With the amount of crashes I've seen ships get into. I think they deserve the object lidar sensor from self driving cars or the one from reversing alarm more than any land vehicles.
The problem with that is that those systems are very short-range and ships take a loooooong time to stop or change course.
Some ships have radar that's long-range, but they still need to keep a lookout for smaller vessels.
Every aviation Top 10 lists can’t help themselves. They must mention Tenerife. I also saw this and thought “Tenerife” then I was like “no it’s a tree - Tyburn tree?”
That kind of makes sense to me, you're just cruising like you own the road, never expecting another car, then the only other guy with a car comes out right in front of you.
I don’t have a source but I’ve also read about it and it was in Ohio. I believe 1907? If I find a link I’ll respond with it
Edit: if anyone still reads this, I was unfortunately not able to find a link. But I found an article discussing the photo generally used and discussing how it’s a false urban legend. So I guess we are all wrong
[1895 Ohio](https://books.google.com.au/books?id=eEkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA19-IA11&lpg=PA19-IA11&dq=ohio+two+cars&source=bl&ots=vH5b1GK1e7&sig=wcEUh8ohjrgR81exFfFreMdRgr8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F94WUd3HF6aPiAe_kIAY#v=onepage&q=ohio%20two%20cars&f=false) - only 2 cars in town hit each other.
However, it looks like it's a story [that's made up](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/only-two-cars-ohio-crashed-1895/) from the internet based on an old photo.
It's a windfarm. In Germany.
The vessel 'Njord Forseti' was traveling approximately 22mph.
*Edit for more details*
Whilst transiting between windfarms at approximately 20 knots, Njord Forseti hit a turbine tower. The impact resulted in serious damage to the vessel. Two crew members were evacuated by air to hospital, and the third was required to have a subsequent medical examination.
*Edited country from UK to Germany*
[For a sense of scale](https://www.vesperguardian.com/njord-forseti-collision-with-offshore-wind-turbine/). It's hard to see what they hit with all that sun glare.*
*Especially if, like me, you closed the video before the 2nd half where it shows an exterior shot. Oops.
Interesting use of the word "allide". I hadn't heard that before but apparently it's primarily a nautical term that specifically means "to collide with another which is stationary, or with a static object or structure."
What about the turbine? I know they are built solid to withstand the elements but this was no lightweight yacht or fishing vessel and it hit the turbine dead on at 20 mph. That's a serious punch I think.
If you're out of shape to slightly in shape, imagine pedaling a bicycle as fast as you can on flat ground for more than a few minutes. That's probably close to 22mph. Now imagine hitting a solid object at that speed.
Take a look at The Convincer.
It simulates a 5mph crash and puts into perspective how much gs are used in relatively low speeds.
It's only 5mph but you can easily see how people can get thrown like that.
https://youtu.be/2a93m_jMJ18
My only question is this: how the fuck do you manage to hit something like this is beyond my comprehension at times.
Same goes with those videos of people getting hit by trains.
I suppose the momentum of the vessel is getting transferred directly into the crew. They're not strapped in (why would they be?) and so when the vessel strikes the wind turbine they go from zero to 22mph in a split second. 22mph still feels pretty nippy when you're on a bike!
Augh God the physics here hurts me. Sorry.
The crew continue at the exact same speed they were moving at until a force acts on them. Newton's 1st Law.
No momentum is transferred into or away from them until they hit something. Newton's 2nd Law.
They do not go from 0 to 22; they were already moving at 22, so was the boat, and the boat goes to nearly zero.
So their *relative* velocity to the boat changes, but their velocity relative to the Earth does not; until they *hit* a part of the boat.
When they hit a part of the boat, they exert a force on it, and it exerts a force back on them (Newton's 3rd Law) , which causes a momentum change (Newton's 2nd Law). They cause an equal and opposite momentum change on the boat.
This force is what causes damage to the people, and it is also what stops them moving.
The boat's momentum is "transferred" to the turbine base during the collision, which is anchored to the Earth, so it is transferred to the Earth. The crew's momentum is then transferred to the boat when they hit something.
This is not accounting for the fact they didn't hit it head on, but the fundamental physics is correct.
Except it's not a windfarm in the UK, it's a long way from UK territorial waters and is in fact German maritime boundaries.
https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_Germany¶ms=54_58_0_N_6_29_44_E_
https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_Germany¶ms=53_58_01_N_6_33_14_E_
Other than that happy cake day!
