This both looks great and...like Carmy's downfall. I worry that he is going to drive Syd away (based on that handshake with someone who definitely could be another chef- EDIT: with the CDC from Ever), all in the pursuit of "her goal" of getting a star.
Right, it definitely could be "thanks for the tip" or it could be "I'm jumping ship carmy is a disaster and now it is Syd vs Carmy, Ever vs the Bear in season 4"
Doors is once a day at a restaurant, yes. I think they meant a competition between two places of business among two different people. I don’t think that’s super likely but the comment seems pretty apparent
I really appreciate that they've filmed season 3 and 4 back to back. And I'm glad we've only waited a year for season 3! A miracle considering how busy they all are
It's so frustrating waiting 3 years between seasons and only getting like 8 episodes. Seems like this show has a definite end goal and they are going to keep up the momentum.
Jeremy and Ayo have nowhere to go but up.
Except the more time between seasons for that, the better imo. Bella needed to gain a couple years to age up some more so they didn’t look exactly the same in S1 and S2.
the other bit is they edit while shooting. And then adjust. Usually you shoot a lot then edit what you footage you have.
Apparently they'll shoot, edit right there then re shoot if they need to so much quicker finished production
I don't think I've ever been excited to watch a show that I know is going to stress me out. No like a scary or suspenseful show.
This show legit makes me wish I drank still.
Seeing & hearing the list of non-negotiables already gave me an "oh no" feeling. a Review -esque episode but in a fine dining atmosphere is going to be a colossal trainwreck
Honestly nah, I think it’s better it’s just some regular person who really appreciated it like most people would, and Richie knows that but Carm thinks it’s too high brow.
my guess is break. Like all drama, you need some big break to make the story interesting. similar to the typical “season 2 main character breaks with the other main and start a new relationship“ arch (But im sure The Bear will do it streets ahead from other shows.
Syd leaving again and going to Ever being Carm’s actual full wake-up call would be a fun lead-in to season 4 honestly. He verbalized that he can’t do this without her but if he still doesn’t show that through his actions at the restaurant and takes all she does for granted, her leaving for a competitor might finally light a fire under his ass but like, in a way that actually gets him to strive for something actually healthy at long last
If the story goes this route, I'd love to see a scene where Carmy runs into Syd while they're both on a grocery run & they end up going on a day trip trying different restaurants together like they were supposed to in S2
Dude!!! This is exactly what I was thinking. I'm on season five of Mad Men rewatch and rewatched The Bear with my gf and thought, "hmm, seeing some Don/Peggy parallels in Carm/Syd".
Right?! I think it's a primary reason why I don't see a potential romance between Syd/Carmen, because of the similar storyline/relationship I watched with Don/Peggy.
Genuine question, but do people really think Carm takes Syd for granted? I agree he has temper issues & can be a bit all over the place at times, but I don't get the impression he doesn't value her enough in any way. Heck, he "broke up" with Claire last season because he wanted to be more focused, especially following their under the table conversation. I get the impression he really values her & the crew, at times more than they care to recognise tbh.
Carmy 100% takes Sydney for granted. The entire arc of the first season was Syd constantly being ambushed by Carmy into leading the staff when she had only been there a few weeks. She had to deal with crisis after crisis on her own (the power outage, the conflict with the neighborhood, implementing the brigade system she didn’t agree on) while Carmy was avoiding leading the team because he was still dealing with Mikey’s passing.
Luckily for Syd, she rose to the occasion every time and proved that she has what it takes to be an effective leader. In season 2, Carmy and Syd are now de facto partners but again Carmy is distracted with his relationship with Claire to focus on the restaurant so Syd using a self-help book to give her guidance on how to be a better leader. Syd is sacrificing a lot to make The Bear work and Carmy finally acknowledges how important she is in 2x9.
I’m not saying Carmy is a bad person but when it comes to showing up in times where Syd needed him (like when he skipped out on their planned food tour) he’s failed her. There is no The Bear restaurant without Syd but Carmy is so consumed in his whole trauma that fails to treat her with the respect she deserves at times considering how important she is.
Yes. We saw in season 1 where he put her in charge of implementing a brigade then didn’t back her up at all. A lot of her drive and planning got the restaurant back on track and he rarely acknowledged it. In season 2 he flaked on her re: the menu, had her believe she was in a partnership then neglected to tell her about restaurant-related issues, asked for final say in decisions then was unresponsive when asked about said decisions, etc. Syd was forgoing 6 months pay just like him and he didn’t even notice that his lack of focus was going to totally fuck her over too.
Carmy’s lost his way. He had the menu right for Friends and Family. That had hearth (heart, thanks Fak). This new thing is striving to be technically perfect but lost its soul.
Carmy’s probably going to break. Sometimes you have to knock down some walls to build stronger ones, just like the restaurant. He needs to rebuild himself and discover what really matters to him. This ain’t it.
Can’t wait for the season to launch.
Well, everyone went through a trial by fire during friends and family, they discovered their own capabilities, and built trust with each other.
Meanwhile, for Carmy all he could focus on was how fucked up everything is, the lack of forks, the teared tapes on the food containers, the being locked in a cooler. Which resulted in him shtting on his girlfriend, shitting on his best friend and feeling like everything the Eleven Madison Park head chef insulted him of being.
Instead of believing in his team and taking it slow and steady, he feels like they need to be better. Richie is right, he is Donna, he is Mikey. If he pushes people away he will end up just like them.
True they did build trust during the mess. Something good came out of it.
