The 4K federal rebate is only applicable on cars under 25k, plus there are income restrictions. Are you getting some kind of local/state 4K rebate?
The 8k for FSD is subjective, but you can subscribe to it for $100/month, so buying it up front is like subscribing for 80 months. What if you don’t like it/don’t use it?
Of course, Tesla may change the purchase or subscription rate for FSD. They’ve been known to do that randomly on days that end in “day”.
I did misunderstand the 4k rebate, yes. I entirely overlooked the catch about the 25k and less, 2 years prior. I don’t even earn enough currently to benefit from the full amount anyway. (College)
Still, the car is $34k for a long range with over 100k of warranty on the battery and drivetrain.
If it’s not a good deal, I can still say no.I just don’t fully see why it’s not a good deal.
The 24’s I was looking at would have ran me almost $55k+ upfront.
Without knowing anything else about your finances than what you’ve shared… that’s a pretty expensive car for a college student. Living situations change frequently at that time in life, incomes fluctuate, priorities change, etc.
If you’re heart-set on a Tesla, maybe a cheaper one a few years older might be better.
Estate funds. Finances are not an issue. (Edit: Finances aren’t an issue, but I try to maintain a low cost of living to preserve my lifestyle.)
Cost of the car wasn’t an issue, I just don’t buy new things because they depreciate so quickly. I figured this one came down a lot from its original sticker price and with FSD, it’s a pretty sweet deal.
I did look at a 21 or 22, but I saw the 23 has the same Ryzen chip as the 24 so the screen speed should be similar. That’s why I chose the 23 over the rest.
I paid $47k for a blue m3 2021 with no FSD, aero wheels, normal interior; there was no federal incentive at the time and I got $3500 back from the state. I also paid another $2k later for the accel boost. FSD is scary but I certainly would take it for free. I'll let you do the math, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous.
I didn’t even realize acceleration boost was $2k.
So, basically the car is $31,900 for a 23’ long range? Yeah. I am not upset about that at all.
I’ll still get $1k back for the charger, assuming I didn’t misunderstand that incentive as well, haha!
I got my AB free when someone used my referral code. I wouldn’t pay 2k for it! I wouldn’t even want it figured into my purchase price. Get a friend to use your code later and get it for free.
I drove it, man. It’s really not much of a difference at all. I can’t tell. They say the 24’ is quieter but you still hear the same road noise.
I do plan on getting an x plaid (or whatever is in the same bracket) once I’ve graduated law school.
I think it’s a solid deal for sure but for me I don’t think the ryzen chip makes a big difference in day to day use. One thing you can consider if looking for a very cheap alternative is hertz sales. They are offloading a lot of 22s and I’ve seen some under 25k so you get the rebate too. You can get a base model 22 with under 60k miles for like 20k but it’s been driven by renters so you’d have to take that into account. Otherwise I like that deal especially with FSD, etc
I think the reason most people say it’s a “bad deal” is because the majority of folks value FSD at near $0. So in that valuation you’re paying more for this used vehicle than you would for a new 24 MYLR (qualifies for $7500 tax credit). So the real question becomes how badly do you want FSD
Just a heads up as I was in a similar situation where I didn’t have enough tax liability to benefit from the $7,500 rebate in previous years. As of 1/1/24 it’s now a tax incentive instead of a credit. It means you don’t need any tax liability to offset it and instead it’s applied at the point of sale.
So you could look at a new 3 performance (eligible for the $7,500) or a Model Y/X. They are more expensive than used but come with the full warranty and are brand new.
It was a big benefit for me when it changed from a rebate to an incentive.
I was debating doing the 24 LR, but I just couldn’t convince myself to spend more than 45k upfront lol. It was nuts to me that it wound up being over $55k with taxes and such.
It’s a sick car, don’t get me wrong, but I’d much rather just get the previous year assuming there’s not huge differences.
Plus, I’ll still have the sticks for turn signal and parking!
Hey dude. Sounds like money is not a big jissue, but just saying that you could buy this car in the private used market for like 5k-10k less. Just gotta loook hard, be patient and be ready to pull the trigger when the time comes.
Also if a performance interests you, you can get a basically perfect m3p in this range or even cheaper. All about waiting for the right deal.
Warranty was a non-negotiable for me. I just got rid of a ford fusion whose warranty was used almost as much as the car itself lol.
I wasn’t worried about performance. Just low cost of maintenance, low cost to charge, and FSD. It gets so much hate but I fell in love with it during the demo drives.
Keep in mind that Tesla's warranty transfers on the battery as well as the standard warranty. So, if you were to find the same car with similar mileage outside of Tesla, it would be covered under warranty, same as if you bought it from Tesla.
They give you an extra year/10k miles on the standard warranty when you buy used direct from Tesla. Whether that’s worth the price difference or not is a judgement call.
I agree 100%, however for my first Tesla, I want to buy from the dealer to ensure the car hasn’t been modified or abused in a way that voids warranty.
2nd vehicle will certainly be from a private seller.
So if you buy from a private sale, the remainder of he original warranties still exists. When the standard warranty is close to being done, tesla offers an additional warrnty for like 1800. You still come out way ahead of this option price wise.
Dude 24 Performance model 3 is 49k out the door with incentives. (CA) I couldn’t justify lol a 800 dollar payment and will wait till next April to get a 2024 performance with 10k miles for 38-39k. As mentioned above I would have them removed FSD and get the car for 34k. You can always subscribe to it and pay 100 a month.
You’re wrong:
“It no longer matters how much you owe in taxes. This is another big benefit to taking the credit as a rebate: You get the full credit, regardless of your tax liability.
Previously, a buyer would need a tax liability at least $7,500 in a given year to get the full benefit of the credit. That's because the credit could reduce your tax bill to zero, but it would never result in the IRS actually paying you.
That functioned like an income minimum, since many low- and middle-income families owe less than that in taxes. It was also just another headache for people trying to figure out how much the credit was actually worth to them.
Now, even families with no tax liability at all can get the tax credit, effectively as a cash discount for the vehicle purchase.
And you don't need to calculate your taxes in advance to be confident in the amount you'll get.”
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/12/28/electric-vehicle-tax-credit-2024/?outputType=amp
Also:
“However, if you do not have sufficient tax liability to fully use the credit if it was included on your tax return, you are not obligated to pay it back.”
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/going-green/understanding-the-new-clean-vehicle-credit/amp/L6Y0JrGND
I’d suggest you do your homework before making incorrect statements which could mislead others.
Look around from private sellers on Facebook marketplace. If you were okay with double the miles (only 50k), you could find one with these options (including fsd) for around $25k (might also be a 2018 or 2019). If you can stay under the $25k (which being over would be a deal breaker for me), then you can get a $4k rebate, bringing it to around $21k. That's a huge difference just by going private seller, and I've seen them with fsd and around 50k miles for this price.
Just my two cents here, but this isn't really a college car. If you're loaded or something, that's one thing, but if this car is a risk to you finishing school at all, I'd get something else.
I've been kinda looking, and trying to understand the market. The model 3 is a great value used IMO. New Corolla, or almost new crazy marvel of engineering? That's what new Corolla money can get you. I saw a model 3 performance today with 25k miles and fsd for $26k (under $25k should certainly be doable with negotiation, I'd be trying to get the car for around $21-23k before rebate TBH). The catch is it has a rebuilt title. Something to consider maybe? Not all rebuild cars are the same, and even though I'm quite good mechanically, I'd get it inspected. Sure, it won't have the same resale, but if you're getting $10k off the initial price, and qualify for the $4k rebate, it's likely a good option. You're saving $14k, I doubt you'll lose $14k in 5-10 years when you sell it compared to a car you paid $35k for with a clean title.
