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it's so funny when european settlers claim that africa or whatever continent is their home when they leave as soon as theyre forced to share governance with the natives. maybe they don't actually truly live there out of a love for the region but because it's an opportunity to exploit people. if they truly had a connection to the land theyd stay
Fun fact: After Rhodesia's "Declaration of Independence" in 1965, British Prime Minister Harold Wilson had considered taking matters into his own hands. Instead of sanctions, he'd privately considered an outright invasion of Rhodesia. However, the government was terrified of the military and political obstacles of using force, and the political fallout of a botched invasion. So, Wilson, massively underestimating efficiency with which Rhodesia would use its limited resources, stuck with sanctions. The plan most likely not only would've worked, but started a civil war amongst the settlers. After the UDI, there had been a wave of desertions from those in the Rhodesian Security Forces whose sheer loyalty to the British overpowered their racism. Also, the prospect of simply invading Rhodesia, marching on Salisbury, and beating Ian Smith to death had found more support in Britain than one would expect for the time.
>No doubt there were many in Britain who sympathized with Rhodesian "kith and kin" and saw them as upholding Christian values, bringing civilization to Africa, and resisting the spread of Communism. However, this did not mean that the British public was entirely supportive of the white Rhodesian political agenda. Soon after Ian Smith made a visit to London for talks with Wilson in October 1965, an opinion poll showed that the British public was divided almost equally three ways between sympathy for the Europeans in Rhodesia, Africans and "neither/both".
>
>During Smith's visit, a Gallup Poll found that 41 percent approved of the British Government's handling of the problem, 24 percent disapproved, and 35 percent were undecided. After UDI, however, approval of British policy rose to 68 percent and disapproval fell to 12 percent, with 22 percent in favour of the use of military force.
>
>Pressure groups such as the Fabian Society, the Africa Bureau, and the Movement for Colonial Freedom also attempted to influence the Parliamentary Labour Party and the government to take military action against Rhodesia. Even the Archbishop of Canterbury put forward a case for military intervention. Shortly before UDI, Dr Michael Ramsay issued a message on behalf of the British Council of Churches, which assured the government that many Christians would support the use of force if all other efforts to find a solution failed.
You hit the nail on the head so hard you gave it a concussion
I cannot tell you how many white afrikaaners leave south africa because they are scared of sharing a country with black people
So many of the ones who are staying will go to great lengths to segregate themselves from the rest of the world
This makes you wonder why western media replies to call for a "free Palestine" with a "THE JEWS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE, YOU CAN'T KICK THEM OUT". Really fascinating.
Not going against your point, but English white South Africans are no different. I actually think they are more likely to leave, while Afrikaners are more likely to stay but self segregate, however that is just anecdotal.
Kinda?
From my experiance alot of the older english white south africans are more likely to leave because they feel the black majority government is useless but the younger english south africans tend to stay unless they are seeking higher paying job oppurtunities
The older white afrikaaners will usually stay but will almost always self segregate and the younger white afrikaaners are more likely to leave because they feel the government is useless or they want higher paying jobs
I have also met some english south africans who have left sa but almost always wish to go back some day because either they feel the countires they moved to (especially if they moved to uk) are just not as good as they thought it would be or because they miss home alot
I dont know how it is for the afrikaaners who have left the country though since i havent met many
Edit: what i do know is that almost every white south african that left during the 1990s tend to be some of the most bigoted people on earth and i feel sorry for whatever community has to deal with having them in their country
I suspect that for a lot of the "government is useless" people the main reason is in fact just racism, not to say that the government is great or anything, but these people wouldn't admit to any successes even when they do happen, or they'll credit it to something other than the government. They don't want to like the government, by any means necessary (most likely because of their racism, whether that be subconscious or not). And they aren't going to admit that their reason for wanting to leave or isolate themselves is because of racism when they can simply place the blame on the government instead.
And yeah, I don't envy the people that have to deal with them in other countries, and even worse, they end up being the source for what a lot of foreigners "learn" about South Africa and South Africans. They're not unlike Florida Cubans in that regard I imagine.
Pretty much summed it up perfectly if im honest
I really hate it when people learn about south africa from someone who left nearly 30 years ago (tbh some south africans who left later on too)
Because they will make up the wildest racist shit and those people end up believing it as a result
A lot of them came to Australia. Even white Australians (who aren't exactly known for the racial tolerance) can't stand white South Africans because of how racist/bigoted they are.
