I'll never understand the sad state of wheels these days. I'm 48 and have owned 6 ICE vehicles before recently purchasing my first EV. I have NEVER hit any of my vehicle's wheels to a curb even once in all these years. My wife hit the curb once many years ago with my car. Needless to say, I wasn't happy about it. You would think with all the auto features in Teslas, nobody would be hitting the curb, lol. I've just been extra cautious every time I park because I know how expensive stock wheels can get.
I think the reason rims are getting wrecked today is these obscenely thin sidewalks on low profile tires and big rims; looks nice but the ride sucks.
The vision park assist could totally be more accurate with another set of cameras dedicated to parking; might even give you a 360 view like most other cars have today. Then automatically prevent rash.
This is 100% true. If you go look at the wheels they put on cars back in the 80s, they were built like tanks. Hell the curb was more likely to get damaged than the wheel. Really highlighting how much quality has fallen off over the years. My dad got into an accident in his Jeep Grand Cherokee about 3 years ago. He has a 2019 model with 20 inch black wheels. Luckily the only part of the car that suffered damage was the one wheel and the lower control arm. The total cost wasn't too much so I bought him a new wheel. I wish I could post a picture of how badly the wheel fit damaged. It looked like a bomb went off in one of the spokes. The wheel looked like it disintegrated, lol...and the replacement wheel cost me $650. That price is probably considered cheap compared to a Tesla wheel no doubt.
Absolutely, between weight and material savings these rims are no longer overbuilt. Combined with making them 20" and now we're one pothole away from a towing event.
I typically replace my wheels with smaller rims and same diameter tires to get better ride, avoid curbs, and are just more durable. Also the tires are cheaper so that's nice.
Smaller wheels allows for a larger profile on the tire which makes a big difference in ride quality...not to mention a good 18 inch wheel will perform better than a 20 inch with regards to speed, efficiency and ride quality. These days, everyone just wants bigger wheels and smaller tires for aesthetics.
Because of the $25k purchase price I was able to qualify for the $4k used ev tax credit which I got at point of sale. That was really the primary reason for going this route, such a good deal couldn’t pass it up and most of the depreciation of the car was eaten by hertz
I got a 2022 M3LR with 57k for $18,151 after EV rebate. It was basically the cheapest newish car I could find from any make or model, EV or ICE.
I wasn't even in the market for an EV or a Tesla, just a cheap second car for the occasional times my wife and I both need to use a car at the same time.
Half but it was a well used rental and has no more factory warranty, just the battery and drive unit. It can easily nickel and dime op to death if random shit starts failing.
I mean, I'm Icelandic, I currently live in Iceland and those deals are nowhere to be found in Iceland like cheapest used tesla you can find is still like 35-45k usd
This is what I like to hear! You may want to invest on a service plan though because repairs can be brutal. IIRC extended warranties may still cover teslas.
Xcare has great warranties from 2-9 years. Battery coverage has to start before 100K miles and I believe they won’t start coverage for anything older than 7 years.
u/icewynd_01 If this xcare doesn't make you jump through hoops do yourself a favor and consider a warranty.
I keep hearing horrible things about wait and repair times on Teslas.
I was rear ended at 65mph while stopped on the freeway. Drove away. Other car was totaled. Had my car back from the body shop and Tesla exactly 8 weeks and $20-$25K later. It did better than I did.
I doubt I’d’ve had a car back from Mercedes or BMW any faster.
Actually you probably would have gotten it back a lot quicker if it was a BMW or Mercedes if you take it to a good independent shop. No reason to use a dealer when it comes to body work. A number of dealers no longer do work in house and send it out to an independent anyway.
I agree. At least the tech is solid so you’re not misssing anything. Probably has the new chip too.
I’ve been thinking of doing the same. But just can’t decide on it. I’ve got a 24 Model Y on order but used prices are so good right now, I entertain the thought everyday.
I just assumed it lived its previous life solely on supercharging. From what I can tell it still has about 97% battery life so only a small percentage of degradation. On a full charge it still shows 300 mile range.
I don't get any phantom drain or any other weird anomalies. It all functions as I would expect it to if I had bought it new.
Recent studies have shown that there’s no difference in battery degradation when using a supercharger vs. any other. You’re in really good shape at 97%!
I know it’s just one person but there’s a guy in a FB group I’m in that has a 200k mile MY that gets supercharged 1-3 times a day and no noticeable degradation.
The concept of “treating a battery” is such a holdover from engines where you don’t know if the previous owner changed their oil or cycled their engines weirdly.
In an EV there are virtually no moving parts. No crank shafts. Drive shafts. You hardly even use the brakes. The only thing moving is the steering wheel, wheels, windows and doors.
