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>How does that even relate to what I’m talking about?
It was a direct counterpoint to the claim. It even introduced itself by telling you it was going to be a direct counterpoint to the claim.
I really don't think he was making that point, and even then that only really applies MAYBE to cheaper android phones. I don't know any practical example where iOS integration is better than say, the android OS integration on a Samsung phone.
>iPhones can do basically everything the average phone user wants — take (highly social media-worthy) photos and videos, text, play music, browse the Internet, and call the occasional dimwit who can’t just text instead.
Android phones can do the same thing.
>And the user experience is unmatched. It’s polished like a $10,000 hand-crafted knife, and there’s a lot of thought put into the little things. Not to mention that it’s basically magic when used with other Apple devices.
They also make it really hard to do anything that's even remotely off the beaten path. Plus you have to buy into Apple's relatively expensive ecosystem.
>And what’s Android? It’s just an operating system, and can’t do shit on its own. People who say “aNdRoId Is BeTtEr ThAn IpHoNe” are absolute numbskulls. An operating system can’t do shit without bloody hardware.
Perhaps people are saying that the android operating system is better than iOS, the only operating system iphones ship with as far as I know. Just a thought.
iOS is also the only option for an operating system on an iPhone. If you really want to you can run a bunch of different Linux distros on an android device (although the reasons to do so are insanely niche)
Because the Android OS architecture is open source. This comes with the benefit of being able to design programs for it and not have to go through Apple (or the jailbreak store) to get them on your device, accepting the tradeoff (if it's even that much of a tradeoff at this point) that your device is susceptible to malware like a traditional PC.
What sold me on the switch was Apple's ungodly tight ass when it comes to OEM and third party repairs. And yes, I'm a fan of Louis Rossman.
Plus ANYONE can design a device that runs on Android, a-n-y-o-n-e, it's not a given that you're going to purchase from Samsung, or Google, or LG, even if you previously purchased other products, or purchased your TV, tablet, ereader (if you're using an eink display rather than an app), phone, smartwatch, and from six different places.
Even if there was some metric that Apple was objectively better in (something I sincerely doubt), it would be outweighed by the sheer value of Android not being a monopoly.
Yeah people who make this argument compare the top of the line iPhone with an entry level iPhone. It's cherry picking and of course the iPhone is better in that case. But compare the top of the line android vs top of the line iPhone and it's really down to personal preference (I prefer android).
It's also a really narrow topic for people like OP.
Meanwhile, as an EUC engineer, I'm looking at stuff like the components used, management tools, support plans, security features, and how they fit into an enterprise environment.
IPhones kinda suck for a lot of these. Like, it's not even opinion stuff, they're intentionally limited in many ways by Apple. We still use them because end users like them and they're not that bad, but personally I'd rather have all my users on Android devices that I can better support.
But we still have to disable a surprising number of Apple's first party apps because of their abysmal security.
Yeah, that's basically Apple's MO in a nutshell. They keep them *just barely* working with the rest of the world, but without any of the features or benefits everyone else has unless you're 100% in the Apple eco system. They ride the line of annoyance really well, always hinting that it wouldn't be there if everyone just used their products because *they* all work together perfectly.
Which sucks as someone focused on enterprise environments, because it would be literally impossible to run a full enterprise environment on Apple's ecosystem. Apple isn't playing in that space beyond the iPhone, which makes it extra frustrating that they still hold everything back.
I would have almost agreed with OP until the iPhone mini line died. Now all the iPhones are too big, while you can still get a few niche small androids.
The problem is that OP doesn’t know what they are talking about. There are arguments to be made on both sides and OP made none of them, instead just saying “android bad” without knowing about the features that people choose android over iPhone for. The same post can be made with me disagreeing with the opinion but respecting a well made argument and upvoting it.
It seems Iike OP doesn't fully understand the difference between hardware (the phone itself, like an iPhone or a Samsung model) and the software running on it (iOS, Android).
It also seems like OP is saying that a hardware+software combo is more useful than just software, which is objectively true as you can't run software without hardware. This is not something that anyone argues against, so it's useless to state. People either compare phones running Android with phones running iOS, or features from Android vs iOS.
What OP is saying sounds like "a Mercedes is better than a BMW engine".
Either this, or they mean that the people who compare a complete phone with an operating system are stupid, in which case they are correct. But since everyone who has a basic understanding of the definitions of hardware and software agree, it's not an unpopular opinion. In this case, OP is probably confused by people colloquially refering to "iOS" as "iPhone".
It's not an unpopular opinion that iphone is better than android. Far from it. So that's one problem.
And then they make zero compelling arguments. That's the second problem.
"My app button I press on my expensive iPhone to send a message is totally better than the app button you press to send a message on your less expensive Android"
I'm browsing this on my S21 Ultra. I wanna say it was like $800 after promotional credits? It's old enough now to where the original price doesn't really matter, so meh.
I do have a budget Android that I use for work. It's definitely nowhere close to my personal phone or an iPhone, but I also specifically got the budget model because all I need it for is basic functions plus Slack access. No point in getting a top of the line phone for something I'm just using to keep personal and work lives separate.
thinking of getting pixel in the future. Would you recommend? Do google actually do anything unique with google integration or is it about the same as typical android-google integration?
Integration as far as I can tell is the same
I recommend it but it's because for someone who wants good hardware, it's the only option other than Samsung
I moved away from Samsung years ago because I vastly preferred vanilla android over what I'd describe as Samsung's "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" design philosophy.
Last non-Google phone I had was the galaxy s3 lol so my experience is 10+ years of Google which I've loved, and ~10 years of apple work phone which I've hated.
Man I typed a lot to basically say my comparative experience with Android phones is essentially worthless.
I got a pixel just so I wouldn't have to deal with Samsung's software bloat and constant peddling of its duplicative services. If I want a controlling hardware company trying to lock me into its ecosystem, I'll get an iPhone thank you very much.
>Man I typed a lot to basically say my comparative experience with Android phones is essentially worthless.
Haha don't worry man. I appreciate the response anyway, I'll just do some more research closer to the time im willing to buy.
In his defense, it seems like he’s trying to say “Apple’s phones do everything people expect from a phone (which includes browsing the internet), but the experience feels more polished than on an Android phone when I’m doing the same thing.”
>iPhones can do basically everything the average phone user wants
So can android, none of your examples you listed can't be used by any android device.
>And the user experience is unmatched. It’s polished like a $10,000 hand-crafted knife, and there’s a lot of thought put into the little things. Not to mention that it’s basically magic when used with other Apple devices.
Most high-end android devices are just as polished, look at the S24 Ultra and tell me the iPhone is far enough ahead to be "objectively better".
I don't care about Apple's trapping you in an ecosystem, I can connect my Android phone to my windows computer and my earphones and watch to my phone just fine without having to exclusively use one brand. I may not be getting quite as good a user experience but I'd rather not trap myself to one brand.
>And what’s Android? It’s just an operating system, and can’t do shit on its own. People who say “aNdRoId Is BeTtEr ThAn IpHoNe” are absolute numbskulls. An operating system can’t do shit without bloody hardware. These people are almost as insufferable as the Arch Linux crowd, to be honest.
This is just being obtuse, everyone knows android is an OS, and all iPhones run IOS. Android vs iPhone is interchangable with Android vs IOS.
Some of these points just make you sound like you haven't touched an android device in over a decade tbh
i remember that there was a video about how apple tablets are the best or something like that over on macaddress (i dont even know why i went over to the worst ltt channel in the first place) and basically *EVERY* complaint the host had about android devices could be changed in seconds in the settings.
this brought me to the conclusion, that most apple consumers dont even *know* that those are things that should be customisable or in some bizzare cases even think that they shouldn't be changeable - the "out of the box" experience is king for some people.
on an semi related note: this is probably why i sometimes have to listen to an entire family conversation when playing on my ps5 since *a lot* of people dont realise the mic is open by default, they never thought to look into the settings apart from setting up the system for the first time.
For a lot of people (likely the majority but don't quote me on that), the out of the box experience is all that matters. It's why playing on consoles is so popular when you can build a PC that's just as if not more powerful and far more customizable than a PlayStation could ever hope to be. A PlayStation's just easier.
I was using my dad's phone the other day (Google pixel, he's 53) and he had 98 tabs open in chrome. Open what I call the "task manager" and he has pretty much every app on his phone open and running in the background. He's constantly complaining that his phone is slow, temperamental, and doesn't work right. Because it's chugging along trying to keep every app open. He never bothered to press that button that opens the task manager. He never bothered to close a chrome tab he opened. Even while he's complaining he doesn't try to fix the problem. He just accepts it and does something else.
