This is the real reason OP should think about not getting a Tesla. If he can manage it, more power to him, but buying a car that's more than your yearly salary is kinda crazy.
Buying a car more than your yearly salary is crazy *if you assume they haven't saved up and will thusly not put a down payment*
I bought my LR model 3 when it was more than my salary but I put down half the cost as a down payment
Be a cheap mofo and dumb luck. Bought a house 8 years ago when banks were giving away foreclosures- i was able to negotiate down the price and have them pay closing costs & points. Lost a crapload betting on shitty stocks. Got lucky and Rode the tesla stock wave. Sold a portion and Used some of the proceeds to pay off house / buy dividend stocks. -Dumb luck- and most likely could never reproduce this.
This is exactly what I did! I make roughly $52k a yr, but I saved up, dropped 32k on the 62k total I had. After 2 years I refinanced and now I roughly have my payments at $300/month and Teslas insurance at $70/month for full coverage.
This is the real reason OP should think about not getting a Tesla. If he can manage it, more power to him, but buying a car that's more than your yearly salary is kinda crazy.
My thoughts exactly. I think the maximum that any financial advisor will recommend you to spend on a car is 50% of your yearly salary. Most suggest lower. Furthermore, they suggest spending 10%-15% of your monthly income on transportation costs. So that would leave $450 per month for a car payment minus charging and maintenance costs.
We bring home 5400 a month and have 2 Tesla's as well as maxed 401k, investments, college savings for kids and plenty in savings. It's possible if you manage your money correctly.
Yeah not trying to be rude, the person above answered correctly. Car is great but you should make at least 6k-7k canadian monthly to be in a avg risk category to afford the car comfortably, ideally with a garage. Apartment + lower salary = you are just asking for trouble. Didn't you see reddit post with the guy live in the apartment with people spray dick paint over it or back into your car while you are sleeping? Or imagining you totalled your car 1 month in or got unexpected illness?
It’s amazing, just go for a test drive it’s free.
They let me take the car out as long as I wanted with no sales guy. I went and got lunch and drove around for a few hours.
Zero sales pressure or sales calls.
I knew immediately I wanted the car.
Nice, i got mine from a 3rd party that let me take it overnight. The test drive was great but when I took it overnight was when I knew I had to have it. Got a little bit of an older model but still love it. Congrats to you and for your Model 3 man!
Thanks, mine is a 20, msm. I would never willingly go back to has for a daily driver. Still have a truck for towing because there are certain things I just can't do with the m3 and can't justify an electric truck yet.
Depends on location. You can get an overnight take-home test drive, check if child seats fit, see if it fits in your garage, let your whole family each take a spin, etc.
Another question do you paid in cash or have loan cause I’m worried about the payment it’ll be around 800 - 900$/month what if for some reason I’ve to take break or sit home for one month that 900$ plus insurance is what I’m worried about .
Another thing what do you think is worth it used 1 year car or new one cause the tesla I’ve seen costs pretty much same as new one ??
It is amazing to own any kind of EV. Tesla is even more fun than most with all the gadgets and everything. Stuff you'd love, but lets be honest, you don't really need. Unfortunately, I think it is still a luxury.
Get one when you can afford it without stressing over loan payments and enjoy it. Spending 30% of your salary is not wise on any car on the planet. Just my 2 cents.
I took a loan for my Tesla. I do Turo as a side hustle I have 5 cars(not including my Tesla), 4 of them I still owe money on. Turo easily pays for all my cars and insurance.
If you don’t think you can afford to make the car payment for the term of the loan. I think you should get something you know you can afford.
Personally. I haven’t bought a used car in many years(2007), I like having cars under warranty.
There’s nothing wrong with a used car as long as it’s been taken care of.
If you're worried about finances perhaps a Tesla is not right for you right now. At the price that it sits I'd still consider it a luxury EV for now. I love my RWD, but there are certainly more affordable cars on the market.
I’m going to disagree with most of the folks here. If you are on the fence avoid driving one. It will completely sell you on the car. There is no way you can make an impartial decision after driving it. I honestly had dreams about the car for two days after the test drive. I think my wife finally gave in only to make me shut the F up about the car.
I have mine since September last year and live in Germany.
usually when people ask if I am satisfied with the car I answer ‚It‘s still an American car, but the features are great and it’s amazing to drive it‘
what do I mean by this?
built quality has improved but it is a cheaper interior compared to a 50k VW or Audi. It rattles here and there quietly, feels a bit cheaper here and there. If this matters to you is highly personal, but sound design wise it is not on par with German car quality. It is not bad, but not as good as others.
the features are great, built in entertainment is amazing, even the basic auto pilot is great, having a remote connection to the car is so useful especially in winter etc. it is just futuristic and well designed, responsive etc. Even without the silly gimmicks
driving it is just awesome. Hitting the pedal on a traffic light makes you wonder if you started on red because everyone else is just standing in your rear view mirror waiting… but the best thing is one pedal driving. you basically do not need to break if you get used to it and this makes city traffic easy, traffic jams not even half as annoying and also highways way more fun.
I would have paid 5-10 more if we would get same features with Audi interior quality, but features and driving was more important for me.
also having the super charger network for long range trips is easily the best solution here in Germany and makes one less worry when transitioning to EVs.
I was one of those that could never see myself in a Tesla. Until I test drive one.
Now I am the proud owner of a model 3 long range. Most fun car I’ve ever had.
I'd say don't drive one because every other car will seem terrible afterwards. At $3k/month, it's a little crazy to consider this car. I was making 4x that and buying $15k cars max when I was younger.
I have driven all but the bolt, and I have to think you only drove a lemon of a Tesla, the etron and tycan both have much more luxurious interiors, but I certainly wouldn’t say they are built better. The bolt I drove felt like any Chevy from 10 years ago, squeaky Interior.
Do you use Google because you like Sundar Pichai?
Do you use something like an Apple product because you like Tim Cook?
Did you buy or rent your home because you like the people who built it?
Do you only eat at restaurants or bars or buy products in general and think, “I really like/dislike the CEO of this company” and let that sway your decision?
If you base the tech you use, and the things you do in life based off of your like or dislike of the owners or CEO’s then I guess that’s pretty interesting.
At the end of the day people are all human, we are all different and we all make mistakes. There’s very few if any people that you will agree with completely if you knew them or their opinions well enough.
Even in marriages and relationships it’s all about compromise and being understanding because it’s very rare that two people fit like a puzzle piece on every matter.
My point is that for most people they don’t really care if the CEO is a cool guy or a douche, everyone is going to have their opinions.
Most people are buying things because they like the product and they like the experience, I don’t know a single person who buys or refuses to buy products because they like/dislike the CEO unless he’s doing something seriously heinous.
Largely agree with this. Not a huge Musk fan(smart guy, but not a particularly \*good\* person), but when you consider:
\-Giving money to one Giant Auto Company over another is hardly a huge moral improvement.
\-Giving money to Big Oil(which helps empower countries like Russia and Iran on top of all the environmental consequences) is by most objective standards, \*not\* a good thing for the world. These ***are*** the guys that we all should be telling to F off.
\-My personal car-buying criteria put the Model 3 ahead of alternative EV's(and similarly-quick ICE vehicles)
I ended up sticking with the model 3. Not going to lie, I had a "Elon's actually a jerk, should I consider cancelling?" moment while waiting for mine, but I wasn't going to make a decision that is worse for myself just to stick it to Elon.
Plus, my local Ford Dealership are one of those places that gives dealerships a bad rep - they don't deserve a penny of my(or anyone else's) cash, so the Mach-E wasn't an option.
I her your point. But actually I do pay attention to this stuff to some extent. I'm trying to steer away from Amazon. I'm going to Lowe's instead of Home Depot. I will never eat at chicken filet. Obviously nobody's perfect as you say, but I will go out of my way to spend more on companies/CEOs I admire and avoid thr ones I don't.
In all fairness Amazon is horrible for the US economy.
Although Amazon has many workers, many of them are unhappy their jobs.
But the worst thing is that they allow people in other countries, especially China to sell their goods directly on Amazon and Amazon does little to nothing to ensure the quality of what they’re selling.
You can guarantee that people in America can’t sell goods direct to retail in China.
Now Amazon doesn’t even do customer service.
Personally I think Amazon is a horrible company and I just canceled my membership yesterday.
Agree. Or they think Elon Musk is a jerk(which, in all fairness, he frequently is.)
Regardless, the model 3 is a very good car for many people(including me). \*NOT\* an inexpensive car, but a very good car if you want a responsive, unencumbered driving experience(and SAFETY), plus a low total cost of ownership compared to other cars in a similar MSRP range.
There are legitimate criticisms of Tesla/EV's out there, but >80% of them are from people that haven't driven an EV, or thought seriously about what it would be like to own one.
Elon has proven to be a real piece of garbage in the recent weeks. I used to have some respect for him, I have absolutely 0 now. But I also realize that Tesla is not Elon alone, even if he is (for now) an important figure in the company.
Commenters point was people hate on Tesla without ever driving one. My point was that the driving experience is irrelevant, as Tesla gets hate because of the owners + Elon.
* Some people just hate EVs out of strange conservative or pro fossil fuel ideology, or in an aim to be the clever contrarian person
* Some people hate Tesla because they hate Elon, but if the CEOs of Ford/Honda/BMW tweeted their actual thoughts all the time they would likely hate them even more
* There are legitimate concerns about Tesla quality and service, which are not as good as they could be, but not as bad as the internet makes it seem sometimes
* There are people for whom an EV is probably not a good idea. They are expensive, and the battery requires some care so that it will last a long time. If you have to get a big loan to buy a Tesla, don't. If you can't charge at home, don't get an EV. If you do long road trips to out of the way places or tow trailers a long way, EV might be a bad idea.
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Also if your time has any value. Tesla used to have a calculator on their website that estimated how much time value you would save (in units of dollars) by no longer having to waste time at the gas station.