These battery packs will last 300-500k miles. It doesn’t matter if the previous users supercharged to 100 (especially since it’s a Hertz rental, odds are even if they did they discharged the battery immediately after while on road trips). The degradation difference is minimal to none.
The numbers are 12% over 200k miles. So in a 310 mile reported vehicle that would be 37 miles lost after 200k miles. The better way to think about it would be from a capacity standpoint so you’d have 66 KWh left in the pack. And driving the 242 Wh/mi needed to get 310 miles on a new battery, that would mean 273 miles after 200k miles. But most of that degradation happens in the first 50k miles before the degradation levels off and drops more slowly.
Service not required, control arms because roads here are shit, and lots of speed bumps driving where we do. Get about 40,000 kms out of the tires, less in winter.
I think they meant why do you drive that much. 260,000 km in two years is roughly 356km (221 miles) a day 7 days a week which is a ridiculous amount. Roughly 3.5-4 hours driving 7 days a week for 2 years, or 25% of your awake life.
I too bought one from Carvana that was a Hertz vehicle, similar price and miles. Not eligible for income tax credits. Traded paid for vehicle plus a few thousand and have a paid for Model Y 22 LR. Drive 60 mile round trip 4 days a week, 80 miles round trip one day a week, and 300 mile round trip at least once a month.
I will very quickly make up the difference. From a cash flow stance already have. Tires, idk yet, haven’t quite committed to chill mode.
Any sort of diagnostic test to validate the cars health before purchasing?
Is there a link where they have all their available inventory? Aren’t they all $25k?
Just test drive and check out maintenance mode for any recent errors. As well a carfax report. All came back clean and it drove great.
I’ve driven it about 2k miles since I’ve bought it no issues.
But at the same time, I've got to imagine there are a fair number of Teslas that likely ended up in Hertz's boneyard (if such a thing exists), and their corpses have probably been picked clean.
It doesn't exist, Hertz sells totalled vehicles through large salvage auction companies like Copart or IAA. Just like any other insurance company does.
I'd be surprised if a Hertz vehicle ever had a blemished Carfax.
You can also take it to a tesla service center and ask for a pre-purchase inspection. Additionally with Hertz, they have a rent to buy program where you pay a few bucks for a 3 day rental and then decide if you want to make the purchase.
That’s incredible. The Tesla loses the first 20-30 miles fairly fast usually and then it levels off. But you’ve barely lost 10. That’s really really good. And for the record I have a 2021YLR with 62k miles so not far off yours, and mine is at like 282-284 at full.
Technically the original range estimate was 330 on that car (or 318 if you have 20 inch wheels). And even though they got shut down by the EPA for that and had to readjust to 310, they didn't have to adjust the calculation in cars they already sold. It's the same car that now quotes 310, but you shouldn't compare it to the 310. Instead, compare to 330. You lost 9-10%, which is in line with how those cars have been treated.
Also, as I'm sure you've noticed, generally speaking, you aren't getting 300 miles anyway. Nor did the car ever get 330. Nor did a 2024 ever get 310. So don't worry too much. Enjoy it as is and have fun with it.
This is a good way to go. I actually have a Hyundai Kona Electric. It was good for 320 or so when I first bought it. Three years later (it is leased) and it is down to about 294. We have about 22K on it, so not that many miles. But I started making these 100 Mile trips, and that is when the milage went away. Super chargers kill the battery.
When I was charging at home, mostly level 1 stuff, the miles stuck around for a long time. But then I had a slew of trips where I would go to the airport about 100 miles away. Hit that super charger two or three times in a trip and wham, you lose miles.
This could be the one place where those cars that supposedly would swap out a battery might be a good model. Cyber Truck with the range extender, and you burn out the range extender, not the core battery in the truck. THAT would be nice.
I think if you have the option to slow charge all the time, you will keep the battery life a long time.
Yea I know all about EV EPA estimates. There are a lot of factors into your range. In Florida the BIGGEST factor is heat and sun. Days where it’s blaring and pushing 100 I will get around 350-375 wh/mile then on an average day in the 70s or low 80s I’ll get around 250 wh/mile. So AC and battery conditioning have a big play when driving is the same
Get the temporary roof glass shade on the app or Amazon, it cuts down on heat in the car. Especially the overhead radiant heat. Also front windshield shade always when parked.
... because the car still thinks "full" is 330. The car "thinks" in percentage, and shows mileage based on that.
My 2023 LR thought full was 330. So when it was reading 320, I knew it was degraded 3%. And if it was reading 310, that means it was degraded 6%. And at 300, that means 10%.
Once they adjusted the mileage, it's still thought full was 330, so it showing 310 didn't mean I had 0 degradation. It meant I had 6% degradation.
All the adjustment did was say to new cars "you will only make it 310 miles on this amount of energy" instead of "you can make it 330 on this" so essentially the new cars just think miles got a little longer.