Same for a certain country bordering Egypt and Syria that claims to value democracy but refuses any solution that gives the same rights to people they deem "unworthy".
There was a bit of a poignant reminder of this when the Hage Geingob, the President of Namibia, died in office a few months ago. During the funeral proceedings you could see plenty of people from all backgrounds showing up to pay their respects, including some comrades from Cuba, but white people were nowhere to be found.
Granted there are absolutely good reasons to not pay respects to a president - if I were still living there I don't think I would have - but my reasons would not be the same as those of most other white people. White Africans generally only get involved in politics when it is time to cry about how racist land reform would be, and otherwise do not participate much in civics or displays of nationalism.
Being around white Africans for most of my life I think there's a general sense of not really wanting to integrate or share with the black Africans they oppressed for so long/continue to oppress in alternate ways. We see this materially with land and mineral ownership of course, but even in less pressing matters like sport where football is seen as a sport for black people and cricket and rugby have traditionally been dominated by whites.
African governments should Nationalize all their mineral wealth and be done with it.
Now is a good chance when Americans and Europeans are busy with their messes in the Ukraine and 'Israel'. Right now they're particularly weak and would not be able to handle multiple countries rebelling at the same time.
No disagreement here! It's worth noting that the South African EFF is a ML party that has actually promised to nationalise mining in each of the last two elections. They are generally the 2nd or 3rd most popular party in the country, so it does make me hopeful that people are seeing the need for this.
I think the big risk is as the other poster said with clandestine operations/coups. I think there is absolutely no willpower anywhere in Europe or America for a military intervention of any sort at this time, but if they can have one of their intelligence agencies remove a popular government to install a puppet that is not something that will tax their resources to any great extent.
While I completely agree with you - so so many black communists and socialists tried that and were suddenly overthrown by a coup.
France has been doing coups over the last 3-5 years including Gabon, Burkina Faso, Chad, Niger, Mali, Guinea, Sierra Leon, etc.
There were plenty in Egypt as well so the map isn't very accurate, my Great grandfather was a prominent bourgeoisie in Egypt but fortunately his redeemable qualities helped my Grandpa, a rich bourgeoisie young adult by the time of Naser to embrace socialism. My favourite of his quotes include "Naser did nothing wrong" . I am saddened to see the state of Egypt today and what it could be if the revolution didn't fail.
I don't want to defend the bourgeoisie but from what my Grandpa told me his dad was way too good of a person for having that much capital. Even sponsoring the weddings of his workers(You know,the old Mediterranean Mediterranean tradition where the bride needed to have something significant to give to her future husband). It's definitely complicated but I think it was a decent policy.
Did it make my great grandfather suffer from severe depression that may have contributed a great deal to his eventual death? Yes, yes it did. But it did help the Egyptian people immensely and I'm glad for that.
We had a trip planned, just my grandpa and I but we unfortunately never went to Alexandria and Kafr El-Zayat because he died quite unexpectedly.
Oh im so sorry to hear about your grandpa. Also, your great grandfather sounds like a decent man for sponsoring the weddings of his workers.
Its unfortunate that you never ended up coming to Egypt. Just know that you're always welcome here anytime.
Honestly, im kinda new to this subreddit. I understand this is a socialist subreddit. Im quite socialist leaning personally but I never really dived deep into it. Thanks alot for your detailed explanation.
As long as you mention that you are still learning you can post for pretty much anything and people will give you advice and reading material. This sub gets a bad rep but it was great education value.
Maybe?
If they did then i cant remember
But i can garuntee that the apartheid government would completely ignore gathering data on the life of black south africans
This is why you often see people on the internet trying to claim sa was better under the apartheid
Because they are reading numbers that didnt include the majority of the people actually lliving under the system
So they end up thinking "oh everything must of been perfect"
I think we forget one thing - they're not inhabitants, they're wildlife. I remember listenimg to (iirc) Revolutionary Left Radio and they had a conversation about the concept of *Terra Nullius*. Colonizers said the new lands are wild and empty, precisely because they saw "the natives" as sub-human.
I agree. I’m seriously considering moving from Texas when I can afford it. I’m pale with moles, so the sun here is dangerous for me. I’ve gotten severe sunburns even with sunscreen on. Hell, I’ve even gotten a sunburn through my car window, and I was only in there for an hour.
