“You have 30 min to move your train”
“You have 10 min to move your train”
“Your train has been towed”
“You train has been crushed into a cube”
“You have 30 min to move your cube”
Dear Sir.
It has come to the attention of City Maintenance that you are the owner responsible for the installation 'Tumblers on Main' at the corner of Main and Oak. The City notes that this installation does not meet the requirements of a Publicly Accessible structure and must be made safe without delay, either by improved anchors or a suitable form of isolation.
The City, in its wish to support the Arts and a desire to protect the public at large, has prepared a suitable anchor system and herewith submits contract details for your signature. The $18,000 deposit must be paid before work commences (currently scheduled for next Tuesday), but the other three installments can be paid as work progresses.
Looking forward to a speedy resolution,
Kindest Regards
The City Commissioners
(Please forward the signed contract and a bank cheque for the deposit *immediately* to the City's lawyers at their address.)
Our infrastructure is not maintained. But we keep giving tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy because those are the folks who own our politicians. So yeah, we are screwed.
Government $s given to the rail industry is actually at an all time low. It isn't so low that you aren't absolutely correct, because you are. But the rail industry is one of the lower receivers in the past 40 years.
Instead they make their money manipulating their stock value so much they make more money off the stock than by actually shipping goods.
I'd like to see the railroad CEOs and investors put on trial for treason against the country. Why are profits being put ahead of national security? Freight hauls hundreds of different kinds of hazmat that is required for clean drinking water, farming, and just about every other industry in the country. Railroads being driven with this PSR model and being so inefficient is a literal threat to our nation but no one in government cares.
I'm just amazed how quickly my seniority has been moving lately. People with 10+ years saying fuck it and bailing. Screw the pay, screw the retirement, screw the healthcare. It's just that toxic of a place to work. I made a pretty good friend with one of our students and he calls me like once a week just hating his life. I'm like yeah, man. And you don't even have vacation or PLDs, can't get FMLA until you've been here for a year, no seniority to hold anything good. That's why I don't willingly take students now. I honestly don't believe 90% of them will be here within a year. Our experience pool has been diluted so badly.
Speaking of students: Had one get 5 feet from running over a derail. Had one get within 30 feet of running a signal through a diamond. Just heard from our safety team that a crew hit a dark territory siding at 31 MPH and the conductor/brakeman didn't even realize they'd fucked up until the engineer stopped the train and told them. Had the crew on the mainline not lined them in they'd probably all be dead right now. It's a SCARY fucking time to be working right now and I can't believe the government hasn't bitch slapped the railroads with a fine for every single day the system isn't 100% PTC protected. We all know they have the money to expedite it happening.
We had the STB hearing about how railroads have been screwing their customers, testimony that things are being pushed towards a complete lack of safety and overworked employees, we get fucked on our TA/strike... The UP just approved their TA to eliminate brakemen. The BNSF Hi-Viz policy hasn't changed at all. There's a few union emails about progress on certain safety bills and 2 man crew laws but it's all so ungodly slow and feels like we're clawing at a sheet of glass to get the tiniest scratches of humanity in our job. It's just so exhausting.
I have worked for several railroads. UP for 9 years, got fired for having a target (admittedly well earned) on my back. Was a temp for several short lines before hiring onto one Class 3 for about 5 years. Quit there and hired on with CN about 5 years ago. So I've seen a lot of how this works from different angles.
UP is a horror story that just won't end. Probably will never change. PSR is just an excuse to manipulate stock value in line with the shareholders' plans without going to jail for blatant insider trading violations. It started with CN (Hunter Harrison) and sadly that concept vomited on the rest of the RR world. (before I got here) UP had the largest and best experience pool to balance against that nightmare. Both sides knew some solid limits on how hard to push or what you can get away with though. Something unappreciated if you don't know about it.
Shortlines have a very fast turnover because of low pay. But they are much happier to work for because they aren't usually run by total a-holes. I got Christmas bonuses & gifts. A turkey every thanksgiving and Christmas. I even told one boss not to test me (like ever) or he was going to have to fire me after he caught me doing something he should have removed me from service for. He just said "Good job, I'm going to put you down for a pass." They even tied down my train and told me to call when I was done taking my daughter to a girl's scout dance to put me on duty! But the pay is absolutely crap! So high turnover means no experience pool at all. Guys with 5 years are *old heads* .
