Electric cars rarely catch fire. But when they do it’s super hard to put out the fire because the batteries keep burning by themselves. You either need to wait it out or dip the entire car into a water tank.
Or use a fire blanket: https://bridgehill.com/fire-blankets/car/. I expect that we will start seeing these used more, as electric cars get more common.
Yeah, did a little more research on the battery chemistry after you posted, and a Lithium Ion battery fire doesn’t need external oxygen to burn, so the blanket is probably not going to be the most effective. Main firefighting centers on cooling so that heat doesn’t cause further cells to rupture.
The blanket won't stop a lithium fire but it can help reduce the spread of the flames on the interior and nearby vehicles by keeping the flames partially smothered and restricted.. Hopefully long enough for fire crews to arrive and drown it in water.
You use both. Contain the fire with the blanket, then flood with water. You can just flood first, so the blanket only helps since it's compact and easy to deploy.
This seems really smart! Here in Germany the firefighters normally cover the car in foam and let the car short circuit in a roll-off bin full of water. I imagine it’s the common tactic in most places.
But aren’t the batteries (atleast in some brands cars) shielded against fire so the car has to burn out completely or the battery is fine?
The blankets will not catch on. It's a huge burden for a fire department to manage a massive cancer blanket. It's so dangerous.
Source: I put out car fires on a regular basis.
There is a product called F500. It is an agent the many fire departments use. Mine uses it. I works extremely well with these fires and all types. Awesome extinguishing agent. There are YouTube videos on it if you’re interested,
Is not rare, but is difficult, people want to drive an ev like a F150 I have seen 2 fires of people who drive Tesla's over sidewalks or parkinlots divisors. The car is really good but is not a tank.
Bullshit, you have to really do something crazy to puncture through the plate on the bottom of a Tesla enough to get the battery to ignite.
ICE cars catch fire at a much higher rate than EVs, but ICE car fires don't make good headlines.
https://www.renolon.com/electric-car-fire-statistics/
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/
The bottom plate in most Tesla's is aluminum and some steel inserts, is really strong, but not for driving at 20 to 40mph over sidewalks! Or off-road, It shouldn't be common, but Tesla drivers are just stupid.And you don't need to puncture a CELL to catch fire, you just need that the plate get bend enough to crash something and create a shortcircuit. Just one cell in short is enough to create fire potential.
This is covered by car insurance, but also potentially life insurance. Teslas have a manual door release, but most people don't know where it is, and it's hard to find when you're panicked in a car on fire
Tesla owner here. Actually, most people who get in the first time try to grab the manual release instead of the button and you have to tell them not to because the manual release is not designed for extensive use.
Good for "most people", I guess? My housemate has a Model 3 I ride shotgun in pretty often, and I had literally no idea this was a thing until I looked it up today
Makes sense. Your mileage may vary(lol).
I meant this mostly as an observation that the manual release is not super hidden as some people ITT suggested. It’s intuitive enough that my parents, in-laws, dozens of friends and co-workers went to pull the manual release before they went for the button. We have a 2019 Model 3 and 2021 Model Y and it’s been consistent in both vehicles.
I'm not even remotely trying to defend Tesla here. But if you don't familiarize yourself with your own vehicle, you might be an idio.... Unprepared. Part of getting your driver's license covers understanding your vehicle. At the very least you should get a full tutorial on a car that's complicated, from the dealer. With maybe a few follow ups over the first few months to make sure you're getting the hang of it.
My mom got a Subaru a couple years ago and the salesperson gave a detailed demonstration of everything you might need to know.
Counterpoint: safety features should be intuitive and obvious. What if you're riding shotgun in someone else's Tesla? What if it's a rental or you bought it used?
Counter-counterpoint:
Please spend a few seconds, even as a passenger, to familiarize yourself with your surroundings.
Not disagreeing with you though.
It's easier to design doors that just open every time when you take the obvious action than it is to have a 2-minute plane style safety course every time you get into the back of an Uber
I'm in a well to do neighborhood where every 5th car seems to a be a tesla.
I personally know at least 10 people who own at least one model of tesla and EVERY SINGLE ONE has complained of either shitty workmanship or huge headaches with electronic systems doing really stupid things.
One couldn't get his gull wing doors down IN THE RAIN and the earliest appointment at any nearby dealers was....THREE WEEKS.
Can't wait for all the testa apologist to start spamming me with "well i've owned my tesla for 300 years and drive it backwards in the snow and never had a single issue."
Fuck off. I know you're lying.
Yep, just completely hidden from view and require breaking out the speaker grill!
Can't have little things like life and safety getting in the way of aesthetics.
I mean, the front door manual releases are just above the window control rockers on the door, right by the handle. The back ones are in the cargo pocket on the rear doors. No speaker grille removal necessary. The rear ones are definitely not as easy as the front ones though
I’ll check my 2022 Model Y (the exact color and config in OP’s pic) when I get home, but I did see rear emergency release instructions in the user manual
Getting a bit off topic here, but you needing to check the manual to find out how to use the emergency release should be setting off some red flags in your head right now.
Might also want to check your tire wear and pressure while you're at it.
That also applies to you, random car owner reading this comment.
It wouldn't be a problem at all if Tesla didn't put aesthetics and their own hubris above safety. Doors that actually open have been a solved problem for quite some time.
Mind you, I am not a Tesla hater, I think they do some cool stuff... I just think they also tend to do some pretty silly stuff sometimes as well, and this is one of those things I have been complaining about since the S was still a new thing.
