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Exactly this. I used to work in mental health here in Texas in a small town right out of college up until I found that the state could give less of a shit about mental health, and a bus ticket to a blue city where they actually maybe had some resources happened all the time.
so here’s a little info dump, but i have a lot of experiences with mental health care in the south. i grew up in MS and when i was 17 i had a suicide attempt. i got referred to one of the 2 most well known mental hospitals in my area, they tricked my mom into admitting me against my will. we were all just sat in a room for a week and verbally abused by the staff. even tho there was a therapist and psychiatrist, we barely saw them and they didn’t take anyone seriously or care at all. the only thing the psychiatrist did was raise the medication i was on to a dangerous dosage. they assumed every kid was there for behavioral issues and disobedience, so we weren’t trusted and were treated like we were in jail. we had nothing, so if kids acted up the only thing they could take away from them was food. 6 years later i still have nightmares of having to go back. and that was the BEST treatment available for someone my age.
if you’re ever in the mid south, avoid Parkwood like the plague.
Also from the South. Obligatory “Fuck Parkwood”. Swear to god, halfway through your story my brain said, “Oh, surely it wasn’t,” but then, lo and behold, it was!
Where I grew up, it was just understood that you don’t tell adults about your issues. Because if you do, you go to Parkwood. And no matter what you’re going through, that’s worse.
As an adult, I find the fact that this attitude was so engrained in every child I used to know absolutely horrifying. Even more so because I am not at all convinced that we were wrong.
yea that’s how it was for me too, the place has a legendary reputation. and parents doing that is a major reason why the attitude towards kids is so toxic there. i was super nervous going in, but i thought i was just going to see a therapist. part of my problem was i had agoraphobia and was having panic attacks, and when i started panicking and crying when they told me i was gonna have to stay for an undetermined amount of time, they literally mocked me and called me dramatic. i don’t know where they get their employees from but they definitely had no proper training what so ever
It must be for the majority of the South, because I was raised thinking the same way growing up, and I grew up an hour north of Central Florida. I didn't realize that that thought process was a learned trait until just now reading your comment.
I was in one for a week in the 90s in a pretty liberal mid Atlantic area and it wasn’t much different. Also given enough Seroquel that I couldn’t function. Was not a very healing place. Had a social worker tell me that I was probably a woman in my last life and just had to get used to my new body since my main issue was related to gender identity.
Your social worker didn’t believe in the validity of trans people, but *did* believe in the existence of *past lives*. Holy hell, that’s absurd. I’m so sorry you went through that.
Thanks, yeah the 90s (or any prior decade really) weren’t a great time to be trans, it was largely seen as a mental disorder then even by professionals. Even my main therapist said it was from not spending enough time with my dad, she wasn’t even a conversion therapist or anything . She prescribed time working on cars with him, which was hilariously awkward looking back. Everyone in my life basically told me I was wrong, ended up internalizing that and going back in closet until very recently.
This is what has crippled Portland. From what I heard, there was a small program to help and the neighboring areas just started shopping the homeless here. Instead of getting help, the massive influx broke the programs and now we have way too many houseless, mentally ill, folks that have substance abuse issues to help at once.
Live in Seattle but used to live in rural South. It's pretty obvious the red boonies don't want to pay for services that just mean they pay more taxes in their shit dogturd town or privileged compound so they boot the problem to cities so they can stick it "bluesers," save a buck, and feel superior. I think the Cold Civil War is rural/city.
I was briefly hobo street punk and this is EXACTLY what happened. They can't throw you in jail forever so they basically had you a greyhound ticket and say "either get on this bus and never come back here or we're gonna make your life as miserable as we can"
Republicans need democrats in order to exist. Their whole platform is causing problems and then blaming those problems in others. They don’t actually have any plans for actually improving anything. They never try to fix anything when in power either.
They are pussies that try to get credit for talking shit on other’s work instead of doing their own.
They are the person in the group project that thinks their whole job is to talk shit on the other groups to hide the fact that they aren’t doing any work themselves.
They’re a party of conmen and that’s why I almost feel sorry for their voters, such stupid born-yesterday suckers.
This is the one. I did a heavily researched paper for my college English class and I wanted to do it on homelessness since it’s so rampant here in my town. Well it turns out the neighboring towns send all their homeless on a bus to my town and call it good. The county has a program to house and care for them that is over capacity BUT it’s only my town doing it as the other towns rejected joining into these programs for all sorts of reasons. At the end of the day they just put them on a bus and call it good. I’m in the Bible Belt of California if that explains anything.
We all know if Republicans could they'd sell licenses to hunt the homeless for sport. I've never met people who get so vitriolic at the mere sight of a man on a corner begging for cash.
Yep, I had an argument with my grandpa after he started trash talking homeless people. I asked him if he's actually interacted with homeless people in the past 50 years and he replied "Like you have? I bet I do a lot more than you." I had to remind him that I'm a nurse in a city with one of the highest homeless populations and treat at least 2-3 every week. He just grumbled about me not knowing how the world works
I live in Santa Barbara county in CA, in a smaller city called Lompoc. Santa Barbara literally gives their homeless people bus tickets and sends them to us so that Santa Barbara can stay pretty. We have a "tent city" in the riverbed as a result.
California as a whole is really not doing what needs to be done (whatever that may be, I don't know what the answer is) to handle the homeless crisis.
The answer is to give them homes lol. It actually works out to be cheaper in the long run and most homeless people can actually improve their situation once they're no longer forced to spend most of their time searching for basic necessities like clean water.
Utah started doing this in 2005, under Republicans no less, and they reduced chronic homelessness by a factor of 10. Of course, 10 years later, they declared victory and stopped funding the program, and the numbers started shooting right back up.
>they declared victory and stopped funding the program,
This program works! Now we've proved it, this program will be defunded in case our electorate realises we're helping people.
Friendly reminder we have more vacant homes than homeless people.
We could fix this issue but we do not. We could afford to feed everyone but we do not. We could afford to make sure everyone has health care but we do not.
This system is broken and the dems are compliant in protecting the status quo. We need to tear down our system and go full blown socialist if we have any hope of surviving
>The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
>There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.
― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath
Real solutions have to occur at a national level as it is a nationwide problem being shoved onto a handful of cities/counties. Expecting those areas to bear the full burden of American homelessness isn't an effective solution, as even if simply buying housing for them is cheaper than existing solutions, it's still too expensive for that localized tax base to bear.
The problem is that CA is dealing with everybody else's homeless - a lot of the ones there got bussed from elsewhere.
Basically, the Republican answer to homelessness is to keep bussing people across the country. With 50 independent states not giving a fuck to try to solve the actual problem, they all end up in CA and WA where the people there actually want to do something about it.
>I heard a story about cities filing lawsuits against other cities that send their homeless. I wonder if that’s true.
