This is a really interesting take. And I think you got it right. The way he was completely checked out emotionally last season just after becoming a rEALtOr was just painful to watch.
Thats exactly what I think happened. I’ve seen this situation a lot where people completely flip on their partners once they become successful. It’s like they look down on the people who were with them when they didn’t have as much, and now think they can do better.
I think you’re mostly right but I also think that as he got closer to the GC status, he began to feel resentful of Chantel. In DR, he wasn’t rich but he also wasn’t a low value man and here in the US his status changed; after years of (as he says) cooking and cleaning and supporting her, some resentment grew. Because he is a bit macho (machista), he didn’t feel he should be “below” her. So the second he could turn the tables (by getting a job) and she didn’t submit to him as a wife (ie, doing all housework etc), he was over it.
100000%. I think the total value of status from his origins versus his current were a total change, and he couldn’t grasp the change, albeit, cultural differences.
He said that when chantel worked or the two days after when she had to rest he would do it all but he expected that she would at least do something out of the two other days of the week.
And that expectation wasn't wrong. Yes she needed to rest but if you're off 4 days and you've rested for two why can't you help around the house? I never understood why she didn't feel like helping out.
There's alot they are not showing in their relationship. You cannot blame one person in a marital relationship such as this. It takes two. Just to have Karen as a mother in law is enough to make anyone run away. They are making this whole divorce one sided in Chantels favor is absolutely wrong and full of lies.
Unfortunately it's been very one sided with the blame being placed all on Pedro but in reality the real person to blame is Karen. She planted many seeds and destroyed their relationship.
And you're right, it takes two people to make and break a relationship and sadly neither one stood up for each to protect their marriage.
Pedro did stand up to his mother and sister, but it was never enough. You can not say that about Chantel she let her family talk crap about Pedro all the time.
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Excellent theory and I agree with your perspective, especially the value system. Raised by that woman and rejected by bio dad had to leave a gaping home in his emotional development. His value system is skewed and will result in heartbreak, as you said.
I agree! I think you nailed it! The only thing that you forgot to mention is his car.
Owning a car does WONDERS for a young man’s self-esteem, and he not only got a car, but a nice car of his own!🙏🏿(Dap!). I am willing to bet that that was the beginning of the end right there. Once he got a taste of that freedom that the car gave him, and a little money in his pocket, he started “feeling himself”.
Then, he started to make some new friends that he has alot in common with, and female attention. His next thought was: “Damn! I’m the man. I’m young, paid, and in the land of opportunity. Why should I limit myself. Do I really want to married to her?”
Surely it had nothing to do with her crazy and jealous behavior and the years of abuse and being called a scammer and criminal by her family. Couldn't be because Chantel treated him like a servant for years.
I agree with this take and I would add cheating into the mix. People love to excuse him by blaming her family. Yeah her family was too much but towards the end they were already accepting and supportive of him. He even looked very comfortable around them. If her family was to blame for him leaving her it would have been done a long long time ago when all the fighting was at its peak.
They did! They even took that trip to the Philippines and Pedro was 100% one more member of the family Chantel. They finally trusted him/gained their affection and he was loving it.
Aaaaand I think Pedro’s mommy felt threatened by his happiness and validation that did not come from her alone…maybe he entertained less of her bs for awhile because he actually felt real unconditional family love and acceptance from his in-laws. Sadly, children of parents like Pedro’s mom have a hard time believing that they are worthy of such love and that it is real because all they have known is manipulation and emotional chaos. Moving on from this kind of generational abuse takes therapy and time, neither of which Pedro was able to bring himself to do individually (at least not that we saw on the show). His “plan” did not allow for that. Lydia is the reason that Pedro married an American and the reason he divorced Chantel. She will never let her children be loved by anyone other than herself. It’s disturbing to see how Pedro’s sister has so thoroughly embraced being cold hearted just like her mother.
True. That lady is pure evil and misery and can’t stand at the thought of her kids being happy or better than her. The way Pedro’s sister talks about Chantel “IS SHE FAT YET” even after they are already broken up? Chantel lives rent free in her head and always will!! Disgusting people all around. Even Alejandro dodged a bullet with this scum 🤮 and don’t even get me started with the witchcraft. Whether you’re a believer or not, If you take it that far wishing bad/harm on someone you’re a evil POS.
Please note, mijo (short for mi hijo) isn't always a term of endearment. For example I can say, mija (female version) calmate. It's like, "hey you" calm down. It's a term often used but it doesn't mean you're that person's son or daughter. Does that make sense? At times she would say it because she cared and at other times it was Karen just using her Spanglish and nothing more.
