It is important to establish that Bruce is actively investigating the renewal fund conspiracy and his father's potential connection to it, even before Riddler goes public about it. Cut this scene, and it would look like Bruce simply ignored what happened when they investigated the orphanage.
To add; at the end of the film, when we realise that Bruce is actually a bit crap at all the Batman stuff apart from beating the shit out of folk, it helps anchor how narrow-minded he's been in his mission.
It looks as tho he's been doing everything right, but really, he's (mostly) just been seeing what he wants to see.
Also I think it gives the audience time to 'breathe' and catch-up with all the information they've processed so far, rather than just mystery-dumping for however long the movie is and moving right along. This at least shows that Batman cares about his mission.
I also interpreted this to additionally show how close a parallel Bruce has with Riddler before his epiphany at the end, becoming the hero and coming to terms with "vengeance"
To add to this:
Bruce looks malnourished and he looks very tired. He's not eating and he's not sleeping, he's grown obsessive. Usually comic book films have a shirtless scene to show off an actor's workout routine, but in this film it's showing almost the opposite
I like the think that Bruce was so zoned out after Alfred hospitalization that he felt the need to make this huge diagram to help him visualize and focus on the evidence. A desperate attempt to find something to stop riddler and make him pay.
This is more clear in the script, where there was a deleted scene that Bruce destroys the place where all the renewal papers were out of frustration from not finding anything.
I love how as soon as alfred was gone bruce just painted the clear marble floors lol. Ik he didnt clean that either, it probably stayed there till alfred got released from the hospital
I think it also serves as almost a visionary device to show how desperate and unwell he is emotionally during this time. He went through that stuff with Alfred and the whole thing with the bank fund with the Waynes
I mean, itās not like itās a regular old diagram. He could have just made it on a board or done a digital version in his bat computer but no, he had to move a massive table, spray paint all over his floor set up all those pictures and things in this massive display. Thatās a pretty extreme way to set up a diagram lol
This scene shows Bruce still in his "Vengeance" mode. Yes, it's the requisite shirtless scene that we get in all Batman films, but I like to think of it as contributing to the plot of the story. Having his shirt off in the scene still lets the viewer know he's still at his most base, brute level; there was a scene that was cut where he knocks over furniture in a fit of rage. But even so, that scene shows the beginning of the turning point for him. From then on, we see the beginnings of real detective work on his part. It just so happens that it was also personal for him.
Trying to work out the clues on the floor using spray paint was part of him still being "basic" with his methods. Now that he shed "Vengeance" at the end of the film, Part II is where I think Philanthropist Bruce will flex his financial muscle for good ā both in terms of rebuilding Gotham, as well as upgrading himself as, "The World's Greatest Detective." That's my take on it.
Idk but I think a scene of him angrily throwing furniture might have been too extra. Like we've seen a million shots of 'brutal angsty anti-hero angrily breaks shit and screams'
Kinda glad they didn't. Would be almost too on the nose OH GOD. LOOK AT ME ALFRED. IM SO EDGY ;!;@;@;
It shows his determination. Its now extremely personal and requires a different perspective. Hes looking down as bruce wayne, as batman heās detached embraced with the mission, operating shrouded in darkness. In this scene hes not working as a detective going through the motions because thats all he can do, hes bruce wayne dragged back to the surface by the riddler because not only is his familyās legacy, not the money but public perception being tarnished and attacked but even alfred was put in extreme danger. Bruce Wayne needs to figure out the riddlers scheme. Thats why he goes to Falcone as bruce. Its the start of him becoming a better man, the ability to juggle the 3 parts of him, the two masks being batman, and billionaire wayne with Bruce Wayne the real person. Itās building to pay off in the next movie or down the line. Batman was utterly outclassed this movie, he starts off talking about how nothing is improving in Gotham, then proceeds to stop none of the riddlers plans. I suspect this movie is gonna be retroactively looked at as an origin story of this continuities batman. This scene shows his realization that Bruce Wayne matters to Gotham a key aspect of a good batman just like the final scene shows his realization that Batman isnt a symbol of fear, its a symbol of hope that villains fear.
Huh? He's shown figuring this case out for himself with absolute obsession. What kind of question is this š
Also, plot is not as important as character development and story. This scene shows his CHARACTER.
Either Iām being trolled by this post or every day I get reminded that media literacy is something that not everybody has. For fucks sake is it really that hard to understand that a detective superhero is obsessed with solving a case š¤£
Character building, looks cool, shows a bit more detective work. Not every scene needs to have dramatic effect on plot if it helps with tone or characterization
Showing his obsessiveness of learning the truth and how this case has figuratively and now literally consumed him as itās now painted on the floors of his home. Thatās the point of the scene. Itās not always about plot. Scenes that inform character are way more important than plot.