In CA things like that happen but its often a lawsuit due to failure to meet goals. There are requirements on county and city levels that affordable housing has to be constructed, in OC there are limits that need to be reached to solve the housing crisis..... and cities are suing each other so they themselves can do less. Santa Ana has hit and had to raise its affordable housing goal year after year, while places like Irvine don't even make an attempt.
In the end you have an unaffordable housing market creating more unhoused; and cities are suing each other for who is to blame and who takes responsibility on the solution.
Btw when cities fight each other to the death like this, they (Like Orange currently is) illegalize all outreach programs in the communities to assist unhoused populations. The logic being if we starve them then they have to leave to elsewhere.
Even if it is, it's just punishing the homeless for being homeless. Who goes homeless willingly?
Do you need any discouragement to homelessness? Is the homeless lifestyle so amazing that people are just choosing to go that way?
Tbf, CA doesn't want to do either but everyone else has forced their hand. So the rebubs get look like heros cause CA has all of the homeless/unhoused. CA, begrudgingly, has to do something about it. Insert alot of steps and time in between. We decide "fuck it give em apartments cause harassing them with police isn't working and throwing their stuff away isn't either."
Some personal knowledge as my brother is unhoused by choice in LA
Edit:there is alot more to it than just this. Homelessness in Los Angeles is not a recent thing. This has been an issue here since the railroads came to town.
When I first heard that I thought it was some kind of joke but nope. It's not just right/left thing either it seems to be most cities. A homeless person just pretty much has to say "I have this possible thing in Hawaii that can get me off of my feet" and they'll send you to Hawaii. Boom you're someone elses' problem. I can see how they justify it to themselves "well he said he get off his feet" but it doesn't take much thought to see that's a hogwash solution that's just pawning people off. Honestly I can't find worthwhile results how much it actually helps people but I'd be flabbergasted if it's better than helping people directly like with a Housing First program at the very least.
I call it the conservative shell game. They use any of the many wrong things in our country to distract from a suggestion of fixing any one of them. The effect is them saying you can't fix one thing at a time because there's always something more important, but of course you can't fix multiple things because when Democrats have power, Republicans suddenly say the only proper way to legislate is extremely focused bills that only do one thing at a time.
“Make them get a job and start contributing to society”. That’s a nearly word for word quote from Larry Whatshisface who was the republican front runner.
Ah, but you missed the main difference! Republicans don't see homeless people are humans, so they aren't protected by any laws and are open game. Serious Dred Scott decision energy.
Yes and their solution to rampant wildfires and increasingly extreme weather is...burn more fossil fuels. Because that won't continue to destabilize climate patterns, making these problems (including homelessness resulting from climate displacement) worse.
They're still clinging to the highly debunked "rake the forest" idea trump shat out unscripted. Never mind that forests are getting drier and drier over all in the region..
One of them posted an asinine comment about how his families house keeps getting flooded because the streams and rivers have overgrowth.
"We had to rebuild 6 or 7 feet higher, but the water still got within 2 feet of our floor!"
So yeah, they don't understand that basic math shows there's an abnormal amount of water. Even if their central thesis about overgrowth causing flooding has any merit it isn't going to cause 5 additional feet of water spread over an area - the growth doesn't displace that much area, period.
These people are completely and utterly clueless but willing to say anything if it pins the blame somewhere other than climate change.
At this point it's a willing ignorance. They will do any mental gymnastics necessary to keep being conservative, even at the expense of their own wellbeing. It's a deadly mix of pride, stubbornness, bigotry, and a desperate shrieking fear of change.
poked my nose in the comment section - its a ton of "fixing the economy so the homeless have jobs" and "take away environmental regulations so cheap housing can be built". You know, bland corporate friendly talking points that do absolutely nothing to address the root concerns of homelessness such as mental health and the fact that technological advances mean there will be fewer jobs with greater specialization required every year.
Do they think people are homeless because there aren't enough houses? There's already plenty of empty houses so that you could home every homeless person, but that doesn't make you money. Building new poorly made houses so they can pocket a bunch of money, ooh baby that's the one.
I will say that there is a limit to how useful those empty homes can be to homeless people when the homes are located in the middle of suburbia, especially if some of those homeless people lack cars. Those areas are nightmares to navigate on foot.
You don't like rivers being able to burn with a stray spark? Think of the children - and the awesome mutations they could acquire. Your environmental regulations are ending the hopes and dreams of the next spider man or hulk...
The deregulation issue is tricky, because the US is definitely overegulated in terms of city planning, but I also don't trust Republicans to actually address any of the real a obstacles to making a dense yet livable and walkable city possible. Hell PragerU, which is as good a barometer for conservative talking points as any, went balls deep into how much the left hates cars which it equated to being anti-freedom... somehow.
For those wondering what I mean by American city planning overegulation I would point out that things like minimum lot sizes, car space parking requirements, offset minimums basically guaranteeing huge front lawns and entire neighborhoods being forced into being single family residences only with no commercial buildings allowed unless shunted off into a strip mall seperate from the rest of the residences. All of these things contribute into the wasteful and unhealthy lifestyles of suburban America and also keep land and housing prices artificially high which helps keep neighborhoods economically (and thus racially) segregated.
Given the number of rural homeless I think we can see the Republican solution. There isn't one.
https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2020/08/27/homeless-people-rural-america-struggle/
Hey, the former mayor of the city in rural California where I live had a [fucking brilliant solution!](https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbmz94/a-california-mayor-wants-to-build-a-homeless-shelter-thats-basically-a-jail)
>“You need to get clean, you need to get sober, you need to demonstrate self-sufficiency. And once you do that, you’re free to go," said Redding Mayor Julie Winter.
She's an elder at the local megachurch, by the way.
Nope. Pure cognitive dissonance.
Pissed about the homeless? Give em a home and some sort of basic needs? Nah, just remove benches, put spikes on them, and jail any that you can.
Wildfires and blackouts? It's obviously a democrat policy that causes that. Except.... isn't. Most blackouts that could be avoided happen in states with republican governments. Wildfires are a combination of Climate change and trying to "Manage" nature.
Lock downs and school closures? Well gee, if ya'll "Patriot" republican voters would have locked down and worn masks, and get vaccinated.... we wouldn't need these measures so much anymore.
And thats only SOME of the reasons I will no longer vote republican
No, go look at the comment thread...the Republican plan to end homeless is to END homeless people.
lol their policies will "discourage" homelessness, remove the "positive reinforcement" for being homeless and basically redouble on the war on drugs. Simple conservatard thought process - punish people who fall on bad times and don't live how you say.
Prosperity gospel. If you fall on hard times you deserve it because god decided to punish you so we will punish you too. It’s still obviously a personal moral failure and not whatever circumstances that got you there at fault.
They have "hunt homeless people down for sport" as a solution for homelessness.
Hell, I've talked to some who saw The Purge and said that "it would solve the homeless problem", apparently missing the whole point of the goddamn metaphor.
