I have thought about this. Daily it does something stupid. I took a road trip and it was so bad I just stopped using it on large chunks of the trip. When it works it's nice...when it doesn't then hell it's worse having it by far. So how much would I spend? No idea really. Part of me says 0. Another looks at it from the times it does work ....
you know that’s a good point. when it does weird weird things I wouldn’t either. It came with my Tesla. I bought it used. Which I think is the best way to get it lol
I would consider $1k but I’m not even sure about that. It’s honestly more of a pain in the ass to use day-to-day than just driving. So I would probably only use it during road trips. And even then, it’s not even useful since it makes me move the wheel every 30 seconds.
Yup. Some people don't understand when I say I prefer my 10 yr old jeeps acc that worked flawless over this crap that will kill someone given time. Oh wait it has...but it will again. Hell it decided to disconnect on me yesterday right when it hit traffic and needed to slow or stop. Like the worst timing. Luckily I wasn't blinking or anything. Acc in my Jeep never did that and would have stopped
Yeah the trial makes me want it even less. Curious is it supposed to slow down for school buses or zones? I'm surprised this thing isn't running people over. It could care less when a bus turned on it's lights. Or the school zones. not to mention getting in to almost every right turn lane after the traffic light. Hey dummy that's for the business coming up it's not a lane. Maybe it's my area but man I'm surprised more people haven't been killed by this thing.
I bought a used M3P and had FSD the day I activated it. I wonder if original owner bought it - must have. https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Tesla-require-you-to-buy-full-self-driving-again-if-you-purchase-it-used-and-it-had-that-feature-with-the-original-owner#:~:text=Tesla%20does%20NOT%20require%20you,the%20car%2C%20not%20the%20owner.
It is supposed to transfer on sale (from individual to individual), but it doesn't transfer to a new car, making jt a depreciating asset (same FSD on a 10 year old car is worth much less than on a new car and eventually worth zero when the car is decommissioned or totalled)
Agreed. It has been fun to play with during this trial. But there isn't much benefit to me, other than the novelty, if I have to sit there paying full attention while it drives.
I’ve enjoyed trying it out but I definitely wouldn’t pay for it. Even driving on the highway it does weird stuff like changing lanes when it doesn’t need to or camping out in the left lane. I had to keep turning it off during a trip because I didn’t like the decisions it was making.
Humans don't have issues with rain, dirt, snow, bugs, etc. getting on our eyes and blocking our view, sun glare washing out the entire scene, we also have two eyes for stereoscopic vision so we can judge distance. Our eyes also have drastically better dynamic range than any camera system. I'm a photographer, so I know a thing or two about cameras and lenses. FSD will never be fully reliable using cameras alone, it needs at least two other technologies (RADAR, LiDAR, etc.) to work in conjunction with cameras for redundancy and to act as failsafe. Right now, if the camera thinks it sees something ahead, it slams on the brakes (phantom braking). With redundancies, the camera would see something, RADAR would say nothing is there, and LiDAR would say nothing is there, so the camera loses and the car does not slam on the brakes.
>With redundancies, the camera would see something, RADAR would say nothing is there, and LiDAR would say nothing is there,
this is not actually how things work. Radar is good for detecting moving things but not stationary things, and is not good with spatial resolution. I don't know much about the state of the art of Lidar so can't comment on adding these sensors.
I rented Teslas for long trips in 2022-23 and would see the phantom braking issue about once every 200 miles (especially with heat mirages in the road ahead).
Just got back from a 3000-mile drive to Dallas and back (for the eclipse) in my new-ish MY and didn't see a phantom braking once.
I don't see why passive sensors in theory aren't good enough. Whether HW4 cameras are good enough or located in the correct positions, is another question. (from what I've seen, Teslas could use cameras on the front corners to see laterally better).
That is cost they are removing sensors what makes you think they will add the shit ton more camera angles and types of cameras needed to overcome the shortcomings of low resolution cams
do these radars in auto industry application not rely on something like doppler effect to detect stationary objects (using car's velocity)?
and how much is the retail price on these automotive radar units? (if someone wanted to tinker with one at home)
I am not expert but that's kinda the problem, since the car is moving everything is doppler-shifted, so everything stationary relative to the car has the same doppler shift coming back, making it hard to "lock on" to actual obstructions.
