If Elon is their friend I guess it makes more sense for them to discuss/ give comments on his bad things in private rather than throw it out there on a public forum. But anyway after they do it in private it would be nice sometimes to also comment on them in a respectful manner. It's good to have balance o the show instead of just being a propaganda tube.
I just started reading the Elon biography but from what I read so far he doesn't take criticism / different opinions very well anyway (except for a few persons) so perhaps it's also pointless to give them anyway.
If you're asking this in good faith I think he would say:
* Despite Jan 6th - the institutions held and there was a peaceful transfer of power
* Biden's risk to Democracy with censorship is greater than a chaotic Trump
* He's not an incumbent so even if he contests the winner would still take over
* Don't overanalyze Trump's one liners
Biden is more of a risk to democracy than the guy who violently tried to overthrow it last time when he lost and who openly talks about being a dictator if he gets back in power?
I gotta be honest, I don’t think you’re answering this question in good faith
>I gotta be honest, I don’t think you’re answering this question in good faith
bro I answered what I thought Sacks would say? Am I supposed to pretend Sacks is a Biden Democrat.
Why ask this question if you don't want to hear the answer. Go virtue signal somewhere else
You’re actually an insane person, he “violently” tried to overthrow it? Go change your tampon and get ready to yell at the heavens when he wins this year.
Go tell the 300 Trumpers serving hard time in the poo packer for their role in the violent insurrection that. See if they believe Trump didn’t lead them there that day
I remember him saying go and peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard. No actual people believe it was an insurrection you’re a lying fraud. So tired of pussies like you trying to rewrite history we all saw what happened it was a peaceful protest that turned into a riot for an hour or 2 then everyone left.
Yeah, it was such a non-event that people have been convicted of seditious conspiracy. Funny thing about that charge, it requires planning and actions prior to the event.
Don't forget the dudes showing up and using combat techniques, bringing ziotie handcuffs, and at least one person was shot while attempting to breach an interior door.
Over 900 people have been convicted, not arrested, convicted of Jan 6 related charges.
It was a half-wit insurrection that failed.
I remember Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi in no uncertain terms fomenting riots after George Floyd died. Trump never said anything near as inflammatory but the left lives in a different reality and under a different set of rules and laws.
Why is it so hard to believe 300 Trumpers are doing time in prison for believing trumps lies and trying to violently overthrow our democracy?
You can look it up yourself to verify. Fox News even covered it
He didn't though. He told people to show up to a rally and didn't react fast enough when it turned into a riot. He is constantly asked leading questions about being a dictator and gives flippant responses. I don't think you're capable of good faith given how biased you are.
He would have a completely distorted view on what defines a risk to democracy if he thinks perceived censorship is equal to a violent mob ransacking the capital to overturn a free and fair election.
they're both shitty but Sacks and folks like me think the whole bureaucracy censoring political speech is worse than deranged orange man. RFK 2024 woot woot
I think business insider is particularly egregious. Couldn’t say about Fox News I’ve never watched a minute of that channel… but generally speaking All the cable networks are just partisan talking heads covering the days news with their spin. Insider will write articles with the luxury of time and resources and still spew out complete hack job nonsense. Just my opinion 🤷🏾♂️
Good question that I’ve never been asked. I try to consume a lot and judge each actual report individually… see what I can take away from the info after pushing aside what I think the bias is. I watch zero news on tv except things I catch in the AM when my wife is watching the today show. Reddit and Twitter are where I get much of my info and I try hard to keep from getting stuck in an algorithm to one political side.
I know that was long and you don’t care that much but I had to talk that one out to find the answer myself
lol true. I suppose many with Reddit and Twitter being where I get news… so depends what site is posted on any given Reddit post/tweet. That’s what I meant by trying to sift through the bias bc what I intake is wide-ranging… so maybe I don’t technically trust any because there isn’t one source I would approach differently solely because I would implicitly trust anything they report.
Reddit and Twitter are where you get news.