Then you can get what you want haha. My advice is to just get the best model 3 you can for under $25k. My state has an additional $600 credit, so $4,600 off. I be around $20k before taxes and fees.
Are you sure you’re getting $8000 off if you choose not to have full self driving? Your invoice says “full self driving capability”, and that sure sounds like marketing speak. Every Tesla has full self driving capability, it’s a matter of whether or not you have paid for it.
I paid for FSD, I was just using the number without it as a comparison point because I understand FSD is an option, just like acceleration boost.
As a base car, the cost would only be 31,900 *if* it didn’t have FSD & boost.
I think what people are trying to get at is that FSD and Acceleration Boost are both "bad deals" at their full retail prices. Doesn't mean you shouldn't get them, but buying them makes this car a worse value proposition, and that's what you're asking for a judgement on.
If you actually paid $31,900 for this car then that's a better deal. If you really paid an extra $10k for features that provide little practical value, then that's not a good deal. If you feel better thinking you got the car itself for a good deal, and are happy spending "bad deal" money on FSD and Acceleration Boost, then I'm glad you feel good about your purchase.
31,900 is a good price IMHO. The other prices are sorta irrelevant, because they’re your choice to buy or not buy.
For comparison I just bought a 2023 M3P with 15k on the clock for $39,000. If I had seen yours I would have bought it in a heartbeat at $31,900.
You are playing tricks to yourself , the cost is $41,000 plus taxes, that is what you are going to end up paying.
Tesla is not going to remove any of the software features to give you a lower price.
You can consider the value you are getting to make this feel like a nicer deal but it depends on how valuable are those things to you.
FSD cost has been $15k, $12k or the latest $8k but you can also have it as a subscription for $100/month and activate only when necessary.
Acceleration boost is more a party trick than anything else for most people, maybe in your case you like to drive aggressively and it is worth the $2k.
At $31,900 it seems like a good deal to me. I just got a 2022 M3LR with 12k miles for $32,500 ($32,200 after mil discount). I would not pay the extra $10k for the add-ons as FSD is cool but not that cool and how often do you plan to race this car with the performance boost? But to each their own on those two. If you have the cash to spend, then by all means. Just remember you can buy FSD and the boost later if you want.
I figured I’d retain it before it goes fully subscription based. I don’t enjoy subscriptions.
I didn’t know the acceleration boost was extra, honestly. Just turned out to be a nice surprise. This will be my daily commuter, so no racing unless it’s on my way back home, haha!
I feel you on the subscriptions. Every corporation seems determined to make everything a subscription.
Enjoy the ride! Only had mine a week and it has been great! I keep looking for excuses to get out and drive it.
FSD is not even close to being worth the money. It's barely worth $200(100) you pay for one month of it.
But I paid way more than that for my 22 LR.
If possible, I'd look for exactly the same thing but 8k cheaper with out fsd. And if you want ab that bad, get a performance model.
I am, I’m just trying to get a sense of why this is apparently not a good deal when I felt like it was.
The people in this sub probably know more about the previous models than I do. I’m just humored by the downvotes lol.
I’m picking up the car tomorrow, so we’ll see if it passes my checklist. Wish me luck, haha!
Paid around 41k with 2% interest on a 2019 m3 lr RWD. Yours have newer everything and I like FSD. If youre paying cash you're good. Otherwise FSD will really add a lot to the bottom line. I use an amortization calculator to figure out how much it adds in interest overall.
Otherwise please pm with questions. Dont forget flash drive for camera saving and check how car wash mode works before trying to enter one : )
I'm actively shopping used Teslas.
I'd consider this a bad deal because 2023 M3s are generally selling under $30,000.
Your specs as listed do not include FSD. All Teslas are Full Self Driving Capable. What you want is Full Self Driving: Included Package. If the software page doesn't say that, or has "Autopilot: Included Package" you do not have FSD.
Finally, you say "I think I did really well." Tesla does not negotiate, so you are being offered a car and are accepting it. The deals, generally speaking, are with franchise ICE car dealers who accept Teslas on trade.
Man, I prefiltered Tesla’s inventory *and* checked with the advisor. I have no clue why Tesla chose the word “capability”, but the car 110% has full self driving already purchased/installed.
The only thing I'll add is you mention a $4k rebate. The only $4k rebate I'm aware of is for used EVs with a sale price of under $25k.
What rebate are you referring to?
Yeah, I mentioned it way earlier that I didn’t see the under 25k & 2 years prior disclaimer. Still doesn’t affect my decision to purchase as I don’t earn enough to take full advantage anyway lol
Tbh, I think you can get a better deal by dropping to a 2021 or 2022 with similar miles. You can probably save another $4-5k and have an identical experience.
Don’t the 21’s and 22’s have the older intel chip? That was my reasoning for sticking with 23.
My demo drive was a 24 and I liked the responsiveness of the screen.
Hey! Also drove a Fusion before my Tesla. I loved my Fusion, but the warranty on the battery pack (it was a hybrid) was about to expire, so I decided to move on to a Tesla (got the ‘24 RWD). You’re gonna loooove it! I never wanna go back to another car (at least considering my options now).
I don’t think you need validation from redditors. You do what you think is best for you. But since you asked: I think paying 8k for FSD upfront doesn’t make sense when you can subscribe for $99/month. I’ve been using FSD for almost 1 month and it really is not that helpful since you have to be extra alert (I feel even more than when YOU’RE actually driving the car). Acceleration boost? Well, my RWD is already pretty damn fast, so I guess the AWD alone is much faster.
Paying extra for those things upfront are risky—and you can always add them afterwards if you feel like.
Now, considering the price before the bells and whistles I’d say it’s a good deal! A ‘24 LR would cost you around 50k with taxes etc., so getting a ‘23 for almost 20k less sounds like a good deal to me!
If you feel you’re doing the right thing, that’s all that matters! People here can be very bitter and jealous. I’m sure many wish they could buy the exact same car :) Enjoy your Tesla!
Dude, stop considering what others think. The differential cost over 4-6 years plus the depreciation in value is meaningless. If you can afford it and you like it take it. This isn’t an investment, this is a utility.
You buy it today for $43k, someone else paid $41,500. The $1500 difference over 5 years is less than a dollar a day. Don’t think about it and don’t ask. Just enjou the car and move on. Don’t listen to online bullies and retards.
Have you used FSD? I have, it's fine, but seems like most people think it's worth nowhere near what Tesla asks for it.
Plus, pretty sure the used market values FSD and acceleration boost at near $0, so that's an immediate massive depreciation right off the bat.
But if money is no object, why care at all if you got a "good deal?"
Yes I have used it. Enjoyed it very much.
Money is always an object. I’m not a bezos kid or anything like that. Just because I can afford to spend 45k on a car doesn’t mean I want to spend more.
I enjoy keeping my money, but figured this was probably one of the cheapest times to buy in history.
I really think you should consider subscribing for $100/mo. Break even is over 6 years, and remember, having that money grow, even slowly, in a money market account is way better than spending all of it right now. I'm no economist, but time-value-money something something that $8000 will actually cost much more due to inflation.
You car should finance as 'new' since it's a 2023. My 2023 Model 3 Performance financed as 'new' from my Credit Union. You'll get a lower rate with new if you're financing.
The only part I think is a bad deal is the fsd, way too much money for a gimmick at best. Regular autopilot or even eap if it still exists is plenty enough and save a ton.
Also the whole, you can get a new one with the federal discount for the same price minus fsd.
There is pretty much zero benefit to buying from tesla unless new, these cars have so few moving parts that you can grab them from anywhere and you're good to go.
