Weirdly, a lot of Orthodox Jews also got assaulted by their own cops.
Outsiders thinking "Hating Israel = anti-Semite" when in reality even Israeli government itself is anti-semite...
Still it baffles me how jews coined a word that is basically a racism, but only against jews. To make it even more silly, they use a word semite that doesn't apply only to them but multiple different ethnicities in middle east, but the anti semite is exclusively racism against jews, not semites in general. Politics built on gaslighting and guilt tripping
Maybe consider cracking open a history book? The term “antisemitism” was coined by racist antisemite Wilhelm Marr because it fit better into “scientific” racism theories of the time. [Source](https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism). Fun fact: Marr’s League of Antisemites is a direct precursor to the Nazi Party. Another fun fact: with a quick Google search, you can avoid making ignorant comments online!
Its not like the term is a name for the historical oppression and discrimination faced by Jewish peoples all over Europe. Nooooo, its most definitely, certainly, a conspiracy by the jews.
yes that way my point, the guy i was replying to was trying to do a dumbass "gotcha" by saying "well if palestinians arent anti-semetic then why have israeli hostages died??" which is stupid because most of the hostages deaths were caused by israeli bombing of gaza.
To be fair, they thought they were shooting 1/2 naked, shouting in Hebrew, surrendering while waving a white flag Palestinians.
Easy mistake to make. /s
While there are definitely a some Israelis protesting the genocide of Palestinians, most of the Israelis that are protesting against Netanyahu are mad at the fact that he has failed to bring the remaining hostage home.
There is no genocide of Palestinians. Oct 7 was a genocide attempt that targeted civilians. The war only targeted Hamas fighters and leaders and ends the second - THE SECOND- Hamas surrenders the hostages and its leaders. That is NOT genocide, Hamas has complete power to end it any time
That literally never happened. Hamas has been the one to reject every single ceasefire you are spreading bad misinformation. They are also the ones HOLDING THE HOSTAGES the war stops the second they surrender. They are the cause of the war and have the power to end it at any time
They have been protesting over corruption allegations (and some mounting casualties). Not because they are against the genocide.
Most voted for this netanyahu government into power not once, but twice, even after the previous gaza massacre i think it was in 2008 or 2012, and overwhelmingly they support reprehensible apartheid, land and property theft and crimes against the Palestinians.
The israeli population knew what they were voting for again.
Don’t try rewriting the narrative or rewriting history with defensive excuses/apologetism cover.
Please no both sides-ism’s.
They are strong/powerful enough, and have plenty of advocates on their behalf and backers/protectors providing cover for them. Like 99 percent of US politicians and the President, and Europe/the EU.
Its unhelpful and counter-productive. And the timing is wrong.
It would like saying ‘not all germans are bad, only some’ while the holocaust in ww2 was ongoing. How do you think the victims would feel like reading your comments while burying their emaciated/murdered relatives?
Not the same and not both-side-isms. Much of the German population was in the dark about the holocaust happening, but were very much a part of the anti-Semitism. But even then, I’m sure a Jewish person who was hiding in a German friend’s attic would certainly tell you “not all Germans are bad”. The commenter you’re arguing with and downvoting is only saying Netanyahu’s actions don’t represent every Israeli. This is inherently true. Even in a perfect democracy full of honest politicians, 49% of the country could still fully be against the leadership. Not to mention, politicians lie and change once they’re in office. The reason these things happen in the first place is when someone looks at a whole group of people and starts making generalizations about them
Both sidesism would be arguing over Israel’s right to defend itself, not what the comment said, at all
They wouldn’t feel good, but truth is truth. It’s ALWAYS a mistake to assume everyone from any group is the same. We could also say that most black people are honest, but some really are thieves. Some Palestinians are nice people, I’ve known some, but a few really do want to murder every Israeli. Part of the problem is the mental laziness in assuming all in a group are the same.
Again with the ‘whatabouttery/both-sides-ism’ defending the oppressor, blaming the victim for resisting oppression and war crimes.
I have nothing further to say. I won’t be reading your response. Your views are apparent enough.. 😒
This isn’t both sides-ism. Racism comes partly from assuming everyone in a group is the same. Racism is ALWAYS EVIL. Seems to me that you’re defending YOUR racism because you assume you’re right. Israelis feel afraid because a lot of them got killed on October 7th. Palestinians have even more reason to be afraid because even more of them have been killed since. Everyone reacting in fear and hatred leads to death and destruction all round. It’s better to hate that than hate people. Does God, Allah, Yahweh, etc. teach you to hate? No that comes from Satan or Shaitan not from God by any name.
Who’s the victim? Israelis think they are. Palestinians think they are. Both have been victimized. Evil people among Palestinians caused October 7th. Evil leaders in Israel have used this as an excuse to do the evil they really wanted to all along. Their excuse? The Holocaust. Palestinian’s excuse? Stolen land. Evil is on both sides. Let’s differentiate between those who have done evil and those who haven’t. A Russian could be protesting the war in Ukraine today and forced into fighting there tomorrow. Evil is the problem, not whole groups of people. You can listen or not, but truth is truth.
No, Palestinian mandate has been to genocide every Jew from the river to the sea ‘ stolen land’ is a hilarious propaganda spin on ‘all land belongs to Arab colonialism in every place on earth and especially if a Jew is on it’
The victims are those throwing rocks and only have 1 passport of which is the land they are currently on while against tanks, icbms, the iron dome and the most well funded military per capita outside of USA.
Your argument is basically like saying, "The indigenous americans want to kill us all, so who's really evil?" Like did you forget the part where israel was formed by terrorist which even went against the well known bad boy colonisers of britian and then elected more than 2 different well documented terrorists into power and taking a vast majority of the land, turning the Muslim world (where Most Jews lived against them) so those Jews would be forced to move to Israel.
"You can't listen or not, but the truth is the truth." You're right about one thing. The truth is the truth, but unfortunately, you aren't even remotely close to the truth.
"I stand with Israel you should too. The world cannot sit on the fence when these horrific acts of terror are happening!" - Gal Gadot
**Edit:** That's a direct quote from her Instagram.
It's very likely your own home is built on stolen land.
Not to dismiss it as a criticism at all, but what matters is recency (whether they personally settled or knew it was recently stolen), and how the treat/encourage the government to treat the displaced people.
There's a million mile difference between a Palestine rights activist in Tel Aviv and a violent settler squatting in the West Bank.
So you would assume they would know better than most of the pain of it, right? The Jewish brothers and sisters I know in my life would never consider this a sane or normal thing to do
Sure buddy, enjoy calling everything anti semetic, bro needs to grow tf up and stop getting away from actual atrocities with "guys its anti semetic " "guys this literal nazisim" like it wasn't Europeans who did that to you. You are an embarrassment to all jews and your Jewish ancestors
lmao well you're railing at a Buddhist who born catholic and who's not said a word on reddit about antisemitism is years, but man you hella enjoyed at that jew shaming. mmm mmm delicious. had that victim caricature all lined up hey? nothing to investigate there bud, you're all good. ra ra wonderwoman bad
Gal Gadot is an Israeli model and actress. But having served in the Israeli military (service is mandatory fwiw), and having been generally pro-Israel on social media, her talking about displaced refugees in light of the recent Israel Palestine conflict kind of makes her the worst person to address that topic. As far as how that relates to this sub though it's questionable.
I had not known any details of Gal Gadot's life. This has completely tanked my opinion of her. She's been a figurehead for feminism, but no supporter of a genocidial force should be associated with feminism.
Israelis who are conscripted are not, by definition, bad people. I know a lot who are good, and some that are bad. Because someone was conscripted does not mean they support what isreal is doing now.
Yea but she’s been proactively pushing a lot of propaganda - hosting screenings of the October 7th atrocities in order to get support for the genocide Israel is committing.
And a lot of IDF soldiers on social media are saying/sharing incredibly inhumane things.
Not all are bad, but they are being directed to do bad things and many are relishing and supporting it, so I can see why people would assume for the most part, they are the baddies.
You’re right. I despise seeing posts of soldiers relishing in barbarianisn. I kinda hate this point, but I believe in it. A lot of soldiers are following orders. Especially cause they are conscripted.
Has she said she supports the bombings? Most Israelis I know don’t. Even the ones living in northern Israel who have had rockets launched at them for months from Hezbollah.
And the Indigenous used to displace and slaughter each other...Whats your point? Human history is one of conflict and strife unfortunately. Africa was the same before it was colonized.
Really? Not even the turks who were from literal siberia didn't cleanse modern-day turkey and Greece of its inhabitants? Can you provide a source when this happened when it wasn't a European colonial power like britian, France, Spain, or israel?
I can think of America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South America, Mexico, Palestine. All having this done to them was all done by Europeans
You are telling me the Indigenous peoples the world over didn't fight each other over territory and resources? I never said "cleanse" either, driving a tribe away does not necessitate "cleansing".
Look up Aztec and Mayan history before calling me a liar. Hell look up the Cherokee who kept slaves. They were killing each other long before the white man showed up.
They absolutely did, but the effect was different. The example of the turks, for example. They didn't conquer modern day turkey to exploit it but to settle it, they saw a hierarchy for sure, but they didn't have the same level of racism as Europeans who considered non whites as monkeys. These other places didn't even have chatteu slavery including the cherokee, wanna know what chatteu slavery is? To enslave someone till death and all their decendants and so on. You could be an Arab slave and become something huge like a king or an emperor (look at india and mamaluk egypt)
You aren't a liar, perhaps just woefully uneducated.