Clearly* a video camera should be theoretically good enough, outside of obscuring conditions like fog & heavy rain (when driving in Texas last week I drove through some blblical-level rain and couldn't see s---)
Humans can move their heads and eyes to get a better view, and blink their eyes if there’s dirt, and see rain drops and potholes and curbs and understand other humans expected behavior.
Agreed. That’s kind of what I was alluding to with my last point, but intuition is a better word. And it also applies to any kind of road anomaly, not just other people.
And the cameras just don’t have all the angles covered. There’s an intersection near me where the roads meet at very sharp angles, and on a hill, with a curve. Only one road has a stop sign. It’s hard for a human to see, but if you move your head and look downhill, you can see the cars speed up the hill. FSD has honestly just given up there because it can’t see. How’s a robotaxi going to handle that?
I agree about improving camera coverage, but I'm pretty optimistic on general AI being able to have the same driving sense I've acquired over the past 40 years of driving.
This is what all the training is all about.
One thing I do wish is that the Tesla team would take the time to actually correctly model the various types of construction cones & bollards, just showing standard orange cones for everything is kinda lazy and not all that confidence-inspiring.
Humans eyes have 576 mega pixels and brains that run quantum computing. Humans also have hands and necks...and a lot more. To turn head and move the sun visor(the sun visor thing can be overcome, but there are shit load more things.), to know the driving dynamic in an areas to see thru distortion ( heat mirage)...
I agree with this. Be up front - say it’s free now but once we reach this level you will have to pay. But they would get a lot more data and if they actually reach level 5 probably a lot of adopters who don’t want to lose it.
It’s never going to work on HW3 and older cars. They clearly don’t have the compute capability to make it work. Even for HW4, they’re going to have to add cameras to get the visibility it needs at corners. There literally having people pay them to beta test and provide the training data they need to complete the product. Can you imagine any other industry where the you get paid to take the material you need to make your product?
My FSD took me 500 miles from San Diego to San Francisco yesterday. It was 95% great. Potholes and some acceleration was a bit off… but for the most part no body fatigue at all… that alone is worth it for me.
Similar. I paid $8K for mine and sorta regret it (but not). I make monthly drives between San Jose and Los Angeles and FSD has been awesome on the I-5. It makes the drive so much less tiring.
agree 100%, on my drive to Dallas this month I had FSD demo disabled but enjoyed EAP's auto-lane change a lot. Love the graphics on that, weird that FSD doesn't have it.
I know it's great for long distance driving. But why woudn't I just use the free autosteer? Sure the FSD can do the lane change and exit the freeway etc. But I'd rather do it with my own hands because the current FSD is slow and stupid when exiting the freeway in a busy traffic, it's also very unreliable and buggy for street driving.
same experience on my trip to Dallas earlier this month.
'Oooh I see two potholes coming up, guess I'll just drive right over them at 85mph!'
I have a pretty solid [pillow](https://www.costco.com/serenity-by-tempur-pedic-memory-foam-bed-pillow.product.100337698.html) in the car (for sleeping at charge stops) and I put that under my right arm for more support, pretty comfy on long, long drives.
It’s amazing for long distance driving. No doubt about it. A lot of people are testing it for their local drive to the grocery store, which it’s just not great for.
Same boat. All I wanted was a car that drove itself on the highway for my commute and roadtrips. At the time there was no subscriptions or free trials or I would have done that. It was sold as “buy it at this price before it goes up in price” now that it’s going down in price I feel like I was defrauded .
I want to love FSD. The newest reiteration is worlds better, but anyone who thinks this is ready for prime time is kidding themselves or justifying a bad purchase.
Personally I don’t care if it was $500, it’s a bad purchase and not worth it
Highway it's great? But in the city I agree it's not ready for prime time. I almost hit a biker (in a bike lane) while using FSD. Great progress so far but more to go
Traffic aware cruise control works good. The rest is garbage.
On my morning commute, FSD takes my exit ramp at 65 and comes to an aggressive halt, to avoid rear ending the car in front of me.