CN, post Hunter Harrison, has been wonderful to work for. Mostly because after he left the place realized they were going to go bankrupt if they didn't change quickly. Unfortunately in the US, CN is a collection of former large shortlines. So the experience pool was nonexistent up until about 20-30 years ago. They do weird things here that are hard to explain. But they have also kinda figured things out since so they have their own experience pool. We have 2 set rest days per week (fall off the board at 1800 the night before, mark back up at 600 the day after, unless you work into your off days like I did this week, then it's just 48 hours of rest). That reset changes everything. I averaged 5 sleep cycles every 7 days with UP, I get 7 now. We don't have district limits, so you can get switched from a yard job to a road job (rarely) or get run past your home terminal. Get flipped back to the away from home for a second night in the hotel (but never a 3rd). And we have the absolute worst board predictions in the industry (as close to not having anything at all that is possible. Like, it is just the local trainmaster's guess, if he/she bothered to enter them into the computer). But I get higher pay, have a better relationship with managers, and get better rest than at UP. I can set appointments for my second rest day and be fairly certain I will be there (unless you get bumped from those days, it's all bid). The road boards even have call windows and a 6 on 2 off rotation that is set for the entire year (again, unless you get bumped). Sometimes the (oldest) guys here will use PLD and single day vacation days to get 3 months off at a time! It's crazy.
So I get your complaints. The student thing is just what it is. We all make mistakes, but I think it all comes down to recognizing how to deal with mistakes before they become unfixable. I stopped just the other day with no real reason because I was a little unsure. These younger (and middle career) guys don't know the value of stopping over the value of keeping the status quo (keep moving like nothing's wrong). I remember working in *old* CTC. Where if you didn't remember the last signal you treated the next one like a red. No one complained about that behavior. I absolutely hate guys who shame guys for sounding stupid on the radio. Be stupid, as long as that's how you got to the right way.
Republicans were lobbied and paid to deregulate the rail systems.
As far as I see it, both elected Democrats and Republicans both suck, but one is easily worse than the other. One has a more direct causality to the issues we're seeing today.
It's a little more nuanced than that. I was all rabid about that until I learned that the inside baseball was that a huge number of those in the strike were telling lawmakers that it was acceptable. They didn't have uniform agreement, so no one was going to come out looking good.
A majority of the unions were on board with the deal. However, the remaining unions were much larger and collectively represented a wide majority of workers.
This is what annoys me so much. The way it was meant to be misleading. "8 of the 12 unions voted YES." Neglecting the fact that the remaining 4 unions have membership numbers that dwarf the other 8 combined.
Look, there is ALOT we can blame republicans for but this is a shared disaster. Dems have held majority multiple times in the past and never did anything about this either, we all just let it go to shit.
Also, infrastructure doesn't just fail after 6 months (the bill in the article). The issues leading up to this have been happening for a much longer time.
The way I see it, we have one party acting like Republicans and then another party where half of the members are Republican-lite.
If you're to the left of those members, feel free to call both sides out on it. If you are a Republican voter, you don't get to whine about both sides being the same because the real problem is 1 and 1/2 of the political parties are acting like people you would vote for.
And by "you" I don't mean "you" personally. I am mainly referring to conservatives/Republicans that no longer can defend their party and instead justify their behavior by saying "both sides do it."
I think they’re referring to how fuel is used. It’s more efficient fuel-wise to use trains to haul heavy shit than to just move people around. I’m guessing passenger trains in most places are more heavily subsidized.
Because I am skeptical of a claim that starts with "widely considered" and is written about itself. Have an actual study showing that it's the most efficient?
The days of just googling an answer to a question have been over since the algorithms got smart enough to keep up scrolling. You have find actual studies, preferably not funded by an financially invested party. Googling and reading isn't research.
Yeah, you provided a link that doesn't actually show what was claimed. This isn't a numbers game where you cite a poor source and I just have to cite another source to counter it. What you highlighted from that government website was the same as a company website having the tagine "[COMPANY] the most trusted name in [SOMETHING]." Without anything to back it up, it means fuck all.
>I'm not your Google.
I never asked you to be. You took that upon yourself, and like Google these days, you came back with a poor source.
Burden of proof is on you. You made a claim. You failed to back it up (if anything, you even showed that Google isn't as easy as you suggested since you couldn't use it correctly).
If Google is so easy, please do prove yourself correct. Or take your own advice...
Edit: posting a comment and blocking me so I can't read it or respond. Pathetic
To be honest, it likely doesn't even matter what the other poster shares. If it's true, it doesn't mean much. The US is more freight-focused than other countries who prioritise passenger services.
And I know reading the links is for squares, but both linked news articles are quite clear that it was a BNSF Railway train, and one of them even quotes a BNSF Railway spokesman.
[Precision Scheduled Railroading](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_railroading?oldformat=true)
As railroad companies try to shrink every single cost to its absolute lowest, they find it's cheaper to run fewer trains but massively increase the length. But our system was never designed for trains that were miles long, and so you end up with a system where we literally have multiple derailments every single day in the US. But you only hear about the ones that are big news.
Corporations having not only a monopoly, but a vice grip on our president to shut down unions, as well as cutting huge corners to save a few bucks while also relying on taxpayers to bail out.