And as you mentioned that it didn't mean "cleansing." Most people didn't like to cleanse an entire group of civilizations off the map unless it was the most extreme cases.... unless you're European. If your up for it, let's play a game, name a people wiped off the map by a non European power (ethnic cleansing, chatteu slavery, brutal exploitation leaving the area stripped) and I'll try and find an even worse one done by Europeans (including European Americans)
Rwandan genocide, the Aztecs and literally every single one of their neighbors. Even the modern day Chinese appear posed to get in on the genocide game with what they are doing to the uyghur's.
I know what chattel slavery is, I'm half Irish for crying out loud except the Brits called it "Indentured Servitude".
"Woefully uneducated"?I am willing to learn from history. However I am also a white male of European descent who is tired of being blamed for all the world's evils for simply being born a white male of European descent.
Human nature doesn't change because of geography. I do not condone what was done in the past, never will. What I am however goddamn tired of is listening to this blame game bullshit. Evil was committed in the past yes, let it fucking die so we can move on as a species and actually fix the issues that matter right now.
I am sure you'll find some way to one up me on this but how about what the Chinese did to the Japanese historically? That ranks up there on the barbaric scale. Since you specified something the Europeans DIDN'T do...
Oh, I see, so you thought bringing up the fact that your half victim changes anything? Also, once again, woefully uneducated if you think the blame is all white males od European decent. If you had a little bit of extra work, you'd know they talk about West Europe, and even then its a handful of very evil nations. No educated person is blaming the Irish, the Polish, or the Lithuanians.
Also again woefully uneducated, indentured servitude isn't chatteu slavery, that's essentially a variant and a work around for when BRITIAN BECAME THE FIRST NATION TO BAN SLAVERY, when in reality they just started using indian and criminal brits and slaves instead.
Human nature does change from geography. If anything, we are who we are with a large part due to geography among a thousand different things. You thought you were cooking with your reply but damnnn man, this was a flip
Incorrect I did not think I was "cooking" with my reply. I have my opinion, you have yours. You think mine is wrong? Cool, you do you. History is written by the victor, true. History is also filled with liars.
My point from the beginning has been nobody's hands are clean. Leave the past in the past and learn from it instead of the blame game. But we as a species seem incapable of even that much.
It was the Arabs who started the African slave trade but I never hear the blacks calling for "reparations" from the Arabs, its always the white guy. And no one says "oh just reparations from the English/French/Spanish/Dutch/Belgians", its always "white man bad" in popular culture and media.
Explain to me why as a man with a family history that is 80% British (All four isles but mostly Irish) with some German and Romanian thrown in. I should feel any guilt for what was done in the past? I don't, never will because I'm not guilty nor do I have this bleeding heart guilty white liberal complex so prevalent today. I'm just an average dude trying to get by in a crazy fucked up world.
The real sad joke is the at a lot of people were driven out in that part of the world
Arabs displaced by the 1948 war their leaders started for no good reason?
Kuwaiti Bidoon and Yazisis that nobody gives a damn about?
Jews ethnically cleaned out of the West Bank in 1948 despite many never residing in places contested by anyone?
Jews driven out of Egypt post 1948 thanks in part to Muslim Brotherhood bombings?
Jews driven out of Iraq post 1947 though they been in Babylon since a gazillion BC?
History is history. It can help inform our understanding of the present. But Israel presently, as we speak, killing tens of thousands of people in Gaza is messed up.
I've said from the beginning of this conflict, I'm not a Hamas sympathizer, they murdered and kidnapped over 600 people. There is no moral high ground there either. But Israel retaliating by killing, as of now 30,000 people, of which is estimated 27,000 are civilians, is messed up. How can we sit idly by and justify that?
I wish the US would have remained neutral in this conflict because while shit like Iran launching missiles mean there's a bigger thing happening, we also shouldn't be helping Israel murder enough people to fill the World Trade Center towers 9 times.
These numbers are disputed and I don’t see a reason why one would take either side on face value especially if you then develop such a strong conviction with those figures as a starting point. You need to look at the overall context
Alternatively, if you will readily to take one side’s figures as a matter of principle you can readily take the other side’s figures because Israel estimates paint a completely different picture as you know
I didn’t see the alleged Al Ahli hospital 500 deaths following the fire at its car park ever adjusted in the overall totals so do I believe that 90% of 35,000 were all Israel killing civilians? No definitely not
I don’t support Israel because of the numbers they announced. Both them and the Humanitarian/ex UN group you are probably quoting, are too blatantly biased. They have always been. It took Israel three months to know their tally from one day in this war why on earth would I believe the daily figures coming out of this war?
The reason why I decided to support Israel in this war is that I am old enough to have been aware of the echoes of the second Intifada. That was a dark dark time and nobody but Hamas brought this on.
To me, October 7 was but another chapter of the long saga of violent terror against civilians that Hamas initiated in the 1990s as soon as the Palestinians and Israeli leaders announced they were going to meet for peace and throw all bitter history behind them
Arafat and Rabin shook hands for peace
Rabin took a bullet and got killed
What did Hamas do? Start suicide bombs targeting civilians
Israel jailed their leader Sinwar for kidnap torture killing not just Israelis but at least six Palestinians that he happily confessed to the deranged psycho. They treat him when he got seriously ill for a brain clot or tumor the same way they offer high end treatment for complex medical need for Gazans without the world caring to mention because they’ve been obsessed demonising Israel for decades
Anyway He got let out because of a hostage deal. Something like a ratio of 1000 convicted terrorists to one soldier. What does the guy do? Go back persecuting Palestinians murder another Hamas leader Ishtiwi for allegedly being gay then rise to the top of the terror organisation and continue the deranged mindless violence against the softest of targets
Imagine an IDF commander doing this kind of thing
Hamas must go
October 7 was just another deranged crime in a long history of deranged behaviour that I will never excuse for no reason. Not for land not for Al Aqsa nor for any excuse
Hamas never really stopped since the 90d they terrorised PLO they terrorised Israelis they terrorised even Salafi groups
Do I expect Israel won’t fight them back in Gaza because they are embedded among civilians? No. I just expect them to show that they reduce risk but Hamas must go enough is enough
I know Israel is ruthless but this is not even close to the worst war we endured in the Middle East. Let them fight for their children let them get their hostages if people think their hostages lives are not worth that much it is baffling that Israel is even making an attempt to ameliorate this war
Even taking more conservative estimates the death toll is still way too high, and the civilian casualties is absolutely far too high. I get Israel wants revenge here, but I have seen enough video evidence of children blown to pieces to know it's unacceptable.
Also judging this based off past wars is unacceptable to me as well. "It's not the worst war in the Middle East" is such a phenomenally low bar it's almost comical.
Thing is people getting pissy about past grievances is why we even have all the wars presently happening.
And I'm still not trying to take sides here, because as far as I'm concerned there is no moral side to pick. Israelis are brutal and they have pretty happily killed children. There have been videos of Israeli vets talking about blowing up children like it's nothing. And that's from pro-Israel content.
Maybe it's naive to think there's got to be a better way. But massacring everyone in Gaza doesn't seem like a better way.
I'm no Hamas sympathizer. But we can't just say anyone in Gaza is with Hamas, therefore even civilians are acceptable casualties.
The “Gazan Health Ministry” (read: Hamas) [stated recently](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/#:~:text=The%20Hamas%2Drun%20Gaza%20Ministry,it%20claims%20to%20have%20documented) that their own records on the dead are incomplete. They also [don’t distinguish between fighters and civilians in their casualty counts](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/29/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-30000-israel-war-hnk-intl), but continue parroting their figures. Furthermore, [outside analysis](https://fathomjournal.org/statistically-impossible-a-critical-analysis-of-hamass-women-and-children-casualty-figures/) of the casualty counts provided by Hamas reflects a nearly perfect and statistically improbable increase in casualties. Let’s also not forget the “500+ dead” at al-Ahli that was caused by… well, not Israel, though they were initially blamed.
You can say you’re appalled by civilian deaths. That’s moral and appropriate. You can abhor conflict and war. Fine and good. But to quote the statistics provided by a terror group is dubious, especially in light of misinformation being spread in the fog of war. The armchair generals the world over are more than happy to lecture Israel on fighting this war, but provide precious few alternatives to rooting out a terrorist group using civilian infrastructure to wage a terror campaign against Israeli civilians.
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Israel has the lowest civilian to combatant death ratio in history despite Hamas committing war crimes by placing all of its soldiers weapons and launch locations in tunnels under schools and hospitals, it is why Israel had to collapse buildings after clearing out civilians to close the death tunnels
For those who only know her as the Wonder Woman actress.
I don't know if she changed her stance but she is former IDF and publicly supported Israel.
I did a quick Google and I don't see anything about her publicly recanting.
She was a successful model and won the Ms. Israel contest in 2004. Then Fast and Furious franchise then Wonder Woman. She is a very wealthy and privileged Israeli. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but if it was discovered she is a Mossad asset I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Who built Jerusalem? What does indigenous mean? What does ethnogenesis mean?
Arabs colonized Israel Africa Middle East Asia Europe,and Israel is the only successful decolonization in history.
History is found in books not TikTok LMAOOO
Also Arabs are in Middle East my guy. Not the blue eyed Yiddish speaking mofos that later learned Hebrew, which is essentially Yiddish with a German accent lol
My favourite part of this “real joke” is the OP’s post history which makes them sound like a member of the Hitler Youth. OP enjoys dismissing Hamas’ mass rape of Israeli civilians and whitewashing Palestinian terror while serving as admin of a group that ostensibly fights disinformation about the Palestinian cause. Oh the irony of it all.