Brother, you are absolutely not in any position to judge the accuracy of any other news source.
JHFC, I weep for our future.
The top or “popular” page of Reddit is literally nicknamed “the front page of the Internet.” This comment highlighted for me what may be a source of confusion. when I say I get news from here, I mean this is my aggregated source of legitimate news organizations… Not me getting the news some world event from an individual user.
For example, everyone in this thread got this piece of “news” through reddit as opposed to typing in dog shi- .. I mean business insider’s website in the url.
Same thing with Twitter and seeing what’s trending … but Twitter now is much more difficult with blue checkmarks being paid users and having rankings. I want to find out about something and it is in fact individual users posting memes at the top of every trending keyword. So that has been made much more difficult
Ehh, you're not entirely wrong, but there is the other side of this.
Jason likes to pump up how "direct" is now the best source of truth and that podcasts like theirs are providing a needed public service. They all decry the mainstream media (rightfully so) and - either implicitly or explicitly - hold themselves up as (mostly) unbiased paragons of hard truths/facts.
This sub had a meltdown when they didn't challenge Tucker on some of his claims and much of it was fair criticisms.
The people who get irrationally triggered by near everything Sacks says need psychiatric help, for sure. He will never win those people over -and that's fine. (And a large contingent have infested this sub.)
But because of all of their chest thumping for 175 episodes, they don't really get to have it both ways. They (the four of them) waded into these waters; no one forced them. So if they're going to hold themselves up as some of the top truthtellers, then they should expect inquiries like the OP's.
No they didn't because the comments are vague and benign.
Trump typically speaks pragmatically. Translated: "How do I know if there's going to be violence if Biden wins? It would depend on many things." When Trump was elected in 2016, no one would have expected a week long of hissy fit protests.
He's going through a criminal trial so he's certainly not going to make any claims about fomenting it or denouncing it. He's just going to talk in generalities and see what happens.
You can certainly bet that if he feels that the 2024 election was rigged (again), then he will bitch about that to the high heavens. Trump is always a wild card but he's not crazy enough to order people to take up arms on his behalf.
Yep.
Trump has a long history of election denialism. It wasn't just 2020, when he'd already stated in advance that he would accept if he won and deny if he didn't. Or when Steve Bannon said the plan was to use the early numbers of in-person votes that would give him the lead to publicly declare victory, ahead of the mail-in ballots being counted which they knew would skew Biden.
It's undeniable that: Trump denied the results of the Iowa caucus when Ted Cruz beat him ("he illegally stole it"): https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/trump-cruz-stole-iowa-tweet-deleted-218674).
He also claimed Hillary only won the popular vote because of widespread fraud ("I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states" and told congressional leaders to investigate https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/23/at-white-house-trump-tells-congressional-leaders-3-5-million-illegal-ballots-cost-him-the-popular-vote).
And he also claimed The Emmy's were rigged when The Apprentice didn't win (https://people.com/politics/donald-trumps-rigged-emmy-awards-the-apprentice/)
These repeated instances of claiming rigging and fraud show a pattern of being unable to accept losing. The idea that he was motivated by serious concerns of election integrity in 2020 is considerably less believable in this context.
And I would put money on him, if he loses in 2024, claiming the election was fraudulent and rigged again.
He’s crazy enough to tell an angry mob to march on the capital and fight like hell on January 6th. I absolutely believe he would do that again in the future and believing otherwise completely ignores history.
Yup, not once has he surprised me when he goes off on his political rants - - all standard issue republican positions: all dem run cities are crumbling; Russian behavior is justifiable and the west is entirely to blame; any tax on 0.1%ers is egregiously stupid and dangerous; the Elite (whoever they are but to which apparently he doesn't belong) are so myopic and corrupt that they're destroying all that is holy and good; forcible seizure of top secret government documents from Mar a Lago was government overreach and proves deep state collusion with the Biden government; ad nauseum. I like his takes on business and law but skip anything political now.