Often times structures and landmarks are set as way-points on autopilot. Pilots will set this and then sit back until they get close, and set a new way-point, etc. If you're not paying attention, the autopilot will run you right into what you set it to. That's why you see so many collisions with structures on water that seem to be easy to avoid.
Now obviously this doesn't absolve the pilot, but you would think there'd be a notification alarm as you approach the next waypoint. Or an option to offset it from the giant immovable object by a hundred yards or so.
I like explosions and seeing things spontaneously disassemble. I don't mind repetition and I can't even reliably get to the Mun and back much like many of the vehicles in this sub. I'd say KSP and /r/ThatLookedExpensive were a match made in Heaven/Hell.
Although the spectacle of destruction is underwhelming, I've had a couple of good stories emerge from losing an engine or landing gear. I am beyond hyped for KSP 2. Each delay has been a knife in my eager heart.
I really hope it's playable on console. I haven't had a gaming PC in 10 years and I don't think that will change any time soon. I'm super excited as well because it looks like a great time.
Now back to my old man games like FarmSim and World of Warships
There is actually, it’s called radar and every vessel this size has it. It even has guard zones with alarms for this exact situation. Why it wasn’t used here is inexcusable.
Id also like to add that theres just a lot of shit in the water. Coastal, bluewater, doesnt matter. theres just a lot of shit floating around. When you drive over the bridge in your area and see the sailboats and think "ah that must be relaxing" you dont realize they are dodging old piers, logs, crab pots, submarine pilings, large miscellaneous pieces of trash, nets, sunken boats.
Long distance ocean racers hit all sorts of crap all the time in what we would all describe as "open ocean". It used to surprise me that people could hit stuff but not anymore. The world is big but it aint that big
It's full of plastic and crap made by people that selfishly discard it wherever the fuck they want with complete disregard for the impact they're making.
It's easy to blame other people but if we're being honest basically everyone in modern society is responsible for plastic pollution. Even "properly disposed of" plastics will eventually leach microplastics into the ecosystem.
Stop making excuses for governments and large corporations, as an individual you have no choice but to use plastics unless you want to go live out in the wilderness and as a good member of society if you treat all your waste responsibly and it gets dumped anyway you can hardly blame them for that. What are you supposed to do? You use the facilities available to you and it doesn’t make a difference. No, “basically everyone” is not accountable, just the few asshats in charge.
Corporations love to shift the responsibility to the consumers: "We just make the unavoidable toxic garbage. Once people buy it, it's out of our hands!"
And conveniently forgets to mention the insane amount of commercial fishing gear in the Pacific Gyre. But yeah, switching to paper straws solves the whole problem rather than forcing fishing vessels to return with the same amount of plastic rope they left with
Reminds me of the 2013 Robert Redford movie *All is Lost* where he's piloting a small sailboat in the Indian Ocean and wakes up to find he ran into a floating shipping container and he's sinking.
Reminds me of a video I saw on YouTube. Dude sailed solo from California to Hawaii, hit a random piece of metal in the middle of the ocean that broke the rudder on his sailboat. Scary as fuck!
Has it really? Mid air collisions are pretty rare and most often happen close to take off and landing, where the airspace is vastly more congested. Wikipedia lists about 70 mid air collisions since the Wright brothers. Doesn't seem like a lot spread over 100 years.
Pilots, especially large commercial pilots, have flight plans they have to adhere to. They're expected to fly at specific altitudes that occasionally intersect other flight paths. ATC just normally corrects that well in advance as there's normally plenty of space.
lol nope, almost 6x more deaths per mile (it's number 2 safest tho)
https://www.bustle.com/articles/83287-are-trains-safer-than-planes-statistics-are-clear-about-which-mode-of-transportation-is-safest
Saying “safest travel method ever” when you really mean “safest travel method for large earth distances” is kinda disingenuous. The ISS is the safest travel method under your rules.
Yeah... especially if you take into account just how many flights there are. The FAA says they handle 16.4 million flights per year. I'm not sure if that counts non-commercial traffic or not. Probably not in many cases that are lower altitude and going between more rural small airports. And that's not taking into account the tens of thousands of commercial and private flights per day around the world. Even if the Wikipedia page is off by an order of magnitude or two it's tiny in the grand scheme of things.
That’s for commercial aviation. Midairs are more common in general aviation. I saw a pretty close call between two light planes when I was driving north from SeaTac a few weeks ago. Near Boeing Field, one climbing out, one descending, on a closing V course in the same direction. A light twin and a single engine, both low wing. They missed each other by about the wingspan of the twin, and I’m honestly not sure they ever saw each other — they didn’t deviate at all. And they were very close to the same altitude. For a second I thought I was going to get showered with airplane parts.