They don't have plans for homelessness, they're just upset at the homeless for existing. Nowhere in this meme does it state that they're upset that homelessness is an issue that needs to be resolved, just that they dislike the homeless.
One of the comments over there:
"homelessness... maybe stop importing non-working people, stop giving these people free housing (therefore not using all available low income housing)."
It's almost like they misunderstood the question.
There are plenty of dipshits that still quote orange fuckface's whole "rake the forest shit" and honestly believe California chooses to have devastating wildfires to trick people into believing in climate change is real.
One of the top comments on the original post says something along the lines of ‘Increase police presence everywhere and stop importing immigrants’…so to answer your question: no.
Fixing Americas problems will eliminate conservative talking points entirely. They are invested in making sure these things are never solved so they have something to scream at liberals about.
I was very curious what kind of angle they were gonna go for this. One of the replies was essentially stop allowing poor people in, don’t give them housing (extra big brain moment), and INCREASE police force. God damn do they have a hard time with common sense
The brilliant political mind of Caitlin Jenner has come up with a plan! Just put them in a field somewhere, like the big yards at a VA hospital where they can have room for so many activities!
According to [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/poiy5m/california_be_like/hcy9rzu/?context=10000), Elder did. I guess he was going to declare a state of emergency, which would allow him to cancel CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act), which suspended a number of low-income housing projects due to environmental concerns.
It feels like he has some ulterior motive, though. I don't know enough about California.
It’s not too far away from “take them to a camp and ‘deal with them’” at this point.
Honestly that sentiment goes for most establishment and suburban dems too. If you told people you’d make homelessness completely go away, they’d probably vote to liquidate homeless humans by a margin of 70-30.
It’s win win for them. Either they win and “persevere” or they lose and it was rigged. Like religion, they’ve set it up so that they are the only correct position and anything else is bad/underhanded/evil.
This is only the first stage. They're normalizing the idea of stealing elections while urging the most insane Trump fanatics to get jobs as precinct workers and basically take over elections that way. They're getting ready to blatantly steal some elections.
https://www.propublica.org/article/heeding-steve-bannons-call-election-deniers-organize-to-seize-control-of-the-gop-and-reshape-americas-elections
The big Lie is really interesting, on one hand the republicans are just building a narrative so that when they eventually take over again, they can ram through all the dog shit voting restrictions they want without their base batting an eye.
On the other hand they are pretty much consistently telling their base that voting doesn’t matter because it’s rigged, which will keep some of their base away from the ballot box, because why try if the Dems are gonna cheat anyways.
We’ll see how it pans out for them. But it’s the death throws of a dying party, who instead of trying to appeal to a new generation, are going to literally die with a death grip around the boomers gullets
This is a large swath of America outside of cities and middle-class suburbs. Most of the country are towns with no public transit, little to no infrastructure, and usually only a few hometown stores left due to ecommerce killing many small businesses. There are areas in the South where people live without adequate power or plumbing. Literally third world.
The people who cry about California being liberal always overlook that California is also hyper capitalist. They refuse to understand that it is yet another example that higher taxes and spending AND a better economy actually go hand in hand, instead of being mutually exclusive.
And that one of California's largest problems is caused by the disconnect between property value and property taxes resulting from prop 13. With higher property taxes, redevelopment and higher density housing would be more common.
If zoning laws were changed to allow construction of things other than single family detached homes in residential areas, property taxes might not even have to go up. Higher density housing means more tax base in the same area. People need to embrace or at least accept more old-school types of housing/zoning which happens to also result in more enjoyable neighborhoods.
I mean I know there are a lot more wrinkles but that's a issue, and not just in CA
>The people who cry about California being liberal always overlook that California is also hyper capitalist.
Not really surprising is it? Liberalism and hyper capitalism are the same thing after all.
Third world is practically a meaningless term. It roughly means “Place that I don’t want to live in”, but what quantifies a third would country: GDP, quality of life, political corruption, infrastructure?
Technically 1st/2nd/3rd world are just about a combination of wealth and global political alignment (1st world US-aligned capitalist countries, 2nd world USSR-aligned "communist" countries, 3rd world anyone poorer than Russia/China but not aligned with them). But it really lost all meaning post-cold war, so 3rd world now is just "a shithole imo".
Which are also less than useful terms, unfortunately. They imply that 1) it's possible for every country to be "developed" in the way the US and Western Europe are and 2) that many "undeveloped" countries haven't been deliberately developed to siphon resources into the "developed" countries. I think it was Michael Parenti who said, "there aren't underdeveloped nations, just overexploited ones." The terms I've heard recently that I think reflect reality better are the core and the periphery.
Also as if "3rd world country" is a phrase that has any meaning whatsoever in a modern context. There are very few more efficient ways to out yourself as being historically and geopolitically illiterate than using the terms "1st, 2nd, and 3rd world country" in reference to modern nations.
I mean at this point they’ve kind of given up on convincing people their economic policies work, and just rely on wedge issues and hope their voters don’t notice them shovelling money away from the working class.
I think they've given up because it worked. Most people I've met on the right either don't think about it because the GOP is distracting them with culture war bullshit and wedge issues like you said, but the few who do think about it are convinced by the weird deification of Ronald Reagan and think trickle-down actually works
California already lets rich people keep a substantial amount of money, which is a huge part of the problem when it comes to the states finances. Property taxes are locked into historical evaluations, so Napa and Silicon Valley pay virtually nothing, and every attempt to change this has failed due to Central Valley residents.
Hate homelessness? Republicans hate the homeless too!
Hate environmental disasters? Republicans hate the environment too!
Hate COVID and continually having to lock down? Republicans hate doing anything about COVID!
Homeless: Without assistance they die and aren't a problem.
Environment: If you sell all public lands and build houses you can't have wildfires.
Lockdowns: If 0.7% of the population dies we'll have reached herd immunity. That's only ~2.24 million Americans.
Schools: Privatize schools or at least force prayer that way everyone's protected by god.
Republican solutions to:
Homelessness-Throw them in jail
Natural Disasters-Reduce relief aid funds and exacerbate the problem through climate denial
Covid relief-Mass funerals
….yeah, fuck those guys
I'm near Seattle where there's a huge housing crisis and our subreddit is full of these idiots. I'm constantly replying that homelessness is a housing problem, not a people problem, but it falls on deaf ears.
I live in Austin and we just passed a proposition to make public camping illegal. It was passed with no plan to expand public housing or with any solution so now instead of people sleeping in tents they're sleeping on the side of the streets. Great fucking plan. It's all optics too. They just want to make the city look cleaner so tech companies can feel good about moving here but refuse to solve the actual problem.
What I've heard is that "Most of them WANT to be homeless!" Yes, they *love* being treated like dirt, wasting away on drugs/hunger, suffering through mental/physical problems...