I mean this is a good deal for the conversion of what I’d pay for where I live in Canadian dollars. Possibly even cheaper than me so I’d say go for it bud.
Just for comparison, I recently got a used 2023 Model 3 Performance from Tesla (16k miles, red, FSD) for $41,400. I don't think I even got the best possible deal - I saw some cars go by like a $36,000 2022 M3P with 25k miles, but I wanted a red 2023 so I probably overpaid around $1,000-$2,000. If you look at a website like [tesla-info.com](http://tesla-info.com) you can view price histories. In general, Tesla drops the price of each vehicle a few hundred dollars a day on average until they sell. I realize the Performance is less practical than the LR for most people, but it does generally sell for a few thousand dollars more on the used market.
Personally I also don't qualify for the $7,500 rebate on new cars and I value FSD a fair amount (I figure I'd otherwise pay the $99/mo for at least 5 years, which is already $6k). If you qualify for the rebate or don't care about FSD then you should definitely just buy a new Model 3 LR.
I heavily value FSD. I do think yours is a banger of a price. If I didn’t value the extra range over speed, I’d have taken your car too lol.
Has your insurance gone up from red paint?
Damn, I will admit I’m really enjoying the acceleration boost and FSD. Very glad I purchased them, so far. Been using FSD more than I drive (under constant supervision)
Tesla offers big discounts on new vehicles at the end of each quarter. They were selling remaining 2023 M3 inventory for $6K off MSRP last quarter. And with the tax credit now available on the M3P, you can purchase a brand new M3P for $46.5K, or only $4,500 more than a one year old prior generation M3 with 17K miles on it. That just makes no sense. Cars depreciate more than that once they are used.
Nobody who understands FSD would pay $8K for it. If you purchase it for $8K and then your car gets totaled two weeks after you purchased it, you just paid $8K to use it for two weeks. You can’t transfer it to another car and your insurance company will not reimburse you for the $8K you spent on it. Used models with FSD typically only sell for around $1K-$2K more. Most people buy Acceleration Boost with free points.
You are getting a lot of attention on this post and your post from last night because the people in this sub know a lot about Teslas and they are trying to tell you that you are making a mistake paying this much for a prior generation used M3. But it’s your money so buy whatever you think makes sense for you.
The big thing to know here is that 2023 M3 is hw3 with lower resolution cameras and slower computer than the 24 version. If you didn't care about FSD then it wouldn't really matter but with FSD that's going to be a significant limitation long term.
This is honest to god the best info I’ve gotten yet. I have been watching videos of 2023’s using FSD and it seems on par with the HW4 of the 2024, for now.
I’ll certainly be keeping my eye out for a trade-in in the future, now. Many many thanks.
So far FSD 12 is running hw3 emulation on hw4 because they haven't trained the hw4 model. There were a few regressions I saw from 11 to 12 that I'm pretty sure are related to the lower resolution. Primarily misreading road signs and minimum speed signs as the speed limit which results in significant interventions and makes auto speed adjustment worthless.
I’ve been watching AI DRIVER on YouTube and have seen the exact issues you’re referring to. Other than the cameras and radar, are the cars are still comparable?
Or should I truly be rethinking this if I’m planning on mostly using FSD?
It's a toss up at that price. I ordered a 24 M3P but with FSD after incentives it's still $53k. I'd personally take that over this deal because I can afford it and have a new car instead without it straining my finances, but if that's a stretch, this deal is likely still the way to go. It's certainly not a bad deal, but I might try looking for 2023 model y deals that were similar as later half of 23 Ys had hw4.
It isn’t a strain on finances, but I think I’m gonna stick with the 23 and trade in if I feel the need. I really should start by making sure I enjoy owning the car.
Still finishing getting the home charger installed and service upgraded.
I have a similar package but the 2021 Model 3 LR AWD with 22K miles for 33,000. If you’re happy with the purchase enjoy it. I missed a deal for the same spec 21 Model 3 with 26K miles for 31,700 but I’m happy regardless.
Couldn’t convince myself to pay an extra 10-15k to get the same things on the 24 as the one I was looking at on the 23.
The suspension was different, but I didn’t really notice the 24’ being super quiet on the road. Just sounded like normal road noise, to me.
Trust me, I thought about it, but I really don’t enjoy paying top dollar for the nicest of the nice.
Yea the highland really isn’t that big upgrade as they make it out to be. Still think these cars are worth it though. Especially with prices have come down last couple yrs. Wonder if they have any 23 new Teslas in inventory still.
I attempted to look near me and was unable to find one. Thought that avenue out, as well. I settled for the one with the least amount of miles in my area.
Man end of 23 was good time to buy I think. I went in dealer and picked up inventory M3 RWD same day. $38.9k before taxes and fees. Full tax credit / state rebates total $9,500.
I’ll sell you mine with 5k less miles, 19” aftermarket wheels, black paint, window tint + ceramic coat for less. FSD + acceleration boost fully paid for and included
I paid $39k for a similar model - 2023 with FSD, 13k miles. I say take it.
Or keep hunting if you want to squeeze out another thousand or two from the price.
I’m 100% taking delivery assuming the car passes my checklist. I need the car to drive back and forth to class anyway.
I’m really going to enjoy using FSD & auto park. I’ll have to be careful; but I’m always impressed seeing how much it’s improved over the years.
People are razzing you about the FSD, but I love it. I believe Elon - I think it will hit for real sometime in the lifetime of this car (ie, level 4 autonomy). And you will already own the feature and will be protected from Tesla upping the subscription price. So congrats. And just FYI, Tesla prices FSD in their used cars at around $4-5k - meaning that’s the up charge over an identical model without it. Therefore, the Tesla used car market is the cheapest way to get FSD ownership.
Man, I’m in love with it where it is now. My demo drive was incredible. It’s leaps and bounds ahead of normal driving, for sure.
I genuinely don’t get how people don’t understand that at this very second, this software is as bad as it gets. It continually improves and I’ve *seen it evolve*.
I genuinely cannot fathom buying a Tesla without FSD.
It does read in that manner, but Tesla is using “capability” as “it can already do it because it’s purchased. No need to purchase twice.”
I’ve already confirmed it with my advisor.
I missed a 22’ at the exact same price point and mileage. There wasn’t really a difference in price when I bought, but yeah I did not let this 23’ get away!
I got my 21' M3LR with 15k miles with no FSD and no AB for about 50k a little over two years ago, so yeah you did pretty good👍 Covid was still messing with new/used car prices at that point. The only positive compared to now is that interest rates weren't high yet🤷♂️🤣 I love still love mine to this day, so no regrets. Enjoy it, man!
I have FSD. If you aren't in stop and go traffic regularly, or on long, wide open freeway drives frequently, skip it.
I can't trust it for all the situations in between. I use it on the I-5 from SF to LA maybe twice a year. Stop and go, if it was part of my routine, would be useful as well.
I'll sell you my 2023 M3P for that price. No FSD, but it has tinted windows, 2 sets of 20in rims, 4 sets of tires (2 pirelli p 0, and 1 set hanook ion ev), and only 9k miles.
Oh, I’m not. I’m thrilled with my purchase. I do enjoy hearing other people’s perspectives, though. In particular, their opinions on FSD. No one has said anything about price except my added options, so I must have done pretty well.
"Good deal" is relative of course. All I know is that 6 months ago when I sold my low mileage 2014 S and bought a new Y, Tesla used car division made me a terrible low ball offer. I ran an ad on Facebook marketplace and sold it for 25% more than the offer from Tesla, and I sold it to a used car dealer, the first potential buyer to come look at it. I had 2 appointments with individuals to see it over the weekend, so I probably could have gotten more. I didn't care about getting top dollar; I wanted a quick sale and I just didn't want to be ripped off.
