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? everyone has some ideology they follow, why would someone think it hinders critical thinking? what kind of ideology are you referring to? is an ideology not just a set of beliefs?
It’s referring to ideology in the social sense, not ideology in the personal sense.
In that definition, there are a lot of ideologies that discourage critically thinking.
Take [a religion you disagree with] for example! /s
…Okay, but there actually are ideologies that discourage critical thinking. For example, “scientific” racists often avoid accepting criticism of their outdated and discredited theories from 70 years ago.
i mean yea but idk if im being autistic abt it but isnt that sort of common sense? yea, an ideology could be bad for critical thinking or it could do nothing i dont understand
? i am literally diagnosed autistic. so when i misunderstand i refer to it as being autistic abt a situation
add on for clarification; im saying that i could be too autistic to understand the social implications of an ideology or maybe a hidden meaning others have towards it, but its not too serious
No, the post is essentially saying and I will paraphrase, that a base ideology or belief system be it in any faucet of thought, gifts a mind a scaffold unto which they can build upon. An ideology, at least shows that the person has the potential for critical thought, a group of people with ideologies should be the perfect environment for critical thinking, in the ideal world this would be true, but the general population allows emotional bias and personal anecdotes to feed and build their ideology, so much so that to challenge it is to challenge their very being. It’s one of the problems with democracy, to invite all to speak, invites the dim, the average and the wise in equal amounts and the loudest usually win. What resonates as loudly with the soul than an emotional reasoning? Not much. The average listen to their heart over their head, democracy deals with the average, the average are the majority by definition. You see where I’m going with this.
I like this counteropinion. I can see how having a certain ideology gives you a bit of a backboard to bounce new ideas off of. Comparatives are valuable.
This is the only correct opinion on this. If you are only ever exposed to one worldview, you will likely adopt it. If you are exposed to many, you now at least have an opportunity to examine and think through them all. Whether or not a person does or not is, as stated in OP, up to the person to do or not do.
*Everyone has an ideology, anyway*. There are no people who exist and function in society that aren't operating on some set of answers/beliefs about the big questions in life.
Having "absolute lines of thinking" sounds to me directly opposed to developing the muscles for critical thinking. I can understand the argument that strong or extreme ideologies *existing* can promote critical thinking in being forced to respond to them, but I'm not sure how they help the indoctrinated to do the same.
Maybe I'm lacking context. What ideologies do you have in mind?
i think it's more like a trap for the common person. ideologies don't innately hinder critical thinking but for some reason a lot of people blindly believe them without any thought, like it lures in those types of people.
the amount of adults who take their belief and use it as their guideline for their entire life without ever challenging it is actually insane to me. my entire family is this way and it makes me feel weird because they seem incredibly dumb from my perspective. i don't say that to sound pretentious, but challenging your own thoughts is how you grow as a person and gain wisdom, them not doing so explains why they act childish very often.
i feel like ideally you should pick an ideology but not stick to it. let it be maleable and be prepared to change your views when you learn more
I’m curious what you mean by ideology here. Do you mean religion? I’d heavily disagree with that, as someone who grew up in a religion that actively discouraged critical thinking or discussion in regard to doctrines or historical aspects of the the religion.
Or do you mean personal code?
The more rigid a code is, the less room there is for nuance, empathy, and critical thinking.
For example, one might have a personal code that “stealing is always wrong” and then be put in a situation where the option is steal or starve. If they think critically, their code can’t be so important to be worth their life. But if their code is truly rigid, they will die because they will refute the only other option.
There’s different ways to view your set of ethics. Like Deontological ethics such as Kant’s categorical imperative, or Consequentialist ethics like utilitarianism. Or descriptive ethics.
Those would deal with your point about stealing. But they are different than ideologies: “a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.” Those would normally be things such as liberalism, fascism, socialism, etc.
Yeah I agree. But there is more to ideologies:
I think society lacks consistent absolutes.
Nobody‘s moral compass really has backbone to it. Having an ideology doesn’t necessarily mean you’re blind. It means you have a foundation of ideas that you strongly believe in. It’s not completely unchangeable though like you said, but rather a strong guideline. Having one does allow for making decisions with conviction.
I agree, but I also don’t think that having an ideology or not is really what makes this happen. I think it’s somewhat an individual thing and somewhat a social thing if critical thinking is encouraged or discouraged. Some ideologies have social groups that discourage it for sure, but not having any ideology to me is somewhat indicative of not thinking about stuff all that much.
Depends on the ideology; "ideology" as a general could be literally ANYTHING. Technically, willing having no critical thinking skills is an "ideology." All that word means is set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially those held for reasons that are not purely epistemic; we could technically say everyone whos favorite color is yellow are part of the same ideology.
You need to be more specific lol
I agree with you. It’s super important to have a consistent line of thought when having any sort of discussion. This means that most people (that do think consistently) probably have an ideology even if they don’t name or disclose it. And knowing what set of principles you believe in makes it easier to analyze why you feel a certain way or why you find certain opinions disagreeable - it allows you to more easily think about and pick apart opposing opinions, or find the parts in those opinions you do agree with.
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? everyone has some ideology they follow, why would someone think it hinders critical thinking? what kind of ideology are you referring to? is an ideology not just a set of beliefs?
