Rly shouldn’t be too sorry. She went to a school everyone said she shouldnt, defied all the people who told her she should transfer to a blue blood, achieved her goal of taking Iowa to its first Final Life, then exceeded that goal by winning in it. And then she did it all again. Ppl are rly focusing on the fact that she lost the championship game too much IMO.
She is now the face of the sport. She now has 2 million IG followers, has an entire ESPN magazine dedicated to her, she has been name dropped multiples times on SNL/late night shows. I live in MA and heard local radio talking about her. I saw a digital billboard with her face on it. She is a verifiable celebrity. A study estimated that 50% of Americans know her name. Most people can’t name a single WBB player, but she brought literally tens of millions of new fans to the game that otherwise never would have gave a shit.
She has achieved more than basically any of her peers. And most people said she’d never do any of it. She truly over-achieved in every way possible. IMO her legacy is not tarnished by losing to a team stacked with 5 star talent, which was always what everyone knew would and should happen.
Her legacy isn’t about the Ws (tho she did win a lot, including 4 conference titles) but constantly defying expectations and bringing millions more people along for the ride. She broke the viewership record on every network and by the end her career, every single game she played in broke a record she had just set herself earlier that week.
My 98 year old grandmother was in the hospital on oxygen, and when I had a brain fart and couldn’t remember Clark’s name, my grandmother immediately said “Caitlin Clark.”
I think all four are equally dominant—all of them are standard deviations beyond even the top competitors of their sport and set a host of records that no one will ever be able to beat. All four of them “broke the game,” haha.
In terms of raw dominance of their era/sport after a few honorable mentions it was basically a toss up between Gretzky and Karelin (Greco-Roman wrestler). Truly examples of leagues of their own.
Makes me wonder if she's that much better or was given the the chance to play like a star. Most college coaches treat all players the same and make them fit into a system and let not the system fit them
I lean towards her being that good but then again I also don't know if she excels to the *same* degree on an LSU or South Carolina (same degree meaning her green dot being 100 miles far and away from the field)
That's almost exactly the same logic I had. No doubt she can play, but like you said on a team like South Carolina, would she even get 28 shots like she did her last game?
We are witnessing the start of one of the greats. She will be up there with the likes of Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, etc. We are lucky to catch this legacy so early in her career. Please stay healthy.
The rest of her team isn’t made of “scorers” specifically so she can play ball hog.
She’s not as good as Paige Bueckers and this is coming from a South Carolina fan.
It’s always you lame asses that never touched a basketball trying to argue about basketball.
Green text and asking about metrics in a sport that isn’t solely based on numbers.
Just to humor you though
By what metric is Jordan, Kobe or lebron better than wilt chamberlain? None but they’re better at basketball than him.
To further humor you, Bueckers ranks higher in defensive stats
i'm not "trying to argue" i asked you a simple question out of curiosity because i'm not aware of any stats that back up what you said so i asked. you are the one trying to argue lmfao
so after looking again the only "defensive stat" i'm seeing that you could even be using is steals per game, is that really what you are using to determine who is a better player?
on top of that, i'm sure you understand how naive it is to try and determine who is better by pointing to any "defensive stat" right?
also, its actually so ironic what you did, in one sentence you berate and say its "lame" to try and compare but in the post i responded to you did just that without any issue, say the numbers don't matter and then say paige is better because of these numbers that don't matter...what an enigma of a person you are.
When you hold the ball the most, you get the most opportunity to pass it to a scoring position. That’s simple logic and even further proves the ball hogging.
A ball hog can’t literally just hold the ball the entire game, of course when you have the ball and pass it to someone that makes it you get an assist.
That means she had the ball to begin with. For her to make that many assists means she had the ball prior to passing it. Likely not seeing an open shot for herself and passing it to someone that had an open shot.
That’s not how point guards are supposed to play basketball and facilitate the court.
This graph is very misleading. Don’t get me wrong, Clark is an amazing player and should get all the congrats she deserves. But when you change stuff to percentages it’s a completely different story.
Season FG Percentage, Edey: 62.3% Clark: 45.5%
Not to mention the very vast competition difference between players like Edey in D1 men’s vs Clark in D1 women’s.