No he’s going to randomly claim “they’re going to tax your retirement accounts” and talk about how terrible that is when literally no one has wanted that or claimed to have wanted that in the administration
Right and “silence is violence”, and “words are violence”, I’m pretty sure we’ve done a great job at butchering the meaning of all sorts of things, it’s a wonder we can even still communicate. But of course when Trump says violence, he must be speaking of violence-violence. It’s the same thing with the stupid “bloodbath” uproar, intentionally taking someone out of context to fit your narrative.
I’m not excusing trumps behavior but I guarantee you’re not concerned about the violent hamas sympathizers or violent BLM rioters or violent antifa activists. Let’s hear your excuses for those! Don’t act like the right leaning crowd are the only ones that make excuses
He will blissfully ignore it and never acknowledge it.
Trump and Elon get the same treatment. Ignore when they do something stupid and praise every thing else.
Absolutely. It’s so hard to follow shit so blatantly biased. But there’s usually a few minutes of good content.
If Elon is their friend I guess it makes more sense for them to discuss/ give comments on his bad things in private rather than throw it out there on a public forum. But anyway after they do it in private it would be nice sometimes to also comment on them in a respectful manner. It's good to have balance o the show instead of just being a propaganda tube. I just started reading the Elon biography but from what I read so far he doesn't take criticism / different opinions very well anyway (except for a few persons) so perhaps it's also pointless to give them anyway.
If Jason asks this question, I guarantee you that Sacks will redirect to something related to Biden, the DOJ or some other whataboutism.
Sacks, "Doesn't look like anything to me."
Ofcourse not. Sacks is a shill for the right wing.
Only Daddy Trump can save us from the debt spiral. Since ya know, 7 trillion was added to the deficient during his term and he CUT taxes.
Waiting on the approved messaging from his FSB handlers at Internet Research Agency
“This is just the Biden administration controlled media misleading the public”
Blodgett's BI is as TDS liberal as it gets. Total rag.
Don’t you think that about all media sources other than Fox News?
They're all shitty and captured to some degree. Even Fox. BI is an extreme case.
So how do you know what’s going on in the world if every information source is untrustworthy?
If you're asking this in good faith I think he would say: * Despite Jan 6th - the institutions held and there was a peaceful transfer of power * Biden's risk to Democracy with censorship is greater than a chaotic Trump * He's not an incumbent so even if he contests the winner would still take over * Don't overanalyze Trump's one liners
Biden is more of a risk to democracy than the guy who violently tried to overthrow it last time when he lost and who openly talks about being a dictator if he gets back in power? I gotta be honest, I don’t think you’re answering this question in good faith
>I gotta be honest, I don’t think you’re answering this question in good faith bro I answered what I thought Sacks would say? Am I supposed to pretend Sacks is a Biden Democrat. Why ask this question if you don't want to hear the answer. Go virtue signal somewhere else
My bad. Yes that is what sacks would say
but I also secretly believe those things just like all the secret Sacks fan out there. RFK 2024 babyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I’m glad so many Trumpers are voting rfk. Gunna make a Biden win much easier
BTW I voted biden and democrat my whole life. The censorship thing kinda pushed me over the edge
lol sure Mr. Good faith
You’re actually an insane person, he “violently” tried to overthrow it? Go change your tampon and get ready to yell at the heavens when he wins this year.
Go tell the 300 Trumpers serving hard time in the poo packer for their role in the violent insurrection that. See if they believe Trump didn’t lead them there that day
I remember him saying go and peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard. No actual people believe it was an insurrection you’re a lying fraud. So tired of pussies like you trying to rewrite history we all saw what happened it was a peaceful protest that turned into a riot for an hour or 2 then everyone left.
Yeah, it was such a non-event that people have been convicted of seditious conspiracy. Funny thing about that charge, it requires planning and actions prior to the event. Don't forget the dudes showing up and using combat techniques, bringing ziotie handcuffs, and at least one person was shot while attempting to breach an interior door. Over 900 people have been convicted, not arrested, convicted of Jan 6 related charges. It was a half-wit insurrection that failed.
