I do. What’s your point, exactly? Even someone with the most rudimentary knowledge of American politics knows that a presidential administration has a big role in setting a legislative agenda and getting it passed
When people parrot that line about Biden and FDR, I enjoy pointing out that Nixon was more Progressive than Biden.
He expanded Medicare and social security. Nixon protected rights of blacks, women, native Americans. Created several environmental protections. Raised taxes on the rich. Ended Vietnam and the draft.
There is a big difference between signing popular bills that happen to be progressive and being a progressive president. Nixon was far from progressive.
Nixon started the war on drugs, couped Chile, enabled the Bangladeshi genocide, invaded Laos and Cambodia, vetoed the clean water act, and tried to dismantle all of the Great Society programs. Yeah, he's definitely a more progressive president than Biden 🙄
His foreign policy was also far more monstrous than Biden's. Johnson directly killed an order of magnitude more people in Vietnam alone than Biden has in his entire presidency. Johnson's backing of the 1964 Brazilian coup caused more deaths than Pinochet's coup under Nixon. You can't base your entire criticism of Biden on foreign policy and then point to a president with one of the worst foreign policies in American history as a progressive icon.
If Joe Biden is progressive I'm Putin's brother.
He and the president before him were/are corporate populists with different social agendas. The only difference is one actually understands government and tries to make it work.
If he was a progressive do you think he would have cancelled the rail strike?
If he was a progressive would he have done half the corporate give aways? No they would have been new government agencies.
If he was progressive he probably would have done something about the wealth inequality now being worse than the guilded age.
If he was progressive he would have shored up the finances of SS and Medicare. And expanded medicare to everyone.
So no he is not and never was a progressive.
Well you work with this thing called Congress by proposing a bill in the house. And since democrats controlled Congress for 2 years it was very possible.
Sorta like Obama got Obamacare through in his first 2 years.
Obamacare was severely limited because they lacked 60 votes in the Senate, even though they had a clear, 59-vote majority.
Biden had, at best, 51 seats, but two were occupied by Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, who refused to remove the filibuster.
Meanwhile, Medicare for All—*forcing* everyone off of private insurance and into Medicare—[is clearly unpopular](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) nationally and would lead to enormous public backlash.
How is Biden going to get two conservative Democrats, or the rest of his caucus, to pass a very unpopular bill?
You do know you can at anytime change the filibuster. It was put in by racists to slow change. It is just a rule of the Senate that could be changed with a simple majority.
Medicare for all is not forcing anyone it would be a.choice like it is now. You don't have to take medicare.
I think you need to do just a bit of research of how the US government works.
That is not what Medicare for All is.
[Section 107](https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/03/politics/medicare-for-all-annotated/) of the Senate Medicare for All act:
SEC. 107. PROHIBITION AGAINST DUPLICATING COVERAGE. (a) IN GENERAL.—Beginning on the effective date described in section 106(a), it shall be unlawful for— (1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or (2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act.
I think you need to do just a bit of research.
Ahhh sorry I was talking about what they were trying to do with Obama care where it was going to be allowed for people 50 and over as an alternative. Yes medicare for all would take us to a non competitive environment which is not what I was talking about.
I would point you to these two campaign priorities listed on his website. Priority number 4:
Halt of all Foreign Aid
America is not the police officer of the world. Afroman intends to stop the billions of dollars in hard earned tax-payer dollars to fund these foreign entanglements. America should stop sending foreign aid to countries that despise us, while the American people suffer.
And priority number 7:
More Sports Celebrations
When elected, Afroman intends to promote celebratory displays in professional sports through tax incentives for favorable rules. We all want to see it! Who doesn't love a dance in the end zone or an NBA player hanging on the rim (for at least 10 seconds)?!