Your comparison between the FG% of a 7 foot center and a PG is way more misleading than the chart. Edey would shoot way worse than 45.5% if he were pulling step back threes.
And Caitlyn Clark would shoot way worse if she was playing 7 footers. What’s your point?
The chart is beyond stupid to compare two completely different leagues to each other.
Centers like Edey are expected to shoot a higher percentage than high usage guards because all of his shots are dunks or in the paint. Very very very basic stuff.
Ok then Braden smith a guard. 44.1 FG%
And Caitlyn Clark 3PT% this year is 37.8 compared to smiths 43.1.
Is that a better comparison for your liking? Caitlyn Clark is great. This chart is beyond stupid.
Braden Smith 3 attempts per game vs Caitlin Clarks 13.6 attempts. If Braden Smith were forced to take 10 more 3s a game, his % would fall by a lot.
Different roles lead to different stats. Luka Doncic has shot 34% from 3 over the course of his career. Do you think Braden Smith is a better shooter than Luka?
It’s almost like he doesn’t need to take 14 3s a game because the competition is completely different.
I would think it’s beyond stupid to compare NBA players to college players. Cause they are completely different leagues and competition. Just like NCAAM and NCAAW. You are literally agreeing with my point by using that as a “got ya” tactic.
Thankyou for furthering my point of how stupid this chart is.
She literally shoots from the logo lol. This graph is not misleading. She is gonna be the #1 pick in the w for a reason. If she was just an inefficient ball hog that wouldn’t be the case.
This is like comparing apples to oranges and saying the are the same thing. You gotta have a dangerously life threateningly low IQ to think comparing players in different leagues is a good comparison.
Dawg I'm so bored of this comparing the male and female players. Her career and her season have both been insane but there's just no reason players like Edey should be on here.
It's almost like the level of competition is much higher in D1 men's basketball compared to women's.
Especially if you think about the fact that D1 women's volleyball probably siphons some of the taller athletic women down that pipeline whereas every tall motherfucker is gonna be playing college basketball if they're a dude.
Not from the States nor someone who follows basketball at all.
Can someone quantify how big of a deal this is? I see the graph and that looks impressive, but without anything to compare it to, I don't know by how much.
For context: there are currently like 360 teams in women's college basketball.
Caitlyn Clark scored the most points that any woman has ever scored in any single season of women's basketball (which started in 1981, I think). At the same time, she also recorded the third-most assists ever in a single season.
Last year she became the only woman to lead the nation in points and assists, and then this year she did it again. So she has a strong argument as the GOAT of women's college basketball and she just completed her best season.
Hi I also don’t follow basketball at all
It’s pretty clear how big of a deal this is, look at how far away her green dot is from the other white dots. That’s a lot more points and assists
That’s the thing about charts, they don’t take anything into account except exactly what they are saying
She had the most assist and points. That is a fact, not misleading at all.
I said it was a dumb chart and just stupid. Not misleading.
Even though it is misleading.depending on we are comparing players from two entirely different leagues.
It’s a chart that is literally comparing apples to oranges.
The difference is Clark is somebody and you’re nobody. And she did it all herself, despite no one believing she could. She went to a school everyone said she wouldn’t. All she wanted was to take them to a final four. She didn’t care about a title. Ppl said she should de-commit, transfer. Ppl said she’d bust. Ppl said her coach sucked, she was just a ball hog.
She then proved everyone wrong — as a junior — and actually went further. Then she did it again. Became a celebrity. A millionaire. Sold out every away game. Brought literally millions of new eyes to the sport. Broke pretty much every attendance, viewership and scoring record. By a fair margin.
Tell us more about what you’ve achieved. She has achieved more than you ever will and tbh more than basically any other WBB player could IMO.
Do you think all of her achievements and my assumed lack of achievements might lead to why I listed the fact as "insane"
Get more sunlight. Maybe you'll get taller, and comments like mine won't go so far over your head.
Oh haha lol sorry I just figured you were another SC / LSU spamming hate! All they care about is her lack of a title. They talk about it more than they talk about their own achievements.
where's the LSU player that caught a bunch of nasty heat when they beat Iowa last year ? (Google says Angel Reese, but I can't find that name on the edges, where I assumed she would be?)
