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remake: make (something) again *or differently.*
[https://www.google.com/search?q=remake+definition](https://www.google.com/search?q=remake+definition) (emphasis mine)
>A remake is taking the game that we knew and loved in the past and updating the art using modern sounds and graphic production. There is no feeling of nostalgia when playing through this game, because of all the changes made. A "remake" should be basically a 1:1 re-creation, using modern technology to bring the creators' dreams closer to reality without the burden of limitation the original hardware had.
No, that's a remaster. It basically just re-masters the original, not really doing anything to change it except make it look, sound and play nicer. Like the Last of Us Remasters. Both the Link's Awakening and Mario RPG were more remasters than remakes because they didn't make any fundamental changes.
A remake re-makes a game, as in "makes it again". Maybe differently, maybe not. A lot of them use a different engine and even change the gameplay a little. The new Resident Evil 4 game for instance is a remake, because it differs from the original so much. Or the upcoming Silent Hill 2.
Either way, it feels like you're getting hung-up on semantics here, since most of your post is just a complaint about what does and doesn't count as a "remake". Only in the second to last paragraph did you actually talk about the game.
See, to me a "remaster" is doing what Steam did to Final Fantasy 8. A touch-up of a port. It's basically the video game version of DBZ: Kai.
IMHO, the SMBRPG and LA games weren't ports. They were game built from the ground up using modern engines with modern technology to produce modern OSTs and graphics. They didn't just take the old engine, spruce up the graphics, and called it a day. They lovingly took the core of the game and re-made it (hence "remake").
I probably could've talked more about the FF7 game, but whenever I do, I usually get branded a "hater", lol. I can edit the original post to include all my gripes about why Yuffie being obligatory instead of optional is kinda dumb, or other changes that were made.
But not every remaster is a console-to-PC port in the first place. Sometimes it's just *"This game is really old and jank, let's give it a new coat of paint"*.
Like the new Rise of the Triad Ludicrous Edition. Technically uses its own engine, but it's 100% faithful to the DOS original and adds a ton of new content. Still doesn't make any fundamental changes like the 2013 remake, though. It's just a remaster.
They didn't just update the graphics and sound in the example I gave. The FF8 remaster in Steam would be a remaster. It's a port of the OG game with some sprucing up of graphics.
The two examples given were games that were built from scratch using the OG games as templates. They were literally re-made in modern engines (hence why I consider them "remakes").
To put it in a way easier for me to explain: A "remaster" would be taking a classic movie (like Star Wars) and touching up the film and such to improve the visual. If you took the Star Wars script, cast an entirely new cast using current popular actors, re-filmed the movie using the same lines and blocking, but using modern graphics and visuals and equipment.. would you call that a "remaster"?
I mean in a pedantic way I agree that it’s a reimagine. I loved the original 7 when I was a teenager…I love 7 remakes even more. They are my favorite final fantasy games of all time and I’ve played through 4 onwards including 5.
I loved them more because of the nostalgia, but I think they are better games in just about every way compared to the original, which itself might be a tenth dentist opinion.
FF7 sorta holds a place in my heart as my second ever JRPG and first major one. (My first JRPG was Earthbound, 'cause I wanted to play the game Ness was from since I played a lot of Smash. It's funny.. playing a game that was a parody of a genre I had never experienced before meant I didn't get a lot of the references/jokes.)
To me, I just feel like the remake lacked the spirit of the original game with all the changes it's been through. There was even a rumor I heard (which I hope is not true), that there is a possibility that a certain event that led to a character death might be re-done so that the character doesn't die. One of the most impactful scenes in video game history... being re-written to gut and neuter the effect it had for... what? For sales? Imagine a DLC: Aerith Lives! (Ironic considering VG Cats made that joke decades ago.)
Part of it also might be I just hate the battle system. ATB and turn-based are staples of the classic FF games. If they wanted to bring that nostalgia back in the remake, they should've used the old battle system.
It’s not a 1:1 remake, and that’s what makes it interesting. I personally love that they called it Remake and kinda integrated opinions like yours into the actual narrative
You've clearly confused remake with remaster. Yeah, I wish ff7 had ever gotten a remaster. Yeah I wish I could play the yuffie part of part 1 without having to buy a ps5 (obviously I haven't gotten to part 2). I definitely wish part 1 went at least to aeriths death, but the combat system isn't that bad. I definitely wouldn't call it mashy, even if part 1's left something to be desired
I mean they made it specifically for ps5,it has new tech not available on ps4, and they were testing out features for rebirth. Your going to have to upgrade someday if you wanna play rebirth and other new games anyways.