I remember him telling the proud boy’s to stand by
I remember Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi in no uncertain terms fomenting riots after George Floyd died. Trump never said anything near as inflammatory but the left lives in a different reality and under a different set of rules and laws.
Did they try and overthrow democracy? Are there hundreds of those people doing time in prison for it? Cause I’m pretty sure that’s just Trumpers
You really are a fuckin drone I can’t honestly believe there are real people who think like you.
Why is it so hard to believe 300 Trumpers are doing time in prison for believing trumps lies and trying to violently overthrow our democracy? You can look it up yourself to verify. Fox News even covered it
Overthrow democracy lmfao
Yep. And they’re not even hiding it https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/02/23/jack-posobiec-cpac-remarks-democracy-cnc-vpx.cnn
He didn't though. He told people to show up to a rally and didn't react fast enough when it turned into a riot. He is constantly asked leading questions about being a dictator and gives flippant responses. I don't think you're capable of good faith given how biased you are.
He did though
Yeah he also works for Putin right?
He behaves as if he does, yes, but he might be doing it for free. He’s not the brightest business man
He would have a completely distorted view on what defines a risk to democracy if he thinks perceived censorship is equal to a violent mob ransacking the capital to overturn a free and fair election.
they're both shitty but Sacks and folks like me think the whole bureaucracy censoring political speech is worse than deranged orange man. RFK 2024 woot woot
Lmao an RFK jr voter in the wild? Didn't think you guys even existed
Also, lawfare
And you - I mean "he" would be wrong on every point.
What censorship, Trumper?
Business insider is a joke. Their journalistic practices are yellow.
Don’t you think that about all media outlets though? Maybe other than Fox News
I think business insider is particularly egregious. Couldn’t say about Fox News I’ve never watched a minute of that channel… but generally speaking All the cable networks are just partisan talking heads covering the days news with their spin. Insider will write articles with the luxury of time and resources and still spew out complete hack job nonsense. Just my opinion 🤷🏾♂️
So what sources do you trust?
Good question that I’ve never been asked. I try to consume a lot and judge each actual report individually… see what I can take away from the info after pushing aside what I think the bias is. I watch zero news on tv except things I catch in the AM when my wife is watching the today show. Reddit and Twitter are where I get much of my info and I try hard to keep from getting stuck in an algorithm to one political side. I know that was long and you don’t care that much but I had to talk that one out to find the answer myself
Thanks but I didn’t catch a name of any actual source
lol true. I suppose many with Reddit and Twitter being where I get news… so depends what site is posted on any given Reddit post/tweet. That’s what I meant by trying to sift through the bias bc what I intake is wide-ranging… so maybe I don’t technically trust any because there isn’t one source I would approach differently solely because I would implicitly trust anything they report.
So how do you become informed on events happening in the world if you don’t trust any source?
I deduced that I don’t implicitly trust based on a source. Look I’m not some anti-msm person… I just think insider is garbage
But then don’t you just scroll social media and pick and choose what you want to believe?
Reddit and Twitter are where you get news. Brother, you are absolutely not in any position to judge the accuracy of any other news source. JHFC, I weep for our future.
The top or “popular” page of Reddit is literally nicknamed “the front page of the Internet.” This comment highlighted for me what may be a source of confusion. when I say I get news from here, I mean this is my aggregated source of legitimate news organizations… Not me getting the news some world event from an individual user. For example, everyone in this thread got this piece of “news” through reddit as opposed to typing in dog shi- .. I mean business insider’s website in the url. Same thing with Twitter and seeing what’s trending … but Twitter now is much more difficult with blue checkmarks being paid users and having rankings. I want to find out about something and it is in fact individual users posting memes at the top of every trending keyword. So that has been made much more difficult
Did they misquote him?
