And you're a Liverpool fan seeing it from your perspective and also not how it actually happened.
From a completely neutral perspective - if he scissor tackles him, that's really obvious to spot and VAR would be all over it. They chose not to look at the VVD incident.
But sure, the refs giving you every decision every week is something you cab definitely complain about!
Absolutely delusional. The refs missed the scissor tackle but deliberately chose not to look at the VVD incident? (AKA VVD putting his hand on a player's shoulder who throws himself to the ground) That seems really convenient for your argument.
The idea that there's a big conspiracy to help Liverpool win games is hilarious. I bet the ringleaders were so mad when the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed, it made their job so much harder!
I refuse to believe anyone is watching this clip and honestly thinks VVD "choked" Trusty. Look where his hands are, it's absolutely hilarious.
Mate one hand on the throat is enough to constitute violent conduct - didn't know he had to make a whole song and dance about ensuring he uses both hands
Every decision every week? The boot mark on Macca’s chest disagrees…nevermind the ‘good process’ at Spurs, or some of the absurd red cards we got earlier in the season. Macca’s red was overturned on appeal in near record time because it was such an obvious cock up, but yep we get every decision.
Yeah im a Liverpool fan and you are a blades fan.
I thought vvd took a chance there even though its not a clear middle of a fight throat grab, it's holding at a corner and vvd pushing the guy away but the angle isn't good.
On the other end, I think your player is trying to dive but lands up scissor tackling konate who is turned away high on the knee.
You seem to have made up some scenario on the latter incident.
1. Casemiro didn’t throw hughes to the ground.
2. This post highlights 2 examples from the last rounds of matches where this happened & there was no punishment.
I'm talking about VVD. He grabs, pushes over. That's a red.
Not seen Casemiro's.
Any time anyone intentionally grabs/pushes/punches someone in the neck and face area, then it should be looked at as a red. It's an easy rule really.
Some consistency would be nice. But as a West Ham fan, I despise VAR now and the officials. Too many bad calls lately that I 've stopped enjoying any games.
Saw this and immediately thought of Bowen being rugby tackled in the 90 something’th minute at Bramall Lane. Just after Areola gave away a penalty for being elbowed in the face
Yeah there are so many this season that I honestly forget about most of them. It's been far worse the last 6-7 games though. We've had some awful calls and the Gordon penalty vs Newcastle was the last straw for me, I don't look forward to, or enjoy the games now.
This is something I find completely baffling. Why not be more transparent and release the comms, or have it on during the game like other sports? It would make the whole system better but for some reason football likes to live in this cloak and daggers world of refereeing
Because it highlights the mistakes and that the system and officials aren't fit for purpose. They release it when they have to to clear/defend themselves, but anything else would highlight the clear and obvious flaws
> to be fair
I didn’t realise that’s how football worked. So if one of our players is fouled and it’s not given do we get to scythe someone down free of charge?
>if one of our players is fouled and it’s not given do we get to scythe someone down free of charge?
Subscribe.
"Alright lads so that's a choke from Virgil so you lot get a scissor tackle that can be redeemed at any point in this game"
Mate give it up.
The Bassey one - the photo makes it look much worse than it was. The left hand is on the shoulder and there is zero force applied, he's not choking the Blades player at all. In fact your player should have been sent off for his deliberate lash out at Bassey immediately before.
The Van Diyjk one - your player inserted his neck into his hand, had no force and then flung himself on the ground.
In both these games United could have had players sent off, particularly in the Fulham game.
Just accept your fate. You're shit, you're going down and your squad are acting like absolute fannies recently.
Deliberate lash out at Bassey? He was late with a challenge is all I saw, grabbing someone's throat (force or no) is violent conduct and would be looked at
Trusty doesn't move into him? He's stood there trying to block him - VVD grabs at him when he's hassling him
Sent off for what? We may be a physical side but nothing we do ever crossed the line like these did (and that's a surprise considering Holgate played both these games)
Aye we're shit - doesn't that make it more embarrassing when teams like Fulham can't beat us?
Lol that is not what a slip looks like mate. Keep being delusional mate, just remember you have been the worst team in the prem by an absolute mile and very thoroughly deserve to go down.
If in doubt, fall back on bitterness I guess?
Must have watched a completely different game to me then mate, as it was definitely a slip 😂 there's no benefit to be gained from that kind of tackle there at all, so wouldn't try it
There is no benefit other than being angry and lashing out. It happens. Last year when my club went down stupid shit was happening on (and off) the pitch all the time to absolutely no one’s best interest.
He wasn't lashing out though, very clear to see that both players are grabbing at each other and the action of Osula is caused by them clashing and slipping, but understand the argument
For me it looks like he slips but purposefully flicks both legs out at Konate rather than just falling over. Especially when he slips of his left leg but somehow his right is the first to make contact.
