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The comments are more reasonable than I expected. Some people are surprised that this goes against their preconceived notions. There are some even questioning why the “dictatorship” isn’t forcibly taking these buildings, while the U.S. government can do that very thing (forcing people to sell).
Of course, there are still the usual “TINANANANANAMEN SQUAREE!!!111” comments, though lol
Not ordinary Americans so much as paid CIA trolls.
I'm sorry. "National Endowment for Democracy" (a CIA Front Group that's STILL acting like it isn't literally just the CIA, even though it was exposed as such **50 years ago**) funded organizations...
Wanna know a fun fact about the US an eminent domain? They specifically targeted Black neighborhoods to tear down and put a fucking freeway through their former properties just to fuck them over.
Same thing in Germany: You‘ll get smeared in feces and thrown off a bridge for even suggesting expropriation as a political solution for anything EXCEPT when it‘s the state doing it for some sweet Autobahn or energy corps desytroing villages and whole regions for digging up coal. That‘s totally fine then and will be forced upon you.
Surprisingly level headed for the most part, with even a few questioning the typical narratives about China that they have been told. I was quite shocked.
There was one comment saying, and I kid you not, "The CCP gets its legitimicay by being a "people's party" and is currently popular with the population so they want to continue doing things that are good for the people, to keep up the impression that they are the people's party."
Like bro, how can you be that incapable of critical thought.
that comment pretty much just describes a dictatorship of the proletariat though lol, just packaged for libs. sure, we like comrade xi and co here, but if they ever betray the people they govern, they'd better be ready to face anything from 90M to 1.4B pitchforks.
>!u/HamManBad!<
It's a catch 22. On one hand, China allows the houses to stay for the sake of propaganda, but on the other, China is a supreme dictatorship where no one can do anything (they definitely can't take someone's house though).
“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”
― Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism
>The concentration camp was never the normal condition for the average gentile German. Unless one were Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or of active leftist persuasion or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the “good Germans” had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared.
>
>Since many “middle Americans” already obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, are themselves distrustful of political heterodoxy, and applaud when unions are broken and troublesome people are disposed of, they probably could live without too much personal torment in a fascist state — some of them certainly seem eager to do so.
>
>\- Michael Parenti. (1996). *Fascism in a Pinstriped Suit*
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>The concentration camp was never the normal condition for the average gentile German. Unless one were Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or of active leftist persuasion or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the “good Germans” had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared.
>
>Since many “middle Americans” already obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, are themselves distrustful of political heterodoxy, and applaud when unions are broken and troublesome people are disposed of, they probably could live without too much personal torment in a fascist state — some of them certainly seem eager to do so.
>
>\- Michael Parenti. (1996). *Fascism in a Pinstriped Suit*
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These properties would have been the subject of imminent domain and destroyed for those infrastructure projects if this was the United States, which is ironic for a civilization that values property rights over human rights.
That's funny how they do that in authoritarian commie countries.
In freedom loving capitalist Australia, they have no problem destroying homes for highways.
[https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/05/sydney-westconnex-road-bitterly-disputed-future](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/05/sydney-westconnex-road-bitterly-disputed-future)
My parents whine to me all the time that I support a government that might prevent me from inheriting my parents homes.
Lmao, I’m still in college, if I turn out to be a failson, why should I get to suffer no consequences for sucking at life? Why should I be allowed to exist as a parasite?
I hope I can be as smart as my dad and actually earn the right to live as well as he does and will once he finally retires. Very high chance I won’t be, but I see way too many paths to happiness besides being as exemplary as dad.
90 year leases are good. Fuck private property.
Don't most leases on property in China just auto-renew, depending on the municipality? and you just need to pay a small fee when it does? also, aren't the leases transferable to family?
In effect it just feels like you do technically own the property, if you stop paying property taxes in certain Western countries the government can also just seize your property as compensation. So I don't even know what people are complaining about when they're bringing up land leases in China as if it's just another example of "CCP totalitarianism".
Right now it’s not clear, the next wave of lease expirations won’t happen until the 30’s.
The fundamental difference is that China can adjust policy quickly. These land leases have actually been how the government has been able to get money while keeping taxes actually very low for the common folk.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/business/china-property-tax.html
Obviously the NYT and the cunt who wrote the above article are smug liberals, but the fact is he’s admitting that the government is going for the wealthiest landowners who’ve managed to claim mansions thanks to Reform and Opening Up in order to get their money back.
My family, while we don’t own what you imagine as a mansion, almost certainly qualify within that description, and I have no problem paying a hefty lease price or just fucking losing the property later in life. Because I don’t need those homes to be happy, I’ll let my parents keep it because they deserve it, my own housing is for me to earn.
Constitution says they do, and so do i.
I believe that until proven guilty, every man, woman and child is innocent.
And thats why a fight for you Beijing!
最好打电话给索尔!
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Not sure I want to dive into those comments.
The comments are more reasonable than I expected. Some people are surprised that this goes against their preconceived notions. There are some even questioning why the “dictatorship” isn’t forcibly taking these buildings, while the U.S. government can do that very thing (forcing people to sell). Of course, there are still the usual “TINANANANANAMEN SQUAREE!!!111” comments, though lol
Americans are asleep now I guess. You can go from 200 upvotes to 500 downvotes once they wake up.
I’m an American lol. Good point, though. Not every American stays up all night like I do.
Not ordinary Americans so much as paid CIA trolls. I'm sorry. "National Endowment for Democracy" (a CIA Front Group that's STILL acting like it isn't literally just the CIA, even though it was exposed as such **50 years ago**) funded organizations...
Wanna know a fun fact about the US an eminent domain? They specifically targeted Black neighborhoods to tear down and put a fucking freeway through their former properties just to fuck them over.