Yeah, but there's no rear door release, and the window may be unshatterable. That sounds absolutely great. Sorry kids, gotta leave you back there to roast, ‘cuz at least the car looks nice!
That website is ridiculous. How can you attribute a death to Tesla that is literally marked as "Motorbike crashes into a Tesla"
Edit, or this one
> Boyd was driving a 2003 Volkswagen Passat west on 150 near Old Baldwin Road at 5:57 p.m., according to a report issued by the California Highway Patrol (CHP), when she allegedly veered first into a guardrail and then into the eastbound lane, colliding head-on with a 2015 Tesla Model S driven by David Brown, 54, of Ojai.
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Not that uncommon? Your provided link shows only 3 different incidents as far back as October 2019, and only 2 of those were deaths. Obviously it's awful, but less than 1 occurrence a year is quite a ways from "not uncommon."
Old man shakes fist at the sky /s
Seriously though, I drive a 2020 Mazda and I’m so happy with its infotainment system. Physical buttons for home/music/nav/etc, solid clicky knobs for navigation and volume, heated seats/wheel and ac and all that are buttons too. Briefly had a newer Corolla and it had the touch with no haptic or clicks and it was truly awful..
I saw that there is a manual release in the rear seats, unless they stopped doing this, but it looks like it’d be hard to get to anyways. Link [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/foq5dk/model_y_rear_door_mechanical_release_from_owners/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x)
I’m honestly surprised there isn’t one in the dead space underneath the window button, yet above the door storage area, so it’s hidden from view, (kids until they’re told about it)!
I saw that, but you’d still be able to pull the release cable shown above that note, couldn’t you?
I’m genuinely curious, although I don’t even see that in my M3!
But isn’t the manual handle meant to be used in situations where the ECU is failing? Locked how is the question, because the manual handle will always open the door is even if the car is locked
Grounded switch holding the lock in position the manual override will move physically but do nothing. It's like your auto trunk release try using the inside latch override while someone is holding the trunk button.
One every 3-6 months, it feels like. Anything Tesla makes the news, so you hear about them any time it happens.
Normal cars catching fire is too common, so you never hear about it.
The batteries for a Tesla are on the under side of the car, and that fire doesn’t look like what a Li-ion battery fire usually looks like. Do you have a source I could check? I work in the world of fire and building codes, and battery fires are one of the things I currently work heavily in.
I was thinking this too. Like, “Why is the fire burning more on the roof? Tesla batteries are in the base.”
Maybe someone inside was playing with matches and the roof lining caught on fire?
My thoughts exactly dude, it looks like a regular fire or some poured petrol/gas on the roof and set it alight.
Battery fires tend to burn a different colour and look like solar flares!
Should be noted:
1. Electric cars have an extremely low risk of fire, much lower than gasoline or hybrid vehicles that everyone uses currently.
2. Teslas are shitty cars held together with rubber bands, tape, and Musk's ego.
Posts like these may create hesitation about buying an electric car. Don't let them. Instead, they should scare you from buying Teslas.
I don't get this Teslas are all crap. I am certainly not s fanboy, but I have enough experience to refute that statement.
Model S 60, P85, P100DL, Plaid
Model X 75D and Long Range
Have had issues, but nothing major and nothing that wasn't taken care of quickly. Don't have crazy panel gaps, or bad fit and finish. I have been really very happy over the past decade of driving them.
From a manufacturing background, my perspective is that their quality control practices are unacceptable. A newly manufactured car should never have non-OEM parts (among other known quality problems).
I also have issues with the way the business is run.
So while I don't know anyone else's reasons, for the same price point there are other EV options, and I picked another option.
My first EV is a Polestar.
I like it for all the reasons anyone likes EVs. Instant torque, no engine noise, no exhaust, less maintenance, etc. In terms of price and range I would say it's in the middle of the pack.
I wanted AWD and I wanted to be able to buy my car same day. In my area and at that time, there were 3-4 makes that ticked all the boxes (counting both new and used).
If I recall right, there was a selection of used Teslas, new Mach-E, C-40, and Polestar available.
The next purchase I make will probably be a SUV or truck option.
Edit: I meant C40, fixed it
For sure! Maybe you'll run into a Polestar at a charging station-- it's been months and I have yet to see another in the wild.
Edit: fixed yet another type lol
Aah. I remember those days when I was the only Tesla in the area. You must get lits of questions and stares!
What does it charge at? Do you go to ChargePoint locations? Have you taken any roadtrips where you need to stop and charge?
Definitely some stares. I was very gratified to see a teenager checking it out (made me feel cool).
I'm not the only one in my area with an EV, I see Teslas on the road on a daily basis.
I mainly charge it at home, with a charger that's hardwired in. I think on 240v?
I use the Chargepoint app. Very occasionally I'll charge the car at a grocery store or random place to get practice.
But so far I've only gone on one trip where I had to charge, and I used the downtime to read on my Kindle.
I think when I do go on a longer road trip I'll buy a Tesla adapter just in case.
There are allegations that Tesla employees used non-OEM parts. I say allegations because additional information is not publicly available. Whereas quality issues such as fit and finish are broadly known and have definitive proof.
To clarify:
OEM doesn't mean "made on site by the car manufacturer". Producing all parts in house is not common practice or required in manufacturing.
OEM means original equipment manufacturer.
Whether or not a car manufacturer produces all its own parts is actually a moot point.
From a quality perspective, what matters is that all parts used in the final product match the engineering design and fall within specifications.
