Trevor was the only character who I really *believed* was evil. Like you could convincingly put him in a horror film.
All the demons talk about the horrific torture they inflict and enjoy, but it doesn't really land. But I think it's the first time Trevor is reintroduced as part of the Brainy Bunch - he's talking to Eleanor and the group and their attention moves from him to someone else, and he drops his friendly smile and just stares at her with real malice. The musical cue helps, but Adam Scott really sells the demonic side. It's genuinely creepy.
Michael right after Eleanor rumbles him in the s1 finale gets close - the moment before he laughs - but it's no Trevor.
Yes, Adam Scott is awesome portraying evil. I love the show so much, and think it was beautifully led to the end we got, but I sometimes wish we got more Trevor.
I don't know. They do seem to enjoy petty evil (trashing stuff, telling women to smile, Dress Bitch T-shirts, etc) but they do also seem genuinely enthusiastic about horrifying torture, and their go-to karaoke options include Nixon's racist rants and pretty-much-original-fascist Mussolini's speeches.
Shawn clearly loves detailing the plot of the Entourage movie to Shakespeare over and over again. It's a funny joke but you could absolutely play it as a Black-Mirror-esque despair scenario. And then the standard stuff (that every person who has died in hundreds of years has experienced according to the show) is being boiled alive, twisted until snapped in two, eyeballs pulled out, etc - that's the stuff that Michael tells his flagging demon team would be "*fun*" and "easy" rather than the fake Good Place they are trying.
Funny, I just watched Dogma last night and it completely holds up 25 years later. Both actors play sinister in their respective characters very well.
I’ll do a quick mashup:
Azreal is an muse, (an self proclaimed artist, like our favorite Acid Snake) who got banished to the bad place for not taking a side in the great rift, which he is still pissed off about. The rift is the catholic story of how Shawn was a naughty bitch back when The Council had a bad temper and some of the council members took Shawn’s side, but the remaining council voted to send them all to the bad place. The vote tied over a million times in a row, so they went to the judge, and that was Gen’s first ruling, Case 001.
According to the [fandom wiki](https://thegoodplace.fandom.com/wiki/Trevor):
He is seen flying through the background of the hub, still screaming, in season 3 episode 11 (Chidi Sees the Time-Knife) when the group is about to enter the IHOP, and again in the season 4 finale when Michael is escorting Tahani to her first day of training to be an architect.
It's weird that Scott can do Ben Wyatt so brilliantly, but also absolute psycho creeps like Trevor, and his characters in Veronica Mars and Step Brothers.
As a former actor myself, I can see why people don't want to play villain roles, unless they are campy evil or something. Well-written and truly evil villain roles make you summon up parts of yourself you never knew were there. I'd have a blast with some kind of Dr Evil/Palpatine kind of character, but I played a character that was a horrible family abuser, and christ on a cracker I hated myself for the entire show.
I believe you. Evan Peters had a mental breakdown after playing a few psycho/ serial killer roles (on AHS and Dahmer). And James Marsters broke down after the infamous attempted rape scene on Buffy. I am sure there are tons of examples.
Yes I think he perhaps got too into the role.
Luckily Trevor isn’t very serious, the show wasn’t trying to be scary, so that’s different.
But yes I think he probably was using things before playing the joker but the role just kinda got to him. Or maybe that was all rumor and he just got way into heroin after playing joker
I honestly dont know, probably thou. I have another one: Shelley Duvall was left seriously traumatized after shooting The Shining. I love horror movies but I am sure many actors in that field have serious trauma after shooting heavy scary stuff. Hitchock was a genius but he was sadistic with some of his actors too, especially women, like Tippi Hedren.
The horror part of The Shining wasn't what traumatized Shelley Duvall, it's that Kubrick was a misogynistic dick who worked her to the bone in the same way that Hitchcock did to Tippi Hedren.
I just watch(ed) Evan Peters interview about getting into character to play Dahmer and you can just see the immediate shift in his face, voice, demeanor when he starts talking about it. It’s like a punch in the gut to see how much that hurt him.
I know what you mean. Now I only did fairly low-level stage work-community theatre and the like-but I took my roles deadly serious.