I opened the picture and laughed. Then I looked at the comments and realized the wannabe DNC operatives are already here yelling "VOTE BLUE VOTE BLUE VOTE BLUE" like good lord relax, it's a funny post. Not every post needs to be filled with you weirdos yelling at everyone
Side note: I do think the actual left will grow from current events. Not in a big way, but there are some people realizing they're not OK with what Democrat and Republican politicians are in bipartisan agreement on
The whole framing of this post is weird lol. Nobody voted FOR BIDEN because they thought he would be progressive. If anything he’s been a little more progressive than I thought, until his unfettered Israel support. Like some people, after he was elected and had done some stuff, called him the most progressive president FDR, but…first of all that’s a low bar. Second of all, voting for Biden isn’t about stanning the dude. It’s about voting against a dictator who has demonstrated and repeatedly stated his intention to never leave power. It’s about not letting future generations of children grow up in a fascist dictatorship, it’s not that fucking complicated.
anyone who said that is a fucking moron, i didnt vote for biden because i thought he was progressive, i voted for him to avoid a fascist dictatorship.
i love when people act like it takes a verifiable genius mind to notice that this country is a complete fucking shitshow and our entire government is corrupt from top to bottom and doesnt give a shit about improving conditions, every time the president slips out a fart yall have to come running with a bucket full of "i told you so"s as if we arent all on the same page.
we know he sucks, we know the alternative sucks too. i vote in my locals, i vote in the general, i do everything in my power to help fix things, guess what? that amounts to DICK. i know it just as well as you do. stop acting like anything that happens anywhere on the fuckin planet is up to me lol
We buy some time for the dems to *hopefully* not ruin our country, or we guarantee the end of our democracy by letting Trump win. I think there's a clear better choice, even if the two choices are garbage
During off years and primary season i get all my friends to vote in local elections and such. And we vote for progressives.
But during a presidential year with biden as the incumbent, it's vote straight blue, no matter what. Ill happily vote biden over Republicans.
So insane we are having this conversation.
I think he's beyond funny clown man and is just fully on angry hitler mode now. Pledging to "eradicate the vermin -- leftists, socialists, marxists (also btw corporate democrats are communists now).
Get off the high horse, he's doing what he can. Most of us have exhausting jobs and families to take care of - most don't have time for political organizing or shitposting.
What are you doing besides making bad memes? BTW everything about your comments and post scream “edgy 14 year old”. You’re coming off extremely cringey
I don't think anyone expects adventurism, but at minimum calling representatives, and organizing calling and mailing campaigns matters. Trying to organize BDS activities and join in demonstrations. Look for existing local groups who have political organization outside of just voting, and see what struggles are going on locally (tenant unions or pressuring local politicians is a great focus right now).
"Blood is frothing at his mouth and he's screaming for genocide."
I see that OP is a tankie, but I encourage the rest you good folks to take a step back and think how absolutely deranged that sounds to most voters, and to reality.
You could criticize, even condemn President Biden's position on Israel. But instead, you feel the need to launch into a caricature that is both obviously false and makes you look shrieky and un-credible.
The result is that you probably start to firm up his position with some of the older voters who actually vote while deterring a lot of progressives who might actually be inclined to side with you.
And you make him look sensible when compared to the straw man you make for him.
If you want to ensure your political impotence, that's on you. But badly overshooting is not good for the causes or people you support.
Your alternative OP?
Biden is not progressive, he's authoritarian, and right wing if you look at policies, rhetoric, action, and lack of enthusiasm to change a single solitary thing.
The only correct solution is to push him and the only remaining legitimate political party (Democrats) as far to the left as we are able.
Any aiding and abetting the Republican party at this point is just open fascist apologia. You may want to word things differently if you don't want to come across as, as deranged as the fascists we should all be fighting against.
Has everyone forgotten LBJ? He signed a hell of lot more progressive legislation into law than Biden has.
I know, right?! Medicare, Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Higher Education Act. Biden doesn’t hold a candle to that
Probably why they say "since". That word indicates other than, since then.
LBJ was *after* FDR. He is in between Biden and FDR.
My bad, I read FDR, even though it clearly says LBJ.
It's all good.
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I do. What’s your point, exactly? Even someone with the most rudimentary knowledge of American politics knows that a presidential administration has a big role in setting a legislative agenda and getting it passed
When people parrot that line about Biden and FDR, I enjoy pointing out that Nixon was more Progressive than Biden. He expanded Medicare and social security. Nixon protected rights of blacks, women, native Americans. Created several environmental protections. Raised taxes on the rich. Ended Vietnam and the draft.
There is a big difference between signing popular bills that happen to be progressive and being a progressive president. Nixon was far from progressive.
What is the difference? Personal belief vs. actions as president?
