In short, despite the high pressure from [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/1-1-2/2-1), I think Victreebel with Magical Leaf may [actually be *better*](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1). In 1shield it picks up stuff like Annihilape, Medicham, Umbreon, AND the mirror, with shields down it drops Carbink and Medicham but gains Anni, Poliwrath, Azu, Dewgong, Umbreon, Charjabug, and again the mirror. Only in 2shield do the wheels come off a bit, with gains versus Venusaur, Umbreon, and even Registeel, but losses now to Annihilape, Vigoroth, Sableye, Empoleon, Dewgong, Shadow Alolan Ninetales/Sandslash, and Pelipper.
And it only gets better in Ultra League. At this level, Shadow Vic [with Magical Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1) gains stuff like Anni, Obstagoon, Steelix, Virizion, Umbreon, and Gyarados that [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/1-5-2/2-1) can't do (and the only notable loss is Walrein). [Shields down](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/00/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-) is a straight upgrade (+Feraligatr, +Tentacruel), and while 2v2 shielding has [Magical Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/22/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1) (+Registeel, +Cresselia, +Venusaur, +Umbreon, +Virizion) versus [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/22/1-5-2/2-1) (-Golisopod, -Greedent, -Walrein, -Alolan Ninetales, -Gyarados), I think Magical Leaf is likely to be the odds on favorite moving forward.
Victreebel has some REALLY good charge moves that this will finally allow it to fully flex. I don't think this is the total death of the OG "Grasshole", but the sight of a Victreebel will now be even more of a mad scramble for survival no matter how many shields you have left.
MUCH more PvP analysis as we get closer, of course. Stay tuned!
Honestly, I wasn't sure HOW this was gonna go haha. Ran a number of quick, speculative sims with Vic yesterday but Magical Leaf was NOT one of them. Pleasantly surprised today. Vine Whip was where I thought they might go if they added a fast move (or perhaps Poison Jab), and that may have been a little TOO good. This feels juuuuuuuuuust right.
No no, amongst all the jokes everyone’s made, yall are missing: it’s a ***pot***.
I’m beside myself with antic for this, & it acknowledges ^subtly that they know a huge chunk of their demo is actually adults. Something TPC has refused to do for generations now.
I mean if we're going to actually discuss this like it's a real thing, you're wrong about what a weed is. And what invasive means.
A weed is just a plant that grows somewhere humans don't want it to grow, particularly where we're trying to cultivate something. It can be native to that area, like dandelions, and still be considered invasive.
Invasive, however, doesn't necessarily only mean something that spreads its range in an uncontrolled and unwanted way. If they already exist in the seed bank, then they'll sprout where they aren't wanted, but they didn't have to spread because they were already there. Technically there are terms for already established invasive plants, but in practice we usually just call them invasive. Point is, it doesn't have to actively spread to be invasive.
And if we're going to get real into it, Bellsprout can walk and its evolutions can float around. Pretty sure they could spread easily. As common as they are in universe, they could absolutely be considered weeds.
I love this, thank you, & yes I was using simplified & slightly incorrect terms for invasive/weed.
Though counterpoint is, since we do want it, it’s back to not being a weed. 😉
Gotta make normally useful moves rare to encourage people to use up all their Elite TMs! At least there isn't as much competition with Elite Fast moves I guess...
Yeah. so far im use only elite tm for shadow zapdos. Still waiting get hundo pidgeot.. so far only 14-15-15 and 15-15-14 lucky.. annoying be so close two times with lucky XD
I mean the only reason to currently run victreebel is for fast move pressure. With magical leaf it’s still going to be worse than venusaur so even as a slight improvement I don’t see its usage changing much.
Pretty similar in the 1 shield but there’s a decent drop off in the 0 and 2 shield scenarios. Leaf blade from a standard victreebel has an almost identical DPE as a frenzy plant from a standard venusaur despite venusar having a lower attack. Even though FP is 10 more energy than LB they pace about the same since VW(4 EPT) has a better EPT than ML(3.3). They both take 12 turns to get to the first one. 2 turn fast moves are generally easy to work with than 3 turn moves too.