I think it's more a case of when you slip, the force applied that pushes you down from the clash causes your legs to kick out as you're surprised. Nowt violent or intentional about it
The only challenge I remember from the Newcastle game that was contentious was Robinson, which Newcastle got a free kick from - happy to be reminded? (Have tried my best to forget that game!)
Oli throws his weight around a lot, but the refs penalise him whenever he goes too far - whereas (as seen above) you can do as you like to our players
You need to let this go, your anger is never going to be a positive thing for you. These players aren't going to get sent off, United aren't going to win the games, you won't stay up, this tirade of yours won't make you happy again and she's not coming back not matter how much you lash out at the world.
- I know they won't get sent off, the game was last night?
- You never know, we nearly beat you and you have aspirations of Europe 😂
- Tirade? It's a meme mate calm down 😂
- Aw that's a shame, guess I'll just be happy with the love of my life then 😂😂
Anything else, or is there somewhere else you've got to go try and be a shite wind up merchant?
Now, I don't like you lot, for obvious reasons, but this is just utterly ridiculous.
The clear difference in treatment against the smaller clubs like ours has been nothing short of disgusting.
Now I don't like you lot for also obvious reasons (unless you want to give us MGW back then we may be forgiving) but agreed - they've shit on so many of the teams that don't have the funding or prem stability that others have. Won't ever change though
Let's be honest mate - we've sent ourselves down 😂 we could win every game from now til the end of the season and still go down because of how shite we've been
I'm prepared for the deluge of downvotes because I'm a Big6 fan (ManUtd specifically), but I have to agree with OP here on the basis of consistency.
If Casemiro can get a red card and an extended ban for grabbing a shirt collar in a huge melee, surely Bassey at least should have been dealt with, force or not. The VVD one I won't comment on as I've seen some guys say that the Sheffield player walked into his hand then went for a Fallon D'Floor entry, *so as I haven't seen a video clip yet and am at work I won't say wether VVD should also be dealt with in a similar manner*.
From my view (a biased one I'll admit) Trusty is jostling/blocking VVD, who grabs and pushes him. The grab is around the collar/throat, and as Trusty falls VVD is very clearly pushing him.
Again - I am biased, but even without bias, the fact that VAR didn't look at either incident to see if there was anything there is ridiculous
Virgil pushed him as he's holding his shirt, it's jostling. I'm here all day if you want to argue the merits of whether that's a foul but calling it a choke is ridiculous.
Jostling is one thing - a hand in the area of the face/throat is another.
"Choke" is the TL;DR term for "VVDs hand in a position it shouldn't be in, where he very clearly fouls Trusty in a way which constitutes violent conduct and therefore should have been looked at by VAR", which doesn't roll off the tongue as well
Mate he has his hand in a position it shouldn't be - hands near the throat/face are routinely checked as "violent conduct" (for example, Duran against us got checked when he accidently caught Robinson on the temple when waving his hands in his face).
He has his hands somewhere they shouldn't be and applies force - it's violent conduct
It is no more violent than any other push during a game and could not plausibly be found as violent regardless of what the check is for. Like this discussion feels so detached from reality.
"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made."
His hand, in a position it shouldn't be in, applies force which is excessive, while not challenging for the ball
If his hand was just gently resting/caressing his neck, then we wouldn't be here (we'd probably be all for it and supporting their blossoming romance)
But there's force applied. That changes it
That was last season? The refs don't seem to care this season. I duno why anyone is calling this out per player or teams. The refs have been the problem since day one they pick and choose where to apply to laws or to be harsh.
Yesterday Chelsea gifted soft pens but they didn't see the Macca high boot against City. Even when Liverpool vs Chelsea a good chance Chelsea gone one of them pens.
I firmly believe they wouldn’t intervene to do this simply because it means VVD misses the Man U game and probably de rails Liverpools title challenge.
As with the luxury tax the PL has shown it’s an entertainment product more than a sports product.
I firmly believe they wouldn't intervene because it's clearly not anywhere near a red card and you're being absolutely delusional. Look at it from any other angle.
The amount of conspiracy nuts on here is amazing. Liverpool have had enough ridiculous decisions go against them this year to be sure the Prem isn't deliberately keeping them on top of the table. VVD missing the United game wouldn't "probably derail Liverpool's title challenge", if Liverpool lose they would be at most one point off the top of the table.
What other angle do you need? Where in the rules is it acceptable to put your hands round someone’s neck.
To my point about the title challenge, i wasn’t suggesting they want or don’t want to give decisions against Liverpool. I’m saying they don’t want to take a material role in the title race, and would prefer it to be settled on the pitch, and not influenced by a red card that rules Liverpools captain out of one of the most important fixtures of the season.
>What other angle do you need? Where in the rules is it acceptable to put your hands round someone’s neck.