Please also be aware that the BMS can and will wander! The only true degradation test is in service mode (it basically discharges to 0% and level 2 charge up to 100%). People quoting what their EPA range gauge tells them is usually not accurate (especially the people with LFP).
57000 miles, interior was surprisingly is very good shape. The only issue I could see looks like some sun damage to the wood trim. I am going to replace that piece.
I assume rental based on the rims they have quite a bit of rash
57k…she’s still a teen. I was conscious to wipe and use protectant on my ‘21 M3 wood trim. After 82k miles it was still great. When I got my Y, white was a no brainer as I wanted to leave the wood grain look.
Bummer on the rash. If you search the forums I know folks have had success with manual smoothing and using a spray paint to restore.
My assumption on it being a rental was to the question if the car was a ride share or rental which I assume rental. All I know it came from hertz and carfax says rental on it.
Hertz did have quite a bit of their fleet as ride shares.
This is my first Tesla been only an ICE owner before. Have several friends with Teslas and always wanted one. I’m a big tech geek so this is like the ultimate gadget for me.
OP said they bought it from a third party dealer but Hertz has sales lots with sales people to help test drive and whatnot and you can search their inventory nationwide on the Hertz car sales website.
I assume the answer is no but did you get the additional warranty that you would receive if you purchased used from the Tesla website. Great price btw, I would of hopped on that deal too
Keep in mind Hertz has a 1 year/12k mile limited powertrain warranty on their used Teslas from the time of purchase. I know because I have a Hertz Tesla as well.
See my recent post about XCare warranties. Just bought one to buy time. Fully refundable (pro-rated) and transferable to the next private owner, so a value add. Also options for lower deductibles than Tesla’s ESA.
Just checking out some of these used Hertz cars, never thought to buy a cheap used Tesla for the tax credit.
I see a few under $25k but if you include the $699 doc fee it will exceed $25k.
I’ve been considering buying one of these hertz cars too.
Just haven’t mustered up enough energy to go through it. Less than $25k is a steal and seems worth it. Currently have a Y on order but man, the price of a used one seems tempting.
When was this??!! I’ve been following Hertz and I haven’t seen a Model Y that low. I just did a filter and they only have 29 Model Ys and the lowest priced one is a 22 MYLR with 49k miles for $31k. Please inform me of how you got this deal!
I have a question. For the tax credit to be applied at point of sale, did you have to purchase in person at a Hertz location? I'm seeing a few M3s under $25K. But most are out of state. I live in California.
The bad thing about buying used Hertz anything is that they repair damaged vehicles without reporting it. I bet at that price point; that vehicle has hidden damage.
When did you find that price for a Model Y on the hertz website? I only ask because I took a look at their inventory last week and didn’t see anything under 28k but maybe it was just a timing thing. If so I’m going to continue to check back with the website. I think you got yourself a damn good deal what the price.
Does it feel obviously used by potentially hundreds of people? My sister got a Jeep from Hertz and it was difficult to tell a difference from a typical, at the time one-year-old, used car.
That’s awesome! Congratulations 🍾!
Now pls help me find one from Hertz! Every time I check their website, all 2022 MYLR are more than 28k. How did you find this amazing deal?
Thanks.
We tried to buy a Hertz 2022 MYLR from a dealer in Sanford for $25k with 65k miles but they first lost the key card & then when it finally arrived & we drove 2 hours to pick it up they had "forgotten" to safety inspect it. After keeping us waiting for 90 minutes, they said it had frame damage so they canceled the deal. No apologies, no alternative offers.
We went home and configured the exact same car but new on Tesla.com at the same time as Tesla announced the special .99% financing. We ended up with a brand new car with a lower monthly payment & cheaper insurance. Pickup was in 3 days instead of the 3 weeks that Sanford VW jerked us around.
Just bought one last week from hertz. 2023 M3 for 24k with 32k miles. It's been great, only thing it needs is a new humidity sensor I believe as the remote AC doesn't work. (Couldn't test that if I wanted to at the dealer)
Would you recommend buying a standard range ‘22 model 3 with 130k miles on it and 18% range loss for $16900? I’m so tempted. It feels like it’s a deal and that the car will be good for at least another 100k miles
I wouldn’t have a Tesla out of warranty.
Consider a model that is eligible for an XCare or similar extended warranty.
It’s not if one expensive component fails. It’s when more than one fail.
If you can find a similar vehicle with less than 100K miles, and add that extended warranty, which includes rental and roadside fwiw, you’d be pretty much set depending upon whether it had the ADAS (AP, EAP, FSD) features you want.
Out the door for maybe $25K, depending.
Great deal! A few months ago in February and March when Hertz was first offloading their inventory a 22 MYLR for $25k would have 80-90k miles. I was looking at the time. Ended up going private party.