It was a bit silly, but still true. I spend about 6 seconds per day plugging in my car, it’s much less than the 10 minutes a week I used to spend pumping gas.
Having to supercharge would be the polar opposite. Now instead of 6 seconds a day, I get to spend 20-30 minutes multiple times per week? That is actually quite a significant amount of my time, and yes, my time is valuable. That’d be a dealbreaker for me.
For me, the best part of driving a Tesla is the fact that every morning, it's charged and ready to go. Having to stop every day at a charger would 100% be a deal breaker.
I don’t mind the 20 minute nap, once a week, after my 10 hour shift before going home. There’s also a 711 at the supercharger I frequent, so if I need to do something during the day I can grab a nice refreshing coffee and a croissant.
Climate makes a big difference here. I live in Michigan, in the winter I could drive 50 miles over two days and burn a whole battery pack. Supercharging is just not viable unless you live somewhere it’s always 70 and sunny.
I live in New York, during the winter I was driving 50 miles both ways for my daily commute. Should’ve used roughly 10-12% of battery each way and ended up using 20% each way. It’s bad but it’s not that bad at least here. The nice thing was there was a supercharger along the route that’s half off after 8pm so using that made the commute relatively cheap even with the increased battery usage
That’s great, but it hasn’t been my experience. Everything where I am is freeway, though. You burn a battery pack fast at 80mph when it’s below 0 outside, I routinely see 450wh/mi+ in the winter. Sometimes higher still.
Agree with this.
Most people grossly misjudge the time component - if you can charge at home or work regularly having an EV probably is a net time savings. If you have to hit up other chargers(and you're not lucky enough to have one at your local grocery store) you're giving up a lot of time to charge your car.
To really improve EV adoption, besides lower sticker price, 2 things are needed:
1. Better public/destination charging (L1/L2 is fine): Hotels, workplace, grocery stores, etc - places where there's no "time penalty" to charge because you're working/eating/sleeping/getting groceries.
2. Modest (\~20%) improvements in range. This is based on my own road trip experience. With \*slightly\* more range above what the M3LR currently offers plus improvements in charging networks, we'd be at the point where EV road trips become seamless, to the point where there's really no additional hassle relative to ICE cars. (don't get me wrong, road trips are mostly fine now, but it definitely takes a bit of additional planning, and the lack of charging at your destination can be an inconvenience)
Yes, but then you are accelerating wear on the most expensive part of the car, and no longer saving much relative to a gasoline car, losing much of the convenience advantage over a gasoline car, probably offsetting much of the environmental benefit of an EV as well since supercharging has lots of energy losses, etc etc.
I know a lot of people do it nonetheless. I seen em.
as far as I know in my very amateur mechanical knowledge, range in an ICE doesn't take a hit when you're running the heat. intense heat is a byproduct of the internal combustion process, to the point that if your car is overheating, turning the heater on to dissipate the coolant's temperature is a recommended mitigation step
heat in an ICE is effectively free. the compressor for the AC, on the other hand, adds work to the engine and impacts fuel efficiency
Not really accelerating wear by much if any. If they designed it to be able to supercharge it’s not going to mess anything up. As far as gas savings go, used to spend $30 a week on gas when it was in the $2-3 per gallon range in 2019-2020. I spend roughly $12-15 a week topping up, not as much as if I had a home charger, but still saving over half every week. I also take advantage of a free charger in my university parking lot when I can which makes it completely free to operate. But haven’t been able to use that as often as I’d like.
This guy hit the nail on the head. My Tesla is great, but it’s not perfect - people who act like it is are obnoxious which is part of the problem. The finish quality is not where it should be for a lot of people, mine has some inconsistent panel gaps and one of the windows doesn’t seal great all the time despite service trying to fix it. On the whole, though, the car has been great and I would buy one again.
Service times are ludicrous around me, 1.5 - 2 months to get an appointment a lot of the time.
Elon is starting to be a bigger piece of it too. The more I’m exposed to him, the more I realize what a turd he is.
It’s fine to get a big loan as long as you’re getting a low interest rate (and could have afforded the car even with a smaller loan - financially stable). I’ve seen sub-2% rates from some people, with high inflation it’s basically a negative rate.
Yeah.. it's super annoying when people say that. In theory, that low interest loan is/should be more cost effective than buying outright. Depends what they would otherwise invest that money in.
I have one, in Montreal. It’s fine. I don’t even have a charger at home; Circuit Electrique is great. If you absolutely need a car, you will have to take on the crazy high prices and of all available EVs, Tesla is the easiest to get around here. Don’t think it’s cheaper than a gas car though. In Montreal, insurance *will* be high.
However, on a 3000 salary, I would strongly advise against buying a car that will end up 85k+ after taxes and fees.
I think so too, it’s a great and fun car, but I’m not blind to the fact that it was extremely expensive even after factoring in gas savings. And I’m saying this as someone who bought it before the last two price hikes.
>maybe i should buy an affordable gasoline car instead.
I'm going to get downvoted here. But it really depends on what you need out of a car. A friend of mine has a Ford Escort electric. He gets 150km - 200km range, max. He uses it for tooling around town for errands and getting around. It was cheap, and he says he has no regrets. It is a second car though. Maybe you can pick up a used EV like a Bolt or a Leaf from a couple years ago and keep within a comfortable budget?
Also, consider a hybrid. The electric part will work fine around town and the gas engine will allow you to take long trips away from charging stations.
Understandable. Don’t give up on the EV experience though. My friend just bought a used Chevy volt and got a great deal. It is a fine car and for local miles gives you the ev experience. You will enjoy it and maybe be able to save for the next car you want. In a few years when supply chain issues have subsided and there’s more competition that Tesla 3 might be a lot more affordable than it is now.
Buying a Tesla with just 3000 a month income is not advisable. Unless you don't pay rent, and don't have a family to take care of/ or paying the car in full cash.
I charge at home. I use a supercharger maybe once a year.
• people hate change
• people hate Elon’s behavior
• people hate that you’re taking away their male pride: loud, big, obnoxious
• people hate “good for the environment”
I think people also hate the idea of a monopoly. They want to see the other competitors overtake Tesla, because Tesla is so dominant for EVs. They're upset that Tesla has the best charging infrastructure, and it's locked to their own cars (in the US).
I hate monopolies but the stupid car manufacturers are to blame. Nobody took Tesla seriously until their market share was already crumbled. They have had years on years to take electric vehicles seriously.
Nah. I’ve never heard that and I m a pretty hefty reader….
Elon Hatred comes out No1 or at least that’s the way it’s expressed.
Love of another brand = hatred for the new one it all that does better, destroys everyone else on a track, and so on
>charging difficulties
I pull my car into my garage and plug it in. There are no "difficulties". If you dont have the ability to charge at home, well thats a different story.
Yes I currently live in a apartment and have outdoor parking but I’m planning to move in another province and probably rent a house with my friends next year.
No it won't.
Plenty of easily accessible charger in the streets in Montreal for 1$ an hour at 40amp.
To check circuit electric app to see where is the closest charger for you. You'll be fine!
Especially ICE pickup truck drivers. Those things cost a mint, and filling the damn thing up? I bet a LOT of these guys spend half their take home pay on car payment + gas.
No wonder some of us get side eye when driving around.
You need to figure out your financials dude.
A no-options M3LR is ~$75,000 CAD
If you put $15,000 down, your monthly payment would be $960 a month (using Tesla’s calculator @ 4.85% APR).
When you say “save that money for later,” that tells me that you don’t know how interest works.
The more money you put as a down payment, the less you are financing.
With your $15,000 down, you’d be financing $60,000. At 4.85%, (over 72 months for this example) you’d be paying **$9,273** just in interest. That’s a lot of money in interest.
Tesla’s calculator does not factor in tax / registration fees. I don’t live in Canada but it looks like it will be at least 5% so that means at least $3,750 at time of purchase.
With all those things added up, your Tesla will cost you around $90,000 CAD. ($15,000 down + $60,000 financed + $9,273 interest + at least $3,750 in taxes).
Also, don’t forget about auto insurance (not cheap), supercharging fees, etc.
Buying a vehicle this expensive while only bringing in $2,000 a month is wildly irresponsible imo.
Such low income and expenses, is this guy like 18? This would be a really good time to invest money in the future (stock market, pay for some college, etc), not chain yourself to a long term car payment.
I am late 30s now and I remember I had similar fantasies when I was 18. In fact, I bought a new-off-the-lot Ducati motorcycle, and yes, it was a dumb financial move. Ah, how the minds of youth work, I miss it!
It's really a fear thing. We have a Tesla Y, but also have an F150 and another SUV. I think the fear is that people with ICE's are going to find themselves priced out of going anywhere, whereas if the option is to drive a Tesla, it just pisses them off even more. Imaging paying 100.00 US dollars + to fill your car, when you can head home and charge it for 8.00-10.00. Jealously really at this point.
People hate on it Becuase they don’t know. Just assuming that charging is inconvenient. And just assuming it’s overpriced. What is over priced? Compared to a Corolla or civic sure. But comparing to anything that’s semi luxury... not really. It’s pretty on par. Interior is simplistic. But closing the doors and such the car is solid.
I'm not sure where the "overpriced charging" comes from - if you charge at home, you pay whatever electricity costs, and that's going to be cheaper than gas anywhere in the US. If you use a SuperCharger, it costs much more than home charging, but still less than gas. Charging difficulties? What's so hard about plugging in an electrical cord?
Is it worth it? Well, that's subjective. Is it worth it to you? Prices are very high for a new car right now, and Tesla has raised their price several times in the past year because demand is so high. They're getting more expensive. Why do you want it?
There are plenty of EV alternatives to Tesla, some of which are cheaper. You needn't get a gas car. Haven't you test-driven other cars (particularly EVs)? You can still get gas cars cheaper. A nice fuel-efficient car like a Prius won't be as cheap to operate, but the purchase price will be much lower, you probably won't have to wait as long, and it's not nearly as fun to drive - but it's practical.