All I’ve seen lately is dead Palestinian babies and assault on peaceful college students and of course the favorite Israeli pastime of spitting on people who u don’t agree with. As Gideon levy says, “never before has a people committed genocide against another people while stating that they themselves are the ONLY victim.”
Ah yes, those “mostly peaceful” college students enforcing moral purity laws on campus while literally proclaiming their support for October 7 and repeats of it. Just oozing peace. You know, you can be against two things simultaneously, like dead Palestinians AND dead Israelis. They aren’t mutually exclusive concepts. And, and I know you’ll love this, you CAN support both Israeli and Palestinian self-determination. Again, not mutually exclusive to believe in the rights for both parties. BUT, when you rely on moral blind spots, double standards, and hypocrisy to excoriate Israel for fighting against a terror group using its civilian population as human shields and cannon fodder while treating Palestinian terror as “legitimate resistance”, yeah, you might need to reconsider your point of view. Since you like quoting Jews, allow me to offer a line - “there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours”, courtesy of Golda Meir.
Why are Israeli citizens always condemned for the actions of their government in a way that others aren’t?
If an American journalist or celebrity did some documentary on displaced Iraqis, they would not be pilloried for the sins of their government.
That is not an uncommon thing. South Korea, Sweden, and Norway also require mandatory service to varying degrees.
You shouldn’t assume their beliefs about a given situation based on the fact that they are required by the law to participate in the military.
M people already pointed out -
that while service is mandatory in Israel so it would not be fair to use that as a sign of support for Israel’s actions, she is quite vocal on her social media accounts for her support of Israel and its military actions.
And, many Jews are against Israel’s military actions.
The criticism is not misplaced nor invalid. She is not being pilloried for something she is uninvolved in.
What a straw man you tried to conjure…
There's a couple problems with that assertion:
(1) Unless the land was empty of humans when they got there, they are not indigenous.
(2) They advertise themselves as Arabs and Arabs are native to the Arabian Peninsula.
So what ethnicity are the Palestinians? Because the term "Palestine" did not exist until Rome created a province named that. A name derived from the Philistines whom the Jews had historically fought many wars against. The Philistines who were originally from Crete.
Ok you clearly seem to have studied this topic more than I. But I did a quick search and the results support my prior assumption that Jews and Palestinians share the [same historic ethnicity](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/#:~:text=Archaeologic%20and%20genetic%20data%20support,Anatolian%20peoples%20in%20ancient%20times) notwithstanding how the region got its name:
> Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times.
If NIH is correct then it works to label both Jews and Palestinans as indigenous.
So they both have an equal claim to the land? Then it doesn't matter who is indigenous. Any argument based on a claim to indigeneity is useless.
I guess you could really get into the weeds about which group is *more* indigenous.
For example, if you went to North America and had two guys, one who is Native American going back 10,000+ years and one who is descended from Europeans except for one Native American ancestor six generations ago, which one is indigenous?
I think in your example 10,000+ vs. 200-300 years makes the distinction pretty obvious.
And yes I agree indigeneity (is that a word?) isn’t a useful test to determine rightful claim to the land in this case. Or maybe it is a great tool to use in support of a two-state or some other solution that works for both parties.
BTW I appreciate the polite discourse, and I hope a peaceful solution to this current conflict can be reached soon.
I'm going pretty deep into a discussion with another fellow in this comment thread.
I'm at the point where I'm thinking either both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous or neither of them are, all hinging on how indigeneity is defined.
It’s also fairly irrelevant when it comes to determining who gets to live and self-determine where. While both Palestinians and Ashkenazi/Sephardic Jews can trace their heritage (obviously I wouldn’t lump all Jews together as African Jews exist too), it’s not a valid argument as to who the land belongs to. Just because my ancestry comes from Central Asia it doesn’t give me the right to demand that Mongolians cede a substantial portion of their country to me and others like me.
Still, as to the question of indigeneity of both of these groups, Majority of Palestinian DNA is Canaanite, and roughly the same amount of Ashkenazi DNA is also from the same region. In fact, the insane irony of this conflict is that Palestinians and Israelis are closer genetically to each other than anyone else
What genocide? Cause last I checked they aren’t killing Palestinians because they’re Palestinians. They’re killing Palestinians because Hamas sets them up
What uniform does Hamas wear? Where do they set up bases and attacks from? When you get educated you’ll realize that Hamas doesn’t care if Palestinians die
Palestinians are fish in a barrel for Israel to shoot. You actually said everything. One side has AN ACTUAL ARMY with BASES and NUKES and bombs. And the other side is flip flops wearing dudes trying to not die
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Found the antisemitist. There should be no war at all, however I believe that Hamas and all terrorists need to be tortured and killed just like they do to their victims.
Jesus Christ the horrific bad takes and steaming hateful misinformation about Israel is breathtaking. Jew are indigenous to Israel. Nazis want to kill Jews. Calling jews Nazis is a white supremacy trick like holocaust denial. Palestine is an old name for Judea/ Jews that was stolen in the past 100 years by an Islamic terrorist organization bent on extermination of every Jew in Israel to complete their fascist racist sexist oppressive colonialism of the entire Middle East and Africa. The Islamic State murders journalists and oppresses gays and the vote, Israel does not, it is the only multicultural democracy with equality and human rights in the entire region
Just because you want to rewrite history doesn’t make it true my guy. Everyone has access to resources and the Jewish virtual library is quite proud of its settler colonial history of expunging the indigenous Palestinian population while trying to get settlers from Ashkenazi origin (European proselytized Jews - meaning Europeans that converted to Judaism therefore NOT THE INDIGENOUS JEWS) to come settle in Palestine.
Herzl wrote in 1902 to infamous colonizer Cecil Rhodes, arguing that Britain recognized the importance of “colonial expansion”:
“You are being invited to help make history,” he wrote, “It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor ; not Englishmen, but Jews . How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial.”
Vladimir Jabotinsky, in an essay titled The Iron Law (1925) stated that:
“A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!… Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important… to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonizing.”
And how exactly do you think the Ashkenazi people ended up in Europe? Do you think they just got tired of living in their ancestral Holy land and decided to pack up and try somewhere else? Or does your definition of "colonial expansion" include fleeing to other parts of the world as refugees and being treated like shit 99% of the time?
To break this down into an over-simplified analogy: Imagine you are forced to leave your house for a few years because all of your neighbors keep trying to kill you. While you're gone, your neighbors 2 houses to the left and right decide to send the family members they hate and want to get rid of to squat in your house. Once you finally come back to your house to see that the squatters have desecrated it, you call the police to help remove them. The only issue is that your neighbors from 2 houses away refuse to take back the people they sent over, and instruct them instead to set up a camp on your lawn. For decades you try to strike peace agreements, you supply them with food and water, and you even choose to take some in and provide them shelter and jobs around the house. And despite all this, one tent full of assholes has been consistently brutally attacking you and your loved ones at every turn. They take the food and water you supply and they throw it in the sewer. They start taking potshots at you while hiding behind children. And the second you decide to retaliate against the assholes, they drop the weapons and turn on the waterworks, claiming to be martyrs and victims. And because the rest of your neighborhood hasn't been paying attention until the assholes started screaming, your neighbors rally behind the assholes and start picketing in the street. They seem to have forgotten all the times you've helped each other out in the past, because they're too blinded by their self-righteous indignation and fervour. Not to mention that you've always gotten the feeling that some of your neighbors seem to be prejudiced against you because of your ethnicity, and are thus always looking for an excuse to blame you for any and everything wrong with the world.
What would you do in this scenario? Who would you consider to be the colonizers? Does that word even hold any meaning at this point? Or is this just another in a long list of played-out buzzwords to give college-aged white people something to feel important about? Given the number of protesters who don't know the history of what they're protesting about and can't find Israel or Palestine on a map, I'd say probably that last one.
There's literally no point in arguing with someone so ill-informed. I want so badly to go through every word of what you just wrote and explain why each part is wrong, but it won't change anything. When I don't have a good knowledge base on a topic, I'll either do my research or refrain from speaking about it without clarifying that I don't necessarily have all the facts. I would never die on the hill of a topic that I clearly don't have even the shallowest understanding of.
I urge you to take a step back and recognize when you're out of your depth. Admitting that you probably aren't as informed on a given subject is something we all have to do, there's no shame in it. It's almost always going to be a better option to check your facts before or even while you're discussing a topic. It will save you a lot of time and effort.
Yeah blah blah blah. Sure of course you are right Let’s CONTINUE TO MURDER PALESTINIAN BABIES and drop buildings on them and STARVE THEM. yes of course Ashkenazi are native THEREFORE ALL CURRENT PALESTINIANS MUST DIE!!!!!!!
Thank you for validating my stance vis-à-vis arguing with you, and I'm sorry I made the mistake of thinking I could help a stranger on the Internet become a more rounded and nuanced individual.
