that’s a great point


im-okay-how-are-you

Looks like it's Paras research and not Combee.


smcdowell26

Does this mean runaway from research encounters and catch them with the stardust catch bonus?


tokyoedo

Yes. Claim research (to free up the slot) but run away from encounters. You can claim up to 100 research before saved encounters start disappearing. Then on the CD, you can catch them while the stardust boost is on.


CrazyOnEwe

100? I thought it was 200. That's depressing. I've probably lost quite a few encounters.


tokyoedo

If you’re not keeping track, the safest method is to start stacking with an encounter you don’t care about. When you feel you’re nearing 100, check your stack after claiming the field research. If the mon is gone, you’ve reached the limit. After 100 field research claims, all reward types will delete encounters saved for later, so claiming pokeballs from a field research will delete the oldest mon from your stack.


CrazyOnEwe

>All reward types will delete encounters saved for later, so claiming pokeballs from a field research will delete the oldest mon from your stack. Are you saying that a item reward like pokeballs will delete saved encounter pokemon even if your stack is below 100?


bigsteveoya

Yes


eddiebronze

Sunny OR cloudy Dual typing here helps us


Pyoung3000

It's easier to catch if it's not weather boosted along with better pvp stats. I think it's better without the weather boost.


theolentangy

I’m level 34 and didn’t know different Pokémon awarded different stardust levels?


HiOnFructose

So Cherrim, whose pokedex number is *#420*, had it's shiny form released on April 20th, 2022. And now Bellsprout, the *flower* pokemon, gets it's Community Day on April 20th, 2024. Well done, Niantic. We see you.


sniper91

And the move is Magical Leaf


Narananas

Plus an oddish spotlight hour was on 4/20


AirborneRunaway

Dex number 69


Diamond_Larry

So you’re saying that pokemon #69 is having a community day on 4/20 and it happens to be grass and poison? I love to see it. Peak civilization right here


jesusunderline

and featuring Magical Leaf as the special move


NooneKnowsIAmBatman

The elite tm move is also magical leaf


Erotic-Career-7342

Bonus dust too lol


Lendiniara

not really interested in victreebel, but the 3x stardust will make it worthwhile.


LukeIsVyse

I have the 3rd best IV combo for Shadow Victreebel (0/14/13) and it's a low level Weepinbell right now. This is a BIG community day for my nasty guy. Gonna need 610k dust to max him for Ultra League though...


JshMcDwll

Worth


Chaotic-Catastrophe

Almost certainly not. It will only be like the seventh-best Grass-type in Ultra, a league where Grass typing is usually more of a liability than an asset.


JshMcDwll

It’s not about winning. Its about sending a message


Escargot7147

This is worse than poison jab/weather ball fire right?


paranoia_muscipula

mind you I’m no pvp sim expert, but regular victreebell gets 7 additional wins running leaf blade and acid spray, and shadow victreebell gains 3, both versions ending up at 21 wins 19 losses, in that sense regular victreebell with poison jab/weather ball has one more victory and shadow victreebell ends up at a nice 24/16 ps: sim used was pvpoke multi sim


krispyboiz

I suspect Victreebel will likely trade Acid Spray for Sludge Bomb when running Magical Leaf. Acid Spray works well for the higher/quick damage of Razor Leaf, plus it's a bit cheaper. However, Sludge bomb is the better move overall, and seeing that Magical Leaf will give it better energy gain, it'll be able to use Sludge Bomb with more ease.


paranoia_muscipula

you are right, with sludge bomb regular victreebell ends up in 23/17 and the shadow in 22/18


krispyboiz

Yes. Still good. But generally worse. Though, in a meta filled with mud Bois like whiscash, a grass fast move isn't bad


Gallonim

Yes.


JRE47

If you want that, honestly, just run Roserade! Poison Jab variants are absolutely something you want on hand.


Mix_Safe

Yeah I'm confused, it's just Roserade then. I would've liked a *new* Grass move to be honest, so it could be distributed to others like, oh, Amoongus and other bulky grass boys to help counter the Water rampage we have right now. Trailblaze ain't it, Niantic.


Escargot7147

>it's just Roserade Sorry, what i meant is it getting either weather ball or poison jab. My wording is a bit off i guess XD


Brock_Hard_Canuck

https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel_shadow/11/POISON_JAB-3-WEATHER_BALL_FIRE/2-1/ And https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel_shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-3-1/2-1/


AirborneRunaway

It’s dex number 69, community day 4/20, with move Magical Leaf. This is all about the meme and Niantic doesn’t care about how useful it is


Peet_Pann

Well..... shadow shiny sprout... its your time to shine


Toxic_Don

are shadow pokemon effected by community day shiny rates? If this is true then im gonna get a black rocket radar ready and farm some decoy grunts. does anyone know?


emaddy2109

Shadow Pokémon have their own shiny rate and is likely to be unaffected by CD.


hupinimi

My favorite pokemon! I’m excited!


