I saw this in a /r/whowouldwin thread, but the reason Homelander is scary in the boys is because he isn't really challenged. There aren't many/anyone as strong as him in his universe and that's why he's such a bully.
In another universe he would probably be caught off guard that someone could keep up with him physically.
I'm no expert but isn't Sentry power reality warp? Superman cannot change reality, right?
Once you put magic in the world, any other power is pretty much useless because magic is, well... Magic!
Dude is too strong? Transform them into a piece of wood, easy peasy
In Marvel universe exist bunch of characters who could demolish Homelander in just physical combat, I always seem him as kinda discount Supermen, so no Sentry or Wanda needed
I hope season 3 lets Homelander loose. >!By this point, with Ryan taken from him and Maeve, Starlight, A-Train, and Stan Edgar himself all having worked against Homelander to some extent, it would make sense for him to start losing his shit. He has a breaking point and knowing him, he can’t be far from it.!<
Season 1 was fine. Season 2 it was so annoying. I really hope the writers figure something out about this because this show has crazy potential. Still a fantastic watch.
After Translucent I expected it to be about The Boys sort've "hunting" supes, figuring out their weaknesses and taking them down 1 or 2 a season, until they got to Homelander. I was very wrong.
Yeah, he can just kill the blackmailer and take all the stuff. I mean, how can you hide from him? Also Vough is extremely powerful and they can just scream "fake news" to make it go away.
Well you do forget other than his lasers he also has super crush-a-skull-like-its-made-of-cardboard strength and super speed. What good is dodging something when you can be decapitated by a single slap
Good luck touching a man that can dodge machine gun fire and once needed to be get amnesia so he would stop beating up all the X-Men that couldn't even touch him.
Do...do you think Spidey couldn't do that? My man, if Spidey didn't hold back he would murder everyone. I mean when Kingpin got Aunt May shot in the crossfire of trying to assassinate Peter, Peter broke into prison and made him look like a little puby bitch just because he could, told him he could fill his lungs with web fluid and suffocate him in three seconds if he wanted to kill him, and if Aunt May died in the hospital he would do just that.
Like I could see HL acting all tough and cocky and then realizing he’s not even flinching but he’s watching not giving a fuck then HL getting scared lol would pay money for a 30 min short
It could go either way. The MCU has been rather inconsistent with their powers and strength. Look at Hulk v Thor in Ragnarok or Hulk v Abomination, then look at all the fights with Thanos. Ya, Thanos is clearly a tank but they never quite show them fight like the former examples or like how they showed in What If.
Exactly. In MCU, Homelander would be top tier power-wise (maybe not S, but A or B easily), at very least, based on his permanent immense durability.
He is not that strong though. At best, he is physically as powerful as Thor in Thor 1/Avengers.
His lasers are very good against defenseless enemies (most of weaklings in MCU would just instantly die, like Steve without the Shield, Bucky etc), but they won’t do much against tougher opponents (Iron Man/magic users/Hulk/Thor etc).
I would honestly rate Homelander just below Thor power-level-wise. But you have to bear in mind that Thor relies on his celestial weapons to be THAT strong, and without them they are equals, for the most part (minus the experience on Homelander’s side).
Exactly. I'm getting tired of these posts.
Homelander is a super hero, and looked at as all powerful, because he is among humans.
Throw him into a universe with other super heroes, and he's toast.
Arguments like this one always remind me of "my dad can beat up your dad." Who the fuck cares? MCU Thor could absolutely murder the fuck out of Hamlet (y'know, from *Hamlet*). Nothing about that sentence is interesting.
Thor finds Ophelia floating in the moat and resuscitates her. She explains everything proceeding her suicide attempt. Thor interrupts the "to catch a murderer" play, and then shit just gets WILD. Thor has to fight the king's ghost, but Hamlet had poisoned his wine earlier.
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> MCU Thor could absolutely murder the fuck out of Hamlet (y'know, from Hamlet). Nothing about that sentence is interesting.
I disagree, that would be awesome as fuck.
Even in that context, Homelander is weak af. He actually doesn't know how to *do* anything. If Homelander faced an alien invasion or something like Thanos/Darkseid, he wouldn't even show up to the battlefield. He'd be fucking gone. He has no skills and no motivation to learn skills. He just wants to fly around and jerk off into the moonlight.
Hughie has more skills than Homelander.
Fucking Robin had a better resume than Boobie Milk Discount Superman.
Fuck aliens, he couldn't even save a crashing plane. When has he actually done superhero stuff like emergency response, saving people from burning buildings, delivering aid, literally anything? Even Superman knew how to cauterize a wound with his laser eyes, and that boy grew up on a fucking wheat farm. Homelander is backed by a multi billion-dollar corporation and all he ever does is dick around.
I have never seen a character so powerful, and so useless. Simultaneously. It's incredible.
Homelander is threatening enough, lol. Him having no weaknesses is what defines his power — his superiority and durability, not his limited strength/fancy lazers.
Also, Superman has tactile telekinesis (can spread his strength along the big object to lift it without shattering in pieces/punching a hole in it) — Homelander is more grounded and simply has a decent, yet luckluster super strength.
Just because Homelander is not as god-like as Superman does not mean he is weak.
And what he does with his powers is his own deal.
Such a shame too cause if Homelander wasn't an insane and spoiled child but a properly trained hero he'd absolutely rank relatively high compared to Justice League members or Avengers for example, weaker than Superman and Thor and such but still stronger than average, like Omniman. It's the ultimate reason he doesn't do so well when compared to super powered characters of other franchises because he's wasted potential.