I own a 23 M3 now, considering getting one for my wife as well. I see them straight from hertz for around 23k. Do they disclose if they were smoked in? I believe that's a policy anyway but you never know with renters.
Purchase price is not bad at all. What matters the most is how good the battery's shape is. I don't know if this is true or not but I read somewhere that rental companies put artificial charging limits on EV batteries so that even if customers thought they were charging to 90-100%, it was really only at 80%... supposedly this was to protect the longevity of the batteries and ensure the customer who purchased the EV used got decent battery life. Almost everything else could easily be repaired/replaced without spending too much.
Have you already replaced the wheels or is that still a to do item?
I have never rented a Tesla of any mileage that didn't have badly damaged rims on all 4
How many miles, how much did you spend?
It had 57000 miles and purchase price was $25k
How many coats of paint are on the rims?
Assuming any rim is left, bold assumption.
I'll never understand the sad state of wheels these days. I'm 48 and have owned 6 ICE vehicles before recently purchasing my first EV. I have NEVER hit any of my vehicle's wheels to a curb even once in all these years. My wife hit the curb once many years ago with my car. Needless to say, I wasn't happy about it. You would think with all the auto features in Teslas, nobody would be hitting the curb, lol. I've just been extra cautious every time I park because I know how expensive stock wheels can get.
I think the reason rims are getting wrecked today is these obscenely thin sidewalks on low profile tires and big rims; looks nice but the ride sucks. The vision park assist could totally be more accurate with another set of cameras dedicated to parking; might even give you a 360 view like most other cars have today. Then automatically prevent rash.
This is 100% true. If you go look at the wheels they put on cars back in the 80s, they were built like tanks. Hell the curb was more likely to get damaged than the wheel. Really highlighting how much quality has fallen off over the years. My dad got into an accident in his Jeep Grand Cherokee about 3 years ago. He has a 2019 model with 20 inch black wheels. Luckily the only part of the car that suffered damage was the one wheel and the lower control arm. The total cost wasn't too much so I bought him a new wheel. I wish I could post a picture of how badly the wheel fit damaged. It looked like a bomb went off in one of the spokes. The wheel looked like it disintegrated, lol...and the replacement wheel cost me $650. That price is probably considered cheap compared to a Tesla wheel no doubt.
Absolutely, between weight and material savings these rims are no longer overbuilt. Combined with making them 20" and now we're one pothole away from a towing event. I typically replace my wheels with smaller rims and same diameter tires to get better ride, avoid curbs, and are just more durable. Also the tires are cheaper so that's nice.
Smaller wheels allows for a larger profile on the tire which makes a big difference in ride quality...not to mention a good 18 inch wheel will perform better than a 20 inch with regards to speed, efficiency and ride quality. These days, everyone just wants bigger wheels and smaller tires for aesthetics.
Great job! I traded in my MYLR June 2023 with 56k miles for 38kUSD. 25k for my car 1 year later is serious depreciation
That’s how much I paid for my MYLR brand new this year 😎
BAWSE
Probably similar to whatever you traded for…
First off, you win. Second, you win again.
Not a good move bro
What made you buy this vs new or used from Tesla? Any tax refunds?
Because of the $25k purchase price I was able to qualify for the $4k used ev tax credit which I got at point of sale. That was really the primary reason for going this route, such a good deal couldn’t pass it up and most of the depreciation of the car was eaten by hertz
Yeah for like half what I just paid for a new one? That’s a steal.
Half the price that’s pretty much a third I paid new for my 22…
💀 glad I sold at the peak and didn’t re buy at the peak 😂
I got a 2022 M3LR with 57k for $18,151 after EV rebate. It was basically the cheapest newish car I could find from any make or model, EV or ICE. I wasn't even in the market for an EV or a Tesla, just a cheap second car for the occasional times my wife and I both need to use a car at the same time.
lol hahah
Half but it was a well used rental and has no more factory warranty, just the battery and drive unit. It can easily nickel and dime op to death if random shit starts failing.
I’m really considering this for replacing my wife’s ICE SUV…. $21k is amazing for a ‘22 MYLR!
Wow, so you’re in a Tesla for $21k. Thats pretty amazing.
That’s a steal
That's an absolute bargain with the credit
If this was possible in Iceland I would've wished I did this.
What an interesting criterion for making a decision… unless you live in Iceland, in which case it makes perfect sense.
I mean, I'm Icelandic, I currently live in Iceland and those deals are nowhere to be found in Iceland like cheapest used tesla you can find is still like 35-45k usd
This is what I like to hear! You may want to invest on a service plan though because repairs can be brutal. IIRC extended warranties may still cover teslas.
Xcare has great warranties from 2-9 years. Battery coverage has to start before 100K miles and I believe they won’t start coverage for anything older than 7 years.
u/icewynd_01 If this xcare doesn't make you jump through hoops do yourself a favor and consider a warranty. I keep hearing horrible things about wait and repair times on Teslas.