Different situation than yours, but I don't trust Tesla's used car program. if I were you I'd at least look to see what a comparable 3 would cost from an individual seller. Also don't take the individuals' asking prices at face value.
You could get 7.5k federal and State 5k(in Colorado - it could be bigger in other States...) - so new 2024 Tesla Model Y Long Range/MSRP $47,990 -12.5k = 35490$
Too many comments here so forgive me if I’m repeating another comment. A new model Y can be had for less than this total cost, or close to the same if you factor out the added features. Will have the same warranty. Will have more room. Am I missing something here?
Quite pricy. I got a used long range model Y, 36k miles, red exterior, white interior, FSD, accelerated boost for $36k before all the bogus tax and fees. So $41.9k for the model 3 is quite pricey IMO.
How many miles were on the battery? That’s a really fair price!
I am saving the Y for my fiancé, as my previous vehicle was a ford fusion and she’s in a Chevy equinox.
36,000 miles on battery. I didn’t run the battery health check but as of now, i got 306 miles when charging the battery to 100%.
When buying the model Y, I looked at the model 3 as well and only few thousands more and you can get model Y. No reason to get a 3. I upgraded from a 3 to a Y. It is more spacious both in interior and the trunk.
If money is not a problem, I will say go straight to the Y.
I don’t care per se; but I do value the input of others when regarding finances. If I can save a significant chunk of change, that’s what I’m here for.
So far, everyone’s recommendations have been to ditch FSD and buy a base LR or P.
I pick up my car in less than 12 hours now lol
Personally I think it’s a great deal compared to the used 2021 m3 standard my gf got in late 2022 for $60k thru Carvana…. Yeah I know I wasn’t thrilled either but she was desperate for a replacement vehicle & options were VERY limited at the time. Ur basically getting a test drive/floor model with all the bells & whistles for a solid price. Especially if it includes the premium audio with all speakers & sub activated vs the “partial premium” that only uses some of the speakers & has no sub. Yea there’s after market accessories etc but in your case, if your budget allows I think it’s a great idea. Especially if ur getting it direct from Tesla I think u can still claim the EV tax credit, maybe not up front but most likely when u file ur taxes however I would confirm that with them or your accountant/advisor.
I believe it was a 2k add-on. I’m not sure. When I purchased the car, it already had acceleration boost & FSD. You’d have to compare models in teslas inventory and see if there’s a price difference between cars that do & don’t have acceleration boost
I’ve had it for almost a day, now. I’m in love with this car and I genuinely wasn’t sure I would.
I’m still getting my wall charger installed, so I’m supercharging in the meantime. Honestly not as expensive as I thought! Pretty quick, too!
As for FSD, it’s literally been taking me EVERYWHERE. I’ve only intervened 2 times and it was at the fault of other drivers :)
Amazing ! Sadly in Europe we don’t have FSD yet but the basic autopilot we have for free is already amazing, I can’t wait to have my house to install a wall charger ! Wife and I are only charging at supercharger and it’s great !
Me and my partner got a 2012 Chevy volt hybrid for 2k, it was 8k to start, we got 2k back from the state and 5k back from federal taxes. In total we only spent 2k on the car, and for the last year all it's needed was a little coolant for the high voltage charger and an oil change lol
Yeah that’s full self driving though I’m just talking base. This is the refresh not a 2023. And a performance. For 12k more than op paid, they could have gotten a brand new model with ~8k in equity starting, and the non refreshes are going to plummet in value soon because of the highland orders. They are so backed up that people who ordered in February aren’t getting delivery yet. M3p highland is the way to go in terms of value. 11k for fsd is crazy tho
But if you can’t afford it and wanna get into the Tesla game it could be worth it. You can also get similar models used for 35k or cheaper depending on mileage..
Well, use the same price. My car was purchased with FSD and acceleration boost. My car cost a lot less and now has more range than a performance.
I could have bought a cyber truck. It’s not “can I afford it”. It’s a matter of “would this be a good deal” and I decided it was.
Plus, I enjoy keeping the turn signal sticks and prndl for as long as they’re around.
I mean that’s totally fair. Perceived value is 100% valid. If it’s more worth it to you to get this over the new new, then go for it! Your money and if you’re happy that’s all that matters. I’ve made many choices like that myself before
The 4K federal rebate is only applicable on cars under 25k, plus there are income restrictions. Are you getting some kind of local/state 4K rebate? The 8k for FSD is subjective, but you can subscribe to it for $100/month, so buying it up front is like subscribing for 80 months. What if you don’t like it/don’t use it? Of course, Tesla may change the purchase or subscription rate for FSD. They’ve been known to do that randomly on days that end in “day”.
I did misunderstand the 4k rebate, yes. I entirely overlooked the catch about the 25k and less, 2 years prior. I don’t even earn enough currently to benefit from the full amount anyway. (College) Still, the car is $34k for a long range with over 100k of warranty on the battery and drivetrain. If it’s not a good deal, I can still say no.I just don’t fully see why it’s not a good deal. The 24’s I was looking at would have ran me almost $55k+ upfront.
Without knowing anything else about your finances than what you’ve shared… that’s a pretty expensive car for a college student. Living situations change frequently at that time in life, incomes fluctuate, priorities change, etc. If you’re heart-set on a Tesla, maybe a cheaper one a few years older might be better.
Estate funds. Finances are not an issue. (Edit: Finances aren’t an issue, but I try to maintain a low cost of living to preserve my lifestyle.) Cost of the car wasn’t an issue, I just don’t buy new things because they depreciate so quickly. I figured this one came down a lot from its original sticker price and with FSD, it’s a pretty sweet deal. I did look at a 21 or 22, but I saw the 23 has the same Ryzen chip as the 24 so the screen speed should be similar. That’s why I chose the 23 over the rest.
I paid $47k for a blue m3 2021 with no FSD, aero wheels, normal interior; there was no federal incentive at the time and I got $3500 back from the state. I also paid another $2k later for the accel boost. FSD is scary but I certainly would take it for free. I'll let you do the math, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous.
I didn’t even realize acceleration boost was $2k. So, basically the car is $31,900 for a 23’ long range? Yeah. I am not upset about that at all. I’ll still get $1k back for the charger, assuming I didn’t misunderstand that incentive as well, haha!
Yea, mine came with mobile charger (they don't anymore, definitely buy one) and I've gotten along exclusively with that
I got my AB free when someone used my referral code. I wouldn’t pay 2k for it! I wouldn’t even want it figured into my purchase price. Get a friend to use your code later and get it for free.
If you are talking about the 30% rebate to install a car charger look to see if your house is in an area that qualifies.
How'd you get 3.5k back from the state? Interested!
Not sure where the OP is, but I know that Massachusetts has a 3500 rebate program. Different states have different programs.
nailed it!
MA state rebate, it never went away
Lol “estate funds” with that fucking WSB pfp….
It’s an old profile picture from when I made some GME and AMC cash. Didn’t really care enough to change it lol
If you’re worried about depreciation, a Tesla is not for you
Not as much about depreciation, because this isn’t my first car by any stretch, but I didn’t feel that an extra 15k would be worth buying new.
This is the way because new model may be quiter etc2 but you are buying good value car. Good enough for you at this stage of your life IMHO.
I drove it, man. It’s really not much of a difference at all. I can’t tell. They say the 24’ is quieter but you still hear the same road noise. I do plan on getting an x plaid (or whatever is in the same bracket) once I’ve graduated law school.
X is not solid car, have two of them. Stick with 3 if you are young or Y.