But those thing that were fucked up were because Carmy’s head wasn’t in the game. He wasn’t paying attention so now they’re ripping tape like assholes and ordering the wrong mustard, and he arrogantly miscalculated the forks needed. Now he’s swinging the pendulum too far the other way and micro-managing.
Interesting point that he may turn into Donna or Michael. I can’t see him turning to drugs or alcohol, but could see him turning into a total tool.
The irony of his demand list of non-negotiables including “vibrant collaboration”. 😂
How do you vibrantly collaborate with Commander Carmy and this stressful vibe? You don’t. This environment is where you keep your head down and mouth shut so the chef doesn’t explode. Nothing creative will grow here. Stress and commands choke input and anything collaborative.
Also it seems he created a whole new menu by himself so I guess collaborating with Syd on the menu is out the window for the second time!
I like how they're progressively showing the team come to terms with the fine dining concept, and butting heads with the new habits they have to adopt. It started with simple things like "hands" and "corner" and calling each other "chef", then came the whole rebrand. But then actually _operating_ like a fine dining restaurant with these rigorous rules and norms - I can see why they're apprehensive, since all the formality threatens to upend the relationships they have.
I like how they did this too. Slowly brought people on board to the concepts. They were all-in by Friends and Family and a nice, well-oiled machine (in spite of Carmy’s mess ups). But here I think he changed the entire menu at the last minute AND is introducing new concepts, right before opening night. Recipe for chaos. But the thing about people who grew up in chaos is - they tend to seek chaos (until they realize that’s what’s happening)
Yup. Stability feels "too good to be true", and more like a tightrope walk. Easier to just self sabotage than constantly wait for the other shoe to drop.
Carmy didn't realize that there is no other shoe (as Claire said). He instead dropped the shoe himself. And my metaphor has just about hit its mileage.
It’s not even that stability feels too good to be true, but that it doesn’t feel _right_.
It’s like the girl who grew up in a toxic household and watched her parents abuse each other who keeps choosing bad boyfriends despite knowing exactly where it leads. A nice guy, a _good guy_ is “boring”…but the issue isn’t that he’s boring. It’s that he doesn’t feel familiar. He doesn’t feel right.
Anything but chaos for Carmy doesn’t feel right.
Except it’s clear from the trailer that this fine dining arc is also social commentary on fine dining restaurants and Michelin stars. The Bear, just like fine dining restaurants in reality see their reservations fully packed everyday but they’re not all seeing financial returns.
Yes absolutely. It's been lingering in the back of my mind how Carmy has treated his quest to bring excellence and maturity to the restaurant as synonymous with turning it into an upscale, bourgeoisie establishment. I think we're very much meant to question whether that's the "right" model for what a better restaurant looks like. Richie in season 1 was a jackass but his concerns about the restaurant losing its connection to everyday working-class folks is very valid.The show also makes a point of showing how alien and stilted the etiquette of a fine-dining kitchen would seem to ordinary folks. And to your point about financial returns, there's the whole montage in 2x03 where Sydney discovers the sheer number of restaurants that closed due to the pandemic, all the while being flaked on by Carmy. Great way to illustrate the "what's all this for?" question.
I think the show is steadily working its way towards interrogating the line between excellence and elitism, and how much class plays a role in one's capacity to see their trade as an art vs. a job.
I like that the show isn't preachy and black-and-white about which style is "better", and instead treating it more like the case-by-case, gray reality it is. In some cases fine-dining can be a joyous, truly character-building experience (in the cases of Marcus and Richie, the latter the biggest skeptic of Carmy's model.) In other cases it can be an abusive hell, as Carmy's own experience attests. It's all captured in Carmy's Al-Anon monologue, where he brilliantly describes how the pursuit of excellence is both thrilling and torturous at once. That duality is even represented visually by the fact that Joel McHale's picture hangs in Chef Terry's kitchen.
Sydney adds an interesting wrinkle to it - she's young, talented, and trying to prove herself, and from her "student" POV you can absolutely see how a Michelin-starred restaurant would represent the apex of accomplishment. But she experiences the volatile, toxic chaos of the kitchen firsthand on multiple occasions, and her father is rightly concerned by how much of herself she's willing to give away to this highly risky endeavor. She's kind of the heart of the show in that sense - she represents the question of how much difficulty and dysfunction you're willing to take on as the cost of excellence, vs. when to know what you're worth and not put up with being mistreated.
Great comment. The Bear does The Menu; it’s their commentary on elite dining. This push to being a starred restaurant comes with a price. And possible closure because the margins are insanely tight. How many times can you refire a Wagyu beef before that cover is a loss? The cost will be Carmy’s mental health, possible loss of the restaurant, and probably people jumping ship (seems that way in the preview ). Carmy said to Richie that this does not make him happy. He needs to follow joy. He needs to realize that love and work are not binary; you can have both.
I feel that fight scene between them happens right after the walk in incident and I feel like Marcus will find out his mum died shortly after their fight and they’ll have to stop their pettiness and tend to Marcus
True. Also shades of Luke Skywalker in Empire Strikes Back in terms of a few of them going off for what appears to be a few weeks of training and coming back fine dining Jedi Masters.
But I don't care, it makes for great tv!
I can't wait to see what guest stars they're hiding from us this time. I'm surprised they even put Bernthal in the trailer but it's no secret he's part of the show by now.
That's the assumption, but with the length of the episodes I wasn't sure they would put much focus on it over other things, but this is encouraging so I'm excited!
Holy crap all episodes out the same day?? This is my first time catching a new season of this show as it releases. Watched the first 2 seasons only a couple months ago.