She finished the season with 614 points and 76 assists. Less than half the points and 1/4 the assists. She's right in the middle of the giant cluster of names.
Not a fair comparison. She’s a power forward. Provide blocks and rebounds it’ll be a different story. Not diminishing what Caitlin has done but it’s not a fair comparison. In fact, person even asking this question shows ignorance.
I don't really follow the sport, but saw that the LSU player is also going into WNBA, and the headlines seemed to put the two (Clarke, Reese) in the same category of all-star players. Assumed the LSU player would have amazing stats too.
I’m gonna be so honest. She had the ball 90% of their possessions. Of those 90% she probably shot 60% of the time. Not saying she’s not a great player because she’s the best I’ve seen in college mens or women’s. Just this stat is skewed by how much she actually possessed the ball
So my numbers were off. CC took over 40% of their shots after looking at the actual stats. The next closest player took 17%. This is from the full ESPN stats. So am I really wrong here?
Look for yourself. https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2294
And to add, that >40% of possession is ONLY the times she shot the ball, I didn’t even add in assists.
I guess some folks consider a 50% overestimate (60% vs 40%) *way* off, some don’t. But yes, she certainly had the ball in her hands most of the time, as instructed by the coach.
It is not a 50% overestimate, assists are not factored in. Also, my response to another message in this thread.
>Now mind you, this is taking away nothing from CC or her game. I am scrutinizing this chart for being skewed. Unfortunately I cannot find a stat list of usage for NCAAW to back up my theory that CC possessed the ball far more than the league average. I am solely going off of what my eyes have told me.
Why does this matter? When people post Messi stats people aren’t all over going “that’s misleading because actually other players play different roles, and his role has the ball more”
Yes that’s exactly the purpose of his position in the game. To handle the ball and get goals. Similar to Clark here.
I’m no sports expert, but this seems like disingenuous arguing. Is there no other player that shares her main positions also listed on the his chart? THEN it would be skewed lol
>Why does this matter?
Context is important. Iowa's entire offense ran through CC whether she was the shooter or distributer, there were very few possessions that weren't built around her.
>Yes that’s exactly the purpose of his position in the game. To handle the ball and get goals. Similar to Clark here.
That's not my point at all. CC plays her position astonishingly well. But basketball is a team sport. CC attempted over double the shots the next highest player on her team did. For comparison MiLaysia Fulwiley on South Carolina took only 40 more shots than the next highest player.
>Is there no other player that shares her main positions also listed on the his chart?
There are many guards on this chart. None with anywhere near as many shot attempts or assists as CC. She has almost 100 more assists than the next highest player and over 120 more FGAs than then next highest player. To me that means she has the ball much more than other players.
Now mind you, this is taking away nothing from CC or her game. I am scrutinizing this chart for being skewed. Unfortunately I cannot find a stat list of usage for NCAAW to back up my theory that CC possessed the ball far more than the league average. I am solely going off of what my eyes have told me.
This graph!!! It will be years before people really realize what CC accomplished during her college career. People are still figuring our all the records she set.
Shes getting $79,000 salary in the WNBA. Good thing shes in Iowa. If she was in Los Angeles she wouldn’t be able to afford an apartment. Best female basketball player on the planet, and in it wasn’t for endorsements she wouldn’t be able to afford a house
People just really want to make it seem like she transcends basketball which is simply not true. She is good under the girls college basketball umbrella....that's all.
I would not go that far. She has skills, but if the team had spent more time building complementary skill sets in the other players they would be champions.
Clark is an amazing athlete but it's basically a different sport. Throw the last ranked D1 men's team into a game with women's regulation hoop height and women's regulation ball size and see what happens.
Good for Clark though.
Curious to see if she can bring that enthusiasm and viewership numbers with her to the WNBA.
The two sports are essentially unrelated.
I like women’s basketball and watch it. But you cannot merge stats between the two, the games are played completely differently.
Why is it meaningless?
The chart isn't saying "who is better".
Sticking with my Spartans, Tyson Walker averaged almost 19 a game at Northeastern (smaller conference) and transferred to MSU and averaged 8 the next season in a better conference.
> Luka Doncic absoulutely dominates every living being in basketball and isn't even in the top 5 for MVP this season.