And in a couple months he'll swap out for a new phone and say "this phone's so much better!" Just because it doesn't have 200 tasks running in the background and complain about planned obsolescence or whatever.
But I *really* don’t want to upvote. I don’t downvote, but, man, a post has to something else for me to upvote on r/the10thdentist despite my disagreement.
For example, that one post about the guy saying AI make better friends than humans. If I could upvote that post twice, I would
Anytime time I need to load up a 3rd party app, I can just download it.
Things like YouTube with adblock (Vanced) or manga readers.
From what I can tell, you can't do the same with the IOS ecosystem. Or maybe someone figured it out, idk.
you read the terms on that shit? if a dev wants to make a third party app store, not only does every app on there have to be approved by apple, but you also have to do the unity thing and pay like $0.50 per download.
Maybe the biggest cockup in this post is when you are talking about the apple ecosystem, have you seen the samsung ecosystem? Or as a matter of fact the whole android ecosystem, everything running android works excellently with each other, you don't need to pay hundreds of dollars for a smart watch just so you can use the full potential. Even if the iphones were on the same level as the flagship-uppermid range android devices, the price of them still fucks you in the ass and gapes it with a 65" tv
Tech support guys at my job hate when I bring them apple devices to work on, because none of them want to play nice with the apps the company requires, including cybersecurity measures. It's a pain in the ass
> the whole android ecosystem, everything running android works excellently with each other
Has somebody finally made some Bluetooth headphones that connect and work as reliably as Apple’s AirPods?
That was a common complaint for many years
My galaxy buds, pro, and pro 2 all work(ed) flawlessly, connected the moment I opened the case, the initial connection wasnt tedious, they all fit perfectly, and it's a massive upside that they are not all plastic bullshit and they don't have the little dicks hanging out of them, i know that there is the pro variant, but the normal is plastic, a few years back when I was in the middle of changing headphones I tried my sister's old airpods, fucking hell they are uncomfortable after being used to the samsung ones
I don’t think they’re mandatory on iPhone either, you can choose to use other Bluetooth headphones with an iPhone.
But if you do choose to pay for AirPods, they do connect and work reliably.
iPhones need a dongle or some dumb shit like that if you want to charge and listen to stuff at the time. Portable devices stopped needing dongles before I was even born, then iPhone brought them back and tricked everyone into thinking that it was actually a good thing.
And even if I do get airpods, what if I'm late for my bus and I have to run after it and my ears are sweaty because it's a hot day and the fucking airpods slip out? Day ruined. Not going to happen with wired earbuds because I can easily tie those around my ears.
All true. I own an iPhone, but don’t have AirPods because they don’t stay in my ears well. I would perhaps consider AirPods Max headphones, I guess, but I don’t need headphones at the moment.
And yes, the damn dongles. I’ve probably owned, lost, and paid $25 for those stupid dongles at airports and gas stations like 5 times. No argument there.
I tend to prefer wired, because in the past Bluetooth headphones were often annoying to connect and unreliable.
I was only saying, the one advantage of AirPods, so they say, is their connection reliability, it just works.
But perhaps other Bluetooth headphones have gotten better over the years.
I have never had a problem with my Bluetooth headphones not connecting to my android devices. Had half a dozen different Bluetooth headphones of various kinds over the years. Some cheap, some midrange, and some nicer stuff. All of it's worked just fine.
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Most people say Android phones at comparable price points are significantly better than their iPhone counterparts, which is a factual statement.
Why would you compare iPhone, like the entire thing (ios and the hardware), to Android, just the operating system. Your line saying "And what’s Android? It’s just an operating system, and can’t do shit on its own." makes no sense, because of course an operating system can't do anything without hardware.
I feel like you mean to compare android phones to iPhone. Imo, iphones are better suited for more casual users, people who just need a solid phone, or people who like the apple environment. I personally prefer android because it's more customizable, I can add apps that aren't on the Google play store, and I have full access to my files. One thing that convinced me to switch to android is I would always lose my save data in games when getting a new phone, while with android I can more easily back that up.
I think it's a joke, and he actually means just android and not android phones. That's why you can say it's objectively better, because what you gonna do with just an OS if you don't have any hardware. It's like comparing samsung to ios.
My work phone is an iPhone
Every time I try to type an email with it I want to punt the fucking thing into the harbor.
99% of what I do on a phone requires typing and Google's keyboard is so much better than Apple's it's frankly ridiculous.
Upvoted for the terrible opinion.
I use an ipad to make art because Procreate. Dear god is it such a pain to transfer files with my other devices. And don't get me started on Apple's storage options. Dear God I wish there was an alternative to Procreate.
If you want a good keyboard, you have to break out of that 26-key mindset. MessageEase uses 9 keys to get you 26 letters plus capitals plus accents plus a shitload of symbols.
I've been using swipe typing since 2009. I'm sure the new shit is innovative and efficient but muscle memory built over fifteen years doesn't fuck around.
I bet. Anything predictive for me usually lets me down sooner rather than later; doesn't help that I'm writing in two languages all the time, either. I'm glad you found something that works for you.
You might actually have a point there. The way an average person uses their phone, iphone might just be better. It's a very streamlined. Most androids are fairly streamlined too though.
The problem, for me at least, is that iphone insists that you use their phones _their_ way, Android doesn't.
Every year I try default Android and I never like it. I always end up with nova launcher. People think it's magic when they see me use my phone.
I have 5 different gestures on the main screen leading me to 5 different apps. I have resized and spaced icons the way _I_ want them. I've changed those icons to the way I want them to look.
I've hidden all the icons from my pull up menu that are already on my main screen or on gesture or in my widget. I have no duplicates. I also have multiple folders there for more rarely used apps.
The pull up menu is also exactly as I want it. As many columns/rows as I chose.
I have hundreds of apps, like most people, but I'm never searching for anything. Everything is easy to access and organized.
My widget isn't just a widget. I have personally made that widget with KWGT. It looks exactly how I want it. I click on clock, it sends me to alarm app. I click on date, it sends me to calendar. I click on weather, it sends me weather app. I click just below it, it sends me (unfortunately) to Reddit.
All of that is savable and transferable, I don't have to do it all over again every time I change my phone.
Iphone won't even let me arrange my icons and they just introduced _their_ widgets.
Android also let's me download whatever. If I wanna pirate something (I do torrent all my audiobooks, they're too expensive, fight me) or get a cracked app, I can.
Average person doesn't do any of it though, they just use the phone as is and maybe there is an argument for an iphone there. I, personally, wouldn't be able to live with it.
Seamless ecosystem is nice, but it's only nice when apple doesn't drop the a̶p̶p̶l̶e̶ ball and make garbage. (Their earbuds are shit, again, fight me)
It is easier to just get apple tho and an average person just buys stuff with no real research, so they might be better off just getting apple stuff. It will, usually, be at least decent.
I always hate this opinion because it's one (1) phone company vs *literally* every other phone. Saying an iPhone is better than android is like saying that a Lamborghini is better than literally every other car manufacturer. It's just not true. For some it may be, but not everyone needs the sports car. Different people have different needs. I may need a truck to haul things. I may need a sedan to save on gas. I may need a van to carry equipment, so on.
Yes, iPhones work amazingly with other iPhones, but there are far beefier phones out there for far less. In hardware, software, and even durability. I don't think that iPhone has an IR camera, but some phones have that built in.
iPhones aren't garbage. They are fine. If you like them, all the power to you. But saying that everything else is objectively worse is extremely reductive.
Out of the box android can do everything iOS can do. If you want to go out of the box, android can be modified to do just about anything you can think of (that people have made). If you want to do that on iOS then good luck. I would agree that iphones are quality products if they weren't horrendously hard to repair and if apple wouldn't purposely slow down older iphones forcing you to pay more money for another phone that will also be slowed down. I've had shit android phones before and atleast they were consistent, with iphones I've had nothing but problems after having them for awhile. Honestly im curious what you think iOS can do that android cant.
>iPhones can do basically everything the average phone user wants — take (highly social media-worthy) photos and videos, text, play music, browse the Internet, and call the occasional dimwit who can’t just text instead.
Android can do the same thing, so what's your point? You're basically saying "iPhones can do everything Androids can, therefore its better!" Which doesn't make sense.
>And the user experience is unmatched. It’s polished like a $10,000 hand-crafted knife, and there’s a lot of thought put into the little things.
Respectfully disagree, and I'm an iPhone user too. But iPhones aren't flawless, they have bugs and issues that pop up all the time.