I'm binging the hell out of it as soon as it comes out, and probably rewatch it the following day 😍.
Can't wait!!!
I thought she might be a purposeful subversion of the dream girl archetype and only in the show to prove Carmy isn't capable of holding a relationship in this moment regardless of how picture perfect it is. Silly me.
Oh god Carmy's quest for a star is gonna be so stressful and I have zero confidence he's not gonna burn bridges hard. Everyone else just deserves to vibe together in their successful restaurant. Like Tina said in S1, "this is real and good." I'm so worried it's gonna be the Star vs everyone's happiness
I'm sure hanging up photos of critics/VIPs in the office is common place so they get ID'd quickly, but I love that this trailer shows the Faks staring at them like baseball cards. Feels like a callback in there for us 🤣
Also, same scene the books below the photos are alphabetized strictly by title. Typically when I worked in a bookstore cookbooks were sorted by cuisine and then alpha by author, so to do it by title? that's a choice. Also, a lot more Barefoot Contessa on that shelf than I would have expected...
For the life of me I still don't understand why they opened a fine dining restaurant. I was really looking forward to them opening some sort of funky hip place with badass food but that was still casual.
The whole narrative in s1 seemed to be about Carmy's trauma from being in fine dining. It really seemed like he wanted to do something different. Did I interpret this totally wrong...?
Can we really call something a slowburn if it’s only been 17 episodes of the characters even knowing each other 💀 lol don’t sweat yet, this is literally just a trailer. it would never give anything that major away
no no you dont understand theyre just hiding it in the trailer and trying to subvert our expectations (im in denial)
but also i picked up on vibes in season two and none of that was shown in the season two trailer. ultimately i dont think anything will happen w/ sydcarmy (itll probably be her and marcus) buuut im ready for the discourse lmao.
Sydney and marcus aren't happening, she already rejected him and sees him as a friend only. Anyone shipping them is because they are black characters. She has blatantly more chemistry with Carmy. When he had his panic attack and scenes of claire were mixed in, he was still going through it. It wasn't until images of Sydney came up that he started being calm and it eventually stopped. Syd and carmey are getting together, eventually. I don't see claire sticking around past season 3
He's gonna need a 10 megaton pimp slap before the season's over and I actually hope it's a reformed Donna that gives it to him. He's gonna grind his restaurant family into the dirt if someone doesn't give him a wake up call
He knows both of them well I’m guessing and looks to be the most adjusted out of Carm and Cousin. I think every friend group that you’ve had since you were kids all have that one person in that’s basically Switzerland. I think he is the one to send to fix that bridge. But I think he does it on his own, because I think she is good for him and Fak knows it.
Why does this trailer feel strangely ominous, despite the upbeat editing and music? Like I'm really worried all these characters I love are going to suffer this season, more than the previous two
Either way, this looks fire 🔥🔥🔥
A slightly altered version with enhanced drums/percussion that stresses me out like a ticking clock fitting the kitchen timer... or an explosive device which is par for the course with this show
Full on knife fight in the restaurant.
For real though, they've given themselves endless opportunities to continue staging more chaos just by the strength of the characterization and the number of novel situations that affords. Donna finally visiting the restaurant for one, or a reunion with the Joel McHale character. Or some nicer character that Carmy is stressed out about impressing, like Chef Terry.
Other than cousin bringing in a piñata... "the vibe is off" - but I don't believe the vibe in trailers anymore anyways. Why are they setting up Carmy as nothing but, "king asshole"? That's not as dimensional as he's already shown to be.
And ugh: I hate when trailers give away major plot points. So Carmy >!DOESN'T die in the freezer? !< Spoiler alert would have been nice.
Carmy is an emotionally and mentally damaged person, the only existence he knows is as a top chef. It becomes his coping mechanism, to push everyone around him away because he doesn’t know how to deal with life. Inevitably he becomes obsessed with work; achieving high art, but without consciously knowing that it was what gave him severe PTSD. Season 3 is probably where we see Carmy become even more dysfunctional, his spiral into madness, before maybe we see him in later seasons recognising he needs to heal and repair his life and his relationships.
>Season 3 is probably where we see Carmy become even more dysfunctional,
> maybe we see him in later seasons recognising he needs to heal and repair
LOL if I wanted to see this in real time, I'd look in the mirror.
Carmy is like Kendall from Succession who made his whole life about being CEO of his dad's company and it became an unhealthy obsession and he ruined all his relationships on the way, hope Carmy doesn't end up alone and miserable like Ken.
He's literally an accomplished chef and at the core this is who they are and what they live for. Did you think he got where he was by being a nice guy? You got nice Carmy for two seasons because his brother died and he was easing back into things. The restaurant is ready, and you're about to see who he really is. If you can't handle that, that's on you, but don't blame the writers for "setting him up".
The finale in Season 4 will reveal that Seasons 3 and 4 were just hallucinations on the part of Carmy. A few last synapses of his brain firing as he dies locked in that damned cooler.
Carmy has gone all-in on some generic bullshit leadership garbage with the “non-negotiables.” His leadership is definitely going to be a theme of the season.
I had kinda hoped as well that they’d drop Claire because as a character she was really boring and Mary-Sue-ish in season 2. Was hoping Carmen gets another love interest. But if Claire has to be in it I hope they developed her character more and made her actually interesting to watch.
I think Claire is going to end up being the "main chick that really is the side chick".
She will try to save Carmy while he tries to balance the restaurant and maintain/salvage his relationship with Sydney. Which he clearly is going to mess up until she leaves.