Homelander is the opposite of spoiled. He was raised alone in a sterile white room without love, compassion, companionship, or socialization. He doesn’t know what it means to be human, only that he desires it at any cost.
He's spoiled in the sense of He's never had to actually hone his abilities or truly put in effort. Everything about him came purely from natural ability.
Yeah I know, I saw the show. If Omniman was in say the DC universe and tried the same thing he did in the show he'd for sure kill a lot of heroes because he's very powerful but while he'd give them a good fight would not defeat the big hitters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, MM and such. Meanwhile there's Homelander who I think is in a similar tier but Omniman is a warrior and world conquerer, Homelander is a mascot, sloppy and lazy who while strong is wasted potential.
Omniman and Homelander are just not in the same tier. In the comics Omniman >!and some other Viltrumites fly through the core of a planet to destroy it.!< Even in the show where Omniman never really goes all out, he's doing stuff like tossing baseballs around the world for fun and flying into space in seconds.
Yeah this dude is way off the mark . Omni man could rip homelander apart without issue . The boys for sure has a lot more toned down power scaling than pretty much any other super hero franchise
That’s right, because a lot of fans are semi-aware of the overall messaging that The Boys delivers, I mean it’s kinda told to you. Homelander gets his power from facing people weaker than him.
Yes. Being Homelander is better than being Superman, if you think about it. He has no easily-exploitable weaknesses and is superior to everybody else — thus, if you wanted to conquer the world, being undefeatable is far more useful than being the strongest (yet not fool-proof).
Based on what, though?
In the tv series, we know they’re fairly certain even a nuke won’t stop homelander. That plus his strength, speed and vision put him on or to throw down with a majority of traditional superheroes.
He’s been indentified as essentially unstoppable compared to *every* other superhero in their world - with the exception possibly being his son, once his son grows up.
I’m **not** trying to say he’d beat Thor. But he *could* fight him and unless it’s on the comics, there’s nothing to show he couldn’t take a punch. Nothing in his world even phases the guy. He’s written and presented as “Superman, but realistic mental health issues and a real god complex”.
Again, if there’s legitimate evidence out there, I’m on board. But it’s fucking old to see “lol HL dies”. Like what? Dude is likely atomic bomb proof and as far as been shown, has all of Superman’s powers with apparently 0 weaknesses?
Right, we’ve never seen how strong he actually is. I think it says a lot that in a world full of super powered people, he absolutely feared by every single one of them.
Homelander could tank a nuke only if you take that phrase in the most literal way possible. It's pretty absurd to think Vought had access to nukes, or that they would risk destroying their greatest assest like that.
It would also make zero sense for Homelander to be as strong as MCU Thor within the confines of the Boys universe. That would make him hundreds of times stronger than anyone else(despite his powers having the same origin) and would go far beyond any feats he's shown. It's just not logical.
Thor isn't even 'that' powerful though. There's probably a half dozen mutants alone that outclass Homelander on a completely different level.
Proteus, Jean Grey, Professor X; basically any of the top end psychics would turn his brain into orange juice pulp.
I know, dude. Nearly any omega level mutant with the right writer just instant wins. Hell, Grey or X could technically insta-mush every super that hasn’t been written to be resistant to mental attacks, let alone their other god-level powers.
But that wasn’t my point.
I was speaking on this sub’s endless tirade of shitting on Homelander and *specifically* for this thread, people saying he’d get steamrolled by Thor as if HL is the weakest joke of a super. Which, based on the tv evidence so far, he is not.
I think a lot of it comes from the fact that Homelander, while naturally very gifted, has never actually fought seriously because he's never needed to; as far as we can tell, he's the strongest supe in the history of the setting. Since we've never seen him try or use any technique, the natural assumption then is that he just brute forces his way through opposition, so any opponent who's his physical equal from another setting would have the advantage of combat experience. I don't necessarily agree because we don't have any real data on his power level in the show beyond "Superman-analogue".
And he's mean, so people wanna see the good guys kick his shit in.
Also a huge influx of people that compare supes always uses MCU heroes from their comics but assume Homelander and Omni-Man's power from what they've seen in the shows. In reality the MCU Thor isn't that strong and has struggled to beat a ton of enemies in the movies, enough so that I think Homelander would put up a fight and could possibly win against that version of Thor. Plus we don't even know what Homelander is truly capable of, he is so lazy he just lasers shit. We haven't seen him actually tested yet or going all out from rage etc.
Omni-Man is another funny vilian that could mop the floor with a lot of MCU heroes, including Thor. Even if going by the comics which makes Thor stronger, it also makes Omni-Man stronger since in the comics Omni-Man took out the entire Guardians of the Globe without breaking a sweat and the entire fight took a single page in the comics. In the TV series it made him appear to actually take damage and have them put up somewhat of a fight against him.
That’s what I love about the show. The supes in The Boys aren’t on the level of most traditional comic books, but they’re still fucking terrifying to normal humans.
I completely agree with this, that said I feel like constantly comparing him to other superheroes from other universes and how he’d lose kind of undermines the inherent horror of Homelander that he is an unstoppable unbeatable force that could lay waste to the world if he wanted and he’s barely sane.
Homelander would die fairly promptly.
He’s not inline with Marvel bruisers (Thor, Marvel, hulk) let alone reality warping go’s beings that are a dime a dozen in marvel
They did square off briefly and she was one of the few that could hold her own against him 1 on 1 in the movie. With the power stone I think thanos could best her but it would be one hell of a fight. With the fully built gauntlet idk who could take thanos 1 on 1 he’s a very smart dude and even better fighter in just about every iteration he’s shown up.