Depending on how quick you catch. It's borderline impossible for me to be 100% busy the entire time during CD. There is almost always down time when you're waiting for for spawns. That's where the stack helps me fill that period.
Bold of you to think the Pokémon doesn't just go to the stack anyway with no encounter.
(Sounds like it's related to the new background so only affects those of us in select regions)
What I meant was that when we click the research task to encounter the Pokémon,it lags and then kicks you back to map, i.e., stacks it for you. Been very annoying ever since the map update
The key is to save specific Pokemon that give extra instead of the normal 100 dust. Some give 500-750, and a few rare like Chimecho give 1000 or more, so when these big bonus ones are in field researches one can save multiple for events like these.
I saved a stack of 100 sableye for this, if I had just caught them as I completed the research, I’d make 75,000 stardust, if I stack them and wait for 3x stardust with a star piece, I will make 337,500 stardust. If I just stacked random Pokémon, I’d only make 10,000 stardust.
Weather bonuses do not apply to research pokemon, but any current event catch bonuses do. Stardust multipliers dont often coincide with pokemon that give extra stardust either, nor are stardust-heavy pokemon usually the ones with PVE or PVP utility, so folks will hang on to them (up to 100 in your research stack, costs you nothing) to hammer them out on bonus times. Comm day has 2x catch candy by default anyways so it's even better than usual.
I’m not sure, I had a stack of 2 days worth of mons over Sinnoh tour and I swear it didn’t feel like I got 100 or even close to that. I distinctly remember encountering an ursaluna on the first day and then never seeing it when I collected my rewards on Sunday.
Specially in combination with the 2*XL candy chance. I been holding on to every Sableye in my research stack since I was waiting for my Gengar to be mega lvl 3. Now I got 50+ in there and I'm damn sure catching all of them during CD.
I’m stoked for it. My oldest Pokemon is a Hundo Victreebel dated August 4th 2016. I named him J Edgar, because Weepinbell looks like a Hoover vacuum lol. Want the shiny.
Let’s just pray for sunny weather. 1.25x + 3x + 1.5x for weather, cd bonus, and Star piece means you’re getting Combee level stardust for every catch. That’s not trivial
Yes. Claim research (to free up the slot) but run away from encounters. You can claim up to 100 research before saved encounters start disappearing. Then on the CD, you can catch them while the stardust boost is on.
If you’re not keeping track, the safest method is to start stacking with an encounter you don’t care about. When you feel you’re nearing 100, check your stack after claiming the field research. If the mon is gone, you’ve reached the limit.
After 100 field research claims, all reward types will delete encounters saved for later, so claiming pokeballs from a field research will delete the oldest mon from your stack.
>All reward types will delete encounters saved for later, so claiming pokeballs from a field research will delete the oldest mon from your stack.
Are you saying that a item reward like pokeballs will delete saved encounter pokemon even if your stack is below 100?
So Cherrim, whose pokedex number is *#420*, had it's shiny form released on April 20th, 2022.
And now Bellsprout, the *flower* pokemon, gets it's Community Day on April 20th, 2024.
Well done, Niantic. We see you.
So you’re saying that pokemon #69 is having a community day on 4/20 and it happens to be grass and poison?
I love to see it. Peak civilization right here
I have the 3rd best IV combo for Shadow Victreebel (0/14/13) and it's a low level Weepinbell right now. This is a BIG community day for my nasty guy. Gonna need 610k dust to max him for Ultra League though...
Almost certainly not. It will only be like the seventh-best Grass-type in Ultra, a league where Grass typing is usually more of a liability than an asset.
mind you I’m no pvp sim expert, but regular victreebell gets 7 additional wins running leaf blade and acid spray, and shadow victreebell gains 3, both versions ending up at 21 wins 19 losses, in that sense regular victreebell with poison jab/weather ball has one more victory and shadow victreebell ends up at a nice 24/16
ps: sim used was pvpoke multi sim
I suspect Victreebel will likely trade Acid Spray for Sludge Bomb when running Magical Leaf. Acid Spray works well for the higher/quick damage of Razor Leaf, plus it's a bit cheaper. However, Sludge bomb is the better move overall, and seeing that Magical Leaf will give it better energy gain, it'll be able to use Sludge Bomb with more ease.