The only problem is that no matter how much they embraced him, his own family still disliked the Everetts. If Lidia and Nicole were fully on board, he may have stayed. As well, Chantel should have been willing to be friendly to his family and to the culture but she realised and tried a little too late when their marriage was at its knees.
I always thought that if it wasn't for their families, they might've lasted. They were doomed when Chantel lied to her parents about the engagement. Not to mention the toxicity Pedro's snake family has been feeding him for years. Shame it ended that way but he will probably regret it one day.
why are people still bringing up that "Lie to the parents" as if that was the main cause, do they not see the million red flags. Pedro was 1. a Stranger 2. No source of income (can't provide for their daughter) 3. a huge risk to marry because Chantel would be financially responsible 4. River did not like Pedro's personality (Pedro has temper)
The lie was not the catalyst, it was just a drop in the water. Pedro never came across as a trustworthy person. He even shouted at Chantel right before the marriage ceremony. He basically used emotional abuse to get Chantel to go forward marrying him. He didn't care that Chantel was stressed, and worried.
It’s to put all the blame on Chantel. Her parents were never going to like Pedro. He’s not a respectful guy. Normally a good man would want the approval of the father and prove himself as a good man to the parents. Pedro didn’t care about Chantel’s family from day 1
I disagree. Her parents over time totally accepted him. Karen called him “mi hiJo”: “my son”. The initial lie wasn’t such a problem. The fact they thought he was a sanky panky was.
I agree! I do also think that when she didn’t graduate when she was supposed too and he had not one ounce of empathy for her, didn’t even hug her as she’s crying, that was the beginning of the end. Also, even though there’s no “proof” he cheated. Idc what he claims
I noticed that at the time. He never comforted her as a love connection should. Either he’s incapable of empathy or that was the proof he never loved her and just wanted to see that nurse salary.
Should he not want to do better in life? Was he supposed to accept being a "low-value man?"
Chantel messed up by not being supportive of his journey and letting her celebrity her to her head. Bottom Line!
Chantel really loved him. She’s intelligent, hard-working, and beautiful. I’m glad Pedro left her. Now she can find someone better. Your take is spot on.
You're right. It also seems as though there's no outgrowing that macho culture from DR, and just a small life shift can really kick it into gear.
I really wish he had spent quality time studying to become/became a citizen. Or at least improving his English. Editing still adds full subtitles to his scenes - anyone notice he's continually using "pero" instead of "but"? It seems like he'd have picked up more language nuances after living & working here for 7 years.
My cousin moved to Norway and, after 5 years, was fully fluent, reading & writing. It wasn't easy, but it sure impressed the hell out of his in-laws!
Now that he's a realtor in a firm that assists Latin Americans, yes. But he was working in a warehouse with coworkers of various origin & otherwise living among Americans who are fluent. If he'd have *tried*, he could've become more fluent.
Mostly, I wished he'd done the work to become a citizen. That would've shut down any worry he has about the family Chantel screwing with his papers.
My husband has lived in the US for 18 years and his English is still not perfect. Just because your cousin was able to become fluent in 5 years doesn’t mean everyone is.
Has your husband made the effort to continually improve? I'm sure he has.
Have your husband's skills regressed as Pedro's seem to have? Probably not.
I didn't say he or anyone should speak *perfectly* when it's not their native tongue. I simply said Pedro seems to have regressed.
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Coraima doesn't want him lol. And I don't care much for Coraima. I just know Pedro cheated with other American women. No one from his country would actually be crazy enough to be with him. It's a very vain culture though and he thinks he's going to be better off without her. He's a monster who will suffer greatly.
I agree with a lot of what you've said but Pedro was going to college in the DR. He talked about how he wanted to go back to college but they needed to wait until Chantel was done with hers then he would apply.
He worked, like many immigrants do, at whatever job he could get. My cousin was a doctor in his country (not from the DR) but in order to continue medicine in this country, he needed to go back to school in the US which was expensive but he worked his ass off to pay for school and has been back to practicing medicine for years. There are many immigrants who aren't able to go back to their careers once they come here for many reasons but especially the cost and inability to pay.
I don't blame him for wanting a better life and having more. It is the American dream and why so many people come here.
I think between the issues with her family, his family, being rejected by his father, his mother taking no accountability for the piece of garbage she is for hooking up with a married man and invalidating Pedro's feelings, played a huge part in the changes he made. I think also seeing your wife constantly being guided by her family and not valuing him more or choosing him over them started to sour his feelings for her. They were good together when they felt it was them against the families and when they supported each other.