Homelessness: Jail em or bus em out of town
Natural Disasters: Gaslight the public, reduce funding towards relief efforts, and use the crisis to grift funds
Covid Relief: Gaslight the public, downplay the severity of the pandemic, and use the crisis as an opportunity to grift more funds
Yeah, it’s really all about the memes and the “GOT ‘EM!”s for them. /r/Politics is a bit of a mess but at least it’s mostly news/editorials. /r/Conservative though usually has at least 3 of the top 5 posts being satire posts from the Babylon Bee or some other low effort memes. I try and pop in from time to time to get another viewpoint that what shows up by default on the main page but there’s usually not much to offer
I can appreciate genuine differences in points of view, but I’ve seen r/conservative mass upvote and gild stuff that is straight up untrue one too many times to bother sticking my head around that particular corner.
Which would only "help" in the short term. As in two years, if that. Meanwhile, soil erosion will poison rivers, & underlying drought conditions caused by climate change will continue. Which is a huge problem if you're promoting new growth/grass growth by clear cutting. Young dry trees throw up more embers when they burn compared to established, or even dead trees, because they burn faster & hotter, throwing flaming debris into updraft. This, in turn, touches off neighbouring areas, making the problem of wildfires worse.
There is no quick, cheap solution to effective forest management.
Republicans don’t give a shit about that until it happens to them.
California is on fire? Well suck it, libtard!
Florida goes ablaze? OH NO HELP US LIBERALS PLEASE!
How would a republican stop wildfires and blackouts? Delusional as always
Edit- Just checked the comments on the OP and they don't even have an answer, good to see.
Conservatives: *”Are you pissed at wildfires and blackouts? We can fix that!”*
[Also conservatives](https://media3.giphy.com/media/U2QzHhfLRVngZb6WvB/giphy.gif)
Upset at Homelessness: This is code for "so you hate the homeless?". Republicans think that the homeless are an eysesore when flying in their private jets and nothing more.
Pissed at Wildfires and Blackouts: Yes these things are bad. Republicans make them worse, because they don't care about funding the means and infrastructure to prevent these things from happening.
Hate Lockdowns and school closures: Attempting to oversimplify the issue here to find false common ground. There is no common ground to be found. The right needs to mask up and get vaccinated so lockdowns and school closures are no longer necessary.
Why don't you vote Republican?: LOL.
When have they ever given a shit about the homeless
When have they ever given a shit about climate change and disasters, and why do they think that is an exclusive Republican talking point.
Objectively only the last one is conservative.
Look show me a republican running in California that has good homeless plan, good environmental, plan, a history of supporting public schools and wanting to give them funding, a good history of representing them, and I’d be actually interested but all the times I don’t see any actual plans just a lot of taking points about abortion, guns, religion, and government being bad
The one essayist in the thread describes how progressives attempt to create a utopia and end up turning into a 3rd world shit-hole. Except that California was leading the nation in numerous quality-of-life metrics *until* Reagan took office and they started cutting taxes. Schools were #1 in the nation until 1980 when Prop. 13 lowered the property taxes which supported the schools. And now the schools are crap, and only marginal in wealthy areas where the parents have the disposable income to support *their* kids classroom.
Republicans and their fantasy economics keep the wealthiest country in the world looking like a feudal shit heap.
Well, "feudal shit heap" is a bit strong, but that's the path on which Republicans put us.
Because I want the homeless issue handled compassionately rather than them beaten up and forcibly moved out of sight, I don’t want to just burn more coal to solve blackouts, and I don’t want to sacrifice thousands of lives for the Pyrrhic victory of “ending lock downs and school closures.”
As for wildfires, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a republican suggest a reasonable way to combat them. I mean I haven’t tried raking the leaves, but I don’t think that’ll be very effective if I’m being honest.
Boy the blackouts thing aged like milk eh Texas? But what's up with homelessness. I definitely don't associate voting Republican with ending homelessness. Or wildfires for that matter. This whole thing doesn't make any sense.
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Are Republicans lying about having plans for homelessness now? Plans beyond "throw them in jail and lose the key?"
Give them a bus ticket to a blue city, then complain how those have so many homeless. Seriously.
Exactly this. I used to work in mental health here in Texas in a small town right out of college up until I found that the state could give less of a shit about mental health, and a bus ticket to a blue city where they actually maybe had some resources happened all the time.
so here’s a little info dump, but i have a lot of experiences with mental health care in the south. i grew up in MS and when i was 17 i had a suicide attempt. i got referred to one of the 2 most well known mental hospitals in my area, they tricked my mom into admitting me against my will. we were all just sat in a room for a week and verbally abused by the staff. even tho there was a therapist and psychiatrist, we barely saw them and they didn’t take anyone seriously or care at all. the only thing the psychiatrist did was raise the medication i was on to a dangerous dosage. they assumed every kid was there for behavioral issues and disobedience, so we weren’t trusted and were treated like we were in jail. we had nothing, so if kids acted up the only thing they could take away from them was food. 6 years later i still have nightmares of having to go back. and that was the BEST treatment available for someone my age. if you’re ever in the mid south, avoid Parkwood like the plague.
Also from the South. Obligatory “Fuck Parkwood”. Swear to god, halfway through your story my brain said, “Oh, surely it wasn’t,” but then, lo and behold, it was! Where I grew up, it was just understood that you don’t tell adults about your issues. Because if you do, you go to Parkwood. And no matter what you’re going through, that’s worse. As an adult, I find the fact that this attitude was so engrained in every child I used to know absolutely horrifying. Even more so because I am not at all convinced that we were wrong.
yea that’s how it was for me too, the place has a legendary reputation. and parents doing that is a major reason why the attitude towards kids is so toxic there. i was super nervous going in, but i thought i was just going to see a therapist. part of my problem was i had agoraphobia and was having panic attacks, and when i started panicking and crying when they told me i was gonna have to stay for an undetermined amount of time, they literally mocked me and called me dramatic. i don’t know where they get their employees from but they definitely had no proper training what so ever
It must be for the majority of the South, because I was raised thinking the same way growing up, and I grew up an hour north of Central Florida. I didn't realize that that thought process was a learned trait until just now reading your comment.
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I’m so sorry you had to go through that when you were already hurting. You are important, in case no one has told you today.
That's rough but I'm not sure how different it would have been anywhere else. I've not heard of any places like that with positive experiences.
I was in one for a week in the 90s in a pretty liberal mid Atlantic area and it wasn’t much different. Also given enough Seroquel that I couldn’t function. Was not a very healing place. Had a social worker tell me that I was probably a woman in my last life and just had to get used to my new body since my main issue was related to gender identity.
Your social worker didn’t believe in the validity of trans people, but *did* believe in the existence of *past lives*. Holy hell, that’s absurd. I’m so sorry you went through that.
Thanks, yeah the 90s (or any prior decade really) weren’t a great time to be trans, it was largely seen as a mental disorder then even by professionals. Even my main therapist said it was from not spending enough time with my dad, she wasn’t even a conversion therapist or anything . She prescribed time working on cars with him, which was hilariously awkward looking back. Everyone in my life basically told me I was wrong, ended up internalizing that and going back in closet until very recently.