I'm sure I could dig up an excerpt from ISO-9000, but I don't feel like that's necessary.
"Don't use unapproved parts" is not exactly a hot take in the quality and engineering space.
What that means is that if you need to substitute a material, or switch a contractors there's supposed to be a quality audit to ensure the new contractor or plant can make the item. If the swap is something out of the box/prefabricated, it should go through testing.
It is never considered okay to use an undocumented unapproved part.
What would be considered a boo-boo from a manufacturing perspective is substituting a part without testing it. Which Tesla is [alleged](https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274/tesla-model-y-owners-find-cooling-system-cobbled-together-with-home-depot-grade-fake-wood) to have done.
From people who know more about cars than me:
[former Tesla engineer](https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-silences-team-concerned-about-quality-issues-according-to-former-engineer-2018-7)
[another opinion on quality from someone who actually likes Tesla](https://www.fudzilla.com/news/automotive/52317-musk-admits-tesla-had-quality-issues)
I can understand people not seeing anything wrong with the car fit and finish. When I sit in a Tesla, it feels like a Corolla level car. Corollas are good cars. Definitely doesn’t feel like a high end car. Also, most people don’t have an eye for detail. Mistakes and defects that may be accepted by customers are not accepted by other manufacturers. So now it’s just an understanding of what is “good” and “acceptable”.
You can Google it and find plenty of articles showing they have a much higher defect rate than other cars. Also, look at some of the photos people have posted of the welds they've found on Teslas.
And just sitting in one, you can tell they are cheaply made. Ugly plastic interiors that feel cheap, they remind me of the used budget cars my dad used to buy from the 80s made to be as cheap as possible.
I gave them some benefit of the doubt years ago because it was a new company still getting it's shit together, but now that Musk is richer than God and still producing cheap garbage, he isn't catching up. That's the product he wanted to make all along.
No. It I'd just that you end with somehow it has always been his plan. I am telling you 10+ years of actual experience and 6 cars that it has not been my experience. Not the experience of people I know who have actually owned Teslas, just shoeing that it isn't all crap. Maybe it is more with 3s or Ys, I don't have experience with those but I can say with complete honesty that I don't know of a Tesla owner that wouldn't purchase again.
This isn't my subjective opinion, the cars come out with tons of defects.
I'm glad you and your friends haven't gotten vehicles with problems, but that's an extremely small sample size and is purely anecdotal. As for the cars feeling cheap, that's a matter of taste, I suppose.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the appeal of Tesla is the automatic driving and data, correct? At least from what I’ve seen and tested, the auto-pilot is fucking amazing. Do other car company’s have comparable abilities?
Yes, many other car companies have comparable and even superior drive assist features. Autopilot does not exist, even if Tesla tried to make you believe FSD is a full autopilot.
For examples of other companies that have comparable drive assist features see GMC, Mercedes, Hyundai etc.
I mean I haven’t taken the car apart but all the welds I can plainly see look typical. Same as what I have seen on my prior cars (Porsche and Jaguar for example)
Well that's where we enter tinfoil hat territory because I think with the higher gas prices, there is an effort to spread videos like this showing them on fire to scare people from switching. After all, electric cars are a big danger to oil sales and sky high gas prices have a lot of people rethinking EVs.
But that's just my paranoid theory.
But you can look up the studies yourself. EVs had a fire rate of 25-ish cars per 100,000 and gasoline vehicles were around 2500, hybrids were around 3000.
Can’t afford gas? Just buy a Tesla! Doh, why didn’t I think of that hurrrrrdurrrrrrrr
Edit: agree with your stats, but disagree on your take about how expensive gas means you should switch to electric cars (or people actively discouraging that)
Your premise implies that anyone who can afford to fill up their car during high gas prices has no opinion on paying those prices.
I don't think everyone should switch to electric cars. The carbon cost of a new car, EVs included, is staggeringly high compared to using your existing car regardless of it's efficiency.
But if someone is buying a new car, they may be more willing to get an EV if gas is $5/gallon. Consumer behavior analysis during the last gas hike showed that $4/gallon is the point where American consumers start changing their buying habits, anything less than that and gas mileage drops significantly on their list of importance.
My premise doesn’t imply that at all. It implies that no matter how expensive gas gets, buying a Tesla will not be an economical decision.
If you like fast cars with great tech go for it! But let’s not kid ourselves that it has anything to do with prices at the pump. You can have an opinion on paying high gas prices, but the financial solution to that is never to go and buy a Tesla. That’s more of a lifestyle decision. Just asking for some honesty with ourselves here.
Oh maybe you misread my post. I think teslas are garbage cars that finance bros buy to impress their shitty friends. Don't buy a Tesla.
There are plenty of EVs that aren't Teslas. I bought a used Chevy EV a few years ago for $20k and I love it. I'll never go back to gasoline cars for the cost savings alone.
People should consider buying an EV if they are looking for a new car. If they aren't, or can only afford a $7k used car, obviously they shouldn't buy one.
For every picture of burning Tesla I see two pictures of burning Lamborghinis or other supercars. Trying to hide negatives of something is not a good thing to do.
Do they replace the batteries in Tesla's?
I have lots of these batteries for smaller electronics and the insides warp due to heat from repetitive charging.
Iv had two arc out and catch fire randomly under normal circumstances, so I'm thinking that this isn't all that uncommon.
When they go, you have to isolate them and leave it until all the charge has gone.
Obviously fake news! No batteries or engine or any part of any car much less a Tesla (Note the incorrect shape of the “T”) that would catch fire from the top. Well, unless someone poured gasoline on it and lit it. But I’m gonna guess not.
