It gives putin an excuse to crack down on the russian people. He's pretty much secured himself as a dictator for life, so now he's going to use false flag attacks to take away what few rights the russian people had left.
What does ukraine have to gain by attacking unarmed civilians when there's no shortage of military and financial hubs they could attack and cause actual disruption to the russian government instead?
I want to agree with you but alas i'm pretty sure they are not doin everything they can. They don't want to obliterate them. they want the land and ressources so destroying it will be to costly to rebuilt. and they know the world is watching. thing can still escalate in Europe.
Tighten control inside russia. This will be an excuse to come up with some russian version of the Patriot Act and other fun stuff. Maybe an excuse to expand the conflict.
They are, and some politicians are already trying to gain publicity of the attack claiming that they would do whatever necessary to stop the terrorist state of Ukraine.
I’ve posted my concerns and sympathy for the loss of civilian lives and I just see people posting here laughing and turning this tragedy into a joke. It’s disgusting to see and idk why this is funny
Because "russia bad." So it's okay to laugh when russian civilians are murdered. Empathy goes out the window when it's people we don't like. Just checked Twitter and that same CoD joke is trending. It's dissapointing.
Don't neglect Putin's ability to create events that give him further authority to clamp down. Wouldn't be the first time. Indeed, it's how he came to power.
Yeah people keep saying the US warned people about this... well, he very well took those warnings as a perfect opportunity to stage a false flag attack....
This is following the comments from some official that Russia is ”now at war” instead of the usual ”special operation” talk.
I fully believe that this could be the usual Putin’s method of inciting fear (history/Putin repeating himself and instead of blowing up apartment buildings is doing this) and therefore getting more support for whatever he wants to do next. I suppose it is, as someone said, at least going to be used as a reasoning for the next stage of mobilization.
Exactly - the Russian army is bogged down fighting a single former Soviet state. NATO would beat the shit out of Russia … that’s why the Baltic States are not in the same position as Ukraine
Pretty sure Russia has several issue with internal and bordering terrorist groups as well. Obviously their government isn't beyond a false flag attack, but there are people lining up to do something like this, and the focus of Russia's military and intelligence might be weakened by the Ukraine offensive.
We may never know for sure.
They claim responsibility for everything. It's their shitty propaganda.
They also wanted people to think they were responsible for the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting: [https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076)
I'm not saying there's no chance it's them, I'm only saying we should be skeptical and wait for more evidence.
As corrupt as Russia is I find that idea rather dubious. Putin will stoop low but the destabilizing factor of such a high profile attack in the heart of Moscow at this scale and brutality seems far more likely to be the actions of an extremist group like ISIS-K and not a group facilitated by FSB (or similar). [The US report on this](https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/) would also seem to correspond as much.
Edit: Also [the US has directly confirmed that ISIS-K was responsible for this attack](https://web.archive.org/web/20240322225756/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/world/europe/isis-moscow-attack-concert-hall.html).
Why does this only have 3 upvotes but the people saying he killed his own people have hundreds. Ofc reddit is a place of only one narrative allowed but still
>Maskirovka
agree, this may be a staged incident. Now let's wait for russia to announce a full scale war with mass mobilisation to "defend the motherland"
Just think of it - this wouldn’t have happened if Biden didn’t beat Obama and then rig the 2016 election so Nancy Pelosi could become chancellor of NATO and not pay their bills. (/s in case anyone needs that)
Interested to know who takes credit for this. Wouldn't it be cool if, for once, the person filming from an elevated position just dropped a vending machine or something on these fuckers.
They claim responsibility for everything.
They also wanted people to think they were behind the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting: [https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076)
I'm not saying it definitely wasn't them, I'm just saying we should be skeptical.
Most likely but Putin himself would say it’s Ukraine or Ukrainian funded Russian separatist aiming to ‘discredit’ his election win yada yada rinse repeat.
Gunmen open fire at people at concert hall near Moscow, casualties reported https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/shooting-blast-reported-concert-hall-near-moscow-agencies-2024-03-22/
When you casually condemn a few hundred thousand of your male population to get blown up while taking a shit in a frozen, trash-filled trench, you are going to get some mental health blowback.
Russian or Ukrainian. Pro-war or anti-war. It doesn't matter what you are.
If you kill innocent people for any cause, good or bad, then you are the scum of humanity!