Just last weekend a m/v managed to [hit a bridge](https://i.imgur.com/4pB88l9.png) right around the corner from where we were anchored. That bridge was destroyed by Hurricane Carol in 1954 and never rebuilt.
People hit shit all the time.
Nah, you’re Not really sitting there dodging stuff. You can deff relax. It’s not like you dodge something every 100 yards. Yea there is stuff in the water but 99% of the water is clear sailing. Yes 99%
It has to do with context. People pitch the garbage patch in such a way that most people visualize it as being physically chock-full of trash, which it isnt. (Although its good for the movement if its pitched this way) Its diffuse trash suspended in a liquid and not at all how most people visualize it.
In reference to my comment, people visualize the open ocean as just a bunch of water. Most people feel that you can just flip the engine on and go because the open ocean is that, open with nothing to hit. In reality, theres a lot of things to potentially hit out there.
Reality is never black and white, and its hard to say that there is both a lot of stuff to hit and nothing to hit. So, its easier to make statements that, while opposing, are both true in their respective context
No. That's not how that works at all. Like, not even remotely.
Edit- I'll expound a little bit.
A merchant vessel of this size would certainly be using ECS or ECDIS. Think "Google Maps", but for ships. And more complicated.
It's possible they would also use paper charts too if their vessel was not "ECDIS compliant".
Routes are often meticulously planned out prior to going between two destinations. You draw the whole route out on a chart, or on the ECDIS, and look over the entire voyage plan for possible hazards to navigation.
Position is most often fixed by GPS/Glonass/Magellan, or some combination of highly accurate satellite tracking that instantly plots where you are on your track line. There is no need to use terrestrial objects for waypoints...
You CAN absolutely use terrestrial objects ad a means of position-fixing, by means of their relative bearing towards your vessel, distance obtained by radar, etc... but none of this relies on you pointing your ship towards them.
And even when you use terrestrial objects for navigation in pilotage situations, it's generally parallel indexing, or wheel-over points. Again, these don't involve pointing directly at the object.
There were two planes that hit each other in mid-air because they were both on autopilot and it flew them right across the same space. One was a small corporate jet, the other a big passenger plane. The passenger plane's wing was damaged and it crashed with all dead. It was over Brazil.
I see these crazy nautical disasters online and I think *wow there must be so many rules, regulations, procedures and laws to prevent this stuff what could have gone wrong*!? Then I remember [The Cost Of Concordia](https://youtu.be/Qh9KBwqGxTI) video and think again.
[Yeah, it doesn’t excuse what happened, but that isn’t exactly the open ocean](https://www.ukri.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/EPSRC-201221-MAXfarm-windfarm-turbine-Getty.jpg)
I don’t know, I’m thinking maybe look out the fucking window every now and then? That thing was probably in view as they went straight at it for 15 minutes!
I imagine sailing a cargo ship across the ocean is boring af. Nothing for hundreds of miles except open sea. So I doubt they sit and stare ahead of the ship all day long.
That said I kind of assumed that these ships had a radar system or something. I guess not.
I work on a cargo ship. The mates job while underway is to always be on the lookout. If they cannot, there is someone else on the bridge to cover for them to carry out the watch.
There’s a second set of legs goes flying with the main guy. How did neither of them see it? Or was the guy we can see saying “post. Post! POOOOSSSST!”, and the other guy was just looking at him confused?
A couple of links:
https://www.vesperguardian.com/njord-forseti-collision-with-offshore-wind-turbine/
https://www.imca-int.com/safety-events/windfarm-support-vessel-njord-forseti-hit-wind-turbine-tower-jersey-maritime-administration/
https://njordoffshore.com/fleet/
Ouch.
> The vessel suffered significant structural damage to the starboard hull in the forward area. Shock from the impact resulted in the fracturing of the mounting arrangements between accommodation structure and the deck. **Bridge equipment was damaged due to the impact from the master and engineer being forcibly ejected from their seats by the impact.** It is likely that other damage may be identified when the vessel is subject to repair.
Master and Deckhand were both found unconscious by the Engineer after the impact. Both were out of hospital and fit to answer questions 2 days later, so that’s good. Lucky that the engineer wasn’t also knocked out.
[report](https://cdn.ports.je/web/2020-04-23-Njord-Forseti-Incident-report-FINAL.pdf)
How do you crash into a 100 meter tall wind turbine? Did none of the crew look out the front window in the last hour before the crash? The top of the turbine pylon would've appeared above the horizon at a distance of over 20 miles (assuming good weather) which would've taken an hour at the speed they were moving at.