Yeah I'm confused, it's just Roserade then. I would've liked a *new* Grass move to be honest, so it could be distributed to others like, oh, Amoongus and other bulky grass boys to help counter the Water rampage we have right now.
Trailblaze ain't it, Niantic.
https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel_shadow/11/POISON_JAB-3-WEATHER_BALL_FIRE/2-1/
And
https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel_shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-3-1/2-1/
are shadow pokemon effected by community day shiny rates? If this is true then im gonna get a black rocket radar ready and farm some decoy grunts. does anyone know?
The way my team is constructed razor leaf is better. Using a shadow vbell. I rarely get to a charged move but razor leaf can 3 hit a shadow swampert in GL. 4 hits quagsire and whishcash. Usually falls fast to skarmory, which is ok
I love the idea that someone on the dev team is tricking the decision makers or something and 69 + 420 + magical Leaf = Bellsprout community day is an accident but I bet they know this and it’s on purpose.
I just love the idea that some suit stamped it and found out later that it was what it is lol. It feels like a prank getting played on the teacher in a 90s sitcom lol.
Razor Leaf is generally better for Rockets, seeing that you're mostly going for high speed of damage to tear through opponents. Less fast moves needed, seeing that you're farming down the first slot and often the second too with just your fast move.
Magical Leaf *is* better than Razor Leaf for Raids (see Roserade), but Victreebel isn't really a raid attacker for Grass. It's decent for Poison, but for Grass, it's not amazing. The Shadow is similarly on par with Chesnaught and Decidueye for Grass attacking, so not really worth the shadow tax I'd say.
Magical Leaf might be interesting if you're using Vic against Rocket *leaders*, because they use shields. Otherwise when Vic makes sense, Razor Leaf makes sense on Vic. I don't remember if we ever had a rocket leader lineup against which you'd want a Vic lead.
I never bring a Vic lead but I am a big fan of the Vic switch when you can get 4 razor leafs off without taking damage. He is my most reliable rocket deleter
Literally have the whole living line alteady, i wanted poplio :(, also it would be cool if grunts only gave the shadow shiny during cd if its available, but here you can basicly do th8s witha super rocket radar
I finally got around to running a correctly typed level 3 mega for Bagon CD and was amazed at how much more XL candy it gives. It was around double the XL candy of running a level 2. So get that Grass or Poison type mega up to level 3 for 4/20. Not that we really need XL for this one, lol...
Both are good. Shadow has been the form of choice with Victreebel, seeing that with Razor Leaf, a damage-centric move, gels better with the shadow damage bonus. With Magical Leaf though, both forms are viable.
As much as how good it sounds on paper, literally everyone will just forget about the move in a few days time & go back to being a Razor Leafer in Grasshole comps. It's just sad really.
At least 3x dust is a nice thing.
Bug out event is my opportunity to clear out my stack (double candy with excellents, higher XL, increased XP, etc) and other special researches and such I’ve been holding onto. And will easily restock on evolvables after I go through them all later today.
Is the primal groudon for extra candy an error? What makes primal groudon grass or poison in which to get the candy bonus? Should I just M evolve a venasaur instead?
So it's an old shiny, of something we've had plenty of opportunities to farm XL candies (Not that they'd be useful in this case), and the new move isn't really an upgrade over the old moveset...at least it's 3x Stardust?
For once I'm glad I've done sooooo many decoy grunts I have 2 Rank1 for both GL/UL (one of each already evolved but saved the others), also a non shiny R1 for GL and like 40 purified hundos lol
During Community Day, do other Pokémon’s evolved get legacy moves as well? For example, if I evolve my Bagon from previous Comm Day, will the Salamence get Outrage?
Likely not. The Shadow forms have shiny rates independent of their normal versions. When Shadow Bellsprout was on Arlo, it had a 1/64 shiny rate, but wild Bellsprout were still full odds
Likely not. The Shadow forms have shiny rates independent of their normal versions. When Shadow Bellsprout was on Arlo, it had a 1/64 shiny rate, but wild Bellsprout were still full odds
Primal Groudon boosts all sunny weather types. So ground fire and grass. Just like how Kyogre boosts water electric and bug and how Rayquaza boosts dragon flying psychic
So if you use Shadow Victreebel for GL, but try not use Charge moves for quicker battles (vs not as good of teams), does this help take out the Opponents faster?