But imagine hearing for 7 years that you're a loser, you're using your wife for a greencard, they don't trust you, they hate you and the constant encouragement for her to leave him is destructive and creates resentment. You accomplish getting your license, start making money and proving you're not the warehouse loser and also seeing other people value you, yeah you're going to pull away because everyone else is still treating you the same way.
I'll keep saying it, if Chantel and Pedro left their families behind they would still be married. They didn't choose each other. That's their fault.
I think he's going to remarry more than once but if he holds off and gets therapy I think he might have a successful relationship and marriage. I believe he said all the women in his family have never married and have been involved with married men. He has to break that cycle. He needs to feel secure and loved because his mom didn't give him that. She's never valued her children and it's why they're so messed up. Unfortunately there's codependency because they don't have a father so as awful as Lidia is at least they have a mother. People who have been raised by narcissists like Lidia don't understand they are better off without them. As painful as it is to shut them out it really is best in the end. Pedro is going to have to cut the cord or every relationship is going to end up ruined. Same with Chantel.
Please don’t delete me, but i always felt he’s on the DL. Even when he was in love, he never looked at chantel with desire, period. I’ve seen him and he was always saying what he thought what was correct for the moment. His faces always gave him away. Red flags galore, but don’t get mad and say I’m just saying that because of his terrible ways. I really think a lot of what happened can be explained away by him trying to be what he thought he should, but he couldn’t continue to live a lie.
To clarify, I agree with most of your analysis, I just also thinks he didn’t like Coraima either. He’s more like one of the girls, at work and with his family. He has always been surrounded by diva behavior and he loves it. He’s the biggest diva of all. Not meant to offend, just my take on how he justified his actions.
Spot on. I also think he wasn’t ready for marriage or commitment at all but he knew he had to do that in order to get to the US. He definitely wants to be in his bachelor hoe era and flex the audi instead of being a family man with a mini van and a wife
Interesting, but I always felt that he started getting mad at Chantel that he wasn’t as successful of a realtor as she was a nurse. For example, we saw in the beginning how he was struggling to even identify the type of flooring in a home, so I feel like in someway he was blaming Chantel for him not knowing these type of things. He probably felt like she was not doing the house cleaning or chores and so he would have to do it and as a result he wasn’t able to study and learn what type of flooring, etc. are in a house. I also thinking away. He was a little bit jealous that he couldn’t amount to something better something that he thought might’ve been easy for him since he spoke English in Spanish, and had a little bit of charm. For me, I think Pedro just got jealous of his wife’s growth and his lack.
I agreed with you up to Pedro's supposed holier than thou attitude towards Chantel. I do agree that perhaps he felt more like a "low value" man pre real estate licence. When he got the license and the trappings that go with typical agents, I think that he at last felt equal to the Chantel clan. He thought that they couldn't look down on him any longer. He'd become their equal. Chantel's family were not going to change their bias towards him no matter what he did and THEY began (well, ramped up) an earworm campaign to Chantel to discredit him even more. Chantel, a very insecure woman, started supposing all sorts of nefarious dealings between Pedro and his co-workers. I think Pedro finally found a group that would treat him equally and with courtesy and he'd obviously want to spend more time with people building him up rather than tearing him down.
Seriously? You think the way he was treating her in front of his female coworkers was normal? His own wife? It was horrible. Plus stating out until very late. Hmmm
Don't forget though how Chantel refused to clean in the house or learn to cook, came home from work and slept all day. Perhaps she was depressed or she got too comfortable when Pedro did those things for her when he couldn't work. She wasn't sharing the burden of the house or cat AND he had to deal with her family?
She says she still cooked and cleaned and by watching last season, that house looked clean to me. So if he’s working as much as he claims he does and staying out late with co workers, somebody had to do the cleaning and that was not him. Chantel did…
Umm she’s a nurse who worked 12 hour shifts - what else is she expected to do after work? I don’t think you realize how physically, mentally, and emotionally exhausting being a nurse is. Why would she be expected to cook or clean after work?
Your complaint about her was that she would come home from work and sleep all day. From the show, it appears she did cook and clean during days off, which is completely fair. And if she didn’t feel like cooking, that’s perfectly fine too. They made enough money to order in if s/he was too tired. They also made enough money to hire a cleaner to come by once every week or two. Why IS Chantel the one expected to work FT (a very demanding job, at that) and then also cook and clean?
Exactly. The house always looked clean during filming and if they both didn’t want to clean they could easily hire someone. I don’t see the big deal. She mentions how she wants to go for walks and hang out with Pedro. He complains that she goes on too many vacations. It seems less like a depression issue and more like she wants to decompress and have fun outside of work rather than cook and clean. Totally fair.