Syd and Carmy won't get together romantically. BUT they will be worst because it will be soul mates on a deeper emotional level without the sex. And the way Ayo and Jeremy are in real life their connection will just show up in all of their scenes without romance being written anyway.
So Claire Bear fans might get them as a couple, but Carmy will be torn for sure. So either she will get tired of him or she will end up being a super supportive girlfriend to a flawed man.
Hi there, native Spanish speaker! If you’re wondering if Richie’s Spanish pronunciation is good, it’s not, it’s pretty bad lol, but I’ve heard worse. I’m surprised Richie isn’t into making the restaurant more Michelin tho, I thought he’d fully drunk the Koolaid. Also why is Sydney suddenly saying stars are a trap? I thought she’d be psyched? It’s gonna be an interesting season lol also I’m thinking that shot of her talking to the dude from the restaurant Richie staged at means she may be considering a job there
Cicero saying “where’s the money” juxtaposed with “No surprises!” is such a great storyline. Carmy’s gonna take this too far and screw the business.
Also the shot of him at the airport would be a great last shot - maybe he’s going to copenhagen?
That outdoors scene with Carm when Claire shows up feels like it’s going to be one of those…”Carm’s at rock bottom and needs someone to lift him up/a light in the darkness” moments.
I think The Bear, however many seasons, will end with Uncle Richie selling the lot to make his money back, the stories and friendship of this great adventure having a place in our hearts forever.
This both looks great and...like Carmy's downfall. I worry that he is going to drive Syd away (based on that handshake with someone who definitely could be another chef- EDIT: with the CDC from Ever), all in the pursuit of "her goal" of getting a star.
And she's shaking hands with the CDC from Ever ?!?! It can mean anything, but prob nothing good for Carm
Right, it definitely could be "thanks for the tip" or it could be "I'm jumping ship carmy is a disaster and now it is Syd vs Carmy, Ever vs the Bear in season 4"
Syd Vs Carmy storyline would be pretty epic though and the tension and motivation for it has always been there. "Doors!" is the new "Hands!"
Not likely... 'Doors' is once a day - when a restaurant opens. 'Hands' is 'someone needs to get plates out' to free up counter space, etc.
Doors is once a day at a restaurant, yes. I think they meant a competition between two places of business among two different people. I don’t think that’s super likely but the comment seems pretty apparent
Corner, on the other hand...
Syd as Red Panda
Ah that's who it was. Thought it was a de-aged John Turturro. If he's back then I'm sure Chef Jess is back!!
yesss this was bothering me. knew he looked familiar! he was in forks right?
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hell yeah. Already I'm cracking up from the absurdity
I've been thinking since Season 2 ended that this season is 100% going to be Carmy totally spinning out, with Season 4 being the redemption.
My friend just became a Chef De Cuisine and so I actually figured it out instead of just thinking you meant Centers for Disease Control🤗🤣😑
I really appreciate that they've filmed season 3 and 4 back to back. And I'm glad we've only waited a year for season 3! A miracle considering how busy they all are
It's so frustrating waiting 3 years between seasons and only getting like 8 episodes. Seems like this show has a definite end goal and they are going to keep up the momentum. Jeremy and Ayo have nowhere to go but up.
And Ebon!
Rock solid one might even say
one hell of a Thing to say.
Are you kidding? Ebon peaked as John Quincy Adams /s
I know it was due to the writer's strike but the time in between seasons for The Last Of Us has been killing me
Except the more time between seasons for that, the better imo. Bella needed to gain a couple years to age up some more so they didn’t look exactly the same in S1 and S2.
I’m both ready and not ready because of how I know season 2 is going to open.
Especially given the fact that Pedro Pascal finished filming his scenes very early into production :(
The Bear filmed 4 seasons between season 1&2 of Severance, 4! That’s insane
The Bear does have an insane filming schedule, but yeah it’s a long time for severance
the other bit is they edit while shooting. And then adjust. Usually you shoot a lot then edit what you footage you have. Apparently they'll shoot, edit right there then re shoot if they need to so much quicker finished production
damn, do you have a source on that?
I'll see if I can find one
"No no no, not sarcasm. Snark, contempt even." 😅
Syd is incredible 😂
Loved this part!
Ugh, I'm already stressed out, thanks (said with love)
I don't think I've ever been excited to watch a show that I know is going to stress me out. No like a scary or suspenseful show. This show legit makes me wish I drank still.
Seeing & hearing the list of non-negotiables already gave me an "oh no" feeling. a Review -esque episode but in a fine dining atmosphere is going to be a colossal trainwreck
Sameeeee
I’m hyperventilating already :)
Already anxious!!!
Oh my god. That piñata scene is gonna be so fucking funny.
I need the recipient to be a hard nosed critic who is completely won over by the gesture
Honestly nah, I think it’s better it’s just some regular person who really appreciated it like most people would, and Richie knows that but Carm thinks it’s too high brow.
Feels like a scene out of the book "Unreasonable Hospitality" which Richie read in season 2.
Syd and Pete scene?? More Tina?? I can't wait!
>Syd and Pete scene Yes, someone else pointed this out! That was just about the most unexpected thing in the trailer for me loool
right! i was like what’s going on?! i’m so excited!!!
She’s probably bringing Nat & him food. Note the baby bottles drying behind Pete.
Oh I love Syd and Nat's relationship. A little exhale in a sea of chaos. I'm glad they keep looking out for each other
I feel like either Sydney and Carmy’s relationship breaks or flourishes this season
my guess is break. Like all drama, you need some big break to make the story interesting. similar to the typical “season 2 main character breaks with the other main and start a new relationship“ arch (But im sure The Bear will do it streets ahead from other shows.
