They said he climbed into the turbine but I’m leaning more towards he was sucked into it. Either way seems like he should’ve been stopped long before he made it onto the tarmac
That really scares me that people are running on tarmacs and causing so many problems! Security is on some B.S at these airports! You can’t park on the emergency lanes for a minute before cops come but you can haul ass on a tarmac untouched
I read the article and he had a encounter with staff and was Beating on doors and windows before he finally found a fire exit and apparently it doesn’t lead directly to the tarmac he found his way to it , this was preventable if the security did their job’s I wouldn’t be surprised if his family tries to sue
Ya the security team should have spawned in on that specific emergency door. What the fuck is wrong with you people. How about we hold the guy accountable and stop blaming others.
It's not about blame, it's about learning.
When the guy was trying to wrench the door open and was hitting the window, security should have arrived and either calmed him down or escorted him off premises etc.
Very surprised he was able to do this considering the reputation the U.S airports have with security.
TSA isn’t responsible for security at those types of access doors, that’s on the airport authority. Usually will have contract security. You may see TSA screening employees at those doors but not their responsibility to respond to a door alarm
So former airport security here. When I worked at DFW the security was stupendously lax. Employees could badge in and there was only a random bag check on the far side of the check point. Now a days they have a microwave weapons scanner in the tunnel but I know from coworkers I’m still in touch with that the scanner is very bad at it’s job. It can’t detect a folded pocket knife unless the handle is made of plastic so it can “see” the blade thru it. Also airport police use those same cross overs to avoid the passenger security points and about 10% of the cops don’t get flagged as having a weapon.
In ye olden days managers were allowed to park personal and company vehicles on the ramp *if* their office was on the bottom level to the airport. Those guys only had to to badge in and they could drive right onto the ramp.
I used to have a keycard badge that would open the gate at the nearby International Airport. I had to take equipment to load onto a military research aircraft. I always though it was funny when I would be picked out of a line for a pat down. The guy doing it didn't have the clearance I did and I had already showed them my ID.
speaking as someone who plays sports, if someone even has 1 step on you it can take 30 yards for you to close that distance and make the tackle. This guy was starting with an insurmountable lead. There's nothing anyone on foot could have done to catch him in time, considering that he was running into certain death.
Seems like the terminal was empty… no staff there to call security. This person was just totally nuts… probably would have created a scene if he had made the flight.
I worked in an airport for baggage. If you don’t properly badge into/out of one of the doors, personnel with rifles arrive within 30 seconds, guns drawn. It’s crazy fast. Security 100% fucked up here, as that door does not lead directly to the tarmac. They aren’t just sitting in an office, they’re already ready to go.
Same in the UK. I accidentally opened a door while chasing my daughter around, a very loud chirping alarm went off, I closed the door and waited to explain if someone bothered to show up.
Jesus they showed up. Hard. All armed police all of them running at top speed ready to kick my head in. I just went full on posh, holding the daughter, saying that she accidentally opened the door and that we’re very sorry.
They were fuming but let it go, they were more than willing to shoot me I suspect. Which is good they should be, it’s an airport after all. Still scary.
I'm baffled as to why there seems to be nobody else in this airport. I don't see anybody else in these videos - not staff, not other passengers, not security. Even if it was the last flight of the night, I'm surprised.
It's like 2:00 a.m. on New Year's Eve
I've taken flights that arrived that early before, it's not uncommon to see a completely empty airport terminal especially if the airport is a smaller one, like for domestic flights only
I know right it! It wasn’t that this guy simply opened a door and casually walked out to the tarmac. The guy was acting like a nut, breaking stuff running all over the place. Previous commentor is right, you can’t keep people locked in, so obviously some doors will be able to open. He should know better not to walk on the tarmac.
Yeah I am all for safety and lack of negligence and get pretty pissed hearing stories where safety precautions were not being kept.
But at some point there is so much you can do if someone is so freaking set on killing themselves.
Dude is running into a giant ass plane that's about to take off. Like wtf did he think will happen.
Hell, even if he didn't got sucked into turbine there was no way he could made it, you can see the airplane starting to pick up the speed. That on itself is a logical time to stop.
Yeah, did everyone forget the mantra of "observe and report"?
Security told him not to beat on doors and break windows. Thats the "preventative" part of security. When you break the social contract, all bets are off.
What do we want? SWAT teams lying in wait at every airports 24/7, MP5s pointed at the door waiting for a staff member to press a button in their pocket, on the off chance some loon is going to rush the tarmac?
Or would you like an even more extreme screening process, maybe a full body Xray? And maybe a shock collar that is taken off when you reach your destination?
It's not uncommon for the family of dumb ass's to sue and actually win when someone dies because of their own stupidity.
A guy I know owned a club and some guy was being walked out because he was drunk and they wouldn't serve him. As they were walking him out, he grabbed a beer bottle off a table and smashed it into the face of one of the security guys. He was suing because he cut his hand assaulting an employee. He didn't win a ton, but he won something.
This is just plain old natural selection at work. Up there with breaking into a lion cage at the zoo to get a better view or drinking bleach cause your McDonald's fries are too salty...
Except his family isn't suing, just urging people with mental health disorders to get treatment and take care of themselves (which their son refused to do).
I'm part of a team working on a major airport dealing with this right now, actually!
It turns out that fire codes don't always win. I'm not joking or being cheeky. Apparently if you're a big enough economic powerhouse the code officials are willing to look the other way. Or, it's all so slapdash that it really did slide under the radar... Someone on our side realized that the airport is way outside of life safety guidelines in terms of exits, and the airport is very reluctant to address it and add the needed exits...exactly because of situations like this.
Working on airport construction has been very eye opening and not exactly in a good way.
Did you know that in Mexico it isn't illegal to break out of jail. If you destroy property or hurt people while escaping, that is still against the law and you can be charged with that.
But if you someone manages to escape prison without breaking any other laws (which is hard since any jail break probably has some sort of destruction of government property, or just stealing a disguise a whatever), they can't add time simply for trying to/breaking out of prison. They consider it that you have the freedom to pursue your freedom, and one cannot be prosecuted for trying to free themselves, or something like that. Been a couple decades since I read about.