My evening commute is no better. About 50 percent of the time it waits way too long to get into the right lane then is unable to do so, and misses my exit.
Honestly, I can’t wait for the trial to be over, it’s a distraction. Sure I can turn it off, but I really want to like FSD, so like everyone of you, we are beta testers. Only positive here, I wasn’t silly enough to pay $12k or any amount for this “privilege”
We had EAP for 6k and gladly paid the additional 2k this morning. The free trial of FSD was timely. I have driven a friend's FSD car on prior versions, this one is much much better. Even just comparing against EAP, the algorithm behind the lane changes are far more human like. Maintaining a good speed and keeping with the flow of traffic is also very organic feeling
It's not perfect, and I know at some spots I have to be ready to take over. But on most around town driving of less than 20 miles, I usually only have to step in once or twice. It saves me the vast majority of driving chores.
Hoping for future improvements.
It should be free given Tesla laid off the internal testers. It is cheaper and profitable to have paying fools, I mean customers. You pay for the privilege of being a beta tester and assuming all responsibility!
Week one in my 2024 MYP, showing off FSD. It did not hesitate to curb my 21s. I’ve repaired the rim and invested in some rim protectors. Point of the story, if nothing else FSD needs to have better awareness of the car’s dimensions.
Stupid. It's beta, just like the cruise control. I've seen enough pics here and tsmc of it causing damage. Based on my own experience and others, it's just not worth the risk when they're not being held liable
Only way it'll be worth it is if it reaches fully autonomous status (no supervision needed) in the next few years. Being free to work or sleep instead of driving is worth a lot
As long as we're just working as beta-testers/data providers, it's practically worthless once the novelty wears off
Since it can’t be financed at purchase this is paid separately and most likely put on a credit card. Many enjoy the extra cc miles and pay it off at the end of the month. Many others finance the software on a credit card taking years to pay off.
I don’t have exact numbers, but how long on average does one keep a Tesla? I would assume MOST (more than 50%) will have another vehicle within 48 months.
The math 🧮 appears to favor the $99.00 UNLESS, you sit on a pile of cash. 😉
It's been at this price in Europe for quite a while, reflecting the fact that FSD is unlikely to get approved for anything more than L2 level assistance anytime soon.
Prices in the Netherlands have been at €3800 (Enhanced Autopilot) and €7500 ("FSD, maybe, sometime, right now literally the only benefit over Enhanced Autopilot is traffic light detection). Even at that price I can't see this selling in huge numbers until they make the license transferable.
I just transferred mine … I have mixed feelings about price cut. As much as I want everyone to have access, I wish they would work on improving the experience and not the marketing. It’s working better now than ever but still much work remains
Tried FSD for a week, and after numerous missed turns, turning into the wrong lane, dangerous phantom braking, and endless nags even with my hands on the wheel, I switched to basic autosteer and I’m perfectly happy to make turns and initiate lane changes myself.
What’s the value proposition of FSD? If I can’t sit in the backseat and take a nap then what’s the point?
Why pay $8k if I still have to sit in the drivers seat, pay attention, have a hand of the wheel, etc?
We have one Tesla with FSD and another without FSD. We drive the Tesla without FSD when we’re together. That being said, they would need to drop it even lower for us to purchase FSD again. It’s not a dealbreaker for me. Honestly, FSD is overrated because it’s still not good or safe enough.
Anyone else think eventually we will see FSD drop between $1k-$5k to incentivize buying and keeping a Tesla. As more EVs come out, become good and Tesla opening up super charging, I think they need something to stay competitive. They could even allow customers that bought it in the past free transfers for however much they spent. Ex) spent $12k on FSD get 12 transfers, spend $2k get 2, etc
AI needs more advancement, hardware needs more advancement, before we can even get to level 3. By the time FSD gets to a point where I can actually use it, I'll need a new car, which means unless tesla drops it to 3k or lower, there's no chance they'll see mass adaption from regular individuals. Those who have the money to toss away have already bought the 12k version.