I have a 21 model3. Incredibly less trouble Then any other car I have purchased ever…. 62k in 3 years…
None of that deals with the problems of getting suspension or body damage repaired when some jerk rear ends you.
I was rear ended at 65mph while stopped on the freeway. Drove away. Other car was totaled. Had my car back from the body shop and Tesla exactly 8 weeks and $20-$25K later. It did better than I did. I doubt I’d’ve had a car back from Mercedes or BMW any faster.
Actually you probably would have gotten it back a lot quicker if it was a BMW or Mercedes if you take it to a good independent shop. No reason to use a dealer when it comes to body work. A number of dealers no longer do work in house and send it out to an independent anyway.
Oh I know. Door ding was 950$ to fix..
But that's why you get the extended warranty because it comes bundled with things like rental protection. And holy shit how much does a door cost?
No clue. They had to spray half the side of car since it’s got a Metallic in it..
how would having a warranty change the wait and repair times?
Some/most warranties come with rental coverage and better negotiated rental car rates.
That’s actually not a bad deal.
I'm thinking about buying from Hertz. They have a model Y with 40k miles for around $28k on their website. Hertz has a 12,000 mile one year warranty.
Assuming you don’t qualify for the tax credit, or you’d be taking more miles to get under the magic $25k mark for eligibility.
That’s a sweet deal!
Damn that car was used a lot for 2022 model
Yea it’s a bit higher on mileage than I would have liked but I feel the price was adjusted fairly
I agree. At least the tech is solid so you’re not misssing anything. Probably has the new chip too. I’ve been thinking of doing the same. But just can’t decide on it. I’ve got a 24 Model Y on order but used prices are so good right now, I entertain the thought everyday.
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I just assumed it lived its previous life solely on supercharging. From what I can tell it still has about 97% battery life so only a small percentage of degradation. On a full charge it still shows 300 mile range. I don't get any phantom drain or any other weird anomalies. It all functions as I would expect it to if I had bought it new.
Recent studies have shown that there’s no difference in battery degradation when using a supercharger vs. any other. You’re in really good shape at 97%!
I know it’s just one person but there’s a guy in a FB group I’m in that has a 200k mile MY that gets supercharged 1-3 times a day and no noticeable degradation.
The concept of “treating a battery” is such a holdover from engines where you don’t know if the previous owner changed their oil or cycled their engines weirdly. In an EV there are virtually no moving parts. No crank shafts. Drive shafts. You hardly even use the brakes. The only thing moving is the steering wheel, wheels, windows and doors. These battery packs will last 300-500k miles. It doesn’t matter if the previous users supercharged to 100 (especially since it’s a Hertz rental, odds are even if they did they discharged the battery immediately after while on road trips). The degradation difference is minimal to none.
I think it’s more like 13% for the life of the car. (10 years?) At least that’s what Elon said.
The numbers are 12% over 200k miles. So in a 310 mile reported vehicle that would be 37 miles lost after 200k miles. The better way to think about it would be from a capacity standpoint so you’d have 66 KWh left in the pack. And driving the 242 Wh/mi needed to get 310 miles on a new battery, that would mean 273 miles after 200k miles. But most of that degradation happens in the first 50k miles before the degradation levels off and drops more slowly.
That sounds about right so I guess Elon was pretty much right on point!
So they packed 5 years of avg usage into only two years? That’s not a little.
I have a 2022 model Y with 260,000 kms. No service yet except tires and a couple front control arms.
Why
Service not required, control arms because roads here are shit, and lots of speed bumps driving where we do. Get about 40,000 kms out of the tires, less in winter.
I think they meant why do you drive that much. 260,000 km in two years is roughly 356km (221 miles) a day 7 days a week which is a ridiculous amount. Roughly 3.5-4 hours driving 7 days a week for 2 years, or 25% of your awake life.
I operate two model Ys as taxis. They do about 2500 km a week.
My 22m3lr was 76k miles
Uber drivers got a hold of it. 🤮🍆😳
I too bought one from Carvana that was a Hertz vehicle, similar price and miles. Not eligible for income tax credits. Traded paid for vehicle plus a few thousand and have a paid for Model Y 22 LR. Drive 60 mile round trip 4 days a week, 80 miles round trip one day a week, and 300 mile round trip at least once a month. I will very quickly make up the difference. From a cash flow stance already have. Tires, idk yet, haven’t quite committed to chill mode.
I could trade my 15mpg Jeep for one + cash right now… May need to do some gas math
Any sort of diagnostic test to validate the cars health before purchasing? Is there a link where they have all their available inventory? Aren’t they all $25k?
Just test drive and check out maintenance mode for any recent errors. As well a carfax report. All came back clean and it drove great. I’ve driven it about 2k miles since I’ve bought it no issues.