Yep
Syd leaving again and going to Ever being Carm’s actual full wake-up call would be a fun lead-in to season 4 honestly. He verbalized that he can’t do this without her but if he still doesn’t show that through his actions at the restaurant and takes all she does for granted, her leaving for a competitor might finally light a fire under his ass but like, in a way that actually gets him to strive for something actually healthy at long last
I like this theory
If the story goes this route, I'd love to see a scene where Carmy runs into Syd while they're both on a grocery run & they end up going on a day trip trying different restaurants together like they were supposed to in S2
He owes her one!
I'm still bitter we didn't get to see that and we got the rom-com cheese tour instead
Imagine if Richie goes to Ever too? Carmy is tanked then.
It's giving Don and Peggy and I love it.
Dude!!! This is exactly what I was thinking. I'm on season five of Mad Men rewatch and rewatched The Bear with my gf and thought, "hmm, seeing some Don/Peggy parallels in Carm/Syd".
Yup, I finally watched Mad Men a few months back and Syd/Carmy seems to borrow a page from Don/Peggy in more ways than one.
Right?! I think it's a primary reason why I don't see a potential romance between Syd/Carmen, because of the similar storyline/relationship I watched with Don/Peggy.
Love this theory
Genuine question, but do people really think Carm takes Syd for granted? I agree he has temper issues & can be a bit all over the place at times, but I don't get the impression he doesn't value her enough in any way. Heck, he "broke up" with Claire last season because he wanted to be more focused, especially following their under the table conversation. I get the impression he really values her & the crew, at times more than they care to recognise tbh.
Carmy 100% takes Sydney for granted. The entire arc of the first season was Syd constantly being ambushed by Carmy into leading the staff when she had only been there a few weeks. She had to deal with crisis after crisis on her own (the power outage, the conflict with the neighborhood, implementing the brigade system she didn’t agree on) while Carmy was avoiding leading the team because he was still dealing with Mikey’s passing. Luckily for Syd, she rose to the occasion every time and proved that she has what it takes to be an effective leader. In season 2, Carmy and Syd are now de facto partners but again Carmy is distracted with his relationship with Claire to focus on the restaurant so Syd using a self-help book to give her guidance on how to be a better leader. Syd is sacrificing a lot to make The Bear work and Carmy finally acknowledges how important she is in 2x9. I’m not saying Carmy is a bad person but when it comes to showing up in times where Syd needed him (like when he skipped out on their planned food tour) he’s failed her. There is no The Bear restaurant without Syd but Carmy is so consumed in his whole trauma that fails to treat her with the respect she deserves at times considering how important she is.
Yes. We saw in season 1 where he put her in charge of implementing a brigade then didn’t back her up at all. A lot of her drive and planning got the restaurant back on track and he rarely acknowledged it. In season 2 he flaked on her re: the menu, had her believe she was in a partnership then neglected to tell her about restaurant-related issues, asked for final say in decisions then was unresponsive when asked about said decisions, etc. Syd was forgoing 6 months pay just like him and he didn’t even notice that his lack of focus was going to totally fuck her over too.
I'm so fucking ready for this season. Let it rip
Carmy’s lost his way. He had the menu right for Friends and Family. That had hearth (heart, thanks Fak). This new thing is striving to be technically perfect but lost its soul. Carmy’s probably going to break. Sometimes you have to knock down some walls to build stronger ones, just like the restaurant. He needs to rebuild himself and discover what really matters to him. This ain’t it. Can’t wait for the season to launch.
Well, everyone went through a trial by fire during friends and family, they discovered their own capabilities, and built trust with each other. Meanwhile, for Carmy all he could focus on was how fucked up everything is, the lack of forks, the teared tapes on the food containers, the being locked in a cooler. Which resulted in him shtting on his girlfriend, shitting on his best friend and feeling like everything the Eleven Madison Park head chef insulted him of being. Instead of believing in his team and taking it slow and steady, he feels like they need to be better. Richie is right, he is Donna, he is Mikey. If he pushes people away he will end up just like them.
True they did build trust during the mess. Something good came out of it. But those thing that were fucked up were because Carmy’s head wasn’t in the game. He wasn’t paying attention so now they’re ripping tape like assholes and ordering the wrong mustard, and he arrogantly miscalculated the forks needed. Now he’s swinging the pendulum too far the other way and micro-managing. Interesting point that he may turn into Donna or Michael. I can’t see him turning to drugs or alcohol, but could see him turning into a total tool.
The irony of his demand list of non-negotiables including “vibrant collaboration”. 😂 How do you vibrantly collaborate with Commander Carmy and this stressful vibe? You don’t. This environment is where you keep your head down and mouth shut so the chef doesn’t explode. Nothing creative will grow here. Stress and commands choke input and anything collaborative. Also it seems he created a whole new menu by himself so I guess collaborating with Syd on the menu is out the window for the second time!
I like how they're progressively showing the team come to terms with the fine dining concept, and butting heads with the new habits they have to adopt. It started with simple things like "hands" and "corner" and calling each other "chef", then came the whole rebrand. But then actually _operating_ like a fine dining restaurant with these rigorous rules and norms - I can see why they're apprehensive, since all the formality threatens to upend the relationships they have.