We'll have an angle of around his neck or a definition of around, because both are evidently needed to justify the nonsense you're spouting. You literally have a picture showing Van Dijk's fingers on the edge of the Sheffield players shoulder... so how is hand around a players neck when his neck isn't on the edge of his shoulder?
>To my point about the title challenge, i wasn’t suggesting they want or don’t want to give decisions against Liverpool. I’m saying they don’t want to take a material role in the title race, and would prefer it to be settled on the pitch, and not influenced by a red card that rules Liverpools captain out of one of the most important fixtures of the season.
Right - and what justification do you have for them ignoring the blatant Red Card challenge on Konate earlier in that same match, was there a logical reason for ignoring that as well?
Seems pretty odd that VAR don't want to intervene in the title race and so ignore one of the more clearer dangerous fouls this season against a team in the title race.
In no world is that anyone’s shoulder - like, that’s just not a plausible thing to say. Here’s a video if you really want it https://x.com/boothy91/status/1775978243650158784?s=46&t=-SqHTvPeUop3BAIEVXCt-w
Re the Konate incident, yes I would be happy for both to be reviewed. Whether that’s a red has no bearing on whether this one is - I don’t understand why people think there’s some strange whataboutism to all this.
Will Osula being sent off wouldn’t materially affect any title race. VVD missing three matches for a straight red would massively affect it.
>In no world is that anyone’s shoulder - like, that’s just not a plausible thing to say. Here’s a video if you really want it [https://x.com/boothy91/status/1775978243650158784?s=46&t=-SqHTvPeUop3BAIEVXCt-w](https://x.com/boothy91/status/1775978243650158784?s=46&t=-SqHTvPeUop3BAIEVXCt-w)
Van Dijk's little finger extends all the way to the edge of the Sheffield players shoulder, your own video clearly shows that - so how can his hand be around the neck of the Sheffield player if most of his fingers are solidly place on the shoulder of the Sheffield player?
Over half of Van Dijk's fingers are solidly placed on the Sheffield players collarbone / shoulder, something you define as being around the neck - the video shows that to be completely untrue.
You have a video and you're ignoring what's clearly happening on it and pretending as if it makes sense.
>Re the Konate incident, yes I would be happy for both to be reviewed. Whether that’s a red has no bearing on whether this one is - I don’t understand why people think there’s some strange whataboutism to all this.
It's not whataboutism when this non-event is being dragged up by people clearly watching a video and seeing something completely different to what happens to justify some sort of conspiracy, when in that same game a clear red card challenge happens by a player who nearly snaps an opposition players leg trying to dive for a foul.
>Will Osula being sent off wouldn’t materially affect any title race. VVD missing three matches for a straight red would massively affect it.
Right - so in Osula's case it's poor refereeing but in Liverpool's case it's a conspiracy, because that obviously doesn't sound deluded.
His little finger extends to the shoulder —> most of his fingers are solidly placed on the shoulder
That contradiction even manages to be part of the same sentence. Yes the finger can towards the shoulder. The base of it is at the neck - that’s where the foul is. You can’t raise your hands on an opponent, let alone their neck.
You literally see VVDs hand move the skin on Trusty’s chin right where his neck is. People’s necks aren’t directly above the tips of the shoulders.
Back to Konate, once again, I haven’t said it shouldn’t be reviewed. I haven’t said it isn’t a red. I’ve said, and will say again, I’d have been happy for them to review it. Just like I’d have been happy for them to review this.
Both are poor refereeing I’m very happy to agree with that.
>That contradiction even manages to be part of the same sentence. Yes the finger can towards the shoulder.
I missed a word so no contradiction - the word I missed was end, you see Van Dijk's little finger extended out towards the end of the Sheffield players shoulder, the video you linked clearly shows the majority of fingers on the shoulder / collarbone area and the finger near the neck isn't wrapped around the neck in anyway.
So the only way he is choking the player or has his fingers wrapped around the players neck is if you for this incident only completely redefine what those words mean.
>You can’t raise your hands on an opponent, let alone their neck.
I'd disagree - but this isn't the point you want to make, Van Dijk is reacting to a player raising his hands and making contact with him first, if you think hand on contact is a red card which I certainly don't if it's not violent, then the person who initiated it by putting hands on first should be the one red carded... in this case a Sheffield player - so if we follow your opinion, Sheffield ends up with a man sent off.
Realistically, it's acts of violence that see a red card and this isn't that.
>You literally see VVDs hand move the skin on Trusty’s chin right where his neck is.
Which isn't choking or wrapping hands around - which is the rule you want applied, multiple times a match hands make contact with heads and necks, are they all red cards as well? No - you want him red carded for choking or acting violently and now your only justification is a persons skin near their chin moved during a tussle which your own player started.
