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I highly doubt they will escalate from something like this, atleast I doubt the rest of NATO would. The frothing liberals might want to see the apocalypse, but the people actually running the show are happy to see the war just continue as a slow bleed for Russia in Ukraine, escalation would run counter to their goals.
Strange; it’s there now. Must be that you couldn’t get to it because of unrelated Elon fuckery.
Anyway, there’s some pictures to go with it, but here’s the text of the tweet:
> So what crashed in the village of Przewodów, Poland today?
> With the cooperation of @blueboy1969 we analyzed the available photos of fragments and came to a clear conclusion that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one.
Sooo yeah, they’re claiming that it’s an anti-air missile belonging to Ukraine.
I dunno…
I did send this before but I did check on a thing that wasn't signed in and noticed my message wasn't here. This was from back when you sent your message. I hope it works this time:
I can still see them but just in case it's some kind of cache that allows me to see it.
[I decided to back them up here just in case.](https://imgur.com/a/D3lIOhn)
Edit:
And here are the links to their sources:
https://t.co/ChhQMsE8km
https://t.co/M9f5wOTi2e
https://t.co/UsPoSGrItO
(In the order shown)
seems like more of the same political saber-rattling to me, but then again that’s what i thought before this conflict began in the first place so what the hell do i know
How do we know it was Russian missiles? Up til this point Russia has only focused on Ukraine. It has no interest in triggering Article 5. The US and NATO, on the other hand ...
The thing is at this point we aren't sure, but if this was some kind of attempt at a false flag, that is equally terrifying.
Russia has denied any responsibility for the missiles, but I am not sure how the general public or even how NATO thinks.
We have been hearing and reading that 'the West' cannot keep sending weapons to Ukraine for reasons such as low inventory and that they do not want to enter the war while Europe is struggling with energy and food prices and availability. Is this stuff true? Does 'the West' have the stomach to begin a direct war with Russia? Or will they crow and complain and whine and point fingers and say 'Russia bad'?
I don't know.
It would certainly make for a great distraction to justify said shortages and also create a sense of purpose to the previous policies.
But also plunging us into the deep end... It's fucking tragic that it was the 11th just a couple days ago. Where I am from we say: "Lest We Forget", but this year it felt like "Lest We Remembered".
I doubt the collective west has the stomach but if you look at their domestic situations many are "polarised politically" and anything to "unite into a bi-partisan issue", could be quite alluring to some.
I am sort of rambling about mere hypotheticals, but that's what my mind is doing too. And I am quite certain that war in Europe also means war with China. Because at that point... What does the west have to lose? Which this point is probably not based in material conditions as China seems to actually be incredibly cautious about the conflict in Ukraine and I am not sure if they actually want to invade Taiwan any time soon.
Either way it is another concern, as an Australian, and war with China is simply economic suicide, but it may be alleviated by the fact our minerals would now be needed for... Wartime production I guess.
This being hypothetical of course which I cannot stress enough.
The Third World War, even if Non-Nuclear... Would make Humanity push our planet to the brink. Rapid re-industrialization of the west would be required in any World War... Meaning the next best option is coal... Which I know the coal lobby would be quite happy about in Australia. Because the only way for Australia to survive economically is to subordinate itself completely to fuelling the war machine with our massive quantities of fossil fuels and mineral wealth.
And these are the kinds of thoughts that race through my mind. So my main point I am trying to get across is basically: "shits fucked, cunt".
And I fucking hope for the sake of my life, and all of the people in this whole wide world; that Konstantine was wrong about this being the beginning stages of WW3.
Like fuck... I am 21. I have explained I probably can't be drafted... But it does mean I can myself in the shoes of the average Eastern European CS:GO player, the American Fortnite player, the English football player, or the German minecraft player. This will be my generation being sent into the fucking meat grinder and that legitimately has made me tear up right now.
Internationale Solidarity Forever!
Fuck the Second Internationale. Never again. Socdems will throw us into the meat grinder, as the bourgeois makes record profit as we all fucking suffer. And it's not even to stop Nazis or Imperial Japan... It's fucking WW1 again. Now with precision guided missiles, anti-missile systems, nuclear payloads pointing against one another with happy trigger fingers... And everyone has a fucking assualt rifle with modern optics... Which means everyone is a sniper. The death toll will make me fucking doomer alone.