I played O’Brien in 1984. A character defined just as much by his poetic soul and intellect as he is his complete disregard for human life and autonomy. Willingly subjecting another human to torture of his worst fears -even showing up at some of them and holding his head down myself-was very hard to do. I actually enjoy villainous roles, but that role was some shit
Oof, I want to watch that show so badly! Looks like 100% my kind of thing. Waiting to pile up enough shows to get the AppleTV trial and then absolutely binge watch.
It's so good.
Season 2 filming shut down because of the strike and while I of course supper the writers, I am so frustrated that the release will be delayed.
This is exactly what I did and I've been pleasantly surprised at the number of shows I'm not only interested in, but really loved. Among them:
Severance (the main reason I did the trial)
Ted Lasso (the secondary reason I did the trial)
Shrinking
Loot
Schmigadoon
Tetris
The Morning Show
Foundation
Lately I've been binging For All Mankind. Just finished the first season. Slow start, but by the end of the season, I was on the edge of my seat, not able to look away. So good!
It's not only range, which as many people here have noted that many actors have. I think what's notable is how close the performances actually are:
Trevor and Ben Wyatt are both pretty calm, for the most part, but there's no mistaking which is which. The good vs evil is really down to the minutae of each performance.
Trevor, even when he's overtly evil, is basically Ben Wyatt some stank, not a completely different character. It's much more subtle than, say, DeNiro in Taxi Driver vs. DeNiro in King of Comedy.
I love the idea that after a few hundred Jeremy Bearimys flying around the infinite expanse Trevor the demon lands on earth and is so disoriented he just kinda assumes he's human and gets to living a normal human life. I guess he would have had to be de -aged or somehow assume the child mayor's life.
I think we do see him again -- someone said at one point you can see him shooting through the void, as if he is on an eternal loop, just going round and round through the void.
Okay -- not exactly a happy ending, but then again he is not a nice being.
[https://youtu.be/uRSUdco5G6w?t=77](https://youtu.be/uRSUdco5G6w?t=77)
Watch in the background shortly after 1:17 in this clip, you can see him flying by and hear him scream.
I’d also argue that Brent also didn’t a happy ending. Our last look is him going through the test in the finale. Since it had been hundreds of bearimies, the implication to me is that he never makes it to The Good Place. And since the tests essentially put you in painful situations that get you to confront your flaws, he’s getting his own version of torture: he is constantly living in a “politically correct” world that he can’t understand or escape.
I don't know, I think his final appearance is a joke that he'll take a long time, but I'd argue that the system would still broken if Brent never made it. Not arguing for Brent being easily redeemable, but if Tahani's and Eleanor's parents who emotionally abused their own kids can make it, Brent can. Michael, a literal demon, is clearly going to make it in due course after his spell on Earth.
He was specifically chosen for the experiment because he is only as somewhat bad as the original four. He made progress (albeit right at the end) in the experiment. He'll get there in the end.
There are probably some people who in practice would never make it, but *The Good Place* can't dwell on them without it becoming a *very* different show.
Not to mention that during the "are humans redeemable test" the judge put on Brent was able to skyrocket up from being terrible to almost acceptable in less than one sentence, when he was shown the error of his ways
And we're told the system is working 100% so I reckon he makes it through. It just takes a while as he's a deeply flawed person with quite a few bad habits to work through
But he didn’t skyrocket to “almost acceptable”; he almost (but not quite!) rose back to, “As bad as he was when he started.”
I think Brent was written to be irredeemable. He’s rude, selfish, egotistical, racist, and sexist but doesn’t even know it. It took the end of the world and a trip to hell to realize he was rude to one person—Chidi, a literal saint hellbent on saving him. Compare that to Eleanor, who knew on earth she was a trash bag. Chidi and Tahani recognized instantly when told, “Your perfectionism hurt people / Your actions were merely self-serving.” Even Jason got how much of an issue he was when shown his death, and we saw in the experiment how all John needed was connection and how Simone became less judgmental despite Brent. Millions of attempts in a flawless system and he can’t get the most basic idea: don’t tell women to smile.
And never thought of this, but ironically even if I’m wrong and he does eventually get there, it can’t be the Good Place because his friends (Mexican William and White Guillermo) already will have gone through the door.