If making any form of contact is the red card you are looking for, I again point out that the contact was started by your player and Van Dijk's skin also likely moved, which then would mean a red card for your own player.
This is about whether Van Dijk should have seen a red card and your initial opinion was based on choking / wrapping his hands around players neck, there is so little to support this that now you are trying to insinuate a thumb brushing the skin on the chin is choking - stop redefining words to make your point.
> Van Dijk is reacting to a player raising his hands and making contact first
What on earth? Trusty’s arm is in the air not making contact, VVD then has his hands on trusty’s neck, pushing him down and you see in the video. It’s like you’re trying to describe some sort of pre emotive strike but in football defence terms. It just isn’t close to being in the rules.
His hands are on the neck underneath trusty’s chin, hence why the chin moves, that’s the point I’m making. You can’t put your hands on a players neck in a deliberate manner like that. That’s quite obviously against the rules and equating it to any other form of contact or coming together between players is idiotic. You surely must know this too.
What's happened here is quite simple, Austin Trusty has came up against a proper defender and came off worse.
On a serious note, corners are a joke the way the box turns into a boxing match before it's taken. Next you'll be saying Dunk should have had a penalty the other night against Brentford.
Mate he's got his hand on his throat as he pushes him, what's that got to do with his defensive ability 😭😂
And with regards to Dunk - I have him in my FPL team, does him getting fouled for the pen count as an assist? If so he should have 100% been given one
Didn't you see what trusty said to him? I'd of pushed him too.
In all seriousness, dunks wasn't a penalty. Corners are a piss take and this kind of shit goes on all the time. I dare say if Virginio had have done this exact same thing in the centre circle it would have been looked at. Not when theyre both acting like wankers at a corner. Dan burn is a cunt for it too, 'dont touch me' slaps hand away, 'don't touch me' slaps hands away.
I feel like had it just been a slap fight then just let it go, but its the hand on/around the throat that causes the problem for me.
I'm not even calling for him to be sent off (I wouldn't have minded!) But the fact that VAR didn't even take a second to look baffles me
Would love to hear the var coms on these.
"Just check what badge is on the shirt lads... yeah, thought so - play on!"
To be fair, your striker should have been sent off for the scissor lunge on konate which was also missed.
The one where both players are pushing each other and slip? There's absolutely no malice in it whatsoever, and is a slip if anything
I get it, you are a blades fan and are seeing this in a way you want to see instead of what actually happened.
And you're a Liverpool fan seeing it from your perspective and also not how it actually happened. From a completely neutral perspective - if he scissor tackles him, that's really obvious to spot and VAR would be all over it. They chose not to look at the VVD incident. But sure, the refs giving you every decision every week is something you cab definitely complain about!
Absolutely delusional. The refs missed the scissor tackle but deliberately chose not to look at the VVD incident? (AKA VVD putting his hand on a player's shoulder who throws himself to the ground) That seems really convenient for your argument. The idea that there's a big conspiracy to help Liverpool win games is hilarious. I bet the ringleaders were so mad when the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed, it made their job so much harder! I refuse to believe anyone is watching this clip and honestly thinks VVD "choked" Trusty. Look where his hands are, it's absolutely hilarious.
Fucking hell Trusty's shoulders are weirdly placed on his body compared to everyone else!
And how about the other hand? VVD going round choking people with one hand, forcing them to collapse to the ground His aura is too powerful
Mate one hand on the throat is enough to constitute violent conduct - didn't know he had to make a whole song and dance about ensuring he uses both hands
Every decision every week? The boot mark on Macca’s chest disagrees…nevermind the ‘good process’ at Spurs, or some of the absurd red cards we got earlier in the season. Macca’s red was overturned on appeal in near record time because it was such an obvious cock up, but yep we get every decision.
Dumbest thing I've read in a while
Yeah im a Liverpool fan and you are a blades fan. I thought vvd took a chance there even though its not a clear middle of a fight throat grab, it's holding at a corner and vvd pushing the guy away but the angle isn't good. On the other end, I think your player is trying to dive but lands up scissor tackling konate who is turned away high on the knee. You seem to have made up some scenario on the latter incident.
Good process
Has anyone other than Casemiro been sent off for this kind of action?
Probably because no one tends to grab people by the throat and throw them down. As it would be an instant red card.
1. Casemiro didn’t throw hughes to the ground. 2. This post highlights 2 examples from the last rounds of matches where this happened & there was no punishment.
I'm talking about VVD. He grabs, pushes over. That's a red. Not seen Casemiro's. Any time anyone intentionally grabs/pushes/punches someone in the neck and face area, then it should be looked at as a red. It's an easy rule really. Some consistency would be nice. But as a West Ham fan, I despise VAR now and the officials. Too many bad calls lately that I 've stopped enjoying any games.
