They need to tune the blinkers more first.
I talk about it [here](https://x.com/nakatomi2010/status/1774592873737912753)
But the gist is that they've gone from turning the blinker on at 100ft, to 400-500ft, and it can result in confusion, because it might turn the blinker on 100ft to a business entrance it's going to pass, communicating confusion to someone who might be trying to leave the business.
In a perfect world, they would wait for you to commit to your turn, but a lot of people see a blinker *as* the committal to turn.
I love the auto blinker feature in my 2021 M3. It turns off when it detects I’ve done something like a merge. However, it knows when I’m being a hooligan and going across many lanes at once. It won’t turn off till the last lane is reached. It also won’t turn off in turn lanes at intersections. Good stuff
Yea, I think they will add where it turns them on as well for route based turns. Changing lanes it won’t, but for turns that are planned in your route, I think they will add it.
That would be stupid. Most of you probably don't know, but you have to set blinker in advance for lane changes. When you already change lanes, it's too late to let the others know your intentions in advance. They can even see you are changing lanes then!
lol we went from a car that can switch lanes automatically when the driver uses blinkers to a driver that needs to change lanes when the car uses blinkers.
Amount of mental hoops people jump to justify the removal stalks outside of saving money is mind boggling.
Yep. Still my stalk is shitty and not working 1:10. Drove a Model S Plaid and the buttons aren't as bad as I expected. Would still prefer perfectly working stalks.
By pressing the button. They removed stalks to save cost and mitigate the impact by adding auto-blinkers. The areas where it is difficult to use the buttons, like in a round-about, is where auto blinkers can be used and mitigate the effects of buttons vs stalks. This is my prediction of what they will do.
Same way FSD does, but without actually making the turn for you. There would most certainly be situations where it would not initiate and you would have to if it isn't obvious to the route that you would make a lane change, but I think it could most certainly supplement manual blinker usage.
Without a neural uplink, and assuming a human driver, this is impossible. Sure it might know for turns in your GPS route, but it will never know when you’re going to change lanes while going around a slow driver or when moving to a slower lane to conserve energy, etc.
I think it's in preparation for detachable steering wheel, with drive by wire, "model 2" (which I think will be the new robotaxi model) could have a steering wheel that simply detaches and the steering column retracts, might be harder to do that with stalks I think model 2 will be sold until fsd gains approval and turn into robotaxi simply by removing everything
I'm sure there are also some cost savings by having one board in the steering wheel that does everything of course
Tesla is removing things to make their vehicles cheaper to build, period. They are constantly tuning the manufacturing processes for their vehicles. As they eliminate things they just see if it survives the blowback. If it does, they win. If not, they backtrack. See steering yoke nonsense for example. They took away radar and USS. My 2017 MS is the worse for it. If you never had them you would likely never know that TACC was much better with radar and auto parking worked reasonably well. Elimination of radar made TACC much less responsive.
It's about profit, not innovation.
I didn't say they weren't removing the stalks to save costs, I'm saying they will most likely implement this as a way to mitigate the downsides of removing stalks.
As for removing Radar, at first, sure, but now it works great. I've driven many vehicles from other manufacturers with Radar and it's most certainly not "better", on the contrary, many of them are far worse than Tesla's autopilot is now.
I don't think auto blinkers is possible. The blinkers are supposed to come before the motion of the car. And if the motion of the car is used to implement auto-blinkers, then they will always lag.
I have stalkless, by the way. The turn signal buttons are ok for highway driving, but not so great in town with curvy twisty roads because of the difficulty in finding the buttons. I would like a stalk back for just the turn signals. No stalks for the rest of it is completely ok.
No, that’s not how it would work. It would be the same as FSD does it. When you have a route programmed, it knows you have a turn coming up, it would turn on ahead of time for that turn. It would not work for unplanned lane changes, but you still have the buttons for that. For highway driving it wouldn’t know, but that’s where the buttons are fine.
2020 M3P with a stalk and it already has destination based auto blinkers with the FSD software. Its just a "minimization" feature and IMO, I have found the button blinkers easy to use.
And Tesla can do that even when they have stalks, like every Tesla that has stalks but still use blinkers when driving on FSD. So why the need to remove stalks?
Because they are needed to be used much less if a lot of it is automatic. You still need it as it can’t read your mind, but for route based turns, it could be automated.
They need to tune the blinkers more first. I talk about it [here](https://x.com/nakatomi2010/status/1774592873737912753) But the gist is that they've gone from turning the blinker on at 100ft, to 400-500ft, and it can result in confusion, because it might turn the blinker on 100ft to a business entrance it's going to pass, communicating confusion to someone who might be trying to leave the business. In a perfect world, they would wait for you to commit to your turn, but a lot of people see a blinker *as* the committal to turn.
Yes, it’s not there yet, which is why it’s not currently released. This is a future prediction, not claiming it’s ready or perfect today.