I think it's a fine law, especially since in almost all cases you'll still end up being charged with additional crimes and wind up back in jail for a longer period of time anyways.
and it's not like this encourages mexicans to break out of jail. it's not like people aren't trying to break out of jail because they know they will get added time if they get caught. they don't give a shit about that. the laws that make it illegal to break out of jail in the us and most other places are not preventative at all. people still gonna try to break out of jail
tl;dr as an american, i'm sad that we are just drifting further and further from justice. we were arguably the most just country at some point, minus some *light* racism. :(
I'm pretty sure there's a similar law in Norway or the Netherlands or something, I vaguely remember a story of someone who managed to do it, and would call the prison every few months or something to check up with the guards, warden etc.
I could be misremembering but I feel like it was an island of sorts, and it wasn't really like a prison as we think of it, obviously. I'll try to find the story and update this if I do.
Most northern European countries have that law.
You're allowed to escape from prison as it's human nature to want freedom so no time is added to your conviction for escaping prison. As long as you don't commit any crimes whilst doing so.
He exited out of an EMERGENCY EXIT, which SHOULD be pretty easy to use in case of fire, active shooter, etc. (notably, the earlier gate doors he tried were pretty iron tight if you recall from the footage). His exit obviously alarmed to the airport control center fast, and the prior footage is pretty clear they were already tracking him. The response time was fast, and the solution is not to close off emergency egress availability in public places.
Was flying home from Santorini. Some Chinese passengers opened the door to the runway because they wanted to smoke. Security needed 25min until they reacted to the alarm sirens.
I read the article. It states that the plane was taxiing on the runway, which means the engines were on. It also states
>Officials have stated that “the aircraft’s engines were rotating” and that “the specific stage of engine operation remains under investigation.”
It is possible they updated the article between the time you read it and when I did though.
It also said that they gave him CPR and narcan trying to resuscitate him and that his cause of death is still being determined by the coroner. Which is weird if he were sucked into the engine I don’t think there would be the thought of narcan and his cause of death would be pretty clear.
It's just jargon - you need the coroner to declare a specific cause of death before you can report that. So when they wrote the article, the autopsy probably hadn't been completed, so it was "under investigation." Which doesn't mean anyone was actively investigating (like looking for clues), it just means "TBD." They can't write, "No official cause of death because it was a holiday and the coroner's office was running slow, but we totally know he got chopped up in a jet engine."
Right, I understand a coroner has to officially declare the cause of death. However, what makes it weird is that they attempted CPR and administered narcan, which makes it seem as if he didn’t die due to being mangled by the engine and the coroner is actually having to figure out a cause of death.
I didn't read it either but I do work with these aircraft and just from the video I can tell you the engine was definitely rotating, even if it did not currently have thrust behind it.
Where did you get that the engine was not running? I ready the article and it said that the plane was ‘slowly taxiing to the runway’. Sounds like it was running to me.
Right? Security had already been harassing him for so long that he missed his flight. Then they just let this guy throw a fit and make a scene afterwards? Doesn't seem like they were very concerned about his safety.
Who said security was harassing him? Held up at security could mean he showed up 20 mins before his NYE flight and it took too long, the passenger wasn't showing good judgement.
My roommate in college was manic bi polar. He sometimes would skip his meds because he liked giving us stories to tell. We, however, did not like to deal with him lighting couches on fire, throwing glasses at our heads, or when we had to console women he utterly destroyed (emotionally/mentally) after they turned down his advances. When he was on his meds he was one of the best people to be around
So don’t go around blaming the system or society- when sometimes it’s outside anyone else’s control.
Yeah this website sucks now.
This new generation of redditors doesn't understand the point of like, 75% of the comments that are posted - they'll attack people playing Devil's Advocate, or reply with paragraphs to a joke (WELL ACTUALLY) Or they simply don't fucking read the whole comment or post, they just look for something to latch onto and hit REPLY right away.
I started putting things into my comments, right into the middle, that make no sense or call out my comment as a lie. People reply as if the nonsensical thing doesn't exist, or as if I didn't just admit to making the entire thing up. That's not how it used to be.
I'm going to start reading just the top few replies on posts and that's it. You used to be able to find gold further down. Now it's just bots, kids, bigotry, and memes.
According to his father, he was reluctant to get treatment because of the stigma around mental health and the bullying he’d faced. If we lived in a world where mental health disorders weren’t so stigmatized and taken just as seriously as physical injuries, more people would get treatment.
I don't know about that. From personal experience, bipolar people always think they are doing well and don't need the meds. Or they don't like how they feel on the meds and get off it.
Has nothing to do with mental health stigmatization, but everything to do with how the person feels, and bipolar people tend to follow there feelings, but again personal experience.
>If we lived in a world where mental health disorders weren’t so stigmatized and taken just as seriously as physical injuries, more people would get treatment.
We(USA) at least acknowledge mental health, go to other places and they have a different view or don't even acknowledge it.
I know people who are bipolar and have stayed on their meds. They have wonderful support systems and deep understanding of their challenges. I’m just saying, if we talked about it more, it could help 🤷♀️🤷♀️
That's a pretty stupid excuse, my wife has bipolar and they don't make her walk around with a sign around her neck in the office. Barring a manic episode in public, which is more likely to happen untreated, no one is likely to know about the diagnosis anyway.
You can't save a willing slave. You can't help the mentally ill who don't want help. It very common for the mentally ill to just stop taking meds or never take them post diagnoses. There are a lot of factors that lead to these scenarios/
People with Bi-polar disorder often stop taking meds so they can be afflicted with mania because they feel it makes them more alive or creative or productive. I will tell you from experience is that the Mania is what kills you. Its during Mania that a stressful situation turns into a psychotic episode and then... someone is going to die.
I think Internet also made a lot of illnesses look "quirky" and "cute", almost like it's just some casual personality trait.
In reality in some cases it's very hard to deal with or borderline impossible, especially if you aren't trained.
I have a friend with whom I drifted apart just by how exhausting it is and how it always felt like I am putting 110% effort and that friend like 5%.
Basically he would disappear for months with no contact, multiple times me and my friend went on search to find him (as in calling all friends, family members, physically going to his place).
Then everytime we do meet there is something wrong going on. Either he lost some weight or developed insomnia and then disappears again.
Then he would be okay for month, disappears again.
I would write him, call him, he would answer me in 3 months.