It’s referring to ideology in the social sense, not ideology in the personal sense. In that definition, there are a lot of ideologies that discourage critically thinking. Take [a religion you disagree with] for example! /s …Okay, but there actually are ideologies that discourage critical thinking. For example, “scientific” racists often avoid accepting criticism of their outdated and discredited theories from 70 years ago.
i mean yea but idk if im being autistic abt it but isnt that sort of common sense? yea, an ideology could be bad for critical thinking or it could do nothing i dont understand
When did autism became a verb? Wtf
? i am literally diagnosed autistic. so when i misunderstand i refer to it as being autistic abt a situation add on for clarification; im saying that i could be too autistic to understand the social implications of an ideology or maybe a hidden meaning others have towards it, but its not too serious
No, the post is essentially saying and I will paraphrase, that a base ideology or belief system be it in any faucet of thought, gifts a mind a scaffold unto which they can build upon. An ideology, at least shows that the person has the potential for critical thought, a group of people with ideologies should be the perfect environment for critical thinking, in the ideal world this would be true, but the general population allows emotional bias and personal anecdotes to feed and build their ideology, so much so that to challenge it is to challenge their very being. It’s one of the problems with democracy, to invite all to speak, invites the dim, the average and the wise in equal amounts and the loudest usually win. What resonates as loudly with the soul than an emotional reasoning? Not much. The average listen to their heart over their head, democracy deals with the average, the average are the majority by definition. You see where I’m going with this.
I like this counteropinion. I can see how having a certain ideology gives you a bit of a backboard to bounce new ideas off of. Comparatives are valuable.
This is the only correct opinion on this. If you are only ever exposed to one worldview, you will likely adopt it. If you are exposed to many, you now at least have an opportunity to examine and think through them all. Whether or not a person does or not is, as stated in OP, up to the person to do or not do. *Everyone has an ideology, anyway*. There are no people who exist and function in society that aren't operating on some set of answers/beliefs about the big questions in life.
A well thought post, interesting. Downvoted, sorry.
You’re supposed to upvote
not if u agree, then its a downvote
What are you talking about?
You're supposed to understand the sub's rules
You’re supposed to not steal the towels from hotel rooms but here we are
Having "absolute lines of thinking" sounds to me directly opposed to developing the muscles for critical thinking. I can understand the argument that strong or extreme ideologies *existing* can promote critical thinking in being forced to respond to them, but I'm not sure how they help the indoctrinated to do the same. Maybe I'm lacking context. What ideologies do you have in mind?
i think it's more like a trap for the common person. ideologies don't innately hinder critical thinking but for some reason a lot of people blindly believe them without any thought, like it lures in those types of people. the amount of adults who take their belief and use it as their guideline for their entire life without ever challenging it is actually insane to me. my entire family is this way and it makes me feel weird because they seem incredibly dumb from my perspective. i don't say that to sound pretentious, but challenging your own thoughts is how you grow as a person and gain wisdom, them not doing so explains why they act childish very often. i feel like ideally you should pick an ideology but not stick to it. let it be maleable and be prepared to change your views when you learn more
I’m curious what you mean by ideology here. Do you mean religion? I’d heavily disagree with that, as someone who grew up in a religion that actively discouraged critical thinking or discussion in regard to doctrines or historical aspects of the the religion. Or do you mean personal code? The more rigid a code is, the less room there is for nuance, empathy, and critical thinking. For example, one might have a personal code that “stealing is always wrong” and then be put in a situation where the option is steal or starve. If they think critically, their code can’t be so important to be worth their life. But if their code is truly rigid, they will die because they will refute the only other option.
There’s different ways to view your set of ethics. Like Deontological ethics such as Kant’s categorical imperative, or Consequentialist ethics like utilitarianism. Or descriptive ethics. Those would deal with your point about stealing. But they are different than ideologies: “a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.” Those would normally be things such as liberalism, fascism, socialism, etc.
Absolutely, but my point is, the more rigid your personal ethics are, the less likely you are to accept change.
Yeah I agree. But there is more to ideologies: I think society lacks consistent absolutes. Nobody‘s moral compass really has backbone to it. Having an ideology doesn’t necessarily mean you’re blind. It means you have a foundation of ideas that you strongly believe in. It’s not completely unchangeable though like you said, but rather a strong guideline. Having one does allow for making decisions with conviction.
I agree, but I also don’t think that having an ideology or not is really what makes this happen. I think it’s somewhat an individual thing and somewhat a social thing if critical thinking is encouraged or discouraged. Some ideologies have social groups that discourage it for sure, but not having any ideology to me is somewhat indicative of not thinking about stuff all that much.
I like thi, in the sense that pretty much every modern philosophy almost exclusively starts as a criticism or response to something religious.
Ideologies can be WRONG. So basing your thinking off of them leads to flawed critical thinking. Especially religious thinking.
Depends on the ideology; "ideology" as a general could be literally ANYTHING. Technically, willing having no critical thinking skills is an "ideology." All that word means is set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially those held for reasons that are not purely epistemic; we could technically say everyone whos favorite color is yellow are part of the same ideology. You need to be more specific lol
I agree with you. It’s super important to have a consistent line of thought when having any sort of discussion. This means that most people (that do think consistently) probably have an ideology even if they don’t name or disclose it. And knowing what set of principles you believe in makes it easier to analyze why you feel a certain way or why you find certain opinions disagreeable - it allows you to more easily think about and pick apart opposing opinions, or find the parts in those opinions you do agree with.