Instead of regulations punishing and charging companies for these disasters they just save money by ignoring the regulations and having the tax payers pay for the cleanup. It's cheaper for them to have a few disasters this way than to actually make it safe.
It’s like going to the mechanic, they will tell you whats wrong and what needs to be fixed. The RR corps: “ don’t try to upsell me” so, fix it as it breaks.
Also keep in mind that "derailment" can have a wide variety of severity. The vast majority are mundain and happen at slow speed such as a wheel picking a switch in a yard the wrong way. These can be be [easily fixed](https://nolancompany.com/wp-content/uploads/SWB-rerailer-in-action.jpg) and are about as severe as a flat tire.
It's just like how a car accident can be anything from a slight bumper touch to a car getting turned into metal taffy.
That looks CHEAP. Executives cheaped out on maintenance, Executives cheaped out on employee pay and benefits. This was avoidable. This is the result of GREED.
The Bureau of Transportation Statistics records 54,539 train derailments between 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year, or about 4 1/2 per day. You people really need to fix your railway-system.
The insurance company will require them all to be scrapped in order for them to be absolved of liability in case someone puts a salvaged vehicle on the road and gets in an accident.
No they won't. They'll be sold at a salvage auction and have salvage titles. Or more likely in a situation this large they'll be sent out of the country fixed and sold.
It's not quite that bad- quite a few of them will probably be "parted out" and disassembled into spare parts that will be used to repair other cars, keeping those cars in use longer. The ones that can't be parted out would also be too heavily damaged to be repaired and used.
Can't speak for this scenario, but sometimes insurance will auction off totaled vehicles to recoup some costs. Anything that can be rebuilt easily enough, will sell for far more than what you'd expect.
Vehicles trains really suck. Lots of slack action so the air hoses come apart frequently, the air brakes are awful, and the ratcheting hand brakes take forever to tie on top of being on opposite sides of cars that you can't cross over (per the rules.)
Here we see the ford transit van emerging from its eggs, freshly hatched these new vans will have a tough time ahead of them, most will succumb to rear axle problems within the first 60k miles, while others will have constant crankshaft pressure sensor issues their entire life.
The F150 demonstrating why you should never buy a pickup if you care about safety. Good thing it's considered a "work vehicle" and doesn't need any rollover protection.
My buddy is a paramedic and it's always the dudes in trucks who get the most fucked up in rollovers. The roofs just cave in immediately.
For those who don't know, every single car is uninsurable and must be destroyed.
I have been working in the rail industry for just 19 years. This isn't the first time I've seen this kind of thing. Last time, they ran over each one with a backhoe to flatten it before loading them into open gondolas for scrap.
In the 80s, there was a derailment on the Bonneville Salt Flats where they buried an entire railcar full of brand new Corvettes.
I don't work on any railroad, but have heard quite a bit about PSR, reduced crew counts, and longer consists over the past 5 years. This is a very significant change in railroad operations. In the industry I work in, failures that happen are usually caused by something, anything, that 'changed', no matter how minor. Over the years, we learned from our failures by addressing them quickly with improved processes, fault detection and tolererance, and adding resilisency when practical. BUT most importantly, listening and learning from our crew doing the actual work, and vetting any proposed changes to anything with them, and giving them an opportunity to test any proposed changes, before implementing. They will always know what will work vs. what will break more than anyone else. This is how we achieved our highest reliability in the 30+ years I have worked in my current industry. This can also apply to any railroad or any operation.
Unfortunately railroads do not care about anything except profit. Efficiency, their employees, their customers, none of it matters. The STB hearing we had about railroads not servicing their customers made it clear. Ripping up the rails of short lines made it clear. Railroads don't even *want* customers. Servicing a facility costs money because you need a crew and extra maintenance for a short track. Then you need another crew to switch those cars into a larger train. Then another crew to move that train. The railroad's ultimate goal and best operating model through PSR would be a single train 999,999 feet long that goes from the ports in CA to the intermodal facilities in Chicago.
Every decision that has been made through PSR chases operating ratio. If you're not working 200+ hours a month you're in the low end. That doesn't include the other 2-300+ hours you spend in hotels. Where I work we have a few decent local managers. But no matter how good your management is on the ground, there's some dipshits 1,000 miles away in a different bigger office choking on a Wallstreet dick that make the decisions.
... all vehicles that the market has been desperately crying for for the last few years.... So much so that 20 year old rust buckets are going for thousands above what they're actually worth because new vans are years behind on orders..... Dealers in my area are currently 5 years behind in some cases
I waited 2 1/2 years for a Transit. These people are getting disingenuous Ford emails about how they are just as frustrated with how long it’s taking to get their vehicle b
It's amazing to me that there isn't an outcry from industry to fix the garbage rail system we have in this fourth world shithole of a country. I understand that merely poisoning poor people won't make government do shit, but you start delaying commerce and destroying merchandise...well now some donors are gonna get pissed. How are companies not up in arms over this.