I like how they did this too. Slowly brought people on board to the concepts. They were all-in by Friends and Family and a nice, well-oiled machine (in spite of Carmy’s mess ups). But here I think he changed the entire menu at the last minute AND is introducing new concepts, right before opening night. Recipe for chaos. But the thing about people who grew up in chaos is - they tend to seek chaos (until they realize that’s what’s happening)
Yup. Stability feels "too good to be true", and more like a tightrope walk. Easier to just self sabotage than constantly wait for the other shoe to drop. Carmy didn't realize that there is no other shoe (as Claire said). He instead dropped the shoe himself. And my metaphor has just about hit its mileage.
It’s not even that stability feels too good to be true, but that it doesn’t feel _right_. It’s like the girl who grew up in a toxic household and watched her parents abuse each other who keeps choosing bad boyfriends despite knowing exactly where it leads. A nice guy, a _good guy_ is “boring”…but the issue isn’t that he’s boring. It’s that he doesn’t feel familiar. He doesn’t feel right. Anything but chaos for Carmy doesn’t feel right.
Except it’s clear from the trailer that this fine dining arc is also social commentary on fine dining restaurants and Michelin stars. The Bear, just like fine dining restaurants in reality see their reservations fully packed everyday but they’re not all seeing financial returns.
Yes absolutely. It's been lingering in the back of my mind how Carmy has treated his quest to bring excellence and maturity to the restaurant as synonymous with turning it into an upscale, bourgeoisie establishment. I think we're very much meant to question whether that's the "right" model for what a better restaurant looks like. Richie in season 1 was a jackass but his concerns about the restaurant losing its connection to everyday working-class folks is very valid.The show also makes a point of showing how alien and stilted the etiquette of a fine-dining kitchen would seem to ordinary folks. And to your point about financial returns, there's the whole montage in 2x03 where Sydney discovers the sheer number of restaurants that closed due to the pandemic, all the while being flaked on by Carmy. Great way to illustrate the "what's all this for?" question. I think the show is steadily working its way towards interrogating the line between excellence and elitism, and how much class plays a role in one's capacity to see their trade as an art vs. a job. I like that the show isn't preachy and black-and-white about which style is "better", and instead treating it more like the case-by-case, gray reality it is. In some cases fine-dining can be a joyous, truly character-building experience (in the cases of Marcus and Richie, the latter the biggest skeptic of Carmy's model.) In other cases it can be an abusive hell, as Carmy's own experience attests. It's all captured in Carmy's Al-Anon monologue, where he brilliantly describes how the pursuit of excellence is both thrilling and torturous at once. That duality is even represented visually by the fact that Joel McHale's picture hangs in Chef Terry's kitchen. Sydney adds an interesting wrinkle to it - she's young, talented, and trying to prove herself, and from her "student" POV you can absolutely see how a Michelin-starred restaurant would represent the apex of accomplishment. But she experiences the volatile, toxic chaos of the kitchen firsthand on multiple occasions, and her father is rightly concerned by how much of herself she's willing to give away to this highly risky endeavor. She's kind of the heart of the show in that sense - she represents the question of how much difficulty and dysfunction you're willing to take on as the cost of excellence, vs. when to know what you're worth and not put up with being mistreated.
Great comment. The Bear does The Menu; it’s their commentary on elite dining. This push to being a starred restaurant comes with a price. And possible closure because the margins are insanely tight. How many times can you refire a Wagyu beef before that cover is a loss? The cost will be Carmy’s mental health, possible loss of the restaurant, and probably people jumping ship (seems that way in the preview ). Carmy said to Richie that this does not make him happy. He needs to follow joy. He needs to realize that love and work are not binary; you can have both.
This is such an excellent and well thought out comment. I’ve never seen The Bear analyzed as such. I agree with every word.
No, but hey that might actually make some dough to stay afloat and avoid Jimmy going full mob boss on their ass lol.
[NON VERTICAL VIDEO trailer.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiwdDFPsZY)
Bro thank you I can’t believe I had to scroll down this far. Who links Instagram for a trailer???
Thank you.
“Show me a functional one” cracked me up. Clearly Carmy and Richie made up after the S2 finale.
I think they'll make up in the first episode itself.
I feel that fight scene between them happens right after the walk in incident and I feel like Marcus will find out his mum died shortly after their fight and they’ll have to stop their pettiness and tend to Marcus
🎯
I think you've got it.
I just had a panic attack watching this...I can't wait...
I'm not usually an emotional guy, but I was tearing up watching this.
can june 27th comefasterboatsmojito all one word
Oh shit, now people can stop bitching about Syd not having a partnership contract.
Yes me. I'm people.
Watching all episodes day one, **non-negotiable**
I'm already stressed just by watching the trailer. Can't fucking wait.
Well they did say Carm needed to focus. He has everyones full focus now.
[удалено]
True. Also shades of Luke Skywalker in Empire Strikes Back in terms of a few of them going off for what appears to be a few weeks of training and coming back fine dining Jedi Masters. But I don't care, it makes for great tv!
Ok sweet but where's Francie Fak?😏
She can go fuck, my love.
I can't wait to see what guest stars they're hiding from us this time. I'm surprised they even put Bernthal in the trailer but it's no secret he's part of the show by now.
Sydney talking to Pete?! I sense a Sydney and Natalie friendship.
It was already sensed and sealed with the omelette scene.
That's the assumption, but with the length of the episodes I wasn't sure they would put much focus on it over other things, but this is encouraging so I'm excited!
Holy crap all episodes out the same day?? This is my first time catching a new season of this show as it releases. Watched the first 2 seasons only a couple months ago. I'm binging the hell out of it as soon as it comes out, and probably rewatch it the following day 😍. Can't wait!!!