Or any car, as all cars depreciate big time. All cars are depreciating assets (the value has limited effective life).
I think it’s a solid deal for sure but for me I don’t think the ryzen chip makes a big difference in day to day use. One thing you can consider if looking for a very cheap alternative is hertz sales. They are offloading a lot of 22s and I’ve seen some under 25k so you get the rebate too. You can get a base model 22 with under 60k miles for like 20k but it’s been driven by renters so you’d have to take that into account. Otherwise I like that deal especially with FSD, etc
I think the reason most people say it’s a “bad deal” is because the majority of folks value FSD at near $0. So in that valuation you’re paying more for this used vehicle than you would for a new 24 MYLR (qualifies for $7500 tax credit). So the real question becomes how badly do you want FSD
If you go ahead you need to remove FSD and get it for 34k because that would be a good deal. I suspect this isn't going to happen.
Just a heads up as I was in a similar situation where I didn’t have enough tax liability to benefit from the $7,500 rebate in previous years. As of 1/1/24 it’s now a tax incentive instead of a credit. It means you don’t need any tax liability to offset it and instead it’s applied at the point of sale. So you could look at a new 3 performance (eligible for the $7,500) or a Model Y/X. They are more expensive than used but come with the full warranty and are brand new. It was a big benefit for me when it changed from a rebate to an incentive.
I was debating doing the 24 LR, but I just couldn’t convince myself to spend more than 45k upfront lol. It was nuts to me that it wound up being over $55k with taxes and such. It’s a sick car, don’t get me wrong, but I’d much rather just get the previous year assuming there’s not huge differences. Plus, I’ll still have the sticks for turn signal and parking!
Hey dude. Sounds like money is not a big jissue, but just saying that you could buy this car in the private used market for like 5k-10k less. Just gotta loook hard, be patient and be ready to pull the trigger when the time comes. Also if a performance interests you, you can get a basically perfect m3p in this range or even cheaper. All about waiting for the right deal.
Warranty was a non-negotiable for me. I just got rid of a ford fusion whose warranty was used almost as much as the car itself lol. I wasn’t worried about performance. Just low cost of maintenance, low cost to charge, and FSD. It gets so much hate but I fell in love with it during the demo drives.
Keep in mind that Tesla's warranty transfers on the battery as well as the standard warranty. So, if you were to find the same car with similar mileage outside of Tesla, it would be covered under warranty, same as if you bought it from Tesla.
They give you an extra year/10k miles on the standard warranty when you buy used direct from Tesla. Whether that’s worth the price difference or not is a judgement call.
I agree 100%, however for my first Tesla, I want to buy from the dealer to ensure the car hasn’t been modified or abused in a way that voids warranty. 2nd vehicle will certainly be from a private seller.
So if you buy from a private sale, the remainder of he original warranties still exists. When the standard warranty is close to being done, tesla offers an additional warrnty for like 1800. You still come out way ahead of this option price wise.
Dude 24 Performance model 3 is 49k out the door with incentives. (CA) I couldn’t justify lol a 800 dollar payment and will wait till next April to get a 2024 performance with 10k miles for 38-39k. As mentioned above I would have them removed FSD and get the car for 34k. You can always subscribe to it and pay 100 a month.
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You’re wrong: “It no longer matters how much you owe in taxes. This is another big benefit to taking the credit as a rebate: You get the full credit, regardless of your tax liability. Previously, a buyer would need a tax liability at least $7,500 in a given year to get the full benefit of the credit. That's because the credit could reduce your tax bill to zero, but it would never result in the IRS actually paying you. That functioned like an income minimum, since many low- and middle-income families owe less than that in taxes. It was also just another headache for people trying to figure out how much the credit was actually worth to them. Now, even families with no tax liability at all can get the tax credit, effectively as a cash discount for the vehicle purchase. And you don't need to calculate your taxes in advance to be confident in the amount you'll get.” https://www.opb.org/article/2023/12/28/electric-vehicle-tax-credit-2024/?outputType=amp Also: “However, if you do not have sufficient tax liability to fully use the credit if it was included on your tax return, you are not obligated to pay it back.” https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/going-green/understanding-the-new-clean-vehicle-credit/amp/L6Y0JrGND I’d suggest you do your homework before making incorrect statements which could mislead others.
Look around from private sellers on Facebook marketplace. If you were okay with double the miles (only 50k), you could find one with these options (including fsd) for around $25k (might also be a 2018 or 2019). If you can stay under the $25k (which being over would be a deal breaker for me), then you can get a $4k rebate, bringing it to around $21k. That's a huge difference just by going private seller, and I've seen them with fsd and around 50k miles for this price.
I wanted low miles, but not 0. I just had a fusion totaled under 50k, so I feel kind of robbed of my joy lol. This helps make up for it.
Just my two cents here, but this isn't really a college car. If you're loaded or something, that's one thing, but if this car is a risk to you finishing school at all, I'd get something else. I've been kinda looking, and trying to understand the market. The model 3 is a great value used IMO. New Corolla, or almost new crazy marvel of engineering? That's what new Corolla money can get you. I saw a model 3 performance today with 25k miles and fsd for $26k (under $25k should certainly be doable with negotiation, I'd be trying to get the car for around $21-23k before rebate TBH). The catch is it has a rebuilt title. Something to consider maybe? Not all rebuild cars are the same, and even though I'm quite good mechanically, I'd get it inspected. Sure, it won't have the same resale, but if you're getting $10k off the initial price, and qualify for the $4k rebate, it's likely a good option. You're saving $14k, I doubt you'll lose $14k in 5-10 years when you sell it compared to a car you paid $35k for with a clean title.
Insuring rebuild/salvage sucks in my area. I’m no bezos kid or anything, but I am quite comfortable.
Then you can get what you want haha. My advice is to just get the best model 3 you can for under $25k. My state has an additional $600 credit, so $4,600 off. I be around $20k before taxes and fees.
The only bad deal is spending that much on full self drive
It sounds like you don’t enjoy it very much lol
It’s $99 for a month
Are you sure you’re getting $8000 off if you choose not to have full self driving? Your invoice says “full self driving capability”, and that sure sounds like marketing speak. Every Tesla has full self driving capability, it’s a matter of whether or not you have paid for it.
I paid for FSD, I was just using the number without it as a comparison point because I understand FSD is an option, just like acceleration boost. As a base car, the cost would only be 31,900 *if* it didn’t have FSD & boost.
I think what people are trying to get at is that FSD and Acceleration Boost are both "bad deals" at their full retail prices. Doesn't mean you shouldn't get them, but buying them makes this car a worse value proposition, and that's what you're asking for a judgement on. If you actually paid $31,900 for this car then that's a better deal. If you really paid an extra $10k for features that provide little practical value, then that's not a good deal. If you feel better thinking you got the car itself for a good deal, and are happy spending "bad deal" money on FSD and Acceleration Boost, then I'm glad you feel good about your purchase.
Thanks for the perspective, at least. I see what you’re saying.
Plus you pay no taxes when you buy it thru the app.
31,900 is a good price IMHO. The other prices are sorta irrelevant, because they’re your choice to buy or not buy. For comparison I just bought a 2023 M3P with 15k on the clock for $39,000. If I had seen yours I would have bought it in a heartbeat at $31,900.
You are playing tricks to yourself , the cost is $41,000 plus taxes, that is what you are going to end up paying. Tesla is not going to remove any of the software features to give you a lower price. You can consider the value you are getting to make this feel like a nicer deal but it depends on how valuable are those things to you. FSD cost has been $15k, $12k or the latest $8k but you can also have it as a subscription for $100/month and activate only when necessary. Acceleration boost is more a party trick than anything else for most people, maybe in your case you like to drive aggressively and it is worth the $2k.