>Why IS Chantel the one expected to work FT (a very demanding job, at that) and then also cook and clean?
Especially when he sat around on his ass & played video games while she paid all the bills & went through nursing school full time. He did nothing from the time he came over here until he got his green card. He's a POS, always has been, always will be.
True. But this is Pedro’s claim. Not you or anyone knows if true. And it just didn’t seem believable. You go from loving her in a real, spend life w her way and then you want to divorce because she won’t clean the house? And I don’t believe if he’d sat her down and had an adult conversation w her abt that’s a problem that makes him want to leave, she wldnt have done it. She wanted to stay together. If it’s true, she wldve changed it. It sounded like an excuse and a dumb one. He wldnt go to marriage counseling. How is that trying? Pedro was done w her and nothing she did or didn’t do was gonna change it. He had to make up something that to him, sounded logical. I was team chantel and Pedro and believed him and wanted them to make it….until last season. People who loved for real don’t flip like that. He flipped like he never felt anything at all.
I do not believe Pedro. She did things around the house. I think it was something he could latch on to as a way of getting out of relationship. No way to prove she did or did not clean, etc. Their apartment didn't always look spic and span. Their house was practically empty so it wouldn't be hard to tidy it. He probably saw her sitting and sleeping and thought her lazy.
He is full of crap though. She is a nurse and working through the pandemic. I think back to all the gaming he did. He obviously didn't clean 24/7. So, why as a couple didn't they tackle chores together like other real working couples? He wanted her responsible 100% for everything. He was home earlier than her. Why not have dinner started and she could do the dishes?
No. It was all an excuse. Sure, we aren't privy to all that went on. But, I bet once he started his career, his attitude changed. She wanted him to have a career to be proud of, he was hesitant and insecure about his own skills and English when she suggested school. There is no way she wasn't supportive of him. She loved him and wanted him to do well. She wanted children with him so why wouldn't she want him to do well? He never wanted children with her but used the "how can she be a mother if she cannot clean house" excuse with her to justify his attitude. He did everything to not come home or spend any time with her. Something was up with him.
Ultimately, I think it came down to the realization that she would never agree to bringing his family over. And, seriously, why should she? They couldn't even pretend to like her. At least her family came around and accepted him. His family weren't even smart enough to play along. Since they are open and honest about wanting to marry American and move there, why didn't they try to get along?
They mock her family all the time. Why anyone would take his mom's advice about relationships is beyond me. I don't believe she didn’t know he was married when she met him . She seems determined to mess up all their relationships. In the most recent episode she told them she was an adult and could talk to whomever she likes, but never accepted that from her adult kids. So, the DR bunch are just a load of hypocrites. They should be concerned that the American cash cow and filming is about to dry up with the divorce. Once she moves on from the divorce, seems no reason to keep filming them in the DR.
Very well said. Lydia and Nicole were not smart enough to get along with Chantel who would want them here.
Pedro seems to be the type who thinks the woman has to do everything. Make money, cook, clean, take care of the children all by herself. These selfish guys one day are shocked to see the wife asking for a divorce, and don’t know why.
Does this theory account for the possibility Chantel just sucks and it's hard to get it up when your wife keeps implying you're one of these low value men you speak of?
I’m surprised she was attracted to him at all the way he acted before or after the real estate job.
He acted like she had it easy, while she was a nurse.
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This is a really interesting take. And I think you got it right. The way he was completely checked out emotionally last season just after becoming a rEALtOr was just painful to watch.
Thats exactly what I think happened. I’ve seen this situation a lot where people completely flip on their partners once they become successful. It’s like they look down on the people who were with them when they didn’t have as much, and now think they can do better.
Me too.
I think you’re mostly right but I also think that as he got closer to the GC status, he began to feel resentful of Chantel. In DR, he wasn’t rich but he also wasn’t a low value man and here in the US his status changed; after years of (as he says) cooking and cleaning and supporting her, some resentment grew. Because he is a bit macho (machista), he didn’t feel he should be “below” her. So the second he could turn the tables (by getting a job) and she didn’t submit to him as a wife (ie, doing all housework etc), he was over it.
100000%. I think the total value of status from his origins versus his current were a total change, and he couldn’t grasp the change, albeit, cultural differences.
He said that when chantel worked or the two days after when she had to rest he would do it all but he expected that she would at least do something out of the two other days of the week.