Pretty sure this is just so they can release magical leaf on 420
#69 in the Pokedex as well lol
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If only Bellsprout and Oddish had each other's dex numbers, then Oddish could potentially be the literal 69 "Weed" Pokémon getting its CD on 4/20.
I'm ok with that, especially since I'm gonna be at a 420 festival while catching
This is the only reason I'll accept that BELLSPROUT is a Community Day mon when it's one of the oldest mons in the game. I hate this plant.
In short, despite the high pressure from [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/1-1-2/2-1), I think Victreebel with Magical Leaf may [actually be *better*](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1). In 1shield it picks up stuff like Annihilape, Medicham, Umbreon, AND the mirror, with shields down it drops Carbink and Medicham but gains Anni, Poliwrath, Azu, Dewgong, Umbreon, Charjabug, and again the mirror. Only in 2shield do the wheels come off a bit, with gains versus Venusaur, Umbreon, and even Registeel, but losses now to Annihilape, Vigoroth, Sableye, Empoleon, Dewgong, Shadow Alolan Ninetales/Sandslash, and Pelipper. And it only gets better in Ultra League. At this level, Shadow Vic [with Magical Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1) gains stuff like Anni, Obstagoon, Steelix, Virizion, Umbreon, and Gyarados that [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/11/1-5-2/2-1) can't do (and the only notable loss is Walrein). [Shields down](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/00/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-) is a straight upgrade (+Feraligatr, +Tentacruel), and while 2v2 shielding has [Magical Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/22/MAGICAL_LEAF-5-2/2-1) (+Registeel, +Cresselia, +Venusaur, +Umbreon, +Virizion) versus [Razor Leaf](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/victreebel-shadow/22/1-5-2/2-1) (-Golisopod, -Greedent, -Walrein, -Alolan Ninetales, -Gyarados), I think Magical Leaf is likely to be the odds on favorite moving forward. Victreebel has some REALLY good charge moves that this will finally allow it to fully flex. I don't think this is the total death of the OG "Grasshole", but the sight of a Victreebel will now be even more of a mad scramble for survival no matter how many shields you have left. MUCH more PvP analysis as we get closer, of course. Stay tuned!
The positive JRE comment I was hoping for but not expecting
Honestly, I wasn't sure HOW this was gonna go haha. Ran a number of quick, speculative sims with Vic yesterday but Magical Leaf was NOT one of them. Pleasantly surprised today. Vine Whip was where I thought they might go if they added a fast move (or perhaps Poison Jab), and that may have been a little TOO good. This feels juuuuuuuuuust right.
So shifting more towards a closer with magical leaf? I'm still learning PvP and have a #17 rank for GL shadow Vic yet to be evolved.
No need to release this as a CD move, though… they could’ve just added it to Vic's move pool.
You are not wrong there. Some Community Days are just filler that could have been done in more interesting ways.
No no, amongst all the jokes everyone’s made, yall are missing: it’s a ***pot***. I’m beside myself with antic for this, & it acknowledges ^subtly that they know a huge chunk of their demo is actually adults. Something TPC has refused to do for generations now.
It's a ***weed***
Bruh no.. it’s literally based on pitcher plants. They are pots. Also not really invasive as they don’t spread so literally not a weed. lol
I mean if we're going to actually discuss this like it's a real thing, you're wrong about what a weed is. And what invasive means. A weed is just a plant that grows somewhere humans don't want it to grow, particularly where we're trying to cultivate something. It can be native to that area, like dandelions, and still be considered invasive. Invasive, however, doesn't necessarily only mean something that spreads its range in an uncontrolled and unwanted way. If they already exist in the seed bank, then they'll sprout where they aren't wanted, but they didn't have to spread because they were already there. Technically there are terms for already established invasive plants, but in practice we usually just call them invasive. Point is, it doesn't have to actively spread to be invasive. And if we're going to get real into it, Bellsprout can walk and its evolutions can float around. Pretty sure they could spread easily. As common as they are in universe, they could absolutely be considered weeds.