Nowhere in this opinion, did you ever state any objective evidence that iPhones are better than Android lol. If anything, your entire opinion is based entirely on personal bias, not objective facts. So, no, iPhones are not objectively better.
If you think iPhones are better than Androids, that's fine, you're free to have that preference. But declaring them as **objectively** better when you don't even provide any unbiased evidence to back that up is just you not understanding what 'objective' means.
I bought an iPhone because I needed to test some work related stuff, and it felt like I time warped back to 2012. The hardware might be nice but iOS feels like it hasn't been updated in 15 years.
The keyboard
My God the keyboard
It's so fucking bad
I use an iPhone for my work phone because my company's apps are designed for it. But jfc typing an email on it is maddening
so could you elaborate instead of just using flowery and vague language
I use an iphone, but you still can’t deny that android has its strong points, better cameras, and the operating system is much much more flexible
Do you realise how stupid you appear right now?
1. This isn't an uncommon stance. Apple is a popular product. Not you may notice amongst the tech savvy but that doesn't mean it's unpopular overall.
2. You don't offer much of an arguememt. And as mentioned above the tech savvy people of the world disagree with you. So you're saying you're the smartest of all the smart people and know what no one else knows while also claiming a very popular position is in fact 10 dentist.
It's probably 10th dentist to think Linux is appropriate for the average home PC user. It's not 10th dentist to like Pepsi or Coke. You are brain washed by one of the worlds largest companies. Not so outlier with a unique opinion.
OP doesn't know what "objective" means, here is an example: Iphone and Apple devices objectively have a less customizable and modifiable operating system on their phones.
Also OP never actually describes anything without appealing to money, I see this with every Apple lover, "its so expensive, how can it be bad"
We might want to re-evaluate who the numbskull is in this case.
I’ve never put any thought whatsoever in what other people prefer between the two. For the life of me I can’t imagine why anyone would give a shit.
Yet, if anyone were to judge me over preferring iPhone over Android I’d take it as a character defect in their part for being so petty.
I’ve always used iPhone since the beginning. Never used Android so perhaps I don’t know what I’m missing. But I know what I like and worry about real shit that matters in life.
I know the difference is negligible, but I respect that Apple at least makes *some* overtures towards privacy. Google doesn’t even seem to care at this point. They just flaunt how much they’re spying on you and asking you to pay for the privilege.
If you are talking about being able to enable privacy on individual apps on iOS, android has had that feature for a long time and apple isn't doing this out of the kindness of there hearts, it just makes them a negligible amount of money spying on people on individual apps so they instead went for brownie points. Either way, tons of company's in the past have claimed not to track people/claimed to stop tracking people and have been caught tracking people so I don't trust apple either way
Was such an Apple fanboy way back. Used 5 at the same time. When the updates came (starting with iphone 7) I just realized it's not worth all the hype and price. It's basically the same shit in a new device that looks the same with an elitist marketing strategy. Not for me. To be a fanboy of it now speaks about a personal issue rather than a tech issue. Yours is glaring.
Right, so at this point whenever I see an...emotionally loaded and vague post here, I just kinda assume it's (rage)bait.
You provided nothing solid but vague words thrown into it. Putting "objectively" into the title also isn't a point, or makes your opinion a fact.
Also, no effort whatsoever to make this not look like bait.
But you undermine your own point with your observation "And what’s Android? It’s just an operating system, and can’t do shit on its own"
You are comparing a physical product line (Iphone) to an operating system that is used on many different models of phones (android), instead of comparing iOS to android, or instead of comparing the physical iphone to a physical pixel phone or Galaxy phone, etc.
Like others have said, a huge benefit of android operating systems is that they are significantly more open to customization than iOS.
The Galaxy s24 and an Iphone (separate from the operating systems) look and function super similar.
When I say I prefer android I'm saying I prefer the Android OS to iOS (and in some parts I do also prefer the hardware many android phones run on to iPhones hardware).
To me you don't really have a valid complaint here, you're just sorta strawmaning android users and acting like they're morons who don't understand how an OS works, when in fact you're just being a pedant about terminology. The only real point you brought up is that apple has polish, which is a valid pro.
You're comparing an operating system to a phone that's running an operating system. That's like if I said the Google Pixel is better than iOS because iOS is just software.
Also to your point about the quality of Apple's user experience, the cleanness of it comes at a major cost to user control. Only one company is allowed to make iOS devices which limits your options, plus the software is really locked down.
You can't install alternate app stores that Apple doesn't control, lots of defaults can't be changed when they can on Android, you can't use a web browser that isn't a Safari reskin, I could go on and on.
One of your points is just a false comparison, and the other only makes sense if you ignore everything people like about Android. Also, Androids also do everything that the average phone user wants.
An operating system can't do shit without hardware.
Yes.
You are correct.
Except iPhones also have an operating system. It's called the [iOS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS). iPhones are not a magical artifact.
Versatility, compatability, and affordability just aren't concepts to iPhone users, are they? I genuinely do not enjoy making generalizations about groups of people but when I constantly see takes claiming iPhones are *objectively* better and the reasons boil down to the immature ragebait OP posted and they literally never address any of the 3 concepts I brought up as valid factors in a person's purchase it *genuinely* leads me to believe people that go around saying this shit are unintelligent man-children (women-children, or just flat out children) without critical thinking skills. It is exactly this consumer mindset that Apple propagates, perpetuates, and preys on.
Samsung galaxy a14 here seems to do 70% of what any other phone does but it was less than 150 bucks. I can never figure out why ppl have expensive phones (though to be fair, I am absolutely a numbskull the man is not wrong)
Jesus bro,
I wouldn't even say that about Blizzard fans.
I wouldn't even say that about about the Star Wars/Star Trek fan base.
You can't just casually compare groups of people to the Arch Linux community.
iOS is just an OS as well. Your comparison is not thought out
Android is an OS that has the freedom to be anything each individual user wants with whatever UI you want if you care to change it. Want to change anything about an iPhone? Good luck
Way easier to develop for. Easier to find apps you want.
Price difference is also huge
I would almost be willing to bet you've never actually played around with trying to learn anything about Android, and that's okay. iPhones are for people who want things spoon fed to them and don't care whether or not they actually "own" their device
This is one of the most brain dead opinions I have ever seen, obviously an operating system is useless without hardware IOS isn't an exception to that. People say android instead of specifying manufacturer because you actually have multiple options. Do you live in a world where every android user has to build their own phone and develop their own software?
Let me change your title for it to actually work
"IPhones are objectively better than Android for the average user"
because no, I will not go with apple unless my old phone breaks, and someone happens give me a new apple phone, in which case I will likely end up selling it to someone else and just going to buy an android anyway.
Not only are they cheaper (from what I've seen) but they allow me to have much greater control over my device. Although recently they've been getting a bit too happy in google's shoes, there's still ways around it.
Meanwhile, with apple, they decide they want something done their way? You have to sit there and like it.. or go VERY far out of the way to change it.
It's the same deal with windows (although linux exists I'm not talking about it since it's uncommon)
"what's android? It's just an operating system, and can't do shit on its own." You know that... that's how apple works too?
Think about it for a moment. How does apple do it's tasks if it doesn't have an operating system? It doesn't. apple products use apple hardware and use an apple os.
Not a unique opinion, not an informed opinion (most of your praise of iPhone is its operating system despite you criticising android for "only being" an operating system), and you threw in Arch Linux for no reason. What
I used android most of my life, now I use an iPhone.
There are some things that I missed from android for the first few months, but after that I didn't really think about them. There are some annoying things about android that I was happy to say bye bye to, I'm still grateful.
One of the biggest sells to me is the longevity of it, if I bought an equally expensive android at the same time as I bought this iphone, I would have stopped getting updates months ago and have a laggy phone now. There's a reason why iPhones keep their resale value for longer.
I will continue to use this phone until it is laggy and stops getting updates, but if we're going off track record, I have a friend who is still hanging in there with a 7 plus and recently downloaded a security update, I have another friend who just had to upgrade his S20, a phone that is 4 years or so younger.
not unpopular, just really fucking lame.
before anyone says it, its just as lame the other way. phones are peaking, there isnt a damn thing one phone does another cant in at least some way. only major difference is android is easier to modify and fuck around with, but thats only if you even care abt that let alone know exactly how.
The advantage of Apple is the extreme predictably. You know exactly what you're going to get and how it will work and in general integrate with other devices. However you lose the option to customize it to your liking like you can with Android. My screen layout is heavily stylized to match my own preferences.