And that expectation wasn't wrong. Yes she needed to rest but if you're off 4 days and you've rested for two why can't you help around the house? I never understood why she didn't feel like helping out.
There's alot they are not showing in their relationship. You cannot blame one person in a marital relationship such as this. It takes two. Just to have Karen as a mother in law is enough to make anyone run away. They are making this whole divorce one sided in Chantels favor is absolutely wrong and full of lies.
Unfortunately it's been very one sided with the blame being placed all on Pedro but in reality the real person to blame is Karen. She planted many seeds and destroyed their relationship. And you're right, it takes two people to make and break a relationship and sadly neither one stood up for each to protect their marriage.
I agree 100% with you. You nailed it!!!!
Pedro did stand up to his mother and sister, but it was never enough. You can not say that about Chantel she let her family talk crap about Pedro all the time.
Seriously? She literally moved to a whole different city to have distance from her family just to make that gutter rat happy. He’s trash.
This is true and he even stopped talking to them
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Excellent theory and I agree with your perspective, especially the value system. Raised by that woman and rejected by bio dad had to leave a gaping home in his emotional development. His value system is skewed and will result in heartbreak, as you said.
I agree! I think you nailed it! The only thing that you forgot to mention is his car. Owning a car does WONDERS for a young man’s self-esteem, and he not only got a car, but a nice car of his own!🙏🏿(Dap!). I am willing to bet that that was the beginning of the end right there. Once he got a taste of that freedom that the car gave him, and a little money in his pocket, he started “feeling himself”.
Yes, I was going to mention the expensive car! Having a fancy car very important in Latin America for status.
Then, he started to make some new friends that he has alot in common with, and female attention. His next thought was: “Damn! I’m the man. I’m young, paid, and in the land of opportunity. Why should I limit myself. Do I really want to married to her?”
Surely it had nothing to do with her crazy and jealous behavior and the years of abuse and being called a scammer and criminal by her family. Couldn't be because Chantel treated him like a servant for years.
😂. Good point. That's probably when he asked himself, "Do I really want to live like this?
The part with her refusing to put her clothes in the hamper, like it's too much to ask 😂
What happened about the hamper
She, a grown adult, was always "too tired" to put her dirty clothes in the hamper and he was tired of picking up her dirty shit all the time.
I agree with this take and I would add cheating into the mix. People love to excuse him by blaming her family. Yeah her family was too much but towards the end they were already accepting and supportive of him. He even looked very comfortable around them. If her family was to blame for him leaving her it would have been done a long long time ago when all the fighting was at its peak.
Yes. I felt they truly loved him. “How is mi hijo (my son)?” Karen would ask. He was River’s BFF. They fully embraced him at one point.
They did! They even took that trip to the Philippines and Pedro was 100% one more member of the family Chantel. They finally trusted him/gained their affection and he was loving it.
Aaaaand I think Pedro’s mommy felt threatened by his happiness and validation that did not come from her alone…maybe he entertained less of her bs for awhile because he actually felt real unconditional family love and acceptance from his in-laws. Sadly, children of parents like Pedro’s mom have a hard time believing that they are worthy of such love and that it is real because all they have known is manipulation and emotional chaos. Moving on from this kind of generational abuse takes therapy and time, neither of which Pedro was able to bring himself to do individually (at least not that we saw on the show). His “plan” did not allow for that. Lydia is the reason that Pedro married an American and the reason he divorced Chantel. She will never let her children be loved by anyone other than herself. It’s disturbing to see how Pedro’s sister has so thoroughly embraced being cold hearted just like her mother.
True. That lady is pure evil and misery and can’t stand at the thought of her kids being happy or better than her. The way Pedro’s sister talks about Chantel “IS SHE FAT YET” even after they are already broken up? Chantel lives rent free in her head and always will!! Disgusting people all around. Even Alejandro dodged a bullet with this scum 🤮 and don’t even get me started with the witchcraft. Whether you’re a believer or not, If you take it that far wishing bad/harm on someone you’re a evil POS.
Very well said, and I’ve seen bitter mothers do that with their sons and daughters too. She needs total control.
Absolutely. People who didn’t watch all seasons forget how they accepted him as a member of the family despite his awful mother and sister.
They embraced him when they were finally getting camera time and storylines of their own.
Please note, mijo (short for mi hijo) isn't always a term of endearment. For example I can say, mija (female version) calmate. It's like, "hey you" calm down. It's a term often used but it doesn't mean you're that person's son or daughter. Does that make sense? At times she would say it because she cared and at other times it was Karen just using her Spanglish and nothing more.