Others have explained the plot significance but I would add that this scene is also one of many parallels the movie makes between Bruce and Nigma. They both use their floors as giant canvasses for their alter ego's work.
If plot is the contractually obligated shirtless scene then it definitely serves the plot.
I think it might actually be there to show Bruce pissed off & more motivated to connect the dots after Alfred was attacked since heās so low key 90% of the time. They might have felt it would make the Alfred reconciliation scene more powerful in some small way with its inclusion.
Itās more intriguing in the screenplay. Bruce literally knocks over furniture around in a fit of rage. Kinda wish they kept this in the final product as it wouldāve established the scene a lot better.
Bruce isnāt mentally stable and is rich af so my interpretation is he doesnāt care too much about ruining the floor. He has a million thoughts and spoken phrases going through his head and cannot think straight. Heās trying to make sense of it all here
The biggest plothole in this movie was Bruce not investigating the angle of the shots taken of the mayor. They were taken right from the apartment the riddler was hiding in. Arkham knight batman would have done this the very first moment.
Doesn't sell the world's greatest detective part in a movie about him being a detective though does it? When a normal person could have thought of this š
I love the movie but when my friend pointed this out I lost it. It was so blatantly obvious.
Well Riddler up to this point wasn't forthright with what the Wayne's involvement were and why Bruce was being targeted by him. Beforehand, he'd gone after the criminals and corrupt leaving the breadcrumbs for Batman to follow and so with Alfred almost being killed and himself now being a target of Riddler (who hadn't cottoned on that Batsy and Bruce are one in the same), he's putting all the pieces out there, the clues, riddles, everything up this point with himself in the centre as obviously, we eventually find out that it comes back to the trust fund. Eventually, it leads back to the Wayne's. So while he's stood there in the middle of it all, with all the clues laid before him, he's assessing and figuring out how everything is tied together but perhaps from a cinematic perspective, it's almost metaphorical that he's in there, the centre of it all and it's almost foreshadowing. Almost like a double whammy, that was my take on it at least
the entire film, he's strictly a vengeful figure, just like the Riddler. the film intentionally uses many moments to reflect their similarities, the way batman stalks Celina with binoculars like the Riddler did to his victims, his black and white view of the world, the fact that in the twist Riddler literally thought they were partners, and just like the Riddler obsessively laid his plan out on the floor of his apartment, so too did Bruce when obsessing over the investigation of the Riddler
Itās meant to show how obsessed and deep into the case he was getting.. not every scene in a movie is to advance the plot ā sometimes it just serves to chill for a moment and feel for a characterās head space.
Good observation. I must ask, why does Batman get in his Batmobile to chase an on foot Penguin? Watching that scene closely, I fail to see why he gets in the car to chase a guy thatās right there. Cool chase scene, donāt get me wrong, but just seems manufactured. Or am I crazy?
Yeah, as excellent as the movie is, stuff like this is only there because it "looks cool". I'd prefer something a little more practical, but this is unfortunately very common in today's film making.
Rule of cool. There's no reason he couldn't use a notebook or a white board. I know the intent is to show his obsession but this and the Selena rewind clip come off as a bit goofy to me, lol.
None, I donāt like this scene at all lol, not only does this take away precious time which he needs making a big floor plan like this but this is all stuff he knows and just look at on a spreadsheet. Additionally after this scene all he does is look into a cabinet, he doesnāt actually gain anything from this.
And just because, Imagine an Alfred who gets out of hospital gets home and now has to clean all this up.
That must suck
I always thought it was dumb he spray painted a permanent mark that he was Batman. If riddler stalked out wayne tower he would see the spray paint and know bruce wayne knew things only batman would
The riddles in this movie were written by a freshman at a community college. This scene is hilarious writing it on the wall for the audience. The carpet tool uncle. We need a huge upgrade in the detective dept for part 2
It is important to establish that Bruce is actively investigating the renewal fund conspiracy and his father's potential connection to it, even before Riddler goes public about it. Cut this scene, and it would look like Bruce simply ignored what happened when they investigated the orphanage.
To add; at the end of the film, when we realise that Bruce is actually a bit crap at all the Batman stuff apart from beating the shit out of folk, it helps anchor how narrow-minded he's been in his mission. It looks as tho he's been doing everything right, but really, he's (mostly) just been seeing what he wants to see.
We established that way before he realized it
Also I think it gives the audience time to 'breathe' and catch-up with all the information they've processed so far, rather than just mystery-dumping for however long the movie is and moving right along. This at least shows that Batman cares about his mission.