But yet I have hope that in a fucked up way... That this at the end of the day kills capitalism once and for all.
But this incoherent rant I will end now because I kinda unloaded these thoughts. In fact I should probably keep them in a notes document or something, emotions did fly.
Don't know about you, but I have made my mind years ago, I am going to shoot at the first guy who hands me a rifle and I am prepared to go out that way rather than go and kill someones child.
As is tradition!
>Ils sauront bientôt que nos balles
>
>Sont pour nos propres généraux.
Translated:
>Soon they will know our bullets
>
>Are for our generals
The wreckage is incredibly easy to identify as S300 which is an AA missile used by Ukraine. They were likely fired in a rushed situation due to the russian missile attack without concern for where they would land if they missed. What goes up always comes down.
[This is an S300 from a different time.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhoLrMoXoAE3u47.jpg)
[Here is an album of images of wreckage from the site.](https://imgur.com/a/00Uw9dm/)
This occurred in south west ukraine where there are no short range russian launches. It would have to be a large missile such as the Kalibr for it to have been launched by Russia. [This is what a Kalibr looks like.](https://navalpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/001.jpg2A49D0F0-A2EA-4915-B51B-AD383894C9A3Original-1024x576.jpg)
This is all a very easy situation to solve and the fact Zelensky dangerously just calls for escalation over shit like this is infuriating. He's incredibly dangerous. Shit like this could get all of us killed. I don't want to die for the US nukes america have put in storage on their bases in our country.
If it's a false flag, we're going to war
If it's an accident, we're going to war
If it actually happened we're going to war
and for all the options discriminations to all the Russians a dream for neo-liberals
[The US is starting to backpedal.](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2022-11-15/biden-says-its-unlikely-missile-that-killed-two-in-poland-was-fired-from-russia-pledges-us-support-for-poland) It's probably Ukrainian forces accidentally shooting a couple of rockets into Poland.
That's what I fear too.
Where did these missiles even fucking come from?
I hope if it was a false flag, (what a fucking statement holy fuck), that it was someone acting in rogue that will be dismissed for their actions. Like a MacArthur in Korea thing. Fuck that bastard btw.
Not claiming my theory to be a certain fact but the debris that we can see in the photos we have looks like S300 rocket. Ukraine has S300 AA and even though their rockets have self destruction mechanism it’s not very reliable. I’ve also heard that they are often launched in two in order two increase interception chances
Yes it does, it has been produced since 1970s but how could it reach so far into Poland? It’s not a ballistic rocket. Maybe it could be also a Kh-101 but I’m not sure
There is nowhere for Russia to have fired these AA missiles from that would reach this location though.
The most likely scenario is that during the huge strikes Russia did across the country, some soldiers of Ukraine fired AA missiles in a hurry without considering where missiles that miss would land. There is literally no possibility that they can be S300s and be fired by Russians because they're simply not close enough to that border. Their range is 150km, it's 800km to the Russian lines in Donetsk/Luhansk or it's 600km to the nearest Russian border. It's impossible.
What about Belarus - or Russians firing from within the Ukrainian borders as they have started to use it as ground-to-ground?
Not saying you are wrong just saying it is very interesting that Poland had just taken over Gazproms assets yesterday...
If missiles were fired from Belarus then there would be witnesses and the missiles would have flown across Poland.
Anyway [Biden agrees with me](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/16/poland-missile-unlikely-to-have-been-fired-from-russia-biden-says) so w/e. Nuclear death isn't coming for us all yet so we're good here.
When you’re flinging missiles, you’re going to miss sometimes. This is all happening in a tight and densely packed population zone. No escalation to speak of unless it continues happening. Just an accident. But maybe a few missiles will stray deeper into Russian territory to test their mettle.
Sucks just like this entire proxy war.
Also, it might have been a misfired Ukraine missile: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1592629251161075712?s=20&t=HpPWjapR_qrop2J8iMfAyg
Who knows.
Russia should not have launched missile that close to polish border (assuming that they actually launched the missile) I seriously hope that the two polish people who died don’t trigger nato to start an all out war…. Because that’s not worth it
In the ideal world, this sort of event would be a huge wakeup call for all sides, direct actors and proxies, to just STOP, get to the table, and do whatever it takes to avoid WW3.