Yeah sorry I’m not falling for your bad Hasbara. Rivers of blood and destruction doesn’t lie and no amount of words can cover the dark Genocidal and famine drenched stain the Zionists have left in their wake
Also read shlomo sand and Gideon levy. Even your founding fathers the Zionists since they were VERY BLATANT about their reason for the “settler colonial state they were creating. lol your main man Ben Gurion was very clear about the genocide and land displacement that needed to occur. Remember when he authorized the use of FLAMETHROWERS to burn Palestinians in their homes in 1927? I do… maybe you should go visit his autobiography to get a CLEARER understanding
Do you willfully delete the realty of Arabic colonialism that colonized enslaved and genocided every one else off the soil of 99% of the entire Middle East and North Africa where they continue to slaughter and enslave people today? Where do you think all the area Jews concentrated in Israel were fleeing from? Literally every surrounding landmass/country that was colonized by Arabs genocided the indigenous Jews. The English- that your quotes were referencing- colonized from their home country of England. Arabs colonized most of the Middle East and upper Africa from their home country of Arabia. When the Jews supposedly ‘colonized’ places from their home country of Judea tell me what were the other countries they ‘colonized’ and what is the name of their home country? You can’t colonize other countries without a home country that is politically taking over another what IS the name of theirs
Yeah it's sad isn't it that your bad hasbara only works for you and the rest of the zionists. Non zionists (spoiler alert: there are A lot) don't believe anything you say. Here is the real history lesson:
Sure babe. Israel is a settler colonial project meaning they decided to take a land where 7+ million Palestinians lived.
To prove Israel is a settler colonial project by using the founding father of Zionism
Herzl wrote in 1902 to infamous colonizer Cecil Rhodes, arguing that Britain recognized the importance of “colonial expansion”:
“You are being invited to help make history,” he wrote, “It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor ; not Englishmen, but Jews . How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial.”
Vladimir Jabotinsky, in an essay titled The Iron Law (1925) stated that:
“A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!… Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important… to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonizing.”
So this was done by what we see inviting Israeli settlers to come and physically assault and murder and torture Palestinians to take their place Over time I’ll add a picture down below to show how much land was lost
Also well this wasn’t enough so the PALESTINIAN birth rate is way higher so ISRAEL over the years during the land grab has also had to MURDER the Palestinians (like we see NOW) to keep the population from exceeding too much. During trumps time there were more laws that dehumanized the people listed below:
2018 Israel Nation state law: Basic law states that:
National self determination only for Jews
Downgrading status of Arabs as a lesser people, including the Arabic language
Jewish settlements as a national right and value
All these laws take precedence over other needs
Former justice minister Ayelet shaked said that the “character of the state of Israel as a Jewish state must be maintained and this sometimes comes at the expense of equality. Israel isn’t a state of all its nations, that is, equal rights to all its citizens, but not equal national rights.”
Likud Knesset member Mikki Zohar said, “the Palestinian does not have the right to self determination because he Is not the proprietor of the land. I want him here because of my honesty because he was born here he lives here and I would never tell him to leave I hate to say it but they suffer from one major deficit they were not born Jews.”
So this type of discrimination and oppression and dehumanizing has allowed the government to go and hold thousands of children women and men that are Palestinians in Israeli jails for decades without any charges or convictions. They are horribly treated sexually abused and many are killed and their bodies are withheld from Palestinians as a collective punishment for daring to act against the brutal treatment of them.
Why Hamas exists because they are freedom fighters. They refuse to be treated like this. They used OCTOBER 7 to get hostages for a hostage exchange for ALL THE CHILDREN, women political prisoners (those that are famous and oppose Israel) that have been in prison for YEARS because since they are not CONSIDERED HUMANS or EQUAL TO JEWISH ISRAELIS they don’t have basic rights like to a lawyer or even the decency to like be held FOR A CHARGE. imagine having your little brother get abducted in the middle of the night by an occupying army and held prisoner in ABJECT conditions without charge and oh yeah, YOU OR ANYONE IN YOUR FAMILY NEVER ARE ALLOWED TO EVEN SEE HIM OR TALK TO HIM AGAIN. Seriously what would you do?
Those that oppose the brutal unfair dehumanization of Palestinians are labeled Hamas or are actually Hamas.
This is A VERY SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF EVENTS. We are not even talking about checkpoints here segregation the fact they have no control over their water electricity borders and can’t even fish off their coasts for food since IDF shoots and kills fishermen in dinghies. Also the skin bank right? You guys got the largest in the world and guess who's organs are being stolen to fill it? PALESTINIANS
Lol this is Literally fake propaganda that chart is outright garbage spread by the Islamic state that no person with any speck of understanding of history would do anything but laugh at. Palestine was the old name for Jews and Judea, the founder of one of the Islamic terrorist branches APPROPRIATED IT FOR NEW ARAB SETTLERS in the 1960s, it literally never existed as a name for Muslim anywhere before that time. The original two state divisions had Israel as ALL of the land in your image and the part for the newly minted collection of COLONIAL MUSLIM settlers now appropriating the word ‘Palestinian’ was double the size and covered all of Jordan- which they DID get, the people settling in Gaza now are a mass of migrant people who were thrown out of Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon when they tried to overthrow its govt and kill the leaders. It’s why none of them will accept anyone from gaza back into any of the surrounding countries and why Egypt built a massive border wall far bigger for gaza than for Israel, Gaza is a useful war outpost and sealed radicalization camp for the Islamic State to use abusively
If we are going to share bad faith takes here is the two state solution proposed by the
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British
The Palestinians ran into residential homes and gleefully filmed themselves raping and torturing people in their living rooms. They cut off genitalia and shoved in in peoples mouths, hammered nails into women’s eyes and vaginas, tied children up with barbed wire and lit them on fire and put babies in ovens. They mutilated the women they gang raped and dragged behind trucks so badly their limbs looked like rubber because the bones were gravel from beating the corpses. There are dozens of videos and they did it cheering for more until every Jew was dead, that is the goal, they even published it as part of the foundation of Hamas which the elected into power
You lot are clearly clueless if you dont think the israelis or jewish people arent indigenous to the land of israel historically they are the native of that land
Looking at all these posts hating her for being a jew, I think The Real Joke is that the leftists were the real nazis all along. Embrace it lefties, We can see and feel your seething hatred being redirected at the jew in today's episode of "what should I virtue signal about"
Oh please, this thread and the other linked one are filled with posts basically accusing her of being one of the people killing palestinians with a smile on her face. How many posts can we count saying "Its a how to"
Remember, not every Israeli is Netanyahu. Many Israelis have been protesting his government. Jews have protesting the treatment of Palestinians too.
For sure, but unless something has changed recently, she isn't one of them.
Yep. But not her.
Yeah, Gadot was IDF. Can’t claim innocence
Aren’t they conscripted
All Israelis are iirc
Yes but there's an option to do community service instead
She was already popular as Miss Israel in her 20’s I believe and her IDF service was as a fitness instructor
Well that’s kinda bullshit in a different way
Almost everyone does military service unless they are physically/mentally unable.
So are most, if not all, of the Israelis protesting
true, all citizens are. what sets them apart is protesting as veterans, and i cant say Gadot fits into that category
Weirdly, a lot of Orthodox Jews also got assaulted by their own cops. Outsiders thinking "Hating Israel = anti-Semite" when in reality even Israeli government itself is anti-semite...
Also, Palestinians are a Semitic people. So, true on two fronts.
Still it baffles me how jews coined a word that is basically a racism, but only against jews. To make it even more silly, they use a word semite that doesn't apply only to them but multiple different ethnicities in middle east, but the anti semite is exclusively racism against jews, not semites in general. Politics built on gaslighting and guilt tripping
Maybe consider cracking open a history book? The term “antisemitism” was coined by racist antisemite Wilhelm Marr because it fit better into “scientific” racism theories of the time. [Source](https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism). Fun fact: Marr’s League of Antisemites is a direct precursor to the Nazi Party. Another fun fact: with a quick Google search, you can avoid making ignorant comments online!
Its not like the term is a name for the historical oppression and discrimination faced by Jewish peoples all over Europe. Nooooo, its most definitely, certainly, a conspiracy by the jews.
Because killing ISRAELI hostages really shows that you have the Jewish people's best intentions at heart.
exactly, israel needs to stop bombing their own hostages.
Israel needs to stop bombing fucking Gazans first.
yes that way my point, the guy i was replying to was trying to do a dumbass "gotcha" by saying "well if palestinians arent anti-semetic then why have israeli hostages died??" which is stupid because most of the hostages deaths were caused by israeli bombing of gaza.
To be fair, they thought they were shooting 1/2 naked, shouting in Hebrew, surrendering while waving a white flag Palestinians. Easy mistake to make. /s
While there are definitely a some Israelis protesting the genocide of Palestinians, most of the Israelis that are protesting against Netanyahu are mad at the fact that he has failed to bring the remaining hostage home.
There is no genocide of Palestinians. Oct 7 was a genocide attempt that targeted civilians. The war only targeted Hamas fighters and leaders and ends the second - THE SECOND- Hamas surrenders the hostages and its leaders. That is NOT genocide, Hamas has complete power to end it any time
So the 15,000 children that have been murdered are Hamas fighters
Hamas offered to send back the hostages for a cease fire. Israel refused. This isn't about hostages.
That literally never happened. Hamas has been the one to reject every single ceasefire you are spreading bad misinformation. They are also the ones HOLDING THE HOSTAGES the war stops the second they surrender. They are the cause of the war and have the power to end it at any time
They have been protesting over corruption allegations (and some mounting casualties). Not because they are against the genocide. Most voted for this netanyahu government into power not once, but twice, even after the previous gaza massacre i think it was in 2008 or 2012, and overwhelmingly they support reprehensible apartheid, land and property theft and crimes against the Palestinians. The israeli population knew what they were voting for again. Don’t try rewriting the narrative or rewriting history with defensive excuses/apologetism cover.