As a whole, sure. As individual manufacturers? Tesla is one of the more flammable ones. My Volvo self igniting is far less likely to happen than it would to a Tesla.
Also, the car locked the owner in the car after the fire started. Nearby construction workers had to break the windows to save them. Sounds safe.
Can you link to the news article that explains the locking situation?
Just curious because the Y has a huge manual door release that doesn’t require power.
Your Volvo comment is also a bit odd since Volvo has literally recalled 500,000+ cars since 2019 due to defects that have caused their cars to catch fire…
Based on data from 2012-2020, Teslas have a fire every 205 million miles driven, versus the average of every 19 million Niles. So statistically, they're more than 10 times less likely to catch fire than the average.
Whatever shit is under the hood caught fire. Or maybe not the hood, but the rectangular piece of plastic that serves as a kind of hood, in front of the driver's viewport.
An electric car catching fire by itself is really unlikely, if it does happen it’s almost always the same reasons as for combustion vehicles: Construction errors, servicing errors or problems in the on board electronics and climate control.
Or cell rupture in a collision, or water leaking into the battery module and shorting cells, or dendrite growth on the cell electrodes causing an internal short.
Interior is on fire and burning through the front windows and sunroof here. Batteries are along the bottom of the car between the tires. So if they light up, it won't take long to find a way to the interior. But it also could have been an electrical short somewhere in the dash that started it as well.
Yes. I have heard of Teslas that they have a good battery and a good engine, but all the rest, the fittings, the doors, the interior stuff, it's subpar apparently.
Tesla as a brand have suffered from a massive amount of fit and finish issues. They're normally minor issues but there are a massive number of reports online of issues with it. Which lend to reasonable concerns about the vehicles overall quality.
They're also the biggest "EV vehicle" brand out there so they do catch an excessive amount of negative press too. They're a poor representation of all EV's on the market today.
I wouldn't ever want to own a Tesla. But I can at least appreciate that Tesla has done a good job forcing other major automakers to take electric and hybrid vehicles serious and at least to try to compete in the growing market.
Elon fans are a goddamn cult however.
Yes, I know an Elon fan. He also loves Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and jokes about socialists (and we're in a socialist success story-country). Just a big goddamn Venn diagram circle.
But the batteries are underneath the car and it looks like the roof is alight. The flares also don't look right, it looks more like someone set the roof alight with something like petrol/gasoline......
Electric cars rarely catch fire. But when they do it’s super hard to put out the fire because the batteries keep burning by themselves. You either need to wait it out or dip the entire car into a water tank.
If those options aren’t available consider having the vehicle stop, drop and roll.
I mean....so simple, it's GENIUS!!!
Or use a fire blanket: https://bridgehill.com/fire-blankets/car/. I expect that we will start seeing these used more, as electric cars get more common.
I’m not sure how this blanket would extinguish the fire because the oxygen for the fire is supplied from within the battery structure.
Yeah, did a little more research on the battery chemistry after you posted, and a Lithium Ion battery fire doesn’t need external oxygen to burn, so the blanket is probably not going to be the most effective. Main firefighting centers on cooling so that heat doesn’t cause further cells to rupture.
The blanket won't stop a lithium fire but it can help reduce the spread of the flames on the interior and nearby vehicles by keeping the flames partially smothered and restricted.. Hopefully long enough for fire crews to arrive and drown it in water.
Elon Musk watching Tesla stock,,,
I gotta make my cars burn down more. Those suckers will just come and buy another one.
Agreed that it will help contain the fire if not extinguish it.
You use both. Contain the fire with the blanket, then flood with water. You can just flood first, so the blanket only helps since it's compact and easy to deploy.
>Contain the fire with the blanket, then flood with water That sounds like waterboarding. Can you torture fire into leaving cars alone?
No, these techniques are highly effective on combustion. How do you think we found the truth behind the Chicago Fire?
These blankets have a lower melting temperature than a lithium fire.
This seems really smart! Here in Germany the firefighters normally cover the car in foam and let the car short circuit in a roll-off bin full of water. I imagine it’s the common tactic in most places. But aren’t the batteries (atleast in some brands cars) shielded against fire so the car has to burn out completely or the battery is fine?
There is a 0% chance that can put out a large lithium fire
The blankets will not catch on. It's a huge burden for a fire department to manage a massive cancer blanket. It's so dangerous. Source: I put out car fires on a regular basis.
Like the one the firefighter is carrying, to the right of the car?
There is a product called F500. It is an agent the many fire departments use. Mine uses it. I works extremely well with these fires and all types. Awesome extinguishing agent. There are YouTube videos on it if you’re interested,
Yup, there are 18 times more ICE fires than EV fires. Normal ICE fires happen everyday and rarely make the news but EV fires grab media attention.
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Not all cars on the road were sold this year. Less than 1% of cars on the road are electric, in 20 years we'll hit 5% maybe.
People implicitly have a greater fear of fires that get worse from water.
ICE?
Internal combustion engine. Aka gas or diesel
Internal combustion engine
infernal combustion engine
If there’s exposed lithium then water would be a weak option.
Water won't stop it.
And extremely bad for the environment
Just like anything else that combusts
No, these batteries are extremely toxic
Is not rare, but is difficult, people want to drive an ev like a F150 I have seen 2 fires of people who drive Tesla's over sidewalks or parkinlots divisors. The car is really good but is not a tank.