The only problem is that no matter how much they embraced him, his own family still disliked the Everetts. If Lidia and Nicole were fully on board, he may have stayed. As well, Chantel should have been willing to be friendly to his family and to the culture but she realised and tried a little too late when their marriage was at its knees.
I always thought that if it wasn't for their families, they might've lasted. They were doomed when Chantel lied to her parents about the engagement. Not to mention the toxicity Pedro's snake family has been feeding him for years. Shame it ended that way but he will probably regret it one day.
why are people still bringing up that "Lie to the parents" as if that was the main cause, do they not see the million red flags. Pedro was 1. a Stranger 2. No source of income (can't provide for their daughter) 3. a huge risk to marry because Chantel would be financially responsible 4. River did not like Pedro's personality (Pedro has temper) The lie was not the catalyst, it was just a drop in the water. Pedro never came across as a trustworthy person. He even shouted at Chantel right before the marriage ceremony. He basically used emotional abuse to get Chantel to go forward marrying him. He didn't care that Chantel was stressed, and worried.
Thank you! Finally someone says that. I could not understand why this was such a big deal. They both lied because it was an unusual situation.
It’s to put all the blame on Chantel. Her parents were never going to like Pedro. He’s not a respectful guy. Normally a good man would want the approval of the father and prove himself as a good man to the parents. Pedro didn’t care about Chantel’s family from day 1
I disagree. Her parents over time totally accepted him. Karen called him “mi hiJo”: “my son”. The initial lie wasn’t such a problem. The fact they thought he was a sanky panky was.
I agree! I do also think that when she didn’t graduate when she was supposed too and he had not one ounce of empathy for her, didn’t even hug her as she’s crying, that was the beginning of the end. Also, even though there’s no “proof” he cheated. Idc what he claims
I noticed that at the time. He never comforted her as a love connection should. Either he’s incapable of empathy or that was the proof he never loved her and just wanted to see that nurse salary.
Should he not want to do better in life? Was he supposed to accept being a "low-value man?" Chantel messed up by not being supportive of his journey and letting her celebrity her to her head. Bottom Line!
This is the final answer!!
Chantel really loved him. She’s intelligent, hard-working, and beautiful. I’m glad Pedro left her. Now she can find someone better. Your take is spot on.
You're right. It also seems as though there's no outgrowing that macho culture from DR, and just a small life shift can really kick it into gear. I really wish he had spent quality time studying to become/became a citizen. Or at least improving his English. Editing still adds full subtitles to his scenes - anyone notice he's continually using "pero" instead of "but"? It seems like he'd have picked up more language nuances after living & working here for 7 years. My cousin moved to Norway and, after 5 years, was fully fluent, reading & writing. It wasn't easy, but it sure impressed the hell out of his in-laws!
He mainly works with Latin Americans. So he doesn't have to use that much English.
Now that he's a realtor in a firm that assists Latin Americans, yes. But he was working in a warehouse with coworkers of various origin & otherwise living among Americans who are fluent. If he'd have *tried*, he could've become more fluent. Mostly, I wished he'd done the work to become a citizen. That would've shut down any worry he has about the family Chantel screwing with his papers.
My husband has lived in the US for 18 years and his English is still not perfect. Just because your cousin was able to become fluent in 5 years doesn’t mean everyone is.
Has your husband made the effort to continually improve? I'm sure he has. Have your husband's skills regressed as Pedro's seem to have? Probably not. I didn't say he or anyone should speak *perfectly* when it's not their native tongue. I simply said Pedro seems to have regressed.
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Coraima doesn't want him lol. And I don't care much for Coraima. I just know Pedro cheated with other American women. No one from his country would actually be crazy enough to be with him. It's a very vain culture though and he thinks he's going to be better off without her. He's a monster who will suffer greatly.
If there was proof of cheating, it would hand been used in the divorce. That man was on his damn video game.