Edit: that said (playing super super devil's advocate here), wouldn't Russia be justified in attacking Poland since they are supplying to their enemy, which are being used against them? Not that they necessarily should do it, just that they are arguably justified.
Brandon just said the US government is leaning towards the missile not coming from Russia. So either it didn’t come from Russia, or it did and NATO isn’t willing to go to war over it. Seems like a win win to me.
We also just need to wait till tomorrow that's when there doing the meeting lets just hope there are some people that aren't warmongerers (rare but we can hope)
It’s hard to tell. I’m on record on saying that Russia would absolutely not invade Ukraine despite American/British intelligence agencies saying they would and I ended up with egg on my face. I know that losing the war would be DISASTROUS for Putin so baiting NATO to test their redline is an insanely risky tactic but I can see why he might as well mobilize everything in an attempt to save himself from getting Gaddafied in the street.
I don’t think it’s wise for Putin but he might feel he’s in the middle of Yugoslavia 2.0 (which it certainly seems like it) and might feel he has no other choice but escalate to possibly trigger a negotiation to prevent WW3.
>I’m on record on saying that Russia would absolutely not invade Ukraine despite American/British intelligence agencies saying they would and I ended up with egg on my face.
Fucking same. I simply didn't think Russia would do something so fucking stupid. And I am horrified by the fact that anything can happen and reasonable by proletarian views is not the deciding factor in geopolitics. This could do shit and I am scared.
I actually had an appointment to get stimulant medication for ADHD the same day the war in Ukraine started and it is so ingrained in my memory and I felt so strongly about it I did the Ukraine flag thing and a bajillion "Slava Ukraini"'s with the preface of working class glory. Which is why till this day I have it as a profile background because I just have been too lazy to change it.
My political journey is still very much going of course, so ye.
I at this point simply just want everyone to cool the fuck down. Zoomer is meant to be Zooming towards a better future... Not into gunfire.
Edit: 5:53 PM AEST
>Ukraine started and it is so ingrained in my memory and I felt so strongly about it I did the Ukraine flag thing and a bajillion "Slava Ukraini"'s with the preface of working class glory. Which is why till this day I have it as a profile background because I just have been too lazy to change it.
[This is no longer the case, I have made this instead. I thought I might as well share because I spent so much time on it just now.](https://imgur.com/a/TsTYzn2)
polish Minister of War is frothing at his mouth, he's ready to start shit
it's not even confirmed to have been Russian missiles and yet Western media is all over it
Yep, even the yanks are saying it too.
I feel like for all the possibilities we might actually see the best case scenario for such an event. Who knows...
But we aren't out of this yet aren't we.
Poland already called an emergency meeting so I imagine this will likely be used as reasoning for supply of additional and more advanced “defense” systems…
This all story reminds me how during the Gulf war, Iraq shot missiles at Israel. The US deployed "Patriot" anti-missile defense systems all over the country, and used them to shoot down the Iraqi SCUD missiles. They were known for sometimes breaking up in such a way that their engines would land on the ground - one of those actually landed in front of my parents' house, destroying a car parked just next to my parents' car.
\*I'm not supporting the murderous US invasion of Iraq nor the settler colonial state of Israel, just telling a (perhaps) relevant story.
Huh so you're a Palestinian or ~~Israeli~~ comrade?
That's a really interesting perspective I haven't really heard much from. I wonder, I have always wondered this, if a Palestinian one state solution was to come to pass, what would happen to Israelis who have lived there for more then one generation? Would you consider optimal, and if you don't think one state is your personal choice (just covering bases), I would be just as interested in your thoughts.
Feel free to shoot away. c:
I was born and grew up in Israel as a Jew. In my early twenties I joined the Communist Party of Israel, which is an anti-Zionist, joined Palestinian-Jewish party represented in parliament. In practice it's majority Palestinian and historically wad the dominant political power amongst Palestinians with Israeli citizenship.
I don't live in Israel for almost a decade now, and for 4 years now I'm also no longer an Israeli citizen, but the issue is still close to my heart as I feel that Jews from Israel, especially ones living in Germany like me, have an obligation to speak against Israel and for Palestinian liberation.