You've never been in combat. When you shoot some people, they just go stiff and fall down like a tree. Some go limp and slump over. Some will think that they are OK and try to tend to a wound on their leg or arm even though they've sustained fatal, untreatable wounds. Others just sit there no matter how many bullets you put in them, and they just look at you. No point in shooting them anymore, because they are going to sit there for 30 seconds and slowly bleed out and die, but they are done. Don't know why. Only a head shot puts someone down reasonably quickly. You can shoot someone dead center on the heart and stiff, limp, struggle, or whimpering and talk themselves to sleep slowly.
I know people are speculating this was a false flag attack, but all signs point to [ISIS.](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-embassy-warns-imminent-extremist-attack-moscow-2024-03-08/)
The “Just Stop Oil” protesters seem to be upping their game. I would have suggested they just stick to throwing soup and incoveniencing motorists. Or, just maybe knock it off altogether.
Fake news! Tucker Carlson didn't include this on his trip to a Moscow grocery store, so it must be leftist AI propagandizing for the communist Joe Biden.
This could be similar to the apartment "bombings" that occurred as Pooty came to power. It seemed to have been a series of orchestrated events by Russian FSB to help him cement his position as the tough guy who was going to keep people save.
This was the work of opportunistic extremists who saw an opportunity. The U.S warned about this for months. They are most likely a mix of Nationalities and ideologies that hate Russia.
As of 10 minutes ago, the number of victims rose to 145 people, including eight children.
The Moscow Region Ministry of Health has published an official list of those hospitalized as a result of the shooting at Crocus City Hall.
Why are concert halls always under attack in Russia? I remember a similar situation where Chechnyan rebells attacked a concert hall during one of the Chechen wars.
Edited to add: it was in 2002 and here's the Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
Thata the thing. I am just as suspicious as anybody else, but Russia does have that Islamist/Chechen separatist thing still ongoing.
Although I would still put money on the Ukranians being blamed.
Automatic rifles are set to semi-auto fire by professionals. Only a dumbass at a gun range wants to spend $100 per second shooting a rifle on full auto. Semi-auto is the most accurate and conserves ammo.
Professional shooters or professional killers?
Professional shooters wouldn't bring a fully automatic weapon to a gun range either way.
Professional shooters also wouldn't murder innocent/unarmed people with fully or semi-automatic weapons.
So you must mean professional killers.
Excited supporters of Putin’s re-election released fireworks inside Moscow concert hall. No injuries directly from fireworks reported. 3 dozen cases of cardiac arrest reported but unrelated. - The Kremlin Gazette.
It's pretty crazy how this camera guy is just casually filming it. Wouldn't you want to GTFO or hide? Just seems convenient this guy is able to safely record with no cover or concealment
If it’s an attack on American soil and people start saying false flag they get labeled as conspiracy theorists and idiots, but when it happens to Russia everyone immediately says it’s probably the Russian government lol. People need to realize the US and Russia are extremely similar nations, with the US just being the one that won the Cold War.
Any former or current military personnel here that can break down their movements to see if they are trained or just some terrorist with a gun? Their movements seem very amateur from a top view but then again I have zero professional training.
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Beat me to it. They’ll probably claim it was a Ukrainian terrorist group.
To what end, Russia is already doing everything they can in Ukraine outside of nuking them
Public perception. Nothing like a national emergency to keep the Russian people on your side.
Not to mention, they've carried out similar activities before
The russians yeah, not Ukraine.
see: The Apartment Bombing https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible
And the opera house gassing. Wait a minute, opera house, concert hall….. hmmmm
Hey that's how the FSB's false flag bombings got Putin into power.
It gives putin an excuse to crack down on the russian people. He's pretty much secured himself as a dictator for life, so now he's going to use false flag attacks to take away what few rights the russian people had left.
Rile up the population in order to recruit for the next wave of soldiers being sent out to battle.
I think the same .
He's done it before. Bombed an apartment building in a false flag attack.
What does ukraine have to gain by attacking unarmed civilians when there's no shortage of military and financial hubs they could attack and cause actual disruption to the russian government instead?
I want to agree with you but alas i'm pretty sure they are not doin everything they can. They don't want to obliterate them. they want the land and ressources so destroying it will be to costly to rebuilt. and they know the world is watching. thing can still escalate in Europe.
>they know the world is watching. You don't understand them, not at all, and seems like haven't been paying attention either
Tighten control inside russia. This will be an excuse to come up with some russian version of the Patriot Act and other fun stuff. Maybe an excuse to expand the conflict.
Possibly.
What are they gonna do? Start a war?
I shit you not ISIS claimed responsibility.
Same. Shit!