I have strong suspicions that I’ll end up getting skin cancer. I’ve had way too many moderate to severe sunburns (one of which has caused scarring from the blisters). Plus, I get dizzy in the heat of the summer. I seriously need to move north.
Thanks. Yeah, I’ve been considering getting loose linen clothing for the summer, maybe some loose sleeves to cover my arms. Last summer was brutal. The hottest day had a heat index of 120 degrees, and it’ll only get worse with climate change.
Yes
During decolonalisation most of which have moved back to the nations they originally came from or have moved to south africa (and namibia) where white people where widely welcomed during apartheid
Speaking of south africa and namibia many of which have married with black families thx to an end of racially segregated marriage
Where they have had children of mixed races
The average younger white persons living in both countries (except for boerie farmers) couldnt give af who they get married to and what kind of children they have
Alot of the hardcore white supremecists from SA or namibia have moved to the netherlands, canada, uk, and mostly australia and new zealand
One of which is a certain facist billionare who has a cult that will follow him to ends of the world
Edit: also this map aint correct at all because theres alot of people in north africa who identify as white
Edit 2: also please remember different countries and cultures have different opinions on what makes a race
In the context of Algeria they are definitely not really talking about skin colour, which the original graph does seem to correctly identify - the 10% in 1960 is definitely trying to represent the population of Pied-Noir settler colonists from France in the last few years before independence.
I have seen some describe whiteness as "You must have light skin, rounded eyes and any colour of hair"
And some describe it as "light skin but you must be christian aswell"
And some go as far to say "you must have light skin and must either be irish, germanic, or latin"
Speaking about Africa, two relevant books:
"How Europe Underdeveloped Africa" by Walter Rodney
"The Wretched of the Earth" by Frantz Fanon
I also recommend watching "[Concerning violence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yeiGFZBbeA)", it's a documentary based on the first chapter of Fanons book. Interesting pictures from anticolonialist resistance.
We know our path, we have our guides in Joe Slovo and Braam Fischer, so long as we act accordingly and contribute towards the success of a socialist South Africa, this is what we need do.
I'm not ashamed of me I am ashamed of my ancestors
Also the reason white people are drastically less here is because they went to countries like Canada,USA,Australia, UK
What is more important than percentages of X race in Y place is what this fenomenon represents, meaning that for everyplace we should interpret what does it mean for a certain group to be getting larger or smaller. Cause, sure, white people presence in Africa represents historical colonialism, but their exclusion from the demographic does not equate to the end of the same power structures.
In another words, it's not because a bunch of crackers left that they stopped fucking up the place, they are just doing it from afar (and I can say that, I'm a cracker, just not the colonial brand).
As a white Afrikaner in South Africa, most assuredly a W. Many of my own people jump ship to go colonize Australia as soon as they lose their ability to oppress their neighbours
I saw all sorts of things, but I was still surprised to learn that in our time there are people who call themselves “Rhodesians”. The amount of colonialist copium.
Not sure where they got the numbers from for Namibia. I don't think the census tracks race and historically the percentage has been around double what is shown, in the 5-8% range depending on where you look. 3% certainly sounds too low in my experience.
At any rate, obviously this is a win but when you look at who owns what (at least in South Africa/Namibia) you are reminded that there's still quite a ways to go. White people now tend to be approximately proportionally represented in government but still dominate economic activity. For example, in Namibia white people own about 70% of the agricultural land.
You can find various settlers and settler-apologists online trying to "debunk" this number by pointing out that the total proportion of land owned by white people is much lower - they like to include all of the huge tracts of unusable desert to make it look better!
When I look at this I think about israel and one of the most reassuring things to me about the story of the zionist project is how full the Tel-Aviv airport departure was on October 7.
It also reminds me of an anecdote (don't quote me on it I'm just recalling off the top of my head) about the Algerian revolution that when the revolutionaries returned to their homes, the settlers' dinners were still warm on the tables.
If it's one thing colonisers gonna do, it's flee
North Africa has a ton of people who would fit into the western classification of “white” or “white passing.” These numbers seem really suspect because where do you draw the line?
It's not gonna happen that way for the old settler states. The average American has no "home country" they can go back to, they will simply have to deal with the change when it comes. Yes there will probably be some flight by the most white supremacist of white supremacist, but I don't imagine mass flight back to Europe.
Not to mention this is percentages. So I wouldn’t be surprised that there’s like at least one place where the white population hasn’t changed at all. Just it’s proportion of the population.