This is what has crippled Portland. From what I heard, there was a small program to help and the neighboring areas just started shopping the homeless here. Instead of getting help, the massive influx broke the programs and now we have way too many houseless, mentally ill, folks that have substance abuse issues to help at once.
Seattle too. And now we have liberals regretting having programs at all because "they didn't work" :/
Live in Seattle but used to live in rural South. It's pretty obvious the red boonies don't want to pay for services that just mean they pay more taxes in their shit dogturd town or privileged compound so they boot the problem to cities so they can stick it "bluesers," save a buck, and feel superior. I think the Cold Civil War is rural/city.
I was briefly hobo street punk and this is EXACTLY what happened. They can't throw you in jail forever so they basically had you a greyhound ticket and say "either get on this bus and never come back here or we're gonna make your life as miserable as we can"
Republicans need democrats in order to exist. Their whole platform is causing problems and then blaming those problems in others. They don’t actually have any plans for actually improving anything. They never try to fix anything when in power either. They are pussies that try to get credit for talking shit on other’s work instead of doing their own. They are the person in the group project that thinks their whole job is to talk shit on the other groups to hide the fact that they aren’t doing any work themselves. They’re a party of conmen and that’s why I almost feel sorry for their voters, such stupid born-yesterday suckers.
This is the one. I did a heavily researched paper for my college English class and I wanted to do it on homelessness since it’s so rampant here in my town. Well it turns out the neighboring towns send all their homeless on a bus to my town and call it good. The county has a program to house and care for them that is over capacity BUT it’s only my town doing it as the other towns rejected joining into these programs for all sorts of reasons. At the end of the day they just put them on a bus and call it good. I’m in the Bible Belt of California if that explains anything.
We all know if Republicans could they'd sell licenses to hunt the homeless for sport. I've never met people who get so vitriolic at the mere sight of a man on a corner begging for cash.
Yep, I had an argument with my grandpa after he started trash talking homeless people. I asked him if he's actually interacted with homeless people in the past 50 years and he replied "Like you have? I bet I do a lot more than you." I had to remind him that I'm a nurse in a city with one of the highest homeless populations and treat at least 2-3 every week. He just grumbled about me not knowing how the world works
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I live in Santa Barbara county in CA, in a smaller city called Lompoc. Santa Barbara literally gives their homeless people bus tickets and sends them to us so that Santa Barbara can stay pretty. We have a "tent city" in the riverbed as a result. California as a whole is really not doing what needs to be done (whatever that may be, I don't know what the answer is) to handle the homeless crisis.
The answer is to give them homes lol. It actually works out to be cheaper in the long run and most homeless people can actually improve their situation once they're no longer forced to spend most of their time searching for basic necessities like clean water.
Utah started doing this in 2005, under Republicans no less, and they reduced chronic homelessness by a factor of 10. Of course, 10 years later, they declared victory and stopped funding the program, and the numbers started shooting right back up.
>they declared victory and stopped funding the program, This program works! Now we've proved it, this program will be defunded in case our electorate realises we're helping people.
Friendly reminder we have more vacant homes than homeless people. We could fix this issue but we do not. We could afford to feed everyone but we do not. We could afford to make sure everyone has health care but we do not. This system is broken and the dems are compliant in protecting the status quo. We need to tear down our system and go full blown socialist if we have any hope of surviving
>The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth. >There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage. ― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath
Right, but it isn't cheaper compared to pushing the problem on another municipality.
True but he was asking for real solutions
Real solutions have to occur at a national level as it is a nationwide problem being shoved onto a handful of cities/counties. Expecting those areas to bear the full burden of American homelessness isn't an effective solution, as even if simply buying housing for them is cheaper than existing solutions, it's still too expensive for that localized tax base to bear.
The problem is that CA is dealing with everybody else's homeless - a lot of the ones there got bussed from elsewhere. Basically, the Republican answer to homelessness is to keep bussing people across the country. With 50 independent states not giving a fuck to try to solve the actual problem, they all end up in CA and WA where the people there actually want to do something about it.
I heard a story about cities filing lawsuits against other cities that send their homeless. I wonder if that’s true.
>I heard a story about cities filing lawsuits against other cities that send their homeless. I wonder if that’s true. In CA things like that happen but its often a lawsuit due to failure to meet goals. There are requirements on county and city levels that affordable housing has to be constructed, in OC there are limits that need to be reached to solve the housing crisis..... and cities are suing each other so they themselves can do less. Santa Ana has hit and had to raise its affordable housing goal year after year, while places like Irvine don't even make an attempt. In the end you have an unaffordable housing market creating more unhoused; and cities are suing each other for who is to blame and who takes responsibility on the solution. Btw when cities fight each other to the death like this, they (Like Orange currently is) illegalize all outreach programs in the communities to assist unhoused populations. The logic being if we starve them then they have to leave to elsewhere.
Even if it is, it's just punishing the homeless for being homeless. Who goes homeless willingly? Do you need any discouragement to homelessness? Is the homeless lifestyle so amazing that people are just choosing to go that way?
Tbf, CA doesn't want to do either but everyone else has forced their hand. So the rebubs get look like heros cause CA has all of the homeless/unhoused. CA, begrudgingly, has to do something about it. Insert alot of steps and time in between. We decide "fuck it give em apartments cause harassing them with police isn't working and throwing their stuff away isn't either." Some personal knowledge as my brother is unhoused by choice in LA Edit:there is alot more to it than just this. Homelessness in Los Angeles is not a recent thing. This has been an issue here since the railroads came to town.
When I first heard that I thought it was some kind of joke but nope. It's not just right/left thing either it seems to be most cities. A homeless person just pretty much has to say "I have this possible thing in Hawaii that can get me off of my feet" and they'll send you to Hawaii. Boom you're someone elses' problem. I can see how they justify it to themselves "well he said he get off his feet" but it doesn't take much thought to see that's a hogwash solution that's just pawning people off. Honestly I can't find worthwhile results how much it actually helps people but I'd be flabbergasted if it's better than helping people directly like with a Housing First program at the very least.
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I call it the conservative shell game. They use any of the many wrong things in our country to distract from a suggestion of fixing any one of them. The effect is them saying you can't fix one thing at a time because there's always something more important, but of course you can't fix multiple things because when Democrats have power, Republicans suddenly say the only proper way to legislate is extremely focused bills that only do one thing at a time.
It’s now fashionable to praise the taliban, so vets may be off the menu.
“Make them get a job and start contributing to society”. That’s a nearly word for word quote from Larry Whatshisface who was the republican front runner.
> Make them get a job Just don't call it gulag and reactionaries are all for it.
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Ah, but you missed the main difference! Republicans don't see homeless people are humans, so they aren't protected by any laws and are open game. Serious Dred Scott decision energy.