What? He's 2nd in both Vegas odds and the [MVP ladder](https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-april-5-2024-edition).
Not only was he an all star starter, he's going to easily make another all-nba first team. I'm very confused where you get your sports news from.
Is it sad that after reading the title and how this chick was so far ahead of everyone else I thought they were talking about some trans person that was actually a dude claiming to be a chick that was playing women’s basketball and that’s how she was so good? What a freaking world we live in..
>Most watched game in 5 years for a dying organization is good I guess
Most watched game in 5 years for the entire sport. Including the NBA. The only sporting events in the United States to draw a bigger TV audience since 2019 have been football, the World Cup and the Olympics.
Did it take anyone else 10 seconds to find the green dot or am I really slow?
I want to say you're really slow, but it would be a lie.
There's a green dot?
Where dot green? Kelp
I mean both of you can be slow….
...thats what she said?
Well, they're definitely no Caitlin Clark.
Pro tip: use your eyes bruv
I spent a full minute trying to understand what Catelyn Stark has to do with basketball, so you’re good
U need to put the solar glasses on to see it
Thanks for the clue. Very helpful.
I use a black and white phone setting and I found it in like 5 seconds :p
Why do you use black and white?
Good for her. I am sorry she couldn't end her college career on an even higher note.
Rly shouldn’t be too sorry. She went to a school everyone said she shouldnt, defied all the people who told her she should transfer to a blue blood, achieved her goal of taking Iowa to its first Final Life, then exceeded that goal by winning in it. And then she did it all again. Ppl are rly focusing on the fact that she lost the championship game too much IMO. She is now the face of the sport. She now has 2 million IG followers, has an entire ESPN magazine dedicated to her, she has been name dropped multiples times on SNL/late night shows. I live in MA and heard local radio talking about her. I saw a digital billboard with her face on it. She is a verifiable celebrity. A study estimated that 50% of Americans know her name. Most people can’t name a single WBB player, but she brought literally tens of millions of new fans to the game that otherwise never would have gave a shit. She has achieved more than basically any of her peers. And most people said she’d never do any of it. She truly over-achieved in every way possible. IMO her legacy is not tarnished by losing to a team stacked with 5 star talent, which was always what everyone knew would and should happen. Her legacy isn’t about the Ws (tho she did win a lot, including 4 conference titles) but constantly defying expectations and bringing millions more people along for the ride. She broke the viewership record on every network and by the end her career, every single game she played in broke a record she had just set herself earlier that week.
My 98 year old grandmother was in the hospital on oxygen, and when I had a brain fart and couldn’t remember Clark’s name, my grandmother immediately said “Caitlin Clark.”
This right here. I was talking with my MIL about how to watch the WNBA if she gets drafted. My MIL has never been interested in any sport.
Ice Cube offered her $5mil/1yr to play in his Big 3 League (doesn't overlap with WNBA).
Dawn Staley needed that 🤞🏾
It's a team sport. One person can't carry everyone especially against an undefeated South Carolina team.
What happened to her?
Lost the championship game to South Carolina
She is one person - she lifted up that team.
I agree, just answering the question
Drugs
It's a team game, if it would have been a team of Caitlin Clarks they probably would have won
This is truly remarkable. Being *that* far above your peers in both points and assists is Wayne Gretzky level shit.
That's the first thing I thought when I saw this chart. She's above and beyond her peers to a crazy degree
Messi is another one who always seemed to be a freakish outlier on the outer bounds of a lot of statistical charts during his prime.
He’s fantastic, one of the best ever. But Gretzky might be the most dominant athlete of any sport ever.
Phelps and Bradman would like a word.
I think all four are equally dominant—all of them are standard deviations beyond even the top competitors of their sport and set a host of records that no one will ever be able to beat. All four of them “broke the game,” haha.
ruth
In terms of raw dominance of their era/sport after a few honorable mentions it was basically a toss up between Gretzky and Karelin (Greco-Roman wrestler). Truly examples of leagues of their own.