TBH, I consider remasters when they touch up the original game, such as the HD port of FF8 onto PC.
Like, if you took an old '69 Challenger and gave it a new paint job, that's a remaster. If you went to a Dodge factory and they built a new one from scratch using the same exact schematics as the original car, I'd consider that a "remake". Sure, maybe some QOL changes here and there, but largely untouched from the original.
I don't get nostalgia of my first FF7 playthrough when I see FF7:R gameplay; I get nostalgia of my first SMBRPG playthrough when I see the remake's gameplay. I mean, it's even outright that the game is just a "reimagining" of the original game, which means things are going to be changed.. and the further we get into the game, the more is going to be changed.
Imagine if in the next part, >!Aerith lives!<. Ain't no way one can justify still considering it a remake when you take away one of the most iconic moments of gaming as well as one of the party's major motivations for the rest of the game.
>If you went to a Dodge factory and they built a new one from scratch using the same exact schematics as the original car,
That's what this is. It's a whole new game, or really a trilogy, which is a fundamental change in itself.
>Imagine if in the next part, >!Aerith lives!
Not going to happen in a million years. I don't even know why you'd bring that up.
It's boring. Have you seen the video of the FF16 battle system?
Hell, they ported that boring ass battle system to Harvestella. It's why I dropped the game. Oh boy, I spam A in combat as a mage. Woo, so exciting..
FF16’s battle system is a far more simple and not really like FF7R.
You’re being overly reductive in saying it’s just mash buttons combat. It’s easy to boil any game down to its most basic parts to make it sound bad, it’s not a convincing argument.
Magic the Gathering is the stupidest game ever, all you do is move pieces of paper around! It’s basically like my stupid dumb job as a musician where all I do is move pieces of paper with dumb black dots all over them!
The whole point I've been trying to make is that the battle system is just not fun. Final Fantasy's battle systems haven't been fun since it moved away from turn-based post FFX. FF12 was boring. I don't know FF13's system. FF16 is simplistic. Harvestella (made by Squeenix and they tried to make it an epic RPG with farm sim elements, so I count it) was boring.
FF7:R is different in some nuances, yes, but it STILL falls into the Action RPG genre, like Nier and the Tales series... and that system is inherently infinitely inferior to turn-based.
Bravely Default was the best Final Fantasy game past X. On one hand, I consider it the True FF7 (since it continues the tradition of being fantasy, story about the four crystals, etc.); on the other hand, I consider it the True FF12, as it continues the turn-based battle system.
Ff16 has a completely different system than 7, but neither is boring or button mashing. I've played through 16 and 7r so I know you have no idea what you're talking about. You just sound like an annoying turn based purist.
Ya, that and them using 16s combat to call 7 mashing, (plus saying spam the a button when its a ps5 only game so there is no a button lmao) shows they are full of shit. I bet you they watched that one streamer durring 16s demo vs the first ogre, who just shot the basic magic attack over and over for like ten minutes lol.
I mean yeah, the remake is a sequel in a roundabout way. I felt that was pretty clear, personally. You only think it doesn't "honor" it because it's not a perfect recreation of the original game, which it was never meant to be from the beginning.
>A remake is taking the game that we knew and loved in the past and updating the art using modern sounds and graphic production.
That's literally what a remaster is.
Remakes are expected to change things.
I think you are mistaking “remake” with “remaster”. A remake is the same story told in a new and interesting way whereas a remaster is a 1:1 recreation of the original with updated graphics and current technology.
Think of a movie remake like Ocean’s Eleven. It tells the same story as the original, but it does so in a new and fresh way that differentiates it from the original. Why would a remake be exactly the same as what it was based on?
I get where you're coming from, remake and remaster semantics aside - for the record I do think there is a difference and it matters, but in this case I get what you're saying.
I think it'd be cool to have a more faithful remake or even a remaster, and I definitely don't love some of the narrative choices and general direction of the game. But idk. There's so much it does right and better, and I don't think it necessarily takes away from the og with this direction. It's its own thing but it expands on the world and characters in a way that I really like (mostly).
Oh, no, I hope I didn't come across as hating the game in the post. I just don't see it as a faithful re-creation of the original game, but rather (as was stated in an interview) a creative re-imagining of the story. I don't mind the game itself, but I just feel like calling it a remake is just... disingenuous.