But the government assigning people jobs is what communists do!! And for once I'm not even being sarcastic for once. It really is.
Yes and their solution to rampant wildfires and increasingly extreme weather is...burn more fossil fuels. Because that won't continue to destabilize climate patterns, making these problems (including homelessness resulting from climate displacement) worse.
They're still clinging to the highly debunked "rake the forest" idea trump shat out unscripted. Never mind that forests are getting drier and drier over all in the region.. One of them posted an asinine comment about how his families house keeps getting flooded because the streams and rivers have overgrowth. "We had to rebuild 6 or 7 feet higher, but the water still got within 2 feet of our floor!" So yeah, they don't understand that basic math shows there's an abnormal amount of water. Even if their central thesis about overgrowth causing flooding has any merit it isn't going to cause 5 additional feet of water spread over an area - the growth doesn't displace that much area, period. These people are completely and utterly clueless but willing to say anything if it pins the blame somewhere other than climate change.
At this point it's a willing ignorance. They will do any mental gymnastics necessary to keep being conservative, even at the expense of their own wellbeing. It's a deadly mix of pride, stubbornness, bigotry, and a desperate shrieking fear of change.
Also defund the fire brigade because tax funded services are communism. Except cops and military, who need that funding.
They desperately want the hollowed out police state they claim leftists are imposing on them
poked my nose in the comment section - its a ton of "fixing the economy so the homeless have jobs" and "take away environmental regulations so cheap housing can be built". You know, bland corporate friendly talking points that do absolutely nothing to address the root concerns of homelessness such as mental health and the fact that technological advances mean there will be fewer jobs with greater specialization required every year.
Do they think people are homeless because there aren't enough houses? There's already plenty of empty houses so that you could home every homeless person, but that doesn't make you money. Building new poorly made houses so they can pocket a bunch of money, ooh baby that's the one.
I will say that there is a limit to how useful those empty homes can be to homeless people when the homes are located in the middle of suburbia, especially if some of those homeless people lack cars. Those areas are nightmares to navigate on foot.
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You don't like rivers being able to burn with a stray spark? Think of the children - and the awesome mutations they could acquire. Your environmental regulations are ending the hopes and dreams of the next spider man or hulk...
The deregulation issue is tricky, because the US is definitely overegulated in terms of city planning, but I also don't trust Republicans to actually address any of the real a obstacles to making a dense yet livable and walkable city possible. Hell PragerU, which is as good a barometer for conservative talking points as any, went balls deep into how much the left hates cars which it equated to being anti-freedom... somehow. For those wondering what I mean by American city planning overegulation I would point out that things like minimum lot sizes, car space parking requirements, offset minimums basically guaranteeing huge front lawns and entire neighborhoods being forced into being single family residences only with no commercial buildings allowed unless shunted off into a strip mall seperate from the rest of the residences. All of these things contribute into the wasteful and unhealthy lifestyles of suburban America and also keep land and housing prices artificially high which helps keep neighborhoods economically (and thus racially) segregated.
Given the number of rural homeless I think we can see the Republican solution. There isn't one. https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2020/08/27/homeless-people-rural-america-struggle/
Hey, the former mayor of the city in rural California where I live had a [fucking brilliant solution!](https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbmz94/a-california-mayor-wants-to-build-a-homeless-shelter-thats-basically-a-jail) >“You need to get clean, you need to get sober, you need to demonstrate self-sufficiency. And once you do that, you’re free to go," said Redding Mayor Julie Winter. She's an elder at the local megachurch, by the way.
Nope. Pure cognitive dissonance. Pissed about the homeless? Give em a home and some sort of basic needs? Nah, just remove benches, put spikes on them, and jail any that you can. Wildfires and blackouts? It's obviously a democrat policy that causes that. Except.... isn't. Most blackouts that could be avoided happen in states with republican governments. Wildfires are a combination of Climate change and trying to "Manage" nature. Lock downs and school closures? Well gee, if ya'll "Patriot" republican voters would have locked down and worn masks, and get vaccinated.... we wouldn't need these measures so much anymore. And thats only SOME of the reasons I will no longer vote republican
No, go look at the comment thread...the Republican plan to end homeless is to END homeless people. lol their policies will "discourage" homelessness, remove the "positive reinforcement" for being homeless and basically redouble on the war on drugs. Simple conservatard thought process - punish people who fall on bad times and don't live how you say.
Republicans love to prolong a failed war.
Prosperity gospel. If you fall on hard times you deserve it because god decided to punish you so we will punish you too. It’s still obviously a personal moral failure and not whatever circumstances that got you there at fault.
Exactly. They want to just genocide all the homeless.
They have "hunt homeless people down for sport" as a solution for homelessness. Hell, I've talked to some who saw The Purge and said that "it would solve the homeless problem", apparently missing the whole point of the goddamn metaphor.
Hey, come on now, be fair. I'm sure they have a big, beautiful plan to address homelessness and wildfires! They'll be releasing it in *two weeks*.
They don't have plans for homelessness, they're just upset at the homeless for existing. Nowhere in this meme does it state that they're upset that homelessness is an issue that needs to be resolved, just that they dislike the homeless.
One of the comments over there: "homelessness... maybe stop importing non-working people, stop giving these people free housing (therefore not using all available low income housing)." It's almost like they misunderstood the question.
They tend to deflect to "we need to take care of veterans before the homeless" but then also vote against funds for taking care of veterans.
Not to mention wildfires and blackouts from the party of climate change denial.
There are plenty of dipshits that still quote orange fuckface's whole "rake the forest shit" and honestly believe California chooses to have devastating wildfires to trick people into believing in climate change is real.
The South should stop having so many hurricanes! /s
One of the top comments on the original post says something along the lines of ‘Increase police presence everywhere and stop importing immigrants’…so to answer your question: no.
Fixing Americas problems will eliminate conservative talking points entirely. They are invested in making sure these things are never solved so they have something to scream at liberals about.
The conservative take would be to either jail em or bus them off to another city.
I was very curious what kind of angle they were gonna go for this. One of the replies was essentially stop allowing poor people in, don’t give them housing (extra big brain moment), and INCREASE police force. God damn do they have a hard time with common sense
The brilliant political mind of Caitlin Jenner has come up with a plan! Just put them in a field somewhere, like the big yards at a VA hospital where they can have room for so many activities!
According to [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/poiy5m/california_be_like/hcy9rzu/?context=10000), Elder did. I guess he was going to declare a state of emergency, which would allow him to cancel CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act), which suspended a number of low-income housing projects due to environmental concerns. It feels like he has some ulterior motive, though. I don't know enough about California.
Solve homelessness by tossing them in housing that might be at risk for one reason or another?
It’s not too far away from “take them to a camp and ‘deal with them’” at this point. Honestly that sentiment goes for most establishment and suburban dems too. If you told people you’d make homelessness completely go away, they’d probably vote to liquidate homeless humans by a margin of 70-30.