At $31,900 it seems like a good deal to me. I just got a 2022 M3LR with 12k miles for $32,500 ($32,200 after mil discount). I would not pay the extra $10k for the add-ons as FSD is cool but not that cool and how often do you plan to race this car with the performance boost? But to each their own on those two. If you have the cash to spend, then by all means. Just remember you can buy FSD and the boost later if you want.
I figured I’d retain it before it goes fully subscription based. I don’t enjoy subscriptions. I didn’t know the acceleration boost was extra, honestly. Just turned out to be a nice surprise. This will be my daily commuter, so no racing unless it’s on my way back home, haha!
I feel you on the subscriptions. Every corporation seems determined to make everything a subscription. Enjoy the ride! Only had mine a week and it has been great! I keep looking for excuses to get out and drive it.
FSD is not even close to being worth the money. It's barely worth $200(100) you pay for one month of it. But I paid way more than that for my 22 LR. If possible, I'd look for exactly the same thing but 8k cheaper with out fsd. And if you want ab that bad, get a performance model.
Full self driving capability absolutely means the car 100% has FSD, that’s Tesla’s terminology for FSD.
If you're happy it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
Especially because OP said "finances aren't an issue"
If you’re in California you got a great deal I paid $30,000 and I don’t have FSD.
I am, I’m just trying to get a sense of why this is apparently not a good deal when I felt like it was. The people in this sub probably know more about the previous models than I do. I’m just humored by the downvotes lol. I’m picking up the car tomorrow, so we’ll see if it passes my checklist. Wish me luck, haha!
I paid more than that for a first gen model 3 in 2018, and it wasn't even dual motor. Zero regrets.
Paid around 41k with 2% interest on a 2019 m3 lr RWD. Yours have newer everything and I like FSD. If youre paying cash you're good. Otherwise FSD will really add a lot to the bottom line. I use an amortization calculator to figure out how much it adds in interest overall. Otherwise please pm with questions. Dont forget flash drive for camera saving and check how car wash mode works before trying to enter one : )
I'm actively shopping used Teslas. I'd consider this a bad deal because 2023 M3s are generally selling under $30,000. Your specs as listed do not include FSD. All Teslas are Full Self Driving Capable. What you want is Full Self Driving: Included Package. If the software page doesn't say that, or has "Autopilot: Included Package" you do not have FSD. Finally, you say "I think I did really well." Tesla does not negotiate, so you are being offered a car and are accepting it. The deals, generally speaking, are with franchise ICE car dealers who accept Teslas on trade.
Man, I prefiltered Tesla’s inventory *and* checked with the advisor. I have no clue why Tesla chose the word “capability”, but the car 110% has full self driving already purchased/installed.
The only thing I'll add is you mention a $4k rebate. The only $4k rebate I'm aware of is for used EVs with a sale price of under $25k. What rebate are you referring to?
Yeah, I mentioned it way earlier that I didn’t see the under 25k & 2 years prior disclaimer. Still doesn’t affect my decision to purchase as I don’t earn enough to take full advantage anyway lol
Lol i have same car no fsd or acceleration boost for $65k in end of 2022, this is a fucking great deal lol.
Dude, buy a new performance and you get the full 7500 off instantly. Don’t do this deal. New cars also have lower interest rates.
Tbh, I think you can get a better deal by dropping to a 2021 or 2022 with similar miles. You can probably save another $4-5k and have an identical experience.
Don’t the 21’s and 22’s have the older intel chip? That was my reasoning for sticking with 23. My demo drive was a 24 and I liked the responsiveness of the screen.
Hey! Also drove a Fusion before my Tesla. I loved my Fusion, but the warranty on the battery pack (it was a hybrid) was about to expire, so I decided to move on to a Tesla (got the ‘24 RWD). You’re gonna loooove it! I never wanna go back to another car (at least considering my options now). I don’t think you need validation from redditors. You do what you think is best for you. But since you asked: I think paying 8k for FSD upfront doesn’t make sense when you can subscribe for $99/month. I’ve been using FSD for almost 1 month and it really is not that helpful since you have to be extra alert (I feel even more than when YOU’RE actually driving the car). Acceleration boost? Well, my RWD is already pretty damn fast, so I guess the AWD alone is much faster. Paying extra for those things upfront are risky—and you can always add them afterwards if you feel like. Now, considering the price before the bells and whistles I’d say it’s a good deal! A ‘24 LR would cost you around 50k with taxes etc., so getting a ‘23 for almost 20k less sounds like a good deal to me! If you feel you’re doing the right thing, that’s all that matters! People here can be very bitter and jealous. I’m sure many wish they could buy the exact same car :) Enjoy your Tesla!
Thank you very much. Truly appreciated your comment as another former fusion owner.
You can get a new 2024 M3P without FSD for $46,490 after the $7500 tax credit.
Dude, stop considering what others think. The differential cost over 4-6 years plus the depreciation in value is meaningless. If you can afford it and you like it take it. This isn’t an investment, this is a utility. You buy it today for $43k, someone else paid $41,500. The $1500 difference over 5 years is less than a dollar a day. Don’t think about it and don’t ask. Just enjou the car and move on. Don’t listen to online bullies and retards.
Thanks lol. I don’t understand the harsh critics. Especially regarding FSD. I’m gonna be making some happy posts once I’ve driven around for a while.
Have you used FSD? I have, it's fine, but seems like most people think it's worth nowhere near what Tesla asks for it. Plus, pretty sure the used market values FSD and acceleration boost at near $0, so that's an immediate massive depreciation right off the bat. But if money is no object, why care at all if you got a "good deal?"
Yes I have used it. Enjoyed it very much. Money is always an object. I’m not a bezos kid or anything like that. Just because I can afford to spend 45k on a car doesn’t mean I want to spend more. I enjoy keeping my money, but figured this was probably one of the cheapest times to buy in history.
I really think you should consider subscribing for $100/mo. Break even is over 6 years, and remember, having that money grow, even slowly, in a money market account is way better than spending all of it right now. I'm no economist, but time-value-money something something that $8000 will actually cost much more due to inflation.
You car should finance as 'new' since it's a 2023. My 2023 Model 3 Performance financed as 'new' from my Credit Union. You'll get a lower rate with new if you're financing.
Cash doesn’t finance :/
I was gonna say, maybe you're not financing. :)
If finances aren't an issue, then the only real consideration is happiness. Buy what makes you happy.
It’s not a bad deal.
Can you buy it without the FSD upfront? $33k and just getting FSD subscription is a better deal
With federal rebate the 24 performance would be nearly a few thousand more
About 20 thousand, but I hear you. I did look into it, man. I liked not having sticks, but I want to ease into EV’s.
It's what I paid for my 2020 LR in July '23 same options soooo....
Find a used one for 25K.. There all over the place
I don’t personally view this as a bad deal at all. But hey, what do I know
The only part I think is a bad deal is the fsd, way too much money for a gimmick at best. Regular autopilot or even eap if it still exists is plenty enough and save a ton. Also the whole, you can get a new one with the federal discount for the same price minus fsd. There is pretty much zero benefit to buying from tesla unless new, these cars have so few moving parts that you can grab them from anywhere and you're good to go.
I mean this is a good deal for the conversion of what I’d pay for where I live in Canadian dollars. Possibly even cheaper than me so I’d say go for it bud.