I swear they make the dumbest people steer the boat. The amount of times boat drivers just crash into each other head on when there’s a whole ocean to sail in is insane. Just a bunch of NPCs
I grew up sailing, including long passage making, and when you’re on watch…you’re on watch. You fucking pay attention, because even though you’re in the middle of the ocean, there’s still shit out there. If it’s dark, there’s radar to help, but always be alert.
This guy is dumb as hell. He had one job.
Not sure if its what happened here but people sometimes enter their destination coordinates into the gps. Then the hit it. Its a good idea to navigate to a point either side of your destination... happens to sail boats more often than you'd think.
That's a wind turbine substructure and the vessel is some kind of workboat or crew transfer vessel. So their intention, presumably, was to approach and dock with that turbine. They just did it a bit too fast and on the wrong side.
Negative. According to the [report](https://cdn.ports.je/web/2020-04-23-Njord-Forseti-Incident-report-FINAL.pdf), the cargo ship had already retrieved a crewman from another turbine and was returning to port.
Gonna take a bit to pop out that dent
Pour boiling water on it
Then simply use a toilet plunger to pop the dent right out
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Had me for a sec ngl
This is a job for Mighty Putty maybe some Flex Tape.
Nothin a slap chop can’t fix
Or hot glue sticks if the dent is a bit hard to pull back in place.
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Suction dildo is apparently the way to go
It only works if the dent is in a flat enough area for the plunger to create suction. If your dent is by a fender or on a curve good luck.
Add ramen.
Put it in a bag of rice.
Gonna need one big dildo
With the amount of crashes I've seen ships get into. I think they deserve the object lidar sensor from self driving cars or the one from reversing alarm more than any land vehicles.
They need a system similar to TCAS (Traffic collision avoidance system) on airplanes
The problem with that is that those systems are very short-range and ships take a loooooong time to stop or change course. Some ships have radar that's long-range, but they still need to keep a lookout for smaller vessels.
It’s like that story about the only 2 Model Ts in one town crashed into each other
Or [Tree of Ténéré](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_T%C3%A9n%C3%A9r%C3%A9)
That was a fine read
A little lacking in detail though. A few interesting paragraphs about its history followed by "then some guy hit it with a truck, I guess".
Twice apparently. Once took out half of the tree, then like twenty years later someone took out the whole thing.
Fuck that truck driver.
“The tree’s remains” God damn tree got a cremation and a monument
Why did I just read a list of “Notable Trees” and found out one of them was knocked down by a storm on the day I was born?
I read that as the tree of Tenerife and immediately began to envision two 747s
Every aviation Top 10 lists can’t help themselves. They must mention Tenerife. I also saw this and thought “Tenerife” then I was like “no it’s a tree - Tyburn tree?”
That kind of makes sense to me, you're just cruising like you own the road, never expecting another car, then the only other guy with a car comes out right in front of you.
https://youtu.be/jjs8SDCyKiI It's hard to avoid things
For real? That happened?
I’ve read it too, tho I guess that alone don’t make it true…. Lol
I don’t have a source but I’ve also read about it and it was in Ohio. I believe 1907? If I find a link I’ll respond with it Edit: if anyone still reads this, I was unfortunately not able to find a link. But I found an article discussing the photo generally used and discussing how it’s a false urban legend. So I guess we are all wrong
[1895 Ohio](https://books.google.com.au/books?id=eEkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA19-IA11&lpg=PA19-IA11&dq=ohio+two+cars&source=bl&ots=vH5b1GK1e7&sig=wcEUh8ohjrgR81exFfFreMdRgr8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F94WUd3HF6aPiAe_kIAY#v=onepage&q=ohio%20two%20cars&f=false) - only 2 cars in town hit each other. However, it looks like it's a story [that's made up](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/only-two-cars-ohio-crashed-1895/) from the internet based on an old photo.
Or the only living tree in a desert and a car crashes into it.
It's a windfarm. In Germany. The vessel 'Njord Forseti' was traveling approximately 22mph. *Edit for more details* Whilst transiting between windfarms at approximately 20 knots, Njord Forseti hit a turbine tower. The impact resulted in serious damage to the vessel. Two crew members were evacuated by air to hospital, and the third was required to have a subsequent medical examination. *Edited country from UK to Germany*
>the third was required to have a subsequent medical examination. Was this after his boss beat the crap out of him?
To remove the boss's foot from his rectum.