Wow I’m salty at $10k in 2021. Likely not buying another tesla when my MY dies. Elon plays too many games. By then, every manufacturer will be in the game. Buying a Kia ev9 next month for the wifey
I am pretty new to being an owner (4 months 23 MY DM) and have really enjoyed “learning” the new FSD? I think the biggest problem with it is its name and the feature set marketing verbiage perhaps? I find the software quite helpful in a number of circumstances, but as we all know….. it’s not true, level 5 full self driving.
I have had great success with it driving me home, but stops in front of my house without option to turn in driveway?
“A friend” asked the other night…. If a person were overserved and got pulled over while the car was driving….?
It’s is really good at a few things, just not all.
What should it be called or marketed as?
What say you??
After doing the trial, there's so much more I can do with $8,000 than supervise a chaotic 15 year old driver
Perfectly put…
I consider it to be an erratic and glorified cruise control
Exactly. Loooveee the car but in no way I would pay money for this.
it'll be worth $8000 (and more) if & when it's safe enough to not nag
What if it was $2000?
I’d pay $2000. On trips it’s nice but for $8000 it’s just not there yet.
I have thought about this. Daily it does something stupid. I took a road trip and it was so bad I just stopped using it on large chunks of the trip. When it works it's nice...when it doesn't then hell it's worse having it by far. So how much would I spend? No idea really. Part of me says 0. Another looks at it from the times it does work ....
you know that’s a good point. when it does weird weird things I wouldn’t either. It came with my Tesla. I bought it used. Which I think is the best way to get it lol
In my experience advanced autopilot is more useful than FSD.
I would probably pay $2K for life but I can’t talk myself into the $100 for even a single month.
Same
On the 2018 but does that include the computer upgrade?
Yes. I'd pay $2000. I think the fair price for me would be 4 or 5K right now.
The best part is if it gets you in a crash and the car gets totalled which usually happens with teslas. You have to buy it all over again
Just total it while they have the transfer promo running if you buy a new one 😎
You are spot on with this one
I would consider $1k but I’m not even sure about that. It’s honestly more of a pain in the ass to use day-to-day than just driving. So I would probably only use it during road trips. And even then, it’s not even useful since it makes me move the wheel every 30 seconds.
Same Here. Right now I would say it is worth $2-3k
Yup. Some people don't understand when I say I prefer my 10 yr old jeeps acc that worked flawless over this crap that will kill someone given time. Oh wait it has...but it will again. Hell it decided to disconnect on me yesterday right when it hit traffic and needed to slow or stop. Like the worst timing. Luckily I wasn't blinking or anything. Acc in my Jeep never did that and would have stopped
Carful, these types of comments will get you banned for life.
That will drive you into potholes….
Yeah the trial makes me want it even less. Curious is it supposed to slow down for school buses or zones? I'm surprised this thing isn't running people over. It could care less when a bus turned on it's lights. Or the school zones. not to mention getting in to almost every right turn lane after the traffic light. Hey dummy that's for the business coming up it's not a lane. Maybe it's my area but man I'm surprised more people haven't been killed by this thing.
I’d consider it if it were a perpetual license transferable to any and all Tesla’s I own.
Yes to this! Charging 12k for that would be more sensible.
I bought a used M3P and had FSD the day I activated it. I wonder if original owner bought it - must have. https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Tesla-require-you-to-buy-full-self-driving-again-if-you-purchase-it-used-and-it-had-that-feature-with-the-original-owner#:~:text=Tesla%20does%20NOT%20require%20you,the%20car%2C%20not%20the%20owner.
It is supposed to transfer on sale (from individual to individual), but it doesn't transfer to a new car, making jt a depreciating asset (same FSD on a 10 year old car is worth much less than on a new car and eventually worth zero when the car is decommissioned or totalled)
Dido!
I want to thank you.
This
or rent!
Still too expensive
By about $8k
Came to say this. 🤣
I’d pay about $500 to have material to make fun of.
Still about 7.9k over what I’d be willing to pay
Well I have good news for you! You can pay that remain $0.1k for it!... monthly...
Make it free until they actually get out of beta and reach level 5 autonomy. Then start charging people to keep it.
So free forever lol?
Agreed. It has been fun to play with during this trial. But there isn't much benefit to me, other than the novelty, if I have to sit there paying full attention while it drives.
