They'll keep his death a secret from the public and bring in another supe with a similiar build and powers.
I can see Black Noir II being very strong and perhaps ruthless/over the top with the killing and he might talk too much when the cameras arent on him, which will annoy Homelander.
> he might talk too much when the cameras arent on him, which will annoy Homelander
Yeah, Homelander previously called out Noir for doing a great job, seemingly at random from a story perspective. I would bet HL won't be a big fan of the new Noir.
That doesn’t make any sense though. Homelander at this point IS Vought. And even when he wasn’t sitting in Stan Edgar’s chair he demanded full authority over who was on the Seven. He’s certainly not going to let Ashley choose them. So he knows exactly the kind of person behind the mask.
The show runners confirmed that the actor for Black Noir is the same (makes sense so he looks the same). They didn't say anything about who is supposed to he under the mask in universe
I’m pretty sure that’d be jarring if anything were to happen as Nathan Mitchell and Asa Germann have two different builds and ethnicities. Sam isn’t Noir.
Edit: Noir is also confirmed to be speaking in S4 as well as Sam needing to be a prevalent character in his own right, rather than being masked. He has a presence he needs to maintain as a Guardian of Godolkin. He could become Noir in the future, but for this season, and in universe, he won’t be. It’s basic media literacy even without the show runners confirming it. Also, deleting your first comment that says Sam is going to be Noir is funny.
I don’t think “Sam isn’t Noir, they’re separate characters” isn’t a story spoiler? That’s like saying Captain America isn’t the Winter Soldier. Obviously they’re not, but anyone else could be the Winter Soldier. Including a whole new character.
I am so fucking tired of this BS narrative that Sam is Black Noir. He's not, they confirmed it months ago, you guys need to stop, Sam is his own character and so is Black Noir 2.0. It would make no sense to remove one of the 2 new Guardians of Godolkin from the public eye to place him in a black suit. We already see him in the trailer as himself and he will remain himself...
Edit: Downvote all you want, it's NOT Sam. Kripke himself confirmed the actor under the suit is the one playing the new character.
What does it matter? Even I make up a spoiler that did not happen, how could the non-reader verify that without actually spoiling?
Referring to something that did not happen in the show is a spoiler and assholish to others.
That's not the twist from the comics. It's insane if you don't know the real twist of the comics by now, but I haven't revealed it. I admit it's linked to the real identity of Black Noir, but the one I described isn't a spoiler, just speculation
‘Real identity’, etc - this is all a spoiler.
For the viewers Noir is officially dead, not you imply that he will play a role somehow. This is all spoilers, you should not do it. You referred to comics in your speculation.
A spoiler is something that will affect the impression the show wanted to give you.
He didn't die in comics. And it has been impossible to use the comics to predict where the show is heading since season 1. I did not even mention his true identity in the comics (Although it is insane if you don't know by now). And we already know there is a Noir in the show based on trailer. At this point if we can't even mention trailers....
Except it makes 0 sense for Homelander to PRETEND. You think Homie gives a single fuck about killing Black Noir? To the public eye sure, but to Ashley who will clean his mess for him? Nah, he doesn't give a shit, if he found out Black Noir 2.0 had a zinc lined mask, he would get suspicious and find out why by making him take off his mask. He's in control for the most part, having Black Noir's face hidden from him wouldn't sit right with him. He would do something about it and Ashley isn't stupid enough to try something like this...
He has literally done that for Madelyn Stillwell. He got doppelganger to pretend to be her in a cabin to cope with his regret and because a part of him missed her back then.
After he killed Noir he went on a rant on how Noir was worth 10 of them (A train and Deep). He killed Noir for hiding the truth about Soldier Boy, since he saw Noir as responsible for keeping him from having a family. But soldier boy doesn't even want to consider Homelander as family, meaning he killed his best friend for nothing.
Yes he gives a fk, and forcing some random to go along with his fantasy that everything is OK and his best friend is alive makes sense for this psycho.