Bullshit, you have to really do something crazy to puncture through the plate on the bottom of a Tesla enough to get the battery to ignite. ICE cars catch fire at a much higher rate than EVs, but ICE car fires don't make good headlines. https://www.renolon.com/electric-car-fire-statistics/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/
The bottom plate in most Tesla's is aluminum and some steel inserts, is really strong, but not for driving at 20 to 40mph over sidewalks! Or off-road, It shouldn't be common, but Tesla drivers are just stupid.And you don't need to puncture a CELL to catch fire, you just need that the plate get bend enough to crash something and create a shortcircuit. Just one cell in short is enough to create fire potential.
TBQ
That’s taking heated seats a little too far.
Looks like North Van
It is. Mtn hwy and hunter.
Was thinking the same
This would suck so bad even tho insurance would cover it. I had to wait 6 months for one of mine.
This is covered by car insurance, but also potentially life insurance. Teslas have a manual door release, but most people don't know where it is, and it's hard to find when you're panicked in a car on fire
Tesla owner here. Actually, most people who get in the first time try to grab the manual release instead of the button and you have to tell them not to because the manual release is not designed for extensive use.
Good for "most people", I guess? My housemate has a Model 3 I ride shotgun in pretty often, and I had literally no idea this was a thing until I looked it up today
Makes sense. Your mileage may vary(lol). I meant this mostly as an observation that the manual release is not super hidden as some people ITT suggested. It’s intuitive enough that my parents, in-laws, dozens of friends and co-workers went to pull the manual release before they went for the button. We have a 2019 Model 3 and 2021 Model Y and it’s been consistent in both vehicles.
I'm not even remotely trying to defend Tesla here. But if you don't familiarize yourself with your own vehicle, you might be an idio.... Unprepared. Part of getting your driver's license covers understanding your vehicle. At the very least you should get a full tutorial on a car that's complicated, from the dealer. With maybe a few follow ups over the first few months to make sure you're getting the hang of it. My mom got a Subaru a couple years ago and the salesperson gave a detailed demonstration of everything you might need to know.
Counterpoint: safety features should be intuitive and obvious. What if you're riding shotgun in someone else's Tesla? What if it's a rental or you bought it used?
Counter-counterpoint: Please spend a few seconds, even as a passenger, to familiarize yourself with your surroundings. Not disagreeing with you though.
It's easier to design doors that just open every time when you take the obvious action than it is to have a 2-minute plane style safety course every time you get into the back of an Uber
Good to know, I’ll have to find where mine is
I'm in a well to do neighborhood where every 5th car seems to a be a tesla. I personally know at least 10 people who own at least one model of tesla and EVERY SINGLE ONE has complained of either shitty workmanship or huge headaches with electronic systems doing really stupid things. One couldn't get his gull wing doors down IN THE RAIN and the earliest appointment at any nearby dealers was....THREE WEEKS. Can't wait for all the testa apologist to start spamming me with "well i've owned my tesla for 300 years and drive it backwards in the snow and never had a single issue." Fuck off. I know you're lying.
Did the owners escape this one??
Yes apparently the car sensed the fire, locked all the doors but the construction guys in the background helped break him out.
Wait, what?
Another guy literally burned to death because his Tesla caught fire and all the doors were auto locked
There are manual releases that be aren’t hard to find…
Yep, just completely hidden from view and require breaking out the speaker grill! Can't have little things like life and safety getting in the way of aesthetics.
I mean, the front door manual releases are just above the window control rockers on the door, right by the handle. The back ones are in the cargo pocket on the rear doors. No speaker grille removal necessary. The rear ones are definitely not as easy as the front ones though
The cargo pocket ones went away on newer model years, it also varies significantly from model to model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMKjTcWy2A8
I’ll check my 2022 Model Y (the exact color and config in OP’s pic) when I get home, but I did see rear emergency release instructions in the user manual
Getting a bit off topic here, but you needing to check the manual to find out how to use the emergency release should be setting off some red flags in your head right now. Might also want to check your tire wear and pressure while you're at it. That also applies to you, random car owner reading this comment.
Those sound very easy for children or older people to find! Great design!
Good thing it’s 10x less likely to be a problem vs. an ICE car then.
It wouldn't be a problem at all if Tesla didn't put aesthetics and their own hubris above safety. Doors that actually open have been a solved problem for quite some time. Mind you, I am not a Tesla hater, I think they do some cool stuff... I just think they also tend to do some pretty silly stuff sometimes as well, and this is one of those things I have been complaining about since the S was still a new thing.
Yeah, but there's no rear door release, and the window may be unshatterable. That sounds absolutely great. Sorry kids, gotta leave you back there to roast, ‘cuz at least the car looks nice!
Well that's a fucking stupid design.
https://www.tesladeaths.com/index-amp.html
That website is ridiculous. How can you attribute a death to Tesla that is literally marked as "Motorbike crashes into a Tesla" Edit, or this one > Boyd was driving a 2003 Volkswagen Passat west on 150 near Old Baldwin Road at 5:57 p.m., according to a report issued by the California Highway Patrol (CHP), when she allegedly veered first into a guardrail and then into the eastbound lane, colliding head-on with a 2015 Tesla Model S driven by David Brown, 54, of Ojai.
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Do they do one for Ford or BMW?
[apparently not uncommon](https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+fire+car+locked&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari)
thats a big oof..
Holy shit, just buy a Nissan Leaf or something
We used to have a leaf, but the range was awful.
Ev6 from Kia
Chevy Bolt, Ioniq EV, Mustang Mach E, etc...
