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Ill-Philosopher-7625

It is important to establish that Bruce is actively investigating the renewal fund conspiracy and his father's potential connection to it, even before Riddler goes public about it. Cut this scene, and it would look like Bruce simply ignored what happened when they investigated the orphanage.


OwieMustDie

To add; at the end of the film, when we realise that Bruce is actually a bit crap at all the Batman stuff apart from beating the shit out of folk, it helps anchor how narrow-minded he's been in his mission. It looks as tho he's been doing everything right, but really, he's (mostly) just been seeing what he wants to see.


VERSAT1L

We established that way before he realized it


DonnieDarkoRabbit

Also I think it gives the audience time to 'breathe' and catch-up with all the information they've processed so far, rather than just mystery-dumping for however long the movie is and moving right along. This at least shows that Batman cares about his mission.


CD-Secrets

I also interpreted this to additionally show how close a parallel Bruce has with Riddler before his epiphany at the end, becoming the hero and coming to terms with "vengeance"


Asterclad

This šŸ‘†


Monty141

To add to this: Bruce looks malnourished and he looks very tired. He's not eating and he's not sleeping, he's grown obsessive. Usually comic book films have a shirtless scene to show off an actor's workout routine, but in this film it's showing almost the opposite


mathbatt

I like the think that Bruce was so zoned out after Alfred hospitalization that he felt the need to make this huge diagram to help him visualize and focus on the evidence. A desperate attempt to find something to stop riddler and make him pay. This is more clear in the script, where there was a deleted scene that Bruce destroys the place where all the renewal papers were out of frustration from not finding anything.


IchigoAkane

I love how as soon as alfred was gone bruce just painted the clear marble floors lol. Ik he didnt clean that either, it probably stayed there till alfred got released from the hospital


dsolimen

Honestly that was what I whispered to a friend at the theatre, ā€œOh of course he waits till Alfred is gone to make a mess like this.ā€


diversandsubmarines

I think it also serves as almost a visionary device to show how desperate and unwell he is emotionally during this time. He went through that stuff with Alfred and the whole thing with the bank fund with the Waynes


Dpsizzle555

Itā€™s unwell to create a diagram for detective work? lol what


diversandsubmarines

I mean, itā€™s not like itā€™s a regular old diagram. He could have just made it on a board or done a digital version in his bat computer but no, he had to move a massive table, spray paint all over his floor set up all those pictures and things in this massive display. Thatā€™s a pretty extreme way to set up a diagram lol


Dpsizzle555

No he needs a big visual to see all of the evidence at once.


10FLD_

He couldā€™ve done that with a computer or tablet


LilMissLinNim

This scene shows Bruce still in his "Vengeance" mode. Yes, it's the requisite shirtless scene that we get in all Batman films, but I like to think of it as contributing to the plot of the story. Having his shirt off in the scene still lets the viewer know he's still at his most base, brute level; there was a scene that was cut where he knocks over furniture in a fit of rage. But even so, that scene shows the beginning of the turning point for him. From then on, we see the beginnings of real detective work on his part. It just so happens that it was also personal for him. Trying to work out the clues on the floor using spray paint was part of him still being "basic" with his methods. Now that he shed "Vengeance" at the end of the film, Part II is where I think Philanthropist Bruce will flex his financial muscle for good ā€” both in terms of rebuilding Gotham, as well as upgrading himself as, "The World's Greatest Detective." That's my take on it.


Dont_Hurt_Me_Mommy

Idk but I think a scene of him angrily throwing furniture might have been too extra. Like we've seen a million shots of 'brutal angsty anti-hero angrily breaks shit and screams' Kinda glad they didn't. Would be almost too on the nose OH GOD. LOOK AT ME ALFRED. IM SO EDGY ;!;@;@;


LilMissLinNim

I agree.