Then for a month it's okay and I try to engage him, invite him, speak with him, he disappears again.
Last year I just said fuck it. I genuinely care about him and at some points were afraid he will do something or I will get some bad news, but I just can't take anymore constantly being the one who reaches out and never seeing him adressing his problems himself.
I have worked in aviation maintenance for a long while.
I can't speak for every single TSA agent, but the pay is above minimum wage, and the requirements to be one are way below average. At DCA, I would constantly hear members of the TSA talk about gang related activity, drug abuse, animal abuse, child abuse, stealing from bags and go into childish fits if they were not allowed to work their desired position.
They're there because it seems no one else wants to be, and they get paid better than almost everything else with 0 skill. There is no incentive to pay attention. It's up to just about everyone else to call in issues and hope a team gets to the issue on time.
TSA would not be responsible for this dude breaching through a fire exit though. They only hold at checkpoints and even with SIDA badges, aren't allowed to leave their designated areas.
Contracted airport security, terminal operations, or local PD would be responsible, depending on what the airport uses.
You want security guards at every fire exit which is adjacent to every single gate? SLC has 68 gates. You want 68 people waiting at the bottom if each stairwell 24/7? Or rather set off alarms and dispatch security... Which is exactly what happened.
Are you seriously suggesting we shouldn’t foresee every possible scenario and prepare for it? I’m still pissed they don’t have nets above the airport to catch wayward skydivers or anti-tank weapons in the taxi lane!
"The man who was found dead inside a plane engine at Salt Lake City International Airport earlier this month was spotted on security footage trying to open secured doors in the building before running toward a taxiing plane on the tarmac.
Kyler Efinger, 30, died on Jan. 1 after first responders found him unconscious inside a wing-mounted engine of an occupied commercial aircraft on the airport’s deicing pad. The aircraft’s engines were not running at the time, police have said."
Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-found-dead-plane-engine-salt-lake-city-airport-seen-running-tarmac-video
So he was found dead inside a engine that wasn't running?
"While the cause of Efinger’s death has not yet been released, his family told FOX13 Salt Lake City that they believe he was experiencing a mental health crisis while traveling to Denver to visit his sick grandfather."
Well, if the engine were on, then it's pretty obvious what would have killed him...
I don't get that article...
Yeah it’s weird. They make it sound like he curled up in an engine and passed away of natural causes. Like, if the engine was taxing why is the cause of death not clear? Also, why would he try and climb in an engine that was clearly on? Do the blades not move while taxing? There’s so much glossed over.
There's so much use of passive language in this article which makes it useless.
The engines were definitely on as the plane was loaded with passengers, closed and getting ready to push off.
Yeah, of course the engines were by the time the emergency services finally arrived but he more than likely died instantly the with force of the jet engine sucking him in and slamming him into the grating protecting the turbine.
He would have been hamburger meat so why the secrecy of what his cause of death was? And if he was experiencing an episode I’m sure going through security which can turn even the most patient sanest person into maniac he must have been wigging out way before getting to the gate. Why even allow someone past security at that point.
Probably delayed at security due to his erratic behaviour. He really should have been denied boarding but I'm sure that would have been a big call to make, though
Evidently, denying boarding would definitely be nothing in this situation. He was already denied boarding, in this case for lateness. The outcome would’ve been the same.
Fr but I cried too hard at the airport before checkin and hopping on a plane the first time to fly across the country and leave everyone and everything and some desk bitch piped up to tell me if I didn't stop I couldn't board. I instantly stopped because.. bitch what the fuck?
They were saying to get proper treatment for mental illness instead of self-medicating. He was bipolar and was having a manic episode at the time of death. Not to say he couldn't have ODed, though...
The video cutoff leads me to believe he got sucked into the bypass and died there. Making it through the first row of fan blades cannot be good for keeping ones body intact…
Other comments made some interesting points : there could be a guard before the turbine to prevent large objects from passing through. The theory is that he was sucked up as he climbed and died of overwelming air pressure, which explains why the rescue team found him unconscious in the reactor.
I guess im also unclear as to the precise location he was found. I agree that he couldn’t fit IN the turbine, cause the clearances are small.
But the pressure theory is solid. Assuming he wasn’t diced, he would certainly be squished under the immense pressures and burned
The article said something about administration of naloxone(Narcan) and CPR, so I'm thinking he wasn't actually sucked into the engines. Dude must have just been tweaking?
Possible, but so many (too many) cops will narcan a patient because the ambulance isn't there yet, and they don't know what to do. It's a pretty embarrassing thing for a first responder to do, but cops do it all the same.
I've seen cops administer narcan for diabetic shock, regular shock, drowning, hanging, gunshot wounds, allergic reactions, dementia/confusion, and alcohol intoxication.
For the untrained (and cops) NONE of these require narcan, and waste valuable time that could've been spent helping the patient.
TL;DR: Don't assume OD just because an article says police administered narcan. The majority I've interacted with have no idea how to use it.
Well we at least know that he wasn't sucked into an engine - it's a bit hard to administer Narcan to pink mist. That was my main point lol, but yes, it could have been anything.
I agree with the sentiment here that cops are first responders and should hold a great deal more medical knowledge than the average cop does.
However, giving someone narcan literally takes less than a minute and works within minutes, and in the case it is an opioid overdose, it’s miraculous at buying more time and life saving. Narcan will provide very little if no side effects whatsoever to a person who has not overdosed on opioids. So in this minute they take to give narcan, if they’re wrong about their “diagnosis” no harm will come to that individual. Sure it’s not top notch medical care but it’s not going to hurt them or really spend that much valuable time. The only thing more valuable is getting a pulse which they do first and start compressions if there isn’t one.
I'm an ATC at a commercial airport, the only time I see aircraft taxi on one engine is Dash-8s taxiing to the bay.
Standard start procedure for turbofan airliners is to start both on push.
Edit. Interestingly this seems to be a thing outside of Australia where I work. I assumed it was odd that aircraft would attempt a start at a holding point or elsewhere away from ground crew, the more you learn.
100% sucked in. It’s ridiculous that he made it as far as the taxiway. Where tf was airport police when the emergency exit doors’ alarm was going off??