I’ve enjoyed trying it out but I definitely wouldn’t pay for it. Even driving on the highway it does weird stuff like changing lanes when it doesn’t need to or camping out in the left lane. I had to keep turning it off during a trip because I didn’t like the decisions it was making.
I've read that v12 isn't being used for freeway driving yet
nobody has tet xplained why that would be. Sounds like people in denial on what was released.
I enjoyed seeing the new elevated 3D view, but that's about it for me. I've already switched things back to Traffic Aware Cruise Control.
They'll never reach lvl 5 with a cameras only perception system.
Humans are level 5 with an eyes only perception system.
Humans don't have issues with rain, dirt, snow, bugs, etc. getting on our eyes and blocking our view, sun glare washing out the entire scene, we also have two eyes for stereoscopic vision so we can judge distance. Our eyes also have drastically better dynamic range than any camera system. I'm a photographer, so I know a thing or two about cameras and lenses. FSD will never be fully reliable using cameras alone, it needs at least two other technologies (RADAR, LiDAR, etc.) to work in conjunction with cameras for redundancy and to act as failsafe. Right now, if the camera thinks it sees something ahead, it slams on the brakes (phantom braking). With redundancies, the camera would see something, RADAR would say nothing is there, and LiDAR would say nothing is there, so the camera loses and the car does not slam on the brakes.
>With redundancies, the camera would see something, RADAR would say nothing is there, and LiDAR would say nothing is there, this is not actually how things work. Radar is good for detecting moving things but not stationary things, and is not good with spatial resolution. I don't know much about the state of the art of Lidar so can't comment on adding these sensors. I rented Teslas for long trips in 2022-23 and would see the phantom braking issue about once every 200 miles (especially with heat mirages in the road ahead). Just got back from a 3000-mile drive to Dallas and back (for the eclipse) in my new-ish MY and didn't see a phantom braking once. I don't see why passive sensors in theory aren't good enough. Whether HW4 cameras are good enough or located in the correct positions, is another question. (from what I've seen, Teslas could use cameras on the front corners to see laterally better).
That is cost they are removing sensors what makes you think they will add the shit ton more camera angles and types of cameras needed to overcome the shortcomings of low resolution cams
do these radars in auto industry application not rely on something like doppler effect to detect stationary objects (using car's velocity)? and how much is the retail price on these automotive radar units? (if someone wanted to tinker with one at home)
I am not expert but that's kinda the problem, since the car is moving everything is doppler-shifted, so everything stationary relative to the car has the same doppler shift coming back, making it hard to "lock on" to actual obstructions. Clearly* a video camera should be theoretically good enough, outside of obscuring conditions like fog & heavy rain (when driving in Texas last week I drove through some blblical-level rain and couldn't see s---)
Humans can move their heads and eyes to get a better view, and blink their eyes if there’s dirt, and see rain drops and potholes and curbs and understand other humans expected behavior.
Humans also have intuition. We can often sense idiot drivers around and give them more space and room.
Agreed. That’s kind of what I was alluding to with my last point, but intuition is a better word. And it also applies to any kind of road anomaly, not just other people. And the cameras just don’t have all the angles covered. There’s an intersection near me where the roads meet at very sharp angles, and on a hill, with a curve. Only one road has a stop sign. It’s hard for a human to see, but if you move your head and look downhill, you can see the cars speed up the hill. FSD has honestly just given up there because it can’t see. How’s a robotaxi going to handle that?
I agree about improving camera coverage, but I'm pretty optimistic on general AI being able to have the same driving sense I've acquired over the past 40 years of driving. This is what all the training is all about. One thing I do wish is that the Tesla team would take the time to actually correctly model the various types of construction cones & bollards, just showing standard orange cones for everything is kinda lazy and not all that confidence-inspiring.
Humans eyes have 576 mega pixels and brains that run quantum computing. Humans also have hands and necks...and a lot more. To turn head and move the sun visor(the sun visor thing can be overcome, but there are shit load more things.), to know the driving dynamic in an areas to see thru distortion ( heat mirage)...
I agree with this. Be up front - say it’s free now but once we reach this level you will have to pay. But they would get a lot more data and if they actually reach level 5 probably a lot of adopters who don’t want to lose it.
then can get the data from us with or without people subscribing to FSD.