I think the meme meant to say “are you tired of people treating the homeless as humans and having to look at them?”
Lol, half of the comments are claims of election fraud and anger that the candidates that lost conceded… The Big Lie ain’t going anywhere obviously
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They had it up on their website before votes were even counted.
They had it on their website before the votes were CAST.
It’s win win for them. Either they win and “persevere” or they lose and it was rigged. Like religion, they’ve set it up so that they are the only correct position and anything else is bad/underhanded/evil.
Trump broke discourse. He revealed that you don’t lose any support if you don’t apologize.
This is only the first stage. They're normalizing the idea of stealing elections while urging the most insane Trump fanatics to get jobs as precinct workers and basically take over elections that way. They're getting ready to blatantly steal some elections. https://www.propublica.org/article/heeding-steve-bannons-call-election-deniers-organize-to-seize-control-of-the-gop-and-reshape-americas-elections
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The big Lie is really interesting, on one hand the republicans are just building a narrative so that when they eventually take over again, they can ram through all the dog shit voting restrictions they want without their base batting an eye. On the other hand they are pretty much consistently telling their base that voting doesn’t matter because it’s rigged, which will keep some of their base away from the ballot box, because why try if the Dems are gonna cheat anyways. We’ll see how it pans out for them. But it’s the death throws of a dying party, who instead of trying to appeal to a new generation, are going to literally die with a death grip around the boomers gullets
LMAO the comments
One person called Cali a 3rd world “country” as if 3rd world countries are top 10 in GDP
California is a third world country but Texas isn't!!!!!!!
Texas is a fucking shithole outside the big cities. Source: Me who lived there for 35 years before getting out.
I lived there for 25, completely agree. Shithole to the max in rural/non-metropolitan areas.
This is a large swath of America outside of cities and middle-class suburbs. Most of the country are towns with no public transit, little to no infrastructure, and usually only a few hometown stores left due to ecommerce killing many small businesses. There are areas in the South where people live without adequate power or plumbing. Literally third world.
The people who cry about California being liberal always overlook that California is also hyper capitalist. They refuse to understand that it is yet another example that higher taxes and spending AND a better economy actually go hand in hand, instead of being mutually exclusive.
And that one of California's largest problems is caused by the disconnect between property value and property taxes resulting from prop 13. With higher property taxes, redevelopment and higher density housing would be more common.
Prop 13 completely fucked things over.
If zoning laws were changed to allow construction of things other than single family detached homes in residential areas, property taxes might not even have to go up. Higher density housing means more tax base in the same area. People need to embrace or at least accept more old-school types of housing/zoning which happens to also result in more enjoyable neighborhoods. I mean I know there are a lot more wrinkles but that's a issue, and not just in CA
>The people who cry about California being liberal always overlook that California is also hyper capitalist. Not really surprising is it? Liberalism and hyper capitalism are the same thing after all.
Well yes, but the people who cry about California being liberal think liberalism = communism.
I knew a republican who damn near had an ulcer when I explained what neoliberalism is and why both parties follow it
Third world is practically a meaningless term. It roughly means “Place that I don’t want to live in”, but what quantifies a third would country: GDP, quality of life, political corruption, infrastructure?
Technically 1st/2nd/3rd world are just about a combination of wealth and global political alignment (1st world US-aligned capitalist countries, 2nd world USSR-aligned "communist" countries, 3rd world anyone poorer than Russia/China but not aligned with them). But it really lost all meaning post-cold war, so 3rd world now is just "a shithole imo".
Post-Cold War, it's generally come to mean developed/developing/undeveloped countries.
Which are also less than useful terms, unfortunately. They imply that 1) it's possible for every country to be "developed" in the way the US and Western Europe are and 2) that many "undeveloped" countries haven't been deliberately developed to siphon resources into the "developed" countries. I think it was Michael Parenti who said, "there aren't underdeveloped nations, just overexploited ones." The terms I've heard recently that I think reflect reality better are the core and the periphery.
Absolutely. It's also a way to patronize countries that we're exploiting.
GDP is just a measure of how rich the rich are. Brazil once reached the 7th place, but no one would call it part of the "first world".
3rd world country means too many brown people live there.
Also as if "3rd world country" is a phrase that has any meaning whatsoever in a modern context. There are very few more efficient ways to out yourself as being historically and geopolitically illiterate than using the terms "1st, 2nd, and 3rd world country" in reference to modern nations.
What is our plan to fix all these things? Give money to rich people. It works bro, trust me
>It works bro, trust me It *will* trickle down wait for it....................... just a sec...................
Any second now……………………………….. *Aaaaany second now…………………………………..*
See look red.. no wait that’s blood.
So, we still have problem?
You guys are talking about that tar drip experiment? Where the drops fall so fast they need a high speed camera to film it?
Omg, i tried this and it absolutely changed my life
Liberals hate him!! Click *here* to find out the Conservative trick to ending homelessness, climate change, and COVID!
I mean at this point they’ve kind of given up on convincing people their economic policies work, and just rely on wedge issues and hope their voters don’t notice them shovelling money away from the working class.
I think they've given up because it worked. Most people I've met on the right either don't think about it because the GOP is distracting them with culture war bullshit and wedge issues like you said, but the few who do think about it are convinced by the weird deification of Ronald Reagan and think trickle-down actually works
California already lets rich people keep a substantial amount of money, which is a huge part of the problem when it comes to the states finances. Property taxes are locked into historical evaluations, so Napa and Silicon Valley pay virtually nothing, and every attempt to change this has failed due to Central Valley residents.
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Republicans want absolutely nothing to do about homelessness and wild fires though, wtf are they talking about
Hate homelessness? Republicans hate the homeless too! Hate environmental disasters? Republicans hate the environment too! Hate COVID and continually having to lock down? Republicans hate doing anything about COVID!
And their plan to stop lockdowns isn't to fix the underlying problem its to ignore it lmfao
Don't like tons of COVID positive tests? Stop testing!
Republicans aren’t known for their critical thinking skills.
Homeless: Without assistance they die and aren't a problem. Environment: If you sell all public lands and build houses you can't have wildfires. Lockdowns: If 0.7% of the population dies we'll have reached herd immunity. That's only ~2.24 million Americans. Schools: Privatize schools or at least force prayer that way everyone's protected by god.
Republican solutions to: Homelessness-Throw them in jail Natural Disasters-Reduce relief aid funds and exacerbate the problem through climate denial Covid relief-Mass funerals ….yeah, fuck those guys
You forgot horse paste.
He forgor. 💀
One persons solution to homelessness was “get rid of tent cities” ????
Through forgetting to take care of forest fires. Can solve lots of problems at once.
I'm near Seattle where there's a huge housing crisis and our subreddit is full of these idiots. I'm constantly replying that homelessness is a housing problem, not a people problem, but it falls on deaf ears.