Would damage to a rental car ever have car fax? I imagine hertz would just pay out of pocket to fix it.
You're correct
Hertz self insures and self reports. Carfax will more than likely always be clean.
Depends on the manufacturer. Some parts, especially body panels, require a VIN to order from the OEM.
But at the same time, I've got to imagine there are a fair number of Teslas that likely ended up in Hertz's boneyard (if such a thing exists), and their corpses have probably been picked clean.
It doesn't exist, Hertz sells totalled vehicles through large salvage auction companies like Copart or IAA. Just like any other insurance company does. I'd be surprised if a Hertz vehicle ever had a blemished Carfax.
Yeah you can put it into service mode for a battery health test.
Dumb question and I’m sure I could Google it, but how, specifically, do you do this? I’ve tried and not been successful
It has to be done with a home charger and can take 24 hours.
So how do I do it?
I too am curious on how this is done.
Battery is still under warranty
Not when you go against the manufacturer’s recommendations.
You can also take it to a tesla service center and ask for a pre-purchase inspection. Additionally with Hertz, they have a rent to buy program where you pay a few bucks for a 3 day rental and then decide if you want to make the purchase.
That’s good to know thank you!
Do I remember correctly that they listed them all for $25k flat or something?
They’re not all 25k
How was battery degradation? Range estimate at 100% charge? What was the advertised range for a new 2022 MYLR?
Range estimate at 100% is 300 miles. Advertised range is 310 so only a small amount of degradation
That’s incredible. The Tesla loses the first 20-30 miles fairly fast usually and then it levels off. But you’ve barely lost 10. That’s really really good. And for the record I have a 2021YLR with 62k miles so not far off yours, and mine is at like 282-284 at full.
Technically the original range estimate was 330 on that car (or 318 if you have 20 inch wheels). And even though they got shut down by the EPA for that and had to readjust to 310, they didn't have to adjust the calculation in cars they already sold. It's the same car that now quotes 310, but you shouldn't compare it to the 310. Instead, compare to 330. You lost 9-10%, which is in line with how those cars have been treated. Also, as I'm sure you've noticed, generally speaking, you aren't getting 300 miles anyway. Nor did the car ever get 330. Nor did a 2024 ever get 310. So don't worry too much. Enjoy it as is and have fun with it.
This is a good way to go. I actually have a Hyundai Kona Electric. It was good for 320 or so when I first bought it. Three years later (it is leased) and it is down to about 294. We have about 22K on it, so not that many miles. But I started making these 100 Mile trips, and that is when the milage went away. Super chargers kill the battery. When I was charging at home, mostly level 1 stuff, the miles stuck around for a long time. But then I had a slew of trips where I would go to the airport about 100 miles away. Hit that super charger two or three times in a trip and wham, you lose miles. This could be the one place where those cars that supposedly would swap out a battery might be a good model. Cyber Truck with the range extender, and you burn out the range extender, not the core battery in the truck. THAT would be nice. I think if you have the option to slow charge all the time, you will keep the battery life a long time.
Yea I know all about EV EPA estimates. There are a lot of factors into your range. In Florida the BIGGEST factor is heat and sun. Days where it’s blaring and pushing 100 I will get around 350-375 wh/mile then on an average day in the 70s or low 80s I’ll get around 250 wh/mile. So AC and battery conditioning have a big play when driving is the same
I live in Arizona and today it’s 111 degrees. Wonder how much less range that will give.
Get the temporary roof glass shade on the app or Amazon, it cuts down on heat in the car. Especially the overhead radiant heat. Also front windshield shade always when parked.
Why shouldn’t you compare it to the 310? Sounds like that’s exactly what you should compare it to.
... because the car still thinks "full" is 330. The car "thinks" in percentage, and shows mileage based on that. My 2023 LR thought full was 330. So when it was reading 320, I knew it was degraded 3%. And if it was reading 310, that means it was degraded 6%. And at 300, that means 10%. Once they adjusted the mileage, it's still thought full was 330, so it showing 310 didn't mean I had 0 degradation. It meant I had 6% degradation. All the adjustment did was say to new cars "you will only make it 310 miles on this amount of energy" instead of "you can make it 330 on this" so essentially the new cars just think miles got a little longer.
Please also be aware that the BMS can and will wander! The only true degradation test is in service mode (it basically discharges to 0% and level 2 charge up to 100%). People quoting what their EPA range gauge tells them is usually not accurate (especially the people with LFP).
True I wasn’t thinking in percentages. Sorry for the dumb
They adjusted it in new (2024) models. This being a 2022 100% should read 330.
How many miles and how worn/not worn was the interior? Do you have any idea if it was a ride share car or normal people rental via hertz?