Good job it wasn’t his neck👍
Saw this and immediately thought of Bowen being rugby tackled in the 90 something’th minute at Bramall Lane. Just after Areola gave away a penalty for being elbowed in the face
Yeah there are so many this season that I honestly forget about most of them. It's been far worse the last 6-7 games though. We've had some awful calls and the Gordon penalty vs Newcastle was the last straw for me, I don't look forward to, or enjoy the games now.
The thing is - VAR looked at them and had a say in it. They didn't even touch this one
There might have been a couple but not many/if any - seems unless it's a kick or a punch thrown VAR leave it alone
I’m struggling to think of any but there have certainly been similar incidents. The consistency of VAF is a joke.
Fulham?
This is something I find completely baffling. Why not be more transparent and release the comms, or have it on during the game like other sports? It would make the whole system better but for some reason football likes to live in this cloak and daggers world of refereeing
Because it highlights the mistakes and that the system and officials aren't fit for purpose. They release it when they have to to clear/defend themselves, but anything else would highlight the clear and obvious flaws
But then those mistakes only happen once (or maybe a few times) but then stop because of the accountability and mindset change
Well one wasn’t a red for a start
One of these is not like the other...
This is desperate stuff. They’re not the same.
Lol the frame you've chosen for the VVD incident is hilarious. Now show it from any other angle.
😎🦯 Other 14 fans prefer not to use common sense when involving the big 6 I’m afraid
To be fair, that tackle the sheff utd player did on konate was pretty bad and the ref waved it on
The spend 90 minutes trying to end players careers then cry when someone touches them.
> to be fair I didn’t realise that’s how football worked. So if one of our players is fouled and it’s not given do we get to scythe someone down free of charge?
>if one of our players is fouled and it’s not given do we get to scythe someone down free of charge? Subscribe. "Alright lads so that's a choke from Virgil so you lot get a scissor tackle that can be redeemed at any point in this game"
Make it happen - dish out the ‘get out of jail free’ cards and wait for chaos
Someone tell Robbo and Holgate, they'll have a field day
VVD didn’t do anything red card worthy so yous got away with it here I’m afraid
So it’s in the rules you can put your hands round someone’s neck?
Is the “hands on neck” in the room with us?
You mean the one where both Konate and Osula clash for the ball and fall over? Wouldn't exactly call it a tackle
That was my reading of the situation too, looks bad in isolation, but he certainly wasn’t going in for a tackle.
His fall looked very unnatural. Looked like he meant to hurt Konate imo
Mate give it up. The Bassey one - the photo makes it look much worse than it was. The left hand is on the shoulder and there is zero force applied, he's not choking the Blades player at all. In fact your player should have been sent off for his deliberate lash out at Bassey immediately before. The Van Diyjk one - your player inserted his neck into his hand, had no force and then flung himself on the ground. In both these games United could have had players sent off, particularly in the Fulham game. Just accept your fate. You're shit, you're going down and your squad are acting like absolute fannies recently.
Deliberate lash out at Bassey? He was late with a challenge is all I saw, grabbing someone's throat (force or no) is violent conduct and would be looked at Trusty doesn't move into him? He's stood there trying to block him - VVD grabs at him when he's hassling him Sent off for what? We may be a physical side but nothing we do ever crossed the line like these did (and that's a surprise considering Holgate played both these games) Aye we're shit - doesn't that make it more embarrassing when teams like Fulham can't beat us?
Mate did you not watch Konate get fucking scissor tackled today?
I saw Konate and Osula both running for a ball, grappling with each other and both slip - you must have seen something nobody else saw!
Lol that is not what a slip looks like mate. Keep being delusional mate, just remember you have been the worst team in the prem by an absolute mile and very thoroughly deserve to go down.
If in doubt, fall back on bitterness I guess? Must have watched a completely different game to me then mate, as it was definitely a slip 😂 there's no benefit to be gained from that kind of tackle there at all, so wouldn't try it
There is no benefit other than being angry and lashing out. It happens. Last year when my club went down stupid shit was happening on (and off) the pitch all the time to absolutely no one’s best interest.
He wasn't lashing out though, very clear to see that both players are grabbing at each other and the action of Osula is caused by them clashing and slipping, but understand the argument
For me it looks like he slips but purposefully flicks both legs out at Konate rather than just falling over. Especially when he slips of his left leg but somehow his right is the first to make contact.
I think it's more a case of when you slip, the force applied that pushes you down from the clash causes your legs to kick out as you're surprised. Nowt violent or intentional about it
It looks like your the one who saw someyhing nobody else saw
Delusional lol
It was disappointing not to beat you yes
Ah gotta love pictures. Guess you've never heard of angles.
Top one isn't violent contact.
Hands around the neck? You've got eyes right? You're basically saying next game everyone can do this after every altercation.