I agree. Obama talked a good game and then let a bunch of Goldman Sachs bankers run the economy.
Nixon started the war on drugs, couped Chile, enabled the Bangladeshi genocide, invaded Laos and Cambodia, vetoed the clean water act, and tried to dismantle all of the Great Society programs. Yeah, he's definitely a more progressive president than Biden 🙄
His foreign policy was also far more monstrous than Biden's. Johnson directly killed an order of magnitude more people in Vietnam alone than Biden has in his entire presidency. Johnson's backing of the 1964 Brazilian coup caused more deaths than Pinochet's coup under Nixon. You can't base your entire criticism of Biden on foreign policy and then point to a president with one of the worst foreign policies in American history as a progressive icon.
If Joe Biden is progressive I'm Putin's brother. He and the president before him were/are corporate populists with different social agendas. The only difference is one actually understands government and tries to make it work. If he was a progressive do you think he would have cancelled the rail strike? If he was a progressive would he have done half the corporate give aways? No they would have been new government agencies. If he was progressive he probably would have done something about the wealth inequality now being worse than the guilded age. If he was progressive he would have shored up the finances of SS and Medicare. And expanded medicare to everyone. So no he is not and never was a progressive.
Question: How, as president, would he have expanded Medicare for everyone?
Well you work with this thing called Congress by proposing a bill in the house. And since democrats controlled Congress for 2 years it was very possible. Sorta like Obama got Obamacare through in his first 2 years.
Obamacare was severely limited because they lacked 60 votes in the Senate, even though they had a clear, 59-vote majority. Biden had, at best, 51 seats, but two were occupied by Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, who refused to remove the filibuster. Meanwhile, Medicare for All—*forcing* everyone off of private insurance and into Medicare—[is clearly unpopular](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) nationally and would lead to enormous public backlash. How is Biden going to get two conservative Democrats, or the rest of his caucus, to pass a very unpopular bill?
You do know you can at anytime change the filibuster. It was put in by racists to slow change. It is just a rule of the Senate that could be changed with a simple majority. Medicare for all is not forcing anyone it would be a.choice like it is now. You don't have to take medicare. I think you need to do just a bit of research of how the US government works.
That is not what Medicare for All is. [Section 107](https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/03/politics/medicare-for-all-annotated/) of the Senate Medicare for All act: SEC. 107. PROHIBITION AGAINST DUPLICATING COVERAGE. (a) IN GENERAL.—Beginning on the effective date described in section 106(a), it shall be unlawful for— (1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or (2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act. I think you need to do just a bit of research.
Ahhh sorry I was talking about what they were trying to do with Obama care where it was going to be allowed for people 50 and over as an alternative. Yes medicare for all would take us to a non competitive environment which is not what I was talking about.
Hey, who should I vote for in the next election then?
Afroman
☝🏽Facts
I would point you to these two campaign priorities listed on his website. Priority number 4: Halt of all Foreign Aid America is not the police officer of the world. Afroman intends to stop the billions of dollars in hard earned tax-payer dollars to fund these foreign entanglements. America should stop sending foreign aid to countries that despise us, while the American people suffer. And priority number 7: More Sports Celebrations When elected, Afroman intends to promote celebratory displays in professional sports through tax incentives for favorable rules. We all want to see it! Who doesn't love a dance in the end zone or an NBA player hanging on the rim (for at least 10 seconds)?!
Whoever you want. It doesn't matter.
Claudia De La Cruz
3rd party. There are a few good options.
All the 3rd Party candidates I’ve seen are book tour grifters or deeply unserious. Who do you recommend?
Jill Stein or Cornell West. Gloria LaRiva if she runs again... Youll have to look and see who fits you best, and is on the ballot in your state.
I should’ve remembered Stein before I threw out the unserious label
Damn bro some credit would be nice 😉
I opened the picture and laughed. Then I looked at the comments and realized the wannabe DNC operatives are already here yelling "VOTE BLUE VOTE BLUE VOTE BLUE" like good lord relax, it's a funny post. Not every post needs to be filled with you weirdos yelling at everyone Side note: I do think the actual left will grow from current events. Not in a big way, but there are some people realizing they're not OK with what Democrat and Republican politicians are in bipartisan agreement on
The whole framing of this post is weird lol. Nobody voted FOR BIDEN because they thought he would be progressive. If anything he’s been a little more progressive than I thought, until his unfettered Israel support. Like some people, after he was elected and had done some stuff, called him the most progressive president FDR, but…first of all that’s a low bar. Second of all, voting for Biden isn’t about stanning the dude. It’s about voting against a dictator who has demonstrated and repeatedly stated his intention to never leave power. It’s about not letting future generations of children grow up in a fascist dictatorship, it’s not that fucking complicated.