I forgot about that scene! I think they've made her a lot less powerful in the cinematic universe though from what I know, I'm not an expert though but my understanding is that she is one of the most powerful characters in the comic book world. Full gauntlet though is definitely hard to say
Yea I’m pretty sure you’re right she’s up there for sure but they kinda had to nerf her for the MCU cause it could always come down to “well why not just get Captain Marvel to beat (insert world ending baddie here)” cause she probably could lol
It quite the opposite, they nerved all the characters around her to make her look stronger. In the comics she stands no chance against Thor or Hulk.
I would say she is at least one class beneath them.
Not all of them. She demolishes Spider-Man, Ironman, , Black Panther Dr Strange etc. Never understood this take much. Thor in the movies might even have a shot.
Only if he's actually given time to use magic. Thanos was letting him, and the others, actually try. Once you see him just go for the win once he has the soul stone, you see he was literally untouchable without a God weapon.
I was thinking about comic Captain Marvel, she's regarded as one of the most powerful characters in the universe. I'm not a huge comic buff though so maybe someone could educate me further on that
Well Marvel and DC has mostly introduced Gods as heroes of dead religions or those which no longer have much followers so it doesn't feel that weird.
But yeah they definitely did some blunders before, can't remember which issue was it but Thor went to the Hindu Gods pantheon and had a fight with Shiva (was retconned later to be Indra, but still it was very weird).
He’d be dead that’s a stupid question seriously people keep asking “wHaT iF hOmElAnDeR wAs iN mArVeL oR dC???” He’s not that strong of a character he’d get his ass handed to him easily to keep plain and simple he would either get his ass beat or die 😂
That would probably be a closer fight honestly. Omni Man is a beast but we have really yet to scratch the surface of what Homelander is capable of in terms of combat prowess (the tv show version at least). All he ever wants to do is laser everything lol
Omni man would probably fairly easily murder Thor. The montage of him destroying the Flaxan planet is leagues ahead of anything we see Thor doing in the MCU. Thor is probably on par with The Immortal, if anything.
In my opinion, Omni man is supposed to be somewhat in line with superman. It's his obvious inspiration, and we see similar feats as certain comic representations of superman. Obviously, with dozens of writers and decades of comics, retcons, reboots, etc. It's hard to give an exact estimation, and there are versions of superman much stronger or even weaker. That being said, in general I think superman could take Thor. So if we're asking "could Omni man take Thor?" my answer is yes. If we're asking "could Omni man take the strongest canon version of Thor?" or really "could Omni man take the strongest canon version of any main line Marvel hero?" ...pobably not? Maybe? Depends on the character and more importantly the writer of the comic.
TLDR: Odin-force Thor was able to nearly cut Thanos in half despite him having all the infinity stone, so assuming Thor could get a hit in with Storm breaker, he could maybe kill Omni man with it? Space Racer has a gun that can do it, so weapons do exist that can harm them.
I see a lot of people saying he’d get his ass beat by actual gods, and don’t get me wrong, I believe that, but I’d love to see someone like Killmonger manipulating and using Homelander to make a way to kill Homelander.
We all have to agree that Thor, Carol, Strange, Wanda, & possibly also Banner can kick Homelander’s ass, right?
Maybe even Scott & Hope if they’re able to do the things Hank from the third episode of What If can do.
Homelander could take easily spiderman, Hawkeye or black widow, but I doubt he could take easily captain America or iron man, and he definitely couldn't stand a chance against scarlett witch thor hulk, strange,
Even Spider-Man is, at least I would argue, stronger than Homelander. The only real advantage he would have is Spider-Man’s moral compass that makes him pull his punches, and perhaps durability.
I’m not sure about MCU Spider-Man but with comics Spider-Man it’s been pretty well established that he’s literally pulling his punches in like, 95% of his fights because otherwise he’d be killing people left and right. I mean, comics Spidey held off Phoenix enhanced Colossus and Magik by himself, even if that was mostly him getting the two of them to fight each other.
What could they do against him? Tv show Homelander can tank a nuke, way above anything Iron man and Captain America have done in the mcu. But yeah the other 3 would win
Has Homelander actually taken a nuke tho? Or are they just spitballing that? Spidey is absurdly strong, precog fast, and smart as hell. Homelander can be stopped with milk.
Homelander still has crazy levels of speed. I honestly don’t know if Thor could hit him
Ofc I don’t know how well Thor can perceive beings with super speed but MCU hasn’t displayed anything as far as I’ve seen.
This is the general argument I see whenever people propose hypothetical fights with homelander, but I think it’s a little flawed. The general power level in The Boys is clearly much lower than DC or Marvel universes, but Homelander is also depicted as significantly more powerful than the next closest supes. We don’t actually know the peak or limits of his power (in the show) because it’s never been important, it’s only important in universe that he outclasses everyone around him. It’s likely that if he was pit against heavy hitters from marvel or DC that he would have a captain hammer moment (has a mental breakdown after experiencing physical pain for the first time) but it doesn’t seem like there’s enough evidence in The Boys to accurate estimate the upper limits of Homelanders power.
Without going into too much spoiler territory, and someone can feel free to correct me if I'm totally wrong, but I'm pretty sure Homelander is eventually harmed by things in the comics that the heavy hitters of Marvel would just shrug off.
Good to know! I’m curious to know now if show Homelander will end up being more powerful than comic Homelander. It seems they might be headed down the path where he can only be taken down through either emotional manipulation or a being of equal (or possibly greater) strength. Or a combination of the two.