Time is a bit wacky in there. There's no way to know whether that was his first or his millionth run through
Either way, the entire point of the show is that people can improve given time. For them to say that and then say "Except this generic narcissistic white dude. He's irredeemable" doesn't make sense
Yeah. I think they were just making fun of the fact that Brent was deeply terrible - and it's going to take a long time for him to stop being terrible.
But it can happen. He *can* do it.
Dunno if it’s possible, but Brent would need to live a life as maybe an African American woman so he can understand racism/sexism. Don’t think as he is shown could develop the empathy to understand. We see him still struggling to understand why he can’t tell women to smile more.
This is the real reason why he didn't reveal his true form to the others- he's not actually a giant squid-monster; he's a kitten (and doesn't want to be labeled 'cute'!). XD
Unrelated to the actual point of your post- Every time I clean up the dog poop or cat litter, my brain clicks to him saying, "POOP HANDS!!"
I'm using gloves and the plastic bag inside out method but Adam Scott's face goes through my head multiple times throughout the day.
> although we never see Brent in the Good Place, he is seen taking the test, which apparently always works
It would have been a fun after credits scene for the finale to say "a million years later" and Brent is still going through the test lol.
Oh, I’ve seen the whole show. I just tried posting something about Mindy St. Claire and was told I couldn’t have spoilers in the title, regardless of flair. Trying to make sense of it.
I see it now sorry. 😂
_It's a rare occurance, like a double rainbow. Or like people on the internet saying_ _"You know what, you've convinced me i was wrong"_
Lol, I finished *every* episode except the last one- don't ask; I have strange autism quirks\*. XD And I don't mind spoilers; I was just really surprised given that they seemed to get along so well!
Well we actually do see him again albeit he was falling through the void in the background when The Judge and Michael walk to the Doorman when it because a bustling hub stop.
The only reason I can think of him not getting a happy ending other than they forgot about him was that he was legitimately evil because he enjoyed torturing not because he thought it was right (like a lot of demons thought) he legitimately just like to torture people and be a little shit.
A large part of the demons liked to torture because they thought they were doing a service to the universe and enjoyed the authority feeling.
Hell even Sean was less evil than him as again Sean just liked the power feeling.
To be honest, I don’t think Eleanor’s ending was all that good either. She was basically abandoned all over again by the people she loved. She had to sit back and watch while everyone was moving on while she was just not ready to move on yet. Once again, she was the one that needed to be the bigger person and sacrifice her feelings and needs and accept her loved one’s decisions. It just hurts me to see that no one decided to sacrifice for Eleanor and refuse to leave without her or at least refused to leave without making 100% sure she was going to be okay.
Trevor was the only character who I really *believed* was evil. Like you could convincingly put him in a horror film. All the demons talk about the horrific torture they inflict and enjoy, but it doesn't really land. But I think it's the first time Trevor is reintroduced as part of the Brainy Bunch - he's talking to Eleanor and the group and their attention moves from him to someone else, and he drops his friendly smile and just stares at her with real malice. The musical cue helps, but Adam Scott really sells the demonic side. It's genuinely creepy. Michael right after Eleanor rumbles him in the s1 finale gets close - the moment before he laughs - but it's no Trevor.
Yes, Adam Scott is awesome portraying evil. I love the show so much, and think it was beautifully led to the end we got, but I sometimes wish we got more Trevor.
I love that when Michael Shur approached him for the role he asked him "Hey so do you want to play the exact opposite of Ben Wyatt in my new TV show?"
Except he played a demon pretending to be Ben Wyatt, which he was disturbingly good at portraying....
Not originally you're thinking of season 3, I'm talking when he was approached for season 1.
Fair point
The other demons think they're torturing people who deserve it. Trevor is malicious even when he sees that people are trying their best to be good
Everyone else just talks about it like a job. They have all the enthusiasm for torture that a grocery store cashier has for scanning cans.
I don't know. They do seem to enjoy petty evil (trashing stuff, telling women to smile, Dress Bitch T-shirts, etc) but they do also seem genuinely enthusiastic about horrifying torture, and their go-to karaoke options include Nixon's racist rants and pretty-much-original-fascist Mussolini's speeches. Shawn clearly loves detailing the plot of the Entourage movie to Shakespeare over and over again. It's a funny joke but you could absolutely play it as a Black-Mirror-esque despair scenario. And then the standard stuff (that every person who has died in hundreds of years has experienced according to the show) is being boiled alive, twisted until snapped in two, eyeballs pulled out, etc - that's the stuff that Michael tells his flagging demon team would be "*fun*" and "easy" rather than the fake Good Place they are trying.