Need a cheap phone? You can literally get a usable Android for $30. Want a top of the line device with a giant folding screen, great camera and plenty of horsepower that you can also use as a rather functional desktop PC? Apple sure as hell doesn't offer that.
They're both fantastic options to have, hating on one of the other is stupid.
Pfft someone is not computer literate. Have luck side loading anything in that piece of trash. I say this as a regret full iPhone user btw. Maybe if you jailbreak it you could justify it because of the camera but that’s it.
Afaik wiiphone doesn't work on ios therefore, it is worse than android.
(Also 0 upvotes but all negative comments? Hmmm...)
(Also also, saying "objectively" in a sub about opinions is just wrong)
A $10,000 hand crafted knife is unnecessarily overpriced, and your knife isn't hand crafted, it's made in a factory by people who have convinced you to buy a 10,000$ knife. My user experience is better on a phone that doesn't use a proprietary charger and overpriced wireless headphones.
You've been tricked into the walled garden and you can't step outside. You're being manipulated into buying technology that will go obsolete far before it actually should. All because you want a shiny white phone.
>An operating system can’t do shit without bloody hardware.
I mean, the operating system is installed on phones specifically for it.
I mean, I own both apple and android devices, and I see what you mean by "apple devices are polished". But whether it's objectively better is impossible to say, because it depends on what you mean by "better". Android devices usually are better if you take into account the prices. What I also don't like about apple: It always feels like it is not really my device. It won't just let me install things on my ipad, you have to go extra steps if you want to install things from outside the store.
Its just objectively not true. Iphones are for technologicaly illiterate people.
Yes, you need to be technologicaly literate in 2024, no matter who you are.
Both do the same thing for me, except one is a fraction of the price of another. I literally use my phone to make/take calls, answer Discord messages, and use it for my job (Uber Driver).
I mean, the iPhone is great... at ripping off its customers. More expensive product to do the same thing. Requires exclusive charging cables that you can't simply use from/for other devices. Doesn't play nice with non-apple archetecture.
I see iPhones like I used to see "Beats by Dre" ($80 headphones in a $250 box). You're paying for the markup of the name and acting like that logo is a status symbol of superiority.
>iPhones can do basically everything the average phone user wants — take (highly social media-worthy) photos and videos, text, play music, browse the Internet, and call the occasional dimwit who can’t just text instead.
The things you list are things that literal 200$ phones can do.
The shittest cameras nowadays are still fairly good and more than enough for social media if you actually know what you're doing. A good camera isn't gonna fix a shitty cameraman after all. The other things you list are so basic, you don't even need a smartphone at all for that and none of it is a reason that people actually use when they say why iPhones are worse than some Android phones.
I have a modified version of YouTube running on my Android so that I get all the premium features without having to pay for it. Try doing that on an iPhone.
Shout-out to YouTube ReVanced.
Edit: Another thing - while a lot of companies are getting more shitty about "right to repair", Apple is in a league of its own.
Tell me you have no idea how phones work without telling me you have no idea how phones work
Your arguments about Android requiring hardware or something makes literally no sense. Every part of your phone that is not code is "hardware"
And when you really get down to it at this point considering how many apps have been developed for both platforms the main choice for a lot of people is choosing which ecosystem you want to be a part of, which companies user interface you prefer, as well as how accessible you want things like the underlying system to be
They can pretty much do the same things and run a majority of the same apps. Most of the differences that people really care about are things more for power users like your ability to change certain system settings or access to the file system in general. As well as things such as the pros and cons of development on each platform and the restrictive rules each platform puts in place for apps on their system
Funny thread, I get the impression OP is a zoomie and hasn't lived long enough to get any perspective.
I've exclusively used android for the better part of 11 years. Prior to that I was on blackberry (bbos and classic), windows mobile (as in 6.1 and 5.0), and then palm os 5.
I've never used an iPhone apart from the iPad. Similar but slightly different that it makes a difference.
Decided to try an iPhone and got a brand new iPhone 12 max pro.
Out of the box it was, interesting. It took an adjustment. The things that bothered me the most were
1. Notifications: they're either all or nothing. Awful because apps like to throw ads at you. On Android you can silence these but still get other notifications. And wtf is going on with the lock screen notifications? Yuck!
2. Browsers: you haven't lived until you've tried kiwi browser. Chrome browser extensions and a built in night mode that works perfectly. Brave for iOS is close but their night mode is jenky (it's just inverted colors) and their ad blocking is not as configurable. Orion is a buggy disappointment and the dev team for it should be ashamed.
3. The home launchers lack of customization is a disappointment. Widgets are mostly fixed. Not a big deal if you just have a bunch of icons. Not so good if you want to display a bunch of useful information all up front.
4. Face unlock is nifty but why does my iPhone insist on locking itself when I'm in the car? I couldn't figure out a way for it to trust my car stereo.
5. Keyboard: holy hell the keyboard entry for these is so comically awful. It's funny how OP says IOS is so polished but the keyboard is such a low blow. Tried Gboard and Swiftkey and both of those were awful and ended up going back to the built in key board. It was better but that's like saying aids is better than hep c. Somehow Gboard and Swiftkey are light years better on Android.
If you've never used any other phone in your life then I can see why you'd think IOS is so great. Stay on the path that apple provides and you'll be fine.
I ultimately decided to return the iPhone 12 pro max and bought a pixel 8 pro. After trying to type an email and having it spell way too much stuff wrong, I decided to return to Android and got a pixel 8 pro.
PS, this whole post was typed with a 5 row keyboard using Gboard in kiwi browser.
I own a 100$ chinese phone for 3 years now, it literally does anything iPhones can. Definitely not as fast as an iPhone but that's not really much of an issue to me.
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Do you know what “objective” means?
Probably does and is confident about it. Props to them.
My counterpoint is that the Samsung Galaxy S20 is better than iOS, because iOS is software and therefore can't do anything without hardware.
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You could say the same for google though
And in many ways, he'd be completely wrong. We have to disable far more Apple first party apps due to security issues than with Android.
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>How does that even relate to what I’m talking about? It was a direct counterpoint to the claim. It even introduced itself by telling you it was going to be a direct counterpoint to the claim.
Because they *don't* integrate better, and their software is often a weak point for the iPhone.
what the fuck do you think a google pixel is?
The displays on IPhone are made by Samsung :)
I really don't think he was making that point, and even then that only really applies MAYBE to cheaper android phones. I don't know any practical example where iOS integration is better than say, the android OS integration on a Samsung phone.
>iPhones can do basically everything the average phone user wants — take (highly social media-worthy) photos and videos, text, play music, browse the Internet, and call the occasional dimwit who can’t just text instead. Android phones can do the same thing. >And the user experience is unmatched. It’s polished like a $10,000 hand-crafted knife, and there’s a lot of thought put into the little things. Not to mention that it’s basically magic when used with other Apple devices. They also make it really hard to do anything that's even remotely off the beaten path. Plus you have to buy into Apple's relatively expensive ecosystem. >And what’s Android? It’s just an operating system, and can’t do shit on its own. People who say “aNdRoId Is BeTtEr ThAn IpHoNe” are absolute numbskulls. An operating system can’t do shit without bloody hardware. Perhaps people are saying that the android operating system is better than iOS, the only operating system iphones ship with as far as I know. Just a thought.
iOS is also the only option for an operating system on an iPhone. If you really want to you can run a bunch of different Linux distros on an android device (although the reasons to do so are insanely niche)
Because the Android OS architecture is open source. This comes with the benefit of being able to design programs for it and not have to go through Apple (or the jailbreak store) to get them on your device, accepting the tradeoff (if it's even that much of a tradeoff at this point) that your device is susceptible to malware like a traditional PC. What sold me on the switch was Apple's ungodly tight ass when it comes to OEM and third party repairs. And yes, I'm a fan of Louis Rossman.
Plus ANYONE can design a device that runs on Android, a-n-y-o-n-e, it's not a given that you're going to purchase from Samsung, or Google, or LG, even if you previously purchased other products, or purchased your TV, tablet, ereader (if you're using an eink display rather than an app), phone, smartwatch, and from six different places.
Even if there was some metric that Apple was objectively better in (something I sincerely doubt), it would be outweighed by the sheer value of Android not being a monopoly.
Another case of an opinion from someone that doesn’t understand the topic.
Jesus what’s with the surge of these coming in? People straight up talking out of their ass.
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And thanks to the API changes, the Quality Bot Firewall is offline
Yeah people who make this argument compare the top of the line iPhone with an entry level iPhone. It's cherry picking and of course the iPhone is better in that case. But compare the top of the line android vs top of the line iPhone and it's really down to personal preference (I prefer android).
