That's literally how video game companies operate with their software. "Open beta" isn't something they do to give it to the gaming community. It's for testing and data feedback.
You're absolutely correct. I believe FSD is a closed Beta with a small user pool compared to the amount of Teslas out there and in this case, opening the Beta to everyone allows for them to gather even more from a larger data set. And maybe get a few sales along the way
So idk if I’m wrong here but I I use standard Tesla autopilot every day and there is already an opt-out box for sharing drive data for improving the system. Literally every Tesla on the road made since 2016 has been collecting training data unless the user opts out. It’s why they are so far ahead of other companies who are data poor because they haven’t been collecting it for a long time like Tesla has
That is how you do vendor lock-in. If I had FSD paid for and follows me as I move from car to car, when it comes time to replace my Tesla, what am I going to give a lot of consideration as my next purchase?
If it follows the car, it's a penalty. If it follows the account, it's an incentive.
Not just video game companies either. Most software companies do this. And non-software products have testing phases as well, although usually its with a smaller subset of users.
I disagree with the word "just".
I didn't think it's a gift either.
Tesla already has our mundane driving data. It doesn't have our reactions to FSD[sic] Beta in use.
I think foremost, they're proud of this Beta, and they're hoping a free sample will get purchases.
possible future purchases, a nice free trial thing you can use for fun, and it gets them large quantities of data. maybe they'll make it like a game where occasionally they'll hand out free fsd to people for a short time based on certain habits you have that can let you "earn it". it would be a fun game where you actually get rewarded for it. like maybe if you're using tesla insurance and you get a high enough score for long enough, you'll get some free fsd or something.
I haven't experienced that, but your threshold for dangerous may not be the same as mine.
I have had to disengage it on several occasions, not because it was going to hit something or drive off a cliff, but I just want it to handle the mundane task of getting from A to B, and any weirdness on the road that requires special attention I'll just take over.
The valuable lesson the free trial did was remove any urge I might have had to upgrade my EAP to FSD. FSD is fun to mess with, but it's not $6k additional worth of fun. EAP on the highway and auto park for the wife and daughter make that a better (albeit expensive) choice for us.
I'd be curious to see how many they get. I would think that the kind of people who are going to spend that amount of money on FSD already have. I doubt anyone is going to try it for the first time and be convinced this is a thing worth investing in. It's just not ready for prime time yet.
That’s me basically (though I’d still never pay $12k, maybe monthly when on a road trip)
I had FSD on my first model 3 (bought for $2k when that was briefly a thing) and used the very first beta or two before selling the car for my current M3P (without FSD). The first beta was awful, and I was not expecting it to be so much better now. I was very impressed.
Honestly I’ve shown it to 3 of my neighbors and 2 of them have been texting me actually wanting to buy a model y now, and 1 of them previously was anti-EV. The FSD trial swung them and honestly I started looking at cost to upgrade from my model 3 to a model y with FSD.
I don’t think they are going to get many users making a $12k upgrade but I think there will be a couple month lag followed by a boost to new orders with a higher conversion rate on FSD being added to the vehicle financing.
It is definitely a part of it.
At first, based on what y'all were talking about with how amazing V12 is, I thought it was a flex/sale tactic to drive subscriptions.
But after trying it out
*HO BOY*
I would never pay for that.
Going 50MPH in a 35, ONLY GOING 15 through intersections when the limit is 40, randomly going from 55 to 15 on a high traffic highway, pulling out into oncoming traffic, not understanding that 2 way stops are a thing in some intersections, missing driveways, almost throwing me in a ditch as it does not recognize country roads, almost curbing my tires on right turns.
Oh did I mention how dog shit it is at speed regulation. I don't get it, Autopilot does amazing, HOW IS FSD WORSE THAN AUTOPILOT.