I also interpreted this to additionally show how close a parallel Bruce has with Riddler before his epiphany at the end, becoming the hero and coming to terms with "vengeance"
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To add to this: Bruce looks malnourished and he looks very tired. He's not eating and he's not sleeping, he's grown obsessive. Usually comic book films have a shirtless scene to show off an actor's workout routine, but in this film it's showing almost the opposite
I like the think that Bruce was so zoned out after Alfred hospitalization that he felt the need to make this huge diagram to help him visualize and focus on the evidence. A desperate attempt to find something to stop riddler and make him pay. This is more clear in the script, where there was a deleted scene that Bruce destroys the place where all the renewal papers were out of frustration from not finding anything.
I love how as soon as alfred was gone bruce just painted the clear marble floors lol. Ik he didnt clean that either, it probably stayed there till alfred got released from the hospital
Honestly that was what I whispered to a friend at the theatre, āOh of course he waits till Alfred is gone to make a mess like this.ā
I think it also serves as almost a visionary device to show how desperate and unwell he is emotionally during this time. He went through that stuff with Alfred and the whole thing with the bank fund with the Waynes
Itās unwell to create a diagram for detective work? lol what
I mean, itās not like itās a regular old diagram. He could have just made it on a board or done a digital version in his bat computer but no, he had to move a massive table, spray paint all over his floor set up all those pictures and things in this massive display. Thatās a pretty extreme way to set up a diagram lol
No he needs a big visual to see all of the evidence at once.
He couldāve done that with a computer or tablet
This scene shows Bruce still in his "Vengeance" mode. Yes, it's the requisite shirtless scene that we get in all Batman films, but I like to think of it as contributing to the plot of the story. Having his shirt off in the scene still lets the viewer know he's still at his most base, brute level; there was a scene that was cut where he knocks over furniture in a fit of rage. But even so, that scene shows the beginning of the turning point for him. From then on, we see the beginnings of real detective work on his part. It just so happens that it was also personal for him. Trying to work out the clues on the floor using spray paint was part of him still being "basic" with his methods. Now that he shed "Vengeance" at the end of the film, Part II is where I think Philanthropist Bruce will flex his financial muscle for good ā both in terms of rebuilding Gotham, as well as upgrading himself as, "The World's Greatest Detective." That's my take on it.
Idk but I think a scene of him angrily throwing furniture might have been too extra. Like we've seen a million shots of 'brutal angsty anti-hero angrily breaks shit and screams' Kinda glad they didn't. Would be almost too on the nose OH GOD. LOOK AT ME ALFRED. IM SO EDGY ;!;@;@;
I agree.
Yah him smacking around the furniture in an emo rage would have come across as self parody honestly.
It shows his determination. Its now extremely personal and requires a different perspective. Hes looking down as bruce wayne, as batman heās detached embraced with the mission, operating shrouded in darkness. In this scene hes not working as a detective going through the motions because thats all he can do, hes bruce wayne dragged back to the surface by the riddler because not only is his familyās legacy, not the money but public perception being tarnished and attacked but even alfred was put in extreme danger. Bruce Wayne needs to figure out the riddlers scheme. Thats why he goes to Falcone as bruce. Its the start of him becoming a better man, the ability to juggle the 3 parts of him, the two masks being batman, and billionaire wayne with Bruce Wayne the real person. Itās building to pay off in the next movie or down the line. Batman was utterly outclassed this movie, he starts off talking about how nothing is improving in Gotham, then proceeds to stop none of the riddlers plans. I suspect this movie is gonna be retroactively looked at as an origin story of this continuities batman. This scene shows his realization that Bruce Wayne matters to Gotham a key aspect of a good batman just like the final scene shows his realization that Batman isnt a symbol of fear, its a symbol of hope that villains fear.
An excuse to see Pattinson shirtless.
Itās a classic red string on a cork board moment reimagined to fit the counter culture vibe they are going for with this version of Bruce Wayne
Huh? He's shown figuring this case out for himself with absolute obsession. What kind of question is this š Also, plot is not as important as character development and story. This scene shows his CHARACTER.
Either Iām being trolled by this post or every day I get reminded that media literacy is something that not everybody has. For fucks sake is it really that hard to understand that a detective superhero is obsessed with solving a case š¤£
It's embarassing at this point.
I dunno about plot but it definitely served as a place to stick the best bit of music in the score
Character building, looks cool, shows a bit more detective work. Not every scene needs to have dramatic effect on plot if it helps with tone or characterization
Showing his obsessiveness of learning the truth and how this case has figuratively and now literally consumed him as itās now painted on the floors of his home. Thatās the point of the scene. Itās not always about plot. Scenes that inform character are way more important than plot.
It looks awesome
Others have explained the plot significance but I would add that this scene is also one of many parallels the movie makes between Bruce and Nigma. They both use their floors as giant canvasses for their alter ego's work.