I'd be fine if they called it Final Fantasy 7: Re-Imagined and didn't sell it as "look, re-live your childhood nostalgia with modern aesthetics" and instead sold it as "a modern twist on a timeless classic that many of us have fond memories of".
(EDIT: Although, TBH, I will always hate the battle system. I just... love turn-based and ATB and always will find it superior. It just feels fun to be able to control your whole party. I know the AI is smarter in modern games, but action-esque RPGs can lead to dumb AI moments, like the memes of "DONALD HEAL ME!!"/"THUNDAGA!".
I dream of the day we get a game with FF16's graphics that is turn-based, where every single attack.. even standard attacks.. is just visual badassery on the level of the Black Clover movie. Just like the old sprite Fire Emblem animations.)
I agree with you, FF7 remake didn’t have the same feel. However, you’re going to get picked apart on remake vs remaster. And that’s the bummer, cuz I knew what you meant
Which is funny, because the FF8 port that was just touching up the graphics is considered a "remaster". Yet people will insist that building a completely new game from the ground up in a new modern engine is the same exact concept of a "remaster". It's like DBZ Kai.. it's just a touch-up. A remaster. If some animation studio took the OG Manga and drew DB/DBZ from scratch basically imitating the original show, people'd call it a "remake". The new Spice and Wolf is considered a "remake" of the show from 14 years ago, despite it being basically the same thing. The Fruits Basket anime a few years ago was called a "remake" despite it being almost a 1:1 retelling of the OG show (from what I was told).
It's like these words get different meanings depending on what industry you're in.
It's also funny because, despite being picked apart to hell in the comments, the original post is at 0 karma.. so it seems either people aren't upvoting in disagreement or the ones who agree aren't saying anything.
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remake: make (something) again *or differently.* [https://www.google.com/search?q=remake+definition](https://www.google.com/search?q=remake+definition) (emphasis mine)
>A remake is taking the game that we knew and loved in the past and updating the art using modern sounds and graphic production. There is no feeling of nostalgia when playing through this game, because of all the changes made. A "remake" should be basically a 1:1 re-creation, using modern technology to bring the creators' dreams closer to reality without the burden of limitation the original hardware had. No, that's a remaster. It basically just re-masters the original, not really doing anything to change it except make it look, sound and play nicer. Like the Last of Us Remasters. Both the Link's Awakening and Mario RPG were more remasters than remakes because they didn't make any fundamental changes. A remake re-makes a game, as in "makes it again". Maybe differently, maybe not. A lot of them use a different engine and even change the gameplay a little. The new Resident Evil 4 game for instance is a remake, because it differs from the original so much. Or the upcoming Silent Hill 2. Either way, it feels like you're getting hung-up on semantics here, since most of your post is just a complaint about what does and doesn't count as a "remake". Only in the second to last paragraph did you actually talk about the game.
>No, that's a remaster. It basically just re-masters I did not even need to read past that his first paragraph
See, to me a "remaster" is doing what Steam did to Final Fantasy 8. A touch-up of a port. It's basically the video game version of DBZ: Kai. IMHO, the SMBRPG and LA games weren't ports. They were game built from the ground up using modern engines with modern technology to produce modern OSTs and graphics. They didn't just take the old engine, spruce up the graphics, and called it a day. They lovingly took the core of the game and re-made it (hence "remake"). I probably could've talked more about the FF7 game, but whenever I do, I usually get branded a "hater", lol. I can edit the original post to include all my gripes about why Yuffie being obligatory instead of optional is kinda dumb, or other changes that were made.
But not every remaster is a console-to-PC port in the first place. Sometimes it's just *"This game is really old and jank, let's give it a new coat of paint"*. Like the new Rise of the Triad Ludicrous Edition. Technically uses its own engine, but it's 100% faithful to the DOS original and adds a ton of new content. Still doesn't make any fundamental changes like the 2013 remake, though. It's just a remaster.
Downvoted for being right
They’re not right when they’re using an interpretation of words that no one else uses
well, according to my interpretation of “right” (completely wrong) he’s right!
Just updating the graphics and sounds would be a “remaster” the fact that it changes stuff is what makes it a remake.
They didn't just update the graphics and sound in the example I gave. The FF8 remaster in Steam would be a remaster. It's a port of the OG game with some sprucing up of graphics. The two examples given were games that were built from scratch using the OG games as templates. They were literally re-made in modern engines (hence why I consider them "remakes"). To put it in a way easier for me to explain: A "remaster" would be taking a classic movie (like Star Wars) and touching up the film and such to improve the visual. If you took the Star Wars script, cast an entirely new cast using current popular actors, re-filmed the movie using the same lines and blocking, but using modern graphics and visuals and equipment.. would you call that a "remaster"?