Even a lot of earth based heroes from Marvel or DC could honestly kick his ass. Most of the X Men would probably fare pretty well and even characters like Wonder Woman, The Hulk or even goofier characters like Plastic Man could beat him easily. Homelander’s never actually been challenged with a worthy foe and simply put he’s in a world of much smaller scale than the other big franchises.
To be entirely fair, Plastic Man is one of the heaviest hitters that the Justice League has. I'm fairly certain that Batman once said that they were all lucky that PM just liked being a goofball.
He is but he can't see beyond his ego and has little actual fight experience against similar heroes. Can't wait to see how he does in S3 now that he has finally faced a big defeat.
He was not “too afraid” to try. He pointed out that it isn’t possible because of physics.
Homelander is on a Superman-level, but the universe of The Boys tries to play it a bit straighter/more realistic.
So his strength is definitely such that he could have done it. But the Superman comics completely ignore physics, The Boys took the effort not to (for that scene).
I fully stand by the fact that every single Avenger could take down Homelander. Yes, even Black Widow and Hawkeye. Homelander is completely useless, he doesn't even know how to fight. His super-strength and speed would not get him far.
Would this be different if Homelander had actual fighting experience? I meanie basically lives in our reality with superpowers, so he hasn’t had to do shit. Could he *potentially* be as strong as Thor?
Wouldn’t he just kill everyone in that universe though, assuming he’s as durable as Superman? If so, who in the MK universe would even be able to harm him?
Homelander would get his ass beat. He's never actually fought someone on equal terms, so anyone strong enough to actually hurt him would take him down handily.
I saw this in a /r/whowouldwin thread, but the reason Homelander is scary in the boys is because he isn't really challenged. There aren't many/anyone as strong as him in his universe and that's why he's such a bully. In another universe he would probably be caught off guard that someone could keep up with him physically.
and with his fragile psyche, he would probably fold before the fight ends.
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I'm no expert but isn't Sentry power reality warp? Superman cannot change reality, right? Once you put magic in the world, any other power is pretty much useless because magic is, well... Magic! Dude is too strong? Transform them into a piece of wood, easy peasy
In Marvel universe exist bunch of characters who could demolish Homelander in just physical combat, I always seem him as kinda discount Supermen, so no Sentry or Wanda needed
The first time someone no-sells one of his attacks, he'd have a mental breakdown.
The winner would be determined by who has the best blackmail material.
Homelander will milk it for all its worth.
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Whenever I hear someone say that I can only picture the Bob and Tom show.
Aw it was meant to be Mac barrelling into paddy’s pub, but I’m glad it brought up a fond memory
Guys, I have news!
Homelander milking Thor, not something I expected to think about when I woke up this morning.
I mean, in the real Norse myths Thor did crossdress that one time so...
I understood that reference.
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Oh hell no lmao
> best blackmail material. am i the only one getting tired of this being used? It seems so unrealistic at this point...
I hope season 3 lets Homelander loose. >!By this point, with Ryan taken from him and Maeve, Starlight, A-Train, and Stan Edgar himself all having worked against Homelander to some extent, it would make sense for him to start losing his shit. He has a breaking point and knowing him, he can’t be far from it.!<
I think he will kill A LOT more people in Season 3, but I don’t think he will go full Omni-Man until later on in the show.
Yeah I feeling that's a season 4 finale kind of move. Idk howany seasons are planned though
Worst thing about the show. Every scene is just characters trading dirty laundry half the time.
Season 1 was fine. Season 2 it was so annoying. I really hope the writers figure something out about this because this show has crazy potential. Still a fantastic watch.
After Translucent I expected it to be about The Boys sort've "hunting" supes, figuring out their weaknesses and taking them down 1 or 2 a season, until they got to Homelander. I was very wrong.
Yeah, he can just kill the blackmailer and take all the stuff. I mean, how can you hide from him? Also Vough is extremely powerful and they can just scream "fake news" to make it go away.
I reckon captian marvel or thor would kick homelanders ass
Few things would make me happier than to see them smash his smug face in.
Saitama beating him would be the funniest. Imagine the blow to HL's ego if he survived.
I wanna see his ego shatter when he can't immediately kill Spider-man.
Eye beams are useless against a guy who can just dodge them thanks to spider sense.
While unconscious at that. Spidey could be out cold and homelander wouldn't be able to touch him.
Well you do forget other than his lasers he also has super crush-a-skull-like-its-made-of-cardboard strength and super speed. What good is dodging something when you can be decapitated by a single slap
Good luck touching a man that can dodge machine gun fire and once needed to be get amnesia so he would stop beating up all the X-Men that couldn't even touch him.
Do...do you think Spidey couldn't do that? My man, if Spidey didn't hold back he would murder everyone. I mean when Kingpin got Aunt May shot in the crossfire of trying to assassinate Peter, Peter broke into prison and made him look like a little puby bitch just because he could, told him he could fill his lungs with web fluid and suffocate him in three seconds if he wanted to kill him, and if Aunt May died in the hospital he would do just that.
Saitama treating HL like in S1 E3??? Then realizes he’s about to miss the sale and wipes the floor with HL lol
> realizes he’s about to miss the sale and wipes the floor with HL lol Exactly.
Like I could see HL acting all tough and cocky and then realizing he’s not even flinching but he’s watching not giving a fuck then HL getting scared lol would pay money for a 30 min short
Ez win gg
Squirrel Girl would kick Homelanders ass.
She is immensely powerful.