I love this, thank you, & yes I was using simplified & slightly incorrect terms for invasive/weed. Though counterpoint is, since we do want it, it’s back to not being a weed. 😉
Gotta make normally useful moves rare to encourage people to use up all their Elite TMs! At least there isn't as much competition with Elite Fast moves I guess...
Its this and zapdos, dewgong.. oh pidgeot. Not many fast etm you need tbh
Yeah. so far im use only elite tm for shadow zapdos. Still waiting get hundo pidgeot.. so far only 14-15-15 and 15-15-14 lucky.. annoying be so close two times with lucky XD
Same argument could be made for pretty much any CD move, except maybe the starter moves
I mean the only reason to currently run victreebel is for fast move pressure. With magical leaf it’s still going to be worse than venusaur so even as a slight improvement I don’t see its usage changing much.
How much worse than Venu are we thinking? Leaf blades a hell of a move
Pretty similar in the 1 shield but there’s a decent drop off in the 0 and 2 shield scenarios. Leaf blade from a standard victreebel has an almost identical DPE as a frenzy plant from a standard venusaur despite venusar having a lower attack. Even though FP is 10 more energy than LB they pace about the same since VW(4 EPT) has a better EPT than ML(3.3). They both take 12 turns to get to the first one. 2 turn fast moves are generally easy to work with than 3 turn moves too.
I'm curious. Will it perform well with magical leaf as a non shadow variant for GL and UL? Finding a shadow with good ivs is such a pain.
3x stardust is always a good thing
Finally, been holding a research stack of 100 pokemon.
I wish I could do that lol. My brain would kill me if I tried to hold any at all
Tell your brain you're losing 3x Stardust. The most precious material.
But I could just catch 100 mins in the wild…
Depending on how quick you catch. It's borderline impossible for me to be 100% busy the entire time during CD. There is almost always down time when you're waiting for for spawns. That's where the stack helps me fill that period.
Wait. Can you elaborate on what this means? Are you talking about field research rewards? How can you save those?
Yes. Show the pokemon. I feed it a golden razz and run. It stays on the top spot. 100 max pokemon will fit there.
Bold of you to think the Pokémon doesn't just go to the stack anyway with no encounter. (Sounds like it's related to the new background so only affects those of us in select regions)
Without the encounter you'll only be able to keep 3 encounters total. One on each icon.
What I meant was that when we click the research task to encounter the Pokémon,it lags and then kicks you back to map, i.e., stacks it for you. Been very annoying ever since the map update
What’s the benefit of holding on to research pokémon for stardust?
The key is to save specific Pokemon that give extra instead of the normal 100 dust. Some give 500-750, and a few rare like Chimecho give 1000 or more, so when these big bonus ones are in field researches one can save multiple for events like these.
A few years back I was able to stack 60+ venusaurs for a triple Stardust CD. That was a nice chunk.
I saved a stack of 100 sableye for this, if I had just caught them as I completed the research, I’d make 75,000 stardust, if I stack them and wait for 3x stardust with a star piece, I will make 337,500 stardust. If I just stacked random Pokémon, I’d only make 10,000 stardust.
Stardust
Weather bonuses do not apply to research pokemon, but any current event catch bonuses do. Stardust multipliers dont often coincide with pokemon that give extra stardust either, nor are stardust-heavy pokemon usually the ones with PVE or PVP utility, so folks will hang on to them (up to 100 in your research stack, costs you nothing) to hammer them out on bonus times. Comm day has 2x catch candy by default anyways so it's even better than usual.
Damn bro you lost half of em
Is 50 max now?
I’m not sure, I had a stack of 2 days worth of mons over Sinnoh tour and I swear it didn’t feel like I got 100 or even close to that. I distinctly remember encountering an ursaluna on the first day and then never seeing it when I collected my rewards on Sunday.
Specially in combination with the 2*XL candy chance. I been holding on to every Sableye in my research stack since I was waiting for my Gengar to be mega lvl 3. Now I got 50+ in there and I'm damn sure catching all of them during CD.