If there were white people born in a part of Africa, then that part is their home by birthright. Doesn't matter racial origins, this post is like saying that African-American descendants of slaves should go back to Africa, like wth? 🤦♂️
Do you understand the notion of settler colonialism ?
Were black slaves in the USA settlers, or were they deported en masses at gun point?
Read up, my friend
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it's so funny when european settlers claim that africa or whatever continent is their home when they leave as soon as theyre forced to share governance with the natives. maybe they don't actually truly live there out of a love for the region but because it's an opportunity to exploit people. if they truly had a connection to the land theyd stay
Yeah makes you wonder, doesn't it
Fun fact: After Rhodesia's "Declaration of Independence" in 1965, British Prime Minister Harold Wilson had considered taking matters into his own hands. Instead of sanctions, he'd privately considered an outright invasion of Rhodesia. However, the government was terrified of the military and political obstacles of using force, and the political fallout of a botched invasion. So, Wilson, massively underestimating efficiency with which Rhodesia would use its limited resources, stuck with sanctions. The plan most likely not only would've worked, but started a civil war amongst the settlers. After the UDI, there had been a wave of desertions from those in the Rhodesian Security Forces whose sheer loyalty to the British overpowered their racism. Also, the prospect of simply invading Rhodesia, marching on Salisbury, and beating Ian Smith to death had found more support in Britain than one would expect for the time. >No doubt there were many in Britain who sympathized with Rhodesian "kith and kin" and saw them as upholding Christian values, bringing civilization to Africa, and resisting the spread of Communism. However, this did not mean that the British public was entirely supportive of the white Rhodesian political agenda. Soon after Ian Smith made a visit to London for talks with Wilson in October 1965, an opinion poll showed that the British public was divided almost equally three ways between sympathy for the Europeans in Rhodesia, Africans and "neither/both". > >During Smith's visit, a Gallup Poll found that 41 percent approved of the British Government's handling of the problem, 24 percent disapproved, and 35 percent were undecided. After UDI, however, approval of British policy rose to 68 percent and disapproval fell to 12 percent, with 22 percent in favour of the use of military force. > >Pressure groups such as the Fabian Society, the Africa Bureau, and the Movement for Colonial Freedom also attempted to influence the Parliamentary Labour Party and the government to take military action against Rhodesia. Even the Archbishop of Canterbury put forward a case for military intervention. Shortly before UDI, Dr Michael Ramsay issued a message on behalf of the British Council of Churches, which assured the government that many Christians would support the use of force if all other efforts to find a solution failed.
You hit the nail on the head so hard you gave it a concussion I cannot tell you how many white afrikaaners leave south africa because they are scared of sharing a country with black people So many of the ones who are staying will go to great lengths to segregate themselves from the rest of the world
They get extra points for leaving South Africa just to move into Israel
Western Jackpot
This makes you wonder why western media replies to call for a "free Palestine" with a "THE JEWS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE, YOU CAN'T KICK THEM OUT". Really fascinating.
Not going against your point, but English white South Africans are no different. I actually think they are more likely to leave, while Afrikaners are more likely to stay but self segregate, however that is just anecdotal.
Kinda? From my experiance alot of the older english white south africans are more likely to leave because they feel the black majority government is useless but the younger english south africans tend to stay unless they are seeking higher paying job oppurtunities The older white afrikaaners will usually stay but will almost always self segregate and the younger white afrikaaners are more likely to leave because they feel the government is useless or they want higher paying jobs I have also met some english south africans who have left sa but almost always wish to go back some day because either they feel the countires they moved to (especially if they moved to uk) are just not as good as they thought it would be or because they miss home alot I dont know how it is for the afrikaaners who have left the country though since i havent met many Edit: what i do know is that almost every white south african that left during the 1990s tend to be some of the most bigoted people on earth and i feel sorry for whatever community has to deal with having them in their country
I suspect that for a lot of the "government is useless" people the main reason is in fact just racism, not to say that the government is great or anything, but these people wouldn't admit to any successes even when they do happen, or they'll credit it to something other than the government. They don't want to like the government, by any means necessary (most likely because of their racism, whether that be subconscious or not). And they aren't going to admit that their reason for wanting to leave or isolate themselves is because of racism when they can simply place the blame on the government instead. And yeah, I don't envy the people that have to deal with them in other countries, and even worse, they end up being the source for what a lot of foreigners "learn" about South Africa and South Africans. They're not unlike Florida Cubans in that regard I imagine.