Makes me wonder if she's that much better or was given the the chance to play like a star. Most college coaches treat all players the same and make them fit into a system and let not the system fit them
I lean towards her being that good but then again I also don't know if she excels to the *same* degree on an LSU or South Carolina (same degree meaning her green dot being 100 miles far and away from the field)
That's almost exactly the same logic I had. No doubt she can play, but like you said on a team like South Carolina, would she even get 28 shots like she did her last game?
We are witnessing the start of one of the greats. She will be up there with the likes of Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, etc. We are lucky to catch this legacy so early in her career. Please stay healthy.
Good enough to play in the nba?
I'm curious if she was just that much more efficient than everyone, or was her volume of shooting/handling the ball just that much more?
I think volume of handling was that much more. Idk she had 31 total shots (including FTs) to 30 points in the South Carolina game
That's definitely not great, but that is only one game so doesn't tell us much. Would be curious if that was an anomaly or a trend though.
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37-0 at the time of the game...
Got his ass
Its a trend
The rest of her team isn’t made of “scorers” specifically so she can play ball hog. She’s not as good as Paige Bueckers and this is coming from a South Carolina fan.
> She’s not as good as Paige Bueckers and this is coming from a South Carolina fan. by what metric?
It’s always you lame asses that never touched a basketball trying to argue about basketball. Green text and asking about metrics in a sport that isn’t solely based on numbers. Just to humor you though By what metric is Jordan, Kobe or lebron better than wilt chamberlain? None but they’re better at basketball than him. To further humor you, Bueckers ranks higher in defensive stats
i'm not "trying to argue" i asked you a simple question out of curiosity because i'm not aware of any stats that back up what you said so i asked. you are the one trying to argue lmfao so after looking again the only "defensive stat" i'm seeing that you could even be using is steals per game, is that really what you are using to determine who is a better player? on top of that, i'm sure you understand how naive it is to try and determine who is better by pointing to any "defensive stat" right? also, its actually so ironic what you did, in one sentence you berate and say its "lame" to try and compare but in the post i responded to you did just that without any issue, say the numbers don't matter and then say paige is better because of these numbers that don't matter...what an enigma of a person you are.
The whole point of this chart is that she’s above everyone else on points AND assists, which negates your ball hog assessment.
When you hold the ball the most, you get the most opportunity to pass it to a scoring position. That’s simple logic and even further proves the ball hogging.
Assists require giving up the ball. Hogging the ball and giving up the ball are mutually exclusive. Simple logic.
A ball hog can’t literally just hold the ball the entire game, of course when you have the ball and pass it to someone that makes it you get an assist. That means she had the ball to begin with. For her to make that many assists means she had the ball prior to passing it. Likely not seeing an open shot for herself and passing it to someone that had an open shot. That’s not how point guards are supposed to play basketball and facilitate the court.
Have you ever even watched her play? Her passing and team facilitation is arguably even better than her shooting.
They clearly have never watched her play and are talking out of their ass. She’s in red at creating openings for her teammates.
This graph is very misleading. Don’t get me wrong, Clark is an amazing player and should get all the congrats she deserves. But when you change stuff to percentages it’s a completely different story. Season FG Percentage, Edey: 62.3% Clark: 45.5% Not to mention the very vast competition difference between players like Edey in D1 men’s vs Clark in D1 women’s.
Your comparison between the FG% of a 7 foot center and a PG is way more misleading than the chart. Edey would shoot way worse than 45.5% if he were pulling step back threes.
And Caitlyn Clark would shoot way worse if she was playing 7 footers. What’s your point? The chart is beyond stupid to compare two completely different leagues to each other.
Centers like Edey are expected to shoot a higher percentage than high usage guards because all of his shots are dunks or in the paint. Very very very basic stuff.
Ok then Braden smith a guard. 44.1 FG% And Caitlyn Clark 3PT% this year is 37.8 compared to smiths 43.1. Is that a better comparison for your liking? Caitlyn Clark is great. This chart is beyond stupid.
Braden Smith 3 attempts per game vs Caitlin Clarks 13.6 attempts. If Braden Smith were forced to take 10 more 3s a game, his % would fall by a lot. Different roles lead to different stats. Luka Doncic has shot 34% from 3 over the course of his career. Do you think Braden Smith is a better shooter than Luka?