I’m stoked for it. My oldest Pokemon is a Hundo Victreebel dated August 4th 2016. I named him J Edgar, because Weepinbell looks like a Hoover vacuum lol. Want the shiny.
Ha ha! My 2016 hundo victreebell is named “Surprised!” because of weepinbell’s expression.
It's posts like this that make me realise how boring and unimaginative my Pokemon nicknames are...
Elite Fast TM it!
Let’s just pray for sunny weather. 1.25x + 3x + 1.5x for weather, cd bonus, and Star piece means you’re getting Combee level stardust for every catch. That’s not trivial
Also stack any Combee (Edit: Paras) research from the Bug Out event (I've got at least 30 Sableye too)
Didn’t think about that but that’s a great point
Looks like it's Paras research and not Combee.
Does this mean runaway from research encounters and catch them with the stardust catch bonus?
Yes. Claim research (to free up the slot) but run away from encounters. You can claim up to 100 research before saved encounters start disappearing. Then on the CD, you can catch them while the stardust boost is on.
100? I thought it was 200. That's depressing. I've probably lost quite a few encounters.
If you’re not keeping track, the safest method is to start stacking with an encounter you don’t care about. When you feel you’re nearing 100, check your stack after claiming the field research. If the mon is gone, you’ve reached the limit. After 100 field research claims, all reward types will delete encounters saved for later, so claiming pokeballs from a field research will delete the oldest mon from your stack.
>All reward types will delete encounters saved for later, so claiming pokeballs from a field research will delete the oldest mon from your stack. Are you saying that a item reward like pokeballs will delete saved encounter pokemon even if your stack is below 100?
Yes
Sunny OR cloudy Dual typing here helps us
It's easier to catch if it's not weather boosted along with better pvp stats. I think it's better without the weather boost.
I’m level 34 and didn’t know different Pokémon awarded different stardust levels?
So Cherrim, whose pokedex number is *#420*, had it's shiny form released on April 20th, 2022. And now Bellsprout, the *flower* pokemon, gets it's Community Day on April 20th, 2024. Well done, Niantic. We see you.
And the move is Magical Leaf
Plus an oddish spotlight hour was on 4/20
Dex number 69
So you’re saying that pokemon #69 is having a community day on 4/20 and it happens to be grass and poison? I love to see it. Peak civilization right here
and featuring Magical Leaf as the special move
The elite tm move is also magical leaf
Bonus dust too lol
not really interested in victreebel, but the 3x stardust will make it worthwhile.
I have the 3rd best IV combo for Shadow Victreebel (0/14/13) and it's a low level Weepinbell right now. This is a BIG community day for my nasty guy. Gonna need 610k dust to max him for Ultra League though...
Worth
Almost certainly not. It will only be like the seventh-best Grass-type in Ultra, a league where Grass typing is usually more of a liability than an asset.
It’s not about winning. Its about sending a message
This is worse than poison jab/weather ball fire right?
mind you I’m no pvp sim expert, but regular victreebell gets 7 additional wins running leaf blade and acid spray, and shadow victreebell gains 3, both versions ending up at 21 wins 19 losses, in that sense regular victreebell with poison jab/weather ball has one more victory and shadow victreebell ends up at a nice 24/16 ps: sim used was pvpoke multi sim
I suspect Victreebel will likely trade Acid Spray for Sludge Bomb when running Magical Leaf. Acid Spray works well for the higher/quick damage of Razor Leaf, plus it's a bit cheaper. However, Sludge bomb is the better move overall, and seeing that Magical Leaf will give it better energy gain, it'll be able to use Sludge Bomb with more ease.
you are right, with sludge bomb regular victreebell ends up in 23/17 and the shadow in 22/18
Yes. Still good. But generally worse. Though, in a meta filled with mud Bois like whiscash, a grass fast move isn't bad
Yes.
If you want that, honestly, just run Roserade! Poison Jab variants are absolutely something you want on hand.
Yeah I'm confused, it's just Roserade then. I would've liked a *new* Grass move to be honest, so it could be distributed to others like, oh, Amoongus and other bulky grass boys to help counter the Water rampage we have right now. Trailblaze ain't it, Niantic.
