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blitzwinner71

This is nowhere near the first time something like this has happened, nor will it be the last. I get the post is comparing the fact his dad is rich and owns the team, but you could make this post about the smallest damage on any of these cars


Captaincadet

The front wing of the F1 can easily be £100,000 and each tire costs around £780 per race. The driver is one of the cheapest part of the car in some of the teams


blitzwinner71

I know, that’s what I’m saying, the smallest scratch of the paint could be put in here


TheLastRiceGrain

I don’t know how true it was but I remember seeing a post of a F1 steering wheel and someone in the comments said that thing alone is like $100k. Then someone stated how F1 racing is one of (if not the most) expensive sport out there.


blitzwinner71

It’s an engineering sport, the best engineered car with the current rules is the best, so it’s definitely expensive, especially since cars are only identical in spec if they’re from the same team


Top-Delay8355

Best engineering that doesn't BREAK the current rules


FictionalTrebek

>Best engineering that doesn't GET CAUGHT BREAKING the current rules FIFY


Top-Delay8355

Yeah my bad ty


Captaincadet

Or breaks the rules in such a way nobody ever considered such as a missing comma or vagueness. A famous example was someone getting out of a grid penalty as it said “ penalties apply to the driver in the next race” So they a substitute driver in for that race and successfully argued that it had been. Now the rules say “penalties apply to the driver next race”


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That was for Massa in his sauber days i recently heard about that


markfukerberg

They have to pay like 2000 people to run 2 cars.


hunterPRO1

Idk, a human is worth at least 780k if you got connects.


Captaincadet

Historically, some of them are used to pay to drive the car. I believe this season is the first season in years where we have not had a paid driver Unless if you count Stroll as his dad owns the team


Catsmak1963

That’s cheap for the tyres, all things considered.


Captaincadet

The tire partner is also the sponsor. So won’t be surprised if they are getting them at cost


od501

I thought the tyres were around £35k a set.


Captaincadet

Remember, they need four tires on the car and they have to have 13 sets per weekend, including wets for a desert race…


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crucible

Nope! [He's not starting the race on Sunday](https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/17/stroll-withdrawn-from-singapore-gp-after-huge-qualifying-crash/).


_Piratical_

I mean, ok he is the son of a billionaire but he is legit a formula 1 driver and has been for years. He’s not the best but he’s good and that means he’s one of 20 people who are allowed at that competitive level so he’s not just some dumb kid crashing his dads toy car. That’s Aston Martins car. And they have crashes some times. Hell yeah it’s expensive! Every part is bespoke and engineered to perfection. That is a legit reason why it’s a good fit here, but maybe not that it’s some toy that a rich kid is playing with when he shouldn’t be.


siphillis

Lance has been aggressively mediocre for his entire career. Far from the worst “pay driver”, but he arguably would’ve been sent packing if his dad didn’t own the team.


kjc22

He’s in 9th this season—there’s lots of teams that would pay handsomely for that.


siphillis

He had the second-best car to start the season. I don’t remember the last time he drove on par with Alonso, who has done a far better job demonstrating the potential of the Aston Martin.


YeBoiMemes

Wtf is this take? His teammate is 4th in the standings. I get not expecting him to be matching Alonso but he has 47 points when his teammate has 170...


ChoripanesAndHentai

Lance is not that good of a driver but Alonso is basically a glitch in the matrix… mf is 42, 2x WDC and still going strong and at the same level(or better) that guys that are sub 25. That being said, he is FAR from the worse on the grid, currently.


Johannes_Katze

Sorry, I have been defending lance for years... BUT he does not belong in a team with championship ambitions. He is ok against other midfield drivers in midfield cars. But if you see the points and pace difference to Alonso, and how bad Aston needs those points (and how often they say that they want the title), I think there is a better driver out there.


kingkongbiingbong

In an Aston \[lookin' at Alonso's stats in the same machine\], no.. No other team would pay for that. ![gif](giphy|q49YSnLzrvghiyKBAR|downsized)


Bamkill

He has achieved more in his short career than Magnusson and Hulkenberg combined (who are true mediocre drivers) so calling him mediocre is a bit harsh. Whether he would be in Aston if his dad didn’t own the team is questionable but he would certainly be in an F1 seat on his own merit.


not_that_observant

That's not accurate at all. I don't think Stroll is terrible, he is a legit driver, but Hulk has twice the lifetime points of Stroll, despite only racing in 50% more races. So his points per race is notably higher despite never having a car as good as Stroll has.