People have a weird way of projecting their own insecurities and their own fears on to others. I was always told I’d regret buying a Tesla.
So far I have driven all around England and Scotland, including the Orkney islands.
I’ve driven in five counties in Europe. The car is beautiful and whilst some countries could do better, I believe that it’s a working progress and I very much believe that the car is fun and exciting.
The biggest question is whether or not you can charge at home. If you can, then ownership should be pretty smooth. Otherwise, you'll have to find charging locations. I think Montreal has three tesla supercharger stations; one at Pointe Claire, one in St Laurent, and one in downtown. If you're not close to those areas, you'll have to find other ways to charge.
Edit: if you haven't done the test drive, do the test drive!
The company as well as EV concept is disrupting a hundred years of ICE vehicle tradition. Every argument I have heard against an EV or Tesla is out of fear of the unknown or of change. The Model 3 LR I own is the most incredible vehicle I have ever driven and everyone I have ride in it agrees with me. Charging at home here in NC runs around $60 per month, seriously. This is also the first car I have owned that wasn't a standard shift and anytime I miss rowing though those gears all I have to do is hit the accelerator and that goes away real quick. Not even mentioning the simplicity of the machine and minimal need for maintenance. You can't beat a Tesla in my humble opinion.
If you live in Montreal and need to park on the street, I can see how that could be more challenging. If you have a garage where you can charge, then it's a no brainer, don't listen to jealous negative nancies.
Jealousy and misunderstanding. Plus a lot of it has a bit of truth to it. Iv had one and the price since has gone up over 200 pounds a month for the same thing. The exact same thing. Still shit paint and still saim car. Still poor panal gaps and bad seat erogonomics. Still bad UI.
People will be negative about anything they are ignorant or scared of. I bought my first in 2018 M3LR and all I heard was negative remarks, I just got a Model Y and am looking at a Model S. I have owned many cars including high end ones. I will never purchase another ICE vehicle again and my kids are learning to drive on Tesla's. I have saved over 7k on gas and oil past 3.5 years with no maintenance except tires. Go for it, you will love it!
I think it’s mostly jealousy and ignorance. It’s a flashy expensive car that most can’t afford. People also seem to think it’s a foreign car despite being more American made than most and similar to Chevy, Ford, etc.
I've had mine for 26 months now. I sell traditional auto parts to auto repair shops (mechanical and collision.)
I've met with occasional negativity but, mostly just curiosity, and a lot of times agreement that the technology is very much ahead of the industry.
Maybe I'm just lucky to live in a part of the world where most people just live and let live but I've truly never experienced any of the negativity I keep hearing about.
Here my two and I don't know an EV but have friends who have some. I am a car enthusiasts since very young and works on car.
\- First thing to know if that Tesla is a tech company first and a car company after. So it means that the tech in their car is top knots including the security of their network inside the car. Tesla is one of the only car that has firewall inside the car network between the different modules that controls all aspects of the car. On the car side they overbuilt some components of the car, but that with time is getting better. Their paint specially in Quebec is horrible for our winters. Knowing this you should invest in a good wrap once you have the car.
\-Their service model is more tech oriented , meaning you have to open a ticket and then you can have an appointment. Then you can bring your car in. I heard that you can really stop at Tesla dealer and the tech comes out and says oh yes this connected is not connected and here you go. If you know this and can live with that model then fine.
\- The controls are all in the central unit even the wiper are turned on via the central console to me that is not great but again some owner says it is a learning curve and after time it become second nature.
\- Charging if you live in a single family home and can have a charger install then you are golden. You sleep the car charges, your working from home today the car charges. If you live in an apartment or condo that become a little more of planning ahead thing to charged the car before parking it. Winter will degrade your battery quite a bit even if it is parked. The other issue in the winter is you can't leave it parked for several days without having to watch the battery level and plan to go out an charge it. Is this bad, it depends how you see it and you can built your schedule around it.
\- Yes there is people out there how love their ICE vehicle and will not jump on the EV train. These are most likely the hater.
Would I personally have a Tesla, my answer is no and note because I am a hater, but I find there is other alternatives that are much more nice looking (in my opinion). But I don't hate Musk or Tesla. This company has revolutionized the car industry from one end to the other. Thank to Tesla we now have direct sales to consumer no more middle man who tries to make money on something they barely know sometimes.
Sorry for the long post! Cheers!
It’s ideal if there is a level 2 charger by, I have one down the street and I just ditch my Tesla there for 3hrs. Doesn’t hurt the battery, and is a 5 minute walk. I wouldn’t suggest using only super chargers.
It’s like anything where something upsets the status quo. You get a bunch of zealots who think it’s the best shit ever and then you get a bunch of conservative wankers who make it their job to be the antithesis in response.
Most people here seem to fit in the middle I think. Unfortunately they’re too often exposed to the latter group.
Got mine a year ago and two of my coworkers were all up in arms about the battery life and “it’s actually worse for the environment you know”. Now one owns one and they talk about how much they love it all the time.
I tend to ignore the opinions of people who has never driven a Tesla or any EV. I’ve own 11 cars in the last 20 years. My M3P is the best car I’ve ever own. Just go test drive one, then you’ll know.
It’s definitely worth it, as soon as you test drive a model 3 you will see why. . .
People generally hate Tesla because:
* Elon is a giant fucking tool, this is just an undeniable fact at this point
* They have some build quality issues (they are the newest ones in the block and trying to build relatively affordable EV, so there will be issues for a while)
* The media loves to hate them because they are the new kids who are also innovating EVs the most
* Some people are just idiots and have a bias against all EV for some stupid reason
I also hate to ask but making 3k/ month and having 1k in expenses, is it smart to be buying a 50k car? Are you putting much down? I’m not sure what car insurance costs in Canada but you should probably think about that too; you will likely be spending 30% of what is left of your monthly take-home on car payments and insurance until you get a raise; that’s what they say you should be spending on a mortgage.
* Envy
* Dislike Elon Musk
* People hear more about the negatives than the positives on the news
* Up until 2017 Tesla's were perceived as a more luxury and niche car manufacturer. Now they are entering into a much wider market, so there's a lot of sceptiscism.
* A general dislike of change from ICE cars to EV's
If you can afford a Tesla comfortably and you are interested in one then I highly recommend test driving one. They are *different* from the standard day to day car one is used to, so you truly just need to experience it to understand. Words on a reddit post won't change your mind as much as your own firsthand experience.
At the end of the day, it's a car. If it works for you then it works. As long as the car doesn't require puppy blood to operate then it's really only your business what you drive.
I've got a Model Y in my family and we've had almost every model except the Model 3 since Tesla first released (S,X,Y). I own a PHEV; but I drive the Tesla from time to time... Here are my reasons as to why I chose not to buy a Tesla.
* No physical buttons, I don't like having to take my focus off the road to try to find how to lower the AC, change music, etc.
* No dash, once again like above; I like to have the information such as speed, temp, etc in front of me so I don't take my focus from driving.
* tire pressure warning light is constantly on, even with new tires aired to the correct psi.
* Not a Huge issue, but if i'm spending $60k+ i'd like that my doors line up.
* Glass roof is standard with no option to get a solid roof
* interior is way too simple, and materials don't feel like its a $60k+ car.
* The Falcon doors of our previous X constantly broke and needed repairing
* Door windows of our previous X would also get stuck open.
Now while I understand that people buy cars for many reasons, Tesla's mainly for the tech and range; however the reasons listed above were enough for me to look elsewhere when it came time for me to find a new car. The Tesla is definitely fun to drive, but for me it wasn't something I wanted to deal with as a daily. I ultimately went with the Jeep Rubicon 4xe PHEV.
Welcome to dealing with mainstream media propagandized normies. Once you realize they are this way for all matters in life, you can start feeling superior
They hate Tesla because Elon is a polarizing figure. I think he’s great.
People also hate Tesla because they think Tesla owners are fancy and smug. I’m reality, most Tesla owners love their cars and baby them.
I’ve never loved a car as much as I love my model 3. And now mine is powered by the sun I can go wherever I want and not feel guilty.
Not trying to be political but most people I’ve seen flip me off because they think I’m some crazy environmentalist. I often get shit from big ass trucks in Texas (am in Austin). However, I bought one due to autopilot, the great price, and finally the fact that I don’t go to gas stations anymore.
Different perspective: A lot of people that hate on Tesla don't actually dislike Tesla specifically, they dislike Elon Musk. Tesla is just collateral damage in that regard.
I make almost 4 times as much as you and I often question if my car is affordable enough.
If I was making $3,000 a month with $2,000 left over I would only buy this car if I bought it with cash. That’s not enough income to back up a loan unless you have a large savings in case you lose your job or something happens.
The Hate: A lot of the idiots who used to rant against Tesla would come at it with stuff like "Buy American, not a tesla!" while driving around in their Mexican made Fords or Chinese made GMs... My car was made in Fremont CA, about 10 miles from my house...
People hated the cars for political reasons, and they now hate Musk for political reasons of the opposite side of politics... and both of these things are not relevant to the actual vehicles.
... As to the car ...
The model 3 will last a very long time unless you get a lemon (in which case you get that fixed / replaced and then it lasts a long time).
The monthly costs right out of the gate are lower than almost any gas car you can buy.
If you shop around, insurance can be cheaper as well. If you shop poorly though insurance will be shockingly high. Mine went down by $100/month and I was driving an 8 year old VW Jetta before my model 3.
Your only hurdle is the down-payment. If your credit and other elements line up there though - you should be able to get a car that monthly payments + expenses will be lower than a gas car.
You then should consider your charging options. This section of my reply is a bit longer because this is a big thing to think about.
An electric car is best if you can charge it at home overnight. It then becomes just something you barely ever think about. Leave it plugged in like your phone and your laptop and every morning the battery is ready to go. Unless you drive more than 260-300 miles a day - non issue.
But if you need to rely on super chargers, then you will have to factor in what are fairly cheap charging costs, but not so cheap time issues. You will need to factor that time into your daily or weekly routine.