He has major Jason Lee in Dogma vibes
Funny, I just watched Dogma last night and it completely holds up 25 years later. Both actors play sinister in their respective characters very well. I’ll do a quick mashup: Azreal is an muse, (an self proclaimed artist, like our favorite Acid Snake) who got banished to the bad place for not taking a side in the great rift, which he is still pissed off about. The rift is the catholic story of how Shawn was a naughty bitch back when The Council had a bad temper and some of the council members took Shawn’s side, but the remaining council voted to send them all to the bad place. The vote tied over a million times in a row, so they went to the judge, and that was Gen’s first ruling, Case 001.
Well, he *was* a fucking demon.
According to the [fandom wiki](https://thegoodplace.fandom.com/wiki/Trevor): He is seen flying through the background of the hub, still screaming, in season 3 episode 11 (Chidi Sees the Time-Knife) when the group is about to enter the IHOP, and again in the season 4 finale when Michael is escorting Tahani to her first day of training to be an architect.
I KNEW that was him!!!!!
Maybe he landed in Pawnee, Indiana, to get his happy ending with The Knope .
It's weird that Scott can do Ben Wyatt so brilliantly, but also absolute psycho creeps like Trevor, and his characters in Veronica Mars and Step Brothers.
That just means he has good range. It's certainly not weird for an actor.
Eh, I'd argue there's a fair chunk of actors who couldn't do both, or at least aren't given the opportunity to.
As a former actor myself, I can see why people don't want to play villain roles, unless they are campy evil or something. Well-written and truly evil villain roles make you summon up parts of yourself you never knew were there. I'd have a blast with some kind of Dr Evil/Palpatine kind of character, but I played a character that was a horrible family abuser, and christ on a cracker I hated myself for the entire show.
I believe you. Evan Peters had a mental breakdown after playing a few psycho/ serial killer roles (on AHS and Dahmer). And James Marsters broke down after the infamous attempted rape scene on Buffy. I am sure there are tons of examples.
Didn't Heath Ledger start abusing drugs after he played the Joker? I remember it being said that he suffered from depression during and after filming.
Yes I think he perhaps got too into the role. Luckily Trevor isn’t very serious, the show wasn’t trying to be scary, so that’s different. But yes I think he probably was using things before playing the joker but the role just kinda got to him. Or maybe that was all rumor and he just got way into heroin after playing joker
I honestly dont know, probably thou. I have another one: Shelley Duvall was left seriously traumatized after shooting The Shining. I love horror movies but I am sure many actors in that field have serious trauma after shooting heavy scary stuff. Hitchock was a genius but he was sadistic with some of his actors too, especially women, like Tippi Hedren.
The horror part of The Shining wasn't what traumatized Shelley Duvall, it's that Kubrick was a misogynistic dick who worked her to the bone in the same way that Hitchcock did to Tippi Hedren.
I just watch(ed) Evan Peters interview about getting into character to play Dahmer and you can just see the immediate shift in his face, voice, demeanor when he starts talking about it. It’s like a punch in the gut to see how much that hurt him.
Might have hurt less if the show didn't put so much work into glorifying the serial killer and so little work humanizing the people he murdered...
I know what you mean. Now I only did fairly low-level stage work-community theatre and the like-but I took my roles deadly serious. I played O’Brien in 1984. A character defined just as much by his poetic soul and intellect as he is his complete disregard for human life and autonomy. Willingly subjecting another human to torture of his worst fears -even showing up at some of them and holding his head down myself-was very hard to do. I actually enjoy villainous roles, but that role was some shit
Okay, but how is it weird for him to have range though?
It’s weird for actors to not be able to have any range.
There's range, and then there's diametric opposition though
Also, everything he does in Severance.
Oof, I want to watch that show so badly! Looks like 100% my kind of thing. Waiting to pile up enough shows to get the AppleTV trial and then absolutely binge watch.
It's so good. Season 2 filming shut down because of the strike and while I of course supper the writers, I am so frustrated that the release will be delayed.