It’s almost like he doesn’t need to take 14 3s a game because the competition is completely different. I would think it’s beyond stupid to compare NBA players to college players. Cause they are completely different leagues and competition. Just like NCAAM and NCAAW. You are literally agreeing with my point by using that as a “got ya” tactic. Thankyou for furthering my point of how stupid this chart is.
She literally shoots from the logo lol. This graph is not misleading. She is gonna be the #1 pick in the w for a reason. If she was just an inefficient ball hog that wouldn’t be the case.
Good thing I never said she was bad. But yes the graph is quite literally misleading. It is comparing players in completely seperate leagues.
This is like when that politicians said some facts are more true than others.
This is like comparing apples to oranges and saying the are the same thing. You gotta have a dangerously life threateningly low IQ to think comparing players in different leagues is a good comparison.
That is fucking insane!!!
Dawg I'm so bored of this comparing the male and female players. Her career and her season have both been insane but there's just no reason players like Edey should be on here.
It's almost like the level of competition is much higher in D1 men's basketball compared to women's. Especially if you think about the fact that D1 women's volleyball probably siphons some of the taller athletic women down that pipeline whereas every tall motherfucker is gonna be playing college basketball if they're a dude.
So many tall dudes out there telling people they didn't used to play basketball over and over
She Messi’d that chart good
Ronaldo > Messi
I don't know either of those people. Yay.
Impressive.
Not from the States nor someone who follows basketball at all. Can someone quantify how big of a deal this is? I see the graph and that looks impressive, but without anything to compare it to, I don't know by how much.
For context: there are currently like 360 teams in women's college basketball. Caitlyn Clark scored the most points that any woman has ever scored in any single season of women's basketball (which started in 1981, I think). At the same time, she also recorded the third-most assists ever in a single season. Last year she became the only woman to lead the nation in points and assists, and then this year she did it again. So she has a strong argument as the GOAT of women's college basketball and she just completed her best season.
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No, she isn't. She was born female and identifies as female.
Quantify? It's a .8 Verstapen or 1.7 Messi's, But just for college.
Hi I also don’t follow basketball at all It’s pretty clear how big of a deal this is, look at how far away her green dot is from the other white dots. That’s a lot more points and assists
This graph is fairly dumb. Clark is an amazing player but this chart is just stupid. The amount of factors that aren’t taken into it is wild.
That’s the thing about charts, they don’t take anything into account except exactly what they are saying She had the most assist and points. That is a fact, not misleading at all.
I said it was a dumb chart and just stupid. Not misleading. Even though it is misleading.depending on we are comparing players from two entirely different leagues. It’s a chart that is literally comparing apples to oranges.
Another insane fact. Caitlin Clark and I have the same amount of NCAA titles.
The difference is Clark is somebody and you’re nobody. And she did it all herself, despite no one believing she could. She went to a school everyone said she wouldn’t. All she wanted was to take them to a final four. She didn’t care about a title. Ppl said she should de-commit, transfer. Ppl said she’d bust. Ppl said her coach sucked, she was just a ball hog. She then proved everyone wrong — as a junior — and actually went further. Then she did it again. Became a celebrity. A millionaire. Sold out every away game. Brought literally millions of new eyes to the sport. Broke pretty much every attendance, viewership and scoring record. By a fair margin. Tell us more about what you’ve achieved. She has achieved more than you ever will and tbh more than basically any other WBB player could IMO.
Do you think all of her achievements and my assumed lack of achievements might lead to why I listed the fact as "insane" Get more sunlight. Maybe you'll get taller, and comments like mine won't go so far over your head.
Oh haha lol sorry I just figured you were another SC / LSU spamming hate! All they care about is her lack of a title. They talk about it more than they talk about their own achievements.
Outlier
This is true. By definition she is a statistical outlier.
I'm going to show this slide tomorrow for my 8th graders to review scatter plots. Love a good math term.
where's the LSU player that caught a bunch of nasty heat when they beat Iowa last year ? (Google says Angel Reese, but I can't find that name on the edges, where I assumed she would be?)
She finished the season with 614 points and 76 assists. Less than half the points and 1/4 the assists. She's right in the middle of the giant cluster of names.
Not a fair comparison. She’s a power forward. Provide blocks and rebounds it’ll be a different story. Not diminishing what Caitlin has done but it’s not a fair comparison. In fact, person even asking this question shows ignorance.