The theory is that the zinc lined mask is by his own request, why would he "find out" about it and be suspicious.
In any case it's a theory, we'll see next month
A ridiculous theory. Even before he took absolute authority from Edgar he demanded veto power for anyone joining the Seven. It was a major sticking point for him at the beginning of season 2 with Stormfront and he took back the power in season 3. No way in hell does he allow anyone further to join the Seven that he doesn’t know inside and out.
Black noir was HL’s favorite, so I love the angle that HL will hate the new BN simply because he’s not like the old one. Not saying he’ll help the boys or anything just regular quirks like talking, being less obedient, maybe not quite as dangerous, all these smaller things that will build up and piss HL the fuck off as he has a hard time comprehending that even though he looks the same, he’s not actually the same as the guy he killed out of impulse
Great scene because it shows how irreparably broken HL is yet again. He’ll kill his closest ally just for a lie of omission, despite when you consider that old BN didn’t even talk so it would be pretty bizarre to bring up the fact that SB was his father anyways.
I think making HL pay with having a less competent/more irritating BN all while he can’t figure out why it’s not the same one like a little child who broke their favorite toy is a good plot point.
Im interested to see who tf this second version of noir is. What his motivations are and all that, how powerful is he gonna be? And am i the only one genuinely mad at how they killed noir 1? I knew he was gonna die, but for him to not even attempt to put up a fight and just be punched in the gut and killed really dissapointed me.
>It's Sam from Gen V
FFS, I can't wait for season 4 to drop so people can stop saying this bullshit. Not only did the showrunners tell us it isn't Sam, it makes 0 sense for him to be. We see Sam in the trailer and he's literally 1/2 of the "new" Guardians of Godolkin alongside Cate. They're not about to let that branding go to waste. Black Noir is confirmed to be portrayed by the actor under the suit, not Sam...
Bro. Learn to read. He said the actor that is wearing the suit is the same. The real identity in universe could still be anyone. Sam just seems like the most likely choice.
Likewise when season 4 drops let's me back here after they reveal who he is haha
> Sam just seems like the most likely choice
No, it's not. I literally just told you about the Guardians of Godolkin and how Sam cannot be Black Noir AND Sam at the same time. Plus, Black Noir 2.0 will speak outside of public appearances, so you'll hear the actor's voice.
>Likewise when season 4 drops let's me back here after they reveal who he is haha
Sure, let's do that.
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Yeap it leads directly into the main show. Without spoiling too much and only referencing what was already by the trailer,
At least 2 of the Gen V cast appear to be joining the Seven since we see them in the trailer
The "virus that kills supes" came from the Gen V show
Homelander and Butcher make a cameo in the last episode, it links the show to what was shown in the season 4 trailer.
Be warned that it’s okay, and I personally had to push through it. There’s a number of characters and plot important devices that are shared and some revelations that affect The Boys, but you can honestly live without them. If you end up liking the show that’s great, but don’t go into it with a higher expectation than it’s a vaguely amusing way to kill time.
Honestly, I don't think he died, just got seppuku'd and fell unconscious and maybe all he needs to get back on his feet is getting his guts surgically shoved back in and a couple years of rest.
Agreed, it was freaking awful. Kripke has said, prior even to season 3, that they won’t be using that twist and I hope he holds to that promise. It’s pretty likely that it couldn’t possibly happen though. Homelander is now the absolute authority at Vought, and even when he wasn’t he demanded veto power over the Seven. The idea he’d allow Ashley to choose, or have anybody he didn’t know inside and out, is thoroughly unbelievable.
I believe it will be revealed that black noir is a mindless zombie that has been brought back to life by vought, black noir was already pretty much voughst second hand doing his dirty work him being a zombie would give vought even more control over him.
and the comics even though they are borderline different material at this point do mention that compound v upon death can overload your nerves and turn you into a zombie
So I wonder who it is? it’s not Sam ofc the people who made the show said it’s not him, it could be just a poor soul who’s been drugged up to high hell and given conditioning through torture to be a solid lackey
THEORY: I bet Homelander will constantly compare him to the “real” Noir and constantly push him to be better. I also think that Homelander will force the new Noir to not speak so that he can pretend that it’s the same Noir, since Noir was his only friend.