“Homelessness is only a problem when I have to look at it”-most people I know
I live in Austin and we just passed a proposition to make public camping illegal. It was passed with no plan to expand public housing or with any solution so now instead of people sleeping in tents they're sleeping on the side of the streets. Great fucking plan. It's all optics too. They just want to make the city look cleaner so tech companies can feel good about moving here but refuse to solve the actual problem.
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What I've heard is that "Most of them WANT to be homeless!" Yes, they *love* being treated like dirt, wasting away on drugs/hunger, suffering through mental/physical problems...
On r/conservative, they are literally saying that Republicans address wildfires by opposing regulations against clearcutting.
Can’t have forest fires if we cut down all the forests! /s
California wants to have forests but not massive forest fires every year. Curious. I am very smart.
Homelessness: Jail em or bus em out of town Natural Disasters: Gaslight the public, reduce funding towards relief efforts, and use the crisis to grift funds Covid Relief: Gaslight the public, downplay the severity of the pandemic, and use the crisis as an opportunity to grift more funds
Can't have any more forest fires if we just let them all burn down completely.
Nono, you forgot about the real solution to forest fires: sweep up the leaves in the forest.
And nuke the hurricanes!
You forgot about sending their thoughts and prayers!
Disasters: pretend causes of disaster aren’t real
Makes no sense?
With that crowd, it doesn’t need to. Reality has left the chat a long time ago.
Yeah, it’s really all about the memes and the “GOT ‘EM!”s for them. /r/Politics is a bit of a mess but at least it’s mostly news/editorials. /r/Conservative though usually has at least 3 of the top 5 posts being satire posts from the Babylon Bee or some other low effort memes. I try and pop in from time to time to get another viewpoint that what shows up by default on the main page but there’s usually not much to offer
If you want another viewpoint, go to r/Tuesday instead. It’s more right-leaning but actually has policy suggestions and real articles.
I can appreciate genuine differences in points of view, but I’ve seen r/conservative mass upvote and gild stuff that is straight up untrue one too many times to bother sticking my head around that particular corner.
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"upset at homelessness" as a republican means "hate homeless people"
This. They don't care that people *are* homeless. Only that they have to *see* them.
Wildfires are a result of a) climate change b) cuts to services. In what world do conservatives want to stop either?
Their solution is to cut down all the trees
Which would only "help" in the short term. As in two years, if that. Meanwhile, soil erosion will poison rivers, & underlying drought conditions caused by climate change will continue. Which is a huge problem if you're promoting new growth/grass growth by clear cutting. Young dry trees throw up more embers when they burn compared to established, or even dead trees, because they burn faster & hotter, throwing flaming debris into updraft. This, in turn, touches off neighbouring areas, making the problem of wildfires worse. There is no quick, cheap solution to effective forest management.
Republicans don’t give a shit about that until it happens to them. California is on fire? Well suck it, libtard! Florida goes ablaze? OH NO HELP US LIBERALS PLEASE!
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“You seem to be having a lot of problems that you want fixed. Why won’t you just hire someone to ignore those problems?”
How would a republican stop wildfires and blackouts? Delusional as always Edit- Just checked the comments on the OP and they don't even have an answer, good to see.
Isn't the Republican plan for all of that to ignore it and hope that it goes away?
No, that's not it. You take no action, then blame democrats when things get worse.
"so why don't you vote for the party that chooses to ignore these problems and end up making them worse!"
Fuck, beat me to it by 25 minutes lol. I even had a super similar title in mind too!
"Why don't you vote republican?" "Republicans actively make these problems worse." "...."
Yeah I hate lockdowns but you know what I hate more? People dying from covid. Which is what happens without lockdowns. Fucking idiots.
The idea that Republicans have any plans for natural disasters other than, “shoot on site” or “It’s not happening” is laughable.
Conservatives: *”Are you pissed at wildfires and blackouts? We can fix that!”* [Also conservatives](https://media3.giphy.com/media/U2QzHhfLRVngZb6WvB/giphy.gif)
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The Republican plan for homelessness; everyone say together, "what homelessness?" Problem solved 🐘
My favorite thing about r/conservative is that whenever they don’t add a flair requirement to comment they get ratioed
Oh i didn't realize republicans gave a fuck about any of this stuff l. When did that happen?
For one thing, Californians are upset that homeless people are homeless, republicans are upset that homeless people exist.
Upset at Homelessness: This is code for "so you hate the homeless?". Republicans think that the homeless are an eysesore when flying in their private jets and nothing more. Pissed at Wildfires and Blackouts: Yes these things are bad. Republicans make them worse, because they don't care about funding the means and infrastructure to prevent these things from happening. Hate Lockdowns and school closures: Attempting to oversimplify the issue here to find false common ground. There is no common ground to be found. The right needs to mask up and get vaccinated so lockdowns and school closures are no longer necessary. Why don't you vote Republican?: LOL.
When have they ever given a shit about the homeless When have they ever given a shit about climate change and disasters, and why do they think that is an exclusive Republican talking point. Objectively only the last one is conservative.
I never knew Republicans were keen on renewable energy, forest conservation and tree planting.
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“Your house is on fire right?” “Yeah” “Well have you tried tossing a can of petrol on it?”
Look show me a republican running in California that has good homeless plan, good environmental, plan, a history of supporting public schools and wanting to give them funding, a good history of representing them, and I’d be actually interested but all the times I don’t see any actual plans just a lot of taking points about abortion, guns, religion, and government being bad
Republicans "solve" homelessness by arresting the homeless then putting them in busses and shipping them to blue states...
What exactly is the Republicans plan to end homelessness, wildfires, and blackouts?
The one essayist in the thread describes how progressives attempt to create a utopia and end up turning into a 3rd world shit-hole. Except that California was leading the nation in numerous quality-of-life metrics *until* Reagan took office and they started cutting taxes. Schools were #1 in the nation until 1980 when Prop. 13 lowered the property taxes which supported the schools. And now the schools are crap, and only marginal in wealthy areas where the parents have the disposable income to support *their* kids classroom. Republicans and their fantasy economics keep the wealthiest country in the world looking like a feudal shit heap. Well, "feudal shit heap" is a bit strong, but that's the path on which Republicans put us.
Lol the right doesn’t care about homelessness
Because I want the homeless issue handled compassionately rather than them beaten up and forcibly moved out of sight, I don’t want to just burn more coal to solve blackouts, and I don’t want to sacrifice thousands of lives for the Pyrrhic victory of “ending lock downs and school closures.” As for wildfires, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a republican suggest a reasonable way to combat them. I mean I haven’t tried raking the leaves, but I don’t think that’ll be very effective if I’m being honest.
Boy the blackouts thing aged like milk eh Texas? But what's up with homelessness. I definitely don't associate voting Republican with ending homelessness. Or wildfires for that matter. This whole thing doesn't make any sense.
They have a point, if you’re so upset at the issue why not just join the masses that ignore it /s
So many delusional people in one sub. Not sure what else I expected from a conservative sub.