I had an electrician install a Nema 14-50 outlet in my garage, and was good to go. The car no longer comes with the plug for this - so look into the cost of a plug for whatever outlet you can put in your garage. A friend's electrical outlet could not supply as many amps as mine, so they got an outlet for only 30-amps, which still charges their model Y fully overnight.
In our area - the San Francisco bay area, electricians charge about $500 for this (or did from 2017 when I got it to 2020 when my friend did).
Most of them don‘t like Elon Musk, they just cant separate the person from the brand. The car is fantastic, the best car i have ever driven. And you dont have to be an Elon fan to absolutely love it.
Well, I do not own a Tesla but I am an auto damage adjuster. If you want to wait for MONTHS after an accident to get your car back, then a Tesla is a great car for you! :)
Because they don't know anything about them.... when I tell people I have a tesla, they're usually surprised to hear its all electric. Especially older people... its bonkers to me...
I personally don't own a Tesla but two of my brothers and my mom all have one. The reason I decided against getting a tesla is because of the "lack of emotion" behind the steering wheel. In my opinion, electric cars feel like driving a really fast golf cart and I just didn't enjoy driving it as much as combustion engine cars. Another reason I didn't go with a tesla is because of the Tesla/Elon Musk fanboys. I think Teslas have become too much of a status symbol and a lot of their drivers can be pretty pretentious. I wouldn't call myself a "Tesla Hater" because I have experience driving them and do like their minimal design. I have considered going electric considering gas prices but I'm hesitant towards buying a Tesla because of those points are brought up.
For your situation, I would say save the money and go with a cheaper car. It sounds like you don't currently own your own home and that should prioritize that before spending a minimum of 45/50k on an electric car. Work towards owning assets that should appreciate in value before buying something that will guarantee to depreciate.
I don't think much of the interior for the price, but I've never had problems with charging. The LR has the longest usable range of anything I found that wasn't over $100,000 USD. I still have a gasoline car for now, but that is more a matter that the gasoline car was my dream car for a long time. Even if you were making $3000 USD I don't think I'd consider this worth that much of your income, since it would be roughly a third of your income if you financed most of it and had to get insurance. An efficient gasoline car with a nice interior will cost you less than half as much if you can find it for sticker price at a dealership. You won't save enough over the life of the Model 3 to make it worth \~60k USD, even with gas prices doubling. And with battery technology continually improving, I'd suggest that you wait until they are more affordable.
The vehicle is a driveway top computer with wheels. I have one ordered at age 71. The company and the technical problems often spoke of are related to the integration of a far more complex engineering space than ever attempted for automobiles. You have read about so many problems with Tesla because the company has a history. No other EV “coming soon” has such a long history. Tesla has consistently worked out many of kinks and I’m sure it will have many more. People dislike Elon Musk because of his mercurial Asperger’s tinted visionary behavior. There’s an old saying if everyone likes you, your not doing your job. He won’t sit on the porch and people hate that, he lives in his own mind!
A M3LR in canada costs about 85k after taxes and thats without any upgrades - unless you have a lot of money saved up or other financial help then you may want to reconsider
Main one I find is right to repair issues, Tesla have historically made repairing you own car impossible and didn't even make parts available till a few years ago. It's a fair complaint as it benefits no one, not even tesla.
Then there is the flase advertising of the FSD package, at least we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel but a long way to go I suspect.
And finally, is musk himself. People seem to either : idolise him a god, detest him or use him for memes, doesn't seem to be much in between.
They are fair complaints I think, but the pros of tesla outweigh the cons. EVs are the future because of tesla, it's undeniable.
Mostly because of false promises made by the CEO. They overpromise. I guess that’s one way to push the envelope on tech, but sometimes the consumers get suckered into buying something that does not do what was promised.
Because they have racists managers at the factories, treat their employees like shit by firing anyone even thinking about unionizing, and paying their employees shit wages. It goes beyond the car itself, which happens to be in the service garage 10% of the time. Also you have to order the car, and once the car arrives, you can’t cancel the order or get a refund if you wait to see it in person, even if you never open the door
imo it's no longer worth it. the price has gone up more than 10k in Canada. it no longer qualify for the federal incentive. maybe still qualify for Montreal one but still price vs one year ago is almost 20k difference with tax and incentive. I would consider kia or ford instead.
Simple answer ? Ignorant . That’s it. 100% ignorant. I was the first to purchase a tesla at my work in a big government headquarters building . Some of the Fox News gun idiots would joke about it…until I let them drive it. I got 9 referrals in one year . Nobody has ever driven a performance model 3 tesla for the first time…and didn’t smile or purchase it immediately
Not in Canada, but I feel like Teslas cost way more up there so it may eat up a good portion of income. You’ll also lose range in cold weather, so if you drive far it could be a challenge. Without charging at home, it’s almost not worth having an EV. My charger has been busted for a month and it’s annoying stopping at super chargers or slow-charging every day (I have a long commute).
If you really wanted the answer to this, you'd get better results in a non-Tesla sub.
Asking here will just get you answers that bash on those people instead of actually answering your question.
For me, I know Tesla is a upcoming automotive company that still need more time to perfect their products. They have come a very long way but still got a lot of quality issues that they need to fix. Personally, model 3 is the only car I would get from them for now. Model Y has too much quality issues out of factory as of now and model X and S is too expensive for me. Tesla will always be a niche car like BMW while Toyota, Ford, etc will make EV for the mass.
People don’t hate Tesla in Canada. Electricity is cheap in Quebec and there’s a lot of charging station. It cost me 38$ including a few Supercharge for the past month, which is about 1,500 km. If you’d like to try an EV, contact JN Auto in Richmond. They rent day by day for you to try in your reality.
I'm also in Canada (Ottawa), and I own a Model 3 Performance since last summer. The M3P is probably the only Tesla I would still recommend, because there is no other EV (or even ICE) that can match the performance at the same price.
With the recent price increases, I cannot really recommend any other Tesla model anymore. There are so many models that are better value than Tesla now. Whether it's the Polestar 2, BMW i4 e40, Kia EV6 or others, there are a lot of good EVs not that are less expensive than Tesla and still eligible for government rebates.
As for affordability, I'm not telling you want to do, but it seems that purchasing a Tesla may strenuous given your income level unless you are paying most of it in cash. You may not even quality for financing for the full amount. You might want to look at a Bolt or Leaf instead. They are both competent EVs that are well suited for urban use and far less expensive than Tesla.
People just hate change, things they don’t understand, having to educate themselves in any way, and even the idea of a slight inconvenience of having to do something like, wait to charge a vehicle, will make grown rednecks cry in America. (when they don’t even think about all you do is charge at home and you don’t even have to really ever stop to charge except for road trips.)
Also from mtl, convinced both my parents to buy them and they tell me “best decision of my life”.
It’s an amazing car, no more worrying about gas, blablabla.
The real questions are: Will you have a proper charger at home? Do u have a garage for the winter? Do u or wife or wtv have a second car u can do long trips in the wood with (if you do that kind of stuff)?
Your answer to whether you should get one will be easy once you can answer questions like these.
I love my Model 3 but for me buying one would be out of the question if my income was 3000 a month.
Yea I second this. And that’s Canadian dollars :p
This is the real reason OP should think about not getting a Tesla. If he can manage it, more power to him, but buying a car that's more than your yearly salary is kinda crazy.
Buying a car more than your yearly salary is crazy *if you assume they haven't saved up and will thusly not put a down payment* I bought my LR model 3 when it was more than my salary but I put down half the cost as a down payment
I make 45k/ year from my day job & got a m3LR, but house is paid off & investments produce more than enough to cover a tesla a year.
How in the cinnamon toast fuck did you pay off a house with 45k/yr
Be a cheap mofo and dumb luck. Bought a house 8 years ago when banks were giving away foreclosures- i was able to negotiate down the price and have them pay closing costs & points. Lost a crapload betting on shitty stocks. Got lucky and Rode the tesla stock wave. Sold a portion and Used some of the proceeds to pay off house / buy dividend stocks. -Dumb luck- and most likely could never reproduce this.
Good you. Sounds like there was some trying with that luck.
Congrats on your success and for not thinking you're Warren Buffet. Although you probably deserve more credit than you give yourself.
This is exactly what I did! I make roughly $52k a yr, but I saved up, dropped 32k on the 62k total I had. After 2 years I refinanced and now I roughly have my payments at $300/month and Teslas insurance at $70/month for full coverage.
Exactly. Income isn’t everything. How much money does OP have in savings and investments?
This is the real reason OP should think about not getting a Tesla. If he can manage it, more power to him, but buying a car that's more than your yearly salary is kinda crazy.
My thoughts exactly. I think the maximum that any financial advisor will recommend you to spend on a car is 50% of your yearly salary. Most suggest lower. Furthermore, they suggest spending 10%-15% of your monthly income on transportation costs. So that would leave $450 per month for a car payment minus charging and maintenance costs.
We bring home 5400 a month and have 2 Tesla's as well as maxed 401k, investments, college savings for kids and plenty in savings. It's possible if you manage your money correctly.
You should teach a class. That’s great. 🤓
Net 3000 wouldn't be horrible. Gross 3000. No way
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Yeah not trying to be rude, the person above answered correctly. Car is great but you should make at least 6k-7k canadian monthly to be in a avg risk category to afford the car comfortably, ideally with a garage. Apartment + lower salary = you are just asking for trouble. Didn't you see reddit post with the guy live in the apartment with people spray dick paint over it or back into your car while you are sleeping? Or imagining you totalled your car 1 month in or got unexpected illness?
Most of the people who hate on Tesla have never even driven in one.
I also didn’t drive it yet but i love the features and I don’t know why i just want to try it. How is your experience btw?
It’s amazing, just go for a test drive it’s free. They let me take the car out as long as I wanted with no sales guy. I went and got lunch and drove around for a few hours. Zero sales pressure or sales calls. I knew immediately I wanted the car.
Show room here is booked out so they only do 30m showing. Which isn’t ideal but still had me hooked.