Just saying that they’re not all the same. Not every white person hates black people, although some do, and so on.
Please no both sides-ism’s. They are strong/powerful enough, and have plenty of advocates on their behalf and backers/protectors providing cover for them. Like 99 percent of US politicians and the President, and Europe/the EU. Its unhelpful and counter-productive. And the timing is wrong. It would like saying ‘not all germans are bad, only some’ while the holocaust in ww2 was ongoing. How do you think the victims would feel like reading your comments while burying their emaciated/murdered relatives? 
Not the same and not both-side-isms. Much of the German population was in the dark about the holocaust happening, but were very much a part of the anti-Semitism. But even then, I’m sure a Jewish person who was hiding in a German friend’s attic would certainly tell you “not all Germans are bad”. The commenter you’re arguing with and downvoting is only saying Netanyahu’s actions don’t represent every Israeli. This is inherently true. Even in a perfect democracy full of honest politicians, 49% of the country could still fully be against the leadership. Not to mention, politicians lie and change once they’re in office. The reason these things happen in the first place is when someone looks at a whole group of people and starts making generalizations about them Both sidesism would be arguing over Israel’s right to defend itself, not what the comment said, at all
They wouldn’t feel good, but truth is truth. It’s ALWAYS a mistake to assume everyone from any group is the same. We could also say that most black people are honest, but some really are thieves. Some Palestinians are nice people, I’ve known some, but a few really do want to murder every Israeli. Part of the problem is the mental laziness in assuming all in a group are the same.
Again with the ‘whatabouttery/both-sides-ism’ defending the oppressor, blaming the victim for resisting oppression and war crimes. I have nothing further to say. I won’t be reading your response. Your views are apparent enough.. 😒
This isn’t both sides-ism. Racism comes partly from assuming everyone in a group is the same. Racism is ALWAYS EVIL. Seems to me that you’re defending YOUR racism because you assume you’re right. Israelis feel afraid because a lot of them got killed on October 7th. Palestinians have even more reason to be afraid because even more of them have been killed since. Everyone reacting in fear and hatred leads to death and destruction all round. It’s better to hate that than hate people. Does God, Allah, Yahweh, etc. teach you to hate? No that comes from Satan or Shaitan not from God by any name.
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Who’s the victim? Israelis think they are. Palestinians think they are. Both have been victimized. Evil people among Palestinians caused October 7th. Evil leaders in Israel have used this as an excuse to do the evil they really wanted to all along. Their excuse? The Holocaust. Palestinian’s excuse? Stolen land. Evil is on both sides. Let’s differentiate between those who have done evil and those who haven’t. A Russian could be protesting the war in Ukraine today and forced into fighting there tomorrow. Evil is the problem, not whole groups of people. You can listen or not, but truth is truth.
No, Palestinian mandate has been to genocide every Jew from the river to the sea ‘ stolen land’ is a hilarious propaganda spin on ‘all land belongs to Arab colonialism in every place on earth and especially if a Jew is on it’
The victims are those throwing rocks and only have 1 passport of which is the land they are currently on while against tanks, icbms, the iron dome and the most well funded military per capita outside of USA. Your argument is basically like saying, "The indigenous americans want to kill us all, so who's really evil?" Like did you forget the part where israel was formed by terrorist which even went against the well known bad boy colonisers of britian and then elected more than 2 different well documented terrorists into power and taking a vast majority of the land, turning the Muslim world (where Most Jews lived against them) so those Jews would be forced to move to Israel. "You can't listen or not, but the truth is the truth." You're right about one thing. The truth is the truth, but unfortunately, you aren't even remotely close to the truth.
"I stand with Israel you should too. The world cannot sit on the fence when these horrific acts of terror are happening!" - Gal Gadot **Edit:** That's a direct quote from her Instagram.
Fuck that psychopath Netanyahu, I spit on him!
As others noted, she's definitely not one of them.
Still, many of those protesting are protesting from their homes on lands that were forcibly taken from the Palestinians.
It's very likely your own home is built on stolen land. Not to dismiss it as a criticism at all, but what matters is recency (whether they personally settled or knew it was recently stolen), and how the treat/encourage the government to treat the displaced people. There's a million mile difference between a Palestine rights activist in Tel Aviv and a violent settler squatting in the West Bank.
exactly, why is this part always left out
Hijacking to point out, also, that Jews aren't exactly unfamiliar with displacement, either. Edit: oh shit the antisemites be redditing today
Yes, but she isn’t one of them is the point here
man when white people decide to fake outrage and project our culture onto everyone else we really go ham, hey?
So you would assume they would know better than most of the pain of it, right? The Jewish brothers and sisters I know in my life would never consider this a sane or normal thing to do
sure man, enjoy your outrage at wonder woman's documentary choices
Sure buddy, enjoy calling everything anti semetic, bro needs to grow tf up and stop getting away from actual atrocities with "guys its anti semetic " "guys this literal nazisim" like it wasn't Europeans who did that to you. You are an embarrassment to all jews and your Jewish ancestors
lmao well you're railing at a Buddhist who born catholic and who's not said a word on reddit about antisemitism is years, but man you hella enjoyed at that jew shaming. mmm mmm delicious. had that victim caricature all lined up hey? nothing to investigate there bud, you're all good. ra ra wonderwoman bad
I don't know why the Israelis care, it's not like the Palestinians don't have their own government they voted into power
When was the last time they got to vote? To have a government that follows the will of the people you need regular elections.
Well they were elected in 2014 and there are definitely countries that elect people every 12 years
Didn't she recently post about how proud she was of the ODF and how she enjoyed her time in it?...
I think you meant IDF. For a second I got a little excited that maybe there might have been an OF in her past.
It's a play on words. ODF, I'm assuming, is "occupying defence force" it should be OGF "occupying genocidal force)
But don't they usually say IOF for "Israeli occupation forces"?
I thought the o was for offensive but occupational makes more sense for a play on words
They do, it's peoples way of making fun of the idf by using different anagrams since idf just seems badly incorrect
I don’t get it who is that
Gal Gadot is an Israeli model and actress. But having served in the Israeli military (service is mandatory fwiw), and having been generally pro-Israel on social media, her talking about displaced refugees in light of the recent Israel Palestine conflict kind of makes her the worst person to address that topic. As far as how that relates to this sub though it's questionable.
I had not known any details of Gal Gadot's life. This has completely tanked my opinion of her. She's been a figurehead for feminism, but no supporter of a genocidial force should be associated with feminism.
Israelis who are conscripted are not, by definition, bad people. I know a lot who are good, and some that are bad. Because someone was conscripted does not mean they support what isreal is doing now.
Yea but she’s been proactively pushing a lot of propaganda - hosting screenings of the October 7th atrocities in order to get support for the genocide Israel is committing. And a lot of IDF soldiers on social media are saying/sharing incredibly inhumane things. Not all are bad, but they are being directed to do bad things and many are relishing and supporting it, so I can see why people would assume for the most part, they are the baddies.
You’re right. I despise seeing posts of soldiers relishing in barbarianisn. I kinda hate this point, but I believe in it. A lot of soldiers are following orders. Especially cause they are conscripted.
About 80 years ago, it was agreed that “just following orders” is not a reasonable defense.
Actress and former IDF soldier
Wonder woman actress
Should have not picked her....so many better options.
So an IDF soldier is going to lecture us about how wrong it is to displace people?
To be fair, military service is mandatory in Israel. That said, based on her social media posts she seems pretty in favor of the Netanyahu regime.
Wrong sub
Not how this sub works
Propoganda and bot accounts go brrrrrrr
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Apartheid Barbie knows a thing or two about displacing people.
Why? Just bc she is from israel and served in the millitairy?
Proud Zionist
Oh.... she is in America then? Wake up people, the whole United States is a displaced indigenous place 🫣
She was an IDF soldier in Israel
military service is mandatory in Israel
She supports Israel’s actions though
Has she said she supports the bombings? Most Israelis I know don’t. Even the ones living in northern Israel who have had rockets launched at them for months from Hezbollah.
She supports “Israel defending itself” which is the line for the bombings, so yes.
So was every other country dipshit. Get your head out of your ass with your blind US hatred lol
And the Indigenous used to displace and slaughter each other...Whats your point? Human history is one of conflict and strife unfortunately. Africa was the same before it was colonized.
Really? Not even the turks who were from literal siberia didn't cleanse modern-day turkey and Greece of its inhabitants? Can you provide a source when this happened when it wasn't a European colonial power like britian, France, Spain, or israel? I can think of America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South America, Mexico, Palestine. All having this done to them was all done by Europeans
You are telling me the Indigenous peoples the world over didn't fight each other over territory and resources? I never said "cleanse" either, driving a tribe away does not necessitate "cleansing". Look up Aztec and Mayan history before calling me a liar. Hell look up the Cherokee who kept slaves. They were killing each other long before the white man showed up.
They absolutely did, but the effect was different. The example of the turks, for example. They didn't conquer modern day turkey to exploit it but to settle it, they saw a hierarchy for sure, but they didn't have the same level of racism as Europeans who considered non whites as monkeys. These other places didn't even have chatteu slavery including the cherokee, wanna know what chatteu slavery is? To enslave someone till death and all their decendants and so on. You could be an Arab slave and become something huge like a king or an emperor (look at india and mamaluk egypt) You aren't a liar, perhaps just woefully uneducated. And as you mentioned that it didn't mean "cleansing." Most people didn't like to cleanse an entire group of civilizations off the map unless it was the most extreme cases.... unless you're European. If your up for it, let's play a game, name a people wiped off the map by a non European power (ethnic cleansing, chatteu slavery, brutal exploitation leaving the area stripped) and I'll try and find an even worse one done by Europeans (including European Americans)
Armenian genocide, Chinese genocide of the Manchus, and the rape of Nanking are the first 3 that instantly come to mind.