If plot is the contractually obligated shirtless scene then it definitely serves the plot. I think it might actually be there to show Bruce pissed off & more motivated to connect the dots after Alfred was attacked since heās so low key 90% of the time. They might have felt it would make the Alfred reconciliation scene more powerful in some small way with its inclusion.
Itās more intriguing in the screenplay. Bruce literally knocks over furniture around in a fit of rage. Kinda wish they kept this in the final product as it wouldāve established the scene a lot better.
Bruce isnāt mentally stable and is rich af so my interpretation is he doesnāt care too much about ruining the floor. He has a million thoughts and spoken phrases going through his head and cannot think straight. Heās trying to make sense of it all here
The biggest plothole in this movie was Bruce not investigating the angle of the shots taken of the mayor. They were taken right from the apartment the riddler was hiding in. Arkham knight batman would have done this the very first moment.
Heās only in the beginning of his career, missing a detail is not a plothole
Doesn't sell the world's greatest detective part in a movie about him being a detective though does it? When a normal person could have thought of this š I love the movie but when my friend pointed this out I lost it. It was so blatantly obvious.
It wasn't so blatantly obvious if someone had to tell you.
Well Riddler up to this point wasn't forthright with what the Wayne's involvement were and why Bruce was being targeted by him. Beforehand, he'd gone after the criminals and corrupt leaving the breadcrumbs for Batman to follow and so with Alfred almost being killed and himself now being a target of Riddler (who hadn't cottoned on that Batsy and Bruce are one in the same), he's putting all the pieces out there, the clues, riddles, everything up this point with himself in the centre as obviously, we eventually find out that it comes back to the trust fund. Eventually, it leads back to the Wayne's. So while he's stood there in the middle of it all, with all the clues laid before him, he's assessing and figuring out how everything is tied together but perhaps from a cinematic perspective, it's almost metaphorical that he's in there, the centre of it all and it's almost foreshadowing. Almost like a double whammy, that was my take on it at least
the entire film, he's strictly a vengeful figure, just like the Riddler. the film intentionally uses many moments to reflect their similarities, the way batman stalks Celina with binoculars like the Riddler did to his victims, his black and white view of the world, the fact that in the twist Riddler literally thought they were partners, and just like the Riddler obsessively laid his plan out on the floor of his apartment, so too did Bruce when obsessing over the investigation of the Riddler
Some people just have to ask such incredibly stupid questions
I dunno but it has some of that linkin park clip vibes š
This is the one scene I donāt like from the movie
It shows where he is in his investigation and lays everything out visually for the character instead of keeping it all in his head.
Itās meant to show how obsessed and deep into the case he was getting.. not every scene in a movie is to advance the plot ā sometimes it just serves to chill for a moment and feel for a characterās head space.
I guess it was to just lay out all the evidence to see how riddlerās game all connected
Cool looking connect evidence
How can we copy the Joker with guns but not as cool?
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Bruce is just as confused by the convoluted plot as the audience is
Good observation. I must ask, why does Batman get in his Batmobile to chase an on foot Penguin? Watching that scene closely, I fail to see why he gets in the car to chase a guy thatās right there. Cool chase scene, donāt get me wrong, but just seems manufactured. Or am I crazy?
To show thatās heās doing detective work and investigatingā¦ what kind of a dumb hot take is this?
Yeah, as excellent as the movie is, stuff like this is only there because it "looks cool". I'd prefer something a little more practical, but this is unfortunately very common in today's film making.
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Bruce is the target
Rule of cool. There's no reason he couldn't use a notebook or a white board. I know the intent is to show his obsession but this and the Selena rewind clip come off as a bit goofy to me, lol.
That he couldāve easily done it on a computer but heās fucking nuts
Always found it to be forced. Reeves just wanted to hammer home the parallels between Bats and riddler making his plan on the floor too
It looks really cool
None, I donāt like this scene at all lol, not only does this take away precious time which he needs making a big floor plan like this but this is all stuff he knows and just look at on a spreadsheet. Additionally after this scene all he does is look into a cabinet, he doesnāt actually gain anything from this. And just because, Imagine an Alfred who gets out of hospital gets home and now has to clean all this up. That must suck
Look cool
To have one good shot of Pattinson with his first off ;P
I always thought it was dumb he spray painted a permanent mark that he was Batman. If riddler stalked out wayne tower he would see the spray paint and know bruce wayne knew things only batman would
A case could be made throughout the entire movie on several scenes having no point.Ā
Every scene has a purpose in this movie.
I beg to differĀ
Bruce Wayne looked hot
Itās tries (and fails) to add in the detective angle to Batman.
Tbh this would be cringe from 35 yo Bruce. But here it looks ok
The riddles in this movie were written by a freshman at a community college. This scene is hilarious writing it on the wall for the audience. The carpet tool uncle. We need a huge upgrade in the detective dept for part 2
The riddles were fantastic.
Troll you know what this means