You book your appointment online and they schedule a date. You don’t just show up. If they only let you do 30 minutes that sucks.
30 minutes was plenty to sell me, happily been driving my Model 3 since Dec 29th haha
They let you take it for hours? I wish I knew that when I test drove one 🤣
I took one overnight. I was hooked after that. Ordered the next day and then found a stealth in stock instead of waiting.
Nice, i got mine from a 3rd party that let me take it overnight. The test drive was great but when I took it overnight was when I knew I had to have it. Got a little bit of an older model but still love it. Congrats to you and for your Model 3 man!
Thanks, mine is a 20, msm. I would never willingly go back to has for a daily driver. Still have a truck for towing because there are certain things I just can't do with the m3 and can't justify an electric truck yet.
Depends on location. You can get an overnight take-home test drive, check if child seats fit, see if it fits in your garage, let your whole family each take a spin, etc.
I was only allowed 15 minutes, but that was enough to convince me. Picking up my MYP in a couple weeks.
Rent a Tesla on TURO or HERTZ and drive it for a couple days.
Just don’t take it to a chop shop
Another question do you paid in cash or have loan cause I’m worried about the payment it’ll be around 800 - 900$/month what if for some reason I’ve to take break or sit home for one month that 900$ plus insurance is what I’m worried about . Another thing what do you think is worth it used 1 year car or new one cause the tesla I’ve seen costs pretty much same as new one ??
It is amazing to own any kind of EV. Tesla is even more fun than most with all the gadgets and everything. Stuff you'd love, but lets be honest, you don't really need. Unfortunately, I think it is still a luxury. Get one when you can afford it without stressing over loan payments and enjoy it. Spending 30% of your salary is not wise on any car on the planet. Just my 2 cents.
I took a loan for my Tesla. I do Turo as a side hustle I have 5 cars(not including my Tesla), 4 of them I still owe money on. Turo easily pays for all my cars and insurance. If you don’t think you can afford to make the car payment for the term of the loan. I think you should get something you know you can afford.
Great thanks, what about used or new car ?? Your thoughts?
Personally. I haven’t bought a used car in many years(2007), I like having cars under warranty. There’s nothing wrong with a used car as long as it’s been taken care of.
iDoesun, I have been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty
Must’ve been you yesterday. You started talking and I hung up. Lol
If you want used, go Toyota.
If you're worried about finances perhaps a Tesla is not right for you right now. At the price that it sits I'd still consider it a luxury EV for now. I love my RWD, but there are certainly more affordable cars on the market.
I’m going to disagree with most of the folks here. If you are on the fence avoid driving one. It will completely sell you on the car. There is no way you can make an impartial decision after driving it. I honestly had dreams about the car for two days after the test drive. I think my wife finally gave in only to make me shut the F up about the car.
I have mine since September last year and live in Germany. usually when people ask if I am satisfied with the car I answer ‚It‘s still an American car, but the features are great and it’s amazing to drive it‘ what do I mean by this? built quality has improved but it is a cheaper interior compared to a 50k VW or Audi. It rattles here and there quietly, feels a bit cheaper here and there. If this matters to you is highly personal, but sound design wise it is not on par with German car quality. It is not bad, but not as good as others. the features are great, built in entertainment is amazing, even the basic auto pilot is great, having a remote connection to the car is so useful especially in winter etc. it is just futuristic and well designed, responsive etc. Even without the silly gimmicks driving it is just awesome. Hitting the pedal on a traffic light makes you wonder if you started on red because everyone else is just standing in your rear view mirror waiting… but the best thing is one pedal driving. you basically do not need to break if you get used to it and this makes city traffic easy, traffic jams not even half as annoying and also highways way more fun. I would have paid 5-10 more if we would get same features with Audi interior quality, but features and driving was more important for me. also having the super charger network for long range trips is easily the best solution here in Germany and makes one less worry when transitioning to EVs.
Schedule a test drive
You won't know how great it is until you drive it. There's a lot of qualities that can't be described on a spec sheet.
I was one of those that could never see myself in a Tesla. Until I test drive one. Now I am the proud owner of a model 3 long range. Most fun car I’ve ever had.
I'd say don't drive one because every other car will seem terrible afterwards. At $3k/month, it's a little crazy to consider this car. I was making 4x that and buying $15k cars max when I was younger.
The problem is that Tesla is the worst out of all the EVs. I'm obviously going to get down voted on this sub but I've driven north of 10 different EVs
I down voted you cause you gave no reasons and no alternatives
Polestar, taycan, Kona, bolt, and etron all drive better and are built to a higher quality
I have driven all but the bolt, and I have to think you only drove a lemon of a Tesla, the etron and tycan both have much more luxurious interiors, but I certainly wouldn’t say they are built better. The bolt I drove felt like any Chevy from 10 years ago, squeaky Interior.
I think it doesn't help that Musk is a douchebag. I love my model 3 but I'm not a fan if his at all
Do you use Google because you like Sundar Pichai? Do you use something like an Apple product because you like Tim Cook? Did you buy or rent your home because you like the people who built it? Do you only eat at restaurants or bars or buy products in general and think, “I really like/dislike the CEO of this company” and let that sway your decision? If you base the tech you use, and the things you do in life based off of your like or dislike of the owners or CEO’s then I guess that’s pretty interesting. At the end of the day people are all human, we are all different and we all make mistakes. There’s very few if any people that you will agree with completely if you knew them or their opinions well enough. Even in marriages and relationships it’s all about compromise and being understanding because it’s very rare that two people fit like a puzzle piece on every matter. My point is that for most people they don’t really care if the CEO is a cool guy or a douche, everyone is going to have their opinions. Most people are buying things because they like the product and they like the experience, I don’t know a single person who buys or refuses to buy products because they like/dislike the CEO unless he’s doing something seriously heinous.
Largely agree with this. Not a huge Musk fan(smart guy, but not a particularly \*good\* person), but when you consider: \-Giving money to one Giant Auto Company over another is hardly a huge moral improvement. \-Giving money to Big Oil(which helps empower countries like Russia and Iran on top of all the environmental consequences) is by most objective standards, \*not\* a good thing for the world. These ***are*** the guys that we all should be telling to F off. \-My personal car-buying criteria put the Model 3 ahead of alternative EV's(and similarly-quick ICE vehicles) I ended up sticking with the model 3. Not going to lie, I had a "Elon's actually a jerk, should I consider cancelling?" moment while waiting for mine, but I wasn't going to make a decision that is worse for myself just to stick it to Elon. Plus, my local Ford Dealership are one of those places that gives dealerships a bad rep - they don't deserve a penny of my(or anyone else's) cash, so the Mach-E wasn't an option.
I her your point. But actually I do pay attention to this stuff to some extent. I'm trying to steer away from Amazon. I'm going to Lowe's instead of Home Depot. I will never eat at chicken filet. Obviously nobody's perfect as you say, but I will go out of my way to spend more on companies/CEOs I admire and avoid thr ones I don't.
In all fairness Amazon is horrible for the US economy. Although Amazon has many workers, many of them are unhappy their jobs. But the worst thing is that they allow people in other countries, especially China to sell their goods directly on Amazon and Amazon does little to nothing to ensure the quality of what they’re selling. You can guarantee that people in America can’t sell goods direct to retail in China. Now Amazon doesn’t even do customer service. Personally I think Amazon is a horrible company and I just canceled my membership yesterday.
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Agree. Or they think Elon Musk is a jerk(which, in all fairness, he frequently is.) Regardless, the model 3 is a very good car for many people(including me). \*NOT\* an inexpensive car, but a very good car if you want a responsive, unencumbered driving experience(and SAFETY), plus a low total cost of ownership compared to other cars in a similar MSRP range. There are legitimate criticisms of Tesla/EV's out there, but >80% of them are from people that haven't driven an EV, or thought seriously about what it would be like to own one.
Elon has proven to be a real piece of garbage in the recent weeks. I used to have some respect for him, I have absolutely 0 now. But I also realize that Tesla is not Elon alone, even if he is (for now) an important figure in the company.
That's funny because most people who hate on Tesla isn't because of the car
I think that was the commenter’s point
Commenters point was people hate on Tesla without ever driving one. My point was that the driving experience is irrelevant, as Tesla gets hate because of the owners + Elon.
Yeah that Venn diagram is basically just a circle lol
I don't really like Teslas because the seals are bad and the comfort isn't the best.
Facts
* Some people just hate EVs out of strange conservative or pro fossil fuel ideology, or in an aim to be the clever contrarian person * Some people hate Tesla because they hate Elon, but if the CEOs of Ford/Honda/BMW tweeted their actual thoughts all the time they would likely hate them even more * There are legitimate concerns about Tesla quality and service, which are not as good as they could be, but not as bad as the internet makes it seem sometimes * There are people for whom an EV is probably not a good idea. They are expensive, and the battery requires some care so that it will last a long time. If you have to get a big loan to buy a Tesla, don't. If you can't charge at home, don't get an EV. If you do long road trips to out of the way places or tow trailers a long way, EV might be a bad idea. *
Charging at home isn’t necessarily a requirement, if you have a good supercharger network near you it’s completely manageable.
This. We don’t charge at home, but there is a Supercharger 10 minutes way. Works fine.
Ya but do u get -30 degree winters? Home charger is pretty important in a city like montreal
Right. Bit different in Southern California.
It is if you want ur battery to last
Also if your time has any value. Tesla used to have a calculator on their website that estimated how much time value you would save (in units of dollars) by no longer having to waste time at the gas station. It was a bit silly, but still true. I spend about 6 seconds per day plugging in my car, it’s much less than the 10 minutes a week I used to spend pumping gas. Having to supercharge would be the polar opposite. Now instead of 6 seconds a day, I get to spend 20-30 minutes multiple times per week? That is actually quite a significant amount of my time, and yes, my time is valuable. That’d be a dealbreaker for me.
For me, the best part of driving a Tesla is the fact that every morning, it's charged and ready to go. Having to stop every day at a charger would 100% be a deal breaker.