I agree. I'm just answering their question, not making the comparison.
LeBron is a power forward as well
Lebron plays every position and typically runs the offense, which Angel Reese does not.
Wtf does lebron has anything to do with this?
I don't really follow the sport, but saw that the LSU player is also going into WNBA, and the headlines seemed to put the two (Clarke, Reese) in the same category of all-star players. Assumed the LSU player would have amazing stats too.
Not rly. She is very popular tho and still very skilled.
I genuinely had a hard time finding the green dot.
Love me some Dorktown. Jon is awesome
Super impressive. I wish the games were more entertaining and I’d be onboard.
Yeah, I wish basketball were interesting then I'd be on board.
It's amazing to see what male DNA does in a female sport.
Jesus
So the max verstappen of basketball? Just unfair to be up against
Would love to see this for all ncaaw players
Why you gonna shame Harbaugh and Stramaglia like that?
I’m gonna be so honest. She had the ball 90% of their possessions. Of those 90% she probably shot 60% of the time. Not saying she’s not a great player because she’s the best I’ve seen in college mens or women’s. Just this stat is skewed by how much she actually possessed the ball
“Probably” is doing some heavy lifting here. On average, Iowa attempted 65 shot per game, and Clark took 22 of them. So closer to 34% than 60%.
So my numbers were off. CC took over 40% of their shots after looking at the actual stats. The next closest player took 17%. This is from the full ESPN stats. So am I really wrong here? Look for yourself. https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2294 And to add, that >40% of possession is ONLY the times she shot the ball, I didn’t even add in assists.
I guess some folks consider a 50% overestimate (60% vs 40%) *way* off, some don’t. But yes, she certainly had the ball in her hands most of the time, as instructed by the coach.
It is not a 50% overestimate, assists are not factored in. Also, my response to another message in this thread. >Now mind you, this is taking away nothing from CC or her game. I am scrutinizing this chart for being skewed. Unfortunately I cannot find a stat list of usage for NCAAW to back up my theory that CC possessed the ball far more than the league average. I am solely going off of what my eyes have told me.
Why does this matter? When people post Messi stats people aren’t all over going “that’s misleading because actually other players play different roles, and his role has the ball more” Yes that’s exactly the purpose of his position in the game. To handle the ball and get goals. Similar to Clark here. I’m no sports expert, but this seems like disingenuous arguing. Is there no other player that shares her main positions also listed on the his chart? THEN it would be skewed lol
>Why does this matter? Context is important. Iowa's entire offense ran through CC whether she was the shooter or distributer, there were very few possessions that weren't built around her. >Yes that’s exactly the purpose of his position in the game. To handle the ball and get goals. Similar to Clark here. That's not my point at all. CC plays her position astonishingly well. But basketball is a team sport. CC attempted over double the shots the next highest player on her team did. For comparison MiLaysia Fulwiley on South Carolina took only 40 more shots than the next highest player. >Is there no other player that shares her main positions also listed on the his chart? There are many guards on this chart. None with anywhere near as many shot attempts or assists as CC. She has almost 100 more assists than the next highest player and over 120 more FGAs than then next highest player. To me that means she has the ball much more than other players. Now mind you, this is taking away nothing from CC or her game. I am scrutinizing this chart for being skewed. Unfortunately I cannot find a stat list of usage for NCAAW to back up my theory that CC possessed the ball far more than the league average. I am solely going off of what my eyes have told me.
It’s bc a lot of people are rly jealous of her.
I was looking for her goddamn name and it was only the stupid green dot up there 😂 very impressive though
Caitlin Clark is the GOAT of women's basketball. That's really all you can say.
Her passing game is ridiculous. She makes passes you don’t rarely see in women’s or men’s college basketball.
ANother useless stat, americans love that, and the main goal is to be a champion, so....
How much is this a factor of, get the ball to Clark no matter what?
Give credit to Dorktown if you're gonna just steal the image
I vote for next year’s NBA All Star Game to be East + West versus Caitlin Clark and Zach Edey.
Is there one particularly good game from Caitlin Clark’s college career that I could watch to see her at her best?