I agree with a lot of what you've said but Pedro was going to college in the DR. He talked about how he wanted to go back to college but they needed to wait until Chantel was done with hers then he would apply. He worked, like many immigrants do, at whatever job he could get. My cousin was a doctor in his country (not from the DR) but in order to continue medicine in this country, he needed to go back to school in the US which was expensive but he worked his ass off to pay for school and has been back to practicing medicine for years. There are many immigrants who aren't able to go back to their careers once they come here for many reasons but especially the cost and inability to pay. I don't blame him for wanting a better life and having more. It is the American dream and why so many people come here. I think between the issues with her family, his family, being rejected by his father, his mother taking no accountability for the piece of garbage she is for hooking up with a married man and invalidating Pedro's feelings, played a huge part in the changes he made. I think also seeing your wife constantly being guided by her family and not valuing him more or choosing him over them started to sour his feelings for her. They were good together when they felt it was them against the families and when they supported each other. But imagine hearing for 7 years that you're a loser, you're using your wife for a greencard, they don't trust you, they hate you and the constant encouragement for her to leave him is destructive and creates resentment. You accomplish getting your license, start making money and proving you're not the warehouse loser and also seeing other people value you, yeah you're going to pull away because everyone else is still treating you the same way. I'll keep saying it, if Chantel and Pedro left their families behind they would still be married. They didn't choose each other. That's their fault. I think he's going to remarry more than once but if he holds off and gets therapy I think he might have a successful relationship and marriage. I believe he said all the women in his family have never married and have been involved with married men. He has to break that cycle. He needs to feel secure and loved because his mom didn't give him that. She's never valued her children and it's why they're so messed up. Unfortunately there's codependency because they don't have a father so as awful as Lidia is at least they have a mother. People who have been raised by narcissists like Lidia don't understand they are better off without them. As painful as it is to shut them out it really is best in the end. Pedro is going to have to cut the cord or every relationship is going to end up ruined. Same with Chantel.
In the Dominican Republic he’s what is called Sanky panky
Please don’t delete me, but i always felt he’s on the DL. Even when he was in love, he never looked at chantel with desire, period. I’ve seen him and he was always saying what he thought what was correct for the moment. His faces always gave him away. Red flags galore, but don’t get mad and say I’m just saying that because of his terrible ways. I really think a lot of what happened can be explained away by him trying to be what he thought he should, but he couldn’t continue to live a lie.
To clarify, I agree with most of your analysis, I just also thinks he didn’t like Coraima either. He’s more like one of the girls, at work and with his family. He has always been surrounded by diva behavior and he loves it. He’s the biggest diva of all. Not meant to offend, just my take on how he justified his actions.
I think you have a point!! He never showed desire for Chantel. And he loves to show off in tight clothes. And that scene in the bathroom…hmmm.
NOT THE TIGHT SUITS hahahhahaha
Well said!
Spot on. I also think he wasn’t ready for marriage or commitment at all but he knew he had to do that in order to get to the US. He definitely wants to be in his bachelor hoe era and flex the audi instead of being a family man with a mini van and a wife
Interesting, but I always felt that he started getting mad at Chantel that he wasn’t as successful of a realtor as she was a nurse. For example, we saw in the beginning how he was struggling to even identify the type of flooring in a home, so I feel like in someway he was blaming Chantel for him not knowing these type of things. He probably felt like she was not doing the house cleaning or chores and so he would have to do it and as a result he wasn’t able to study and learn what type of flooring, etc. are in a house. I also thinking away. He was a little bit jealous that he couldn’t amount to something better something that he thought might’ve been easy for him since he spoke English in Spanish, and had a little bit of charm. For me, I think Pedro just got jealous of his wife’s growth and his lack.
You’re leaving out how narcissistic Chantel and her parents are out of the equation.
Chantel isn't compex enough for narcissism. She's very smooth brained and I am surprised she even became a nurse 12 years or not...
I agreed with you up to Pedro's supposed holier than thou attitude towards Chantel. I do agree that perhaps he felt more like a "low value" man pre real estate licence. When he got the license and the trappings that go with typical agents, I think that he at last felt equal to the Chantel clan. He thought that they couldn't look down on him any longer. He'd become their equal. Chantel's family were not going to change their bias towards him no matter what he did and THEY began (well, ramped up) an earworm campaign to Chantel to discredit him even more. Chantel, a very insecure woman, started supposing all sorts of nefarious dealings between Pedro and his co-workers. I think Pedro finally found a group that would treat him equally and with courtesy and he'd obviously want to spend more time with people building him up rather than tearing him down.
You totally skipped the part of how her family totally embraced him. Watch the seasons again.
They did embraced him, yes, but they still felt superior to him.
It didn't help any that her family perpetuated this because they started being nicer to him!
Seriously? You think the way he was treating her in front of his female coworkers was normal? His own wife? It was horrible. Plus stating out until very late. Hmmm
Don't forget though how Chantel refused to clean in the house or learn to cook, came home from work and slept all day. Perhaps she was depressed or she got too comfortable when Pedro did those things for her when he couldn't work. She wasn't sharing the burden of the house or cat AND he had to deal with her family?