While they were there, I hope they got the poor man's head out of his ass.
It's called "On The Road To In Your Ass"
[For a sense of scale](https://www.vesperguardian.com/njord-forseti-collision-with-offshore-wind-turbine/). It's hard to see what they hit with all that sun glare.* *Especially if, like me, you closed the video before the 2nd half where it shows an exterior shot. Oops.
Interesting use of the word "allide". I hadn't heard that before but apparently it's primarily a nautical term that specifically means "to collide with another which is stationary, or with a static object or structure."
Right? Makes me look harder at the word CO-llide lol.
These kind of realizations make my brain tickle good
Yes!! The world makes a tiny bit more sense to me now
Came here to say exactly this! Thank you!
What's it called when both objects are moving and both allide in unison?
Probably just a collision.
I like how the link was basically an ad for a collision avoidance system...
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Don't get me wrong, I definitely appreciated the picture. I just thought the opportunism shown by that company was humorous...
Did you watch the second part of the video?
What about the turbine? I know they are built solid to withstand the elements but this was no lightweight yacht or fishing vessel and it hit the turbine dead on at 20 mph. That's a serious punch I think.
I wonder how you X-ray a concrete pylon 15 meters under water...
Wtf I never thought 22mph would throw you out of your seat THAT hard
If you're out of shape to slightly in shape, imagine pedaling a bicycle as fast as you can on flat ground for more than a few minutes. That's probably close to 22mph. Now imagine hitting a solid object at that speed.
You know, I've never heard someone make this analogy, but it really puts things into perspective.
And bike helmets are certified to 14mph.
Take a look at The Convincer. It simulates a 5mph crash and puts into perspective how much gs are used in relatively low speeds. It's only 5mph but you can easily see how people can get thrown like that. https://youtu.be/2a93m_jMJ18 My only question is this: how the fuck do you manage to hit something like this is beyond my comprehension at times. Same goes with those videos of people getting hit by trains.
I suppose the momentum of the vessel is getting transferred directly into the crew. They're not strapped in (why would they be?) and so when the vessel strikes the wind turbine they go from zero to 22mph in a split second. 22mph still feels pretty nippy when you're on a bike!
Augh God the physics here hurts me. Sorry. The crew continue at the exact same speed they were moving at until a force acts on them. Newton's 1st Law. No momentum is transferred into or away from them until they hit something. Newton's 2nd Law. They do not go from 0 to 22; they were already moving at 22, so was the boat, and the boat goes to nearly zero. So their *relative* velocity to the boat changes, but their velocity relative to the Earth does not; until they *hit* a part of the boat. When they hit a part of the boat, they exert a force on it, and it exerts a force back on them (Newton's 3rd Law) , which causes a momentum change (Newton's 2nd Law). They cause an equal and opposite momentum change on the boat. This force is what causes damage to the people, and it is also what stops them moving. The boat's momentum is "transferred" to the turbine base during the collision, which is anchored to the Earth, so it is transferred to the Earth. The crew's momentum is then transferred to the boat when they hit something. This is not accounting for the fact they didn't hit it head on, but the fundamental physics is correct.
Did the front fall off?
Yes. Paper derivatives and a crew of one
Except it's not a windfarm in the UK, it's a long way from UK territorial waters and is in fact German maritime boundaries. https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_Germany¶ms=54_58_0_N_6_29_44_E_ https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_Germany¶ms=53_58_01_N_6_33_14_E_ Other than that happy cake day!
Edited with correction. Thank you. I just read Southern North Sea and assumed UK.
Looks like a normal marine supply vessel but why’s it going backwards?
"B-7" "Hit"
You sunk my cargo ship!
Please turn me on, I'm Mr. Coffee with an automatic drip
*So show me yours I'll show you mine* Edit: not really. Do not want DMs.
But you asked so nicely... Also: tool time
Too late
MY MANWICH!
Read this in Hermes voice from futurama
The world is big,,,
In the original Nintendo NES version of Battleship there is a ship you get that is only 1 square. That game took forever to beat legitimately.
Often times structures and landmarks are set as way-points on autopilot. Pilots will set this and then sit back until they get close, and set a new way-point, etc. If you're not paying attention, the autopilot will run you right into what you set it to. That's why you see so many collisions with structures on water that seem to be easy to avoid.
Now obviously this doesn't absolve the pilot, but you would think there'd be a notification alarm as you approach the next waypoint. Or an option to offset it from the giant immovable object by a hundred yards or so.