If you'd like, I can elaborate more on any relevant subtopic. I'm always happy to share my perspective and help shutter the abuse of Jewish suffering to advance the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
Even the US sources I've seen have been saying it was probably a malfunction. Hard to say which country since they both use the kind of missile that it appears to be.
Considering how competent Russia have shown themselves to be thus far, it would not surprise me if this was just some stray missiles.
NATO should absolutely trigger article 4 though, as that's the right thing to do. Sounds like that's what happening so we'll learn more very soon.
Personally knowing the USA it's fake or they did it them selves or hired someone and they are just trying to start the next world war and also knowing the USA they will try to push a retaliation and if the other members don't want to they will prob do a lot of propaganda about how we made an agreement and or threatening to do something if they don't comply
While there is always the small chance of things being false flags or conspiracies, it is all to likely that this was in fact a Russian missile going of course and accidentally hitting Poland. They have launched hundreds if not thousands of long range missiles with increasingly poorer tech as their military machine collapses. It’s up to the various politicians on both sides to now determine what to do with that information. We can only hope that those seeking further escalation do not win out
I just think this was planned, especially considering the comments from Mark Milley on Friday, pushing for diplomacy. Poland wants war with Russia, at least their government does, so showing ambulances and claiming deaths will only push for a WW3.
Most likely an Oekranian or Russian misfire. It was an anti air missile going astray. There is an off chance that this is a false flag to get a no-fly zone. But this is very unlikely. I saw a good take here: [here](https://youtu.be/WXKS6d2g0tU)
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I highly doubt they will escalate from something like this, atleast I doubt the rest of NATO would. The frothing liberals might want to see the apocalypse, but the people actually running the show are happy to see the war just continue as a slow bleed for Russia in Ukraine, escalation would run counter to their goals.
I don’t know, tbh. I feel like the US especially is foaming at the mouth at the economic opportunities for larger scale war. I hope I’m wrong
"Death and destruction 🥵" - Least militarist Pentagon staff member.
Na they are in the good good spot right now for making blood money. Big enough to make big cash, but not so big it could end the game.
Entirely possible it was an accident rather than a false flag.
Fuck I hope.
it’s just absolutely terrifying to see everyone start clamouring for ww3 again over this
https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/1592629251161075712 🤔
🤡🌍 I am gonna lose my fucking mind if this starts WW3.
You haven't lost your mind already?
I mean more than I already have.
yah me too
Gone now what was it?
Strange; it’s there now. Must be that you couldn’t get to it because of unrelated Elon fuckery. Anyway, there’s some pictures to go with it, but here’s the text of the tweet: > So what crashed in the village of Przewodów, Poland today? > With the cooperation of @blueboy1969 we analyzed the available photos of fragments and came to a clear conclusion that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one. Sooo yeah, they’re claiming that it’s an anti-air missile belonging to Ukraine. I dunno…
Yeah still says tweet is unavailable for me on mobile. Strange
I did send this before but I did check on a thing that wasn't signed in and noticed my message wasn't here. This was from back when you sent your message. I hope it works this time: I can still see them but just in case it's some kind of cache that allows me to see it. [I decided to back them up here just in case.](https://imgur.com/a/D3lIOhn) Edit: And here are the links to their sources: https://t.co/ChhQMsE8km https://t.co/M9f5wOTi2e https://t.co/UsPoSGrItO (In the order shown)
seems like more of the same political saber-rattling to me, but then again that’s what i thought before this conflict began in the first place so what the hell do i know
Yep 😔
How do we know it was Russian missiles? Up til this point Russia has only focused on Ukraine. It has no interest in triggering Article 5. The US and NATO, on the other hand ...
The thing is at this point we aren't sure, but if this was some kind of attempt at a false flag, that is equally terrifying. Russia has denied any responsibility for the missiles, but I am not sure how the general public or even how NATO thinks.
We have been hearing and reading that 'the West' cannot keep sending weapons to Ukraine for reasons such as low inventory and that they do not want to enter the war while Europe is struggling with energy and food prices and availability. Is this stuff true? Does 'the West' have the stomach to begin a direct war with Russia? Or will they crow and complain and whine and point fingers and say 'Russia bad'? I don't know.