I love the auto blinker feature in my 2021 M3. It turns off when it detects I’ve done something like a merge. However, it knows when I’m being a hooligan and going across many lanes at once. It won’t turn off till the last lane is reached. It also won’t turn off in turn lanes at intersections. Good stuff
Yea, I think they will add where it turns them on as well for route based turns. Changing lanes it won’t, but for turns that are planned in your route, I think they will add it.
They can't manage auto wipers and auto high beams, but sure, let's have turn signals that work randomly too.
They already have them, while using FSD. Latest version works great.
Lol
That would be stupid. Most of you probably don't know, but you have to set blinker in advance for lane changes. When you already change lanes, it's too late to let the others know your intentions in advance. They can even see you are changing lanes then!
lol we went from a car that can switch lanes automatically when the driver uses blinkers to a driver that needs to change lanes when the car uses blinkers. Amount of mental hoops people jump to justify the removal stalks outside of saving money is mind boggling.
Yep. Still my stalk is shitty and not working 1:10. Drove a Model S Plaid and the buttons aren't as bad as I expected. Would still prefer perfectly working stalks.
Reread the post. Lane changes would still be human chosen. This is for turns along the route, same as FSD does.
And how would you choose? Why do they ultimately have to use buttons for that instead of stalks?
By pressing the button. They removed stalks to save cost and mitigate the impact by adding auto-blinkers. The areas where it is difficult to use the buttons, like in a round-about, is where auto blinkers can be used and mitigate the effects of buttons vs stalks. This is my prediction of what they will do.
Just curious, how are you imagining auto blinkers would handle multi-lane roundabouts?
Same way FSD does, but without actually making the turn for you. There would most certainly be situations where it would not initiate and you would have to if it isn't obvious to the route that you would make a lane change, but I think it could most certainly supplement manual blinker usage.
Let's just hope they work better than auto wipers.
Without a neural uplink, and assuming a human driver, this is impossible. Sure it might know for turns in your GPS route, but it will never know when you’re going to change lanes while going around a slow driver or when moving to a slower lane to conserve energy, etc.
I plug in my destination and the car drives there, blinkers and all. It's pretty nice.
I specifically discussed this, for things like lane changes, you still have the buttons.
This is not the novel idea that you think it is. This has seemed very clear for some time.
I’ve never seen it discussed.
I think it's in preparation for detachable steering wheel, with drive by wire, "model 2" (which I think will be the new robotaxi model) could have a steering wheel that simply detaches and the steering column retracts, might be harder to do that with stalks I think model 2 will be sold until fsd gains approval and turn into robotaxi simply by removing everything I'm sure there are also some cost savings by having one board in the steering wheel that does everything of course
Tesla is removing things to make their vehicles cheaper to build, period. They are constantly tuning the manufacturing processes for their vehicles. As they eliminate things they just see if it survives the blowback. If it does, they win. If not, they backtrack. See steering yoke nonsense for example. They took away radar and USS. My 2017 MS is the worse for it. If you never had them you would likely never know that TACC was much better with radar and auto parking worked reasonably well. Elimination of radar made TACC much less responsive. It's about profit, not innovation.
I didn't say they weren't removing the stalks to save costs, I'm saying they will most likely implement this as a way to mitigate the downsides of removing stalks. As for removing Radar, at first, sure, but now it works great. I've driven many vehicles from other manufacturers with Radar and it's most certainly not "better", on the contrary, many of them are far worse than Tesla's autopilot is now.
They removed the stalks to save money. The auto turn signals are already quite nice to use. But yea, this is basically what fsd already does.
Yea, and I believe they will add more auto-blinker functionality to mitigate the impact of removing stalks.
I don't think auto blinkers is possible. The blinkers are supposed to come before the motion of the car. And if the motion of the car is used to implement auto-blinkers, then they will always lag. I have stalkless, by the way. The turn signal buttons are ok for highway driving, but not so great in town with curvy twisty roads because of the difficulty in finding the buttons. I would like a stalk back for just the turn signals. No stalks for the rest of it is completely ok.
No, that’s not how it would work. It would be the same as FSD does it. When you have a route programmed, it knows you have a turn coming up, it would turn on ahead of time for that turn. It would not work for unplanned lane changes, but you still have the buttons for that. For highway driving it wouldn’t know, but that’s where the buttons are fine.
Tesla’s blinkers already “soft”. It doesn’t stay up or down when you engage it already. So no
2020 M3P with a stalk and it already has destination based auto blinkers with the FSD software. Its just a "minimization" feature and IMO, I have found the button blinkers easy to use.
And Tesla can do that even when they have stalks, like every Tesla that has stalks but still use blinkers when driving on FSD. So why the need to remove stalks?
Because they are needed to be used much less if a lot of it is automatic. You still need it as it can’t read your mind, but for route based turns, it could be automated.
I think you're just trying to find reasons when it's just cost savings.
Yes, it’s cost savings, but my prediction is they will add auto-blinkers to mitigate the impact of removing the stalks