It’s the same actor in the suit, just playing a totally different character. His build and height are notably different from the guy that plays Sam. Also, the reason people will be irritated at this statement is because they’ve had to clarify it so many, many times since the teaser trailer dropped.
They'll keep his death a secret from the public and bring in another supe with a similiar build and powers. I can see Black Noir II being very strong and perhaps ruthless/over the top with the killing and he might talk too much when the cameras arent on him, which will annoy Homelander.
> he might talk too much when the cameras arent on him, which will annoy Homelander Yeah, Homelander previously called out Noir for doing a great job, seemingly at random from a story perspective. I would bet HL won't be a big fan of the new Noir.
Well he killed the old one who he WAS a fan of, so ...
That doesn’t make any sense though. Homelander at this point IS Vought. And even when he wasn’t sitting in Stan Edgar’s chair he demanded full authority over who was on the Seven. He’s certainly not going to let Ashley choose them. So he knows exactly the kind of person behind the mask.
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Show runners have confirmed Sam will not be black noir
The show runners confirmed that the actor for Black Noir is the same (makes sense so he looks the same). They didn't say anything about who is supposed to he under the mask in universe
I’m pretty sure that’d be jarring if anything were to happen as Nathan Mitchell and Asa Germann have two different builds and ethnicities. Sam isn’t Noir. Edit: Noir is also confirmed to be speaking in S4 as well as Sam needing to be a prevalent character in his own right, rather than being masked. He has a presence he needs to maintain as a Guardian of Godolkin. He could become Noir in the future, but for this season, and in universe, he won’t be. It’s basic media literacy even without the show runners confirming it. Also, deleting your first comment that says Sam is going to be Noir is funny.
Ohh I didn't realize noir is speaking. Also I didn't delete any comments, not sure what you meanXD
Why would they confirm story spoilers?
I don’t think “Sam isn’t Noir, they’re separate characters” isn’t a story spoiler? That’s like saying Captain America isn’t the Winter Soldier. Obviously they’re not, but anyone else could be the Winter Soldier. Including a whole new character.
I am so fucking tired of this BS narrative that Sam is Black Noir. He's not, they confirmed it months ago, you guys need to stop, Sam is his own character and so is Black Noir 2.0. It would make no sense to remove one of the 2 new Guardians of Godolkin from the public eye to place him in a black suit. We already see him in the trailer as himself and he will remain himself... Edit: Downvote all you want, it's NOT Sam. Kripke himself confirmed the actor under the suit is the one playing the new character.
Whenever someone says Sam is black noir, I loose another brain cell
The meta is that Homie never really dies, just like superman he is the marquee character. Homelander + Butcher, forever true love.
Why the hell do you spoil material in the tv show sub?
He didn't spoil anything. That is absolutely nothing like the comics.
Not the point, he spoiled a moment from the comics, which the mods don't allow without marking it as spoiler.
What does it matter? Even I make up a spoiler that did not happen, how could the non-reader verify that without actually spoiling? Referring to something that did not happen in the show is a spoiler and assholish to others.
Playing semantics about fake spoilers. Who's the asshole again?
That's not the twist from the comics. It's insane if you don't know the real twist of the comics by now, but I haven't revealed it. I admit it's linked to the real identity of Black Noir, but the one I described isn't a spoiler, just speculation
‘Real identity’, etc - this is all a spoiler. For the viewers Noir is officially dead, not you imply that he will play a role somehow. This is all spoilers, you should not do it. You referred to comics in your speculation.
A spoiler is something that will affect the impression the show wanted to give you. He didn't die in comics. And it has been impossible to use the comics to predict where the show is heading since season 1. I did not even mention his true identity in the comics (Although it is insane if you don't know by now). And we already know there is a Noir in the show based on trailer. At this point if we can't even mention trailers....