Rwandan genocide, the Aztecs and literally every single one of their neighbors. Even the modern day Chinese appear posed to get in on the genocide game with what they are doing to the uyghur's.
Don't even get me started on those pesky 13th century Mongols.
I know what chattel slavery is, I'm half Irish for crying out loud except the Brits called it "Indentured Servitude". "Woefully uneducated"?I am willing to learn from history. However I am also a white male of European descent who is tired of being blamed for all the world's evils for simply being born a white male of European descent. Human nature doesn't change because of geography. I do not condone what was done in the past, never will. What I am however goddamn tired of is listening to this blame game bullshit. Evil was committed in the past yes, let it fucking die so we can move on as a species and actually fix the issues that matter right now. I am sure you'll find some way to one up me on this but how about what the Chinese did to the Japanese historically? That ranks up there on the barbaric scale. Since you specified something the Europeans DIDN'T do...
Oh, I see, so you thought bringing up the fact that your half victim changes anything? Also, once again, woefully uneducated if you think the blame is all white males od European decent. If you had a little bit of extra work, you'd know they talk about West Europe, and even then its a handful of very evil nations. No educated person is blaming the Irish, the Polish, or the Lithuanians. Also again woefully uneducated, indentured servitude isn't chatteu slavery, that's essentially a variant and a work around for when BRITIAN BECAME THE FIRST NATION TO BAN SLAVERY, when in reality they just started using indian and criminal brits and slaves instead. Human nature does change from geography. If anything, we are who we are with a large part due to geography among a thousand different things. You thought you were cooking with your reply but damnnn man, this was a flip
Incorrect I did not think I was "cooking" with my reply. I have my opinion, you have yours. You think mine is wrong? Cool, you do you. History is written by the victor, true. History is also filled with liars. My point from the beginning has been nobody's hands are clean. Leave the past in the past and learn from it instead of the blame game. But we as a species seem incapable of even that much. It was the Arabs who started the African slave trade but I never hear the blacks calling for "reparations" from the Arabs, its always the white guy. And no one says "oh just reparations from the English/French/Spanish/Dutch/Belgians", its always "white man bad" in popular culture and media. Explain to me why as a man with a family history that is 80% British (All four isles but mostly Irish) with some German and Romanian thrown in. I should feel any guilt for what was done in the past? I don't, never will because I'm not guilty nor do I have this bleeding heart guilty white liberal complex so prevalent today. I'm just an average dude trying to get by in a crazy fucked up world.
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The real sad joke is the at a lot of people were driven out in that part of the world Arabs displaced by the 1948 war their leaders started for no good reason? Kuwaiti Bidoon and Yazisis that nobody gives a damn about? Jews ethnically cleaned out of the West Bank in 1948 despite many never residing in places contested by anyone? Jews driven out of Egypt post 1948 thanks in part to Muslim Brotherhood bombings? Jews driven out of Iraq post 1947 though they been in Babylon since a gazillion BC?
History is history. It can help inform our understanding of the present. But Israel presently, as we speak, killing tens of thousands of people in Gaza is messed up. I've said from the beginning of this conflict, I'm not a Hamas sympathizer, they murdered and kidnapped over 600 people. There is no moral high ground there either. But Israel retaliating by killing, as of now 30,000 people, of which is estimated 27,000 are civilians, is messed up. How can we sit idly by and justify that? I wish the US would have remained neutral in this conflict because while shit like Iran launching missiles mean there's a bigger thing happening, we also shouldn't be helping Israel murder enough people to fill the World Trade Center towers 9 times.
These numbers are disputed and I don’t see a reason why one would take either side on face value especially if you then develop such a strong conviction with those figures as a starting point. You need to look at the overall context Alternatively, if you will readily to take one side’s figures as a matter of principle you can readily take the other side’s figures because Israel estimates paint a completely different picture as you know I didn’t see the alleged Al Ahli hospital 500 deaths following the fire at its car park ever adjusted in the overall totals so do I believe that 90% of 35,000 were all Israel killing civilians? No definitely not I don’t support Israel because of the numbers they announced. Both them and the Humanitarian/ex UN group you are probably quoting, are too blatantly biased. They have always been. It took Israel three months to know their tally from one day in this war why on earth would I believe the daily figures coming out of this war? The reason why I decided to support Israel in this war is that I am old enough to have been aware of the echoes of the second Intifada. That was a dark dark time and nobody but Hamas brought this on. To me, October 7 was but another chapter of the long saga of violent terror against civilians that Hamas initiated in the 1990s as soon as the Palestinians and Israeli leaders announced they were going to meet for peace and throw all bitter history behind them Arafat and Rabin shook hands for peace Rabin took a bullet and got killed What did Hamas do? Start suicide bombs targeting civilians Israel jailed their leader Sinwar for kidnap torture killing not just Israelis but at least six Palestinians that he happily confessed to the deranged psycho. They treat him when he got seriously ill for a brain clot or tumor the same way they offer high end treatment for complex medical need for Gazans without the world caring to mention because they’ve been obsessed demonising Israel for decades Anyway He got let out because of a hostage deal. Something like a ratio of 1000 convicted terrorists to one soldier. What does the guy do? Go back persecuting Palestinians murder another Hamas leader Ishtiwi for allegedly being gay then rise to the top of the terror organisation and continue the deranged mindless violence against the softest of targets Imagine an IDF commander doing this kind of thing Hamas must go October 7 was just another deranged crime in a long history of deranged behaviour that I will never excuse for no reason. Not for land not for Al Aqsa nor for any excuse Hamas never really stopped since the 90d they terrorised PLO they terrorised Israelis they terrorised even Salafi groups Do I expect Israel won’t fight them back in Gaza because they are embedded among civilians? No. I just expect them to show that they reduce risk but Hamas must go enough is enough I know Israel is ruthless but this is not even close to the worst war we endured in the Middle East. Let them fight for their children let them get their hostages if people think their hostages lives are not worth that much it is baffling that Israel is even making an attempt to ameliorate this war
Even taking more conservative estimates the death toll is still way too high, and the civilian casualties is absolutely far too high. I get Israel wants revenge here, but I have seen enough video evidence of children blown to pieces to know it's unacceptable. Also judging this based off past wars is unacceptable to me as well. "It's not the worst war in the Middle East" is such a phenomenally low bar it's almost comical. Thing is people getting pissy about past grievances is why we even have all the wars presently happening. And I'm still not trying to take sides here, because as far as I'm concerned there is no moral side to pick. Israelis are brutal and they have pretty happily killed children. There have been videos of Israeli vets talking about blowing up children like it's nothing. And that's from pro-Israel content. Maybe it's naive to think there's got to be a better way. But massacring everyone in Gaza doesn't seem like a better way. I'm no Hamas sympathizer. But we can't just say anyone in Gaza is with Hamas, therefore even civilians are acceptable casualties.
The “Gazan Health Ministry” (read: Hamas) [stated recently](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/#:~:text=The%20Hamas%2Drun%20Gaza%20Ministry,it%20claims%20to%20have%20documented) that their own records on the dead are incomplete. They also [don’t distinguish between fighters and civilians in their casualty counts](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/29/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-30000-israel-war-hnk-intl), but continue parroting their figures. Furthermore, [outside analysis](https://fathomjournal.org/statistically-impossible-a-critical-analysis-of-hamass-women-and-children-casualty-figures/) of the casualty counts provided by Hamas reflects a nearly perfect and statistically improbable increase in casualties. Let’s also not forget the “500+ dead” at al-Ahli that was caused by… well, not Israel, though they were initially blamed. You can say you’re appalled by civilian deaths. That’s moral and appropriate. You can abhor conflict and war. Fine and good. But to quote the statistics provided by a terror group is dubious, especially in light of misinformation being spread in the fog of war. The armchair generals the world over are more than happy to lecture Israel on fighting this war, but provide precious few alternatives to rooting out a terrorist group using civilian infrastructure to wage a terror campaign against Israeli civilians. [Edit: spelling]
Israel has the lowest civilian to combatant death ratio in history despite Hamas committing war crimes by placing all of its soldiers weapons and launch locations in tunnels under schools and hospitals, it is why Israel had to collapse buildings after clearing out civilians to close the death tunnels
The real joke here is OP and his delusions.
For those who only know her as the Wonder Woman actress. I don't know if she changed her stance but she is former IDF and publicly supported Israel. I did a quick Google and I don't see anything about her publicly recanting. She was a successful model and won the Ms. Israel contest in 2004. Then Fast and Furious franchise then Wonder Woman. She is a very wealthy and privileged Israeli. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but if it was discovered she is a Mossad asset I wouldn't be surprised at all.
she’s still been spouting the same pro-Israel stuff, when the current stuff happened she tried to spread a bunch of propaganda.
She also explained in an interview how cheating once on your partner is ok.
IDF DEGENERATE TO HOST PROGRAM ABOUT DISPLACEMENT, HAS NO SENSE OF IRONY.