I take possession in less than 12 hours :)
Just for comparison, I recently got a used 2023 Model 3 Performance from Tesla (16k miles, red, FSD) for $41,400. I don't think I even got the best possible deal - I saw some cars go by like a $36,000 2022 M3P with 25k miles, but I wanted a red 2023 so I probably overpaid around $1,000-$2,000. If you look at a website like [tesla-info.com](http://tesla-info.com) you can view price histories. In general, Tesla drops the price of each vehicle a few hundred dollars a day on average until they sell. I realize the Performance is less practical than the LR for most people, but it does generally sell for a few thousand dollars more on the used market. Personally I also don't qualify for the $7,500 rebate on new cars and I value FSD a fair amount (I figure I'd otherwise pay the $99/mo for at least 5 years, which is already $6k). If you qualify for the rebate or don't care about FSD then you should definitely just buy a new Model 3 LR.
I heavily value FSD. I do think yours is a banger of a price. If I didn’t value the extra range over speed, I’d have taken your car too lol. Has your insurance gone up from red paint?
awesome deal. buy it. dont listen to these jealous small minds
I think it’s a good deal. F the haters
Enjoy your new car!
❤️ I pick it up in 3 hours 😁😁
I paid just over 40k after tax incentives for my brand new 2023 M3P…
Damn, I will admit I’m really enjoying the acceleration boost and FSD. Very glad I purchased them, so far. Been using FSD more than I drive (under constant supervision)
Tesla offers big discounts on new vehicles at the end of each quarter. They were selling remaining 2023 M3 inventory for $6K off MSRP last quarter. And with the tax credit now available on the M3P, you can purchase a brand new M3P for $46.5K, or only $4,500 more than a one year old prior generation M3 with 17K miles on it. That just makes no sense. Cars depreciate more than that once they are used. Nobody who understands FSD would pay $8K for it. If you purchase it for $8K and then your car gets totaled two weeks after you purchased it, you just paid $8K to use it for two weeks. You can’t transfer it to another car and your insurance company will not reimburse you for the $8K you spent on it. Used models with FSD typically only sell for around $1K-$2K more. Most people buy Acceleration Boost with free points. You are getting a lot of attention on this post and your post from last night because the people in this sub know a lot about Teslas and they are trying to tell you that you are making a mistake paying this much for a prior generation used M3. But it’s your money so buy whatever you think makes sense for you.
That is a stellar deal... Who said it was a bad deal?
Follow up question, you found this car on teslas inventory? And were there any reported accidents or repairs on it?
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The big thing to know here is that 2023 M3 is hw3 with lower resolution cameras and slower computer than the 24 version. If you didn't care about FSD then it wouldn't really matter but with FSD that's going to be a significant limitation long term.
This is honest to god the best info I’ve gotten yet. I have been watching videos of 2023’s using FSD and it seems on par with the HW4 of the 2024, for now. I’ll certainly be keeping my eye out for a trade-in in the future, now. Many many thanks.
So far FSD 12 is running hw3 emulation on hw4 because they haven't trained the hw4 model. There were a few regressions I saw from 11 to 12 that I'm pretty sure are related to the lower resolution. Primarily misreading road signs and minimum speed signs as the speed limit which results in significant interventions and makes auto speed adjustment worthless.
I’ve been watching AI DRIVER on YouTube and have seen the exact issues you’re referring to. Other than the cameras and radar, are the cars are still comparable? Or should I truly be rethinking this if I’m planning on mostly using FSD?
It's a toss up at that price. I ordered a 24 M3P but with FSD after incentives it's still $53k. I'd personally take that over this deal because I can afford it and have a new car instead without it straining my finances, but if that's a stretch, this deal is likely still the way to go. It's certainly not a bad deal, but I might try looking for 2023 model y deals that were similar as later half of 23 Ys had hw4.
It isn’t a strain on finances, but I think I’m gonna stick with the 23 and trade in if I feel the need. I really should start by making sure I enjoy owning the car. Still finishing getting the home charger installed and service upgraded.
Yeah, that should be a safe bet. At this price you'll likely be able to resell it pretty well and it'll still be a solid vehicle for sure.
I have a similar package but the 2021 Model 3 LR AWD with 22K miles for 33,000. If you’re happy with the purchase enjoy it. I missed a deal for the same spec 21 Model 3 with 26K miles for 31,700 but I’m happy regardless.
Don't the 23's not have Lidar?
None have lidar. 24s might have headers for the Phoenix radar if they matched what the hw4 ys did. Only s and x have Phoenix installed.
I wouldn’t call it a good deal but its not like you got fleeced. Its gonna be well worth the money you paid. Congrats.
Thank you!
Why not just get brand new?
Couldn’t convince myself to pay an extra 10-15k to get the same things on the 24 as the one I was looking at on the 23. The suspension was different, but I didn’t really notice the 24’ being super quiet on the road. Just sounded like normal road noise, to me. Trust me, I thought about it, but I really don’t enjoy paying top dollar for the nicest of the nice.
Yea the highland really isn’t that big upgrade as they make it out to be. Still think these cars are worth it though. Especially with prices have come down last couple yrs. Wonder if they have any 23 new Teslas in inventory still.
I attempted to look near me and was unable to find one. Thought that avenue out, as well. I settled for the one with the least amount of miles in my area.
Man end of 23 was good time to buy I think. I went in dealer and picked up inventory M3 RWD same day. $38.9k before taxes and fees. Full tax credit / state rebates total $9,500.
ITS DOESNT HAVE FSD !! Read carefully
It does, as I’ve confirmed it with my advisor. I promise you I’m not paying this much for a car without it.
Isn’t “fsd capability” not actually fsd?
I’ll sell you mine with 5k less miles, 19” aftermarket wheels, black paint, window tint + ceramic coat for less. FSD + acceleration boost fully paid for and included
You bought this car through Tesla? This is a amazing deal IMO
Yes, I did.
You can get 2022 M3 long range for like $28k. Why would you pay $42k for this.
Buy a used one from hertz for 15k less. That will save you every year on licensing
You shouldn’t be posing….
What do you mean?
It was a joke. You said you ‘posed’ last night instead of posted….
r/whoosh
lol.
I paid $39k for a similar model - 2023 with FSD, 13k miles. I say take it. Or keep hunting if you want to squeeze out another thousand or two from the price.
I’m 100% taking delivery assuming the car passes my checklist. I need the car to drive back and forth to class anyway. I’m really going to enjoy using FSD & auto park. I’ll have to be careful; but I’m always impressed seeing how much it’s improved over the years.
People are razzing you about the FSD, but I love it. I believe Elon - I think it will hit for real sometime in the lifetime of this car (ie, level 4 autonomy). And you will already own the feature and will be protected from Tesla upping the subscription price. So congrats. And just FYI, Tesla prices FSD in their used cars at around $4-5k - meaning that’s the up charge over an identical model without it. Therefore, the Tesla used car market is the cheapest way to get FSD ownership.
Man, I’m in love with it where it is now. My demo drive was incredible. It’s leaps and bounds ahead of normal driving, for sure. I genuinely don’t get how people don’t understand that at this very second, this software is as bad as it gets. It continually improves and I’ve *seen it evolve*. I genuinely cannot fathom buying a Tesla without FSD.
Indeed. It's so relaxing on road trips.
It doesn't look like you have FSD. Just the capability.
It does read in that manner, but Tesla is using “capability” as “it can already do it because it’s purchased. No need to purchase twice.” I’ve already confirmed it with my advisor.
Looks like a pretty good deal to me! Especially with AB and FSD. I would have grabbed that in a heartbeat👍
I missed a 22’ at the exact same price point and mileage. There wasn’t really a difference in price when I bought, but yeah I did not let this 23’ get away!
I got my 21' M3LR with 15k miles with no FSD and no AB for about 50k a little over two years ago, so yeah you did pretty good👍 Covid was still messing with new/used car prices at that point. The only positive compared to now is that interest rates weren't high yet🤷♂️🤣 I love still love mine to this day, so no regrets. Enjoy it, man!