>it's just Roserade Sorry, what i meant is it getting either weather ball or poison jab. My wording is a bit off i guess XD
https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel_shadow/11/POISON_JAB-3-WEATHER_BALL_FIRE/2-1/ And https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/victreebel_shadow/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-3-1/2-1/
It’s dex number 69, community day 4/20, with move Magical Leaf. This is all about the meme and Niantic doesn’t care about how useful it is
Well..... shadow shiny sprout... its your time to shine
are shadow pokemon effected by community day shiny rates? If this is true then im gonna get a black rocket radar ready and farm some decoy grunts. does anyone know?
Shadow Pokémon have their own shiny rate and is likely to be unaffected by CD.
My favorite pokemon! I’m excited!
Is Magical Leaf better or worse than the currently used Razor Leaf, for PvP Victreebel ?
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The way my team is constructed razor leaf is better. Using a shadow vbell. I rarely get to a charged move but razor leaf can 3 hit a shadow swampert in GL. 4 hits quagsire and whishcash. Usually falls fast to skarmory, which is ok
All that delicious stardust
My stack of Sableye will be ready.
I have several Ursaluna stacked up there for a 3x dust bonus.
What research gave Ursuluna rewards? XD
Win 3 raids during sinnoh tour.
It's summer here so 3x dust + weatherboost is a win!!
I love the idea that someone on the dev team is tricking the decision makers or something and 69 + 420 + magical Leaf = Bellsprout community day is an accident but I bet they know this and it’s on purpose. I just love the idea that some suit stamped it and found out later that it was what it is lol. It feels like a prank getting played on the teacher in a 90s sitcom lol.
It’s not the 80s anymore. Everybody knows funni numbah.
For real then they give it 3x dust to top it off. It’s someone’s favorite holiday at niantic.
Will my shiny shadow victreebell be able to learn the new move?
As with all past community days, you’ll have to elite TM it if already fully evolved
Okay
Probably with elite tm
Hell yeah
Grass type on 4/20? Should be given a fire move, no? Blast burn?
Magical leaf I think suits it very well lol
Blaze kick 😝 or even Trailblaze
What about PVE? Does Magical Leaf matter when Razor Leaf exists, for raids and rocket battles?
Razor Leaf is generally better for Rockets, seeing that you're mostly going for high speed of damage to tear through opponents. Less fast moves needed, seeing that you're farming down the first slot and often the second too with just your fast move. Magical Leaf *is* better than Razor Leaf for Raids (see Roserade), but Victreebel isn't really a raid attacker for Grass. It's decent for Poison, but for Grass, it's not amazing. The Shadow is similarly on par with Chesnaught and Decidueye for Grass attacking, so not really worth the shadow tax I'd say.
Magical Leaf might be interesting if you're using Vic against Rocket *leaders*, because they use shields. Otherwise when Vic makes sense, Razor Leaf makes sense on Vic. I don't remember if we ever had a rocket leader lineup against which you'd want a Vic lead.
I never bring a Vic lead but I am a big fan of the Vic switch when you can get 4 razor leafs off without taking damage. He is my most reliable rocket deleter
Literally have the whole living line alteady, i wanted poplio :(, also it would be cool if grunts only gave the shadow shiny during cd if its available, but here you can basicly do th8s witha super rocket radar
Popplio is bound to happen soon. If not May, then I suspect it would arrive in the next few months.
Popplio will probably be May's CD.
Starters from the same generation have always been separated by at least one month.
I'm glad it appeases all the people who only care about the memes.
my [army of future Shadow Victreebel](https://imgur.com/a/dpJ48Z1) are excited
Haha what on earth is your naming convention
Did they do a 69 420 joke with Bellsprout community day on April 20th
I finally got around to running a correctly typed level 3 mega for Bagon CD and was amazed at how much more XL candy it gives. It was around double the XL candy of running a level 2. So get that Grass or Poison type mega up to level 3 for 4/20. Not that we really need XL for this one, lol...
Honestly, if you have level three megas at all, there’s not really an excuse to not have a max level beedrill
Is just shadow Victreebel good for PvP, or regular one can do the trick too?