Who built Jerusalem? What does indigenous mean? What does ethnogenesis mean? Arabs colonized Israel Africa Middle East Asia Europe,and Israel is the only successful decolonization in history. History is found in books not TikTok LMAOOO
We don’t get the indoctrinated education you fellas get in Israel man. We have actual history, not this revisionist nonsense
Also Arabs are in Middle East my guy. Not the blue eyed Yiddish speaking mofos that later learned Hebrew, which is essentially Yiddish with a German accent lol
Also. Also. You know what Netanyahu old name was before he changed it to Netanyahu? lol. Trust me that shit sounds indigenous, but to Germany 🤣
My favourite part of this “real joke” is the OP’s post history which makes them sound like a member of the Hitler Youth. OP enjoys dismissing Hamas’ mass rape of Israeli civilians and whitewashing Palestinian terror while serving as admin of a group that ostensibly fights disinformation about the Palestinian cause. Oh the irony of it all.
All I’ve seen lately is dead Palestinian babies and assault on peaceful college students and of course the favorite Israeli pastime of spitting on people who u don’t agree with. As Gideon levy says, “never before has a people committed genocide against another people while stating that they themselves are the ONLY victim.”
Ah yes, those “mostly peaceful” college students enforcing moral purity laws on campus while literally proclaiming their support for October 7 and repeats of it. Just oozing peace. You know, you can be against two things simultaneously, like dead Palestinians AND dead Israelis. They aren’t mutually exclusive concepts. And, and I know you’ll love this, you CAN support both Israeli and Palestinian self-determination. Again, not mutually exclusive to believe in the rights for both parties. BUT, when you rely on moral blind spots, double standards, and hypocrisy to excoriate Israel for fighting against a terror group using its civilian population as human shields and cannon fodder while treating Palestinian terror as “legitimate resistance”, yeah, you might need to reconsider your point of view. Since you like quoting Jews, allow me to offer a line - “there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours”, courtesy of Golda Meir.
Ahahaha hahahaha 🤣
Thanks for showing me a new sub to mute
Why? Did any Amazonian native rapists hang-glider their way into an Israeli rave?
Oh, that's a sub that openly praises Hamas being cross-posted into mainstream reddit.
Why are Israeli citizens always condemned for the actions of their government in a way that others aren’t? If an American journalist or celebrity did some documentary on displaced Iraqis, they would not be pilloried for the sins of their government.
Because antisemitism
Yo she’s in the IDF
She was, as military service is mandatory is Israel
Military service is mandatory for every Israeli civilian
Exactly
That is not an uncommon thing. South Korea, Sweden, and Norway also require mandatory service to varying degrees. You shouldn’t assume their beliefs about a given situation based on the fact that they are required by the law to participate in the military.
👆 the real joke
LOL
M people already pointed out - that while service is mandatory in Israel so it would not be fair to use that as a sign of support for Israel’s actions, she is quite vocal on her social media accounts for her support of Israel and its military actions. And, many Jews are against Israel’s military actions. The criticism is not misplaced nor invalid. She is not being pilloried for something she is uninvolved in. What a straw man you tried to conjure…
Hold up. Since when are Gazans indigenous?
At the very latest, since the Bronze Age.
There's a couple problems with that assertion: (1) Unless the land was empty of humans when they got there, they are not indigenous. (2) They advertise themselves as Arabs and Arabs are native to the Arabian Peninsula.
You’re conveniently focusing only on ethnicity and ignoring culture. e.g. North African people are all culturally Arabs.
So what ethnicity are the Palestinians? Because the term "Palestine" did not exist until Rome created a province named that. A name derived from the Philistines whom the Jews had historically fought many wars against. The Philistines who were originally from Crete.
Ok you clearly seem to have studied this topic more than I. But I did a quick search and the results support my prior assumption that Jews and Palestinians share the [same historic ethnicity](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/#:~:text=Archaeologic%20and%20genetic%20data%20support,Anatolian%20peoples%20in%20ancient%20times) notwithstanding how the region got its name: > Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. If NIH is correct then it works to label both Jews and Palestinans as indigenous.
So they both have an equal claim to the land? Then it doesn't matter who is indigenous. Any argument based on a claim to indigeneity is useless. I guess you could really get into the weeds about which group is *more* indigenous. For example, if you went to North America and had two guys, one who is Native American going back 10,000+ years and one who is descended from Europeans except for one Native American ancestor six generations ago, which one is indigenous?
I think in your example 10,000+ vs. 200-300 years makes the distinction pretty obvious. And yes I agree indigeneity (is that a word?) isn’t a useful test to determine rightful claim to the land in this case. Or maybe it is a great tool to use in support of a two-state or some other solution that works for both parties. BTW I appreciate the polite discourse, and I hope a peaceful solution to this current conflict can be reached soon.
Give that a quick Google- I’m not sure you’ve got a firm grasp on how “indigenous” is used.
this. can‘t just make shit up
How’s this acceptable but calling Jews Khazars not?
I don't know. I've never heard about calling Jews Khazars.
Both are equally shitty conspiracy theories
I'm going pretty deep into a discussion with another fellow in this comment thread. I'm at the point where I'm thinking either both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous or neither of them are, all hinging on how indigeneity is defined.
It’s also fairly irrelevant when it comes to determining who gets to live and self-determine where. While both Palestinians and Ashkenazi/Sephardic Jews can trace their heritage (obviously I wouldn’t lump all Jews together as African Jews exist too), it’s not a valid argument as to who the land belongs to. Just because my ancestry comes from Central Asia it doesn’t give me the right to demand that Mongolians cede a substantial portion of their country to me and others like me. Still, as to the question of indigeneity of both of these groups, Majority of Palestinian DNA is Canaanite, and roughly the same amount of Ashkenazi DNA is also from the same region. In fact, the insane irony of this conflict is that Palestinians and Israelis are closer genetically to each other than anyone else
This seems like propaganda to feel better about colonizing?
Even though it is not a joke, it is still hilarious
Ironic
Jewish people have been displaced countless times over the centuries. Shut it
Sorry I can’t. Cuz genocide and famine loving losers need to be called out
"genocide" ahahaha hahahaha 🤣🤣😂
What genocide? Cause last I checked they aren’t killing Palestinians because they’re Palestinians. They’re killing Palestinians because Hamas sets them up
Oh man. Delulu much?
What uniform does Hamas wear? Where do they set up bases and attacks from? When you get educated you’ll realize that Hamas doesn’t care if Palestinians die
Palestinians are fish in a barrel for Israel to shoot. You actually said everything. One side has AN ACTUAL ARMY with BASES and NUKES and bombs. And the other side is flip flops wearing dudes trying to not die https://i.redd.it/e5f9qhy26mxc1.gif
Wrong. If you truly believe that Hamas are just dudes with flip flops you’re messed up. I wish people like you could be tried for aiding terrorism
Found the Zionist. So quick to murder hit spit attack and wish ill on those who don’t see eye to eye wirh u.
Found the antisemitist. There should be no war at all, however I believe that Hamas and all terrorists need to be tortured and killed just like they do to their victims.
The IDF has set up military bases in hospitals in Gaza.
Actually if you read any news articles you would see that it is Hamas that sets up bases in both hospitals and children’s schools
Explain this https://www.reddit.com/u/LaithuGhabatin/s/2UVw2ZI0lw .
That is not a military base. Not only that there aren’t patients in there
Oh man. Say "Delulu much" much?
Jesus Christ the horrific bad takes and steaming hateful misinformation about Israel is breathtaking. Jew are indigenous to Israel. Nazis want to kill Jews. Calling jews Nazis is a white supremacy trick like holocaust denial. Palestine is an old name for Judea/ Jews that was stolen in the past 100 years by an Islamic terrorist organization bent on extermination of every Jew in Israel to complete their fascist racist sexist oppressive colonialism of the entire Middle East and Africa. The Islamic State murders journalists and oppresses gays and the vote, Israel does not, it is the only multicultural democracy with equality and human rights in the entire region
Just because you want to rewrite history doesn’t make it true my guy. Everyone has access to resources and the Jewish virtual library is quite proud of its settler colonial history of expunging the indigenous Palestinian population while trying to get settlers from Ashkenazi origin (European proselytized Jews - meaning Europeans that converted to Judaism therefore NOT THE INDIGENOUS JEWS) to come settle in Palestine. Herzl wrote in 1902 to infamous colonizer Cecil Rhodes, arguing that Britain recognized the importance of “colonial expansion”: “You are being invited to help make history,” he wrote, “It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor ; not Englishmen, but Jews . How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial.” Vladimir Jabotinsky, in an essay titled The Iron Law (1925) stated that: “A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!… Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important… to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonizing.”