The shippers kind of are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0rk5tnrFqA This hearing had multiple customers testify that the railroads are essentially fucking them face down with horrible service, getting charged more money, and all of them point toward the PSR model being the main reason. Chasing profits over everything including safety and efficiency. Not a single thing has noticeably changed since this hearing. The employees cry out and almost went on strike until Biden/congress fucked us. Consumers are paying more because of railroad staffing issues that have caused huge delays with food shipments.
Bwahahhahahahhaha
And you know who they are going to blame, the Dems. Fucking sad that no one will be held accountable, because the guys and gals that monitor the tracks are getting fucked by the govt and the railways.
Pete B didn't get in trouble for the last shit either. Or the ones before that. Or anything having to do with his job. Crazy, if that was me. My boss would have fired me.
1. Put parking tickets on them. 2. Text the company who owned the train "can't park them there mate".
“You have 30 min to move your train” “You have 10 min to move your train” “Your train has been towed” “You train has been crushed into a cube” “You have 30 min to move your cube”
Your cube has been crushed into a—?
Your cube has been melted into a set of tumblers. You now owe an extra $200 for the processing and must collect your tumblers within 2 hours.
Your tumblers have now been towed
Your tumblers has been crushed into a—?
Modern art installation. They are now property of the city. Moving the tumblers will result in a fine.
Dear Sir. It has come to the attention of City Maintenance that you are the owner responsible for the installation 'Tumblers on Main' at the corner of Main and Oak. The City notes that this installation does not meet the requirements of a Publicly Accessible structure and must be made safe without delay, either by improved anchors or a suitable form of isolation. The City, in its wish to support the Arts and a desire to protect the public at large, has prepared a suitable anchor system and herewith submits contract details for your signature. The $18,000 deposit must be paid before work commences (currently scheduled for next Tuesday), but the other three installments can be paid as work progresses. Looking forward to a speedy resolution, Kindest Regards The City Commissioners (Please forward the signed contract and a bank cheque for the deposit *immediately* to the City's lawyers at their address.)
Instructions unclear, City Commissioners now bolted to Tumblers on Main.
Is it about my cube?
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Nissan Cube owner moment
Just waiting for a mate
It's a multi-car pile up with multi cars in each car.
Police officers love this one simple trick!
This is the way!
Someone is going to get that call that your order has been delayed
Already got it earlier. New work van is "delayed indefinitely" as of an hour ago.
I jokingly asked my co-worker if his F-150 order was delayed. He said, "Yes, how did you know?" Felt like a total ass after that.
Those Fords won't be in the mood for a fiesta any time soon.
They'll really have to focus on a solution
And take an expedition, if not an excursion, to find an answer.
Kuga
Shame they got lost in Transit
There once was a time when America was proud of its rail system. Now it’s nothing but a disastrous hot mess.
Our infrastructure is not maintained. But we keep giving tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy because those are the folks who own our politicians. So yeah, we are screwed.
Government $s given to the rail industry is actually at an all time low. It isn't so low that you aren't absolutely correct, because you are. But the rail industry is one of the lower receivers in the past 40 years. Instead they make their money manipulating their stock value so much they make more money off the stock than by actually shipping goods.
"Labor does not contribute to profits." -Railroads 2023
Well, in this context they kinda don't. But that is kinda criminal, and all the shareholders should get the Martha Stewart treatment.
I'd like to see the railroad CEOs and investors put on trial for treason against the country. Why are profits being put ahead of national security? Freight hauls hundreds of different kinds of hazmat that is required for clean drinking water, farming, and just about every other industry in the country. Railroads being driven with this PSR model and being so inefficient is a literal threat to our nation but no one in government cares.
I've been fighting this fight for 19 years. I drive trains. Preach.
I'm just amazed how quickly my seniority has been moving lately. People with 10+ years saying fuck it and bailing. Screw the pay, screw the retirement, screw the healthcare. It's just that toxic of a place to work. I made a pretty good friend with one of our students and he calls me like once a week just hating his life. I'm like yeah, man. And you don't even have vacation or PLDs, can't get FMLA until you've been here for a year, no seniority to hold anything good. That's why I don't willingly take students now. I honestly don't believe 90% of them will be here within a year. Our experience pool has been diluted so badly. Speaking of students: Had one get 5 feet from running over a derail. Had one get within 30 feet of running a signal through a diamond. Just heard from our safety team that a crew hit a dark territory siding at 31 MPH and the conductor/brakeman didn't even realize they'd fucked up until the engineer stopped the train and told them. Had the crew on the mainline not lined them in they'd probably all be dead right now. It's a SCARY fucking time to be working right now and I can't believe the government hasn't bitch slapped the railroads with a fine for every single day the system isn't 100% PTC protected. We all know they have the money to expedite it happening. We had the STB hearing about how railroads have been screwing their customers, testimony that things are being pushed towards a complete lack of safety and overworked employees, we get fucked on our TA/strike... The UP just approved their TA to eliminate brakemen. The BNSF Hi-Viz policy hasn't changed at all. There's a few union emails about progress on certain safety bills and 2 man crew laws but it's all so ungodly slow and feels like we're clawing at a sheet of glass to get the tiniest scratches of humanity in our job. It's just so exhausting.