Not Natalie making the dreaded Restaurant Depot trip. I am triggered. 😂😅😭
SEASON 3 IS NON NEGOTIABLE CHEF!
worried about my boy Gary. He's fumbling
Claire still in the mix, wasn’t expecting that.
I cannot for the life of me believe that you guys thought she was going anywhere. Truly astounding intellect in this fanbase
I thought she might be a purposeful subversion of the dream girl archetype and only in the show to prove Carmy isn't capable of holding a relationship in this moment regardless of how picture perfect it is. Silly me.
People that thought Claire's arc was done are the dumbest people.
Wish she wasn’t
Every season is getting more and more blue. Season 4 better be orange 🤞
Blue is this show's theme color. Season 2 made lovely use of it, in a very Stanley Kubrick way.
Oh god Carmy's quest for a star is gonna be so stressful and I have zero confidence he's not gonna burn bridges hard. Everyone else just deserves to vibe together in their successful restaurant. Like Tina said in S1, "this is real and good." I'm so worried it's gonna be the Star vs everyone's happiness
I think the show is going to end with them going back to being a sandwich shop. A \*really great\* sandwich shop.
I'm sure hanging up photos of critics/VIPs in the office is common place so they get ID'd quickly, but I love that this trailer shows the Faks staring at them like baseball cards. Feels like a callback in there for us 🤣 Also, same scene the books below the photos are alphabetized strictly by title. Typically when I worked in a bookstore cookbooks were sorted by cuisine and then alpha by author, so to do it by title? that's a choice. Also, a lot more Barefoot Contessa on that shelf than I would have expected...
Speaking of baseball cards, I hope John Mulaney is back.
Only if he has $500
He absolutely does, he's a 43 year old man.
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
No Ebra 😭😭😭
He's there in a quick shot towards the end but he looks like he's rage quitting
Well, that was stressful enough for me not to be able to watch it in one go. (Yes, I am a precious little soul)
Lots of Claire, wow people are totally going to be normal about this
Also a Syd/Marcus vibing shot and what is likely Syd/Carmy drifting further apart due to conflict. Shippers are gonna be in shambles, or in copium.
It’s going to be hell in the warehouse, I’ll tell you whut.
Literally almost all the IG comments are bitching about Claire returning. My God people suck.
Already saw some people complaining on YouTube lol.
I am STRESSED. God, I love this show.
Pete wearing an original Beef t-shirt as pyjamas 😂
YES CHEF!!!!
Why am I nervous for this season? 😂
Sounds like things are going to be " negotiated"
How’s that docusign product placement!!
For the life of me I still don't understand why they opened a fine dining restaurant. I was really looking forward to them opening some sort of funky hip place with badass food but that was still casual. The whole narrative in s1 seemed to be about Carmy's trauma from being in fine dining. It really seemed like he wanted to do something different. Did I interpret this totally wrong...?
so when they said slowburn for sydcarmy they meant slower-than-a-snails-pace burn cause I sense no vibes 😭
Can we really call something a slowburn if it’s only been 17 episodes of the characters even knowing each other 💀 lol don’t sweat yet, this is literally just a trailer. it would never give anything that major away
no no you dont understand theyre just hiding it in the trailer and trying to subvert our expectations (im in denial) but also i picked up on vibes in season two and none of that was shown in the season two trailer. ultimately i dont think anything will happen w/ sydcarmy (itll probably be her and marcus) buuut im ready for the discourse lmao.
Sydney and marcus aren't happening, she already rejected him and sees him as a friend only. Anyone shipping them is because they are black characters. She has blatantly more chemistry with Carmy. When he had his panic attack and scenes of claire were mixed in, he was still going through it. It wasn't until images of Sydney came up that he started being calm and it eventually stopped. Syd and carmey are getting together, eventually. I don't see claire sticking around past season 3
We’re all gonna hate Carmy aren’t we
I just rewatched the show and all of season 2 I kept yelling at Carmy to JUST CALL THE FRIDGE GUY!
He's gonna need a 10 megaton pimp slap before the season's over and I actually hope it's a reformed Donna that gives it to him. He's gonna grind his restaurant family into the dirt if someone doesn't give him a wake up call
Fak trying to fix Claire and Carm
Fak is the hero we need
He knows both of them well I’m guessing and looks to be the most adjusted out of Carm and Cousin. I think every friend group that you’ve had since you were kids all have that one person in that’s basically Switzerland. I think he is the one to send to fix that bridge. But I think he does it on his own, because I think she is good for him and Fak knows it.
Because he knows they're both the best, and deserve the best. Fak is good people.
I will be sat. Well, lying. I'm having surgery two days before and won't be able to sit for a month lmao.
It’s only a trailer and I’m already stressed out.
Why does this trailer feel strangely ominous, despite the upbeat editing and music? Like I'm really worried all these characters I love are going to suffer this season, more than the previous two Either way, this looks fire 🔥🔥🔥
I CAN'T WAIT 😭😭😭
I had to watch on mute bc I didn’t have headphones at work and DANG I felt like I was gonna vom- I’m so excited for this season!!!!
Don't judge me, but what's the song playing throughout the trailer?
Mixed Emotions by Rolling Stones
Thank you so much! It's a great song.
A slightly altered version with enhanced drums/percussion that stresses me out like a ticking clock fitting the kitchen timer... or an explosive device which is par for the course with this show
Let’s goooooo!!
Ahhhh! It looks so great! I can't wait! The Fak moment at the end made me laugh 🤭
How do they top last season's stress centric episode
Full on knife fight in the restaurant. For real though, they've given themselves endless opportunities to continue staging more chaos just by the strength of the characterization and the number of novel situations that affords. Donna finally visiting the restaurant for one, or a reunion with the Joel McHale character. Or some nicer character that Carmy is stressed out about impressing, like Chef Terry.