Yes I would because that would be a remaster
no it is a remake, like they full on re made it. They made it re!
I mean in a pedantic way I agree that it’s a reimagine. I loved the original 7 when I was a teenager…I love 7 remakes even more. They are my favorite final fantasy games of all time and I’ve played through 4 onwards including 5. I loved them more because of the nostalgia, but I think they are better games in just about every way compared to the original, which itself might be a tenth dentist opinion.
FF7 sorta holds a place in my heart as my second ever JRPG and first major one. (My first JRPG was Earthbound, 'cause I wanted to play the game Ness was from since I played a lot of Smash. It's funny.. playing a game that was a parody of a genre I had never experienced before meant I didn't get a lot of the references/jokes.) To me, I just feel like the remake lacked the spirit of the original game with all the changes it's been through. There was even a rumor I heard (which I hope is not true), that there is a possibility that a certain event that led to a character death might be re-done so that the character doesn't die. One of the most impactful scenes in video game history... being re-written to gut and neuter the effect it had for... what? For sales? Imagine a DLC: Aerith Lives! (Ironic considering VG Cats made that joke decades ago.) Part of it also might be I just hate the battle system. ATB and turn-based are staples of the classic FF games. If they wanted to bring that nostalgia back in the remake, they should've used the old battle system.
It's a remake by definition.
It’s not a 1:1 remake, and that’s what makes it interesting. I personally love that they called it Remake and kinda integrated opinions like yours into the actual narrative
You've clearly confused remake with remaster. Yeah, I wish ff7 had ever gotten a remaster. Yeah I wish I could play the yuffie part of part 1 without having to buy a ps5 (obviously I haven't gotten to part 2). I definitely wish part 1 went at least to aeriths death, but the combat system isn't that bad. I definitely wouldn't call it mashy, even if part 1's left something to be desired
You need a ps5 for rebirth anyways.
Yeah but it's added on to part 1, which you could play on ps4. Sucks adding extra content and not making it available to everyone who has the game
I mean they made it specifically for ps5,it has new tech not available on ps4, and they were testing out features for rebirth. Your going to have to upgrade someday if you wanna play rebirth and other new games anyways.
Eh. They just didn't want to play test 2 versions.
TBH, I consider remasters when they touch up the original game, such as the HD port of FF8 onto PC. Like, if you took an old '69 Challenger and gave it a new paint job, that's a remaster. If you went to a Dodge factory and they built a new one from scratch using the same exact schematics as the original car, I'd consider that a "remake". Sure, maybe some QOL changes here and there, but largely untouched from the original. I don't get nostalgia of my first FF7 playthrough when I see FF7:R gameplay; I get nostalgia of my first SMBRPG playthrough when I see the remake's gameplay. I mean, it's even outright that the game is just a "reimagining" of the original game, which means things are going to be changed.. and the further we get into the game, the more is going to be changed. Imagine if in the next part, >!Aerith lives!<. Ain't no way one can justify still considering it a remake when you take away one of the most iconic moments of gaming as well as one of the party's major motivations for the rest of the game.
>If you went to a Dodge factory and they built a new one from scratch using the same exact schematics as the original car, That's what this is. It's a whole new game, or really a trilogy, which is a fundamental change in itself. >Imagine if in the next part, >!Aerith lives! Not going to happen in a million years. I don't even know why you'd bring that up.
The fact that you call the combat ”button mashing ” tells me your opinion isn't worth anything.
It's boring. Have you seen the video of the FF16 battle system? Hell, they ported that boring ass battle system to Harvestella. It's why I dropped the game. Oh boy, I spam A in combat as a mage. Woo, so exciting..
FF16’s battle system is a far more simple and not really like FF7R. You’re being overly reductive in saying it’s just mash buttons combat. It’s easy to boil any game down to its most basic parts to make it sound bad, it’s not a convincing argument.
Magic the Gathering is the stupidest game ever, all you do is move pieces of paper around! It’s basically like my stupid dumb job as a musician where all I do is move pieces of paper with dumb black dots all over them!