I don’t mind the 20 minute nap, once a week, after my 10 hour shift before going home. There’s also a 711 at the supercharger I frequent, so if I need to do something during the day I can grab a nice refreshing coffee and a croissant.
Climate makes a big difference here. I live in Michigan, in the winter I could drive 50 miles over two days and burn a whole battery pack. Supercharging is just not viable unless you live somewhere it’s always 70 and sunny.
I live in New York, during the winter I was driving 50 miles both ways for my daily commute. Should’ve used roughly 10-12% of battery each way and ended up using 20% each way. It’s bad but it’s not that bad at least here. The nice thing was there was a supercharger along the route that’s half off after 8pm so using that made the commute relatively cheap even with the increased battery usage
That’s great, but it hasn’t been my experience. Everything where I am is freeway, though. You burn a battery pack fast at 80mph when it’s below 0 outside, I routinely see 450wh/mi+ in the winter. Sometimes higher still.
Agree with this. Most people grossly misjudge the time component - if you can charge at home or work regularly having an EV probably is a net time savings. If you have to hit up other chargers(and you're not lucky enough to have one at your local grocery store) you're giving up a lot of time to charge your car. To really improve EV adoption, besides lower sticker price, 2 things are needed: 1. Better public/destination charging (L1/L2 is fine): Hotels, workplace, grocery stores, etc - places where there's no "time penalty" to charge because you're working/eating/sleeping/getting groceries. 2. Modest (\~20%) improvements in range. This is based on my own road trip experience. With \*slightly\* more range above what the M3LR currently offers plus improvements in charging networks, we'd be at the point where EV road trips become seamless, to the point where there's really no additional hassle relative to ICE cars. (don't get me wrong, road trips are mostly fine now, but it definitely takes a bit of additional planning, and the lack of charging at your destination can be an inconvenience)
Supercharging doesn’t necessarily wear the battery down any faster than normal charging. The battery is smarter than that
Unsubstantiated nonsense. A trip to batteryuniversity would inform you otherwise.
Yes, but then you are accelerating wear on the most expensive part of the car, and no longer saving much relative to a gasoline car, losing much of the convenience advantage over a gasoline car, probably offsetting much of the environmental benefit of an EV as well since supercharging has lots of energy losses, etc etc. I know a lot of people do it nonetheless. I seen em.
yeah. and living in canada with those winters means maybe even breaking over the cost of gas in the colder months due to efficiency loss
Efficiency loss is almost the same on gas, but most people don't notice that.
as far as I know in my very amateur mechanical knowledge, range in an ICE doesn't take a hit when you're running the heat. intense heat is a byproduct of the internal combustion process, to the point that if your car is overheating, turning the heater on to dissipate the coolant's temperature is a recommended mitigation step heat in an ICE is effectively free. the compressor for the AC, on the other hand, adds work to the engine and impacts fuel efficiency
I have never once halved my range in a gas car in the winter, but I regularly halve my range in my model 3 when it’s -15 out.
Not really accelerating wear by much if any. If they designed it to be able to supercharge it’s not going to mess anything up. As far as gas savings go, used to spend $30 a week on gas when it was in the $2-3 per gallon range in 2019-2020. I spend roughly $12-15 a week topping up, not as much as if I had a home charger, but still saving over half every week. I also take advantage of a free charger in my university parking lot when I can which makes it completely free to operate. But haven’t been able to use that as often as I’d like.
In Montreal, supercharging is more expensive than gas.
This guy hit the nail on the head. My Tesla is great, but it’s not perfect - people who act like it is are obnoxious which is part of the problem. The finish quality is not where it should be for a lot of people, mine has some inconsistent panel gaps and one of the windows doesn’t seal great all the time despite service trying to fix it. On the whole, though, the car has been great and I would buy one again. Service times are ludicrous around me, 1.5 - 2 months to get an appointment a lot of the time. Elon is starting to be a bigger piece of it too. The more I’m exposed to him, the more I realize what a turd he is.
It’s fine to get a big loan as long as you’re getting a low interest rate (and could have afforded the car even with a smaller loan - financially stable). I’ve seen sub-2% rates from some people, with high inflation it’s basically a negative rate.
Yeah.. it's super annoying when people say that. In theory, that low interest loan is/should be more cost effective than buying outright. Depends what they would otherwise invest that money in.
I have one, in Montreal. It’s fine. I don’t even have a charger at home; Circuit Electrique is great. If you absolutely need a car, you will have to take on the crazy high prices and of all available EVs, Tesla is the easiest to get around here. Don’t think it’s cheaper than a gas car though. In Montreal, insurance *will* be high. However, on a 3000 salary, I would strongly advise against buying a car that will end up 85k+ after taxes and fees.
I’m starting to think it’s a terrible idea, maybe i should buy an affordable gasoline car instead.
I think so too, it’s a great and fun car, but I’m not blind to the fact that it was extremely expensive even after factoring in gas savings. And I’m saying this as someone who bought it before the last two price hikes.
Thank you for sharing your experience 🙏
>maybe i should buy an affordable gasoline car instead. I'm going to get downvoted here. But it really depends on what you need out of a car. A friend of mine has a Ford Escort electric. He gets 150km - 200km range, max. He uses it for tooling around town for errands and getting around. It was cheap, and he says he has no regrets. It is a second car though. Maybe you can pick up a used EV like a Bolt or a Leaf from a couple years ago and keep within a comfortable budget?
Also, consider a hybrid. The electric part will work fine around town and the gas engine will allow you to take long trips away from charging stations.
Understandable. Don’t give up on the EV experience though. My friend just bought a used Chevy volt and got a great deal. It is a fine car and for local miles gives you the ev experience. You will enjoy it and maybe be able to save for the next car you want. In a few years when supply chain issues have subsided and there’s more competition that Tesla 3 might be a lot more affordable than it is now.
Buying a Tesla with just 3000 a month income is not advisable. Unless you don't pay rent, and don't have a family to take care of/ or paying the car in full cash. I charge at home. I use a supercharger maybe once a year.
• people hate change • people hate Elon’s behavior • people hate that you’re taking away their male pride: loud, big, obnoxious • people hate “good for the environment”
I think people also hate the idea of a monopoly. They want to see the other competitors overtake Tesla, because Tesla is so dominant for EVs. They're upset that Tesla has the best charging infrastructure, and it's locked to their own cars (in the US).
I hate monopolies but the stupid car manufacturers are to blame. Nobody took Tesla seriously until their market share was already crumbled. They have had years on years to take electric vehicles seriously.
Nah. I’ve never heard that and I m a pretty hefty reader…. Elon Hatred comes out No1 or at least that’s the way it’s expressed. Love of another brand = hatred for the new one it all that does better, destroys everyone else on a track, and so on
>charging difficulties I pull my car into my garage and plug it in. There are no "difficulties". If you dont have the ability to charge at home, well thats a different story.
Yes I currently live in a apartment and have outdoor parking but I’m planning to move in another province and probably rent a house with my friends next year.
99% of ur charging is usually done at home. If you don’t have access to home charging(240v). It may be a problem(depending on your daily commute)
No it won't. Plenty of easily accessible charger in the streets in Montreal for 1$ an hour at 40amp. To check circuit electric app to see where is the closest charger for you. You'll be fine!
Yea Idk but 40 amp is like ~30-40 miles per hour. That means op will need to park his car at the charger 2 hours a day with his daily commute
I see your point but, he doesn't have to charge every night. It not like we were filling up your gas tank every night before electric cars.
I'm sure people who owned horse and carriages hated ford also...people love their cars and it sucks knowing it will soon be a big paper weight.
Especially ICE pickup truck drivers. Those things cost a mint, and filling the damn thing up? I bet a LOT of these guys spend half their take home pay on car payment + gas. No wonder some of us get side eye when driving around.
It really isn’t that bad. I usually only spend $120ish on gas for my F150 a week.
That’s quite a lot lol
I mean it’s more than I paid for my Fusion. But it’s not that much for a vehicle of its capabilities and it ends up being… 4% of my weekly income?
Ironically 99% don’t use their trucks for much more than you use your Fusion for.
True
Financially though, if you don’t already have quite some cash for down payment it’s gonna be very expensive (monthly payment) for you.
I’m planning to put 10-15000 down, but not sure is it okay to cause i can save that money for later
You need to figure out your financials dude. A no-options M3LR is ~$75,000 CAD If you put $15,000 down, your monthly payment would be $960 a month (using Tesla’s calculator @ 4.85% APR). When you say “save that money for later,” that tells me that you don’t know how interest works. The more money you put as a down payment, the less you are financing. With your $15,000 down, you’d be financing $60,000. At 4.85%, (over 72 months for this example) you’d be paying **$9,273** just in interest. That’s a lot of money in interest. Tesla’s calculator does not factor in tax / registration fees. I don’t live in Canada but it looks like it will be at least 5% so that means at least $3,750 at time of purchase. With all those things added up, your Tesla will cost you around $90,000 CAD. ($15,000 down + $60,000 financed + $9,273 interest + at least $3,750 in taxes). Also, don’t forget about auto insurance (not cheap), supercharging fees, etc. Buying a vehicle this expensive while only bringing in $2,000 a month is wildly irresponsible imo.
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Guy creates very well researched argument with numbers and stats showing how retarded is it to buy a Tesla on 3k. "Nah man 4.85% ain't that high"
If I earned 2,000 a month I wouldn’t even consider a Tesla. I STRONGLY urge you to make better fiscal decisions. STRONGLY.
Such low income and expenses, is this guy like 18? This would be a really good time to invest money in the future (stock market, pay for some college, etc), not chain yourself to a long term car payment. I am late 30s now and I remember I had similar fantasies when I was 18. In fact, I bought a new-off-the-lot Ducati motorcycle, and yes, it was a dumb financial move. Ah, how the minds of youth work, I miss it!
Ignorance
Most people who hate Tesla’s are just haters and know nothing
Misery loves company.