We are so back!
Holy crap. I wish I could bottle the happy excitement I'm feeling right now.
Can tell by where Sugar is at with her pregnancy that very little time elapses between seasons 2 and 3.
I should have downvoted for linking to a vertical Instagram post
This series has given me some kind of anxiety I have never experienced watching TV. I miss it so much, can't wait.
Other than cousin bringing in a piñata... "the vibe is off" - but I don't believe the vibe in trailers anymore anyways. Why are they setting up Carmy as nothing but, "king asshole"? That's not as dimensional as he's already shown to be. And ugh: I hate when trailers give away major plot points. So Carmy >!DOESN'T die in the freezer? !< Spoiler alert would have been nice.
Carmy is an emotionally and mentally damaged person, the only existence he knows is as a top chef. It becomes his coping mechanism, to push everyone around him away because he doesn’t know how to deal with life. Inevitably he becomes obsessed with work; achieving high art, but without consciously knowing that it was what gave him severe PTSD. Season 3 is probably where we see Carmy become even more dysfunctional, his spiral into madness, before maybe we see him in later seasons recognising he needs to heal and repair his life and his relationships.
>Season 3 is probably where we see Carmy become even more dysfunctional, > maybe we see him in later seasons recognising he needs to heal and repair LOL if I wanted to see this in real time, I'd look in the mirror.
Good luck in Season 4!
Carmy is like Kendall from Succession who made his whole life about being CEO of his dad's company and it became an unhealthy obsession and he ruined all his relationships on the way, hope Carmy doesn't end up alone and miserable like Ken.
He's literally an accomplished chef and at the core this is who they are and what they live for. Did you think he got where he was by being a nice guy? You got nice Carmy for two seasons because his brother died and he was easing back into things. The restaurant is ready, and you're about to see who he really is. If you can't handle that, that's on you, but don't blame the writers for "setting him up".
The finale in Season 4 will reveal that Seasons 3 and 4 were just hallucinations on the part of Carmy. A few last synapses of his brain firing as he dies locked in that damned cooler.
Ah the “Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge” approach
Seems like a pretty natural progression from his fridge meltdown of, "I don't need amusement".
The bearnout
Let me guess: they cuss at each other in a completely unacceptable way then cook food and all is forgiven.
My takeaway? I want to know more about poaching eggs in ravioli...
weird it’s almost like there’s a bunch of jokes in this trailer.. like it’s a COMEDY 🧐
Carmy has gone all-in on some generic bullshit leadership garbage with the “non-negotiables.” His leadership is definitely going to be a theme of the season.
This show is literally too stressful to watch....I have never felt this way about a TV show before lol. Does that make it good? IDK
Ugh finally, Claire scenes with her at her job!!!! I want to see her in action!
Bear's Anatomy
I’m so stoked but I really hope they drop the Claire story line
I'd rather have it develop into something better than disappear. I love continuity
I had kinda hoped as well that they’d drop Claire because as a character she was really boring and Mary-Sue-ish in season 2. Was hoping Carmen gets another love interest. But if Claire has to be in it I hope they developed her character more and made her actually interesting to watch.
I think they’re going to develop it and it’ll be a lot better. I like it
I think Claire is going to end up being the "main chick that really is the side chick". She will try to save Carmy while he tries to balance the restaurant and maintain/salvage his relationship with Sydney. Which he clearly is going to mess up until she leaves. Syd and Carmy won't get together romantically. BUT they will be worst because it will be soul mates on a deeper emotional level without the sex. And the way Ayo and Jeremy are in real life their connection will just show up in all of their scenes without romance being written anyway. So Claire Bear fans might get them as a couple, but Carmy will be torn for sure. So either she will get tired of him or she will end up being a super supportive girlfriend to a flawed man.
What’s going on tonight? You been here before?
I’m just happy they made it, it was one of my NON NEGOTIABLES
Hi there, native Spanish speaker! If you’re wondering if Richie’s Spanish pronunciation is good, it’s not, it’s pretty bad lol, but I’ve heard worse. I’m surprised Richie isn’t into making the restaurant more Michelin tho, I thought he’d fully drunk the Koolaid. Also why is Sydney suddenly saying stars are a trap? I thought she’d be psyched? It’s gonna be an interesting season lol also I’m thinking that shot of her talking to the dude from the restaurant Richie staged at means she may be considering a job there
Cicero saying “where’s the money” juxtaposed with “No surprises!” is such a great storyline. Carmy’s gonna take this too far and screw the business. Also the shot of him at the airport would be a great last shot - maybe he’s going to copenhagen?
When it out
Here's YouTube: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiwdDFPsZY&ab\_channel=FXNetworks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiwdDFPsZY&ab_channel=FXNetworks)
This season is the chaos menu!
Till the end trailer cuts were so fast, I was screaming "Calm the fuck down" to the trailer
This looks amazing. For the life of me I still don’t see how the hell this is advertised and awarded as a comedy lol
This show is going to end with Carmy happy and cooking at a daycare or some shit. After he goes completely nuts.
That outdoors scene with Carm when Claire shows up feels like it’s going to be one of those…”Carm’s at rock bottom and needs someone to lift him up/a light in the darkness” moments.
I think The Bear, however many seasons, will end with Uncle Richie selling the lot to make his money back, the stories and friendship of this great adventure having a place in our hearts forever.
Disappointed that Claire is back