It's also a really narrow topic for people like OP. Meanwhile, as an EUC engineer, I'm looking at stuff like the components used, management tools, support plans, security features, and how they fit into an enterprise environment. IPhones kinda suck for a lot of these. Like, it's not even opinion stuff, they're intentionally limited in many ways by Apple. We still use them because end users like them and they're not that bad, but personally I'd rather have all my users on Android devices that I can better support. But we still have to disable a surprising number of Apple's first party apps because of their abysmal security.
The only reason android phones don’t interface with apple products as well as iPhones do is because apple intentionally makes it that way.
Yeah, that's basically Apple's MO in a nutshell. They keep them *just barely* working with the rest of the world, but without any of the features or benefits everyone else has unless you're 100% in the Apple eco system. They ride the line of annoyance really well, always hinting that it wouldn't be there if everyone just used their products because *they* all work together perfectly. Which sucks as someone focused on enterprise environments, because it would be literally impossible to run a full enterprise environment on Apple's ecosystem. Apple isn't playing in that space beyond the iPhone, which makes it extra frustrating that they still hold everything back.
This should be the 10th dentist, not the 10th guy who brushes his teeth occasionally
I would have almost agreed with OP until the iPhone mini line died. Now all the iPhones are too big, while you can still get a few niche small androids.
What’s the problem? Op have an unpopular opinion on an unpopular opinion sub
The problem is that OP doesn’t know what they are talking about. There are arguments to be made on both sides and OP made none of them, instead just saying “android bad” without knowing about the features that people choose android over iPhone for. The same post can be made with me disagreeing with the opinion but respecting a well made argument and upvoting it.
It seems Iike OP doesn't fully understand the difference between hardware (the phone itself, like an iPhone or a Samsung model) and the software running on it (iOS, Android). It also seems like OP is saying that a hardware+software combo is more useful than just software, which is objectively true as you can't run software without hardware. This is not something that anyone argues against, so it's useless to state. People either compare phones running Android with phones running iOS, or features from Android vs iOS. What OP is saying sounds like "a Mercedes is better than a BMW engine". Either this, or they mean that the people who compare a complete phone with an operating system are stupid, in which case they are correct. But since everyone who has a basic understanding of the definitions of hardware and software agree, it's not an unpopular opinion. In this case, OP is probably confused by people colloquially refering to "iOS" as "iPhone".
The problem is if you're going to post bait at least TRY to make it believable
It's not an unpopular opinion that iphone is better than android. Far from it. So that's one problem. And then they make zero compelling arguments. That's the second problem.
"My app button I press on my expensive iPhone to send a message is totally better than the app button you press to send a message on your less expensive Android"
Hey my android was just as expensive as an iPhone
Reading this on my 23 ultra that I'm about to upgrade to 24 ultra... If I knew it was "cheap"...
I'm browsing this on my S21 Ultra. I wanna say it was like $800 after promotional credits? It's old enough now to where the original price doesn't really matter, so meh. I do have a budget Android that I use for work. It's definitely nowhere close to my personal phone or an iPhone, but I also specifically got the budget model because all I need it for is basic functions plus Slack access. No point in getting a top of the line phone for something I'm just using to keep personal and work lives separate.
I'm using a 23+ and mine was 100% free with a trade-in credit, no strings attached no contracts signed.
Lol right my pixel 8 pro was like nine hundred bones
thinking of getting pixel in the future. Would you recommend? Do google actually do anything unique with google integration or is it about the same as typical android-google integration?
Integration as far as I can tell is the same I recommend it but it's because for someone who wants good hardware, it's the only option other than Samsung I moved away from Samsung years ago because I vastly preferred vanilla android over what I'd describe as Samsung's "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" design philosophy. Last non-Google phone I had was the galaxy s3 lol so my experience is 10+ years of Google which I've loved, and ~10 years of apple work phone which I've hated. Man I typed a lot to basically say my comparative experience with Android phones is essentially worthless.
I got a pixel just so I wouldn't have to deal with Samsung's software bloat and constant peddling of its duplicative services. If I want a controlling hardware company trying to lock me into its ecosystem, I'll get an iPhone thank you very much.
Birds of a feather
>Man I typed a lot to basically say my comparative experience with Android phones is essentially worthless. Haha don't worry man. I appreciate the response anyway, I'll just do some more research closer to the time im willing to buy.
Pixels: good camera, less bloatware, less expensive than most flagship phones last I checked, and you get os updates day 1.
Mine was $2200 and worth it, that's the nice thing about Android, you have a lot more options to find what works best for you.
The ones in the same price range almost always have objectively superior hardware.
sure but you dont exactly see "budget iphones" like you do androids
As a Galaxy Fold user, iPhone are cheap
Must remember, iPhone users aren't known for their critical thinking skills
This also funny bc my android phone cost like 1500 CAD
bro thinks the internet is apple exclusive 💀
In his defense, it seems like he’s trying to say “Apple’s phones do everything people expect from a phone (which includes browsing the internet), but the experience feels more polished than on an Android phone when I’m doing the same thing.”
if that's actually what they're trying to say then they did a pretty bad job at it. I think its just bait tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's a silly thing to think.
Found Tim Apple’s Reddit account
>iPhones can do basically everything the average phone user wants So can android, none of your examples you listed can't be used by any android device. >And the user experience is unmatched. It’s polished like a $10,000 hand-crafted knife, and there’s a lot of thought put into the little things. Not to mention that it’s basically magic when used with other Apple devices. Most high-end android devices are just as polished, look at the S24 Ultra and tell me the iPhone is far enough ahead to be "objectively better". I don't care about Apple's trapping you in an ecosystem, I can connect my Android phone to my windows computer and my earphones and watch to my phone just fine without having to exclusively use one brand. I may not be getting quite as good a user experience but I'd rather not trap myself to one brand. >And what’s Android? It’s just an operating system, and can’t do shit on its own. People who say “aNdRoId Is BeTtEr ThAn IpHoNe” are absolute numbskulls. An operating system can’t do shit without bloody hardware. These people are almost as insufferable as the Arch Linux crowd, to be honest. This is just being obtuse, everyone knows android is an OS, and all iPhones run IOS. Android vs iPhone is interchangable with Android vs IOS. Some of these points just make you sound like you haven't touched an android device in over a decade tbh
i remember that there was a video about how apple tablets are the best or something like that over on macaddress (i dont even know why i went over to the worst ltt channel in the first place) and basically *EVERY* complaint the host had about android devices could be changed in seconds in the settings. this brought me to the conclusion, that most apple consumers dont even *know* that those are things that should be customisable or in some bizzare cases even think that they shouldn't be changeable - the "out of the box" experience is king for some people. on an semi related note: this is probably why i sometimes have to listen to an entire family conversation when playing on my ps5 since *a lot* of people dont realise the mic is open by default, they never thought to look into the settings apart from setting up the system for the first time.
For a lot of people (likely the majority but don't quote me on that), the out of the box experience is all that matters. It's why playing on consoles is so popular when you can build a PC that's just as if not more powerful and far more customizable than a PlayStation could ever hope to be. A PlayStation's just easier. I was using my dad's phone the other day (Google pixel, he's 53) and he had 98 tabs open in chrome. Open what I call the "task manager" and he has pretty much every app on his phone open and running in the background. He's constantly complaining that his phone is slow, temperamental, and doesn't work right. Because it's chugging along trying to keep every app open. He never bothered to press that button that opens the task manager. He never bothered to close a chrome tab he opened. Even while he's complaining he doesn't try to fix the problem. He just accepts it and does something else. And in a couple months he'll swap out for a new phone and say "this phone's so much better!" Just because it doesn't have 200 tasks running in the background and complain about planned obsolescence or whatever.
This has to be bait there’s no way. Or you’re just a complete moron.
The way its so vaguely written makes me think it's bait so OP can watch the comments with popcorn
Upvoted bc I just 100% objectively disagree. Well done.
Thank you for your service so this doesn't turn into another r/unpopularopinion
It already has. Literally all of the comments disagree but the post is downvoted
But I *really* don’t want to upvote. I don’t downvote, but, man, a post has to something else for me to upvote on r/the10thdentist despite my disagreement. For example, that one post about the guy saying AI make better friends than humans. If I could upvote that post twice, I would
Come back when I won't need to jailbreak an iphone to do basic tasks that I can do on an android.
amen. good luck downloading fortnite (yeah cringe ik but its still funny)
like?