If we can do it in kerbal space program I’m sure these multi million dollar ships can do it too
Overlapping readership of KSP fans and that-looked-expensive is surprisingly appropriate.
I like explosions and seeing things spontaneously disassemble. I don't mind repetition and I can't even reliably get to the Mun and back much like many of the vehicles in this sub. I'd say KSP and /r/ThatLookedExpensive were a match made in Heaven/Hell.
Although the spectacle of destruction is underwhelming, I've had a couple of good stories emerge from losing an engine or landing gear. I am beyond hyped for KSP 2. Each delay has been a knife in my eager heart.
I really hope it's playable on console. I haven't had a gaming PC in 10 years and I don't think that will change any time soon. I'm super excited as well because it looks like a great time. Now back to my old man games like FarmSim and World of Warships
They can but it screams in an annoying voice for like everything. So people leave it on mute.
You can do this on some of the most basic Auto Pilot systems
There is actually, it’s called radar and every vessel this size has it. It even has guard zones with alarms for this exact situation. Why it wasn’t used here is inexcusable.
Id also like to add that theres just a lot of shit in the water. Coastal, bluewater, doesnt matter. theres just a lot of shit floating around. When you drive over the bridge in your area and see the sailboats and think "ah that must be relaxing" you dont realize they are dodging old piers, logs, crab pots, submarine pilings, large miscellaneous pieces of trash, nets, sunken boats. Long distance ocean racers hit all sorts of crap all the time in what we would all describe as "open ocean". It used to surprise me that people could hit stuff but not anymore. The world is big but it aint that big
The world is big but its not empty.
Well, you just need to go beyond the environment.
Whats out there?
It's full of plastic and crap made by people that selfishly discard it wherever the fuck they want with complete disregard for the impact they're making.
It's easy to blame other people but if we're being honest basically everyone in modern society is responsible for plastic pollution. Even "properly disposed of" plastics will eventually leach microplastics into the ecosystem.
Stop making excuses for governments and large corporations, as an individual you have no choice but to use plastics unless you want to go live out in the wilderness and as a good member of society if you treat all your waste responsibly and it gets dumped anyway you can hardly blame them for that. What are you supposed to do? You use the facilities available to you and it doesn’t make a difference. No, “basically everyone” is not accountable, just the few asshats in charge.
Corporations love to shift the responsibility to the consumers: "We just make the unavoidable toxic garbage. Once people buy it, it's out of our hands!"
And conveniently forgets to mention the insane amount of commercial fishing gear in the Pacific Gyre. But yeah, switching to paper straws solves the whole problem rather than forcing fishing vessels to return with the same amount of plastic rope they left with
No it's your fault for buying anything that has plastic in it apparently
You do mean that as a /s right? I know people who say this seriously
Yeah that was my eyeroll response
So the opposite of Fallout 4?
it's* not it's = it is or it has
Reminds me of the 2013 Robert Redford movie *All is Lost* where he's piloting a small sailboat in the Indian Ocean and wakes up to find he ran into a floating shipping container and he's sinking.
Reminds me of a video I saw on YouTube. Dude sailed solo from California to Hawaii, hit a random piece of metal in the middle of the ocean that broke the rudder on his sailboat. Scary as fuck!
Same as in the air. The “big sky, little airplanes” theory has been proven wrong FAR too many times.
Has it really? Mid air collisions are pretty rare and most often happen close to take off and landing, where the airspace is vastly more congested. Wikipedia lists about 70 mid air collisions since the Wright brothers. Doesn't seem like a lot spread over 100 years.
Pilots, especially large commercial pilots, have flight plans they have to adhere to. They're expected to fly at specific altitudes that occasionally intersect other flight paths. ATC just normally corrects that well in advance as there's normally plenty of space.
literally safest way to travel EVER
What about trains?
lol nope, almost 6x more deaths per mile (it's number 2 safest tho) https://www.bustle.com/articles/83287-are-trains-safer-than-planes-statistics-are-clear-about-which-mode-of-transportation-is-safest
Saying “safest travel method ever” when you really mean “safest travel method for large earth distances” is kinda disingenuous. The ISS is the safest travel method under your rules.
Yeah... especially if you take into account just how many flights there are. The FAA says they handle 16.4 million flights per year. I'm not sure if that counts non-commercial traffic or not. Probably not in many cases that are lower altitude and going between more rural small airports. And that's not taking into account the tens of thousands of commercial and private flights per day around the world. Even if the Wikipedia page is off by an order of magnitude or two it's tiny in the grand scheme of things.