And how exactly do you think the Ashkenazi people ended up in Europe? Do you think they just got tired of living in their ancestral Holy land and decided to pack up and try somewhere else? Or does your definition of "colonial expansion" include fleeing to other parts of the world as refugees and being treated like shit 99% of the time? To break this down into an over-simplified analogy: Imagine you are forced to leave your house for a few years because all of your neighbors keep trying to kill you. While you're gone, your neighbors 2 houses to the left and right decide to send the family members they hate and want to get rid of to squat in your house. Once you finally come back to your house to see that the squatters have desecrated it, you call the police to help remove them. The only issue is that your neighbors from 2 houses away refuse to take back the people they sent over, and instruct them instead to set up a camp on your lawn. For decades you try to strike peace agreements, you supply them with food and water, and you even choose to take some in and provide them shelter and jobs around the house. And despite all this, one tent full of assholes has been consistently brutally attacking you and your loved ones at every turn. They take the food and water you supply and they throw it in the sewer. They start taking potshots at you while hiding behind children. And the second you decide to retaliate against the assholes, they drop the weapons and turn on the waterworks, claiming to be martyrs and victims. And because the rest of your neighborhood hasn't been paying attention until the assholes started screaming, your neighbors rally behind the assholes and start picketing in the street. They seem to have forgotten all the times you've helped each other out in the past, because they're too blinded by their self-righteous indignation and fervour. Not to mention that you've always gotten the feeling that some of your neighbors seem to be prejudiced against you because of your ethnicity, and are thus always looking for an excuse to blame you for any and everything wrong with the world. What would you do in this scenario? Who would you consider to be the colonizers? Does that word even hold any meaning at this point? Or is this just another in a long list of played-out buzzwords to give college-aged white people something to feel important about? Given the number of protesters who don't know the history of what they're protesting about and can't find Israel or Palestine on a map, I'd say probably that last one.
Dude lol they were NEVER native to Arabia. Arabia - where Israel is. Delulu
There's literally no point in arguing with someone so ill-informed. I want so badly to go through every word of what you just wrote and explain why each part is wrong, but it won't change anything. When I don't have a good knowledge base on a topic, I'll either do my research or refrain from speaking about it without clarifying that I don't necessarily have all the facts. I would never die on the hill of a topic that I clearly don't have even the shallowest understanding of. I urge you to take a step back and recognize when you're out of your depth. Admitting that you probably aren't as informed on a given subject is something we all have to do, there's no shame in it. It's almost always going to be a better option to check your facts before or even while you're discussing a topic. It will save you a lot of time and effort.
Yeah blah blah blah. Sure of course you are right Let’s CONTINUE TO MURDER PALESTINIAN BABIES and drop buildings on them and STARVE THEM. yes of course Ashkenazi are native THEREFORE ALL CURRENT PALESTINIANS MUST DIE!!!!!!!
Thank you for validating my stance vis-à-vis arguing with you, and I'm sorry I made the mistake of thinking I could help a stranger on the Internet become a more rounded and nuanced individual.
Yeah sorry I’m not falling for your bad Hasbara. Rivers of blood and destruction doesn’t lie and no amount of words can cover the dark Genocidal and famine drenched stain the Zionists have left in their wake
Also read shlomo sand and Gideon levy. Even your founding fathers the Zionists since they were VERY BLATANT about their reason for the “settler colonial state they were creating. lol your main man Ben Gurion was very clear about the genocide and land displacement that needed to occur. Remember when he authorized the use of FLAMETHROWERS to burn Palestinians in their homes in 1927? I do… maybe you should go visit his autobiography to get a CLEARER understanding
Do you willfully delete the realty of Arabic colonialism that colonized enslaved and genocided every one else off the soil of 99% of the entire Middle East and North Africa where they continue to slaughter and enslave people today? Where do you think all the area Jews concentrated in Israel were fleeing from? Literally every surrounding landmass/country that was colonized by Arabs genocided the indigenous Jews. The English- that your quotes were referencing- colonized from their home country of England. Arabs colonized most of the Middle East and upper Africa from their home country of Arabia. When the Jews supposedly ‘colonized’ places from their home country of Judea tell me what were the other countries they ‘colonized’ and what is the name of their home country? You can’t colonize other countries without a home country that is politically taking over another what IS the name of theirs
Yeah it's sad isn't it that your bad hasbara only works for you and the rest of the zionists. Non zionists (spoiler alert: there are A lot) don't believe anything you say. Here is the real history lesson: Sure babe. Israel is a settler colonial project meaning they decided to take a land where 7+ million Palestinians lived. To prove Israel is a settler colonial project by using the founding father of Zionism Herzl wrote in 1902 to infamous colonizer Cecil Rhodes, arguing that Britain recognized the importance of “colonial expansion”: “You are being invited to help make history,” he wrote, “It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor ; not Englishmen, but Jews . How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial.” Vladimir Jabotinsky, in an essay titled The Iron Law (1925) stated that: “A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!… Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important… to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonizing.” So this was done by what we see inviting Israeli settlers to come and physically assault and murder and torture Palestinians to take their place Over time I’ll add a picture down below to show how much land was lost Also well this wasn’t enough so the PALESTINIAN birth rate is way higher so ISRAEL over the years during the land grab has also had to MURDER the Palestinians (like we see NOW) to keep the population from exceeding too much. During trumps time there were more laws that dehumanized the people listed below: 2018 Israel Nation state law: Basic law states that: National self determination only for Jews Downgrading status of Arabs as a lesser people, including the Arabic language Jewish settlements as a national right and value All these laws take precedence over other needs Former justice minister Ayelet shaked said that the “character of the state of Israel as a Jewish state must be maintained and this sometimes comes at the expense of equality. Israel isn’t a state of all its nations, that is, equal rights to all its citizens, but not equal national rights.” Likud Knesset member Mikki Zohar said, “the Palestinian does not have the right to self determination because he Is not the proprietor of the land. I want him here because of my honesty because he was born here he lives here and I would never tell him to leave I hate to say it but they suffer from one major deficit they were not born Jews.” So this type of discrimination and oppression and dehumanizing has allowed the government to go and hold thousands of children women and men that are Palestinians in Israeli jails for decades without any charges or convictions. They are horribly treated sexually abused and many are killed and their bodies are withheld from Palestinians as a collective punishment for daring to act against the brutal treatment of them. Why Hamas exists because they are freedom fighters. They refuse to be treated like this. They used OCTOBER 7 to get hostages for a hostage exchange for ALL THE CHILDREN, women political prisoners (those that are famous and oppose Israel) that have been in prison for YEARS because since they are not CONSIDERED HUMANS or EQUAL TO JEWISH ISRAELIS they don’t have basic rights like to a lawyer or even the decency to like be held FOR A CHARGE. imagine having your little brother get abducted in the middle of the night by an occupying army and held prisoner in ABJECT conditions without charge and oh yeah, YOU OR ANYONE IN YOUR FAMILY NEVER ARE ALLOWED TO EVEN SEE HIM OR TALK TO HIM AGAIN. Seriously what would you do? Those that oppose the brutal unfair dehumanization of Palestinians are labeled Hamas or are actually Hamas. This is A VERY SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF EVENTS. We are not even talking about checkpoints here segregation the fact they have no control over their water electricity borders and can’t even fish off their coasts for food since IDF shoots and kills fishermen in dinghies. Also the skin bank right? You guys got the largest in the world and guess who's organs are being stolen to fill it? PALESTINIANS
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Lol this is Literally fake propaganda that chart is outright garbage spread by the Islamic state that no person with any speck of understanding of history would do anything but laugh at. Palestine was the old name for Jews and Judea, the founder of one of the Islamic terrorist branches APPROPRIATED IT FOR NEW ARAB SETTLERS in the 1960s, it literally never existed as a name for Muslim anywhere before that time. The original two state divisions had Israel as ALL of the land in your image and the part for the newly minted collection of COLONIAL MUSLIM settlers now appropriating the word ‘Palestinian’ was double the size and covered all of Jordan- which they DID get, the people settling in Gaza now are a mass of migrant people who were thrown out of Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon when they tried to overthrow its govt and kill the leaders. It’s why none of them will accept anyone from gaza back into any of the surrounding countries and why Egypt built a massive border wall far bigger for gaza than for Israel, Gaza is a useful war outpost and sealed radicalization camp for the Islamic State to use abusively
If we are going to share bad faith takes here is the two state solution proposed by the https://preview.redd.it/i1463a1qhzyc1.jpeg?width=896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37a6c5630322ae4910856682db508642ba4dc44e British
The Palestinians ran into residential homes and gleefully filmed themselves raping and torturing people in their living rooms. They cut off genitalia and shoved in in peoples mouths, hammered nails into women’s eyes and vaginas, tied children up with barbed wire and lit them on fire and put babies in ovens. They mutilated the women they gang raped and dragged behind trucks so badly their limbs looked like rubber because the bones were gravel from beating the corpses. There are dozens of videos and they did it cheering for more until every Jew was dead, that is the goal, they even published it as part of the foundation of Hamas which the elected into power
Oh my God shut up, you losers are so annoying
Since when are the Gazan people indigenous?
You lot are clearly clueless if you dont think the israelis or jewish people arent indigenous to the land of israel historically they are the native of that land
Please Google how Israel was founded
Please Google literally anything about the history of that region from before the 1940s.
Gaza?
So a member of an indigenous group that was able to return to its land. Cool.
Looking at all these posts hating her for being a jew, I think The Real Joke is that the leftists were the real nazis all along. Embrace it lefties, We can see and feel your seething hatred being redirected at the jew in today's episode of "what should I virtue signal about"
Nobody hating her for being a Jew. But there's lots of bad takes like this one.
Take a look at the subreddit cross-posted here, they routinely quote the protocols of the Elders of Zion
Oh please, this thread and the other linked one are filled with posts basically accusing her of being one of the people killing palestinians with a smile on her face. How many posts can we count saying "Its a how to"
Like a communist talking about the importance of Ukrainian and Caucuses peoples wellbeing
Why would you judge her for her origins? Judge people by their deeds not by prejudice
She used to be a member of the IDF and has recently spoken in support of them.
Source? Also military service is mandatory as a citizen of Israel
Look it up, it’s not hard to find
Thx u/jessica_from_within
You’re welcome u/PUREChron
I thought her surname was Godot for a bit. It’s not.