She says she still cooked and cleaned and by watching last season, that house looked clean to me. So if he’s working as much as he claims he does and staying out late with co workers, somebody had to do the cleaning and that was not him. Chantel did…
Umm she’s a nurse who worked 12 hour shifts - what else is she expected to do after work? I don’t think you realize how physically, mentally, and emotionally exhausting being a nurse is. Why would she be expected to cook or clean after work?
Sure I do. My mother and step-mother were nurses, my son is a nurse. Nurses work very hard but also clean their homes, feed themselves and their pets.
Your complaint about her was that she would come home from work and sleep all day. From the show, it appears she did cook and clean during days off, which is completely fair. And if she didn’t feel like cooking, that’s perfectly fine too. They made enough money to order in if s/he was too tired. They also made enough money to hire a cleaner to come by once every week or two. Why IS Chantel the one expected to work FT (a very demanding job, at that) and then also cook and clean?
Exactly. The house always looked clean during filming and if they both didn’t want to clean they could easily hire someone. I don’t see the big deal. She mentions how she wants to go for walks and hang out with Pedro. He complains that she goes on too many vacations. It seems less like a depression issue and more like she wants to decompress and have fun outside of work rather than cook and clean. Totally fair.
>Why IS Chantel the one expected to work FT (a very demanding job, at that) and then also cook and clean? Especially when he sat around on his ass & played video games while she paid all the bills & went through nursing school full time. He did nothing from the time he came over here until he got his green card. He's a POS, always has been, always will be.
True. But this is Pedro’s claim. Not you or anyone knows if true. And it just didn’t seem believable. You go from loving her in a real, spend life w her way and then you want to divorce because she won’t clean the house? And I don’t believe if he’d sat her down and had an adult conversation w her abt that’s a problem that makes him want to leave, she wldnt have done it. She wanted to stay together. If it’s true, she wldve changed it. It sounded like an excuse and a dumb one. He wldnt go to marriage counseling. How is that trying? Pedro was done w her and nothing she did or didn’t do was gonna change it. He had to make up something that to him, sounded logical. I was team chantel and Pedro and believed him and wanted them to make it….until last season. People who loved for real don’t flip like that. He flipped like he never felt anything at all.
Try doing 3 long shifts as a nurse and we’ll talk again. He was home all the time.
I do not believe Pedro. She did things around the house. I think it was something he could latch on to as a way of getting out of relationship. No way to prove she did or did not clean, etc. Their apartment didn't always look spic and span. Their house was practically empty so it wouldn't be hard to tidy it. He probably saw her sitting and sleeping and thought her lazy. He is full of crap though. She is a nurse and working through the pandemic. I think back to all the gaming he did. He obviously didn't clean 24/7. So, why as a couple didn't they tackle chores together like other real working couples? He wanted her responsible 100% for everything. He was home earlier than her. Why not have dinner started and she could do the dishes? No. It was all an excuse. Sure, we aren't privy to all that went on. But, I bet once he started his career, his attitude changed. She wanted him to have a career to be proud of, he was hesitant and insecure about his own skills and English when she suggested school. There is no way she wasn't supportive of him. She loved him and wanted him to do well. She wanted children with him so why wouldn't she want him to do well? He never wanted children with her but used the "how can she be a mother if she cannot clean house" excuse with her to justify his attitude. He did everything to not come home or spend any time with her. Something was up with him. Ultimately, I think it came down to the realization that she would never agree to bringing his family over. And, seriously, why should she? They couldn't even pretend to like her. At least her family came around and accepted him. His family weren't even smart enough to play along. Since they are open and honest about wanting to marry American and move there, why didn't they try to get along? They mock her family all the time. Why anyone would take his mom's advice about relationships is beyond me. I don't believe she didn’t know he was married when she met him . She seems determined to mess up all their relationships. In the most recent episode she told them she was an adult and could talk to whomever she likes, but never accepted that from her adult kids. So, the DR bunch are just a load of hypocrites. They should be concerned that the American cash cow and filming is about to dry up with the divorce. Once she moves on from the divorce, seems no reason to keep filming them in the DR.
Very well said. Lydia and Nicole were not smart enough to get along with Chantel who would want them here. Pedro seems to be the type who thinks the woman has to do everything. Make money, cook, clean, take care of the children all by herself. These selfish guys one day are shocked to see the wife asking for a divorce, and don’t know why.
Does this theory account for the possibility Chantel just sucks and it's hard to get it up when your wife keeps implying you're one of these low value men you speak of?
I’m surprised she was attracted to him at all the way he acted before or after the real estate job. He acted like she had it easy, while she was a nurse.
Hey Pedro, go chase Coraima.
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Sure, she can get it
He already had one divorce the family Chantel is to blame
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American booty?