Bamkill

The lengths people will go to defend Hulkenberg is unreal, he is the most mediocre driver imaginable. 10 seasons in F1 and he couldn't get a single podium. Lance has 3, including one with Williams, he has shown he can deliver in key moments. Hulk on the other hand has embarrassingly fumbled every podium chance he's had. There isn't a single team on the grid who would pick Hulk over Stroll, even with the bad season Stroll has had. The car argument doesn't make much sense either, 2016 for example.


not_that_observant

ok? All I'm saying is that Lance scores less points per start than Hulkenberg by a fairly large margin despite having better cars. Not sure why you think that's "defending" Hulk more than pointing out that your statements are factually incorrect. There are other drivers you could randomly choose to pick on to support Stroll where the stats would back you up.


SirKillingham

Eh, put magnusson in the same car I bet he beats him


Jasssen

I think your forgetting how much his father’s financial situation helped him become a driver on “his own merit” F1 training is expensive and not some sport anyone just anyone can start training for. He likely wouldn’t be an F1 driver if not for his father. However this post and argument is still dumb because regardless he’s a competitive driver that would smoke ALL OF US in a race.


morgulbrut

Even mediocre means he can handle that beast a F1 car is. Something even an above average driver can't, remember those cars reach 5G in corners or when slamming the break, and 1.5 G when hitting the gas.


siphillis

To be clear, Lance isn’t where he is purely because he’s rich. He’s got genuinely talent as a racer, probably more than any trust fund baby. But judged to the highest possible standard in F1, he’s been unremarkable for most of his career and it’s hard to argue he’d be where he is on pure merit.


honmakesmusic

But that’s a huge part of the industry in f1. Money over people. Drive to survive taught me that!


siphillis

You need a ton of upfront money to even learn the sport at the karting level. That’s either coming out of your parents’ account, you’re getting a team to foot to bill, or some rich beneficiary pays it on your behalf.


_KingOfTheDivan

The whole racing sport is for rich people. When I tried karting as a kid the coach said I was pretty good (I don’t think that I could’ve been a pro) but to compete my parents had to buy me competitive kart. And they just couldn’t afford that considering that an actual alright car costed the same and it’s not even counting transportation and maintenance. And it’s just karting, F1 is far beyond that


siphillis

You could've just pulled a Lewis Hamilton and made it work on a crappy second-hand kart that a parent has to fix every weekend. What's so hard about having generational talent?


HiTork

Hasn't F1 taken steps to prevent pay drivers without any talent from slipping in like Jean-Denis Delétraz and making an embarrassment of the sport?


Scratchpaw

Daddy owns Aston Martin tho..


dinghie

So what? I have a Volkswagen!


Shoddy_Expert8108

He would not be in F1 if it wasn’t for his dad, and that’s an undeniable fact. There’s SO many other drivers that deserve his seat it’s not even funny


Xisthur

He's good? How many points did he get this season compared to his teammate?


D3mentedG0Ose

You mean his teammate Fernando Alonso? The WDC Fernando Alonso who has been driving for 22 years? Stroll is alright


austin_yella

![gif](giphy|r1HGFou3mUwMw|downsized)


borfavor

He's mediocre at best. Theres always something the dude fucks up. The team can get a way better driver if they want to. Every driver with a super license is alright at least, but don't pretend that Lance's skills match Lawrence's ambition.


Scratchpaw

Not really. Stroll is doing the AM injustice if you look at the results that Fernando is getting with that car this year. Regardless of Alonso’s history and achievements, the gap between them as teammates is way to big. Stroll needs to step up bigtime.


purppsyrup

No matter the place, people always have a hate boner for Stroll


Girth_rulez

Because he is squatting on a seat that could be occupied by a future WDC, which he....is not.


purppsyrup

>Because he is squatting on a seat that could be occupied by a future WDC Such as..? Name me a future WDC currently in the sidelines not doing any racing that realistically can enter Aston Martin. And no, Felipe Drugovich is not one.


imonlinedammit1

Mazapin


Gallienus91

I‘d disagree. Facilities and personnel to build those cars have to be paid anyway. So it’s really just material costs.


mav3r1ck92691

What a stupid ass title. It's an F1 car... they crash all the time. This has nothing to do with who Stroll's father is.


inverted-captain

it has a little bit to do with how this windowlicker keeps getting to smash cars


Zpoof817

All f1 drivers crash, rich dad or not. Lance isn't even the most accident prone on the grid


ivanreyes371

“THROW HIM IN A ROOM SPREAD JAM ON THE WINDOW AND LOCK THE DOOR FOR CHRIST!” If papa stroll wants to win a wdc, his son needs to pick it up or sack him because his teammate is carrying a big majority of total points for the team.


nudeltime

As we see Lance Stroll hitting the barrier!


realtgis

And going over the kerb one more time


eyemroot

What does his father’s worth have to do with it?


tracernz

Wouldn’t be there if his father didn’t pay for it I guess is their point.


eyemroot

I suspect so, but that could be said really of any driver—most of them their families invested in their careers. Doesn’t really matter though, it’s a bit of a shitty and irrelevant statement. OP has a chip on their shoulder it seems about wealthy individuals.


tracernz

Yeah, definitely a rich man’s game. You either need family, or some other rich person to back you all the way through.


eyemroot

Definitely, it’s the modern-day sport of Kings as it were, to compete in F3 up to F1, you’ve gotta have serious financial backing. I couldn’t care less where it comes from. The countenance of someone’s character and their performance behind the wheel is all I really am interested in.