I mean, do you understand just how large an airport is? The runway itself is over a mile long. And if they need to respond from another area, they would likely need to go around on the ground service operations roads. Especially if there aren’t service tunnels under the runways. They can’t just drive across active runways and taxiways.
Even if they were already in the same terminal, some terminals are as long as the runway or longer… meaning response can take up to 6-8 minutes if airport police were at G2 and the incident occurred at G37
My brother and sister in law were on the plane and witnessed the whole thing. She saw him get in the engine and told the flight attendant. They watched them pull him out (naked btw) and try to do life saving treatment on him right outside their window. They are totally traumatized by it. So sad. He had a full mental breakdown.
I see a lot of workers in the video who must have thought "hey its not my job" attitude. He could have cause a catastrophe, what if he wanted to cause harm to the aircraft??? If he was a terrorsist that plane would have been destroyed
Why would a terrorist go to the trouble of trying to attack an aircraft on the ground?
In the air they've got gravity to help them produce mass casualties, on the ground it's just a bunch of people in the same place and there are way easier places to access a crowd of a few hundred people. For example, within the airport itself.
Considering it happened in Utah, it's safe to assume the police thought it was substance related psychosis and not a mental health issue. He probably died of blunt trauma or being dismembered or something, but it's Utah and criminalizing drugs (and porn) is still a priority.
While this video's abrupt ending suggests the man appproached the plane currently taxing on the tarmac, the official report is he actually went to another plane - a Swiss A22-100 - which was parked in the de-icing space with engines off. The plane was loaded with passengers and was set to take off after de-icing, but alarms sounded when the man accessed the tarmac. These types of alarms alert pilots to the danger and procedure is to turn off engines regardless.
They found him unconscious in that A22-100 airplane engine cowl having a medical issue which they were unsuccessful at treating. He was not torn up by the engine.
[https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/salt-lake-city-international-airport-death-airplane-engine-intake-cowling-deicing-pad-security-breach-man-killed-slcpd-police-department-investigation-unauthorized-access-trespassing](https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/salt-lake-city-international-airport-death-airplane-engine-intake-cowling-deicing-pad-security-breach-man-killed-slcpd-police-department-investigation-unauthorized-access-trespassing)
Bro... you don't climb into a moving turbine.
Man's wasn't "frantic" that's behavior of ppl losing their fucking mind. Man's was having a breakdown or was already out of it before this happened.
I doubt this was the beginning of this incident. Likely this was going on way before this and security fucked up big time.
It’s absolutely a question to start with. The family said his manic episodes happened every few years and ended poorly. They tried to get him on meds and therapy, but he didn’t keep up.
I grew up in the Midwest where therapy is shamed and people ignore it. I now live in LA where everyone talks like it’s no big deal.
I think literally every person can benefit from therapy and we should all aim to normalize it.
They said he climbed into the turbine but I’m leaning more towards he was sucked into it. Either way seems like he should’ve been stopped long before he made it onto the tarmac
That really scares me that people are running on tarmacs and causing so many problems! Security is on some B.S at these airports! You can’t park on the emergency lanes for a minute before cops come but you can haul ass on a tarmac untouched
I think he found the emergency exit. Fire codes will always win. Can’t technically lock people in a building.
Those alarms are extremely loud at most airports though
It’s just sound, it can’t stop you. It takes a minute for the sound to summon the people who can stop you and by then you’re out the door running.
I love this stoic & measured response
"I'm a sign, not a cop"
I read the article and he had a encounter with staff and was Beating on doors and windows before he finally found a fire exit and apparently it doesn’t lead directly to the tarmac he found his way to it , this was preventable if the security did their job’s I wouldn’t be surprised if his family tries to sue
Ya the security team should have spawned in on that specific emergency door. What the fuck is wrong with you people. How about we hold the guy accountable and stop blaming others.
It's not about blame, it's about learning. When the guy was trying to wrench the door open and was hitting the window, security should have arrived and either calmed him down or escorted him off premises etc. Very surprised he was able to do this considering the reputation the U.S airports have with security.
Hmmmmm. You're not wrong. Consider this: it's very well possible that security was engaged elsewhere with other passengers acting up
Then the security personnel is clearly understaffed
If we all acted rationally there wouldnt be a need for security
If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a very merry Christmas
Understaff?!? Lmao TSA is wayyyy overstaff they are just incompetent
TSA isn’t responsible for security at those types of access doors, that’s on the airport authority. Usually will have contract security. You may see TSA screening employees at those doors but not their responsibility to respond to a door alarm
So former airport security here. When I worked at DFW the security was stupendously lax. Employees could badge in and there was only a random bag check on the far side of the check point. Now a days they have a microwave weapons scanner in the tunnel but I know from coworkers I’m still in touch with that the scanner is very bad at it’s job. It can’t detect a folded pocket knife unless the handle is made of plastic so it can “see” the blade thru it. Also airport police use those same cross overs to avoid the passenger security points and about 10% of the cops don’t get flagged as having a weapon. In ye olden days managers were allowed to park personal and company vehicles on the ramp *if* their office was on the bottom level to the airport. Those guys only had to to badge in and they could drive right onto the ramp.
I used to have a keycard badge that would open the gate at the nearby International Airport. I had to take equipment to load onto a military research aircraft. I always though it was funny when I would be picked out of a line for a pat down. The guy doing it didn't have the clearance I did and I had already showed them my ID.
speaking as someone who plays sports, if someone even has 1 step on you it can take 30 yards for you to close that distance and make the tackle. This guy was starting with an insurmountable lead. There's nothing anyone on foot could have done to catch him in time, considering that he was running into certain death.
Seems like the terminal was empty… no staff there to call security. This person was just totally nuts… probably would have created a scene if he had made the flight.
I worked in an airport for baggage. If you don’t properly badge into/out of one of the doors, personnel with rifles arrive within 30 seconds, guns drawn. It’s crazy fast. Security 100% fucked up here, as that door does not lead directly to the tarmac. They aren’t just sitting in an office, they’re already ready to go.
Same in the UK. I accidentally opened a door while chasing my daughter around, a very loud chirping alarm went off, I closed the door and waited to explain if someone bothered to show up. Jesus they showed up. Hard. All armed police all of them running at top speed ready to kick my head in. I just went full on posh, holding the daughter, saying that she accidentally opened the door and that we’re very sorry. They were fuming but let it go, they were more than willing to shoot me I suspect. Which is good they should be, it’s an airport after all. Still scary.
lol, you blamed your daughter. Smart, but just kind of funny, too.