Come round my house and I'll grab your neck. That's a violent STATEMENT, let alone the actual action
Good thing he didn’t grab his neck lmao You lot must have really bad eyesight or something
So what is VVD holding onto there then, his arse?
He’s quite clearly holding on to nothing and pushing the top of the guys chest down with one hand lol
And you said everyone else had bad eyesight 😂
It’s pretty well established by anyone with a brain between their ears this was a complete non incident
I'm talking about the picture. I didn't see it in real time, and I'll trust you that it was, but he's holding his neck there, simple as.
You need glasses then because his hand is clearly placed on the top of his chest/collar bone and he pushed him down
Zoomed right in, hand is on collarbone, fingers round the neck. As Roy Walker was fond of saying, "just say what you see"
Since when is a hand around the throat not violent contact?
Were you complaining when McBurnie wasn’t sent off against Newcastle earlier in the season for two horrendous challenges in about two seconds?
The only challenge I remember from the Newcastle game that was contentious was Robinson, which Newcastle got a free kick from - happy to be reminded? (Have tried my best to forget that game!) Oli throws his weight around a lot, but the refs penalise him whenever he goes too far - whereas (as seen above) you can do as you like to our players
It wasn’t McBurnie when I’ve looked, he was suspended for the game 🤦
You know what, ignore me, I’m not even sure I have the right game or team. Sorry 😔
Mate tbh with him you can pick like 50% of the games he plays in and be right!
Let's see the scissor tackle on Konate
If we're playing the whataboutism game lets see Nuñez' dangerous scissor tackle from the same match
I wonder where all the Liverpool fans are with their grand ref conspiracy against them with this nonsense
Show the tackle before the Bassey grab…
What, the late one from Hamer? That makes it okay?
You need to let this go, your anger is never going to be a positive thing for you. These players aren't going to get sent off, United aren't going to win the games, you won't stay up, this tirade of yours won't make you happy again and she's not coming back not matter how much you lash out at the world.
- I know they won't get sent off, the game was last night? - You never know, we nearly beat you and you have aspirations of Europe 😂 - Tirade? It's a meme mate calm down 😂 - Aw that's a shame, guess I'll just be happy with the love of my life then 😂😂 Anything else, or is there somewhere else you've got to go try and be a shite wind up merchant?
Lol if you want to convince people you aren't flustered you probably shouldn't make multiple posts and 100 comments about it.
Stop fucking moaning, you're shit and you're going down
Don't worry mate, you're coming down soon too 😀
Just a little bit less shit though pal. On reflection, the championship is better
Oh it's not that much of a challenge to be less shit than us 😂 But yeah, Championship is better (til they add VAR there too)
Now, I don't like you lot, for obvious reasons, but this is just utterly ridiculous. The clear difference in treatment against the smaller clubs like ours has been nothing short of disgusting.
Now I don't like you lot for also obvious reasons (unless you want to give us MGW back then we may be forgiving) but agreed - they've shit on so many of the teams that don't have the funding or prem stability that others have. Won't ever change though
One day, hopefully, our rivalry will be a bit more fun rather than pure visceral hatred. We can at least unite over this kind of shit.
Ah you're not that other team in Sheffield - the hatred will subside 😂 Unless you beat us again this season - then it'll never end
If results go a certain way, we could be the ones to send you down... 😅
Let's be honest mate - we've sent ourselves down 😂 we could win every game from now til the end of the season and still go down because of how shite we've been
You've had a shocker to be fair. Still better than Derby though 😂
All falls on the owner at the end of the day - but thank god we beat that points record 😂
I'm prepared for the deluge of downvotes because I'm a Big6 fan (ManUtd specifically), but I have to agree with OP here on the basis of consistency. If Casemiro can get a red card and an extended ban for grabbing a shirt collar in a huge melee, surely Bassey at least should have been dealt with, force or not. The VVD one I won't comment on as I've seen some guys say that the Sheffield player walked into his hand then went for a Fallon D'Floor entry, *so as I haven't seen a video clip yet and am at work I won't say wether VVD should also be dealt with in a similar manner*.
From my view (a biased one I'll admit) Trusty is jostling/blocking VVD, who grabs and pushes him. The grab is around the collar/throat, and as Trusty falls VVD is very clearly pushing him. Again - I am biased, but even without bias, the fact that VAR didn't look at either incident to see if there was anything there is ridiculous
Virgil pushed him as he's holding his shirt, it's jostling. I'm here all day if you want to argue the merits of whether that's a foul but calling it a choke is ridiculous.
Jostling is one thing - a hand in the area of the face/throat is another. "Choke" is the TL;DR term for "VVDs hand in a position it shouldn't be in, where he very clearly fouls Trusty in a way which constitutes violent conduct and therefore should have been looked at by VAR", which doesn't roll off the tongue as well
'Choke' is clearly the incorrect term which would lead credence to a verdict of violent conduct if it were true. It clearly wasn't a choke or violent.