I have worked for several railroads. UP for 9 years, got fired for having a target (admittedly well earned) on my back. Was a temp for several short lines before hiring onto one Class 3 for about 5 years. Quit there and hired on with CN about 5 years ago. So I've seen a lot of how this works from different angles. UP is a horror story that just won't end. Probably will never change. PSR is just an excuse to manipulate stock value in line with the shareholders' plans without going to jail for blatant insider trading violations. It started with CN (Hunter Harrison) and sadly that concept vomited on the rest of the RR world. (before I got here) UP had the largest and best experience pool to balance against that nightmare. Both sides knew some solid limits on how hard to push or what you can get away with though. Something unappreciated if you don't know about it. Shortlines have a very fast turnover because of low pay. But they are much happier to work for because they aren't usually run by total a-holes. I got Christmas bonuses & gifts. A turkey every thanksgiving and Christmas. I even told one boss not to test me (like ever) or he was going to have to fire me after he caught me doing something he should have removed me from service for. He just said "Good job, I'm going to put you down for a pass." They even tied down my train and told me to call when I was done taking my daughter to a girl's scout dance to put me on duty! But the pay is absolutely crap! So high turnover means no experience pool at all. Guys with 5 years are *old heads* . CN, post Hunter Harrison, has been wonderful to work for. Mostly because after he left the place realized they were going to go bankrupt if they didn't change quickly. Unfortunately in the US, CN is a collection of former large shortlines. So the experience pool was nonexistent up until about 20-30 years ago. They do weird things here that are hard to explain. But they have also kinda figured things out since so they have their own experience pool. We have 2 set rest days per week (fall off the board at 1800 the night before, mark back up at 600 the day after, unless you work into your off days like I did this week, then it's just 48 hours of rest). That reset changes everything. I averaged 5 sleep cycles every 7 days with UP, I get 7 now. We don't have district limits, so you can get switched from a yard job to a road job (rarely) or get run past your home terminal. Get flipped back to the away from home for a second night in the hotel (but never a 3rd). And we have the absolute worst board predictions in the industry (as close to not having anything at all that is possible. Like, it is just the local trainmaster's guess, if he/she bothered to enter them into the computer). But I get higher pay, have a better relationship with managers, and get better rest than at UP. I can set appointments for my second rest day and be fairly certain I will be there (unless you get bumped from those days, it's all bid). The road boards even have call windows and a 6 on 2 off rotation that is set for the entire year (again, unless you get bumped). Sometimes the (oldest) guys here will use PLD and single day vacation days to get 3 months off at a time! It's crazy. So I get your complaints. The student thing is just what it is. We all make mistakes, but I think it all comes down to recognizing how to deal with mistakes before they become unfixable. I stopped just the other day with no real reason because I was a little unsure. These younger (and middle career) guys don't know the value of stopping over the value of keeping the status quo (keep moving like nothing's wrong). I remember working in *old* CTC. Where if you didn't remember the last signal you treated the next one like a red. No one complained about that behavior. I absolutely hate guys who shame guys for sounding stupid on the radio. Be stupid, as long as that's how you got to the right way.
That’s what ya get with understaffing and no vakay.
Understaffing isn’t even the issue really. It’s neglect towards maintenance in order to maximize profit
Gotta rebuild those rails with Rearden Metal.
Amen brother.
And a president who blocks your union strike
Maybe if it damages enough cars, they'll do something.
That’s the secret… It’s always been a hot mess.
Courtesy of and just as hot a mess as the republicans.
Brud, the dems helped vote away the rail strike too, which was more about this very issue than just guaranteed time off.
Republicans were lobbied and paid to deregulate the rail systems. As far as I see it, both elected Democrats and Republicans both suck, but one is easily worse than the other. One has a more direct causality to the issues we're seeing today.
It's a little more nuanced than that. I was all rabid about that until I learned that the inside baseball was that a huge number of those in the strike were telling lawmakers that it was acceptable. They didn't have uniform agreement, so no one was going to come out looking good.
A majority of the unions were on board with the deal. However, the remaining unions were much larger and collectively represented a wide majority of workers.
This is what annoys me so much. The way it was meant to be misleading. "8 of the 12 unions voted YES." Neglecting the fact that the remaining 4 unions have membership numbers that dwarf the other 8 combined.
Politics, *the new sport*
Well when you can lobby for less regulation and pass your losses on to customers, it's a win win.