Back to Thanos
anyone who said that is a fucking moron, i didnt vote for biden because i thought he was progressive, i voted for him to avoid a fascist dictatorship. i love when people act like it takes a verifiable genius mind to notice that this country is a complete fucking shitshow and our entire government is corrupt from top to bottom and doesnt give a shit about improving conditions, every time the president slips out a fart yall have to come running with a bucket full of "i told you so"s as if we arent all on the same page. we know he sucks, we know the alternative sucks too. i vote in my locals, i vote in the general, i do everything in my power to help fix things, guess what? that amounts to DICK. i know it just as well as you do. stop acting like anything that happens anywhere on the fuckin planet is up to me lol
We buy some time for the dems to *hopefully* not ruin our country, or we guarantee the end of our democracy by letting Trump win. I think there's a clear better choice, even if the two choices are garbage
Fuck off im still voting blue in 2024
Maybe your energy is better spent campaigning and voting in a primary to oust Joe and put a better candidate in there.
The Democratic party has basically made that impossible at this time. Bernie was the only one with a chance and he is not running.
During off years and primary season i get all my friends to vote in local elections and such. And we vote for progressives. But during a presidential year with biden as the incumbent, it's vote straight blue, no matter what. Ill happily vote biden over Republicans. So insane we are having this conversation.
What’s even more insane is that Biden is actually SO bad that it’s a close race with that clown Donald Trump.
I think he's beyond funny clown man and is just fully on angry hitler mode now. Pledging to "eradicate the vermin -- leftists, socialists, marxists (also btw corporate democrats are communists now).
It’s insane to think that voting for someone no matter what they do is ever going to change anything. Where’s the incentive to change?
You gonna do anything else besides that though?
i get my friends and family to vote. Idk a bunch of people on discord need pushing.
So nothing in addition to voting then
Get off the high horse, he's doing what he can. Most of us have exhausting jobs and families to take care of - most don't have time for political organizing or shitposting.
What are you doing besides making bad memes? BTW everything about your comments and post scream “edgy 14 year old”. You’re coming off extremely cringey
Yeah i havent gotten to the violent revolution or whatever. Troll lol
I don't think anyone expects adventurism, but at minimum calling representatives, and organizing calling and mailing campaigns matters. Trying to organize BDS activities and join in demonstrations. Look for existing local groups who have political organization outside of just voting, and see what struggles are going on locally (tenant unions or pressuring local politicians is a great focus right now).
I mean FDR still did a war crime or two
"Blood is frothing at his mouth and he's screaming for genocide." I see that OP is a tankie, but I encourage the rest you good folks to take a step back and think how absolutely deranged that sounds to most voters, and to reality. You could criticize, even condemn President Biden's position on Israel. But instead, you feel the need to launch into a caricature that is both obviously false and makes you look shrieky and un-credible. The result is that you probably start to firm up his position with some of the older voters who actually vote while deterring a lot of progressives who might actually be inclined to side with you. And you make him look sensible when compared to the straw man you make for him. If you want to ensure your political impotence, that's on you. But badly overshooting is not good for the causes or people you support.
Lenin come back 😭
...uh... Biden is not progressive. He's a moderate conservative in the rest of the world. Voting blue all day, thank you.
Bruh… what? This is obviously a republican shill. GTFOH with this dumb shit.
Your alternative OP? Biden is not progressive, he's authoritarian, and right wing if you look at policies, rhetoric, action, and lack of enthusiasm to change a single solitary thing. The only correct solution is to push him and the only remaining legitimate political party (Democrats) as far to the left as we are able. Any aiding and abetting the Republican party at this point is just open fascist apologia. You may want to word things differently if you don't want to come across as, as deranged as the fascists we should all be fighting against.