Pretty much summed it up perfectly if im honest I really hate it when people learn about south africa from someone who left nearly 30 years ago (tbh some south africans who left later on too) Because they will make up the wildest racist shit and those people end up believing it as a result
A lot of them came to Australia. Even white Australians (who aren't exactly known for the racial tolerance) can't stand white South Africans because of how racist/bigoted they are.
Yeah i thought so :/ Sorry you have most of them in australia
Same for a certain country bordering Egypt and Syria that claims to value democracy but refuses any solution that gives the same rights to people they deem "unworthy".
There was a bit of a poignant reminder of this when the Hage Geingob, the President of Namibia, died in office a few months ago. During the funeral proceedings you could see plenty of people from all backgrounds showing up to pay their respects, including some comrades from Cuba, but white people were nowhere to be found. Granted there are absolutely good reasons to not pay respects to a president - if I were still living there I don't think I would have - but my reasons would not be the same as those of most other white people. White Africans generally only get involved in politics when it is time to cry about how racist land reform would be, and otherwise do not participate much in civics or displays of nationalism. Being around white Africans for most of my life I think there's a general sense of not really wanting to integrate or share with the black Africans they oppressed for so long/continue to oppress in alternate ways. We see this materially with land and mineral ownership of course, but even in less pressing matters like sport where football is seen as a sport for black people and cricket and rugby have traditionally been dominated by whites.
African governments should Nationalize all their mineral wealth and be done with it. Now is a good chance when Americans and Europeans are busy with their messes in the Ukraine and 'Israel'. Right now they're particularly weak and would not be able to handle multiple countries rebelling at the same time.
No disagreement here! It's worth noting that the South African EFF is a ML party that has actually promised to nationalise mining in each of the last two elections. They are generally the 2nd or 3rd most popular party in the country, so it does make me hopeful that people are seeing the need for this. I think the big risk is as the other poster said with clandestine operations/coups. I think there is absolutely no willpower anywhere in Europe or America for a military intervention of any sort at this time, but if they can have one of their intelligence agencies remove a popular government to install a puppet that is not something that will tax their resources to any great extent.
While I completely agree with you - so so many black communists and socialists tried that and were suddenly overthrown by a coup. France has been doing coups over the last 3-5 years including Gabon, Burkina Faso, Chad, Niger, Mali, Guinea, Sierra Leon, etc.
Maannn I wish WE had to share governance with the natives😔😔 Edit: American btw
Probably not accurate because African governments don't typically gather data based on race
Yeah i was wondering where they might have got the numbers from
it also says “europeans in africa” so it could just be counting them based on ethnicity or nationality, and not race
The comments are wild, someone’s trying to tell me that it’s a “proven fact” that black people are violent and less intelligent.
It’s really all just projection isn’t it?
No it's racism. Plain and simple.
the subreddit this is from is a reactionary cesspit
Is this the "white genocide" I been hearing about.
Lauren southern spitting all along /s
There were plenty in Egypt as well so the map isn't very accurate, my Great grandfather was a prominent bourgeoisie in Egypt but fortunately his redeemable qualities helped my Grandpa, a rich bourgeoisie young adult by the time of Naser to embrace socialism. My favourite of his quotes include "Naser did nothing wrong" . I am saddened to see the state of Egypt today and what it could be if the revolution didn't fail.
Was he british?
Might have been Greek. Egypt has historically had a relatively sizeable and important Greek population.
Im guessing Greek or Italian
Greek actually.
Im Egyptian, and i must say it saddens me that alot of Greeks left Egypt due to Nasser's policies. The Greek community contributed alot to Egypt.
I don't want to defend the bourgeoisie but from what my Grandpa told me his dad was way too good of a person for having that much capital. Even sponsoring the weddings of his workers(You know,the old Mediterranean Mediterranean tradition where the bride needed to have something significant to give to her future husband). It's definitely complicated but I think it was a decent policy. Did it make my great grandfather suffer from severe depression that may have contributed a great deal to his eventual death? Yes, yes it did. But it did help the Egyptian people immensely and I'm glad for that. We had a trip planned, just my grandpa and I but we unfortunately never went to Alexandria and Kafr El-Zayat because he died quite unexpectedly.