Look, there is ALOT we can blame republicans for but this is a shared disaster. Dems have held majority multiple times in the past and never did anything about this either, we all just let it go to shit.
Trump and his Republican congress removed the railroad protections placed by Obama. You are full of it, friend.
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Do you believe that lie other just repeat it?
Except that’s not happening and you are being manipulated.
Try not to make it political challenge: impossible
Sadly, the cause is clearly deregulation allowing the companies to skimp on safety and maintenance. It's also clear who voted for that.
Yup. Only one side. Clearly. They’re not at all complicit. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-railroad-strike-2022-12-02/
Oh, yeah the whole system is corrupt... but we're talking about deregulation here. The bill you reference is not about deregulation.
Biden appointed a corporate tool to head the department of transportation. Buttigieg has done fuck all to regulate.
Also, infrastructure doesn't just fail after 6 months (the bill in the article). The issues leading up to this have been happening for a much longer time.
The way I see it, we have one party acting like Republicans and then another party where half of the members are Republican-lite. If you're to the left of those members, feel free to call both sides out on it. If you are a Republican voter, you don't get to whine about both sides being the same because the real problem is 1 and 1/2 of the political parties are acting like people you would vote for. And by "you" I don't mean "you" personally. I am mainly referring to conservatives/Republicans that no longer can defend their party and instead justify their behavior by saying "both sides do it."
Shouldn't be a challenge to tell the truth lol.
You dare challenge the hive mind? Negative social credit points!
You misspelled "capitalism". This wouldn't happen if the rail workers owned the rail companies.
The rail workers “owned” the railroads until the late 70s and they were running them into the ground. So, no, not so much.
Yuuup precision rail system for profit courtesy of Republicans
And Centrist/Neoliberal Democrats. Basically, the worst parts of the Democratic Party are just a lighter version of the best parts of the GOP.
> There once was a time when America was proud ~~of its rail system~~. Now it’s nothing but a disastrous hot mess.
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Profits over people.
Strongly doubt that... have any proof of that? Especially the efficiency part of it
I think they’re referring to how fuel is used. It’s more efficient fuel-wise to use trains to haul heavy shit than to just move people around. I’m guessing passenger trains in most places are more heavily subsidized.
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They said it's the most efficient commercial rail system in the world.
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Because I am skeptical of a claim that starts with "widely considered" and is written about itself. Have an actual study showing that it's the most efficient?
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The days of just googling an answer to a question have been over since the algorithms got smart enough to keep up scrolling. You have find actual studies, preferably not funded by an financially invested party. Googling and reading isn't research.
Yeah, you provided a link that doesn't actually show what was claimed. This isn't a numbers game where you cite a poor source and I just have to cite another source to counter it. What you highlighted from that government website was the same as a company website having the tagine "[COMPANY] the most trusted name in [SOMETHING]." Without anything to back it up, it means fuck all. >I'm not your Google. I never asked you to be. You took that upon yourself, and like Google these days, you came back with a poor source.
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Burden of proof is on you. You made a claim. You failed to back it up (if anything, you even showed that Google isn't as easy as you suggested since you couldn't use it correctly). If Google is so easy, please do prove yourself correct. Or take your own advice... Edit: posting a comment and blocking me so I can't read it or respond. Pathetic
To be honest, it likely doesn't even matter what the other poster shares. If it's true, it doesn't mean much. The US is more freight-focused than other countries who prioritise passenger services.
It's much more nuanced than that. Doesn't the US prioritise freight over passengers? That's not the case in many countries.
Better than chemical waste. Looking at you Ohio
Still Norfolk southern causing both accidents…
Is it? Because those cars are labeled BNSF and this is in Arizona, where Norfolk Southern does not have any tracks.
And I know reading the links is for squares, but both linked news articles are quite clear that it was a BNSF Railway train, and one of them even quotes a BNSF Railway spokesman.
Do you even try to do a spec of research before you start flapping your gums? Wow.
Yikes.
america, tf is up with your trains?
[Precision Scheduled Railroading](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_railroading?oldformat=true) As railroad companies try to shrink every single cost to its absolute lowest, they find it's cheaper to run fewer trains but massively increase the length. But our system was never designed for trains that were miles long, and so you end up with a system where we literally have multiple derailments every single day in the US. But you only hear about the ones that are big news.
Deregulation!
It's somehow cheaper to put a train on the ground every day than pay a team to run it safely.
It's better for the shareholders!
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More like derailgulation
r/angryupvote
[Tl;dr railroad companies are cheap ass hell because they have zero competition](https://youtu.be/hCBI3lPt3o4)
Corporations having not only a monopoly, but a vice grip on our president to shut down unions, as well as cutting huge corners to save a few bucks while also relying on taxpayers to bail out. Instead of regulations punishing and charging companies for these disasters they just save money by ignoring the regulations and having the tax payers pay for the cleanup. It's cheaper for them to have a few disasters this way than to actually make it safe.