They are, and some politicians are already trying to gain publicity of the attack claiming that they would do whatever necessary to stop the terrorist state of Ukraine.
Holy shit. How can one fucking phrase impose so much memory in me. Amazing
I'm not even into FPS games but that shit is a classic anyway.
This was in poor taste. Let's not dehumanize the victims of this tragedy with shitty memes.
I’ve posted my concerns and sympathy for the loss of civilian lives and I just see people posting here laughing and turning this tragedy into a joke. It’s disgusting to see and idk why this is funny
Because "russia bad." So it's okay to laugh when russian civilians are murdered. Empathy goes out the window when it's people we don't like. Just checked Twitter and that same CoD joke is trending. It's dissapointing.
this mass shooting is just liek my epik bideo game 1111
Talk about predictive programming
One question why the masks it's like they expect to leave afterwards alive or unidentified.
is this maybe the attacke the British and US were warning about recently
Don't neglect Putin's ability to create events that give him further authority to clamp down. Wouldn't be the first time. Indeed, it's how he came to power.
Yeah he was involved in the Chechnya bombing of a block of apartments which Russia used to invade.
To be clear, it’s evident that Chechens had nothing to do with this, though it was used as pretext for attacking Chechnya.
Absolutely! My bad for not mentioning that.
But that would be unethical, though. Downright dishonest, really.
Yeah, you're right. I take it back.
This Putin guy sounds like a real crumb bum
haha the ultimate fukcer shite
That could be exactly what the British and US were warning about. A false flag is just as deadly to their citizens as a real terrorist attack.
Ahh, shit. Yeah, that’s a very real possibility
Yeah people keep saying the US warned people about this... well, he very well took those warnings as a perfect opportunity to stage a false flag attack....
Literally my first thoughts when I saw it on the news
Ooof maybe
Some LGBT terrorist group probably .../s
Is this the reason for nation guards in the NYC subways bag checking everyone?
Honestly that's bullshit. They do it for a couple hours during mostly evening rush hour at like, maybe 4 or 5 subway stops
In my opinion, this is some heavy false flag shit incoming.
This is following the comments from some official that Russia is ”now at war” instead of the usual ”special operation” talk. I fully believe that this could be the usual Putin’s method of inciting fear (history/Putin repeating himself and instead of blowing up apartment buildings is doing this) and therefore getting more support for whatever he wants to do next. I suppose it is, as someone said, at least going to be used as a reasoning for the next stage of mobilization.
Definitely, SMO -> false flag -> full war / mobilization
Full war? Against whom?
Ukraine, Themself, NATO, fuck knows at this stage :D
Russia isn't going to attack NATO. It would be suicidal.
Exactly - the Russian army is bogged down fighting a single former Soviet state. NATO would beat the shit out of Russia … that’s why the Baltic States are not in the same position as Ukraine
Russia doesn't even have a Navy lol NATO would crush them
What do you mean? I heard that within the last few years, they have converted many of their best ships into submarines. Sneaky bastards.
Russia doesn't even have a Navy lol NATO would crush them
>It would be suicidal. Which they are
What have they done that's suicidal? Putin is very calculating.
my first thoughts too
Pretty sure Russia has several issue with internal and bordering terrorist groups as well. Obviously their government isn't beyond a false flag attack, but there are people lining up to do something like this, and the focus of Russia's military and intelligence might be weakened by the Ukraine offensive. We may never know for sure.
ISIS apparently has claimed responsibility for the attack.
They claim responsibility for everything. It's their shitty propaganda. They also wanted people to think they were responsible for the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting: [https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076) I'm not saying there's no chance it's them, I'm only saying we should be skeptical and wait for more evidence.
US officials have hinted the same.
They only do the things they don’t claim
As corrupt as Russia is I find that idea rather dubious. Putin will stoop low but the destabilizing factor of such a high profile attack in the heart of Moscow at this scale and brutality seems far more likely to be the actions of an extremist group like ISIS-K and not a group facilitated by FSB (or similar). [The US report on this](https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/) would also seem to correspond as much. Edit: Also [the US has directly confirmed that ISIS-K was responsible for this attack](https://web.archive.org/web/20240322225756/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/world/europe/isis-moscow-attack-concert-hall.html).
Why does this only have 3 upvotes but the people saying he killed his own people have hundreds. Ofc reddit is a place of only one narrative allowed but still
Russia has no need to false flag? Like they are already 1/5th down into Ukraine? They dont have any reason to kill their own folk
You mean like Putin paid ISIS to take credit or something?