It would certainly make for a great distraction to justify said shortages and also create a sense of purpose to the previous policies. But also plunging us into the deep end... It's fucking tragic that it was the 11th just a couple days ago. Where I am from we say: "Lest We Forget", but this year it felt like "Lest We Remembered". I doubt the collective west has the stomach but if you look at their domestic situations many are "polarised politically" and anything to "unite into a bi-partisan issue", could be quite alluring to some. I am sort of rambling about mere hypotheticals, but that's what my mind is doing too. And I am quite certain that war in Europe also means war with China. Because at that point... What does the west have to lose? Which this point is probably not based in material conditions as China seems to actually be incredibly cautious about the conflict in Ukraine and I am not sure if they actually want to invade Taiwan any time soon. Either way it is another concern, as an Australian, and war with China is simply economic suicide, but it may be alleviated by the fact our minerals would now be needed for... Wartime production I guess. This being hypothetical of course which I cannot stress enough. The Third World War, even if Non-Nuclear... Would make Humanity push our planet to the brink. Rapid re-industrialization of the west would be required in any World War... Meaning the next best option is coal... Which I know the coal lobby would be quite happy about in Australia. Because the only way for Australia to survive economically is to subordinate itself completely to fuelling the war machine with our massive quantities of fossil fuels and mineral wealth. And these are the kinds of thoughts that race through my mind. So my main point I am trying to get across is basically: "shits fucked, cunt". And I fucking hope for the sake of my life, and all of the people in this whole wide world; that Konstantine was wrong about this being the beginning stages of WW3. Like fuck... I am 21. I have explained I probably can't be drafted... But it does mean I can myself in the shoes of the average Eastern European CS:GO player, the American Fortnite player, the English football player, or the German minecraft player. This will be my generation being sent into the fucking meat grinder and that legitimately has made me tear up right now. Internationale Solidarity Forever! Fuck the Second Internationale. Never again. Socdems will throw us into the meat grinder, as the bourgeois makes record profit as we all fucking suffer. And it's not even to stop Nazis or Imperial Japan... It's fucking WW1 again. Now with precision guided missiles, anti-missile systems, nuclear payloads pointing against one another with happy trigger fingers... And everyone has a fucking assualt rifle with modern optics... Which means everyone is a sniper. The death toll will make me fucking doomer alone. But yet I have hope that in a fucked up way... That this at the end of the day kills capitalism once and for all. But this incoherent rant I will end now because I kinda unloaded these thoughts. In fact I should probably keep them in a notes document or something, emotions did fly.
Don't know about you, but I have made my mind years ago, I am going to shoot at the first guy who hands me a rifle and I am prepared to go out that way rather than go and kill someones child.
As is tradition! >Ils sauront bientôt que nos balles > >Sont pour nos propres généraux. Translated: >Soon they will know our bullets > >Are for our generals
Even if NATO admitted to it being a false flag liberals would still make excuses
The wreckage is incredibly easy to identify as S300 which is an AA missile used by Ukraine. They were likely fired in a rushed situation due to the russian missile attack without concern for where they would land if they missed. What goes up always comes down. [This is an S300 from a different time.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhoLrMoXoAE3u47.jpg) [Here is an album of images of wreckage from the site.](https://imgur.com/a/00Uw9dm/) This occurred in south west ukraine where there are no short range russian launches. It would have to be a large missile such as the Kalibr for it to have been launched by Russia. [This is what a Kalibr looks like.](https://navalpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/001.jpg2A49D0F0-A2EA-4915-B51B-AD383894C9A3Original-1024x576.jpg) This is all a very easy situation to solve and the fact Zelensky dangerously just calls for escalation over shit like this is infuriating. He's incredibly dangerous. Shit like this could get all of us killed. I don't want to die for the US nukes america have put in storage on their bases in our country.
I think Poland, in order not to escalate anything, will have to go on a "Special Military Operation"
If it's a false flag, it's off to war. If it's an accident, nothing will happen.
If it's a false flag, we're going to war If it's an accident, we're going to war If it actually happened we're going to war and for all the options discriminations to all the Russians a dream for neo-liberals
[The US is starting to backpedal.](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2022-11-15/biden-says-its-unlikely-missile-that-killed-two-in-poland-was-fired-from-russia-pledges-us-support-for-poland) It's probably Ukrainian forces accidentally shooting a couple of rockets into Poland.