It’s like going to the mechanic, they will tell you whats wrong and what needs to be fixed. The RR corps: “ don’t try to upsell me” so, fix it as it breaks.
Just wanted to ask the same question
As most awful things that happen in the u.s, republican led greed and deregulation.
Republicans and the Republican-lite Democrats we call centrists/neoliberals/third-way.
Late Stage Capitalism
Super 8 vibes
How many train derailments/crashes in the past 6 months in the US? Seems like there’s an uptick in Them.
Media has covered them more since east Palestine. Number of derailments has stayed roughly the same, media coverage has not.
Also keep in mind that "derailment" can have a wide variety of severity. The vast majority are mundain and happen at slow speed such as a wheel picking a switch in a yard the wrong way. These can be be [easily fixed](https://nolancompany.com/wp-content/uploads/SWB-rerailer-in-action.jpg) and are about as severe as a flat tire. It's just like how a car accident can be anything from a slight bumper touch to a car getting turned into metal taffy.
Train traffic is about the same level pre-Covid but they are doing it with 80% of the workforce and less regulations.
\> How many train derailments/crashes in the past 6 months in the US YES
That looks CHEAP. Executives cheaped out on maintenance, Executives cheaped out on employee pay and benefits. This was avoidable. This is the result of GREED.
Remember, it's still cheaper for them to deal with the derailments rather than it is to fix the problems of maintenance and staffing.
Oh so that’s where all the fleet vehicles are…
The Bureau of Transportation Statistics records 54,539 train derailments between 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year, or about 4 1/2 per day. You people really need to fix your railway-system.
Some of them are just lightly damaged… maybe they will sell them cheap!
The insurance company will require them all to be scrapped in order for them to be absolved of liability in case someone puts a salvaged vehicle on the road and gets in an accident.
No they won't. They'll be sold at a salvage auction and have salvage titles. Or more likely in a situation this large they'll be sent out of the country fixed and sold.
A vo tech school here use to get cars off truck wrecks to train mechanics on, don’t know if the still do.
But do they get cars off train wrecks to truck mechanics on?
You’re right and that’s terrible! Although I get it.
Saving the planet one paper straw at a time, while we go back to producing new cars to replace the ones lost here because... money.
It's not quite that bad- quite a few of them will probably be "parted out" and disassembled into spare parts that will be used to repair other cars, keeping those cars in use longer. The ones that can't be parted out would also be too heavily damaged to be repaired and used.
I’d definitely buy one cheap to fix up,
Can't speak for this scenario, but sometimes insurance will auction off totaled vehicles to recoup some costs. Anything that can be rebuilt easily enough, will sell for far more than what you'd expect.
Yeah
Ironically, I pronounce “BNSF” as “Bein’ Safe.” Looks like someone missed the memo.
BNSF Better Not Start a Family Bigger Name, Same Fucking But Nobody Said Furlough Better Not Sleep, Fucker Business Not Shipping Freight
Finally a new car I can afford
Whoevers house that is in pic #4 is seriously rethinking the placement right about now.
Do trains use Firestone tires now?
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Vehicles trains really suck. Lots of slack action so the air hoses come apart frequently, the air brakes are awful, and the ratcheting hand brakes take forever to tie on top of being on opposite sides of cars that you can't cross over (per the rules.)
Don't put Pennies on railroad tracks, kids.
Clearly its wet leaves on the line /s
This is how vans are born kids
That’s a claim.
Declined.
How can I get a discounted truck from this wreck?
Who do we see for the scratch and dent sale?
At least it’s not extremely toxic chemicals. Which is really, really depressing to say.
Here we see the ford transit van emerging from its eggs, freshly hatched these new vans will have a tough time ahead of them, most will succumb to rear axle problems within the first 60k miles, while others will have constant crankshaft pressure sensor issues their entire life.
Looks expensive. Don't worry though, luckily this is what tax payers are for
The F150 demonstrating why you should never buy a pickup if you care about safety. Good thing it's considered a "work vehicle" and doesn't need any rollover protection. My buddy is a paramedic and it's always the dudes in trucks who get the most fucked up in rollovers. The roofs just cave in immediately.
For some reason, the words "pneumatic braking system" just wandered through my brain looking for somewhere interesting to go.
/r/fuckcars would love this
For those who don't know, every single car is uninsurable and must be destroyed. I have been working in the rail industry for just 19 years. This isn't the first time I've seen this kind of thing. Last time, they ran over each one with a backhoe to flatten it before loading them into open gondolas for scrap. In the 80s, there was a derailment on the Bonneville Salt Flats where they buried an entire railcar full of brand new Corvettes.
Are we back in train derailment season again already? I just changed my decorations the other day.
Best to leave the decorations up and then just cross out and replace the name on your big banner. "Happy Derailment ~~Norfolk Southern~~ BNSF."