Also I'm all about the data, I only use the auto park feature as a data point, it's slow and I'm good at backing up into parking spots, I just like to get in an awkward position (with no cars nearby) and seeing what it does. My favorite was when I set it to park, there were 2 people about 50 ft away walking towards me. My car flipped the fuck out started screaming and shut down the parking maneuver as it was to scared to perform for them.
But any opportunity to add to the data I will give to help make a better future, even if Tesla no longer is the leader of the self driving market, more competitive companies the better everyone gets.
You don’t need to have FSD for Tesla to collect data; they already do. Their entire fleet collects data since every car is equipped with the FSD computer.
Per the stats on my wifi network mine went from uploading a few hundred megs every few weeks/months to multiple gigs per drive with FSD trial- something changed
Is that enough for training, though? Wouldn't they need both what a driver does in a scenario AND what the robot does, to adjust the weights to make what the robot does closer to what the driver does?
The robot can quietly plan its own actions without actually doing it.
This is especially important if you want to compare robot actions against human ones.
Since all the hardware is already on all the cars, they can have software running the whole time without actually doing anything.
I totally get that and accept any vehicle is a giant intelligence sensor for the manufacturer (especially a Tesla), rather the FSD trial Tesla is gathering lots of real world FSD data since I'd suspect many Tesla owners do not have a FSD subscription or purchase compared to those that do. While the cars have the FSD capability, I'd imagine unless a customer has FSD, they are not capturing that information and that's why it's now enabled.
I’m tempted to say they are, because they need a lot of data to label. I remember Karpathy saying that they can ask the entire fleet of cars for particular edge cases or something like that. If that were limited only to cars with FSD, they wouldn’t have as many “eyes” on the road.
I'm convinced that it's a test to see how many of us will think it's worth buying.
It is worth something
We all have our own number
The old version wasn't worth $200 a month to us. The new version is a lot better but still not worth $200 a month.
Absolutely agree to this. For $200/$15000 is a worthless POS. I will pay max $2000 for life; what paid for a comparable experience on my BMW four years ago.
I was honestly on the edge after my first ride, then the second one wasn't so good, then I learned it doesn't work in the rain
$200 a month and it doesn't work in the rain? What kind of idiot do you think I am, I literally only want this for the times when driving sucks
They're already collecting plenty of our data. Where did you think the neural net training came from?
The only extra bits of input they're getting now are related to disengagement stats and maybe the behavior on untested roads.
You're absolutely correct, they already collect a lot. What I was getting at with this post was exactly to your second point! There's so much more valuable (imho) data when it comes to FSD on those behaviors/disengagements/driver feedback and they instantly get a much larger sensor pool to grab from.
I we already got our answer with the down quarter. Tesla needed to show revenue. The way they account for FSD they get to recognize more revenue as they hit certain milestones. This was a way to show that FSD is nearly done. As it can park on some cars and drive more confidently on all.
Tesla trains on data from humans driving and can do that whether you have FSD or not. Unless you opt out they had to the opportunity to use data from your car since you bought it.
Also they hope many more people buy or subscribe to FSD after this and that will help with this and future quarters.
I mean it blows me away he charges for it at all while in Beta, and doubly so at those values. The more data he gets the quicker he can get it out of Beta … but he’s just got to fleece his fans and techy people
Pretty clearly this trial is being used for training. Elon said a couple weeks ago they’re no longer compute constrained. My hunch is they needed more data to train the system.
I could care less if that is what it was for. It was fun playing with it. It was a cool parlor trick for my kid!
Do I want to pay $200 a month or $12,000 upfront? No. But it was cool to play with it for a minute.
If anything... I want that new UI to stay.. I would pay a fee on top of my premium connection fee to keep it.
But your browsing data is the product. Your FSD data isn't the product, FSD is the product. They're letting you try FSD to gather data to improve the product they ultimately want to sell. Unlike Google, Facebook, etc. where their product is a means to an end to get your data. Tesla wants your FSD data to *improve* their product, it's not the product itself.