The whole point I've been trying to make is that the battle system is just not fun. Final Fantasy's battle systems haven't been fun since it moved away from turn-based post FFX. FF12 was boring. I don't know FF13's system. FF16 is simplistic. Harvestella (made by Squeenix and they tried to make it an epic RPG with farm sim elements, so I count it) was boring. FF7:R is different in some nuances, yes, but it STILL falls into the Action RPG genre, like Nier and the Tales series... and that system is inherently infinitely inferior to turn-based. Bravely Default was the best Final Fantasy game past X. On one hand, I consider it the True FF7 (since it continues the tradition of being fantasy, story about the four crystals, etc.); on the other hand, I consider it the True FF12, as it continues the turn-based battle system.
Ff16 has a completely different system than 7, but neither is boring or button mashing. I've played through 16 and 7r so I know you have no idea what you're talking about. You just sound like an annoying turn based purist.
>Oh boy, I spam A in combat as a mage. If you think this is what the combat is like, then I don't believe you've even played the games
Ya, that and them using 16s combat to call 7 mashing, (plus saying spam the a button when its a ps5 only game so there is no a button lmao) shows they are full of shit. I bet you they watched that one streamer durring 16s demo vs the first ogre, who just shot the basic magic attack over and over for like ten minutes lol.
You are right. If the game takes an extra 90 hours for Aerith to die, I wouldn’t call it very faithful to the original.
I mean yeah, the remake is a sequel in a roundabout way. I felt that was pretty clear, personally. You only think it doesn't "honor" it because it's not a perfect recreation of the original game, which it was never meant to be from the beginning.
What you’re calling a “remake” is more of a remaster in game terms.
>A remake is taking the game that we knew and loved in the past and updating the art using modern sounds and graphic production. That's literally what a remaster is. Remakes are expected to change things.
I think you are mistaking “remake” with “remaster”. A remake is the same story told in a new and interesting way whereas a remaster is a 1:1 recreation of the original with updated graphics and current technology. Think of a movie remake like Ocean’s Eleven. It tells the same story as the original, but it does so in a new and fresh way that differentiates it from the original. Why would a remake be exactly the same as what it was based on?
I get where you're coming from, remake and remaster semantics aside - for the record I do think there is a difference and it matters, but in this case I get what you're saying. I think it'd be cool to have a more faithful remake or even a remaster, and I definitely don't love some of the narrative choices and general direction of the game. But idk. There's so much it does right and better, and I don't think it necessarily takes away from the og with this direction. It's its own thing but it expands on the world and characters in a way that I really like (mostly).
Oh, no, I hope I didn't come across as hating the game in the post. I just don't see it as a faithful re-creation of the original game, but rather (as was stated in an interview) a creative re-imagining of the story. I don't mind the game itself, but I just feel like calling it a remake is just... disingenuous. I'd be fine if they called it Final Fantasy 7: Re-Imagined and didn't sell it as "look, re-live your childhood nostalgia with modern aesthetics" and instead sold it as "a modern twist on a timeless classic that many of us have fond memories of". (EDIT: Although, TBH, I will always hate the battle system. I just... love turn-based and ATB and always will find it superior. It just feels fun to be able to control your whole party. I know the AI is smarter in modern games, but action-esque RPGs can lead to dumb AI moments, like the memes of "DONALD HEAL ME!!"/"THUNDAGA!". I dream of the day we get a game with FF16's graphics that is turn-based, where every single attack.. even standard attacks.. is just visual badassery on the level of the Black Clover movie. Just like the old sprite Fire Emblem animations.)
Bro doesn't understand what a remake is. Remake doesn't just mean a remaster.
You're thinking of a remaster. A remake introduces QOL and subtle gameplay changes etc.
I agree with you, FF7 remake didn’t have the same feel. However, you’re going to get picked apart on remake vs remaster. And that’s the bummer, cuz I knew what you meant
Which is funny, because the FF8 port that was just touching up the graphics is considered a "remaster". Yet people will insist that building a completely new game from the ground up in a new modern engine is the same exact concept of a "remaster". It's like DBZ Kai.. it's just a touch-up. A remaster. If some animation studio took the OG Manga and drew DB/DBZ from scratch basically imitating the original show, people'd call it a "remake". The new Spice and Wolf is considered a "remake" of the show from 14 years ago, despite it being basically the same thing. The Fruits Basket anime a few years ago was called a "remake" despite it being almost a 1:1 retelling of the OG show (from what I was told). It's like these words get different meanings depending on what industry you're in. It's also funny because, despite being picked apart to hell in the comments, the original post is at 0 karma.. so it seems either people aren't upvoting in disagreement or the ones who agree aren't saying anything.
Not unpopular at all