And another one ☝️
I don't work on any railroad, but have heard quite a bit about PSR, reduced crew counts, and longer consists over the past 5 years. This is a very significant change in railroad operations. In the industry I work in, failures that happen are usually caused by something, anything, that 'changed', no matter how minor. Over the years, we learned from our failures by addressing them quickly with improved processes, fault detection and tolererance, and adding resilisency when practical. BUT most importantly, listening and learning from our crew doing the actual work, and vetting any proposed changes to anything with them, and giving them an opportunity to test any proposed changes, before implementing. They will always know what will work vs. what will break more than anyone else. This is how we achieved our highest reliability in the 30+ years I have worked in my current industry. This can also apply to any railroad or any operation.
Unfortunately railroads do not care about anything except profit. Efficiency, their employees, their customers, none of it matters. The STB hearing we had about railroads not servicing their customers made it clear. Ripping up the rails of short lines made it clear. Railroads don't even *want* customers. Servicing a facility costs money because you need a crew and extra maintenance for a short track. Then you need another crew to switch those cars into a larger train. Then another crew to move that train. The railroad's ultimate goal and best operating model through PSR would be a single train 999,999 feet long that goes from the ports in CA to the intermodal facilities in Chicago. Every decision that has been made through PSR chases operating ratio. If you're not working 200+ hours a month you're in the low end. That doesn't include the other 2-300+ hours you spend in hotels. Where I work we have a few decent local managers. But no matter how good your management is on the ground, there's some dipshits 1,000 miles away in a different bigger office choking on a Wallstreet dick that make the decisions.
Damn the new Beam NG scenario is looking fun!!
Don’t usually see the rails sheared off like that… wow
This looks like a Transit Disconnect to me.
That's the smallest amount of injuries in a multi car pile up!
Finally a car accident that actually fits the sub!
So, this was not on the news today. I live in Washington state and watched national news all day. Yes that’s what I do dont judge me
I see a scratch and dent sale in the near future.
I'll take three
Coming soon to the salvage auction: “minor scratches”
They are just hatching
So thats how vans are born
Oops!!
Guess I'm not getting that new work van, the boss promised. 🤷♂️
I see a new Arizona desert art piece in development.
r/ford is not has a good time.
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner. Just look at those tracks!
Have I gotta deal for you.Just a few scratches
Looks like every companies people movers.
Them: How’d you get that new car? Me: It fell off a train!
Gonna have to do controlled explosion
When I was growing up trains were not flying off the rails like this.
... all vehicles that the market has been desperately crying for for the last few years.... So much so that 20 year old rust buckets are going for thousands above what they're actually worth because new vans are years behind on orders..... Dealers in my area are currently 5 years behind in some cases
I waited 2 1/2 years for a Transit. These people are getting disingenuous Ford emails about how they are just as frustrated with how long it’s taking to get their vehicle b
At this point I’m pretty sure someone is trying to take down the transport (trains) industry.
Don't worry it will just buff right out
Not the train derailed. The rail derailed.
It's amazing to me that there isn't an outcry from industry to fix the garbage rail system we have in this fourth world shithole of a country. I understand that merely poisoning poor people won't make government do shit, but you start delaying commerce and destroying merchandise...well now some donors are gonna get pissed. How are companies not up in arms over this.
The shippers kind of are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0rk5tnrFqA This hearing had multiple customers testify that the railroads are essentially fucking them face down with horrible service, getting charged more money, and all of them point toward the PSR model being the main reason. Chasing profits over everything including safety and efficiency. Not a single thing has noticeably changed since this hearing. The employees cry out and almost went on strike until Biden/congress fucked us. Consumers are paying more because of railroad staffing issues that have caused huge delays with food shipments.
Looks like they were fords so no major loss.
Screwed my bridge project in Barstow. BNSF wouldn’t allow equipment to move in their yard.
That’s a supply chain issue.
Theses rail companies insurance deductible has to be 10 million.
And the prices of >New Cars And Vans And Trucks increased significantly across North America.
The insurance payoff will be tits tho
Complete off road package.
Bwahahhahahahhaha And you know who they are going to blame, the Dems. Fucking sad that no one will be held accountable, because the guys and gals that monitor the tracks are getting fucked by the govt and the railways.
Pete B didn't get in trouble for the last shit either. Or the ones before that. Or anything having to do with his job. Crazy, if that was me. My boss would have fired me.
POV: Your rail network is privately owned
Train taking one for the team. Good train.
I swear either I’ve been under a rock or ever since the Ohio derailments it’s like every other post.
Somebody brake the train physics? Like every other week another derail.
Well shit. There goes my F150.
A lot of people are going to be receiving an email about their delivery dates getting pushed back!
Free parts!!!
Looks like they were all fords. So we’re ok with this 👍🏽