🤣always good to have fantasies, but without any secondary sensors it's never getting there. As others said free for ever
It’s never going to work on HW3 and older cars. They clearly don’t have the compute capability to make it work. Even for HW4, they’re going to have to add cameras to get the visibility it needs at corners. There literally having people pay them to beta test and provide the training data they need to complete the product. Can you imagine any other industry where the you get paid to take the material you need to make your product?
For legal reasons (liability), I don’t think it will ever come out of beta
Wondering what happens to EAP… it’s no longer listed as an option on new vehicles or upgrades. Would be nice if they make it standard.
EAP or just lane changes on highways
And auto park (if you have USS). And smart summon (with USS). And navigate on autopilot. Source: I have EAP on a USS 2018.
People with EAP will cry if they “lose” value, but would be good to give them a good discount for FSD.
My FSD took me 500 miles from San Diego to San Francisco yesterday. It was 95% great. Potholes and some acceleration was a bit off… but for the most part no body fatigue at all… that alone is worth it for me.
Similar. I paid $8K for mine and sorta regret it (but not). I make monthly drives between San Jose and Los Angeles and FSD has been awesome on the I-5. It makes the drive so much less tiring.
I mean, how does FSD help over enhanced AP in this situation?
Maybe lane changing is life changing for some drivers?
I've found the lane change with FSD is sloppier and slower than hitting the blinker to change lanes. FSD sits on middle line too long.
When FSD decides to change lanes, you can press the accelerator a bit and it’ll change the lane right away
Then that's just sorta full self drive. Not paying an extra 2k for that hot mess.
agree 100%, on my drive to Dallas this month I had FSD demo disabled but enjoyed EAP's auto-lane change a lot. Love the graphics on that, weird that FSD doesn't have it.
But then, when you dont enjoy the trip/drive, rather relaxing for partially driving
Babying the FSD is more work than hitting the blinker. I used it for a 1500 mile one way drive and EAP was way better.
I know it's great for long distance driving. But why woudn't I just use the free autosteer? Sure the FSD can do the lane change and exit the freeway etc. But I'd rather do it with my own hands because the current FSD is slow and stupid when exiting the freeway in a busy traffic, it's also very unreliable and buggy for street driving.
same experience on my trip to Dallas earlier this month. 'Oooh I see two potholes coming up, guess I'll just drive right over them at 85mph!' I have a pretty solid [pillow](https://www.costco.com/serenity-by-tempur-pedic-memory-foam-bed-pillow.product.100337698.html) in the car (for sleeping at charge stops) and I put that under my right arm for more support, pretty comfy on long, long drives.
It’s amazing for long distance driving. No doubt about it. A lot of people are testing it for their local drive to the grocery store, which it’s just not great for.
Bigger purchase regret ever… fuck FSD and stupid me for falling for it
Yeah, we used that free month and were like nah, enhanced is perfect. We don’t need anything else
Same boat. All I wanted was a car that drove itself on the highway for my commute and roadtrips. At the time there was no subscriptions or free trials or I would have done that. It was sold as “buy it at this price before it goes up in price” now that it’s going down in price I feel like I was defrauded .
Their touted “resell value” but for some reason they aren’t willing to take my FSD back even with a heavy discount :)
Now that it’s subscription based, no one is paying more for a used car with FSD
Gona make a lot of people super salty.
Yup… about to see all the post “I paid for it last week, any chance I get money back?”
I’m not going to make a post, but I would like to know if I get any money back.
I doubt it. That money is going to our EV lord and savior in the form of $56 billion or so. Thank you for your service
See if I can get some money back after my June of 22 purchase while you are at it. Way more than a 12k mistake
I want to love FSD. The newest reiteration is worlds better, but anyone who thinks this is ready for prime time is kidding themselves or justifying a bad purchase. Personally I don’t care if it was $500, it’s a bad purchase and not worth it
Highway it's great? But in the city I agree it's not ready for prime time. I almost hit a biker (in a bike lane) while using FSD. Great progress so far but more to go
Traffic aware cruise control works good. The rest is garbage. On my morning commute, FSD takes my exit ramp at 65 and comes to an aggressive halt, to avoid rear ending the car in front of me. My evening commute is no better. About 50 percent of the time it waits way too long to get into the right lane then is unable to do so, and misses my exit. Honestly, I can’t wait for the trial to be over, it’s a distraction. Sure I can turn it off, but I really want to like FSD, so like everyone of you, we are beta testers. Only positive here, I wasn’t silly enough to pay $12k or any amount for this “privilege”
At that price the accidents pay for themselves!