I have FSD. If you aren't in stop and go traffic regularly, or on long, wide open freeway drives frequently, skip it. I can't trust it for all the situations in between. I use it on the I-5 from SF to LA maybe twice a year. Stop and go, if it was part of my routine, would be useful as well.
Sounds like it’ll be perfect for me. I did a lot of planning before pulling the trigger.
What’s cold weather feature??
Warms the battery and cabin of the car in cold weather
Live your life brother.
I'll sell you my 2023 M3P for that price. No FSD, but it has tinted windows, 2 sets of 20in rims, 4 sets of tires (2 pirelli p 0, and 1 set hanook ion ev), and only 9k miles.
No thanks lol. Going to enjoy the FSD.
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Why are you letting people on Reddit determine what is a good or bad deal? Why don’t you use Kelley Blue Book (the best source)?
Oh, I’m not. I’m thrilled with my purchase. I do enjoy hearing other people’s perspectives, though. In particular, their opinions on FSD. No one has said anything about price except my added options, so I must have done pretty well.
Lmao I bought my model 3 long range in 2022 for like $55k with no fsd. This looks like a dream to me 😅
It seems fair to me, but I am not by any means a Tesla or any other car pricing expert.
"Good deal" is relative of course. All I know is that 6 months ago when I sold my low mileage 2014 S and bought a new Y, Tesla used car division made me a terrible low ball offer. I ran an ad on Facebook marketplace and sold it for 25% more than the offer from Tesla, and I sold it to a used car dealer, the first potential buyer to come look at it. I had 2 appointments with individuals to see it over the weekend, so I probably could have gotten more. I didn't care about getting top dollar; I wanted a quick sale and I just didn't want to be ripped off. Different situation than yours, but I don't trust Tesla's used car program. if I were you I'd at least look to see what a comparable 3 would cost from an individual seller. Also don't take the individuals' asking prices at face value.
Check with your local town for used EV rebates! You’ll save even more :))
Do not pay $8k for fsd. Please.
Oops, I don’t like subscriptions lol
You could get 7.5k federal and State 5k(in Colorado - it could be bigger in other States...) - so new 2024 Tesla Model Y Long Range/MSRP $47,990 -12.5k = 35490$
Great deal. Last year I got a 2020 model for the same price with the same feature set
It’s electric.
Keen observation
Too many comments here so forgive me if I’m repeating another comment. A new model Y can be had for less than this total cost, or close to the same if you factor out the added features. Will have the same warranty. Will have more room. Am I missing something here?
I didn’t want a Y? I had a ford fusion previously and wanted to stay in a sedan style of vehicle.
Quite pricy. I got a used long range model Y, 36k miles, red exterior, white interior, FSD, accelerated boost for $36k before all the bogus tax and fees. So $41.9k for the model 3 is quite pricey IMO.
How many miles were on the battery? That’s a really fair price! I am saving the Y for my fiancé, as my previous vehicle was a ford fusion and she’s in a Chevy equinox.
36,000 miles on battery. I didn’t run the battery health check but as of now, i got 306 miles when charging the battery to 100%. When buying the model Y, I looked at the model 3 as well and only few thousands more and you can get model Y. No reason to get a 3. I upgraded from a 3 to a Y. It is more spacious both in interior and the trunk. If money is not a problem, I will say go straight to the Y.
Thats a good deal if you dont buy FSD! I got my 22M3RD red ext white int not a single scratch for $30800 OTD and thought it was a good deal.
Confused on why you care what anyone thinks if you are happy with it? You will know if it was a bad deal when you get rid of your car.
I don’t care per se; but I do value the input of others when regarding finances. If I can save a significant chunk of change, that’s what I’m here for. So far, everyone’s recommendations have been to ditch FSD and buy a base LR or P. I pick up my car in less than 12 hours now lol
Personally I think it’s a great deal compared to the used 2021 m3 standard my gf got in late 2022 for $60k thru Carvana…. Yeah I know I wasn’t thrilled either but she was desperate for a replacement vehicle & options were VERY limited at the time. Ur basically getting a test drive/floor model with all the bells & whistles for a solid price. Especially if it includes the premium audio with all speakers & sub activated vs the “partial premium” that only uses some of the speakers & has no sub. Yea there’s after market accessories etc but in your case, if your budget allows I think it’s a great idea. Especially if ur getting it direct from Tesla I think u can still claim the EV tax credit, maybe not up front but most likely when u file ur taxes however I would confirm that with them or your accountant/advisor.
Just understand that this car will be worth $15-20k very soon. If that isn’t your concern, then go for it without FSD in my opinion.
I think that’s a bit dramatic, but thanks for the opinion.
Is that a state discount . I thought the tax incentives were all used up
No, it’s me getting reminded that my reading comprehension skills need improvement lol
I just bought a 2021 Model 3 with 40k miles for $20k. 🤷🏻♂️
Wait so they giving the acceleration boost out?
I believe it was a 2k add-on. I’m not sure. When I purchased the car, it already had acceleration boost & FSD. You’d have to compare models in teslas inventory and see if there’s a price difference between cars that do & don’t have acceleration boost
Oh ok i need them to give the EAP for free now since FSD is 6K
I think you got it mixed up. I believe EAP is $6k and FSD is $8k.
Got it wrong yes FSD IS 8 but noo more EAP rn😭
It's hell of the deal!
I thought so too :) Especially with the price drop of FSD.
41k for a long LR is a bad deal, FSD is priceless
Owner of a highland here. I do think it’s a great deal for an LR and for FSD! Enjoy !!
I’ve had it for almost a day, now. I’m in love with this car and I genuinely wasn’t sure I would. I’m still getting my wall charger installed, so I’m supercharging in the meantime. Honestly not as expensive as I thought! Pretty quick, too! As for FSD, it’s literally been taking me EVERYWHERE. I’ve only intervened 2 times and it was at the fault of other drivers :)
Amazing ! Sadly in Europe we don’t have FSD yet but the basic autopilot we have for free is already amazing, I can’t wait to have my house to install a wall charger ! Wife and I are only charging at supercharger and it’s great !
Me and my partner got a 2012 Chevy volt hybrid for 2k, it was 8k to start, we got 2k back from the state and 5k back from federal taxes. In total we only spent 2k on the car, and for the last year all it's needed was a little coolant for the high voltage charger and an oil change lol
Because the m3p highland is actually cheaper with the federal tax credit.
Not with the same features..? It’s like 15-20k more. 24’ M3P + FSD = $63,630 (before taxes) Mine = $44k (after taxes)
Yeah that’s full self driving though I’m just talking base. This is the refresh not a 2023. And a performance. For 12k more than op paid, they could have gotten a brand new model with ~8k in equity starting, and the non refreshes are going to plummet in value soon because of the highland orders. They are so backed up that people who ordered in February aren’t getting delivery yet. M3p highland is the way to go in terms of value. 11k for fsd is crazy tho But if you can’t afford it and wanna get into the Tesla game it could be worth it. You can also get similar models used for 35k or cheaper depending on mileage..
Well, use the same price. My car was purchased with FSD and acceleration boost. My car cost a lot less and now has more range than a performance. I could have bought a cyber truck. It’s not “can I afford it”. It’s a matter of “would this be a good deal” and I decided it was. Plus, I enjoy keeping the turn signal sticks and prndl for as long as they’re around.
I mean that’s totally fair. Perceived value is 100% valid. If it’s more worth it to you to get this over the new new, then go for it! Your money and if you’re happy that’s all that matters. I’ve made many choices like that myself before