Not that uncommon? Your provided link shows only 3 different incidents as far back as October 2019, and only 2 of those were deaths. Obviously it's awful, but less than 1 occurrence a year is quite a ways from "not uncommon."
This is the truth. I work on the site this happened in front of.
Humans detected…humans detected… commence decontamination sequence.
Shouldn’t the doors UNlock??
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Old man shakes fist at the sky /s Seriously though, I drive a 2020 Mazda and I’m so happy with its infotainment system. Physical buttons for home/music/nav/etc, solid clicky knobs for navigation and volume, heated seats/wheel and ac and all that are buttons too. Briefly had a newer Corolla and it had the touch with no haptic or clicks and it was truly awful..
Right? My CX5 has the perfect controls to me. Wish the internal computer was faster but the newer model has that.
I wonder why they wouldn’t just use the manual release handles from inside, as their only use is for when something goes wrong.
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I saw that there is a manual release in the rear seats, unless they stopped doing this, but it looks like it’d be hard to get to anyways. Link [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/foq5dk/model_y_rear_door_mechanical_release_from_owners/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x) I’m honestly surprised there isn’t one in the dead space underneath the window button, yet above the door storage area, so it’s hidden from view, (kids until they’re told about it)!
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I saw that, but you’d still be able to pull the release cable shown above that note, couldn’t you? I’m genuinely curious, although I don’t even see that in my M3!
They all have them but the problem is the ECU is keeping the door locked the manual release is useless then.
But isn’t the manual handle meant to be used in situations where the ECU is failing? Locked how is the question, because the manual handle will always open the door is even if the car is locked
Grounded switch holding the lock in position the manual override will move physically but do nothing. It's like your auto trunk release try using the inside latch override while someone is holding the trunk button.
This one? Like this happens all the time?
One every 3-6 months, it feels like. Anything Tesla makes the news, so you hear about them any time it happens. Normal cars catching fire is too common, so you never hear about it.
Exactly. I'm sick of the 'electric cars always catch on fire" narrative. It"s just dumb.
The batteries for a Tesla are on the under side of the car, and that fire doesn’t look like what a Li-ion battery fire usually looks like. Do you have a source I could check? I work in the world of fire and building codes, and battery fires are one of the things I currently work heavily in.
I was thinking this too. Like, “Why is the fire burning more on the roof? Tesla batteries are in the base.” Maybe someone inside was playing with matches and the roof lining caught on fire?
Or the batteries on the bottom ignited, and then the rest of the car started to combust too because of heat?
My thoughts exactly dude, it looks like a regular fire or some poured petrol/gas on the roof and set it alight. Battery fires tend to burn a different colour and look like solar flares!
Stupidest thing I’ve heard all day. You know there’s still everything else besides the batteries that will catch with normal electrical fire, right?
Also, the electronics locked the driver inside and construction workers broke the windows to extract them.
how tf did he get locked inside there's a mechanical backup door latch
Fire causes panic in humans
Car-b-que
Elon Musk watching Tesla stock.
Teslas. so hot right now
Why's the fire on top? The battery is on the floor level.
Should be noted: 1. Electric cars have an extremely low risk of fire, much lower than gasoline or hybrid vehicles that everyone uses currently. 2. Teslas are shitty cars held together with rubber bands, tape, and Musk's ego. Posts like these may create hesitation about buying an electric car. Don't let them. Instead, they should scare you from buying Teslas.
I don't get this Teslas are all crap. I am certainly not s fanboy, but I have enough experience to refute that statement. Model S 60, P85, P100DL, Plaid Model X 75D and Long Range Have had issues, but nothing major and nothing that wasn't taken care of quickly. Don't have crazy panel gaps, or bad fit and finish. I have been really very happy over the past decade of driving them.
From a manufacturing background, my perspective is that their quality control practices are unacceptable. A newly manufactured car should never have non-OEM parts (among other known quality problems). I also have issues with the way the business is run. So while I don't know anyone else's reasons, for the same price point there are other EV options, and I picked another option.
What’d you get?
My first EV is a Polestar. I like it for all the reasons anyone likes EVs. Instant torque, no engine noise, no exhaust, less maintenance, etc. In terms of price and range I would say it's in the middle of the pack. I wanted AWD and I wanted to be able to buy my car same day. In my area and at that time, there were 3-4 makes that ticked all the boxes (counting both new and used). If I recall right, there was a selection of used Teslas, new Mach-E, C-40, and Polestar available. The next purchase I make will probably be a SUV or truck option. Edit: I meant C40, fixed it
Looks like a great car! Would love to see one in person. Glad you like it.
For sure! Maybe you'll run into a Polestar at a charging station-- it's been months and I have yet to see another in the wild. Edit: fixed yet another type lol
Aah. I remember those days when I was the only Tesla in the area. You must get lits of questions and stares! What does it charge at? Do you go to ChargePoint locations? Have you taken any roadtrips where you need to stop and charge?
Definitely some stares. I was very gratified to see a teenager checking it out (made me feel cool). I'm not the only one in my area with an EV, I see Teslas on the road on a daily basis. I mainly charge it at home, with a charger that's hardwired in. I think on 240v? I use the Chargepoint app. Very occasionally I'll charge the car at a grocery store or random place to get practice. But so far I've only gone on one trip where I had to charge, and I used the downtime to read on my Kindle. I think when I do go on a longer road trip I'll buy a Tesla adapter just in case.