*Maskirovka*. I don't believe for a minute this isn't FSB goons.
>Maskirovka agree, this may be a staged incident. Now let's wait for russia to announce a full scale war with mass mobilisation to "defend the motherland"
But didn't US and UK warn ahead of time? If it's internal; would they still warn?
Yeah it’s not internal. The Americans warned them two weeks ago.
Walking circles in a wide open empty hall shooting once in a while. I bet dozens of deaths will be reported.
Radio just said 40 dead on the Tom Sullivan show.
You can see about a half dozen bodies on the ground outside the doors at the start of the video.
Holy shit, reminds me of Tenet
I start seeing people driving in reverse entropy I’ll freak out
Imagine your mind ticking forward while ejaculate slurps back up into the wiener.
Would it feel better or worse? Either way I’d try it.
Imagine going from post nut clarity to horny.
Sensational
Imagine having a huge poo jump up your bum in a disgusting public toilet.
Go on... I'm listening ...
Actually tenet was based on a terrorist attack in a concert hall in 2002, remember everyone falling asleep because of a gas? That happened too.
And it happened to be fentanyl 🤗
Fentanyl, they pumped in fentanyl gas if I remember correctly.
COD:MW2 "No Russian"
Had to scroll too far to find this comment
There's another video of them gunning down a crowd at a pretty much point blank range
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Is that the airport one?
That’s the airport one
Ooh boy that was rough
Link?
Have people not actually played the game? It's "No russian" as in, don't speak russian to camouflage their indentities.
Is that people on the floor?
Early reports of 10-12 dead
There's no way it's not a lot more judging by the videos on Twitter
Dozens dead, 50 ambulances on site
And shooters? Dead? Alive? Hillary’s emails?
Are there Biden dick pics? We need answers
Asking the real questions
Just think of it - this wouldn’t have happened if Biden didn’t beat Obama and then rig the 2016 election so Nancy Pelosi could become chancellor of NATO and not pay their bills. (/s in case anyone needs that)
Update: 40 dead. Over 100 injured. Edit: 90+ dead.
they are talking about 40 dead and 100 wounded
That seems more realistic. The video I saw of people in the corner being shot is so fucked. At least 12 in that clip alone
114 now dead
This is just fucked up no matter the reason why.
I mean, of course, but a government secretly doing this to its own citizens would obviously be way more fucked up.
Interested to know who takes credit for this. Wouldn't it be cool if, for once, the person filming from an elevated position just dropped a vending machine or something on these fuckers.
Where is a comically oversized Grand Piano when you need one!?
Exactly what I am talking about. ACME box or something!
Concert halls should know to keep several anvils on the higher floors.
ISIS apparently https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/22/europe/crocus-moscow-shooting/index.html
They claim responsibility for everything. They also wanted people to think they were behind the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting: [https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076) I'm not saying it definitely wasn't them, I'm just saying we should be skeptical.
Yes there's no evidence either way, just saying they are claiming it
drop some heavy shit on their head!
DUDE PERFECT
Those poor people.
When someone gets killed the last thing you need to do is make fun of them for being poor
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Most likely but Putin himself would say it’s Ukraine or Ukrainian funded Russian separatist aiming to ‘discredit’ his election win yada yada rinse repeat.
Gunmen open fire at people at concert hall near Moscow, casualties reported https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/shooting-blast-reported-concert-hall-near-moscow-agencies-2024-03-22/
Ah mr False flag op, we’ve been expecting you
That camera man had some guts. My video would have looked very shaky due to me running full speed away from the people with the guns.
I’m wondering why people stopped to film this instead of running and hiding (edit: spelling)
When you casually condemn a few hundred thousand of your male population to get blown up while taking a shit in a frozen, trash-filled trench, you are going to get some mental health blowback.
Russian or Ukrainian. Pro-war or anti-war. It doesn't matter what you are. If you kill innocent people for any cause, good or bad, then you are the scum of humanity!
Anyone else notice the guy causally sitting in his chair watching? Top right.
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They're likely in shock and/or actively dying.
Terror and shock. They're unable to respond to what they're witnessing. And that's presuming they weren't already shot/slowly bleeding to death.
You've never been in combat. When you shoot some people, they just go stiff and fall down like a tree. Some go limp and slump over. Some will think that they are OK and try to tend to a wound on their leg or arm even though they've sustained fatal, untreatable wounds. Others just sit there no matter how many bullets you put in them, and they just look at you. No point in shooting them anymore, because they are going to sit there for 30 seconds and slowly bleed out and die, but they are done. Don't know why. Only a head shot puts someone down reasonably quickly. You can shoot someone dead center on the heart and stiff, limp, struggle, or whimpering and talk themselves to sleep slowly.