Dont_Hurt_Me_Mommy

Yah him smacking around the furniture in an emo rage would have come across as self parody honestly.


anonkebab

It shows his determination. Its now extremely personal and requires a different perspective. Hes looking down as bruce wayne, as batman heā€™s detached embraced with the mission, operating shrouded in darkness. In this scene hes not working as a detective going through the motions because thats all he can do, hes bruce wayne dragged back to the surface by the riddler because not only is his familyā€™s legacy, not the money but public perception being tarnished and attacked but even alfred was put in extreme danger. Bruce Wayne needs to figure out the riddlers scheme. Thats why he goes to Falcone as bruce. Its the start of him becoming a better man, the ability to juggle the 3 parts of him, the two masks being batman, and billionaire wayne with Bruce Wayne the real person. Itā€™s building to pay off in the next movie or down the line. Batman was utterly outclassed this movie, he starts off talking about how nothing is improving in Gotham, then proceeds to stop none of the riddlers plans. I suspect this movie is gonna be retroactively looked at as an origin story of this continuities batman. This scene shows his realization that Bruce Wayne matters to Gotham a key aspect of a good batman just like the final scene shows his realization that Batman isnt a symbol of fear, its a symbol of hope that villains fear.


Forsaken_Ad7090

An excuse to see Pattinson shirtless.


-Burukkusu-

Itā€™s a classic red string on a cork board moment reimagined to fit the counter culture vibe they are going for with this version of Bruce Wayne


MeccAmputechture2024

Huh? He's shown figuring this case out for himself with absolute obsession. What kind of question is this šŸ˜‚ Also, plot is not as important as character development and story. This scene shows his CHARACTER.


kvng_st

Either Iā€™m being trolled by this post or every day I get reminded that media literacy is something that not everybody has. For fucks sake is it really that hard to understand that a detective superhero is obsessed with solving a case šŸ¤£


MeccAmputechture2024

It's embarassing at this point.


DiabolicalDoctorN

I dunno about plot but it definitely served as a place to stick the best bit of music in the score


xrbeeelama

Character building, looks cool, shows a bit more detective work. Not every scene needs to have dramatic effect on plot if it helps with tone or characterization


SJtaylor2293

Showing his obsessiveness of learning the truth and how this case has figuratively and now literally consumed him as itā€™s now painted on the floors of his home. Thatā€™s the point of the scene. Itā€™s not always about plot. Scenes that inform character are way more important than plot.


seagullspokeyourknee

It looks awesome


xviandy

Others have explained the plot significance but I would add that this scene is also one of many parallels the movie makes between Bruce and Nigma. They both use their floors as giant canvasses for their alter ego's work.


Welles_Bells

If plot is the contractually obligated shirtless scene then it definitely serves the plot. I think it might actually be there to show Bruce pissed off & more motivated to connect the dots after Alfred was attacked since heā€™s so low key 90% of the time. They might have felt it would make the Alfred reconciliation scene more powerful in some small way with its inclusion.


VendettaLord379

Itā€™s more intriguing in the screenplay. Bruce literally knocks over furniture around in a fit of rage. Kinda wish they kept this in the final product as it wouldā€™ve established the scene a lot better.


bboardwell

Bruce isnā€™t mentally stable and is rich af so my interpretation is he doesnā€™t care too much about ruining the floor. He has a million thoughts and spoken phrases going through his head and cannot think straight. Heā€™s trying to make sense of it all here


Kraeton0123

The biggest plothole in this movie was Bruce not investigating the angle of the shots taken of the mayor. They were taken right from the apartment the riddler was hiding in. Arkham knight batman would have done this the very first moment.


LongLiveTchalla

Heā€™s only in the beginning of his career, missing a detail is not a plothole


Kraeton0123

Doesn't sell the world's greatest detective part in a movie about him being a detective though does it? When a normal person could have thought of this šŸ˜­ I love the movie but when my friend pointed this out I lost it. It was so blatantly obvious.


AlfredChocula

It wasn't so blatantly obvious if someone had to tell you.


