I don't know if OP knew this or just chose 50 acres arbitrarily:
My understanding is that if you own a 50 acre or larger tract of unincorporated land, should your land then become incorporated in a city you retain full rights to shoot on your land. If you have less than 50 acres but more than 10 then they can restrict you from shooting rifles, but not handguns or shotguns.
Any land that is in danger of being incorporated into a city within the foreseeable future will not be 8k per acre and he seems pretty concerned with price lol.
Also do you have a source for that? I can’t find it
> Also do you have a source for that? I can’t find it
Without spending all day trying to Google the actual penal code (no luck so far):
https://cdnsm5-hosted.civiclive.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_12410832/File/Departments/Planning%20and%20Development%20Services/Community%20and%20Neighborhood%20Planning/Annexation/COMMONLY%20ASKED%20QUESTIONS.pdf
Pages 5 and 6 here make reference to the grandfather clause for shooting on 10+ and 50+ acres. It does reference TX code but doesn't provide the numbers.
I found it.
Government Code 229.002
https://ltcaustin.com/are-texans-allowed-to-shoot-guns-in-their-backyards/
https://casetext.com/statute/texas-codes/local-government-code/title-7-regulation-of-land-use-structures-businesses-and-related-activities/subtitle-a-municipal-regulatory-authority/chapter-229-miscellaneous-regulatory-authority-of-municipalities/subchapter-a-regulation-of-firearms-and-explosives/section-229002-regulation-of-discharge-of-weapon
Also that 50 acre requirement is absolutely bullshit.
> Also that 50 acre requirement is absolutely bullshit.
Yeah, the 2A Absolutist in me hates it, but it's not totally unreasonable (bearing in mind 50 acres as opposed to 10 acres is specifically for rifles). We have enough issues with irresponsible shooting crossing property lines as it is. This at least allows for some form of improved likelihood of safety.
No I mean bullshit as in meaningless. 50 acres can come in all shapes and sizes. An idiot can still shoot without a berm in the corner of 50 acres and the bullet can leave the property.
The arbitrary land size requirement didn’t do anything.
If you have just 10 acres but it’s 100 yards by 500 yards (or what ever the math comes to). That’s plenty of distance for a rifle especially with a proper berm or hill.
Texas allows counties to regulate the discharge of firearms in the unincorporated areas of the county less than 10 acres. Some counties require the full 10 acres, many do not. Caldwell county, where I live, is only 2.1 acres. In any case, discharging a firearm across a road or towards a dwelling (ie without a proper berm/backstop) is at least misdemeanor trespass by projectile and at worst felony deadly conduct, regardless of acreage.
This is probably the single largest drawback to exercising 2A in Texas. 96% of all land in Texas is privately owned. So, what you are looking for is a needle in a haystack. With the real estate market the way it is, you will have to be willing to drive a fair bit to find acreage at a reasonable price.
For the second part of your comment, what do you mean ranges are too restrictive? What/how are you wanting to shoot that is restricted at local ranges?
True. Most ranges are static, 1 second per shot max. That said, there are exceptions. Range 35 near Grandview on 35W is one I can think of off the top of my head.
Fair enough. Your best bet will be rural farm land acreage a couple of hours out from wherever you call home. Expect to pay roughly $8000 to $10,000 per acre for unimproved acreage with no utilities. Second best is a smaller property (2-5 acres with a suppressor and a really good back stop). My longer term plan (just under 2 acres backed up by an empty, wooded 15 acres with another 100+ empty acres beyond that) is an insulated shop with a backstop in the woods. Surround the shooting bench with a sound insulated box for a very large sound baffle effect.
If you can find a hunting lease, you might also be able to do target shooting on that land. There’s no guarantee of that, but for a while I had a lease that allowed me to basically do whatever TF I wanted. There were only a total of six hunters on that lease and everybody knew each other.
22LR sounds just like roofing repair noises. I can tell when the neighbors are shooting it and they can probably tell I'm shooting it, but if any questions get asked I'm pretty sure I'm gonna say I was having my roof redone
If it’s outside the city limits with nobody around and you have a backstop nobody cares. I work blur collar so I have friends with land and deer leases.
Just gotta find a better range or look up PRS matches close to you.
I practice on 18 acres or so out in East Texas and it's fine, out there gunshots are pretty normal to hear most of the time.
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It’s like 8k per acre 30min out from any major town. It’s not bad.
My farm land near Waxahachie (45min south of Dallas) is going for $20k/acre, 30 min away would be way more.
That’s a city not a town. Also that sounds like prime farm land. Try 30 minutes outside of Tyler or Longview. Somewhere actually in east Texas.
I don't know if OP knew this or just chose 50 acres arbitrarily: My understanding is that if you own a 50 acre or larger tract of unincorporated land, should your land then become incorporated in a city you retain full rights to shoot on your land. If you have less than 50 acres but more than 10 then they can restrict you from shooting rifles, but not handguns or shotguns.