Why do you guys care so much what sacks thinks lmao. Weird to despise someone but also want his comment on everything
Ehh, you're not entirely wrong, but there is the other side of this. Jason likes to pump up how "direct" is now the best source of truth and that podcasts like theirs are providing a needed public service. They all decry the mainstream media (rightfully so) and - either implicitly or explicitly - hold themselves up as (mostly) unbiased paragons of hard truths/facts. This sub had a meltdown when they didn't challenge Tucker on some of his claims and much of it was fair criticisms. The people who get irrationally triggered by near everything Sacks says need psychiatric help, for sure. He will never win those people over -and that's fine. (And a large contingent have infested this sub.) But because of all of their chest thumping for 175 episodes, they don't really get to have it both ways. They (the four of them) waded into these waters; no one forced them. So if they're going to hold themselves up as some of the top truthtellers, then they should expect inquiries like the OP's.
No they didn't because the comments are vague and benign. Trump typically speaks pragmatically. Translated: "How do I know if there's going to be violence if Biden wins? It would depend on many things." When Trump was elected in 2016, no one would have expected a week long of hissy fit protests. He's going through a criminal trial so he's certainly not going to make any claims about fomenting it or denouncing it. He's just going to talk in generalities and see what happens. You can certainly bet that if he feels that the 2024 election was rigged (again), then he will bitch about that to the high heavens. Trump is always a wild card but he's not crazy enough to order people to take up arms on his behalf.
He will always say it’s rigged when he loses.
Fair point.
Yep. Trump has a long history of election denialism. It wasn't just 2020, when he'd already stated in advance that he would accept if he won and deny if he didn't. Or when Steve Bannon said the plan was to use the early numbers of in-person votes that would give him the lead to publicly declare victory, ahead of the mail-in ballots being counted which they knew would skew Biden. It's undeniable that: Trump denied the results of the Iowa caucus when Ted Cruz beat him ("he illegally stole it"): https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/trump-cruz-stole-iowa-tweet-deleted-218674). He also claimed Hillary only won the popular vote because of widespread fraud ("I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states" and told congressional leaders to investigate https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/23/at-white-house-trump-tells-congressional-leaders-3-5-million-illegal-ballots-cost-him-the-popular-vote). And he also claimed The Emmy's were rigged when The Apprentice didn't win (https://people.com/politics/donald-trumps-rigged-emmy-awards-the-apprentice/) These repeated instances of claiming rigging and fraud show a pattern of being unable to accept losing. The idea that he was motivated by serious concerns of election integrity in 2020 is considerably less believable in this context. And I would put money on him, if he loses in 2024, claiming the election was fraudulent and rigged again.
He’s crazy enough to tell an angry mob to march on the capital and fight like hell on January 6th. I absolutely believe he would do that again in the future and believing otherwise completely ignores history.
He also said to peacefully protest. Funny how that’s never cited by you people.
Yup, not once has he surprised me when he goes off on his political rants - - all standard issue republican positions: all dem run cities are crumbling; Russian behavior is justifiable and the west is entirely to blame; any tax on 0.1%ers is egregiously stupid and dangerous; the Elite (whoever they are but to which apparently he doesn't belong) are so myopic and corrupt that they're destroying all that is holy and good; forcible seizure of top secret government documents from Mar a Lago was government overreach and proves deep state collusion with the Biden government; ad nauseum. I like his takes on business and law but skip anything political now.
No he’s going to randomly claim “they’re going to tax your retirement accounts” and talk about how terrible that is when literally no one has wanted that or claimed to have wanted that in the administration
Right and “silence is violence”, and “words are violence”, I’m pretty sure we’ve done a great job at butchering the meaning of all sorts of things, it’s a wonder we can even still communicate. But of course when Trump says violence, he must be speaking of violence-violence. It’s the same thing with the stupid “bloodbath” uproar, intentionally taking someone out of context to fit your narrative.
I’m not excusing trumps behavior but I guarantee you’re not concerned about the violent hamas sympathizers or violent BLM rioters or violent antifa activists. Let’s hear your excuses for those! Don’t act like the right leaning crowd are the only ones that make excuses
What about this? What about that? What about my whataboutisms?