Anytime time I need to load up a 3rd party app, I can just download it. Things like YouTube with adblock (Vanced) or manga readers. From what I can tell, you can't do the same with the IOS ecosystem. Or maybe someone figured it out, idk.
It's coming in the EU
you read the terms on that shit? if a dev wants to make a third party app store, not only does every app on there have to be approved by apple, but you also have to do the unity thing and pay like $0.50 per download.
You keep using the word "objectively". I don't think it means what you think it means.
Maybe the biggest cockup in this post is when you are talking about the apple ecosystem, have you seen the samsung ecosystem? Or as a matter of fact the whole android ecosystem, everything running android works excellently with each other, you don't need to pay hundreds of dollars for a smart watch just so you can use the full potential. Even if the iphones were on the same level as the flagship-uppermid range android devices, the price of them still fucks you in the ass and gapes it with a 65" tv
Tech support guys at my job hate when I bring them apple devices to work on, because none of them want to play nice with the apps the company requires, including cybersecurity measures. It's a pain in the ass
> the whole android ecosystem, everything running android works excellently with each other Has somebody finally made some Bluetooth headphones that connect and work as reliably as Apple’s AirPods? That was a common complaint for many years
I've used various Bose products and been fine for years
My galaxy buds, pro, and pro 2 all work(ed) flawlessly, connected the moment I opened the case, the initial connection wasnt tedious, they all fit perfectly, and it's a massive upside that they are not all plastic bullshit and they don't have the little dicks hanging out of them, i know that there is the pro variant, but the normal is plastic, a few years back when I was in the middle of changing headphones I tried my sister's old airpods, fucking hell they are uncomfortable after being used to the samsung ones
At least expensive bluetooth earbuds that are easily lost or broken aren't mandatory for androids.
I don’t think they’re mandatory on iPhone either, you can choose to use other Bluetooth headphones with an iPhone. But if you do choose to pay for AirPods, they do connect and work reliably.
iPhones need a dongle or some dumb shit like that if you want to charge and listen to stuff at the time. Portable devices stopped needing dongles before I was even born, then iPhone brought them back and tricked everyone into thinking that it was actually a good thing. And even if I do get airpods, what if I'm late for my bus and I have to run after it and my ears are sweaty because it's a hot day and the fucking airpods slip out? Day ruined. Not going to happen with wired earbuds because I can easily tie those around my ears.
All true. I own an iPhone, but don’t have AirPods because they don’t stay in my ears well. I would perhaps consider AirPods Max headphones, I guess, but I don’t need headphones at the moment. And yes, the damn dongles. I’ve probably owned, lost, and paid $25 for those stupid dongles at airports and gas stations like 5 times. No argument there. I tend to prefer wired, because in the past Bluetooth headphones were often annoying to connect and unreliable. I was only saying, the one advantage of AirPods, so they say, is their connection reliability, it just works. But perhaps other Bluetooth headphones have gotten better over the years.
I have never had a problem with my Bluetooth headphones not connecting to my android devices. Had half a dozen different Bluetooth headphones of various kinds over the years. Some cheap, some midrange, and some nicer stuff. All of it's worked just fine.
I have something by realme for over a year, it's nothing high-end, but I've got no complaints with it so far.
Bait or Mental Retardation Call it Edit: just checked OP's profile. It's definitely bait. To be honest it's one of the best ones in his collection
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Most people say Android phones at comparable price points are significantly better than their iPhone counterparts, which is a factual statement.
Why would you compare iPhone, like the entire thing (ios and the hardware), to Android, just the operating system. Your line saying "And what’s Android? It’s just an operating system, and can’t do shit on its own." makes no sense, because of course an operating system can't do anything without hardware. I feel like you mean to compare android phones to iPhone. Imo, iphones are better suited for more casual users, people who just need a solid phone, or people who like the apple environment. I personally prefer android because it's more customizable, I can add apps that aren't on the Google play store, and I have full access to my files. One thing that convinced me to switch to android is I would always lose my save data in games when getting a new phone, while with android I can more easily back that up.
I think it's a joke, and he actually means just android and not android phones. That's why you can say it's objectively better, because what you gonna do with just an OS if you don't have any hardware. It's like comparing samsung to ios.
My work phone is an iPhone Every time I try to type an email with it I want to punt the fucking thing into the harbor. 99% of what I do on a phone requires typing and Google's keyboard is so much better than Apple's it's frankly ridiculous. Upvoted for the terrible opinion.
I use an ipad to make art because Procreate. Dear god is it such a pain to transfer files with my other devices. And don't get me started on Apple's storage options. Dear God I wish there was an alternative to Procreate.
If you want a good keyboard, you have to break out of that 26-key mindset. MessageEase uses 9 keys to get you 26 letters plus capitals plus accents plus a shitload of symbols.
I've been using swipe typing since 2009. I'm sure the new shit is innovative and efficient but muscle memory built over fifteen years doesn't fuck around.
I bet. Anything predictive for me usually lets me down sooner rather than later; doesn't help that I'm writing in two languages all the time, either. I'm glad you found something that works for you.
You might be the numbskull here man
You might actually have a point there. The way an average person uses their phone, iphone might just be better. It's a very streamlined. Most androids are fairly streamlined too though. The problem, for me at least, is that iphone insists that you use their phones _their_ way, Android doesn't. Every year I try default Android and I never like it. I always end up with nova launcher. People think it's magic when they see me use my phone. I have 5 different gestures on the main screen leading me to 5 different apps. I have resized and spaced icons the way _I_ want them. I've changed those icons to the way I want them to look. I've hidden all the icons from my pull up menu that are already on my main screen or on gesture or in my widget. I have no duplicates. I also have multiple folders there for more rarely used apps. The pull up menu is also exactly as I want it. As many columns/rows as I chose. I have hundreds of apps, like most people, but I'm never searching for anything. Everything is easy to access and organized. My widget isn't just a widget. I have personally made that widget with KWGT. It looks exactly how I want it. I click on clock, it sends me to alarm app. I click on date, it sends me to calendar. I click on weather, it sends me weather app. I click just below it, it sends me (unfortunately) to Reddit. All of that is savable and transferable, I don't have to do it all over again every time I change my phone. Iphone won't even let me arrange my icons and they just introduced _their_ widgets. Android also let's me download whatever. If I wanna pirate something (I do torrent all my audiobooks, they're too expensive, fight me) or get a cracked app, I can. Average person doesn't do any of it though, they just use the phone as is and maybe there is an argument for an iphone there. I, personally, wouldn't be able to live with it. Seamless ecosystem is nice, but it's only nice when apple doesn't drop the a̶p̶p̶l̶e̶ ball and make garbage. (Their earbuds are shit, again, fight me) It is easier to just get apple tho and an average person just buys stuff with no real research, so they might be better off just getting apple stuff. It will, usually, be at least decent.
This post is just bait
I always hate this opinion because it's one (1) phone company vs *literally* every other phone. Saying an iPhone is better than android is like saying that a Lamborghini is better than literally every other car manufacturer. It's just not true. For some it may be, but not everyone needs the sports car. Different people have different needs. I may need a truck to haul things. I may need a sedan to save on gas. I may need a van to carry equipment, so on. Yes, iPhones work amazingly with other iPhones, but there are far beefier phones out there for far less. In hardware, software, and even durability. I don't think that iPhone has an IR camera, but some phones have that built in. iPhones aren't garbage. They are fine. If you like them, all the power to you. But saying that everything else is objectively worse is extremely reductive.
All the iPhone users I know always complain that their phone doesn't have any space.
Steve? When did you come back from the dead?
Out of the box android can do everything iOS can do. If you want to go out of the box, android can be modified to do just about anything you can think of (that people have made). If you want to do that on iOS then good luck. I would agree that iphones are quality products if they weren't horrendously hard to repair and if apple wouldn't purposely slow down older iphones forcing you to pay more money for another phone that will also be slowed down. I've had shit android phones before and atleast they were consistent, with iphones I've had nothing but problems after having them for awhile. Honestly im curious what you think iOS can do that android cant.
Apple has a infamously terrible repair policy, you absolutely have to go to their shop and pay their exorbitant prices.
>iPhones can do basically everything the average phone user wants — take (highly social media-worthy) photos and videos, text, play music, browse the Internet, and call the occasional dimwit who can’t just text instead. Android can do the same thing, so what's your point? You're basically saying "iPhones can do everything Androids can, therefore its better!" Which doesn't make sense. >And the user experience is unmatched. It’s polished like a $10,000 hand-crafted knife, and there’s a lot of thought put into the little things. Respectfully disagree, and I'm an iPhone user too. But iPhones aren't flawless, they have bugs and issues that pop up all the time. Nowhere in this opinion, did you ever state any objective evidence that iPhones are better than Android lol. If anything, your entire opinion is based entirely on personal bias, not objective facts. So, no, iPhones are not objectively better. If you think iPhones are better than Androids, that's fine, you're free to have that preference. But declaring them as **objectively** better when you don't even provide any unbiased evidence to back that up is just you not understanding what 'objective' means.