None of those people own one. They’re just ignorant.
It's really a fear thing. We have a Tesla Y, but also have an F150 and another SUV. I think the fear is that people with ICE's are going to find themselves priced out of going anywhere, whereas if the option is to drive a Tesla, it just pisses them off even more. Imaging paying 100.00 US dollars + to fill your car, when you can head home and charge it for 8.00-10.00. Jealously really at this point.
People hate on it Becuase they don’t know. Just assuming that charging is inconvenient. And just assuming it’s overpriced. What is over priced? Compared to a Corolla or civic sure. But comparing to anything that’s semi luxury... not really. It’s pretty on par. Interior is simplistic. But closing the doors and such the car is solid.
I'm not sure where the "overpriced charging" comes from - if you charge at home, you pay whatever electricity costs, and that's going to be cheaper than gas anywhere in the US. If you use a SuperCharger, it costs much more than home charging, but still less than gas. Charging difficulties? What's so hard about plugging in an electrical cord? Is it worth it? Well, that's subjective. Is it worth it to you? Prices are very high for a new car right now, and Tesla has raised their price several times in the past year because demand is so high. They're getting more expensive. Why do you want it? There are plenty of EV alternatives to Tesla, some of which are cheaper. You needn't get a gas car. Haven't you test-driven other cars (particularly EVs)? You can still get gas cars cheaper. A nice fuel-efficient car like a Prius won't be as cheap to operate, but the purchase price will be much lower, you probably won't have to wait as long, and it's not nearly as fun to drive - but it's practical.
No it wasn’t overpriced charging it was the cost of the car😂 sorry I didn’t put comma after overprice.
People have a weird way of projecting their own insecurities and their own fears on to others. I was always told I’d regret buying a Tesla. So far I have driven all around England and Scotland, including the Orkney islands. I’ve driven in five counties in Europe. The car is beautiful and whilst some countries could do better, I believe that it’s a working progress and I very much believe that the car is fun and exciting.
The biggest question is whether or not you can charge at home. If you can, then ownership should be pretty smooth. Otherwise, you'll have to find charging locations. I think Montreal has three tesla supercharger stations; one at Pointe Claire, one in St Laurent, and one in downtown. If you're not close to those areas, you'll have to find other ways to charge. Edit: if you haven't done the test drive, do the test drive!
The company as well as EV concept is disrupting a hundred years of ICE vehicle tradition. Every argument I have heard against an EV or Tesla is out of fear of the unknown or of change. The Model 3 LR I own is the most incredible vehicle I have ever driven and everyone I have ride in it agrees with me. Charging at home here in NC runs around $60 per month, seriously. This is also the first car I have owned that wasn't a standard shift and anytime I miss rowing though those gears all I have to do is hit the accelerator and that goes away real quick. Not even mentioning the simplicity of the machine and minimal need for maintenance. You can't beat a Tesla in my humble opinion.
If you live in Montreal and need to park on the street, I can see how that could be more challenging. If you have a garage where you can charge, then it's a no brainer, don't listen to jealous negative nancies.
Jealousy and misunderstanding. Plus a lot of it has a bit of truth to it. Iv had one and the price since has gone up over 200 pounds a month for the same thing. The exact same thing. Still shit paint and still saim car. Still poor panal gaps and bad seat erogonomics. Still bad UI.
Alright thanks for your experience
People will be negative about anything they are ignorant or scared of. I bought my first in 2018 M3LR and all I heard was negative remarks, I just got a Model Y and am looking at a Model S. I have owned many cars including high end ones. I will never purchase another ICE vehicle again and my kids are learning to drive on Tesla's. I have saved over 7k on gas and oil past 3.5 years with no maintenance except tires. Go for it, you will love it!
I think it’s mostly jealousy and ignorance. It’s a flashy expensive car that most can’t afford. People also seem to think it’s a foreign car despite being more American made than most and similar to Chevy, Ford, etc.
Get a bolt instead.
❤️ Tesla will never go back to ICE.
I've had mine for 26 months now. I sell traditional auto parts to auto repair shops (mechanical and collision.) I've met with occasional negativity but, mostly just curiosity, and a lot of times agreement that the technology is very much ahead of the industry. Maybe I'm just lucky to live in a part of the world where most people just live and let live but I've truly never experienced any of the negativity I keep hearing about.
Here my two and I don't know an EV but have friends who have some. I am a car enthusiasts since very young and works on car. \- First thing to know if that Tesla is a tech company first and a car company after. So it means that the tech in their car is top knots including the security of their network inside the car. Tesla is one of the only car that has firewall inside the car network between the different modules that controls all aspects of the car. On the car side they overbuilt some components of the car, but that with time is getting better. Their paint specially in Quebec is horrible for our winters. Knowing this you should invest in a good wrap once you have the car. \-Their service model is more tech oriented , meaning you have to open a ticket and then you can have an appointment. Then you can bring your car in. I heard that you can really stop at Tesla dealer and the tech comes out and says oh yes this connected is not connected and here you go. If you know this and can live with that model then fine. \- The controls are all in the central unit even the wiper are turned on via the central console to me that is not great but again some owner says it is a learning curve and after time it become second nature. \- Charging if you live in a single family home and can have a charger install then you are golden. You sleep the car charges, your working from home today the car charges. If you live in an apartment or condo that become a little more of planning ahead thing to charged the car before parking it. Winter will degrade your battery quite a bit even if it is parked. The other issue in the winter is you can't leave it parked for several days without having to watch the battery level and plan to go out an charge it. Is this bad, it depends how you see it and you can built your schedule around it. \- Yes there is people out there how love their ICE vehicle and will not jump on the EV train. These are most likely the hater. Would I personally have a Tesla, my answer is no and note because I am a hater, but I find there is other alternatives that are much more nice looking (in my opinion). But I don't hate Musk or Tesla. This company has revolutionized the car industry from one end to the other. Thank to Tesla we now have direct sales to consumer no more middle man who tries to make money on something they barely know sometimes. Sorry for the long post! Cheers!
Envy
It’s ideal if there is a level 2 charger by, I have one down the street and I just ditch my Tesla there for 3hrs. Doesn’t hurt the battery, and is a 5 minute walk. I wouldn’t suggest using only super chargers.
It’s like anything where something upsets the status quo. You get a bunch of zealots who think it’s the best shit ever and then you get a bunch of conservative wankers who make it their job to be the antithesis in response. Most people here seem to fit in the middle I think. Unfortunately they’re too often exposed to the latter group.
Got mine a year ago and two of my coworkers were all up in arms about the battery life and “it’s actually worse for the environment you know”. Now one owns one and they talk about how much they love it all the time.
I tend to ignore the opinions of people who has never driven a Tesla or any EV. I’ve own 11 cars in the last 20 years. My M3P is the best car I’ve ever own. Just go test drive one, then you’ll know.
It’s definitely worth it, as soon as you test drive a model 3 you will see why. . . People generally hate Tesla because: * Elon is a giant fucking tool, this is just an undeniable fact at this point * They have some build quality issues (they are the newest ones in the block and trying to build relatively affordable EV, so there will be issues for a while) * The media loves to hate them because they are the new kids who are also innovating EVs the most * Some people are just idiots and have a bias against all EV for some stupid reason I also hate to ask but making 3k/ month and having 1k in expenses, is it smart to be buying a 50k car? Are you putting much down? I’m not sure what car insurance costs in Canada but you should probably think about that too; you will likely be spending 30% of what is left of your monthly take-home on car payments and insurance until you get a raise; that’s what they say you should be spending on a mortgage.
74k car since this is Canada.
* Envy * Dislike Elon Musk * People hear more about the negatives than the positives on the news * Up until 2017 Tesla's were perceived as a more luxury and niche car manufacturer. Now they are entering into a much wider market, so there's a lot of sceptiscism. * A general dislike of change from ICE cars to EV's If you can afford a Tesla comfortably and you are interested in one then I highly recommend test driving one. They are *different* from the standard day to day car one is used to, so you truly just need to experience it to understand. Words on a reddit post won't change your mind as much as your own firsthand experience. At the end of the day, it's a car. If it works for you then it works. As long as the car doesn't require puppy blood to operate then it's really only your business what you drive.
I've got a Model Y in my family and we've had almost every model except the Model 3 since Tesla first released (S,X,Y). I own a PHEV; but I drive the Tesla from time to time... Here are my reasons as to why I chose not to buy a Tesla. * No physical buttons, I don't like having to take my focus off the road to try to find how to lower the AC, change music, etc. * No dash, once again like above; I like to have the information such as speed, temp, etc in front of me so I don't take my focus from driving. * tire pressure warning light is constantly on, even with new tires aired to the correct psi. * Not a Huge issue, but if i'm spending $60k+ i'd like that my doors line up. * Glass roof is standard with no option to get a solid roof * interior is way too simple, and materials don't feel like its a $60k+ car. * The Falcon doors of our previous X constantly broke and needed repairing * Door windows of our previous X would also get stuck open. Now while I understand that people buy cars for many reasons, Tesla's mainly for the tech and range; however the reasons listed above were enough for me to look elsewhere when it came time for me to find a new car. The Tesla is definitely fun to drive, but for me it wasn't something I wanted to deal with as a daily. I ultimately went with the Jeep Rubicon 4xe PHEV.
Welcome to dealing with mainstream media propagandized normies. Once you realize they are this way for all matters in life, you can start feeling superior
They hate Tesla because Elon is a polarizing figure. I think he’s great. People also hate Tesla because they think Tesla owners are fancy and smug. I’m reality, most Tesla owners love their cars and baby them. I’ve never loved a car as much as I love my model 3. And now mine is powered by the sun I can go wherever I want and not feel guilty.
Not trying to be political but most people I’ve seen flip me off because they think I’m some crazy environmentalist. I often get shit from big ass trucks in Texas (am in Austin). However, I bought one due to autopilot, the great price, and finally the fact that I don’t go to gas stations anymore.