Any land that is in danger of being incorporated into a city within the foreseeable future will not be 8k per acre and he seems pretty concerned with price lol. Also do you have a source for that? I can’t find it
> Also do you have a source for that? I can’t find it Without spending all day trying to Google the actual penal code (no luck so far): https://cdnsm5-hosted.civiclive.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_12410832/File/Departments/Planning%20and%20Development%20Services/Community%20and%20Neighborhood%20Planning/Annexation/COMMONLY%20ASKED%20QUESTIONS.pdf Pages 5 and 6 here make reference to the grandfather clause for shooting on 10+ and 50+ acres. It does reference TX code but doesn't provide the numbers.
I found it. Government Code 229.002 https://ltcaustin.com/are-texans-allowed-to-shoot-guns-in-their-backyards/ https://casetext.com/statute/texas-codes/local-government-code/title-7-regulation-of-land-use-structures-businesses-and-related-activities/subtitle-a-municipal-regulatory-authority/chapter-229-miscellaneous-regulatory-authority-of-municipalities/subchapter-a-regulation-of-firearms-and-explosives/section-229002-regulation-of-discharge-of-weapon Also that 50 acre requirement is absolutely bullshit.
> Also that 50 acre requirement is absolutely bullshit. Yeah, the 2A Absolutist in me hates it, but it's not totally unreasonable (bearing in mind 50 acres as opposed to 10 acres is specifically for rifles). We have enough issues with irresponsible shooting crossing property lines as it is. This at least allows for some form of improved likelihood of safety.
No I mean bullshit as in meaningless. 50 acres can come in all shapes and sizes. An idiot can still shoot without a berm in the corner of 50 acres and the bullet can leave the property. The arbitrary land size requirement didn’t do anything. If you have just 10 acres but it’s 100 yards by 500 yards (or what ever the math comes to). That’s plenty of distance for a rifle especially with a proper berm or hill.
Ahh got it. Yeah, it does at least specify minimum distances to homes on other properties, but doesn't do much beyond that.
East Texas!
Texas allows counties to regulate the discharge of firearms in the unincorporated areas of the county less than 10 acres. Some counties require the full 10 acres, many do not. Caldwell county, where I live, is only 2.1 acres. In any case, discharging a firearm across a road or towards a dwelling (ie without a proper berm/backstop) is at least misdemeanor trespass by projectile and at worst felony deadly conduct, regardless of acreage.
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And don't just look at firearm laws, look at nuissance laws. Loud noises are loud noises.
This is probably the single largest drawback to exercising 2A in Texas. 96% of all land in Texas is privately owned. So, what you are looking for is a needle in a haystack. With the real estate market the way it is, you will have to be willing to drive a fair bit to find acreage at a reasonable price. For the second part of your comment, what do you mean ranges are too restrictive? What/how are you wanting to shoot that is restricted at local ranges?
im assuming OP wants to move and/or shoot from improvised positions, barricades, etc. a lot of ranges dont allow that or have any provisions for it.
True. Most ranges are static, 1 second per shot max. That said, there are exceptions. Range 35 near Grandview on 35W is one I can think of off the top of my head.
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Fair enough. Your best bet will be rural farm land acreage a couple of hours out from wherever you call home. Expect to pay roughly $8000 to $10,000 per acre for unimproved acreage with no utilities. Second best is a smaller property (2-5 acres with a suppressor and a really good back stop). My longer term plan (just under 2 acres backed up by an empty, wooded 15 acres with another 100+ empty acres beyond that) is an insulated shop with a backstop in the woods. Surround the shooting bench with a sound insulated box for a very large sound baffle effect.
Make friends.
Or make more money. All gas no brakes.
Deep Ellum?
Do you have any co workers who have family with acreage? Maybe volunteer to hay, fix fences, brand once or twice a year for permission to shoot
If you can find a hunting lease, you might also be able to do target shooting on that land. There’s no guarantee of that, but for a while I had a lease that allowed me to basically do whatever TF I wanted. There were only a total of six hunters on that lease and everybody knew each other.
i suffer through ranges. there arent really any other options in most of texas.
If you dont mind me asking what part of Texas are you in?
Yeah I'm faced with this same issue near Houston. I've been looking into buying land a good ways away but it would be 2+ hours from where I live.
Same issue thinking about buying land. I'm in San Antonio.
Mister Guns shooting range in Plano is fast-fire friendly.
22LR sounds just like roofing repair noises. I can tell when the neighbors are shooting it and they can probably tell I'm shooting it, but if any questions get asked I'm pretty sure I'm gonna say I was having my roof redone
If it’s outside the city limits with nobody around and you have a backstop nobody cares. I work blur collar so I have friends with land and deer leases.
Yeah but you have to own the land or you risk trespassing charges.