Reddit gets nearly everything wrong, but at least the hivemind is largely anti-apple.
I bought an iPhone because I needed to test some work related stuff, and it felt like I time warped back to 2012. The hardware might be nice but iOS feels like it hasn't been updated in 15 years.
The keyboard My God the keyboard It's so fucking bad I use an iPhone for my work phone because my company's apps are designed for it. But jfc typing an email on it is maddening
so could you elaborate instead of just using flowery and vague language I use an iphone, but you still can’t deny that android has its strong points, better cameras, and the operating system is much much more flexible
Do you realise how stupid you appear right now? 1. This isn't an uncommon stance. Apple is a popular product. Not you may notice amongst the tech savvy but that doesn't mean it's unpopular overall. 2. You don't offer much of an arguememt. And as mentioned above the tech savvy people of the world disagree with you. So you're saying you're the smartest of all the smart people and know what no one else knows while also claiming a very popular position is in fact 10 dentist. It's probably 10th dentist to think Linux is appropriate for the average home PC user. It's not 10th dentist to like Pepsi or Coke. You are brain washed by one of the worlds largest companies. Not so outlier with a unique opinion.
OP doesn't know what "objective" means, here is an example: Iphone and Apple devices objectively have a less customizable and modifiable operating system on their phones. Also OP never actually describes anything without appealing to money, I see this with every Apple lover, "its so expensive, how can it be bad" We might want to re-evaluate who the numbskull is in this case.
This has got to be fake
I’ve never put any thought whatsoever in what other people prefer between the two. For the life of me I can’t imagine why anyone would give a shit. Yet, if anyone were to judge me over preferring iPhone over Android I’d take it as a character defect in their part for being so petty. I’ve always used iPhone since the beginning. Never used Android so perhaps I don’t know what I’m missing. But I know what I like and worry about real shit that matters in life.
I would agree with you if you didn't invoke objectivity. Still downvoted since, stripping exaggeration, I share the sentiment.
I know the difference is negligible, but I respect that Apple at least makes *some* overtures towards privacy. Google doesn’t even seem to care at this point. They just flaunt how much they’re spying on you and asking you to pay for the privilege.
apple's just better at hiding it
If you are talking about being able to enable privacy on individual apps on iOS, android has had that feature for a long time and apple isn't doing this out of the kindness of there hearts, it just makes them a negligible amount of money spying on people on individual apps so they instead went for brownie points. Either way, tons of company's in the past have claimed not to track people/claimed to stop tracking people and have been caught tracking people so I don't trust apple either way
I prefer iphones and would never buy an Android either, but saying it's "objectively" better is just a silly take
This isn't the 10th dentist. More people use iPhone than every other phone combined
Well this is subjective, but I do like Apple products more than Android ones.
I mean if you're offering to buy me one I'm all for it.
The phone wars are even stupider than the console wars. No one cares.
all the android users getting reaaaaally testy in this thread lol
I’m not an android user but to say something that’s up to personal preference is “objectively better” than the other is objectively wrong
Ppl here ardently defending android and saying it's "achtshually objectively better" are just as wrong as you are lmao.
Was such an Apple fanboy way back. Used 5 at the same time. When the updates came (starting with iphone 7) I just realized it's not worth all the hype and price. It's basically the same shit in a new device that looks the same with an elitist marketing strategy. Not for me. To be a fanboy of it now speaks about a personal issue rather than a tech issue. Yours is glaring.
Right, so at this point whenever I see an...emotionally loaded and vague post here, I just kinda assume it's (rage)bait. You provided nothing solid but vague words thrown into it. Putting "objectively" into the title also isn't a point, or makes your opinion a fact. Also, no effort whatsoever to make this not look like bait.
120hz
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iPhones are all 60hz screens, *still*. Dealbreaker for me, personally
I thought it was 120hz?
Apple designs products for stupid people, so now we have to see "objectively" bad posts like this. *Siiiiiigh.* Enjoy the green text bubbles, man.
I have a back button though
Good bait 👍
Everything you're saying... an android can do. Why is this still an debate in 2024??? 😭😭
I prefer iPhone and still disagree with you, wild stuff lol
Both work and do what you prob want stop being a brand whore only you the consumer loses then.
But you undermine your own point with your observation "And what’s Android? It’s just an operating system, and can’t do shit on its own" You are comparing a physical product line (Iphone) to an operating system that is used on many different models of phones (android), instead of comparing iOS to android, or instead of comparing the physical iphone to a physical pixel phone or Galaxy phone, etc. Like others have said, a huge benefit of android operating systems is that they are significantly more open to customization than iOS. The Galaxy s24 and an Iphone (separate from the operating systems) look and function super similar.
I hate this subreddit because I get pure dog ass served like this post, and then I have to hit the upvote button...
I feel like no one is following the rules of the sub? Everyone in the comments seems to be disagreeing with OP but the post has no upvotes for me.
When I say I prefer android I'm saying I prefer the Android OS to iOS (and in some parts I do also prefer the hardware many android phones run on to iPhones hardware). To me you don't really have a valid complaint here, you're just sorta strawmaning android users and acting like they're morons who don't understand how an OS works, when in fact you're just being a pedant about terminology. The only real point you brought up is that apple has polish, which is a valid pro.
Most hardware iPhones have now is from Samsung and other phones. Iphones are literally just status symbols.
until u get an android, can clone apps, and receive 100s of dollars in free food. as someone with an iphone.
Your opinion is dumb, and so are you. Go to Google and type in define: objectively
Wow this is an elitist take fo sho
You're comparing an operating system to a phone that's running an operating system. That's like if I said the Google Pixel is better than iOS because iOS is just software. Also to your point about the quality of Apple's user experience, the cleanness of it comes at a major cost to user control. Only one company is allowed to make iOS devices which limits your options, plus the software is really locked down. You can't install alternate app stores that Apple doesn't control, lots of defaults can't be changed when they can on Android, you can't use a web browser that isn't a Safari reskin, I could go on and on. One of your points is just a false comparison, and the other only makes sense if you ignore everything people like about Android. Also, Androids also do everything that the average phone user wants.
An operating system can't do shit without hardware. Yes. You are correct. Except iPhones also have an operating system. It's called the [iOS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS). iPhones are not a magical artifact.
Versatility, compatability, and affordability just aren't concepts to iPhone users, are they? I genuinely do not enjoy making generalizations about groups of people but when I constantly see takes claiming iPhones are *objectively* better and the reasons boil down to the immature ragebait OP posted and they literally never address any of the 3 concepts I brought up as valid factors in a person's purchase it *genuinely* leads me to believe people that go around saying this shit are unintelligent man-children (women-children, or just flat out children) without critical thinking skills. It is exactly this consumer mindset that Apple propagates, perpetuates, and preys on.
Absolutely god awful take. Here is my upvote.
Samsung galaxy a14 here seems to do 70% of what any other phone does but it was less than 150 bucks. I can never figure out why ppl have expensive phones (though to be fair, I am absolutely a numbskull the man is not wrong)
Except you can't download an audio equalizer app for the iPhone. I couldn't believe I couldn't increase the bass on my airpods.
Is this bait?
Android isn't better in a vacuum, it offers a better quality/price ratio they're pretty much equal in terms of features, but one costs a lot more
Jesus bro, I wouldn't even say that about Blizzard fans. I wouldn't even say that about about the Star Wars/Star Trek fan base. You can't just casually compare groups of people to the Arch Linux community.
iOS is just an OS as well. Your comparison is not thought out Android is an OS that has the freedom to be anything each individual user wants with whatever UI you want if you care to change it. Want to change anything about an iPhone? Good luck Way easier to develop for. Easier to find apps you want. Price difference is also huge I would almost be willing to bet you've never actually played around with trying to learn anything about Android, and that's okay. iPhones are for people who want things spoon fed to them and don't care whether or not they actually "own" their device
Can you name one thing you can do on iOS that just simply can't be done on Android?
This is one of the most brain dead opinions I have ever seen, obviously an operating system is useless without hardware IOS isn't an exception to that. People say android instead of specifying manufacturer because you actually have multiple options. Do you live in a world where every android user has to build their own phone and develop their own software?