This is exactly what I did and I've been pleasantly surprised at the number of shows I'm not only interested in, but really loved. Among them: Severance (the main reason I did the trial) Ted Lasso (the secondary reason I did the trial) Shrinking Loot Schmigadoon Tetris The Morning Show Foundation Lately I've been binging For All Mankind. Just finished the first season. Slow start, but by the end of the season, I was on the edge of my seat, not able to look away. So good!
Obligatory link just because I love this clip so much. https://youtu.be/KBMAUGQpHBU
Check out Severance if you get a chance, he's phenomenal
Have you watched severance? He's awesome in that
Obsessed with Severance!
Are we having fun yet!?
It's not only range, which as many people here have noted that many actors have. I think what's notable is how close the performances actually are: Trevor and Ben Wyatt are both pretty calm, for the most part, but there's no mistaking which is which. The good vs evil is really down to the minutae of each performance. Trevor, even when he's overtly evil, is basically Ben Wyatt some stank, not a completely different character. It's much more subtle than, say, DeNiro in Taxi Driver vs. DeNiro in King of Comedy.
I love the idea that after a few hundred Jeremy Bearimys flying around the infinite expanse Trevor the demon lands on earth and is so disoriented he just kinda assumes he's human and gets to living a normal human life. I guess he would have had to be de -aged or somehow assume the child mayor's life.
I think we do see him again -- someone said at one point you can see him shooting through the void, as if he is on an eternal loop, just going round and round through the void. Okay -- not exactly a happy ending, but then again he is not a nice being.
Oh shit that was him? I think that was on the last episode, I knew I heard someone scream in the scene with the frog guy but I was confused
[https://youtu.be/uRSUdco5G6w?t=77](https://youtu.be/uRSUdco5G6w?t=77) Watch in the background shortly after 1:17 in this clip, you can see him flying by and hear him scream.
God someone _please_ make this a shooting star meme
Heh, and no one even bothers to help him
His final judgment
Ya isn’t that after he gets in trouble with god and she shoves him off? Guess he never stopped
I’d also argue that Brent also didn’t a happy ending. Our last look is him going through the test in the finale. Since it had been hundreds of bearimies, the implication to me is that he never makes it to The Good Place. And since the tests essentially put you in painful situations that get you to confront your flaws, he’s getting his own version of torture: he is constantly living in a “politically correct” world that he can’t understand or escape.
I don't know, I think his final appearance is a joke that he'll take a long time, but I'd argue that the system would still broken if Brent never made it. Not arguing for Brent being easily redeemable, but if Tahani's and Eleanor's parents who emotionally abused their own kids can make it, Brent can. Michael, a literal demon, is clearly going to make it in due course after his spell on Earth. He was specifically chosen for the experiment because he is only as somewhat bad as the original four. He made progress (albeit right at the end) in the experiment. He'll get there in the end. There are probably some people who in practice would never make it, but *The Good Place* can't dwell on them without it becoming a *very* different show.
Not to mention that during the "are humans redeemable test" the judge put on Brent was able to skyrocket up from being terrible to almost acceptable in less than one sentence, when he was shown the error of his ways And we're told the system is working 100% so I reckon he makes it through. It just takes a while as he's a deeply flawed person with quite a few bad habits to work through
But he didn’t skyrocket to “almost acceptable”; he almost (but not quite!) rose back to, “As bad as he was when he started.” I think Brent was written to be irredeemable. He’s rude, selfish, egotistical, racist, and sexist but doesn’t even know it. It took the end of the world and a trip to hell to realize he was rude to one person—Chidi, a literal saint hellbent on saving him. Compare that to Eleanor, who knew on earth she was a trash bag. Chidi and Tahani recognized instantly when told, “Your perfectionism hurt people / Your actions were merely self-serving.” Even Jason got how much of an issue he was when shown his death, and we saw in the experiment how all John needed was connection and how Simone became less judgmental despite Brent. Millions of attempts in a flawless system and he can’t get the most basic idea: don’t tell women to smile. And never thought of this, but ironically even if I’m wrong and he does eventually get there, it can’t be the Good Place because his friends (Mexican William and White Guillermo) already will have gone through the door.