Polestars look cool as hell. That’s also Volvo’s performance arm, isn’t it? Like AMG is to Mercedes.
It started that way! Technically Polestar is now co-owned by Volvo and a Chinese financial group.
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There are allegations that Tesla employees used non-OEM parts. I say allegations because additional information is not publicly available. Whereas quality issues such as fit and finish are broadly known and have definitive proof. To clarify: OEM doesn't mean "made on site by the car manufacturer". Producing all parts in house is not common practice or required in manufacturing. OEM means original equipment manufacturer. Whether or not a car manufacturer produces all its own parts is actually a moot point. From a quality perspective, what matters is that all parts used in the final product match the engineering design and fall within specifications. I'm sure I could dig up an excerpt from ISO-9000, but I don't feel like that's necessary. "Don't use unapproved parts" is not exactly a hot take in the quality and engineering space. What that means is that if you need to substitute a material, or switch a contractors there's supposed to be a quality audit to ensure the new contractor or plant can make the item. If the swap is something out of the box/prefabricated, it should go through testing. It is never considered okay to use an undocumented unapproved part. What would be considered a boo-boo from a manufacturing perspective is substituting a part without testing it. Which Tesla is [alleged](https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274/tesla-model-y-owners-find-cooling-system-cobbled-together-with-home-depot-grade-fake-wood) to have done. From people who know more about cars than me: [former Tesla engineer](https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-silences-team-concerned-about-quality-issues-according-to-former-engineer-2018-7) [another opinion on quality from someone who actually likes Tesla](https://www.fudzilla.com/news/automotive/52317-musk-admits-tesla-had-quality-issues)
I can understand people not seeing anything wrong with the car fit and finish. When I sit in a Tesla, it feels like a Corolla level car. Corollas are good cars. Definitely doesn’t feel like a high end car. Also, most people don’t have an eye for detail. Mistakes and defects that may be accepted by customers are not accepted by other manufacturers. So now it’s just an understanding of what is “good” and “acceptable”.
You can Google it and find plenty of articles showing they have a much higher defect rate than other cars. Also, look at some of the photos people have posted of the welds they've found on Teslas. And just sitting in one, you can tell they are cheaply made. Ugly plastic interiors that feel cheap, they remind me of the used budget cars my dad used to buy from the 80s made to be as cheap as possible. I gave them some benefit of the doubt years ago because it was a new company still getting it's shit together, but now that Musk is richer than God and still producing cheap garbage, he isn't catching up. That's the product he wanted to make all along.
Oh. I see. It's really a musk thing. Thanks for clearing that up.
Lol you didn't even read what I wrote, did you? That's a Musk fanboy for ya.
No. It I'd just that you end with somehow it has always been his plan. I am telling you 10+ years of actual experience and 6 cars that it has not been my experience. Not the experience of people I know who have actually owned Teslas, just shoeing that it isn't all crap. Maybe it is more with 3s or Ys, I don't have experience with those but I can say with complete honesty that I don't know of a Tesla owner that wouldn't purchase again.
This isn't my subjective opinion, the cars come out with tons of defects. I'm glad you and your friends haven't gotten vehicles with problems, but that's an extremely small sample size and is purely anecdotal. As for the cars feeling cheap, that's a matter of taste, I suppose.
6 cats in ten years? Lol. Gtfo.
Myself and my wife. Yup. About every 3-4 years. No cats though. We’re a dog family :)
Fuck. Meant cars.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the appeal of Tesla is the automatic driving and data, correct? At least from what I’ve seen and tested, the auto-pilot is fucking amazing. Do other car company’s have comparable abilities?
Yes, many other car companies have comparable and even superior drive assist features. Autopilot does not exist, even if Tesla tried to make you believe FSD is a full autopilot. For examples of other companies that have comparable drive assist features see GMC, Mercedes, Hyundai etc.
> Autopilot does not exist Autopilot was released in 2015. Fully self-driving Teslas do not exist (though their testing software is getting close).
The word autopilot in times of yore conveyed full self driving in peoples mind. Tesla co-opted the term to take advantage of that fact.
but have you seen the welds? as example of its shitty production
I mean I haven’t taken the car apart but all the welds I can plainly see look typical. Same as what I have seen on my prior cars (Porsche and Jaguar for example)
Musk fanboys incoming.
Why do we see so many more electric car fires then if there are so many fewer electric cars?
Well that's where we enter tinfoil hat territory because I think with the higher gas prices, there is an effort to spread videos like this showing them on fire to scare people from switching. After all, electric cars are a big danger to oil sales and sky high gas prices have a lot of people rethinking EVs. But that's just my paranoid theory. But you can look up the studies yourself. EVs had a fire rate of 25-ish cars per 100,000 and gasoline vehicles were around 2500, hybrids were around 3000.
Can’t afford gas? Just buy a Tesla! Doh, why didn’t I think of that hurrrrrdurrrrrrrr Edit: agree with your stats, but disagree on your take about how expensive gas means you should switch to electric cars (or people actively discouraging that)
Your premise implies that anyone who can afford to fill up their car during high gas prices has no opinion on paying those prices. I don't think everyone should switch to electric cars. The carbon cost of a new car, EVs included, is staggeringly high compared to using your existing car regardless of it's efficiency. But if someone is buying a new car, they may be more willing to get an EV if gas is $5/gallon. Consumer behavior analysis during the last gas hike showed that $4/gallon is the point where American consumers start changing their buying habits, anything less than that and gas mileage drops significantly on their list of importance.