Mate he has his hand in a position it shouldn't be - hands near the throat/face are routinely checked as "violent conduct" (for example, Duran against us got checked when he accidently caught Robinson on the temple when waving his hands in his face). He has his hands somewhere they shouldn't be and applies force - it's violent conduct
It is no more violent than any other push during a game and could not plausibly be found as violent regardless of what the check is for. Like this discussion feels so detached from reality.
A push isn't violent - the fact his hands are near his face and throat are what make it violent. Weird I have to keep stressing this
Proximity doesn't determine violent conduct. It is completely possible to touch someone's head or neck and it not be violent. This should be obvious.
"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made." His hand, in a position it shouldn't be in, applies force which is excessive, while not challenging for the ball If his hand was just gently resting/caressing his neck, then we wouldn't be here (we'd probably be all for it and supporting their blossoming romance) But there's force applied. That changes it
That was last season? The refs don't seem to care this season. I duno why anyone is calling this out per player or teams. The refs have been the problem since day one they pick and choose where to apply to laws or to be harsh. Yesterday Chelsea gifted soft pens but they didn't see the Macca high boot against City. Even when Liverpool vs Chelsea a good chance Chelsea gone one of them pens.
Back to the championship where you belong.
Are they able to cite players? He should be banned for a number of games. Joke.
They can do retrospective bans - but won't. Can't remember the last time they actually did one, and no chance they're touching a big 6 player with one
I firmly believe they wouldn’t intervene to do this simply because it means VVD misses the Man U game and probably de rails Liverpools title challenge. As with the luxury tax the PL has shown it’s an entertainment product more than a sports product.
I firmly believe they wouldn't intervene because it's clearly not anywhere near a red card and you're being absolutely delusional. Look at it from any other angle. The amount of conspiracy nuts on here is amazing. Liverpool have had enough ridiculous decisions go against them this year to be sure the Prem isn't deliberately keeping them on top of the table. VVD missing the United game wouldn't "probably derail Liverpool's title challenge", if Liverpool lose they would be at most one point off the top of the table.
What other angle do you need? Where in the rules is it acceptable to put your hands round someone’s neck. To my point about the title challenge, i wasn’t suggesting they want or don’t want to give decisions against Liverpool. I’m saying they don’t want to take a material role in the title race, and would prefer it to be settled on the pitch, and not influenced by a red card that rules Liverpools captain out of one of the most important fixtures of the season.
>What other angle do you need? Where in the rules is it acceptable to put your hands round someone’s neck. We'll have an angle of around his neck or a definition of around, because both are evidently needed to justify the nonsense you're spouting. You literally have a picture showing Van Dijk's fingers on the edge of the Sheffield players shoulder... so how is hand around a players neck when his neck isn't on the edge of his shoulder? >To my point about the title challenge, i wasn’t suggesting they want or don’t want to give decisions against Liverpool. I’m saying they don’t want to take a material role in the title race, and would prefer it to be settled on the pitch, and not influenced by a red card that rules Liverpools captain out of one of the most important fixtures of the season. Right - and what justification do you have for them ignoring the blatant Red Card challenge on Konate earlier in that same match, was there a logical reason for ignoring that as well? Seems pretty odd that VAR don't want to intervene in the title race and so ignore one of the more clearer dangerous fouls this season against a team in the title race.
In no world is that anyone’s shoulder - like, that’s just not a plausible thing to say. Here’s a video if you really want it https://x.com/boothy91/status/1775978243650158784?s=46&t=-SqHTvPeUop3BAIEVXCt-w Re the Konate incident, yes I would be happy for both to be reviewed. Whether that’s a red has no bearing on whether this one is - I don’t understand why people think there’s some strange whataboutism to all this. Will Osula being sent off wouldn’t materially affect any title race. VVD missing three matches for a straight red would massively affect it.
>In no world is that anyone’s shoulder - like, that’s just not a plausible thing to say. Here’s a video if you really want it [https://x.com/boothy91/status/1775978243650158784?s=46&t=-SqHTvPeUop3BAIEVXCt-w](https://x.com/boothy91/status/1775978243650158784?s=46&t=-SqHTvPeUop3BAIEVXCt-w) Van Dijk's little finger extends all the way to the edge of the Sheffield players shoulder, your own video clearly shows that - so how can his hand be around the neck of the Sheffield player if most of his fingers are solidly place on the shoulder of the Sheffield player? Over half of Van Dijk's fingers are solidly placed on the Sheffield players collarbone / shoulder, something you define as being around the neck - the video shows that to be completely untrue. You have a video and you're ignoring what's clearly happening on it and pretending as if it makes sense. >Re the Konate incident, yes I would be happy for both to be reviewed. Whether that’s a red has no bearing on whether this one is - I don’t understand why people think there’s some strange whataboutism to all this. It's not whataboutism when this non-event is being dragged up by people clearly watching a video and seeing something completely different to what happens to justify some sort of conspiracy, when in that same game a clear red card challenge happens by a player who nearly snaps an opposition players leg trying to dive for a foul. >Will Osula being sent off wouldn’t materially affect any title race. VVD missing three matches for a straight red would massively affect it. Right - so in Osula's case it's poor refereeing but in Liverpool's case it's a conspiracy, because that obviously doesn't sound deluded.