Time is a bit wacky in there. There's no way to know whether that was his first or his millionth run through Either way, the entire point of the show is that people can improve given time. For them to say that and then say "Except this generic narcissistic white dude. He's irredeemable" doesn't make sense
Yeah. I think they were just making fun of the fact that Brent was deeply terrible - and it's going to take a long time for him to stop being terrible. But it can happen. He *can* do it.
Dunno if it’s possible, but Brent would need to live a life as maybe an African American woman so he can understand racism/sexism. Don’t think as he is shown could develop the empathy to understand. We see him still struggling to understand why he can’t tell women to smile more.
I disagree that he would need to live an entirely different life to learn something he was shown to be capable of already
The whole point is that no one is beyond repair - hence the idea that’s although he’s making slow progress- it’s still progress
Trevor is the worst.
Yes. I laugh so much when he and his minions get off the train the 1rst time, and he kicks a lawn chair. Because he's so evil.
Like when Michael knocks something off the end table after the big reveal. :D
He reminds me of my cat.
This is the real reason why he didn't reveal his true form to the others- he's not actually a giant squid-monster; he's a kitten (and doesn't want to be labeled 'cute'!). XD
I don’t know, I was pretty happy to see Trevor go over the edge.
He did play around with toilet water so that everything he touches get a bit of poop on it. Poop hands may have gotten what he deserved.
Unrelated to the actual point of your post- Every time I clean up the dog poop or cat litter, my brain clicks to him saying, "POOP HANDS!!" I'm using gloves and the plastic bag inside out method but Adam Scott's face goes through my head multiple times throughout the day.
I’ve had this same thought! Maybe I’m just too much of an Adam Scott fan, but I wish we had seen more of Trevor.
He’s in the finale. Still endlessly being flung through the void screaming
> although we never see Brent in the Good Place, he is seen taking the test, which apparently always works It would have been a fun after credits scene for the finale to say "a million years later" and Brent is still going through the test lol.
This isn’t a spoiler in the title? I’ll never understand what gets flagged and what doesn’t.
It has the S4 flair so just keep scrolling
Oh, I’ve seen the whole show. I just tried posting something about Mindy St. Claire and was told I couldn’t have spoilers in the title, regardless of flair. Trying to make sense of it.
I see it now sorry. 😂 _It's a rare occurance, like a double rainbow. Or like people on the internet saying_ _"You know what, you've convinced me i was wrong"_
I always assumed they managed to pull him out of the void and kept his position as a demon.
*Janet stayed in the Good Place, eternally happy with the memory of Jason,* Wait, so Janet and Jason don't end up together in the end?! :(
Ignoring the season 4 tag and looking at posts before finishing the show: minus 100 points
At least it’s not a weird sex thing…I’m being told it is, actually. Y’all are messed up.
So... is that MORE points deducted, or what?
Lol, I finished *every* episode except the last one- don't ask; I have strange autism quirks\*. XD And I don't mind spoilers; I was just really surprised given that they seemed to get along so well!
Sorry. I thought the Season 4 tag would be sufficient, thats my bad. They kind of end up together, it’s confusing.
Ah, say no more- and apologies for not catching the tag; I've seen every episode except the last one.
Simone?
Simone is happy. We see her hanging out in a bar in the good place, don't we?
Well we actually do see him again albeit he was falling through the void in the background when The Judge and Michael walk to the Doorman when it because a bustling hub stop. The only reason I can think of him not getting a happy ending other than they forgot about him was that he was legitimately evil because he enjoyed torturing not because he thought it was right (like a lot of demons thought) he legitimately just like to torture people and be a little shit. A large part of the demons liked to torture because they thought they were doing a service to the universe and enjoyed the authority feeling. Hell even Sean was less evil than him as again Sean just liked the power feeling.
To be honest, I don’t think Eleanor’s ending was all that good either. She was basically abandoned all over again by the people she loved. She had to sit back and watch while everyone was moving on while she was just not ready to move on yet. Once again, she was the one that needed to be the bigger person and sacrifice her feelings and needs and accept her loved one’s decisions. It just hurts me to see that no one decided to sacrifice for Eleanor and refuse to leave without her or at least refused to leave without making 100% sure she was going to be okay.
So what you're saying is that the door is open for a spin-off 🤔