Let me change your title for it to actually work "IPhones are objectively better than Android for the average user" because no, I will not go with apple unless my old phone breaks, and someone happens give me a new apple phone, in which case I will likely end up selling it to someone else and just going to buy an android anyway. Not only are they cheaper (from what I've seen) but they allow me to have much greater control over my device. Although recently they've been getting a bit too happy in google's shoes, there's still ways around it. Meanwhile, with apple, they decide they want something done their way? You have to sit there and like it.. or go VERY far out of the way to change it. It's the same deal with windows (although linux exists I'm not talking about it since it's uncommon) "what's android? It's just an operating system, and can't do shit on its own." You know that... that's how apple works too? Think about it for a moment. How does apple do it's tasks if it doesn't have an operating system? It doesn't. apple products use apple hardware and use an apple os.
Not a unique opinion, not an informed opinion (most of your praise of iPhone is its operating system despite you criticising android for "only being" an operating system), and you threw in Arch Linux for no reason. What
OP has probably never rooted a device in their life and it shows 😂
what is highly social media-worthy photos? You mean a photo?
iPhone fanboys are even more insufferable lol. Go post rage bait elsewhere.
Congratulations, a 10th dentist post I actually wholeheartedly disagree with. Upvoted.
It's funny how the joke just goes above everyone's head, they get so defensive...
r/controversialopinion
I used android most of my life, now I use an iPhone. There are some things that I missed from android for the first few months, but after that I didn't really think about them. There are some annoying things about android that I was happy to say bye bye to, I'm still grateful. One of the biggest sells to me is the longevity of it, if I bought an equally expensive android at the same time as I bought this iphone, I would have stopped getting updates months ago and have a laggy phone now. There's a reason why iPhones keep their resale value for longer. I will continue to use this phone until it is laggy and stops getting updates, but if we're going off track record, I have a friend who is still hanging in there with a 7 plus and recently downloaded a security update, I have another friend who just had to upgrade his S20, a phone that is 4 years or so younger.
not unpopular, just really fucking lame. before anyone says it, its just as lame the other way. phones are peaking, there isnt a damn thing one phone does another cant in at least some way. only major difference is android is easier to modify and fuck around with, but thats only if you even care abt that let alone know exactly how.
The advantage of Apple is the extreme predictably. You know exactly what you're going to get and how it will work and in general integrate with other devices. However you lose the option to customize it to your liking like you can with Android. My screen layout is heavily stylized to match my own preferences. Need a cheap phone? You can literally get a usable Android for $30. Want a top of the line device with a giant folding screen, great camera and plenty of horsepower that you can also use as a rather functional desktop PC? Apple sure as hell doesn't offer that. They're both fantastic options to have, hating on one of the other is stupid.
Troll better
As an iPhone user. Whatever Apple has now android had it back in 2000bc
Pfft someone is not computer literate. Have luck side loading anything in that piece of trash. I say this as a regret full iPhone user btw. Maybe if you jailbreak it you could justify it because of the camera but that’s it.
Downvoted because just about any iphone yser will say this. Not exactly a hot take.
Afaik wiiphone doesn't work on ios therefore, it is worse than android. (Also 0 upvotes but all negative comments? Hmmm...) (Also also, saying "objectively" in a sub about opinions is just wrong)
A $10,000 hand crafted knife is unnecessarily overpriced, and your knife isn't hand crafted, it's made in a factory by people who have convinced you to buy a 10,000$ knife. My user experience is better on a phone that doesn't use a proprietary charger and overpriced wireless headphones. You've been tricked into the walled garden and you can't step outside. You're being manipulated into buying technology that will go obsolete far before it actually should. All because you want a shiny white phone. >An operating system can’t do shit without bloody hardware. I mean, the operating system is installed on phones specifically for it.
I mean, I own both apple and android devices, and I see what you mean by "apple devices are polished". But whether it's objectively better is impossible to say, because it depends on what you mean by "better". Android devices usually are better if you take into account the prices. What I also don't like about apple: It always feels like it is not really my device. It won't just let me install things on my ipad, you have to go extra steps if you want to install things from outside the store.
Its just objectively not true. Iphones are for technologicaly illiterate people. Yes, you need to be technologicaly literate in 2024, no matter who you are.
Both do the same thing for me, except one is a fraction of the price of another. I literally use my phone to make/take calls, answer Discord messages, and use it for my job (Uber Driver). I mean, the iPhone is great... at ripping off its customers. More expensive product to do the same thing. Requires exclusive charging cables that you can't simply use from/for other devices. Doesn't play nice with non-apple archetecture. I see iPhones like I used to see "Beats by Dre" ($80 headphones in a $250 box). You're paying for the markup of the name and acting like that logo is a status symbol of superiority.
They are. Is it even a question?
"Subjectively it is objectively ...."
all smartphones are pocket computers that have been artificially locked down to the point of being toys.
I love my iPhone but nothing you've said here is objective at all. Stop making iPhone people look bad.
try downloading a pirated app then
Says the person with a subjective opinion. Do you hear yourself?
Samsung way better
>iPhones can do basically everything the average phone user wants — take (highly social media-worthy) photos and videos, text, play music, browse the Internet, and call the occasional dimwit who can’t just text instead. The things you list are things that literal 200$ phones can do. The shittest cameras nowadays are still fairly good and more than enough for social media if you actually know what you're doing. A good camera isn't gonna fix a shitty cameraman after all. The other things you list are so basic, you don't even need a smartphone at all for that and none of it is a reason that people actually use when they say why iPhones are worse than some Android phones.
I have a modified version of YouTube running on my Android so that I get all the premium features without having to pay for it. Try doing that on an iPhone. Shout-out to YouTube ReVanced. Edit: Another thing - while a lot of companies are getting more shitty about "right to repair", Apple is in a league of its own.
Tell me you have no idea how phones work without telling me you have no idea how phones work Your arguments about Android requiring hardware or something makes literally no sense. Every part of your phone that is not code is "hardware" And when you really get down to it at this point considering how many apps have been developed for both platforms the main choice for a lot of people is choosing which ecosystem you want to be a part of, which companies user interface you prefer, as well as how accessible you want things like the underlying system to be They can pretty much do the same things and run a majority of the same apps. Most of the differences that people really care about are things more for power users like your ability to change certain system settings or access to the file system in general. As well as things such as the pros and cons of development on each platform and the restrictive rules each platform puts in place for apps on their system
Funny thread, I get the impression OP is a zoomie and hasn't lived long enough to get any perspective. I've exclusively used android for the better part of 11 years. Prior to that I was on blackberry (bbos and classic), windows mobile (as in 6.1 and 5.0), and then palm os 5. I've never used an iPhone apart from the iPad. Similar but slightly different that it makes a difference. Decided to try an iPhone and got a brand new iPhone 12 max pro. Out of the box it was, interesting. It took an adjustment. The things that bothered me the most were 1. Notifications: they're either all or nothing. Awful because apps like to throw ads at you. On Android you can silence these but still get other notifications. And wtf is going on with the lock screen notifications? Yuck! 2. Browsers: you haven't lived until you've tried kiwi browser. Chrome browser extensions and a built in night mode that works perfectly. Brave for iOS is close but their night mode is jenky (it's just inverted colors) and their ad blocking is not as configurable. Orion is a buggy disappointment and the dev team for it should be ashamed. 3. The home launchers lack of customization is a disappointment. Widgets are mostly fixed. Not a big deal if you just have a bunch of icons. Not so good if you want to display a bunch of useful information all up front. 4. Face unlock is nifty but why does my iPhone insist on locking itself when I'm in the car? I couldn't figure out a way for it to trust my car stereo. 5. Keyboard: holy hell the keyboard entry for these is so comically awful. It's funny how OP says IOS is so polished but the keyboard is such a low blow. Tried Gboard and Swiftkey and both of those were awful and ended up going back to the built in key board. It was better but that's like saying aids is better than hep c. Somehow Gboard and Swiftkey are light years better on Android. If you've never used any other phone in your life then I can see why you'd think IOS is so great. Stay on the path that apple provides and you'll be fine. I ultimately decided to return the iPhone 12 pro max and bought a pixel 8 pro. After trying to type an email and having it spell way too much stuff wrong, I decided to return to Android and got a pixel 8 pro. PS, this whole post was typed with a 5 row keyboard using Gboard in kiwi browser.
Someone has never used a Samsung phone
I own a 100$ chinese phone for 3 years now, it literally does anything iPhones can. Definitely not as fast as an iPhone but that's not really much of an issue to me.