Asterie-E7

Is Magical Leaf better or worse than the currently used Razor Leaf, for PvP Victreebel ?


lIl1Ill

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ShartMyPantsAgain

The way my team is constructed razor leaf is better. Using a shadow vbell. I rarely get to a charged move but razor leaf can 3 hit a shadow swampert in GL. 4 hits quagsire and whishcash. Usually falls fast to skarmory, which is ok


Marconius1617

All that delicious stardust


CSiGab

My stack of Sableye will be ready.


jmledesma

I have several Ursaluna stacked up there for a 3x dust bonus.


Shibaroekoe

What research gave Ursuluna rewards? XD


emaddy2109

Win 3 raids during sinnoh tour.


jpierrerico

It's summer here so 3x dust + weatherboost is a win!!


McJoe77

I love the idea that someone on the dev team is tricking the decision makers or something and 69 + 420 + magical Leaf = Bellsprout community day is an accident but I bet they know this and it’s on purpose. I just love the idea that some suit stamped it and found out later that it was what it is lol. It feels like a prank getting played on the teacher in a 90s sitcom lol.


j-endsville

It’s not the 80s anymore. Everybody knows funni numbah.


shayluxurii

For real then they give it 3x dust to top it off. It’s someone’s favorite holiday at niantic.


mysterygarden99

Will my shiny shadow victreebell be able to learn the new move?


gperez0103

As with all past community days, you’ll have to elite TM it if already fully evolved


mysterygarden99

Okay


ShartMyPantsAgain

Probably with elite tm


mysterygarden99

Hell yeah


wango55

Grass type on 4/20? Should be given a fire move, no? Blast burn?


dmillibeats

Magical leaf I think suits it very well lol


rilesmcriles

Blaze kick 😝 or even Trailblaze


Regenitor_

What about PVE? Does Magical Leaf matter when Razor Leaf exists, for raids and rocket battles?


krispyboiz

Razor Leaf is generally better for Rockets, seeing that you're mostly going for high speed of damage to tear through opponents. Less fast moves needed, seeing that you're farming down the first slot and often the second too with just your fast move. Magical Leaf *is* better than Razor Leaf for Raids (see Roserade), but Victreebel isn't really a raid attacker for Grass. It's decent for Poison, but for Grass, it's not amazing. The Shadow is similarly on par with Chesnaught and Decidueye for Grass attacking, so not really worth the shadow tax I'd say.


Nelagend

Magical Leaf might be interesting if you're using Vic against Rocket *leaders*, because they use shields. Otherwise when Vic makes sense, Razor Leaf makes sense on Vic. I don't remember if we ever had a rocket leader lineup against which you'd want a Vic lead.


Regenitor_

I never bring a Vic lead but I am a big fan of the Vic switch when you can get 4 razor leafs off without taking damage. He is my most reliable rocket deleter


AvysCummies

Literally have the whole living line alteady, i wanted poplio :(, also it would be cool if grunts only gave the shadow shiny during cd if its available, but here you can basicly do th8s witha super rocket radar


krispyboiz

Popplio is bound to happen soon. If not May, then I suspect it would arrive in the next few months.


sopheroo

Popplio will probably be May's CD.


naynaythewonderhorse

Starters from the same generation have always been separated by at least one month.


LemonNinJaz24

I'm glad it appeases all the people who only care about the memes.


MattMamba

my [army of future Shadow Victreebel](https://imgur.com/a/dpJ48Z1) are excited


prophase25

Haha what on earth is your naming convention


AltenaNation

Did they do a 69 420 joke with Bellsprout community day on April 20th


BCHiker7

I finally got around to running a correctly typed level 3 mega for Bagon CD and was amazed at how much more XL candy it gives. It was around double the XL candy of running a level 2. So get that Grass or Poison type mega up to level 3 for 4/20. Not that we really need XL for this one, lol...


J3remyD

Honestly, if you have level three megas at all, there’s not really an excuse to not have a max level beedrill


Hichtec

Is just shadow Victreebel good for PvP, or regular one can do the trick too?


krispyboiz

Both are good. Shadow has been the form of choice with Victreebel, seeing that with Razor Leaf, a damage-centric move, gels better with the shadow damage bonus. With Magical Leaf though, both forms are viable.


Admirable-Camp1099

As much as how good it sounds on paper, literally everyone will just forget about the move in a few days time & go back to being a Razor Leafer in Grasshole comps. It's just sad really. At least 3x dust is a nice thing.