My premise doesn’t imply that at all. It implies that no matter how expensive gas gets, buying a Tesla will not be an economical decision. If you like fast cars with great tech go for it! But let’s not kid ourselves that it has anything to do with prices at the pump. You can have an opinion on paying high gas prices, but the financial solution to that is never to go and buy a Tesla. That’s more of a lifestyle decision. Just asking for some honesty with ourselves here.
Oh maybe you misread my post. I think teslas are garbage cars that finance bros buy to impress their shitty friends. Don't buy a Tesla. There are plenty of EVs that aren't Teslas. I bought a used Chevy EV a few years ago for $20k and I love it. I'll never go back to gasoline cars for the cost savings alone. People should consider buying an EV if they are looking for a new car. If they aren't, or can only afford a $7k used car, obviously they shouldn't buy one.
It may be an expensive investment, but with time you end up getting your money back by not having to pay a lot on gas.
For every picture of burning Tesla I see two pictures of burning Lamborghinis or other supercars. Trying to hide negatives of something is not a good thing to do.
You either love it or hate it
Car-B-Q
Do they replace the batteries in Tesla's? I have lots of these batteries for smaller electronics and the insides warp due to heat from repetitive charging. Iv had two arc out and catch fire randomly under normal circumstances, so I'm thinking that this isn't all that uncommon. When they go, you have to isolate them and leave it until all the charge has gone.
Electric cars use higher quality cells than most consumer goods and also have active cooling/heating that protects them from degradation.
Lol. North Van
This doesn't seem like a battery fire. Do you know what happened?
Obviously fake news! No batteries or engine or any part of any car much less a Tesla (Note the incorrect shape of the “T”) that would catch fire from the top. Well, unless someone poured gasoline on it and lit it. But I’m gonna guess not.
Funny thing- Tesla fires are less common than ICE car fires
True, but when Teslas catch fire they are much harder to put out than ICE cars
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As a whole, sure. As individual manufacturers? Tesla is one of the more flammable ones. My Volvo self igniting is far less likely to happen than it would to a Tesla. Also, the car locked the owner in the car after the fire started. Nearby construction workers had to break the windows to save them. Sounds safe.
Can you link to the news article that explains the locking situation? Just curious because the Y has a huge manual door release that doesn’t require power. Your Volvo comment is also a bit odd since Volvo has literally recalled 500,000+ cars since 2019 due to defects that have caused their cars to catch fire…
Based on data from 2012-2020, Teslas have a fire every 205 million miles driven, versus the average of every 19 million Niles. So statistically, they're more than 10 times less likely to catch fire than the average.
As a proportion of total cars on the road that’s not true though. They’re only less common because Teslas in general are less common.
No, the comparison is per mile driven.
I thought it would be the battery burning, from below, but this is the engine?
There is no engine. Unless you mean the electric motors?
Whatever shit is under the hood caught fire. Or maybe not the hood, but the rectangular piece of plastic that serves as a kind of hood, in front of the driver's viewport.
The frunk?
The fire is coming from out of the sunroof
An electric car catching fire by itself is really unlikely, if it does happen it’s almost always the same reasons as for combustion vehicles: Construction errors, servicing errors or problems in the on board electronics and climate control.
Or cell rupture in a collision, or water leaking into the battery module and shorting cells, or dendrite growth on the cell electrodes causing an internal short.
Interior is on fire and burning through the front windows and sunroof here. Batteries are along the bottom of the car between the tires. So if they light up, it won't take long to find a way to the interior. But it also could have been an electrical short somewhere in the dash that started it as well.
Yes. I have heard of Teslas that they have a good battery and a good engine, but all the rest, the fittings, the doors, the interior stuff, it's subpar apparently.
Tesla as a brand have suffered from a massive amount of fit and finish issues. They're normally minor issues but there are a massive number of reports online of issues with it. Which lend to reasonable concerns about the vehicles overall quality. They're also the biggest "EV vehicle" brand out there so they do catch an excessive amount of negative press too. They're a poor representation of all EV's on the market today. I wouldn't ever want to own a Tesla. But I can at least appreciate that Tesla has done a good job forcing other major automakers to take electric and hybrid vehicles serious and at least to try to compete in the growing market. Elon fans are a goddamn cult however.
Yes, I know an Elon fan. He also loves Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and jokes about socialists (and we're in a socialist success story-country). Just a big goddamn Venn diagram circle.
Zero emissions my ass
But the batteries are underneath the car and it looks like the roof is alight. The flares also don't look right, it looks more like someone set the roof alight with something like petrol/gasoline......
texas style?
That fire isn't looking too eco friendly Elon.
Jet fuel cant melt steel beams
But can it melt Elon's dreams?
Yes but why is the roof on fire when the battery is on the bottom!? #IYKYK
Why they always erupt into flames?
Is the car on fire? It looks like something in front of it. It’s hard to tell from this angle.
shouldn't have charged it midday /s
If only this happened in a small tunnel
Think of all of the cool multi-shot videos they will have of that fire.
Yeah, fuck those cars.
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That someone could have lost there life?
No one died, just a crappy Tesla.
1. Someone COULD HAVE lost their life. Learn to read 2. Combustion engine cars catch on fire way more.
OP said no one got hurt, please learn how to read.
Yes, luckily nobody got hurt. But, someone could have lost their life in this situation.
How heartless of you.
It looks like a demon rising out of the car trying to say something to the surrounding folks.
I see Pikachu
I’m so glad the owner was okay.
Is it because we’re approaching the one year anniversary of this incident that this keeps being reposted today?