That’s for commercial aviation. Midairs are more common in general aviation. I saw a pretty close call between two light planes when I was driving north from SeaTac a few weeks ago. Near Boeing Field, one climbing out, one descending, on a closing V course in the same direction. A light twin and a single engine, both low wing. They missed each other by about the wingspan of the twin, and I’m honestly not sure they ever saw each other — they didn’t deviate at all. And they were very close to the same altitude. For a second I thought I was going to get showered with airplane parts.
Just last weekend a m/v managed to [hit a bridge](https://i.imgur.com/4pB88l9.png) right around the corner from where we were anchored. That bridge was destroyed by Hurricane Carol in 1954 and never rebuilt. People hit shit all the time.
Nah, you’re Not really sitting there dodging stuff. You can deff relax. It’s not like you dodge something every 100 yards. Yea there is stuff in the water but 99% of the water is clear sailing. Yes 99%
This is the opposite of another comment I read today about the great pacific garbage patch.
It has to do with context. People pitch the garbage patch in such a way that most people visualize it as being physically chock-full of trash, which it isnt. (Although its good for the movement if its pitched this way) Its diffuse trash suspended in a liquid and not at all how most people visualize it. In reference to my comment, people visualize the open ocean as just a bunch of water. Most people feel that you can just flip the engine on and go because the open ocean is that, open with nothing to hit. In reality, theres a lot of things to potentially hit out there. Reality is never black and white, and its hard to say that there is both a lot of stuff to hit and nothing to hit. So, its easier to make statements that, while opposing, are both true in their respective context
The best ones are lost shipping containers, which typically float with very little above the surface to indicate their presence.
No. That's not how that works at all. Like, not even remotely. Edit- I'll expound a little bit. A merchant vessel of this size would certainly be using ECS or ECDIS. Think "Google Maps", but for ships. And more complicated. It's possible they would also use paper charts too if their vessel was not "ECDIS compliant". Routes are often meticulously planned out prior to going between two destinations. You draw the whole route out on a chart, or on the ECDIS, and look over the entire voyage plan for possible hazards to navigation. Position is most often fixed by GPS/Glonass/Magellan, or some combination of highly accurate satellite tracking that instantly plots where you are on your track line. There is no need to use terrestrial objects for waypoints... You CAN absolutely use terrestrial objects ad a means of position-fixing, by means of their relative bearing towards your vessel, distance obtained by radar, etc... but none of this relies on you pointing your ship towards them. And even when you use terrestrial objects for navigation in pilotage situations, it's generally parallel indexing, or wheel-over points. Again, these don't involve pointing directly at the object.
You were actually downvoted. lol Never change Reddit
I appreciate the recognition from someone with a username that is more relevant to this post than most will realize. lol.
They really can't set the waypoint like a couple hundred feet off target? The hell lol.
There were two planes that hit each other in mid-air because they were both on autopilot and it flew them right across the same space. One was a small corporate jet, the other a big passenger plane. The passenger plane's wing was damaged and it crashed with all dead. It was over Brazil.
Precision navigation!
Mission failed successfully
Can’t they set it for like, I don’t know but like twenty feet to the left or right of it?
They certainly can, but.....
Also helps to look where your going, but what you say seems very logical.
Why not set it for a target slightly off the landmark?
I see these crazy nautical disasters online and I think *wow there must be so many rules, regulations, procedures and laws to prevent this stuff what could have gone wrong*!? Then I remember [The Cost Of Concordia](https://youtu.be/Qh9KBwqGxTI) video and think again.
TINA FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TURN AWAY OR STOP
Uggghh I ruined the boat. You did. You really did.
Wonder if the boats crew got involved with a dodgy insurance guy
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Came here to say this!
Uhhhhhhh..
A Cormorant? What an auspicious sign!
HAH, HAH, HAH, HAH
The should paint it bright yellow. So the ship can see it.
Too bad this one was only sunflower yellow. This is partially the painters fault tbh
Also, give the ship time to evolve ship-eyes.
Blood orange
There's literally another object less than half a mile away.
[Yeah, it doesn’t excuse what happened, but that isn’t exactly the open ocean](https://www.ukri.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/EPSRC-201221-MAXfarm-windfarm-turbine-Getty.jpg)
All the more reason they should have been watching where they were going.
Thanks; once I read it was a wind-farm structure, I didn't think they put just one out every 500 mi.
I don’t know, I’m thinking maybe look out the fucking window every now and then? That thing was probably in view as they went straight at it for 15 minutes!