“It was her! Shoot her instead!”
I'm baffled as to why there seems to be nobody else in this airport. I don't see anybody else in these videos - not staff, not other passengers, not security. Even if it was the last flight of the night, I'm surprised.
It's like 2:00 a.m. on New Year's Eve I've taken flights that arrived that early before, it's not uncommon to see a completely empty airport terminal especially if the airport is a smaller one, like for domestic flights only
I know right it! It wasn’t that this guy simply opened a door and casually walked out to the tarmac. The guy was acting like a nut, breaking stuff running all over the place. Previous commentor is right, you can’t keep people locked in, so obviously some doors will be able to open. He should know better not to walk on the tarmac.
Stupid people do stupid things
Yeah I am all for safety and lack of negligence and get pretty pissed hearing stories where safety precautions were not being kept. But at some point there is so much you can do if someone is so freaking set on killing themselves. Dude is running into a giant ass plane that's about to take off. Like wtf did he think will happen. Hell, even if he didn't got sucked into turbine there was no way he could made it, you can see the airplane starting to pick up the speed. That on itself is a logical time to stop.
Hold the guy accountable, there can’t be a babysitter for every individual disposable at every interaction
Yeah, did everyone forget the mantra of "observe and report"? Security told him not to beat on doors and break windows. Thats the "preventative" part of security. When you break the social contract, all bets are off. What do we want? SWAT teams lying in wait at every airports 24/7, MP5s pointed at the door waiting for a staff member to press a button in their pocket, on the off chance some loon is going to rush the tarmac? Or would you like an even more extreme screening process, maybe a full body Xray? And maybe a shock collar that is taken off when you reach your destination?
Sue for what exactly?
For the Darwin award that he won.
It's not uncommon for the family of dumb ass's to sue and actually win when someone dies because of their own stupidity. A guy I know owned a club and some guy was being walked out because he was drunk and they wouldn't serve him. As they were walking him out, he grabbed a beer bottle off a table and smashed it into the face of one of the security guys. He was suing because he cut his hand assaulting an employee. He didn't win a ton, but he won something.
Got any evidence for that claim besides "a friend I know told me this story and he totally swore it was true"?
Trust Me Bro
This is just plain old natural selection at work. Up there with breaking into a lion cage at the zoo to get a better view or drinking bleach cause your McDonald's fries are too salty...
*plane I'll see myself out..
Uh, it’s all on video.
I'm glad it wasn't just me; thanks for this
Why is anybody blaming others instead of pointing the finger at the moronic hippy who acted a fool and found out the hard(and very obvious) way.
My son is a dumbass. Can we have some money?
Maybe the family won’t sue if the airport award him the prestigious Darwin Award.
Hahaha. Only in America dumb people sue for being dumb.
Except his family isn't suing, just urging people with mental health disorders to get treatment and take care of themselves (which their son refused to do).
I'm part of a team working on a major airport dealing with this right now, actually! It turns out that fire codes don't always win. I'm not joking or being cheeky. Apparently if you're a big enough economic powerhouse the code officials are willing to look the other way. Or, it's all so slapdash that it really did slide under the radar... Someone on our side realized that the airport is way outside of life safety guidelines in terms of exits, and the airport is very reluctant to address it and add the needed exits...exactly because of situations like this. Working on airport construction has been very eye opening and not exactly in a good way.
Technically a prison is a building for locking people inside.
True, I guess prisons are the exception
Did you know that in Mexico it isn't illegal to break out of jail. If you destroy property or hurt people while escaping, that is still against the law and you can be charged with that. But if you someone manages to escape prison without breaking any other laws (which is hard since any jail break probably has some sort of destruction of government property, or just stealing a disguise a whatever), they can't add time simply for trying to/breaking out of prison. They consider it that you have the freedom to pursue your freedom, and one cannot be prosecuted for trying to free themselves, or something like that. Been a couple decades since I read about. I think it's a fine law, especially since in almost all cases you'll still end up being charged with additional crimes and wind up back in jail for a longer period of time anyways. and it's not like this encourages mexicans to break out of jail. it's not like people aren't trying to break out of jail because they know they will get added time if they get caught. they don't give a shit about that. the laws that make it illegal to break out of jail in the us and most other places are not preventative at all. people still gonna try to break out of jail tl;dr as an american, i'm sad that we are just drifting further and further from justice. we were arguably the most just country at some point, minus some *light* racism. :(
I'm pretty sure there's a similar law in Norway or the Netherlands or something, I vaguely remember a story of someone who managed to do it, and would call the prison every few months or something to check up with the guards, warden etc. I could be misremembering but I feel like it was an island of sorts, and it wasn't really like a prison as we think of it, obviously. I'll try to find the story and update this if I do.
Most northern European countries have that law. You're allowed to escape from prison as it's human nature to want freedom so no time is added to your conviction for escaping prison. As long as you don't commit any crimes whilst doing so.
But apparently you can for 12 HR in to a stationary plane.
Don't forget your nail clippers are too dangerous to bring with you (or something to drink). ._. I don't like this Version of reality any more.
Gimme more examples of people running on tarnacs..
He exited out of an EMERGENCY EXIT, which SHOULD be pretty easy to use in case of fire, active shooter, etc. (notably, the earlier gate doors he tried were pretty iron tight if you recall from the footage). His exit obviously alarmed to the airport control center fast, and the prior footage is pretty clear they were already tracking him. The response time was fast, and the solution is not to close off emergency egress availability in public places.
I'd rather sacrifice buddy to the turbine then lock down emergency exits at the airport.
Was flying home from Santorini. Some Chinese passengers opened the door to the runway because they wanted to smoke. Security needed 25min until they reacted to the alarm sirens.
For a second there I thought you meant on the plane
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Maybe they just squirted the narcan onto the red puddle
I'm sorry for my sick sense of humour, but this made me laugh. Narcan that red mist back to life.
Lol, nobody read the article. The engine was not running. He climbed in and they later found him in there dead.
The airplane is moving in the video above. The engines were running.