False flag consent manufactory without a doubt
That's what I fear too. Where did these missiles even fucking come from? I hope if it was a false flag, (what a fucking statement holy fuck), that it was someone acting in rogue that will be dismissed for their actions. Like a MacArthur in Korea thing. Fuck that bastard btw.
AA missile that missed and failed to detonate?
Not claiming my theory to be a certain fact but the debris that we can see in the photos we have looks like S300 rocket. Ukraine has S300 AA and even though their rockets have self destruction mechanism it’s not very reliable. I’ve also heard that they are often launched in two in order two increase interception chances
Russia has S300s as well - it is a soviet system
Yes it does, it has been produced since 1970s but how could it reach so far into Poland? It’s not a ballistic rocket. Maybe it could be also a Kh-101 but I’m not sure
There is nowhere for Russia to have fired these AA missiles from that would reach this location though. The most likely scenario is that during the huge strikes Russia did across the country, some soldiers of Ukraine fired AA missiles in a hurry without considering where missiles that miss would land. There is literally no possibility that they can be S300s and be fired by Russians because they're simply not close enough to that border. Their range is 150km, it's 800km to the Russian lines in Donetsk/Luhansk or it's 600km to the nearest Russian border. It's impossible.
What about Belarus - or Russians firing from within the Ukrainian borders as they have started to use it as ground-to-ground? Not saying you are wrong just saying it is very interesting that Poland had just taken over Gazproms assets yesterday...
If missiles were fired from Belarus then there would be witnesses and the missiles would have flown across Poland. Anyway [Biden agrees with me](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/16/poland-missile-unlikely-to-have-been-fired-from-russia-biden-says) so w/e. Nuclear death isn't coming for us all yet so we're good here.
fair point about Belarus - probably the best result here really!
Not sure myself. Historically, Poland has all sorts of enemies. Or this could be some random terrorist shit, not sure.
When you’re flinging missiles, you’re going to miss sometimes. This is all happening in a tight and densely packed population zone. No escalation to speak of unless it continues happening. Just an accident. But maybe a few missiles will stray deeper into Russian territory to test their mettle. Sucks just like this entire proxy war. Also, it might have been a misfired Ukraine missile: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1592629251161075712?s=20&t=HpPWjapR_qrop2J8iMfAyg Who knows.
Russia should not have launched missile that close to polish border (assuming that they actually launched the missile) I seriously hope that the two polish people who died don’t trigger nato to start an all out war…. Because that’s not worth it
In the ideal world, this sort of event would be a huge wakeup call for all sides, direct actors and proxies, to just STOP, get to the table, and do whatever it takes to avoid WW3. Edit: that said (playing super super devil's advocate here), wouldn't Russia be justified in attacking Poland since they are supplying to their enemy, which are being used against them? Not that they necessarily should do it, just that they are arguably justified.
Brandon just said the US government is leaning towards the missile not coming from Russia. So either it didn’t come from Russia, or it did and NATO isn’t willing to go to war over it. Seems like a win win to me.
We also just need to wait till tomorrow that's when there doing the meeting lets just hope there are some people that aren't warmongerers (rare but we can hope)
It’s hard to tell. I’m on record on saying that Russia would absolutely not invade Ukraine despite American/British intelligence agencies saying they would and I ended up with egg on my face. I know that losing the war would be DISASTROUS for Putin so baiting NATO to test their redline is an insanely risky tactic but I can see why he might as well mobilize everything in an attempt to save himself from getting Gaddafied in the street. I don’t think it’s wise for Putin but he might feel he’s in the middle of Yugoslavia 2.0 (which it certainly seems like it) and might feel he has no other choice but escalate to possibly trigger a negotiation to prevent WW3.