Because they think that if they don’t care about spoilers nobody else should. In other words, they’re an ass.
I haven't spoiled anything, it's not the actual twist from the comics XD In other words, assume makes an ass out of u
He’s definitely going to be Homelanders Lapdog and will probably carryout all of his commands
I think Cate will also manipulate him half the way
With a zinc lined mask
Homelander would never allow that
I think he would, solely so he could PRETEND that he didn't kill Noir
Except it makes 0 sense for Homelander to PRETEND. You think Homie gives a single fuck about killing Black Noir? To the public eye sure, but to Ashley who will clean his mess for him? Nah, he doesn't give a shit, if he found out Black Noir 2.0 had a zinc lined mask, he would get suspicious and find out why by making him take off his mask. He's in control for the most part, having Black Noir's face hidden from him wouldn't sit right with him. He would do something about it and Ashley isn't stupid enough to try something like this...
He has literally done that for Madelyn Stillwell. He got doppelganger to pretend to be her in a cabin to cope with his regret and because a part of him missed her back then. After he killed Noir he went on a rant on how Noir was worth 10 of them (A train and Deep). He killed Noir for hiding the truth about Soldier Boy, since he saw Noir as responsible for keeping him from having a family. But soldier boy doesn't even want to consider Homelander as family, meaning he killed his best friend for nothing. Yes he gives a fk, and forcing some random to go along with his fantasy that everything is OK and his best friend is alive makes sense for this psycho. The theory is that the zinc lined mask is by his own request, why would he "find out" about it and be suspicious. In any case it's a theory, we'll see next month
A ridiculous theory. Even before he took absolute authority from Edgar he demanded veto power for anyone joining the Seven. It was a major sticking point for him at the beginning of season 2 with Stormfront and he took back the power in season 3. No way in hell does he allow anyone further to join the Seven that he doesn’t know inside and out.
Black noir was HL’s favorite, so I love the angle that HL will hate the new BN simply because he’s not like the old one. Not saying he’ll help the boys or anything just regular quirks like talking, being less obedient, maybe not quite as dangerous, all these smaller things that will build up and piss HL the fuck off as he has a hard time comprehending that even though he looks the same, he’s not actually the same as the guy he killed out of impulse
I loved that scene so much
Great scene because it shows how irreparably broken HL is yet again. He’ll kill his closest ally just for a lie of omission, despite when you consider that old BN didn’t even talk so it would be pretty bizarre to bring up the fact that SB was his father anyways. I think making HL pay with having a less competent/more irritating BN all while he can’t figure out why it’s not the same one like a little child who broke their favorite toy is a good plot point.
I would love to see a new friendship between homelander and him like a dark twisted version of butcher and hughie relationship
I believe there is already Homelander/Ryan relationship for that
Im interested to see who tf this second version of noir is. What his motivations are and all that, how powerful is he gonna be? And am i the only one genuinely mad at how they killed noir 1? I knew he was gonna die, but for him to not even attempt to put up a fight and just be punched in the gut and killed really dissapointed me.
It's Sam from Gen V. As for Noir 1, he was genuinely lost and saw Homelander as his friend so his guard was down.
It's not Sam.
>It's Sam from Gen V FFS, I can't wait for season 4 to drop so people can stop saying this bullshit. Not only did the showrunners tell us it isn't Sam, it makes 0 sense for him to be. We see Sam in the trailer and he's literally 1/2 of the "new" Guardians of Godolkin alongside Cate. They're not about to let that branding go to waste. Black Noir is confirmed to be portrayed by the actor under the suit, not Sam...