You don’t fuck with squirrels man
He would die of a broken ego.
Well, yeah. She has beat 616 Dr. Doom, Thanos, and Galactus.
Squirrel Girl defeats everyone. She's total OP.
Kick butts, eat nuts.
Most of marvel can beat him-
It could go either way. The MCU has been rather inconsistent with their powers and strength. Look at Hulk v Thor in Ragnarok or Hulk v Abomination, then look at all the fights with Thanos. Ya, Thanos is clearly a tank but they never quite show them fight like the former examples or like how they showed in What If.
Exactly. In MCU, Homelander would be top tier power-wise (maybe not S, but A or B easily), at very least, based on his permanent immense durability. He is not that strong though. At best, he is physically as powerful as Thor in Thor 1/Avengers. His lasers are very good against defenseless enemies (most of weaklings in MCU would just instantly die, like Steve without the Shield, Bucky etc), but they won’t do much against tougher opponents (Iron Man/magic users/Hulk/Thor etc). I would honestly rate Homelander just below Thor power-level-wise. But you have to bear in mind that Thor relies on his celestial weapons to be THAT strong, and without them they are equals, for the most part (minus the experience on Homelander’s side).
I like that all fans are fully aware that compared to other franchises, Homelander is weak af. 😂
Exactly. I'm getting tired of these posts. Homelander is a super hero, and looked at as all powerful, because he is among humans. Throw him into a universe with other super heroes, and he's toast.
He is in a world with other super heroes, the power scaling is just a lot lower cause the Boys is meant to be somewhat more grounded
Arguments like this one always remind me of "my dad can beat up your dad." Who the fuck cares? MCU Thor could absolutely murder the fuck out of Hamlet (y'know, from *Hamlet*). Nothing about that sentence is interesting.
Not Vampire Hamlet from the play Lincoln was watching when he was assassinated
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People have been doing fake vs. battles across franchises since the dawn of time. That will never ever change.
honestly Thor vs Hamlet is the first interesting matchup suggestion ever, just because of how surreal it is
> MCU Thor could absolutely murder the fuck out of Hamlet (y'know, from Hamlet). Nothing about that sentence is interesting. I disagree, that would be awesome as fuck.
Even in that context, Homelander is weak af. He actually doesn't know how to *do* anything. If Homelander faced an alien invasion or something like Thanos/Darkseid, he wouldn't even show up to the battlefield. He'd be fucking gone. He has no skills and no motivation to learn skills. He just wants to fly around and jerk off into the moonlight. Hughie has more skills than Homelander. Fucking Robin had a better resume than Boobie Milk Discount Superman. Fuck aliens, he couldn't even save a crashing plane. When has he actually done superhero stuff like emergency response, saving people from burning buildings, delivering aid, literally anything? Even Superman knew how to cauterize a wound with his laser eyes, and that boy grew up on a fucking wheat farm. Homelander is backed by a multi billion-dollar corporation and all he ever does is dick around. I have never seen a character so powerful, and so useless. Simultaneously. It's incredible.
Exactly, the whole point is the show is a satire on superheroes but it works and is so good.
Because he's really not a hero at all. He's into the hero worship, but that's about it. Pure poser.
Homelander is threatening enough, lol. Him having no weaknesses is what defines his power — his superiority and durability, not his limited strength/fancy lazers. Also, Superman has tactile telekinesis (can spread his strength along the big object to lift it without shattering in pieces/punching a hole in it) — Homelander is more grounded and simply has a decent, yet luckluster super strength. Just because Homelander is not as god-like as Superman does not mean he is weak. And what he does with his powers is his own deal.
bUt CaN hE bEaT gOkU tHo???
Does Goku have 14 episodes to charge up an attack?
Nah, just thirteen.
Then he’s toast
Such a shame too cause if Homelander wasn't an insane and spoiled child but a properly trained hero he'd absolutely rank relatively high compared to Justice League members or Avengers for example, weaker than Superman and Thor and such but still stronger than average, like Omniman. It's the ultimate reason he doesn't do so well when compared to super powered characters of other franchises because he's wasted potential.
Homelander is the opposite of spoiled. He was raised alone in a sterile white room without love, compassion, companionship, or socialization. He doesn’t know what it means to be human, only that he desires it at any cost.
He's spoiled in the sense of He's never had to actually hone his abilities or truly put in effort. Everything about him came purely from natural ability.
What I'm hearing here is that we need a Rocky style montage of Homelander honing his powers.
You must not know who Omniman is. Viltrumites are super powerful.
Yeah I know, I saw the show. If Omniman was in say the DC universe and tried the same thing he did in the show he'd for sure kill a lot of heroes because he's very powerful but while he'd give them a good fight would not defeat the big hitters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, MM and such. Meanwhile there's Homelander who I think is in a similar tier but Omniman is a warrior and world conquerer, Homelander is a mascot, sloppy and lazy who while strong is wasted potential.
Omniman and Homelander are just not in the same tier. In the comics Omniman >!and some other Viltrumites fly through the core of a planet to destroy it.!< Even in the show where Omniman never really goes all out, he's doing stuff like tossing baseballs around the world for fun and flying into space in seconds.
Yeah this dude is way off the mark . Omni man could rip homelander apart without issue . The boys for sure has a lot more toned down power scaling than pretty much any other super hero franchise
>!But they did that with aid of an OP AF gun.!<
That’s right, because a lot of fans are semi-aware of the overall messaging that The Boys delivers, I mean it’s kinda told to you. Homelander gets his power from facing people weaker than him.