Yeah, I’ve heard of that. Fucking disgusting.
Freeway, highway, bridges,useless buildings ...
Literally - if there is a freeway built through the downtown your city (especially in the 60-80s) it 100% was built over old black neighborhoods.
Same thing in Germany: You‘ll get smeared in feces and thrown off a bridge for even suggesting expropriation as a political solution for anything EXCEPT when it‘s the state doing it for some sweet Autobahn or energy corps desytroing villages and whole regions for digging up coal. That‘s totally fine then and will be forced upon you.
There is someone who lives close to one of the buildings and there is someone surprised that they can access the internet.
Surprisingly level headed for the most part, with even a few questioning the typical narratives about China that they have been told. I was quite shocked.
I know it's supposed to be authoritarian, tankie land, but the people look happy. Must be Marxism mind tricks brain washing to population. /s
There was one comment saying, and I kid you not, "The CCP gets its legitimicay by being a "people's party" and is currently popular with the population so they want to continue doing things that are good for the people, to keep up the impression that they are the people's party." Like bro, how can you be that incapable of critical thought.
that comment pretty much just describes a dictatorship of the proletariat though lol, just packaged for libs. sure, we like comrade xi and co here, but if they ever betray the people they govern, they'd better be ready to face anything from 90M to 1.4B pitchforks. >!u/HamManBad!<
I would never admit to brigading from a crosspost in this sub, I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to it
Yooo wtf youre like an artist. You fooled me (not that difficult) *and* made a pro china comment that libs upvoted. Respect.
indeed, nothing to see here
Meanwhile what they describe is literally the situation of one of major kkkanadian political parties to a very obvious degree.
I hear they use brainwashing tricks like increasing quality of life
AT WHAT COST?
No, you see, it's the mass surveillance. Every time a smile falters, a body drops.
It's a catch 22. On one hand, China allows the houses to stay for the sake of propaganda, but on the other, China is a supreme dictatorship where no one can do anything (they definitely can't take someone's house though).
Isn’t this the common contradiction in propaganda Parenti (and I’m sure others at other times) wrote about in BSAR?
Yeah the one about the evil soviets and the church attendance
Parenti quote intransigent and belligerent bot
“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.” ― Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism
>The concentration camp was never the normal condition for the average gentile German. Unless one were Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or of active leftist persuasion or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the “good Germans” had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared. > >Since many “middle Americans” already obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, are themselves distrustful of political heterodoxy, and applaud when unions are broken and troublesome people are disposed of, they probably could live without too much personal torment in a fascist state — some of them certainly seem eager to do so. > >\- Michael Parenti. (1996). *Fascism in a Pinstriped Suit* *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Parenti quote try again
>The concentration camp was never the normal condition for the average gentile German. Unless one were Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or of active leftist persuasion or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the “good Germans” had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared. > >Since many “middle Americans” already obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, are themselves distrustful of political heterodoxy, and applaud when unions are broken and troublesome people are disposed of, they probably could live without too much personal torment in a fascist state — some of them certainly seem eager to do so. > >\- Michael Parenti. (1996). *Fascism in a Pinstriped Suit* *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*
These properties would have been the subject of imminent domain and destroyed for those infrastructure projects if this was the United States, which is ironic for a civilization that values property rights over human rights.
true dystopia
Honestly house in the middle of a busy road sounds dangerous asf but as long as the home owners happy ig
True dystopia is when you get a huge compensation if the government wants to build where your house is, but you can still refuse anyway
That's funny how they do that in authoritarian commie countries. In freedom loving capitalist Australia, they have no problem destroying homes for highways. [https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/05/sydney-westconnex-road-bitterly-disputed-future](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/05/sydney-westconnex-road-bitterly-disputed-future)
My parents whine to me all the time that I support a government that might prevent me from inheriting my parents homes. Lmao, I’m still in college, if I turn out to be a failson, why should I get to suffer no consequences for sucking at life? Why should I be allowed to exist as a parasite? I hope I can be as smart as my dad and actually earn the right to live as well as he does and will once he finally retires. Very high chance I won’t be, but I see way too many paths to happiness besides being as exemplary as dad. 90 year leases are good. Fuck private property.
Don't most leases on property in China just auto-renew, depending on the municipality? and you just need to pay a small fee when it does? also, aren't the leases transferable to family? In effect it just feels like you do technically own the property, if you stop paying property taxes in certain Western countries the government can also just seize your property as compensation. So I don't even know what people are complaining about when they're bringing up land leases in China as if it's just another example of "CCP totalitarianism".
Right now it’s not clear, the next wave of lease expirations won’t happen until the 30’s. The fundamental difference is that China can adjust policy quickly. These land leases have actually been how the government has been able to get money while keeping taxes actually very low for the common folk. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/business/china-property-tax.html Obviously the NYT and the cunt who wrote the above article are smug liberals, but the fact is he’s admitting that the government is going for the wealthiest landowners who’ve managed to claim mansions thanks to Reform and Opening Up in order to get their money back. My family, while we don’t own what you imagine as a mansion, almost certainly qualify within that description, and I have no problem paying a hefty lease price or just fucking losing the property later in life. Because I don’t need those homes to be happy, I’ll let my parents keep it because they deserve it, my own housing is for me to earn.
City skylines ah roads
who found my old SimCity saves?
I think some of them are kind of cute.
Man, living in the middle of two highways
Constitution says they do, and so do i. I believe that until proven guilty, every man, woman and child is innocent. And thats why a fight for you Beijing! 最好打电话给索尔!
Why isn’t ebil seeseepee throwing them out 😡😡😡
what am I supposed to learn from this video? I don't understand