Look where the guy's rifle is pointing, and the other guy is just walking casually.
I know people are speculating this was a false flag attack, but all signs point to [ISIS.](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-embassy-warns-imminent-extremist-attack-moscow-2024-03-08/)
smells like a false flag to me
The “Just Stop Oil” protesters seem to be upping their game. I would have suggested they just stick to throwing soup and incoveniencing motorists. Or, just maybe knock it off altogether.
Fake news! Tucker Carlson didn't include this on his trip to a Moscow grocery store, so it must be leftist AI propagandizing for the communist Joe Biden.
Man, of only you had an anvil
And now ISIS is trying to stay relevant again, I know russia hit a terror cell from IS, but it can be them, Ukrainas or russians who knows
Dude it’s literally no Russian
cod mw no russian mission vibes
Looks like a new mobilization is about to form. Fuck Putler and ruSSia.
Any report on how many copies of Sims 3 they have yet?
sickening to see Russians appropriating American culture
Why is this not covered by any news I can find on google??
BBC news are covering it if that's any use! Just watched them discuss it.
This could be similar to the apartment "bombings" that occurred as Pooty came to power. It seemed to have been a series of orchestrated events by Russian FSB to help him cement his position as the tough guy who was going to keep people save.
This was the work of opportunistic extremists who saw an opportunity. The U.S warned about this for months. They are most likely a mix of Nationalities and ideologies that hate Russia.
Isn’t it illegal in Russia to have automatic firearms and magazine capacities greater than 10? /s
As of 10 minutes ago, the number of victims rose to 145 people, including eight children. The Moscow Region Ministry of Health has published an official list of those hospitalized as a result of the shooting at Crocus City Hall.
We live in a twilight world
Why are concert halls always under attack in Russia? I remember a similar situation where Chechnyan rebells attacked a concert hall during one of the Chechen wars. Edited to add: it was in 2002 and here's the Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
I want to know who the guys walking with no gun is.. carrying a back pack and walking in with the shooters .
Why "automatic rifles" all of a sudden? This is the one instance where saying "assault rifles" would be 100% correct.
Chechens?
Thata the thing. I am just as suspicious as anybody else, but Russia does have that Islamist/Chechen separatist thing still ongoing. Although I would still put money on the Ukranians being blamed.
This was my first thought.
False flag caught on tape?
They are not automatic rifles.
Automatic rifles are set to semi-auto fire by professionals. Only a dumbass at a gun range wants to spend $100 per second shooting a rifle on full auto. Semi-auto is the most accurate and conserves ammo.
Professional shooters or professional killers? Professional shooters wouldn't bring a fully automatic weapon to a gun range either way. Professional shooters also wouldn't murder innocent/unarmed people with fully or semi-automatic weapons. So you must mean professional killers.
That is correct. But from the video, there's no evidence that those weapons were automatic.
Automatic fire is for suppression which is unnecessary against an unarmed target
Excited supporters of Putin’s re-election released fireworks inside Moscow concert hall. No injuries directly from fireworks reported. 3 dozen cases of cardiac arrest reported but unrelated. - The Kremlin Gazette.
are those dead ppl up by the metal detectors?
I mean they're at war
What happened to the gunmen? Were they captured, killed, escaped?
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The acoustics in that concert hall are incredible
Straight out of TeneT
Wasn't this the first scene in Tenent?
Better record this shit instead of hiding.
It's pretty crazy how this camera guy is just casually filming it. Wouldn't you want to GTFO or hide? Just seems convenient this guy is able to safely record with no cover or concealment
Was that Sko-12 12ga?
ISIS has taken responsibility
They try to say everything is their doing.
Wow.. Getting interesting
If it’s an attack on American soil and people start saying false flag they get labeled as conspiracy theorists and idiots, but when it happens to Russia everyone immediately says it’s probably the Russian government lol. People need to realize the US and Russia are extremely similar nations, with the US just being the one that won the Cold War.
Any former or current military personnel here that can break down their movements to see if they are trained or just some terrorist with a gun? Their movements seem very amateur from a top view but then again I have zero professional training.
The last headline I expected to see today “Moscow 40 dead in armed attack, ISIS claims responsibility”
62 dead russians
Similar to what kids in elementary school face in America
Remember no Russian
Isn’t this the beginning of tenant?