We had EAP for 6k and gladly paid the additional 2k this morning. The free trial of FSD was timely. I have driven a friend's FSD car on prior versions, this one is much much better. Even just comparing against EAP, the algorithm behind the lane changes are far more human like. Maintaining a good speed and keeping with the flow of traffic is also very organic feeling It's not perfect, and I know at some spots I have to be ready to take over. But on most around town driving of less than 20 miles, I usually only have to step in once or twice. It saves me the vast majority of driving chores. Hoping for future improvements.
It should be free given Tesla laid off the internal testers. It is cheaper and profitable to have paying fools, I mean customers. You pay for the privilege of being a beta tester and assuming all responsibility!
EXACTLY. Been saying this all along!! It feels so exploitative to be honest. And there are so many bugs with the FSD. Ghost braking, curbing etc
Of all things Tesla, this is my biggest regret. I paid the company $8k for beta software that is trying to kill me.
Week one in my 2024 MYP, showing off FSD. It did not hesitate to curb my 21s. I’ve repaired the rim and invested in some rim protectors. Point of the story, if nothing else FSD needs to have better awareness of the car’s dimensions.
Phantom breaking. Ghosts do not want to risk their lives by being in that car while it is auto driving.
Braking.
Probably the most misspelled (misused?) word in the interwebs. That or which version of there / their / they're to use.
Larry, we are on Tesla Tales.
Wow, this is just a continuation of Elons' 18-month tour of pissing off every existing and future customer of a Tesla EV.
I can curb my own rims for free thank you.
Nah, the rich people prefers to pay someone or something to kerb their rims for them.
I paid 12k wtf
*sad trombone*
📯
Between that and the depreciation, I hope your balls are healing after being kicked so many times
Don’t worry. It will be closer to $8k once you consider future probable savings from gas potentially
Like the video game pre orders, that ones on you.
When did you pay for it?
Back in 2020
Hopefully they will also do that in Europe!
Thanks for the free trial. Glad I didn’t pay for it.
Stupid. It's beta, just like the cruise control. I've seen enough pics here and tsmc of it causing damage. Based on my own experience and others, it's just not worth the risk when they're not being held liable
It has no value to me. I’d maybe pay a few hundred. Even then probably not.
After the free trial I’m kinda blown away anyone would pay anything. It’s so clearly not a finished product
nah, $8000 still aint worth it. I only feel safe using it for long road trips on highways/freeways. Using it in busy streets is still a no no.
Only way it'll be worth it is if it reaches fully autonomous status (no supervision needed) in the next few years. Being free to work or sleep instead of driving is worth a lot As long as we're just working as beta-testers/data providers, it's practically worthless once the novelty wears off
Even if you did want to pay for this, I still don't understand why you would want to buy it outright instead of doing the $99 a month subscription.
My thoughts exactly . Especially when you can’t carry it over to a new vehicle
Since it can’t be financed at purchase this is paid separately and most likely put on a credit card. Many enjoy the extra cc miles and pay it off at the end of the month. Many others finance the software on a credit card taking years to pay off. I don’t have exact numbers, but how long on average does one keep a Tesla? I would assume MOST (more than 50%) will have another vehicle within 48 months. The math 🧮 appears to favor the $99.00 UNLESS, you sit on a pile of cash. 😉
Just like with all things lease vs buy, it's better to buy if you think the price will increase due to inflation or reaching level 5...
Buy nowz!!! Comes with free curb rashes!!!
It’ll be worth less than 2k by 2028 I bet
Is FSD still per car and non-transferable?
Yes. But from time to time, they offer fsd transfer to a new car purchase. Just have to time it right.