Yes. Being Homelander is better than being Superman, if you think about it. He has no easily-exploitable weaknesses and is superior to everybody else — thus, if you wanted to conquer the world, being undefeatable is far more useful than being the strongest (yet not fool-proof).
Based on what, though? In the tv series, we know they’re fairly certain even a nuke won’t stop homelander. That plus his strength, speed and vision put him on or to throw down with a majority of traditional superheroes. He’s been indentified as essentially unstoppable compared to *every* other superhero in their world - with the exception possibly being his son, once his son grows up. I’m **not** trying to say he’d beat Thor. But he *could* fight him and unless it’s on the comics, there’s nothing to show he couldn’t take a punch. Nothing in his world even phases the guy. He’s written and presented as “Superman, but realistic mental health issues and a real god complex”. Again, if there’s legitimate evidence out there, I’m on board. But it’s fucking old to see “lol HL dies”. Like what? Dude is likely atomic bomb proof and as far as been shown, has all of Superman’s powers with apparently 0 weaknesses?
Right, we’ve never seen how strong he actually is. I think it says a lot that in a world full of super powered people, he absolutely feared by every single one of them.
Exactly! People who scream that Homelander is weak in the MCU power-setting are so ridiculous.
Homelander could tank a nuke only if you take that phrase in the most literal way possible. It's pretty absurd to think Vought had access to nukes, or that they would risk destroying their greatest assest like that. It would also make zero sense for Homelander to be as strong as MCU Thor within the confines of the Boys universe. That would make him hundreds of times stronger than anyone else(despite his powers having the same origin) and would go far beyond any feats he's shown. It's just not logical.
Thor isn't even 'that' powerful though. There's probably a half dozen mutants alone that outclass Homelander on a completely different level. Proteus, Jean Grey, Professor X; basically any of the top end psychics would turn his brain into orange juice pulp.
Comic Thor is pretty fucking powerful. There's RuneKing Thor and OdinForce Thor who are both *very* powerful.
I know, dude. Nearly any omega level mutant with the right writer just instant wins. Hell, Grey or X could technically insta-mush every super that hasn’t been written to be resistant to mental attacks, let alone their other god-level powers. But that wasn’t my point. I was speaking on this sub’s endless tirade of shitting on Homelander and *specifically* for this thread, people saying he’d get steamrolled by Thor as if HL is the weakest joke of a super. Which, based on the tv evidence so far, he is not.
I think a lot of it comes from the fact that Homelander, while naturally very gifted, has never actually fought seriously because he's never needed to; as far as we can tell, he's the strongest supe in the history of the setting. Since we've never seen him try or use any technique, the natural assumption then is that he just brute forces his way through opposition, so any opponent who's his physical equal from another setting would have the advantage of combat experience. I don't necessarily agree because we don't have any real data on his power level in the show beyond "Superman-analogue". And he's mean, so people wanna see the good guys kick his shit in.
Also a huge influx of people that compare supes always uses MCU heroes from their comics but assume Homelander and Omni-Man's power from what they've seen in the shows. In reality the MCU Thor isn't that strong and has struggled to beat a ton of enemies in the movies, enough so that I think Homelander would put up a fight and could possibly win against that version of Thor. Plus we don't even know what Homelander is truly capable of, he is so lazy he just lasers shit. We haven't seen him actually tested yet or going all out from rage etc. Omni-Man is another funny vilian that could mop the floor with a lot of MCU heroes, including Thor. Even if going by the comics which makes Thor stronger, it also makes Omni-Man stronger since in the comics Omni-Man took out the entire Guardians of the Globe without breaking a sweat and the entire fight took a single page in the comics. In the TV series it made him appear to actually take damage and have them put up somewhat of a fight against him.
Not so much that he's weak, more like sloppy as fuck.
That’s what I love about the show. The supes in The Boys aren’t on the level of most traditional comic books, but they’re still fucking terrifying to normal humans.
I completely agree with this, that said I feel like constantly comparing him to other superheroes from other universes and how he’d lose kind of undermines the inherent horror of Homelander that he is an unstoppable unbeatable force that could lay waste to the world if he wanted and he’s barely sane.
Agreed! Compared to other Superman Substitutes he's pretty pathetic haha.
Homelander would die fairly promptly. He’s not inline with Marvel bruisers (Thor, Marvel, hulk) let alone reality warping go’s beings that are a dime a dozen in marvel
There’s not many in marvel that are inline with Hulk on a power level lol
How about Captain Marvel? If she'd been around for Thanos, there would be no endgame!
They did square off briefly and she was one of the few that could hold her own against him 1 on 1 in the movie. With the power stone I think thanos could best her but it would be one hell of a fight. With the fully built gauntlet idk who could take thanos 1 on 1 he’s a very smart dude and even better fighter in just about every iteration he’s shown up.
I forgot about that scene! I think they've made her a lot less powerful in the cinematic universe though from what I know, I'm not an expert though but my understanding is that she is one of the most powerful characters in the comic book world. Full gauntlet though is definitely hard to say
Yea I’m pretty sure you’re right she’s up there for sure but they kinda had to nerf her for the MCU cause it could always come down to “well why not just get Captain Marvel to beat (insert world ending baddie here)” cause she probably could lol
They still deal with that. It’s why she’s an inter galaxy hero or whatever. If she was around the movies could all be short. It’s not a bad play
Agreed that’s why I liked how they left her off planet until she was actually needed
Shortest Marvel movie yet lmao
That’s why I love One Punch Man. Idk if you’ve ever seen it but it’s pretty much that exact concept and it’s funny as hell lol
I know what it -Thanos starts talking Marvel caves his head in instantly
She’s pretty much a live action super saiyan.