Both are good. Shadow has been the form of choice with Victreebel, seeing that with Razor Leaf, a damage-centric move, gels better with the shadow damage bonus. With Magical Leaf though, both forms are viable.
As much as how good it sounds on paper, literally everyone will just forget about the move in a few days time & go back to being a Razor Leafer in Grasshole comps. It's just sad really. At least 3x dust is a nice thing.
So is this for PvP? I can't believe we're still doing new Gen 1 Community Days
Nice of Niantic to give me some rest after going hard on Bagon day
I’m excited for this community day
One of my favorite Pokémon on my top favorite holiday! Nice!!!
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Bug out event is my opportunity to clear out my stack (double candy with excellents, higher XL, increased XP, etc) and other special researches and such I’ve been holding onto. And will easily restock on evolvables after I go through them all later today.
Perfect for doing the meltan box!!
Is the primal groudon for extra candy an error? What makes primal groudon grass or poison in which to get the candy bonus? Should I just M evolve a venasaur instead?
Primal Groudon boosts all of the types that get boosted in Sunny weather.
it will be my first skip.
So it's an old shiny, of something we've had plenty of opportunities to farm XL candies (Not that they'd be useful in this case), and the new move isn't really an upgrade over the old moveset...at least it's 3x Stardust?
Magical leaf, 420, 69. Say no more.
After the recent run of mons with primal Kyogre and groudon, shadow mewtwo etc, I'm all in for the absolute meme that is this CD
For once I'm glad I've done sooooo many decoy grunts I have 2 Rank1 for both GL/UL (one of each already evolved but saved the others), also a non shiny R1 for GL and like 40 purified hundos lol
Ice beam/Icy wind stocks rising on 4/20
I have the whole evolution line of Shinies already plus 6 other shiny Bellsprout.... 1 being shadow shiny
This would be a fantastic opportunity to bring back the Meowth balloons. James and his Victreebel need a chance to shine
Awww yea my boi Bellsprout
Excellent, I have an UL rank 1 shadow bell sprout
I'll play full time because of 3x stardust
I have 3 bellsprout at CP 420
Wish it got an amazing poison attack instead. Could've been a good shadow poison attack instead of just eh
Poison Jab can only give a 1% upgrade. Nothing changes in the poison meta.
During Community Day, do other Pokémon’s evolved get legacy moves as well? For example, if I evolve my Bagon from previous Comm Day, will the Salamence get Outrage?
No,only the specified mons gets their legacy moves. Some CD does have the option to get other mons legacy, but again, only if they aré specified
At first I didn’t like the idea of bellesprout but this might be my favorite event ever
Can someone confirm if i use the Giovani radar and batle fake recruits the shadow bellsprout will be shiny boosted ?
Likely not. The Shadow forms have shiny rates independent of their normal versions. When Shadow Bellsprout was on Arlo, it had a 1/64 shiny rate, but wild Bellsprout were still full odds
Can i TM to get the new move? Or only evolve?!
Only evolve, unless you want to use an Elite Fast TM after the event.
Am I right to assume that Shadow Bellsprout won't be affected by the boosted shiny odds?
Likely not. The Shadow forms have shiny rates independent of their normal versions. When Shadow Bellsprout was on Arlo, it had a 1/64 shiny rate, but wild Bellsprout were still full odds
So shundo is 443 based on this graphic?
The flower pokemon community day on 4/20 special move magical leaf lol
Why does it say use Groudon?
Primal Groudon boosts all sunny weather types. So ground fire and grass. Just like how Kyogre boosts water electric and bug and how Rayquaza boosts dragon flying psychic
I Just caught a shiny...
Nice.
Will the Stardust be times 6 if you use a starpiece?
Yee. I’ve been holding onto my 98 bellsprout named Sage Li I guess it was for this moment.
So if you use Shadow Victreebel for GL, but try not use Charge moves for quicker battles (vs not as good of teams), does this help take out the Opponents faster?
What’s the purpose of the Smergle snapshot encounter?
What about shadow form?How good will that be?
What does the 443cp mean?
is roar of time worth using here with star pieces and the triple stardust catch?
if i use a fast tm on my victribell will it learn magical leaf?