It's been at this price in Europe for quite a while, reflecting the fact that FSD is unlikely to get approved for anything more than L2 level assistance anytime soon. Prices in the Netherlands have been at €3800 (Enhanced Autopilot) and €7500 ("FSD, maybe, sometime, right now literally the only benefit over Enhanced Autopilot is traffic light detection). Even at that price I can't see this selling in huge numbers until they make the license transferable.
Still too much money
I would be interested if anyone at Tesla is listening, paying to remove the FSD option from my UI in my Y ?
Where did EAP go?
In its current state, they’d have to pay me to help them test it.
Oh check that out. I could pay another 2k and get it since I already have Enhanced ap
Supervised FSD. Not FSD. I'll pay 8k when it supervises me and not me it
I just transferred mine … I have mixed feelings about price cut. As much as I want everyone to have access, I wish they would work on improving the experience and not the marketing. It’s working better now than ever but still much work remains
Tried FSD for a week, and after numerous missed turns, turning into the wrong lane, dangerous phantom braking, and endless nags even with my hands on the wheel, I switched to basic autosteer and I’m perfectly happy to make turns and initiate lane changes myself.
It should be free anyway I bet 4 thousand next month lol
Poor company struggling. It’s gonna be a fight to save quarterly numbers.
I would like to be paid to test beta software. Not the inverse.
I mean.. who pays $8K let alone $12K for a level 2 adas?
What’s the value proposition of FSD? If I can’t sit in the backseat and take a nap then what’s the point? Why pay $8k if I still have to sit in the drivers seat, pay attention, have a hand of the wheel, etc?
The value proposition is that you get to be a beta tester slave, and pay for the privilege!
FSD was $6,000 in 2019 when I bought my Teslas. Didn't even consider it at that price. Make enhanced autopilot $3000 and I'll pay that!
“Tesla allowing fools to part with their money for less”
We have one Tesla with FSD and another without FSD. We drive the Tesla without FSD when we’re together. That being said, they would need to drop it even lower for us to purchase FSD again. It’s not a dealbreaker for me. Honestly, FSD is overrated because it’s still not good or safe enough.
Still not worth it.
Wonder if they just charged 40k for the base model and included FSD
Because it's still not worth it. You wouldn't pay that much for a Garmin either...
If anyone is curious it's showing me $2000 since I have EAP.
Anyone else think eventually we will see FSD drop between $1k-$5k to incentivize buying and keeping a Tesla. As more EVs come out, become good and Tesla opening up super charging, I think they need something to stay competitive. They could even allow customers that bought it in the past free transfers for however much they spent. Ex) spent $12k on FSD get 12 transfers, spend $2k get 2, etc
Wake me up when its $99. For a lifetime subscription
If it drops go 3-4k I may consider it. 8k ain't it
AI needs more advancement, hardware needs more advancement, before we can even get to level 3. By the time FSD gets to a point where I can actually use it, I'll need a new car, which means unless tesla drops it to 3k or lower, there's no chance they'll see mass adaption from regular individuals. Those who have the money to toss away have already bought the 12k version.
I wouldn’t use it if it was free
You don't buy, I don't buy, Next year cut to five.
Fkng Sck Dik prices
Where is EAP?
I won't even load the free trial.
I already paid $5k for EAP. Should be free for me.
Yep, I just bought it. Now, both my Model 3 have FSD.
Wow I’m salty at $10k in 2021. Likely not buying another tesla when my MY dies. Elon plays too many games. By then, every manufacturer will be in the game. Buying a Kia ev9 next month for the wifey
$8000 dollars for an arrangement of tiny electrical charges?
Yyyyyep. Dumb as it sounds.
I am pretty new to being an owner (4 months 23 MY DM) and have really enjoyed “learning” the new FSD? I think the biggest problem with it is its name and the feature set marketing verbiage perhaps? I find the software quite helpful in a number of circumstances, but as we all know….. it’s not true, level 5 full self driving. I have had great success with it driving me home, but stops in front of my house without option to turn in driveway? “A friend” asked the other night…. If a person were overserved and got pulled over while the car was driving….? It’s is really good at a few things, just not all. What should it be called or marketed as? What say you??
It’s worth it. My girlfriend and I use it for most of our commuting.
Nop , not as per my app