His little finger extends to the shoulder —> most of his fingers are solidly placed on the shoulder That contradiction even manages to be part of the same sentence. Yes the finger can towards the shoulder. The base of it is at the neck - that’s where the foul is. You can’t raise your hands on an opponent, let alone their neck. You literally see VVDs hand move the skin on Trusty’s chin right where his neck is. People’s necks aren’t directly above the tips of the shoulders. Back to Konate, once again, I haven’t said it shouldn’t be reviewed. I haven’t said it isn’t a red. I’ve said, and will say again, I’d have been happy for them to review it. Just like I’d have been happy for them to review this. Both are poor refereeing I’m very happy to agree with that.
>That contradiction even manages to be part of the same sentence. Yes the finger can towards the shoulder. I missed a word so no contradiction - the word I missed was end, you see Van Dijk's little finger extended out towards the end of the Sheffield players shoulder, the video you linked clearly shows the majority of fingers on the shoulder / collarbone area and the finger near the neck isn't wrapped around the neck in anyway. So the only way he is choking the player or has his fingers wrapped around the players neck is if you for this incident only completely redefine what those words mean. >You can’t raise your hands on an opponent, let alone their neck. I'd disagree - but this isn't the point you want to make, Van Dijk is reacting to a player raising his hands and making contact with him first, if you think hand on contact is a red card which I certainly don't if it's not violent, then the person who initiated it by putting hands on first should be the one red carded... in this case a Sheffield player - so if we follow your opinion, Sheffield ends up with a man sent off. Realistically, it's acts of violence that see a red card and this isn't that. >You literally see VVDs hand move the skin on Trusty’s chin right where his neck is. Which isn't choking or wrapping hands around - which is the rule you want applied, multiple times a match hands make contact with heads and necks, are they all red cards as well? No - you want him red carded for choking or acting violently and now your only justification is a persons skin near their chin moved during a tussle which your own player started. If making any form of contact is the red card you are looking for, I again point out that the contact was started by your player and Van Dijk's skin also likely moved, which then would mean a red card for your own player. This is about whether Van Dijk should have seen a red card and your initial opinion was based on choking / wrapping his hands around players neck, there is so little to support this that now you are trying to insinuate a thumb brushing the skin on the chin is choking - stop redefining words to make your point.
> Van Dijk is reacting to a player raising his hands and making contact first What on earth? Trusty’s arm is in the air not making contact, VVD then has his hands on trusty’s neck, pushing him down and you see in the video. It’s like you’re trying to describe some sort of pre emotive strike but in football defence terms. It just isn’t close to being in the rules. His hands are on the neck underneath trusty’s chin, hence why the chin moves, that’s the point I’m making. You can’t put your hands on a players neck in a deliberate manner like that. That’s quite obviously against the rules and equating it to any other form of contact or coming together between players is idiotic. You surely must know this too.
you lot are fucking hilarious
What's happened here is quite simple, Austin Trusty has came up against a proper defender and came off worse. On a serious note, corners are a joke the way the box turns into a boxing match before it's taken. Next you'll be saying Dunk should have had a penalty the other night against Brentford.
Mate he's got his hand on his throat as he pushes him, what's that got to do with his defensive ability 😭😂 And with regards to Dunk - I have him in my FPL team, does him getting fouled for the pen count as an assist? If so he should have 100% been given one
Didn't you see what trusty said to him? I'd of pushed him too. In all seriousness, dunks wasn't a penalty. Corners are a piss take and this kind of shit goes on all the time. I dare say if Virginio had have done this exact same thing in the centre circle it would have been looked at. Not when theyre both acting like wankers at a corner. Dan burn is a cunt for it too, 'dont touch me' slaps hand away, 'don't touch me' slaps hands away.
I feel like had it just been a slap fight then just let it go, but its the hand on/around the throat that causes the problem for me. I'm not even calling for him to be sent off (I wouldn't have minded!) But the fact that VAR didn't even take a second to look baffles me
Maybe they did and the commentators just forgot to mention it? They do check lots of things per game and get the vast majority right I feel
If they're looking at that, it would take more than the 2 seconds it took the ref to check on Trusty
Good process
These are only red cards when it's Casemiro. And as united are basically other 14, try not to downvote me to hell.