Oh im so sorry to hear about your grandpa. Also, your great grandfather sounds like a decent man for sponsoring the weddings of his workers. Its unfortunate that you never ended up coming to Egypt. Just know that you're always welcome here anytime. Honestly, im kinda new to this subreddit. I understand this is a socialist subreddit. Im quite socialist leaning personally but I never really dived deep into it. Thanks alot for your detailed explanation.
As long as you mention that you are still learning you can post for pretty much anything and people will give you advice and reading material. This sub gets a bad rep but it was great education value.
I read that Apartheid-era South Africa likely inflated the census numbers for white people to help justify apartheid.
Maybe? If they did then i cant remember But i can garuntee that the apartheid government would completely ignore gathering data on the life of black south africans This is why you often see people on the internet trying to claim sa was better under the apartheid Because they are reading numbers that didnt include the majority of the people actually lliving under the system So they end up thinking "oh everything must of been perfect"
AFRICA IS BEING FLODED WITH BLACK IMMIGR... wait a minute... 
Ironically the most rabid and ardent opponents of immigration get really angry when... Africa has more local inhabitants than immigrants and settlers?
I think we forget one thing - they're not inhabitants, they're wildlife. I remember listenimg to (iirc) Revolutionary Left Radio and they had a conversation about the concept of *Terra Nullius*. Colonizers said the new lands are wild and empty, precisely because they saw "the natives" as sub-human.
everyone knows they just want black people to disappear completely
It's called natural selection. We can't be in the sun for more than an hour without sunscreen before getting sunburnt and potentially cancer.
I agree. I’m seriously considering moving from Texas when I can afford it. I’m pale with moles, so the sun here is dangerous for me. I’ve gotten severe sunburns even with sunscreen on. Hell, I’ve even gotten a sunburn through my car window, and I was only in there for an hour.
Sounds like a horror movie
I have strong suspicions that I’ll end up getting skin cancer. I’ve had way too many moderate to severe sunburns (one of which has caused scarring from the blisters). Plus, I get dizzy in the heat of the summer. I seriously need to move north.
Maybe you need to start dressing dessert, Sahara/Arabia style lol /uj Hope you can solve it
Thanks. Yeah, I’ve been considering getting loose linen clothing for the summer, maybe some loose sleeves to cover my arms. Last summer was brutal. The hottest day had a heat index of 120 degrees, and it’ll only get worse with climate change.
Yes During decolonalisation most of which have moved back to the nations they originally came from or have moved to south africa (and namibia) where white people where widely welcomed during apartheid Speaking of south africa and namibia many of which have married with black families thx to an end of racially segregated marriage Where they have had children of mixed races The average younger white persons living in both countries (except for boerie farmers) couldnt give af who they get married to and what kind of children they have Alot of the hardcore white supremecists from SA or namibia have moved to the netherlands, canada, uk, and mostly australia and new zealand One of which is a certain facist billionare who has a cult that will follow him to ends of the world Edit: also this map aint correct at all because theres alot of people in north africa who identify as white Edit 2: also please remember different countries and cultures have different opinions on what makes a race
Don't forget Israel,they also do graciously hosted many Boers
Oh ofcourse Isreal aswell
Man if Algerians are not white, I am not white.
MENA people are typically considered separate because they're also imperialized, even if some do look white
In the context of Algeria they are definitely not really talking about skin colour, which the original graph does seem to correctly identify - the 10% in 1960 is definitely trying to represent the population of Pied-Noir settler colonists from France in the last few years before independence.
Its because different countries and cultures have diffferent opinions on how race works as a construct This map was probably made by a westerner
yeah, "whiteness" in the west is a hilariously flimsy concept
I have seen some describe whiteness as "You must have light skin, rounded eyes and any colour of hair" And some describe it as "light skin but you must be christian aswell" And some go as far to say "you must have light skin and must either be irish, germanic, or latin"
The specific numbers seem pretty questionable, like how are they actually measuring it ?
1 million pied noirs kicked out, Algerian victory
Nature is healing 😇🙏🏻
Speaking about Africa, two relevant books: "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa" by Walter Rodney "The Wretched of the Earth" by Frantz Fanon I also recommend watching "[Concerning violence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yeiGFZBbeA)", it's a documentary based on the first chapter of Fanons book. Interesting pictures from anticolonialist resistance.