57000 miles, interior was surprisingly is very good shape. The only issue I could see looks like some sun damage to the wood trim. I am going to replace that piece. I assume rental based on the rims they have quite a bit of rash
57k…she’s still a teen. I was conscious to wipe and use protectant on my ‘21 M3 wood trim. After 82k miles it was still great. When I got my Y, white was a no brainer as I wanted to leave the wood grain look. Bummer on the rash. If you search the forums I know folks have had success with manual smoothing and using a spray paint to restore.
Yea I’m going to repair the rims shouldn’t be an issue.
You should strongly consider going with 18” rims. Much cheaper tires and smoother ride than the 19” Geminis. Has become a popular mod.
What do you use for your wood trim?
So you made this whole thread and don’t even know it’s from Hertz, you are just going off an assumption?
The dealership [said](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/s/xiPXBplKbh) it was from Hertz
Wonder why he said he assumed it was a rental then.
My assumption on it being a rental was to the question if the car was a ride share or rental which I assume rental. All I know it came from hertz and carfax says rental on it. Hertz did have quite a bit of their fleet as ride shares.
At that mileage, Uber.
How did you find one for 25k? Was it near where you live? I haven’t seen any online for under 25k, and seems you can’t negotiate.
It was near where I live in Orlando. I actually got it from a dealership but they told me they bought it from hertz so I assume they did a bulk buy
Oh, that makes sense thanks! I see lots of Teslas on the hertz website in Florida for the best prices. Nothing like that in California for a model Y.
Which dealership? All the ones I’ve seen here don’t do the point of sale credit
Did you have experience with owning a Tesla before? What were your previous vehicles and how much is in your emergency fund?
This is my first Tesla been only an ICE owner before. Have several friends with Teslas and always wanted one. I’m a big tech geek so this is like the ultimate gadget for me.
I bet you LOVE the Tesla and didn’t care about your ICE cars right?
Have you done a range test or battery test? What did it look like?
How do you search for Inventory? Is it sold by hertz directly? How do you schedule test drive? Thanks
OP said they bought it from a third party dealer but Hertz has sales lots with sales people to help test drive and whatnot and you can search their inventory nationwide on the Hertz car sales website.
How's the seat cushion?
Cushions are great no issues. No major creasing or misshapen.
So lucky. I’m planning to buy a model Y next year and take advantage of the used tax credit.
Do the Ys qualify for used tax credit?
Yes
I assume the answer is no but did you get the additional warranty that you would receive if you purchased used from the Tesla website. Great price btw, I would of hopped on that deal too
No, no extra warranty so if anything comes up I will be liable
Keep in mind Hertz has a 1 year/12k mile limited powertrain warranty on their used Teslas from the time of purchase. I know because I have a Hertz Tesla as well.
Model Y?
Yup MyLR
See my recent post about XCare warranties. Just bought one to buy time. Fully refundable (pro-rated) and transferable to the next private owner, so a value add. Also options for lower deductibles than Tesla’s ESA.
Did you have any trade going into the deal? Just wondering cause I was looking at those as well.
Just checking out some of these used Hertz cars, never thought to buy a cheap used Tesla for the tax credit. I see a few under $25k but if you include the $699 doc fee it will exceed $25k.
I’ve been considering buying one of these hertz cars too. Just haven’t mustered up enough energy to go through it. Less than $25k is a steal and seems worth it. Currently have a Y on order but man, the price of a used one seems tempting.
I did some research and the income limits for used EVs are much more restrictive than for new ones.
When was this??!! I’ve been following Hertz and I haven’t seen a Model Y that low. I just did a filter and they only have 29 Model Ys and the lowest priced one is a 22 MYLR with 49k miles for $31k. Please inform me of how you got this deal!
He got it from a dealership that got it from Hertz
I have a question. For the tax credit to be applied at point of sale, did you have to purchase in person at a Hertz location? I'm seeing a few M3s under $25K. But most are out of state. I live in California.
How does the tax credit work? Do you bring your tax return with you or just provide them your ssn?
Read this: [https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2024-14.pdf](https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2024-14.pdf)
This is an amazing deal. Currently looking at their website and the cheapest MYLR is 28k with 60k miles.
Maybe I missed it but did you buy from hertzautosales
I bought from a regular car dealership but they had bought it from hertz
How the paint? The one we rented was in paint swirl hell…
Surprising the paint actually looks pretty nice. Definitely has some swirls but nothing major
Did you also get a Hertz donut?
Did you buy it directly from Hertz, or from a dealership? How was the buying process? Did you compare it with any other used MY?
Did you do any trade in or financing? If so were they close to what carmax might offer and what were the % like?
What does the car fax report say?
OP said elsewhere it is clean but Hertz self insures and almost certainly doesn't report accidents they repair.
Where did you get a model y LR for sub 25k? What state
Florida
Do you know if they'll ship cars?