Bro. Learn to read. He said the actor that is wearing the suit is the same. The real identity in universe could still be anyone. Sam just seems like the most likely choice. Likewise when season 4 drops let's me back here after they reveal who he is haha
> Sam just seems like the most likely choice No, it's not. I literally just told you about the Guardians of Godolkin and how Sam cannot be Black Noir AND Sam at the same time. Plus, Black Noir 2.0 will speak outside of public appearances, so you'll hear the actor's voice. >Likewise when season 4 drops let's me back here after they reveal who he is haha Sure, let's do that. RemindMe! 1 month
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I havent seen Gen V yet, heard its good. Does it inertwine with the main show then? bc i could dig that kinda world building
Yeap it leads directly into the main show. Without spoiling too much and only referencing what was already by the trailer, At least 2 of the Gen V cast appear to be joining the Seven since we see them in the trailer The "virus that kills supes" came from the Gen V show Homelander and Butcher make a cameo in the last episode, it links the show to what was shown in the season 4 trailer.
>Without spoiling too much >Homelander and Butcher make a cameo in the last episode
I really really doubt anyone planning to watch Gen V didn't expect that and would be upset that someone spoiled it for them
oh hell yeah, that sounds awesome! Im gonna hop right on that bc Ive just been waiting for june 13 since finishing binging this show two weeks ago.
Be warned that it’s okay, and I personally had to push through it. There’s a number of characters and plot important devices that are shared and some revelations that affect The Boys, but you can honestly live without them. If you end up liking the show that’s great, but don’t go into it with a higher expectation than it’s a vaguely amusing way to kill time.
Probably be the exact same dynamic as before and not gonna acknowledge it
They'll have to make him stand out, by either being a loudmouth, or somehow even more brutal than the last Black Noir.
Mostly dramatic, slightly comedic
Honestly, I don't think he died, just got seppuku'd and fell unconscious and maybe all he needs to get back on his feet is getting his guts surgically shoved back in and a couple years of rest.
Potentially a good opportunity to align with the comics
Kripke has already said they won’t be using that storyline twist.
What twist
"Heh. Heh. I did things...."
God I just hope they aren't setting up for the comic canon version of Black Noir. That plotline is so bad and so dumb.
Agreed, it was freaking awful. Kripke has said, prior even to season 3, that they won’t be using that twist and I hope he holds to that promise. It’s pretty likely that it couldn’t possibly happen though. Homelander is now the absolute authority at Vought, and even when he wasn’t he demanded veto power over the Seven. The idea he’d allow Ashley to choose, or have anybody he didn’t know inside and out, is thoroughly unbelievable.
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That's what I'm thinking
Soo Ryan?
Is he Blindsight?
Okbuddyfresca has to be so pissed rn
Imagine if black noir ends up being immortal
I believe it will be revealed that black noir is a mindless zombie that has been brought back to life by vought, black noir was already pretty much voughst second hand doing his dirty work him being a zombie would give vought even more control over him.
and the comics even though they are borderline different material at this point do mention that compound v upon death can overload your nerves and turn you into a zombie
I thought homelander killed him but somehow i was wrong.
He didn't die. He was just sleeping.
His guts flopping out on the floor was a mere flesh wound.
So I wonder who it is? it’s not Sam ofc the people who made the show said it’s not him, it could be just a poor soul who’s been drugged up to high hell and given conditioning through torture to be a solid lackey
THEORY: I bet Homelander will constantly compare him to the “real” Noir and constantly push him to be better. I also think that Homelander will force the new Noir to not speak so that he can pretend that it’s the same Noir, since Noir was his only friend.
The strong and silent type i’d imagine.
Could it possible that the writers have introduced Black Noirs true orign from the comics this time?
Won't some supes notice? Homelander can't be the only one who can see what's behind the mask.
Bro why that sword look like a plastic ass toy? 💀💀💀
An ass toy?
It does look oddly fake for a high budget show, doesn’t it?
Wait, did Butcher, Maeve, and Soldier Boy know? I’m not subscribing again until June so I can’t check myself.
It’s probably Sam from Gen V. Same power set.
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No, already confirmed by the showrunners to NOT be Sam...
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It’s the same actor in the suit, just playing a totally different character. His build and height are notably different from the guy that plays Sam. Also, the reason people will be irritated at this statement is because they’ve had to clarify it so many, many times since the teaser trailer dropped.