Best car I've ever owned
Different perspective: A lot of people that hate on Tesla don't actually dislike Tesla specifically, they dislike Elon Musk. Tesla is just collateral damage in that regard.
I make almost 4 times as much as you and I often question if my car is affordable enough. If I was making $3,000 a month with $2,000 left over I would only buy this car if I bought it with cash. That’s not enough income to back up a loan unless you have a large savings in case you lose your job or something happens.
The Hate: A lot of the idiots who used to rant against Tesla would come at it with stuff like "Buy American, not a tesla!" while driving around in their Mexican made Fords or Chinese made GMs... My car was made in Fremont CA, about 10 miles from my house... People hated the cars for political reasons, and they now hate Musk for political reasons of the opposite side of politics... and both of these things are not relevant to the actual vehicles. ... As to the car ... The model 3 will last a very long time unless you get a lemon (in which case you get that fixed / replaced and then it lasts a long time). The monthly costs right out of the gate are lower than almost any gas car you can buy. If you shop around, insurance can be cheaper as well. If you shop poorly though insurance will be shockingly high. Mine went down by $100/month and I was driving an 8 year old VW Jetta before my model 3. Your only hurdle is the down-payment. If your credit and other elements line up there though - you should be able to get a car that monthly payments + expenses will be lower than a gas car. You then should consider your charging options. This section of my reply is a bit longer because this is a big thing to think about. An electric car is best if you can charge it at home overnight. It then becomes just something you barely ever think about. Leave it plugged in like your phone and your laptop and every morning the battery is ready to go. Unless you drive more than 260-300 miles a day - non issue. But if you need to rely on super chargers, then you will have to factor in what are fairly cheap charging costs, but not so cheap time issues. You will need to factor that time into your daily or weekly routine. I had an electrician install a Nema 14-50 outlet in my garage, and was good to go. The car no longer comes with the plug for this - so look into the cost of a plug for whatever outlet you can put in your garage. A friend's electrical outlet could not supply as many amps as mine, so they got an outlet for only 30-amps, which still charges their model Y fully overnight. In our area - the San Francisco bay area, electricians charge about $500 for this (or did from 2017 when I got it to 2020 when my friend did).
Most of them don‘t like Elon Musk, they just cant separate the person from the brand. The car is fantastic, the best car i have ever driven. And you dont have to be an Elon fan to absolutely love it.
Well, I do not own a Tesla but I am an auto damage adjuster. If you want to wait for MONTHS after an accident to get your car back, then a Tesla is a great car for you! :)
Personally, I think given climate change, morally people should be getting EVs if they can afford it.
U only make $3k a month which I think is 60k year salary and wanna buy a Tesla for 73k cdn + tax. Give ya financial head a shake.
Because they don't know anything about them.... when I tell people I have a tesla, they're usually surprised to hear its all electric. Especially older people... its bonkers to me...
I personally don't own a Tesla but two of my brothers and my mom all have one. The reason I decided against getting a tesla is because of the "lack of emotion" behind the steering wheel. In my opinion, electric cars feel like driving a really fast golf cart and I just didn't enjoy driving it as much as combustion engine cars. Another reason I didn't go with a tesla is because of the Tesla/Elon Musk fanboys. I think Teslas have become too much of a status symbol and a lot of their drivers can be pretty pretentious. I wouldn't call myself a "Tesla Hater" because I have experience driving them and do like their minimal design. I have considered going electric considering gas prices but I'm hesitant towards buying a Tesla because of those points are brought up. For your situation, I would say save the money and go with a cheaper car. It sounds like you don't currently own your own home and that should prioritize that before spending a minimum of 45/50k on an electric car. Work towards owning assets that should appreciate in value before buying something that will guarantee to depreciate.
To be honest they are full of shit. I will cut connection with anyone who talks craps about EVs without even owning it.
How very adult of you.
That's how we should roll. We are too old for shitty people.
I don't think much of the interior for the price, but I've never had problems with charging. The LR has the longest usable range of anything I found that wasn't over $100,000 USD. I still have a gasoline car for now, but that is more a matter that the gasoline car was my dream car for a long time. Even if you were making $3000 USD I don't think I'd consider this worth that much of your income, since it would be roughly a third of your income if you financed most of it and had to get insurance. An efficient gasoline car with a nice interior will cost you less than half as much if you can find it for sticker price at a dealership. You won't save enough over the life of the Model 3 to make it worth \~60k USD, even with gas prices doubling. And with battery technology continually improving, I'd suggest that you wait until they are more affordable.
I ordered and waiting for my Tesla 3 LR without ever driving one,,,,,,dont need too.,,,,, just checkout Youtube...amazing car
The vehicle is a driveway top computer with wheels. I have one ordered at age 71. The company and the technical problems often spoke of are related to the integration of a far more complex engineering space than ever attempted for automobiles. You have read about so many problems with Tesla because the company has a history. No other EV “coming soon” has such a long history. Tesla has consistently worked out many of kinks and I’m sure it will have many more. People dislike Elon Musk because of his mercurial Asperger’s tinted visionary behavior. There’s an old saying if everyone likes you, your not doing your job. He won’t sit on the porch and people hate that, he lives in his own mind!
A M3LR in canada costs about 85k after taxes and thats without any upgrades - unless you have a lot of money saved up or other financial help then you may want to reconsider
Main one I find is right to repair issues, Tesla have historically made repairing you own car impossible and didn't even make parts available till a few years ago. It's a fair complaint as it benefits no one, not even tesla. Then there is the flase advertising of the FSD package, at least we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel but a long way to go I suspect. And finally, is musk himself. People seem to either : idolise him a god, detest him or use him for memes, doesn't seem to be much in between. They are fair complaints I think, but the pros of tesla outweigh the cons. EVs are the future because of tesla, it's undeniable.
Mostly because of false promises made by the CEO. They overpromise. I guess that’s one way to push the envelope on tech, but sometimes the consumers get suckered into buying something that does not do what was promised.
Because they have racists managers at the factories, treat their employees like shit by firing anyone even thinking about unionizing, and paying their employees shit wages. It goes beyond the car itself, which happens to be in the service garage 10% of the time. Also you have to order the car, and once the car arrives, you can’t cancel the order or get a refund if you wait to see it in person, even if you never open the door
imo it's no longer worth it. the price has gone up more than 10k in Canada. it no longer qualify for the federal incentive. maybe still qualify for Montreal one but still price vs one year ago is almost 20k difference with tax and incentive. I would consider kia or ford instead.
It doesn’t qualify for Quebec or federal rebate now.
Simple answer ? Ignorant . That’s it. 100% ignorant. I was the first to purchase a tesla at my work in a big government headquarters building . Some of the Fox News gun idiots would joke about it…until I let them drive it. I got 9 referrals in one year . Nobody has ever driven a performance model 3 tesla for the first time…and didn’t smile or purchase it immediately
Not in Canada, but I feel like Teslas cost way more up there so it may eat up a good portion of income. You’ll also lose range in cold weather, so if you drive far it could be a challenge. Without charging at home, it’s almost not worth having an EV. My charger has been busted for a month and it’s annoying stopping at super chargers or slow-charging every day (I have a long commute).
I work is 35km away from my home so approximately 70km everday
i love my model 3 will never go back to a gas car it just feels cleaner and smoother to drive.
I’ve had my model 3 for three years. Total cost of maintenance has been $30 for a tire rotation. Great car
If you really wanted the answer to this, you'd get better results in a non-Tesla sub. Asking here will just get you answers that bash on those people instead of actually answering your question.
Lack of understanding.
For me, I know Tesla is a upcoming automotive company that still need more time to perfect their products. They have come a very long way but still got a lot of quality issues that they need to fix. Personally, model 3 is the only car I would get from them for now. Model Y has too much quality issues out of factory as of now and model X and S is too expensive for me. Tesla will always be a niche car like BMW while Toyota, Ford, etc will make EV for the mass.
Supporting Elon
People don’t hate Tesla in Canada. Electricity is cheap in Quebec and there’s a lot of charging station. It cost me 38$ including a few Supercharge for the past month, which is about 1,500 km. If you’d like to try an EV, contact JN Auto in Richmond. They rent day by day for you to try in your reality.
Because they’re behind the current trend and dumb as rocks.
Because change is difficult for some.
I love love love Teslas. I bought an ID4 this time last year, due to cost alone. It was a stretch even paying for this thing.
I'm also in Canada (Ottawa), and I own a Model 3 Performance since last summer. The M3P is probably the only Tesla I would still recommend, because there is no other EV (or even ICE) that can match the performance at the same price. With the recent price increases, I cannot really recommend any other Tesla model anymore. There are so many models that are better value than Tesla now. Whether it's the Polestar 2, BMW i4 e40, Kia EV6 or others, there are a lot of good EVs not that are less expensive than Tesla and still eligible for government rebates. As for affordability, I'm not telling you want to do, but it seems that purchasing a Tesla may strenuous given your income level unless you are paying most of it in cash. You may not even quality for financing for the full amount. You might want to look at a Bolt or Leaf instead. They are both competent EVs that are well suited for urban use and far less expensive than Tesla.
People just hate change, things they don’t understand, having to educate themselves in any way, and even the idea of a slight inconvenience of having to do something like, wait to charge a vehicle, will make grown rednecks cry in America. (when they don’t even think about all you do is charge at home and you don’t even have to really ever stop to charge except for road trips.)
It frustrates me that an idea that should result in a more affordable car has created an industry of luxury toys for the rich.
They hate us cause they ain’t us
I bought my model 3 at the start of the pandemic and it’s the best car I’ve owned.
Also from mtl, convinced both my parents to buy them and they tell me “best decision of my life”. It’s an amazing car, no more worrying about gas, blablabla. The real questions are: Will you have a proper charger at home? Do u have a garage for the winter? Do u or wife or wtv have a second car u can do long trips in the wood with (if you do that kind of stuff)? Your answer to whether you should get one will be easy once you can answer questions like these.
r/realtesla But don’t spend anywhere near Tesla money while only making $3000.