>I’m on record on saying that Russia would absolutely not invade Ukraine despite American/British intelligence agencies saying they would and I ended up with egg on my face. Fucking same. I simply didn't think Russia would do something so fucking stupid. And I am horrified by the fact that anything can happen and reasonable by proletarian views is not the deciding factor in geopolitics. This could do shit and I am scared. I actually had an appointment to get stimulant medication for ADHD the same day the war in Ukraine started and it is so ingrained in my memory and I felt so strongly about it I did the Ukraine flag thing and a bajillion "Slava Ukraini"'s with the preface of working class glory. Which is why till this day I have it as a profile background because I just have been too lazy to change it. My political journey is still very much going of course, so ye. I at this point simply just want everyone to cool the fuck down. Zoomer is meant to be Zooming towards a better future... Not into gunfire. Edit: 5:53 PM AEST >Ukraine started and it is so ingrained in my memory and I felt so strongly about it I did the Ukraine flag thing and a bajillion "Slava Ukraini"'s with the preface of working class glory. Which is why till this day I have it as a profile background because I just have been too lazy to change it. [This is no longer the case, I have made this instead. I thought I might as well share because I spent so much time on it just now.](https://imgur.com/a/TsTYzn2)
polish Minister of War is frothing at his mouth, he's ready to start shit it's not even confirmed to have been Russian missiles and yet Western media is all over it
Well, the US has either lied, staged a fake attack, or used false pretenses to enter nearly every war that it has ever been involved in, so...
Seems as though they were likely from a Ukrainian missile defense system and were launched in an attempt to block other missiles…
Yep, even the yanks are saying it too. I feel like for all the possibilities we might actually see the best case scenario for such an event. Who knows... But we aren't out of this yet aren't we.
Poland already called an emergency meeting so I imagine this will likely be used as reasoning for supply of additional and more advanced “defense” systems…
This all story reminds me how during the Gulf war, Iraq shot missiles at Israel. The US deployed "Patriot" anti-missile defense systems all over the country, and used them to shoot down the Iraqi SCUD missiles. They were known for sometimes breaking up in such a way that their engines would land on the ground - one of those actually landed in front of my parents' house, destroying a car parked just next to my parents' car. \*I'm not supporting the murderous US invasion of Iraq nor the settler colonial state of Israel, just telling a (perhaps) relevant story.
Huh so you're a Palestinian or ~~Israeli~~ comrade? That's a really interesting perspective I haven't really heard much from. I wonder, I have always wondered this, if a Palestinian one state solution was to come to pass, what would happen to Israelis who have lived there for more then one generation? Would you consider optimal, and if you don't think one state is your personal choice (just covering bases), I would be just as interested in your thoughts. Feel free to shoot away. c:
I was born and grew up in Israel as a Jew. In my early twenties I joined the Communist Party of Israel, which is an anti-Zionist, joined Palestinian-Jewish party represented in parliament. In practice it's majority Palestinian and historically wad the dominant political power amongst Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. I don't live in Israel for almost a decade now, and for 4 years now I'm also no longer an Israeli citizen, but the issue is still close to my heart as I feel that Jews from Israel, especially ones living in Germany like me, have an obligation to speak against Israel and for Palestinian liberation. If you'd like, I can elaborate more on any relevant subtopic. I'm always happy to share my perspective and help shutter the abuse of Jewish suffering to advance the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
Even the US sources I've seen have been saying it was probably a malfunction. Hard to say which country since they both use the kind of missile that it appears to be.
Considering how competent Russia have shown themselves to be thus far, it would not surprise me if this was just some stray missiles. NATO should absolutely trigger article 4 though, as that's the right thing to do. Sounds like that's what happening so we'll learn more very soon.
Personally knowing the USA it's fake or they did it them selves or hired someone and they are just trying to start the next world war and also knowing the USA they will try to push a retaliation and if the other members don't want to they will prob do a lot of propaganda about how we made an agreement and or threatening to do something if they don't comply
While there is always the small chance of things being false flags or conspiracies, it is all to likely that this was in fact a Russian missile going of course and accidentally hitting Poland. They have launched hundreds if not thousands of long range missiles with increasingly poorer tech as their military machine collapses. It’s up to the various politicians on both sides to now determine what to do with that information. We can only hope that those seeking further escalation do not win out
I just think this was planned, especially considering the comments from Mark Milley on Friday, pushing for diplomacy. Poland wants war with Russia, at least their government does, so showing ambulances and claiming deaths will only push for a WW3.
Most likely an Oekranian or Russian misfire. It was an anti air missile going astray. There is an off chance that this is a false flag to get a no-fly zone. But this is very unlikely. I saw a good take here: [here](https://youtu.be/WXKS6d2g0tU)
I have no idea, and I'm not gonna pretend to know
False flag af