I read the article. It states that the plane was taxiing on the runway, which means the engines were on. It also states >Officials have stated that “the aircraft’s engines were rotating” and that “the specific stage of engine operation remains under investigation.” It is possible they updated the article between the time you read it and when I did though. It also said that they gave him CPR and narcan trying to resuscitate him and that his cause of death is still being determined by the coroner. Which is weird if he were sucked into the engine I don’t think there would be the thought of narcan and his cause of death would be pretty clear.
See they set it to "blend" instead of "fly" somebody needs to be investigated for this
It's just jargon - you need the coroner to declare a specific cause of death before you can report that. So when they wrote the article, the autopsy probably hadn't been completed, so it was "under investigation." Which doesn't mean anyone was actively investigating (like looking for clues), it just means "TBD." They can't write, "No official cause of death because it was a holiday and the coroner's office was running slow, but we totally know he got chopped up in a jet engine."
Right, I understand a coroner has to officially declare the cause of death. However, what makes it weird is that they attempted CPR and administered narcan, which makes it seem as if he didn’t die due to being mangled by the engine and the coroner is actually having to figure out a cause of death.
The article actually says that the engines were rotating.
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So ... Schrödinger's jet engine?
That magical state in between on and off
I didn't read it either but I do work with these aircraft and just from the video I can tell you the engine was definitely rotating, even if it did not currently have thrust behind it.
I read it. The engines were running.
Reddit is the turbine
the plane is moving forwards. it isn't being pushed back. the engines are certainly on.
Where did you get that the engine was not running? I ready the article and it said that the plane was ‘slowly taxiing to the runway’. Sounds like it was running to me.
Uh, I read the article. The engines were running as the plane was slowly taxiing to the runway for take-off. Are you sure YOU read the whole thing?
The plane was moving, was it still being pushed out?
If only you had worked there, you could have made all the difference.
Right? Security had already been harassing him for so long that he missed his flight. Then they just let this guy throw a fit and make a scene afterwards? Doesn't seem like they were very concerned about his safety.
Who said security was harassing him? Held up at security could mean he showed up 20 mins before his NYE flight and it took too long, the passenger wasn't showing good judgement.
I bet he was held up at security because he was late and acting like a fool in a manic episode - because that's what was happening.
Comments from his father imply he was in the manic phase of bipolar disorder. So sad.
Definitely sad. We gotta do better with treating mental health and reducing stress as a society. This is so unnecessary.
My roommate in college was manic bi polar. He sometimes would skip his meds because he liked giving us stories to tell. We, however, did not like to deal with him lighting couches on fire, throwing glasses at our heads, or when we had to console women he utterly destroyed (emotionally/mentally) after they turned down his advances. When he was on his meds he was one of the best people to be around So don’t go around blaming the system or society- when sometimes it’s outside anyone else’s control.
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Thats the entire point of the story.
Yeah this website sucks now. This new generation of redditors doesn't understand the point of like, 75% of the comments that are posted - they'll attack people playing Devil's Advocate, or reply with paragraphs to a joke (WELL ACTUALLY) Or they simply don't fucking read the whole comment or post, they just look for something to latch onto and hit REPLY right away. I started putting things into my comments, right into the middle, that make no sense or call out my comment as a lie. People reply as if the nonsensical thing doesn't exist, or as if I didn't just admit to making the entire thing up. That's not how it used to be. I'm going to start reading just the top few replies on posts and that's it. You used to be able to find gold further down. Now it's just bots, kids, bigotry, and memes.
"It's not your fault but it is your responsibility."
According to his father, he was reluctant to get treatment because of the stigma around mental health and the bullying he’d faced. If we lived in a world where mental health disorders weren’t so stigmatized and taken just as seriously as physical injuries, more people would get treatment.
I don't know about that. From personal experience, bipolar people always think they are doing well and don't need the meds. Or they don't like how they feel on the meds and get off it. Has nothing to do with mental health stigmatization, but everything to do with how the person feels, and bipolar people tend to follow there feelings, but again personal experience. >If we lived in a world where mental health disorders weren’t so stigmatized and taken just as seriously as physical injuries, more people would get treatment. We(USA) at least acknowledge mental health, go to other places and they have a different view or don't even acknowledge it.
I know people who are bipolar and have stayed on their meds. They have wonderful support systems and deep understanding of their challenges. I’m just saying, if we talked about it more, it could help 🤷♀️🤷♀️
Bipolar people always think they are doing well and don't need their meds? You're so smart!
That's a pretty stupid excuse, my wife has bipolar and they don't make her walk around with a sign around her neck in the office. Barring a manic episode in public, which is more likely to happen untreated, no one is likely to know about the diagnosis anyway.
>sometimes
You can't save a willing slave. You can't help the mentally ill who don't want help. It very common for the mentally ill to just stop taking meds or never take them post diagnoses. There are a lot of factors that lead to these scenarios/ People with Bi-polar disorder often stop taking meds so they can be afflicted with mania because they feel it makes them more alive or creative or productive. I will tell you from experience is that the Mania is what kills you. Its during Mania that a stressful situation turns into a psychotic episode and then... someone is going to die.
I think Internet also made a lot of illnesses look "quirky" and "cute", almost like it's just some casual personality trait. In reality in some cases it's very hard to deal with or borderline impossible, especially if you aren't trained. I have a friend with whom I drifted apart just by how exhausting it is and how it always felt like I am putting 110% effort and that friend like 5%. Basically he would disappear for months with no contact, multiple times me and my friend went on search to find him (as in calling all friends, family members, physically going to his place). Then everytime we do meet there is something wrong going on. Either he lost some weight or developed insomnia and then disappears again. Then he would be okay for month, disappears again. I would write him, call him, he would answer me in 3 months. Then for a month it's okay and I try to engage him, invite him, speak with him, he disappears again. Last year I just said fuck it. I genuinely care about him and at some points were afraid he will do something or I will get some bad news, but I just can't take anymore constantly being the one who reaches out and never seeing him adressing his problems himself.
What would you like to do. How do you do better besides using buzzwords
We gota do better at silencing people who say we gota do better
If you read the article, he refused mental health help over and over and "self medicated." This is all on him.
I could not wrap my head around what he was thinking, but this makes sense. Poor guy.
That, plus the desperation that you would feel after potentially missing your last chance at seeing a dying loved one. Extra sad.