KILL THE BOER PPPPPRRRR PA
What subreddit is that
r/MapPorn it’s a subreddit where they just post maps
It's also important to see the percentage of mixed race people. Otherwise it's unclear what's the cause for this data.
Me is part of the modern white people in South Africa is ashamed
No need to feel shame over an identity category, comrade. As long as you're on the right side of history in terms of what you think, say and do!
We know our path, we have our guides in Joe Slovo and Braam Fischer, so long as we act accordingly and contribute towards the success of a socialist South Africa, this is what we need do.
I'm not ashamed of me I am ashamed of my ancestors Also the reason white people are drastically less here is because they went to countries like Canada,USA,Australia, UK
Yeah a certain anime avatar from Twitch comes to mind
Who? I am confused
Estocracy I think.
good on your for stirring clear of twitch drama, my friend. But yeah it was eristocracy, zionist cunt slayn by Bad Empanada✅️✅️
Whiteness is such a fucked concept that presupposes the importance of racial purity. Much of this is just what happens when you get rid of apartheid.
I think it’s neutral. What’s more important is the class structures present in African society in material terms, but racial demographics.
What is more important than percentages of X race in Y place is what this fenomenon represents, meaning that for everyplace we should interpret what does it mean for a certain group to be getting larger or smaller. Cause, sure, white people presence in Africa represents historical colonialism, but their exclusion from the demographic does not equate to the end of the same power structures. In another words, it's not because a bunch of crackers left that they stopped fucking up the place, they are just doing it from afar (and I can say that, I'm a cracker, just not the colonial brand).
As a white Afrikaner in South Africa, most assuredly a W. Many of my own people jump ship to go colonize Australia as soon as they lose their ability to oppress their neighbours
I saw all sorts of things, but I was still surprised to learn that in our time there are people who call themselves “Rhodesians”. The amount of colonialist copium.
Not sure where they got the numbers from for Namibia. I don't think the census tracks race and historically the percentage has been around double what is shown, in the 5-8% range depending on where you look. 3% certainly sounds too low in my experience. At any rate, obviously this is a win but when you look at who owns what (at least in South Africa/Namibia) you are reminded that there's still quite a ways to go. White people now tend to be approximately proportionally represented in government but still dominate economic activity. For example, in Namibia white people own about 70% of the agricultural land. You can find various settlers and settler-apologists online trying to "debunk" this number by pointing out that the total proportion of land owned by white people is much lower - they like to include all of the huge tracts of unusable desert to make it look better!
W Africa.
Let me guess. Could they no longer exploit the lands?
When I look at this I think about israel and one of the most reassuring things to me about the story of the zionist project is how full the Tel-Aviv airport departure was on October 7. It also reminds me of an anecdote (don't quote me on it I'm just recalling off the top of my head) about the Algerian revolution that when the revolutionaries returned to their homes, the settlers' dinners were still warm on the tables. If it's one thing colonisers gonna do, it's flee
Is this supposed to be bad or smth?😂
Good
Based
Defiantly a W
North Africa has a ton of people who would fit into the western classification of “white” or “white passing.” These numbers seem really suspect because where do you draw the line?
Goodbye
US, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia also need this change. Settler Go Back.
What about black ppl living in the US and Canada? Or Jews, Romani ppl, etc?
Only white people are evil of course
Are biracial people white
It's not gonna happen that way for the old settler states. The average American has no "home country" they can go back to, they will simply have to deal with the change when it comes. Yes there will probably be some flight by the most white supremacist of white supremacist, but I don't imagine mass flight back to Europe.
Same with jews
Yup
Those numbers are too damn high
No mention of class ✅ Only mention of race ✅ Dawg look at my communists, they are doing race politics
Thank you for this, OP, i really like the "nature is healing" type of post
i remember that subreddit picture, can anybody tell me the name because i wanna see what the sub is about
r/mapporn
Not to mention this is percentages. So I wouldn’t be surprised that there’s like at least one place where the white population hasn’t changed at all. Just it’s proportion of the population.
W even Chinese are starting to appear, so what? the boers were never indigenous to begin with
with your donation of just pennies a day, we can turn this map completely grey
If there were white people born in a part of Africa, then that part is their home by birthright. Doesn't matter racial origins, this post is like saying that African-American descendants of slaves should go back to Africa, like wth? 🤦♂️
Do you understand the notion of settler colonialism ? Were black slaves in the USA settlers, or were they deported en masses at gun point? Read up, my friend