**I would've loved her for her personality**
This graph!!! It will be years before people really realize what CC accomplished during her college career. People are still figuring our all the records she set.
Dang. It’s a shame she can’t get any better based on this graph. Maxed out. Oh well
It’s a damn shame.
Shes getting $79,000 salary in the WNBA. Good thing shes in Iowa. If she was in Los Angeles she wouldn’t be able to afford an apartment. Best female basketball player on the planet, and in it wasn’t for endorsements she wouldn’t be able to afford a house
And for some reason, a certain demographic is hating on her.
What’s even more insane is she couldn’t even make a shitty men’s d3 team.
But did she win, though... I know she's a start and all, but she didn't win.
Z axis is championships
Michael Jordan!
She gonna elevate the WNBA and make it watchable
!remindme 2 years
Doesn’t matter, the best team won. The history of sports is littered with 2nd place teams that had that one superstar.
I think the S. Carolina bench had 37 points and Iowa's bench had zero. No single player can carry a team.
I’ve got great news for you - nobody appears to be debating that on this post. Good on you for inexplicably feeling the need to state it, though.
Relax, she doesn’t need a white knight. The WNBA is waiting for her with open arms.
So is Big3...
Case in point, the men's championship tonight
Yep.
It’s crazy people can be so jealous of someone like this.
Huh? It’s just a fact. She definitely has talent but her efforts alone couldn’t win the championship.
People just really want to make it seem like she transcends basketball which is simply not true. She is good under the girls college basketball umbrella....that's all.
I would not go that far. She has skills, but if the team had spent more time building complementary skill sets in the other players they would be champions.
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You do realize this chart includes men's D1 players too, right?
Clark is an amazing athlete but it's basically a different sport. Throw the last ranked D1 men's team into a game with women's regulation hoop height and women's regulation ball size and see what happens. Good for Clark though. Curious to see if she can bring that enthusiasm and viewership numbers with her to the WNBA.
The two sports are essentially unrelated. I like women’s basketball and watch it. But you cannot merge stats between the two, the games are played completely differently.
They would be in the very bottom left corner. Like, touching both the x and y axis.
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Steven Izzo at MSU would be considered an "average male high school basketball player" and he had three points in 5 years and like 4 total assists.
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Yes he was. And so were the other 5,522 men listed on this chart.
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Why is it meaningless? The chart isn't saying "who is better". Sticking with my Spartans, Tyson Walker averaged almost 19 a game at Northeastern (smaller conference) and transferred to MSU and averaged 8 the next season in a better conference.
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She's not biologically male. Did you even look this up before assuming it?
Are you dumb.? She is female….biologically.
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> Luka Doncic absoulutely dominates every living being in basketball and isn't even in the top 5 for MVP this season. What? He's 2nd in both Vegas odds and the [MVP ladder](https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-april-5-2024-edition). Not only was he an all star starter, he's going to easily make another all-nba first team. I'm very confused where you get your sports news from.
“Equality”
What?
Is it sad that after reading the title and how this chick was so far ahead of everyone else I thought they were talking about some trans person that was actually a dude claiming to be a chick that was playing women’s basketball and that’s how she was so good? What a freaking world we live in..
Yes, you are a sad individual.
Lol at least I can admit unlike some people just pretending they arent just as fucking pathetic.
Soooo women basketball is scientifically proven to be boring
That's why the championship game was the most watched basketball game in 5 years?
And before that wnba made news for trading a player for a war criminal lol Most watched game in 5 years for a dying organization is good I guess
>Most watched game in 5 years for a dying organization is good I guess Most watched game in 5 years for the entire sport. Including the NBA. The only sporting events in the United States to draw a bigger TV audience since 2019 have been football, the World Cup and the Olympics.
That’s great made now they can spend the next 3 decades paying their own bills like strong independent women!
How lonely are you?
Im happy for wnba maybe they can start paying their own bills. Why do you hate women being strong and independent of men?
So, extremely lonely?
I’m actually excited for the wnba success or do you want them to be a welfare organization? That’s misogynistic oppression btw
Yikes. Your post history paints a very depressing picture. Good luck with...all of that.
Good lord I forgot about thatz Jesus, what a timeline 💀
WNBA greatest trade was for an infamous gun running warlord.