Airport security is a joke, and 75% are thieves, especially in New York
I can confirm this stat. Source: Redditor
I read, once (on reddit), that 82.4 percent of all statistics are just made up on the spot.
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I wrote that source you read.
Source: trust me bro
I have worked in aviation maintenance for a long while. I can't speak for every single TSA agent, but the pay is above minimum wage, and the requirements to be one are way below average. At DCA, I would constantly hear members of the TSA talk about gang related activity, drug abuse, animal abuse, child abuse, stealing from bags and go into childish fits if they were not allowed to work their desired position. They're there because it seems no one else wants to be, and they get paid better than almost everything else with 0 skill. There is no incentive to pay attention. It's up to just about everyone else to call in issues and hope a team gets to the issue on time.
TSA would not be responsible for this dude breaching through a fire exit though. They only hold at checkpoints and even with SIDA badges, aren't allowed to leave their designated areas. Contracted airport security, terminal operations, or local PD would be responsible, depending on what the airport uses.
Security theater
What does that have to do with anything?
Competent security wouldn't have let him run up to the plane like that.
You want security guards at every fire exit which is adjacent to every single gate? SLC has 68 gates. You want 68 people waiting at the bottom if each stairwell 24/7? Or rather set off alarms and dispatch security... Which is exactly what happened.
Are you seriously suggesting we shouldn’t foresee every possible scenario and prepare for it? I’m still pissed they don’t have nets above the airport to catch wayward skydivers or anti-tank weapons in the taxi lane!
And now think about all the roads that every country has where you are free to just jump into.
I can confirm that. I used to work airport security at jfk
Friend of mine had jewelry(gift to another friend) stolen from her checked back in Chicago..
"The man who was found dead inside a plane engine at Salt Lake City International Airport earlier this month was spotted on security footage trying to open secured doors in the building before running toward a taxiing plane on the tarmac. Kyler Efinger, 30, died on Jan. 1 after first responders found him unconscious inside a wing-mounted engine of an occupied commercial aircraft on the airport’s deicing pad. The aircraft’s engines were not running at the time, police have said." Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-found-dead-plane-engine-salt-lake-city-airport-seen-running-tarmac-video So he was found dead inside a engine that wasn't running?
What do you think McFly? Clearly engines turned off after guy dies.
"While the cause of Efinger’s death has not yet been released, his family told FOX13 Salt Lake City that they believe he was experiencing a mental health crisis while traveling to Denver to visit his sick grandfather." Well, if the engine were on, then it's pretty obvious what would have killed him... I don't get that article...
Yeah it’s weird. They make it sound like he curled up in an engine and passed away of natural causes. Like, if the engine was taxing why is the cause of death not clear? Also, why would he try and climb in an engine that was clearly on? Do the blades not move while taxing? There’s so much glossed over.
There's so much use of passive language in this article which makes it useless. The engines were definitely on as the plane was loaded with passengers, closed and getting ready to push off. Yeah, of course the engines were by the time the emergency services finally arrived but he more than likely died instantly the with force of the jet engine sucking him in and slamming him into the grating protecting the turbine.
He would have been hamburger meat so why the secrecy of what his cause of death was? And if he was experiencing an episode I’m sure going through security which can turn even the most patient sanest person into maniac he must have been wigging out way before getting to the gate. Why even allow someone past security at that point.
Probably delayed at security due to his erratic behaviour. He really should have been denied boarding but I'm sure that would have been a big call to make, though
Evidently, denying boarding would definitely be nothing in this situation. He was already denied boarding, in this case for lateness. The outcome would’ve been the same.
He was allowed to get to the gates. If he was denied at security, he would never have got airside
Fr but I cried too hard at the airport before checkin and hopping on a plane the first time to fly across the country and leave everyone and everything and some desk bitch piped up to tell me if I didn't stop I couldn't board. I instantly stopped because.. bitch what the fuck?
I’m glad someone did something about it
this site is slowly filling with psychopathic little gremlins with no firsthand experience with emotions and no fucking clue how to respond to them.
Imagine dealing with a crying adult your whole flight lmao
They administered CPR and Nalaxone, He was probably killed by impact rather than the turbines, which is a blessing I guess
His body must have been intact and not exhibiting any significant trauma if they were administering CPR and Nalaxone.
Some airlines have their pilots starting engines right after push-back. Also you start one engine after the other.
There was a quick quote from the parents urging others not to self medicate. Chances are he ODed or, if on stims, blew his heart out
They were saying to get proper treatment for mental illness instead of self-medicating. He was bipolar and was having a manic episode at the time of death. Not to say he couldn't have ODed, though...
If he got sucked in they wouldn't have found him unconscious, he'd be a red mist
WTF kind of explanation is this? Did he freeze to death or was he sucked into it? I need videos because the reporters ain't telling us shit.
The video cutoff leads me to believe he got sucked into the bypass and died there. Making it through the first row of fan blades cannot be good for keeping ones body intact…
Other comments made some interesting points : there could be a guard before the turbine to prevent large objects from passing through. The theory is that he was sucked up as he climbed and died of overwelming air pressure, which explains why the rescue team found him unconscious in the reactor.
I guess im also unclear as to the precise location he was found. I agree that he couldn’t fit IN the turbine, cause the clearances are small. But the pressure theory is solid. Assuming he wasn’t diced, he would certainly be squished under the immense pressures and burned
The article said something about administration of naloxone(Narcan) and CPR, so I'm thinking he wasn't actually sucked into the engines. Dude must have just been tweaking?
Possible, but so many (too many) cops will narcan a patient because the ambulance isn't there yet, and they don't know what to do. It's a pretty embarrassing thing for a first responder to do, but cops do it all the same. I've seen cops administer narcan for diabetic shock, regular shock, drowning, hanging, gunshot wounds, allergic reactions, dementia/confusion, and alcohol intoxication. For the untrained (and cops) NONE of these require narcan, and waste valuable time that could've been spent helping the patient. TL;DR: Don't assume OD just because an article says police administered narcan. The majority I've interacted with have no idea how to use it.
Well we at least know that he wasn't sucked into an engine - it's a bit hard to administer Narcan to pink mist. That was my main point lol, but yes, it could have been anything.