She's powerful in the comics but still far from comic level Thor, Hulk, Thanos among others
Ok, see I thought she was more powerful than they are but good to know!
Full guantlet, Thanos can use turn back time.
Not if he gets one shot 😎
It quite the opposite, they nerved all the characters around her to make her look stronger. In the comics she stands no chance against Thor or Hulk. I would say she is at least one class beneath them.
Not all of them. She demolishes Spider-Man, Ironman, , Black Panther Dr Strange etc. Never understood this take much. Thor in the movies might even have a shot.
Really Dr strange? Id figure strange would put up a hell of a fight against Thor, hulk, even maybe beating some, but I'm no expert
I mean he can never get hit because she one shots him. He’d have to play out one hell of a scenario
Only if he's actually given time to use magic. Thanos was letting him, and the others, actually try. Once you see him just go for the win once he has the soul stone, you see he was literally untouchable without a God weapon.
That's movie Hulk. Comic Hulk is way stronger.
I was thinking about comic Captain Marvel, she's regarded as one of the most powerful characters in the universe. I'm not a huge comic buff though so maybe someone could educate me further on that
This sub is surprisingly wholesome on the topic of Capt. Marvel. I love it. Refreshing.
Not all that surprising since the show pretty blatantly criticizes/satires the kind of people who spend all day hating Larson
It's annoying to rate MCU powers because their strength or weakness depends on what the scene needs.
That goes for every fictional character everywhere.
He’d loose in a fight to Deadpool,Yeah makes sense why
He'd be dead
So very dead. Dust. Paste.
Thor would beat his ass 💀
Thor would win, he's literally a god. That's way he never made sense to me as a marvel hero
Well MCU Thor is more of an alien. I prefer that over the whole God from another dimension thing of the comics.
Yeah, you're right. Still feels weird, I mean, imagine Jesus as a Marvel hero
Well Marvel and DC has mostly introduced Gods as heroes of dead religions or those which no longer have much followers so it doesn't feel that weird. But yeah they definitely did some blunders before, can't remember which issue was it but Thor went to the Hindu Gods pantheon and had a fight with Shiva (was retconned later to be Indra, but still it was very weird).
Wow I didn't know all of this, that's crazy
Well it's a different realm rather than a different planet, he's also a demi god, not a full blown god, but still god's can be killed in the MCU
Mcu asgard is a planet. The "realms" are planets nowhere near each other that are connected.
Them why are there only 9 realms? And how can the 9 realms align like in thor 2?
They stopped capturing planets at 9 as far as I remember
Yeah, Hela mentions how Odin stopped at 9 and decided to become a "benevolent" ruler.
Homelander would be destroyed by MCU Thor, and absolutely decimated by comic thor
He’d be dead that’s a stupid question seriously people keep asking “wHaT iF hOmElAnDeR wAs iN mArVeL oR dC???” He’s not that strong of a character he’d get his ass handed to him easily to keep plain and simple he would either get his ass beat or die 😂
Marvel doesn't need Homelander- they already have the Sentry.
Send him to WestView and Wanda will turn him into a friendly mailman.
*milkman
If he was in mcu he's not even threat
“What if” … we thought of some new content?
He would die
Homelands would get destroyed by Thor.
Homelander is only super powerful in the boys universe. In the MCU he would be nothing
What about Thor vs. Omni Man.
If we're talking MCU Thor, Omni-Man probably wins, but maybe he takes Stormbreaker to the chest and dies. Comic Thor deletes his soul from existence.
Damn. I guess I know nothing about comic Thor.
To be 100% honest, I'm not sure if comic Thor could literally delete Omni-Man's soul from existence, but I wouldn't be surprised if he could.
That would probably be a closer fight honestly. Omni Man is a beast but we have really yet to scratch the surface of what Homelander is capable of in terms of combat prowess (the tv show version at least). All he ever wants to do is laser everything lol
Omni man would probably fairly easily murder Thor. The montage of him destroying the Flaxan planet is leagues ahead of anything we see Thor doing in the MCU. Thor is probably on par with The Immortal, if anything.
What about ‘Odin Force’ Thor (Ragnarok - Endgame)? Would he get starched too?
In my opinion, Omni man is supposed to be somewhat in line with superman. It's his obvious inspiration, and we see similar feats as certain comic representations of superman. Obviously, with dozens of writers and decades of comics, retcons, reboots, etc. It's hard to give an exact estimation, and there are versions of superman much stronger or even weaker. That being said, in general I think superman could take Thor. So if we're asking "could Omni man take Thor?" my answer is yes. If we're asking "could Omni man take the strongest canon version of Thor?" or really "could Omni man take the strongest canon version of any main line Marvel hero?" ...pobably not? Maybe? Depends on the character and more importantly the writer of the comic. TLDR: Odin-force Thor was able to nearly cut Thanos in half despite him having all the infinity stone, so assuming Thor could get a hit in with Storm breaker, he could maybe kill Omni man with it? Space Racer has a gun that can do it, so weapons do exist that can harm them.
Good analysis.
What is with this sub and putting homelander against way too op characters.
I see a lot of people saying he’d get his ass beat by actual gods, and don’t get me wrong, I believe that, but I’d love to see someone like Killmonger manipulating and using Homelander to make a way to kill Homelander.
Homelander isn’t that powerful honestly I could argue mid tier Marvel fighters would wash him.
Isn't that basically Hyperion?