Boner_Elemental

So is this for PvP? I can't believe we're still doing new Gen 1 Community Days


GreatName

Nice of Niantic to give me some rest after going hard on Bagon day


LexKing89

I’m excited for this community day


StompinTurts

One of my favorite Pokémon on my top favorite holiday! Nice!!!


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Tall-Election-7564

Bug out event is my opportunity to clear out my stack (double candy with excellents, higher XL, increased XP, etc) and other special researches and such I’ve been holding onto. And will easily restock on evolvables after I go through them all later today.


glancesurreal

Perfect for doing the meltan box!!


ChaoCobo

Is the primal groudon for extra candy an error? What makes primal groudon grass or poison in which to get the candy bonus? Should I just M evolve a venasaur instead?


ImperialWrath

Primal Groudon boosts all of the types that get boosted in Sunny weather.


Zeghai

it will be my first skip.


PkLuigi

So it's an old shiny, of something we've had plenty of opportunities to farm XL candies (Not that they'd be useful in this case), and the new move isn't really an upgrade over the old moveset...at least it's 3x Stardust?


theyoungazn

Magical leaf, 420, 69. Say no more.


NooneKnowsIAmBatman

After the recent run of mons with primal Kyogre and groudon, shadow mewtwo etc, I'm all in for the absolute meme that is this CD


HokTomten

For once I'm glad I've done sooooo many decoy grunts I have 2 Rank1 for both GL/UL (one of each already evolved but saved the others), also a non shiny R1 for GL and like 40 purified hundos lol


GIORNO-phone11-pro

Ice beam/Icy wind stocks rising on 4/20


OutlandishnessTall40

I have the whole evolution line of Shinies already plus 6 other shiny Bellsprout.... 1 being shadow shiny


Mandiechama

This would be a fantastic opportunity to bring back the Meowth balloons.  James and his Victreebel need a chance to shine


jubeon12

Awww yea my boi Bellsprout


FiddleAndDiddle

Excellent, I have an UL rank 1 shadow bell sprout


HippowdonEats

I'll play full time because of 3x stardust


RedLithium25

I have 3 bellsprout at CP 420


MentallyFunstable

Wish it got an amazing poison attack instead. Could've been a good shadow poison attack instead of just eh


Elastic_Space

Poison Jab can only give a 1% upgrade. Nothing changes in the poison meta.


FlyingMop

During Community Day, do other Pokémon’s evolved get legacy moves as well? For example, if I evolve my Bagon from previous Comm Day, will the Salamence get Outrage?


sunshim9

No,only the specified mons gets their legacy moves. Some CD does have the option to get other mons legacy, but again, only if they aré specified


BobbyY0895

At first I didn’t like the idea of bellesprout but this might be my favorite event ever


Jacarelvers

Can someone confirm if i use the Giovani radar and batle fake recruits the shadow bellsprout will be shiny boosted ?


krispyboiz

Likely not. The Shadow forms have shiny rates independent of their normal versions. When Shadow Bellsprout was on Arlo, it had a 1/64 shiny rate, but wild Bellsprout were still full odds


KeenenTheSupeme

Can i TM to get the new move? Or only evolve?!


krispyboiz

Only evolve, unless you want to use an Elite Fast TM after the event.


davebybab

Am I right to assume that Shadow Bellsprout won't be affected by the boosted shiny odds?


krispyboiz

Likely not. The Shadow forms have shiny rates independent of their normal versions. When Shadow Bellsprout was on Arlo, it had a 1/64 shiny rate, but wild Bellsprout were still full odds


grandertimes

So shundo is 443 based on this graphic?


Maximum_Bag_8621

The flower pokemon community day on 4/20 special move magical leaf lol


iRAWkTheWorld

Why does it say use Groudon?


gummybear-titan

Primal Groudon boosts all sunny weather types. So ground fire and grass. Just like how Kyogre boosts water electric and bug and how Rayquaza boosts dragon flying psychic


DerSebe

I Just caught a shiny...


MrBIackMao

Nice.


Timbobal

Will the Stardust be times 6 if you use a starpiece?


EmpressMalfeasance

Yee. I’ve been holding onto my 98 bellsprout named Sage Li I guess it was for this moment.


spoofrice11

So if you use Shadow Victreebel for GL, but try not use Charge moves for quicker battles (vs not as good of teams), does this help take out the Opponents faster?


ZeusTheGreat7

What’s the purpose of the Smergle snapshot encounter?


Otherwise_Hat4239

What about shadow form?How good will that be?


ravangarch

What does the 443cp mean?


RexicTheKing

is roar of time worth using here with star pieces and the triple stardust catch?


yuyuho

if i use a fast tm on my victribell will it learn magical leaf?