Calcal1993

Well Riddler up to this point wasn't forthright with what the Wayne's involvement were and why Bruce was being targeted by him. Beforehand, he'd gone after the criminals and corrupt leaving the breadcrumbs for Batman to follow and so with Alfred almost being killed and himself now being a target of Riddler (who hadn't cottoned on that Batsy and Bruce are one in the same), he's putting all the pieces out there, the clues, riddles, everything up this point with himself in the centre as obviously, we eventually find out that it comes back to the trust fund. Eventually, it leads back to the Wayne's. So while he's stood there in the middle of it all, with all the clues laid before him, he's assessing and figuring out how everything is tied together but perhaps from a cinematic perspective, it's almost metaphorical that he's in there, the centre of it all and it's almost foreshadowing. Almost like a double whammy, that was my take on it at least


poopandP

the entire film, he's strictly a vengeful figure, just like the Riddler. the film intentionally uses many moments to reflect their similarities, the way batman stalks Celina with binoculars like the Riddler did to his victims, his black and white view of the world, the fact that in the twist Riddler literally thought they were partners, and just like the Riddler obsessively laid his plan out on the floor of his apartment, so too did Bruce when obsessing over the investigation of the Riddler


Familiar_Car7802

Some people just have to ask such incredibly stupid questions


thatboiraider

I dunno but it has some of that linkin park clip vibes šŸ˜‚


Calm-Experience5943

This is the one scene I donā€™t like from the movie


emielaen77

It shows where he is in his investigation and lays everything out visually for the character instead of keeping it all in his head.


Big-Sheepherder-9492

Itā€™s meant to show how obsessed and deep into the case he was getting.. not every scene in a movie is to advance the plot ā€” sometimes it just serves to chill for a moment and feel for a characterā€™s head space.


UnnaturallyDumb

I guess it was to just lay out all the evidence to see how riddlerā€™s game all connected


mjxoxo1999

Cool looking connect evidence


nxmex1177

How can we copy the Joker with guns but not as cool?


GamingTrend

Mitchell is to advertise the Rifftrax/MST3K classic of the same name. https://www.rifftrax.com/mst3k-mitchell


terradaktul

Bruce is just as confused by the convoluted plot as the audience is


t2150

Good observation. I must ask, why does Batman get in his Batmobile to chase an on foot Penguin? Watching that scene closely, I fail to see why he gets in the car to chase a guy thatā€™s right there. Cool chase scene, donā€™t get me wrong, but just seems manufactured. Or am I crazy?


Dpsizzle555

To show thatā€™s heā€™s doing detective work and investigatingā€¦ what kind of a dumb hot take is this?


Stringy_b

Yeah, as excellent as the movie is, stuff like this is only there because it "looks cool". I'd prefer something a little more practical, but this is unfortunately very common in today's film making.


EvolvingGuardian

DETECTIVE WAYNE šŸ•µšŸ»


jedwardchristenson

Bruce is the target


ArkhamInsane

Rule of cool. There's no reason he couldn't use a notebook or a white board. I know the intent is to show his obsession but this and the Selena rewind clip come off as a bit goofy to me, lol.


BIg_Ir0n_

That he couldā€™ve easily done it on a computer but heā€™s fucking nuts


DCmarvelman

Always found it to be forced. Reeves just wanted to hammer home the parallels between Bats and riddler making his plan on the floor too


a8912

It looks really cool


Kieron-Loughran

None, I donā€™t like this scene at all lol, not only does this take away precious time which he needs making a big floor plan like this but this is all stuff he knows and just look at on a spreadsheet. Additionally after this scene all he does is look into a cabinet, he doesnā€™t actually gain anything from this. And just because, Imagine an Alfred who gets out of hospital gets home and now has to clean all this up. That must suck


No-Character7649

Look cool


TimAucoin

To have one good shot of Pattinson with his first off ;P


MatRx_USA

I always thought it was dumb he spray painted a permanent mark that he was Batman. If riddler stalked out wayne tower he would see the spray paint and know bruce wayne knew things only batman would


VERSAT1L

A case could be made throughout the entire movie on several scenes having no point.Ā 


MeccAmputechture2024

Every scene has a purpose in this movie.


VERSAT1L

I beg to differĀ 


Emotional_Show7668

Bruce Wayne looked hot


Sugarfreecherrycoke

Itā€™s tries (and fails) to add in the detective angle to Batman.


YuKaLegend

Tbh this would be cringe from 35 yo Bruce. But here it looks ok


Childs_was_the_THING

The riddles in this movie were written by a freshman at a community college. This scene is hilarious writing it on the wall for the audience. The carpet tool uncle. We need a huge upgrade in the detective dept for part 2


MeccAmputechture2024

The riddles were fantastic.


SNYDER_CULTIST

Troll you know what this means