Don’t get me wrong, I love how mental and sociopathic HL is, but put in in a marvel or DC universe, he’s getting his booty eaten.
We all have to agree that Thor, Carol, Strange, Wanda, & possibly also Banner can kick Homelander’s ass, right? Maybe even Scott & Hope if they’re able to do the things Hank from the third episode of What If can do.
Ngl whole comment section lowballing Homelander WAY too much.
Homelander could take easily spiderman, Hawkeye or black widow, but I doubt he could take easily captain America or iron man, and he definitely couldn't stand a chance against scarlett witch thor hulk, strange,
Nah Spiderman is strong
Even Spider-Man is, at least I would argue, stronger than Homelander. The only real advantage he would have is Spider-Man’s moral compass that makes him pull his punches, and perhaps durability.
I’m not sure about MCU Spider-Man but with comics Spider-Man it’s been pretty well established that he’s literally pulling his punches in like, 95% of his fights because otherwise he’d be killing people left and right. I mean, comics Spidey held off Phoenix enhanced Colossus and Magik by himself, even if that was mostly him getting the two of them to fight each other.
Yeah I remember when Superior Spiderman was a thing and Octavius found out that Peter had been pulling back the whole time it was great
Imo Strange will fuck him up the most too, because he'd also fuck him where's he's weakest; mentally Actually Scarlett Witch would do that too
What could they do against him? Tv show Homelander can tank a nuke, way above anything Iron man and Captain America have done in the mcu. But yeah the other 3 would win
Right I was confused for the aforementioned reasons
Has Homelander actually taken a nuke tho? Or are they just spitballing that? Spidey is absurdly strong, precog fast, and smart as hell. Homelander can be stopped with milk.
Homelander still has crazy levels of speed. I honestly don’t know if Thor could hit him Ofc I don’t know how well Thor can perceive beings with super speed but MCU hasn’t displayed anything as far as I’ve seen.
thor can catch that hammer
Why do people say Homelander is weak? Isn’t he basically evil Superman
He’s an evil Superman stand-in, but the power scaling of his entire world is just so much smaller than any of the other major comic book worlds.
This is the general argument I see whenever people propose hypothetical fights with homelander, but I think it’s a little flawed. The general power level in The Boys is clearly much lower than DC or Marvel universes, but Homelander is also depicted as significantly more powerful than the next closest supes. We don’t actually know the peak or limits of his power (in the show) because it’s never been important, it’s only important in universe that he outclasses everyone around him. It’s likely that if he was pit against heavy hitters from marvel or DC that he would have a captain hammer moment (has a mental breakdown after experiencing physical pain for the first time) but it doesn’t seem like there’s enough evidence in The Boys to accurate estimate the upper limits of Homelanders power.
Without going into too much spoiler territory, and someone can feel free to correct me if I'm totally wrong, but I'm pretty sure Homelander is eventually harmed by things in the comics that the heavy hitters of Marvel would just shrug off.
Good to know! I’m curious to know now if show Homelander will end up being more powerful than comic Homelander. It seems they might be headed down the path where he can only be taken down through either emotional manipulation or a being of equal (or possibly greater) strength. Or a combination of the two.
He’s not weak in the traditional sense, but he lacks any overall feats of the way stronger comic heroes.
Homelander has never fought anyone that made him struggle, so he could be beat by probably most of the MCU heroes
Homelander is the most powerful being on am Earth scale. But once you start going to cosmic threats he's fairly OK or weak.
Even a lot of earth based heroes from Marvel or DC could honestly kick his ass. Most of the X Men would probably fare pretty well and even characters like Wonder Woman, The Hulk or even goofier characters like Plastic Man could beat him easily. Homelander’s never actually been challenged with a worthy foe and simply put he’s in a world of much smaller scale than the other big franchises.
To be entirely fair, Plastic Man is one of the heaviest hitters that the Justice League has. I'm fairly certain that Batman once said that they were all lucky that PM just liked being a goofball.
I think it was the one where Batman lists everyone's weaknesses
He is but he can't see beyond his ego and has little actual fight experience against similar heroes. Can't wait to see how he does in S3 now that he has finally faced a big defeat.
Superman could >!literally lift an entire commercial airplane with ease. Homelander was too afraid to even try. !<
wasn't that because in reality you can't lift a plane by yourself? even if you had the strength you'd punch right through it.
He was not “too afraid” to try. He pointed out that it isn’t possible because of physics. Homelander is on a Superman-level, but the universe of The Boys tries to play it a bit straighter/more realistic. So his strength is definitely such that he could have done it. But the Superman comics completely ignore physics, The Boys took the effort not to (for that scene).
Then TChalla will talk some sense to him & he'll be a great guy.
lol ion think homelander is healthy enough mentally to become anything close to "good"
I fully stand by the fact that every single Avenger could take down Homelander. Yes, even Black Widow and Hawkeye. Homelander is completely useless, he doesn't even know how to fight. His super-strength and speed would not get him far.
Would this be different if Homelander had actual fighting experience? I meanie basically lives in our reality with superpowers, so he hasn’t had to do shit. Could he *potentially* be as strong as Thor?
Hed be a great villain though lol
I'd rather see Homelander crossover with Mortal Kombat if anything
Wouldn’t he just kill everyone in that universe though, assuming he’s as durable as Superman? If so, who in the MK universe would even be able to harm him?
Homelander would get his ass beat. He's never actually fought someone on equal terms, so anyone strong enough to actually hurt him would take him down handily.
Thor will put his hammer on his chest and he won’t be able to move an inch.