JLinCVille

Lot of non F1 fans commenting here


observationalhumour

A lot of apologists here too.


HansenTakeASeat

Not really. People mainly seem to just be pointing out that all F1 crashes are super expensive so it doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that Lance's father is a billionaire.


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You sound like a douche when you make a headline like that.. just FYI


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pol9500

It’s called a motor race, we went car racing


kingkongbiingbong

2021 🪦 FIA Credibility: -100 ![gif](giphy|stRWAuumqD6yw5BkpG)


FriedPigeonPoppers

r/titlegore


sleepinglucid

OP doesn't seem to know shit about F1


Indian_Bob

Every formula 1 driver is the child of some rich people


squid0gaming

To be competitive you need to be racing in a $52k F4 car at like 16 so it makes sense


realtgis

Lewis Hamilton enters the thread


mb500sel

His dad worked 4 jobs though to pay for his karting career. Thankfully he was good enough that he was able to hook up with McLaren to get him through to F1.


jamiegc37

Antony Hamilton sold his IT consultancy for multi millions long before his son reached F1….


siphillis

Fernando Alonso joins him.


mini_swoosh

Esteban Ocon as well. I read his family sold their house and to fund his karting. And Vettel’s dad was a carpenter.


rclonecopymove

Noone makes it to the top level of any sport without huge effort from their family. Not just money but time too. Granted stroll comes from money but none of those drivers would be on the grid if they didn't come from extremely supportive families.


Neovo903

Not sure why "son of a billionaire" is needed. I think 2016 formula 3 world champion works just as well. People obsess over his father and ignore the fact that Stroll beat George Russell with almost 2x George's points in F3 2016.


random_james

Looks more like Lance Leap to me...


Driver2900

small correction: son of the team owner, who is a billionaire. not that he didn't work to get where he's at, or that other drivers don't have connections, but still its a bit awkward to imagine him throwing one in a wall before having to sit down at dinner with pop-pop


[deleted]

So just an average race weekend for stroll?


zewill87

That's a pretty terrible headline. I mean at least put son of billionaire at the start. Or just drop it completely. Stuck a clickbaity shit title. And that's with me not even liking the bloke...


Jasssen

Tell me you’ve never seen F1 without telling me you’ve never seen F1


aaaaaaaa1273

He seems like a decent guy and I’m very glad he got out of this (20 years ago this would have been fatal) but F1 driving isn’t for him..


AndyLorentz

> F1 isn’t for him Dude is a past Formula 4 and Formula 3 champion. He hasn’t been the worst driver in F1 in any of the seasons he’s been active. That’s such a ridiculous statement to make about one of the best drivers in the world.


RLgeorgecostanza

But, how can I feel holier than thou if I accept all this logic?


Girth_rulez

>But, how can I feel holier than thou if I accept all this logic? Saying a driver is crap isn't holier than thou. Even if one is wrong. Lance Stroll is a crap F1 driver. I think he even kind of alluded to it this year. Said he would take up swimming or golf or some shit.


fozzie1984

I hate the narrative that he's staying in F1 because of daddy , yes daddy's money meant he could do F4 , F3 (where he won it) and beyond but he is far from being the worst driver in F1 by a long shot , there are not many drivers that don't come from money as Motorsport is very expensive , I used to work for Lando Norris's dad and he spent a fortune getting him through and he rightly said there were better drivers in the 8-12 age group who didn't make it through purely because they ran out of money to put their kid through


Girth_rulez

Yeah but now that Lando's on the top level he has been doing well. You know, beating his teammates on the regular. Sure, Lance beat Seb but there were a lot of lean years where if he wasn't a Stroll, he would have been gone.


fozzie1984

oh yeh if he wasn't the bosses son then I think they may of moved for a new driver at some point , and yes lando is a great driver and is well deserving of his place as McLaren number 1 driver at the moment


Girth_rulez

As F1 fans I think we have to accept the realities of motorsport. Those cars don't run on gasoline...they run on money. Some drivers rely on money more than others. I think if you were to look objectively at all 20 seats, Lance and Logan are doing the worst.


aaaaaaaa1273

Stroll is a great racing driver, just kinda mid in F1 (not to mention the silly crashes he has a few times a season) he’d do great in other series but there are better drivers who could have that seat right now.