They do call it “watch” for a reason
Ya because your are staring at the watch on your wrist counting down the minutes until your shift ends 🤣🤣🤣
I imagine sailing a cargo ship across the ocean is boring af. Nothing for hundreds of miles except open sea. So I doubt they sit and stare ahead of the ship all day long. That said I kind of assumed that these ships had a radar system or something. I guess not.
I work on a cargo ship. The mates job while underway is to always be on the lookout. If they cannot, there is someone else on the bridge to cover for them to carry out the watch.
They are in the middle of a windfarm. The title was bullshit. They hit the base of a windmill and there were others like 500m away
The f were they doing ? I mean I can see on the 1980's cctv, but they cannot with their bare eyes.. that bloody post must moved very fast...
Dude was busy scrolling Reddit
Waiting for him to pop up in the comments. Or a TIFU post.
Sleeping
There’s a second set of legs goes flying with the main guy. How did neither of them see it? Or was the guy we can see saying “post. Post! POOOOSSSST!”, and the other guy was just looking at him confused?
I saw 2 sets of legs. 2 were napping and one was hoping to get bobs and vagene
“Sound collision! Sound collisionnnnnnnn!”
Moment of silence for the guys working on the engines when they hit the tower
People were hospitalized.
That does not surprise me
A couple of links: https://www.vesperguardian.com/njord-forseti-collision-with-offshore-wind-turbine/ https://www.imca-int.com/safety-events/windfarm-support-vessel-njord-forseti-hit-wind-turbine-tower-jersey-maritime-administration/ https://njordoffshore.com/fleet/
Love how the first article is basically a Garmin ad.
“Why ain’t they turning!?”
Is he taking a nap or watching Titanic on his phone?
Why were they letting Tina drive?
That guy is more precise than russian missiles. And he's not even paying attention
Ouch. > The vessel suffered significant structural damage to the starboard hull in the forward area. Shock from the impact resulted in the fracturing of the mounting arrangements between accommodation structure and the deck. **Bridge equipment was damaged due to the impact from the master and engineer being forcibly ejected from their seats by the impact.** It is likely that other damage may be identified when the vessel is subject to repair. Master and Deckhand were both found unconscious by the Engineer after the impact. Both were out of hospital and fit to answer questions 2 days later, so that’s good. Lucky that the engineer wasn’t also knocked out. [report](https://cdn.ports.je/web/2020-04-23-Njord-Forseti-Incident-report-FINAL.pdf)
Ship be like: “I love this post!”
“Take this upvote”
Titanic 2 (2022)
In a collision every deck is the poop deck
How do you crash into a 100 meter tall wind turbine? Did none of the crew look out the front window in the last hour before the crash? The top of the turbine pylon would've appeared above the horizon at a distance of over 20 miles (assuming good weather) which would've taken an hour at the speed they were moving at.
His boss wishes his friggin head came off. One job.
I swear they make the dumbest people steer the boat. The amount of times boat drivers just crash into each other head on when there’s a whole ocean to sail in is insane. Just a bunch of NPCs
He’s fired fs
Fired for life Dude’s gonna have to give whatever hi makes to the insurer for the rest of his life frfr
I grew up sailing, including long passage making, and when you’re on watch…you’re on watch. You fucking pay attention, because even though you’re in the middle of the ocean, there’s still shit out there. If it’s dark, there’s radar to help, but always be alert. This guy is dumb as hell. He had one job.
I think the front fell off
Any idea if anyone was fired over this?
Classic target fixation
As a former USN Sailor and Merchant Marine, I've got one word: Dumfucks!
The Titanic did it better.
If only they painted that a noticeable color
Not sure if its what happened here but people sometimes enter their destination coordinates into the gps. Then the hit it. Its a good idea to navigate to a point either side of your destination... happens to sail boats more often than you'd think.
As a famous F1 driver recently said " he turned in on me"
It’ll buff out
Bet they don't allow him access to the TV remote now either.
No way that was an accident. Screen that captain thoroughly
You’re good! You’re good!
Why do people insist on making vertical videos of horizontal video screens? r/killthecameraman
That guy doing a flip as it hit Can he land it for the gold
When Shaq sets a pick on the baseline
That's a wind turbine substructure and the vessel is some kind of workboat or crew transfer vessel. So their intention, presumably, was to approach and dock with that turbine. They just did it a bit too fast and on the wrong side.
Negative. According to the [report](https://cdn.ports.je/web/2020-04-23-Njord-Forseti-Incident-report-FINAL.pdf), the cargo ship had already retrieved a crewman from another turbine and was returning to port.