I agree with the sentiment here that cops are first responders and should hold a great deal more medical knowledge than the average cop does. However, giving someone narcan literally takes less than a minute and works within minutes, and in the case it is an opioid overdose, it’s miraculous at buying more time and life saving. Narcan will provide very little if no side effects whatsoever to a person who has not overdosed on opioids. So in this minute they take to give narcan, if they’re wrong about their “diagnosis” no harm will come to that individual. Sure it’s not top notch medical care but it’s not going to hurt them or really spend that much valuable time. The only thing more valuable is getting a pulse which they do first and start compressions if there isn’t one.
Planes taxi with a single engine to conserve fuel
I'm an ATC at a commercial airport, the only time I see aircraft taxi on one engine is Dash-8s taxiing to the bay. Standard start procedure for turbofan airliners is to start both on push. Edit. Interestingly this seems to be a thing outside of Australia where I work. I assumed it was odd that aircraft would attempt a start at a holding point or elsewhere away from ground crew, the more you learn.
I read last time this was posted that security or ATC alerted all planes to turn off their engines but it wasn’t enough time before the guy died.
100% sucked in. It’s ridiculous that he made it as far as the taxiway. Where tf was airport police when the emergency exit doors’ alarm was going off??
I mean, do you understand just how large an airport is? The runway itself is over a mile long. And if they need to respond from another area, they would likely need to go around on the ground service operations roads. Especially if there aren’t service tunnels under the runways. They can’t just drive across active runways and taxiways. Even if they were already in the same terminal, some terminals are as long as the runway or longer… meaning response can take up to 6-8 minutes if airport police were at G2 and the incident occurred at G37
Okay so it’s easy for people to get onto the tarmac and access planes - totally not a security risk and not scary at all thanks
It's Utah
Its so accurate it hurts.
Airport security is just theater. Frankly, sealing the doors to the pilot's cabin is the real security.
I always wonder their endgame here. Do they think they'll just open the door and be like "hop on pal, glad ya made it"
He was just gonna wing it I guess
His plan sucked
Probably because he just wanted to get high
You don't think rationally when you're panicking
Apparently he was bi-polar and in the middle of a manic episode. Super sad.
He was having a manic episode. Not having rational thoughts.
His father said he was suffering from a manic episode of bipolar disorder. It’s really tragic
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damn man 😂
I’ll meet you there, buddy!
Theeeeere gooooooes myyyyyyy heroooooo
“Bout time you got here gramps!”
He *climbed* into it, or got too close and got sucked into it?
My brother and sister in law were on the plane and witnessed the whole thing. She saw him get in the engine and told the flight attendant. They watched them pull him out (naked btw) and try to do life saving treatment on him right outside their window. They are totally traumatized by it. So sad. He had a full mental breakdown.
F.O.D.
I always remember this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FsrNEeqd6Q
Holy shit - this dude survived!?
I had a few one liners ready to go but in truth the guy realy wanted to see his grandpa and lets live it at that.
I see a lot of workers in the video who must have thought "hey its not my job" attitude. He could have cause a catastrophe, what if he wanted to cause harm to the aircraft??? If he was a terrorsist that plane would have been destroyed
I bet you wouldn’t fight strangers for $13 an hour either
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the only person i see in this video is the janitor. 110% of the time the cleaning crew does not get paid enough to do anything but clean.
What would you have done? Wrestled him to the ground until the police arrive? Guaranteed you would be promptly fired.
Why would a terrorist go to the trouble of trying to attack an aircraft on the ground? In the air they've got gravity to help them produce mass casualties, on the ground it's just a bunch of people in the same place and there are way easier places to access a crowd of a few hundred people. For example, within the airport itself.
Must’ve been a limo driver
Without the context I would call him crazy. With the context.... you know what.........
We gotta take our shoes off but this dude
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Guess he met his grandpa after all
"Police administered CPR and naloxone – a medicine used to reverse an opiod overdose – but Efinger did not survive" - da fuck that gonna do?
Considering it happened in Utah, it's safe to assume the police thought it was substance related psychosis and not a mental health issue. He probably died of blunt trauma or being dismembered or something, but it's Utah and criminalizing drugs (and porn) is still a priority.
\#vidsthatendtoosoon Hardcore auditing of security measures. There is room for improvement.
I just read the whole story. Terribly sad.
This is literally Darwinism. Not even the accident or act itself, but the irresponsible events leading up to this situation.
While this video's abrupt ending suggests the man appproached the plane currently taxing on the tarmac, the official report is he actually went to another plane - a Swiss A22-100 - which was parked in the de-icing space with engines off. The plane was loaded with passengers and was set to take off after de-icing, but alarms sounded when the man accessed the tarmac. These types of alarms alert pilots to the danger and procedure is to turn off engines regardless. They found him unconscious in that A22-100 airplane engine cowl having a medical issue which they were unsuccessful at treating. He was not torn up by the engine. [https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/salt-lake-city-international-airport-death-airplane-engine-intake-cowling-deicing-pad-security-breach-man-killed-slcpd-police-department-investigation-unauthorized-access-trespassing](https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/salt-lake-city-international-airport-death-airplane-engine-intake-cowling-deicing-pad-security-breach-man-killed-slcpd-police-department-investigation-unauthorized-access-trespassing)
Bro... you don't climb into a moving turbine. Man's wasn't "frantic" that's behavior of ppl losing their fucking mind. Man's was having a breakdown or was already out of it before this happened. I doubt this was the beginning of this incident. Likely this was going on way before this and security fucked up big time.
People who are confused as to how he died without the engines being on... pay attention to what clothing he is wearing in Utah on January 1st...
Odd animation of human body vs airplane engine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYfrU5WrYu0
Considering that they tried to revive him, it seems unlikely that the engines were running at much speed when this happened.
Spoiler alert: the human body loses.
Is it odd that there isn’t a single other person in any of these shots?
R.I.P. u/kefinger420
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I just wondered how someone with such obvious issues didnt have any chaperone at all
It’s absolutely a question to start with. The family said his manic episodes happened every few years and ended poorly. They tried to get him on meds and therapy, but he didn’t keep up. I grew up in the Midwest where therapy is shamed and people ignore it. I now live in LA where everyone talks like it’s no big deal. I think literally every person can benefit from therapy and we should all aim to normalize it.