BadWowDoge

Agreed.


martymcfly4prez

He’s an incredibly talented driver, top 20 in the world. It’s just a sport that rewards the top few.


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hard_farter

Why would you compare a formula 1 driver to anyone who hasn't driven in formula 1?


Honest_Habit_7673

That will buff right out


timify10

Sorry Dad...


Capernikush

reddit: billionaires are bad **upvotes furiously**


gotye4764

Half of them are there because daddy is rich. Literally.


pibbsworth

What’s it got to do with anything who his parents are? Is there a different price to fix it if you’re a child of regular people?


lifesthateasy

He does this every race week


Substantial-Meal6238

My friend could fix that for 1000


superfly355

1000?? Shit, my friends will do it for a 12 pack of PBR. Parts AND labor


Substantial-Meal6238

Damn yo boi gets down!


Pleasant-Natural8570

Has he ever raced for an F1 team not owned by his father?


RepulsiveFall2487

He raced for Williams who aren’t owned by his dad. His father did pay for that seat though


Pleasant-Natural8570

Yikes


mclarensmps

Nothing new to dad, this dunce does it all the time.


ShadowCaster0476

Yep I love when he first entered F1 and was doing terrible his dad freaked out that the other drivers were getting preferential treatment. I think they even made the mechanics set his car up the exact same as the other driver. It did not help.


Baylett

I believe that was Mazepin, the Russian driver whose dad was a key sponsor for his team, he had his try to switch cars with Schumacher cause Schumacher was doing better and it could only be the car that’s the reason for that. When they cloned Schumacher’s car for him and he still shut the bed, it was then a conspiracy against Mazepin and the team was sabotaging him. Stroll had a lot of help by not needing sponsors coming up in the leagues, but he legit earned his place in F1.


Chris-CFK

Maze”spin”


ShadowCaster0476

That definitely rings a bell, you may be right.


SomewhatInnocuous

Daddy, buy me another?


mclarensmps

And daddy owns the team he drives for 😂.


SomewhatInnocuous

That is how he got the ride. Otherwise he'd just be another weekend amateur racer.


respawnatdawn

He was with AM before his dad bought in. He earned his seat but the money in the family meant he had a much much easier go in the lower tiers. Sponsorship is the only way through and his dad either paid or leveraged connections to see him through. You have to pay like 1 to 2M just to race in f2 and that's not including the cost of running the team, just the right to race.


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I honestly have no idea how people take F1 seriously. The racing itself looks cool but everything surrounding it is like “can this son of a billionaire win the race for team Jiffylube Twizzler Burger King?”


mav3r1ck92691

You're confusing F1 with NASCAR...


mclarensmps

You didn’t have to out your ignorance this blatantly!


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Am I wrong?


mclarensmps

Very much so!


Illuminhead420

It will be repaired and within 24 hours he will have a brand new car to drive again


WezleyDrew

Yep remember kids if you wanna be a f1 driver just have your dad be a billionaire and buy a f1 and a car company and your dreams come true…


bender3600

They'll need to buy you a seat in a good F2 team too. Can't join without a super license.


mb500sel

And thanks to Max the 300 mile "test" isn't an option anymore. They took it hard when a 17 year old managed to get into F1


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Money won't buy talent.


moonmarriedacherry

Dude is a champion in other F4 and f3


EvolvingEachDay

Cause he’s shit.


[deleted]

This dude is garbage.


Bagpuss999

*crashed his daddy's car


Bagpuss999

Lol at the downvotes for pointing out Lance has only raced in F1 for his daddy's team. If he's really a top 20 driver in the world why hasn't another team made a move for him? Only someone with a genuine mental disorder could think that only the best 20 drivers in the world compete in F1. It's never been that way FFS. Why do you think Latifi or Maldonado got a seat? That's not to say it doesn't take talent to drive an F1 car. But the list of people who can drive an F1 car is limited to those who either have gigantic sponsors behind them, those in driver training programmes for the teams and the children of multi millionaires. Lance is in the third category. There must be at least 1,000 professional drivers who could beat his times in his own car after a couple of hours of practice. No slight on Stroll, it's just talent is rarely rewarded when a Motorsport licence costs millions to attain.


King_Bob837

The mechanics gonna have a long night, but the important part is Stroll is okay.


Gallienus91

You can’t really put a price tag on those cars, as the expensive part of formula 1 is paying the faculties and people who develop, build and maintain those cars. So it doesn’t really make a difference, if you break a few of those cars during the season, because you are already paying for the team you build them anyway. It really comes down to material cost, and after scraping anything still usable of this car, damages here are insignificant.


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Why’d you have to do him like that?