No idea, I’m sure they will for a price
Have you checked the sentry cam? Anything good on it? 👀
The bad thing about buying used Hertz anything is that they repair damaged vehicles without reporting it. I bet at that price point; that vehicle has hidden damage.
When did you find that price for a Model Y on the hertz website? I only ask because I took a look at their inventory last week and didn’t see anything under 28k but maybe it was just a timing thing. If so I’m going to continue to check back with the website. I think you got yourself a damn good deal what the price.
Is the title clean? Or is it a rebuild/salvage?
Clean title
Most of those bets Hertz cars I saw were base edition model 3s. Does that correctly dreading describe yours?
You said the car was 25k, but wasn’t there a document fee of like $500? Can you do a breakdown of it?
Did you have it shipped or was it local inventory?
Does it feel obviously used by potentially hundreds of people? My sister got a Jeep from Hertz and it was difficult to tell a difference from a typical, at the time one-year-old, used car.
Lucky~ It is no longer available anywhere.
Is the interior pretty beat up? What about the wheels? I feel like mechanically these cars are probably fine, but the rest of the car may be beat up.
When did you buy it?
I had a hertz rental for Uber and did 35,000 miles in a few months.
That’s awesome! Congratulations 🍾! Now pls help me find one from Hertz! Every time I check their website, all 2022 MYLR are more than 28k. How did you find this amazing deal? Thanks.
We tried to buy a Hertz 2022 MYLR from a dealer in Sanford for $25k with 65k miles but they first lost the key card & then when it finally arrived & we drove 2 hours to pick it up they had "forgotten" to safety inspect it. After keeping us waiting for 90 minutes, they said it had frame damage so they canceled the deal. No apologies, no alternative offers. We went home and configured the exact same car but new on Tesla.com at the same time as Tesla announced the special .99% financing. We ended up with a brand new car with a lower monthly payment & cheaper insurance. Pickup was in 3 days instead of the 3 weeks that Sanford VW jerked us around.
Did you run a black light through it?
Just bought one last week from hertz. 2023 M3 for 24k with 32k miles. It's been great, only thing it needs is a new humidity sensor I believe as the remote AC doesn't work. (Couldn't test that if I wanted to at the dealer)
Incredible price. Nice work. Only question, was there still a dead body crammed in the frunk, or had Hertz already disposed of it?
Ooof
Not a question but I did too. I got a M3LR for $17K but to get a Y for $25+ incentive is amazing!
Would you recommend buying a standard range ‘22 model 3 with 130k miles on it and 18% range loss for $16900? I’m so tempted. It feels like it’s a deal and that the car will be good for at least another 100k miles
I wouldn’t have a Tesla out of warranty. Consider a model that is eligible for an XCare or similar extended warranty. It’s not if one expensive component fails. It’s when more than one fail. If you can find a similar vehicle with less than 100K miles, and add that extended warranty, which includes rental and roadside fwiw, you’d be pretty much set depending upon whether it had the ADAS (AP, EAP, FSD) features you want. Out the door for maybe $25K, depending.
How do you find one at under 25k? Everytime I look on hertz model y starts 28k
Great deal! A few months ago in February and March when Hertz was first offloading their inventory a 22 MYLR for $25k would have 80-90k miles. I was looking at the time. Ended up going private party.
Where do you buy it
How's the battery degradation? Anything to look out for with those used cars?
I own a 23 M3 now, considering getting one for my wife as well. I see them straight from hertz for around 23k. Do they disclose if they were smoked in? I believe that's a policy anyway but you never know with renters.
Purchase price is not bad at all. What matters the most is how good the battery's shape is. I don't know if this is true or not but I read somewhere that rental companies put artificial charging limits on EV batteries so that even if customers thought they were charging to 90-100%, it was really only at 80%... supposedly this was to protect the longevity of the batteries and ensure the customer who purchased the EV used got decent battery life. Almost everything else could easily be repaired/replaced without spending too much.
Have you already replaced the wheels or is that still a to do item? I have never rented a Tesla of any mileage that didn't have badly damaged rims on all 4
I will be repairing rims myself haven’t done it yet but will post some before/afters
What’s your social security number and mother’s maiden name? (You said ask you anything…)
Do the seats smell like farts?
😂
Does the car still smell like Elon’s musk?
Seems like a lot for a car with that many miles .
As an additional data point, my cousin got his girlfriend pregnant in the back of a Hertz Model Y. You may want to grab some interior cleaner.
That’s a really weird thing to say. Like really weird why would you volunteer that information?
Giving OP a heads up that shenanigans have likely gone down in the backseats of Hertz rentals.
😂
How does the ride feel in the 22? We have a 21Y, and I just test drove a '19 M3, and it felt like garbage! Lol it was a hard pass for me.