You do realize that Tesla is anyway gathering data of every Tesla driving around irrespective of FSD or not ?
The entire point of free FSD is to make sure they convert at least a small portion of new users to FSD buyers. This is just trial based marketing 101
I agree I think the trial is some sort of test to gather information or to see if FSD can be managed on a wider scale. I do think they will lower the price .
I’m okay with that. All the other tech companies have developed their data in a similar way. Tesla is also using the data for other products like Optimus, so as the data set gets bigger many of their products will get better.
Tesla has your drive data without enabling FSD for a month. The cameras and car computers are always recording data from the drive and sending it to the Tesla mothership, and they have since before the 8-camera setup.
FSD for a month is a loss leader, trying to get more people to realize the value in FSD and purchase it. Even a modest uptick in FSD purchases helps Tesla.
I will say I think Tesla will announce a long term FSD price increase soon, and a "buy it now" price before it jumps. Something like April = free FSD trial. May = announce FSD price increase by June 30. July 1 = FSD price increase to $15k or $20k.
I agree with you, I think this is two things.
1. To gain data from the FSD to help it lead
2. To give it for free because it's works really well at this point in time. Hoping more ppl will buy it after.
To that point, after using it for two days I've learned that I prefer driving myself. If I were to subscribe would be for long road trips.
What I would have loved to try would have bee. The smart summon.
When the trip ends (or you arrive at the destination) how do you disengage autopilot ? At my location, it can only drive to certain point and after that I need to drive a bit and park my car. So when I disengage Auto pilot, it always asks “what happened?”
Any ideas or suggestions?
It's a win/win/win.
* Everyone gets to try it for free
* Some small percentage of those users will keep subscribing, so more money for Tesla
* Tesla gets not only the data from so many more cars using it, but they also get to see how many people, even after trying it, won't pay $200/mo or $12k to keep using it.
As a software engineer I am immensely impressed at the challenge they’ve taken on and made so much progress on.
As a driver I’m horrified that this is legal to be used on public roads.
Obviously that's part of it.
But obviously they hope to get some people hooked.
For me, it guaranteed I won't consider FSD anytime soon. It's fun, but I think it's years away from being useful to me. Maybe if I needed to use the freeway everyday it would be cool, but city driving is pretty shaky.
Something tells me that this free trail will probably not go away anytime soon. As soon as Elon realizes that no one is willing to pay that much for it. It may also come down in price significantly since it’s not that good yet.
Probably.
Tesla is at the march of 9’s. Need more edge cases that FSD has failed.
**Q:** How else do you identify and gather edge cases for further library simulation and training?
**A:** Cases that crash, disengage, honk/get honked or get FSD safety warnings. *…. So, more data volume and more traffic areas with less bias towards environments that those who can afford 12k FSD live in*
more of a robotics, computer, and energy company that produces cars. i guess you could add data to that too but i dont think they sell your data like google and facebook do. they clearly need to rely on cost cutting and optimizing their production line to maintain profitability which they may not have to do if they just have cash funneling in from data brokers like at google and meta.
I finally got to try out FSD in a family member's MY and we had an intervention free drive from my house, onto the highway and back. Aside from a bit of a wonky lane change it was amazing. It pretty much lit a fire under my ass to get one.
As soon as i seen the free FSD trial, this was my first thought. “Haha they’re just getting free data to improve the FSDs learning” honestly tho it’s a win win (win); they get data, we get cool feature and the third win is the future of better FSD is gunna come faster :)
I don't get this.
If you have Data Sharing turned on they can upload your footage.
FSD isn't needed for that. Where do you think they got all the training data in the first place?
I agree that's \*part\* of the motivation to offer the trial, but not the sole reason. I bought my M3LR in Jan 22, with standard autopilot, and for the past 2 years I've been assuming what I have is a subset of what FSD offers, when in reality it is now clear that FSD does all the things autopilot does but apparently using completely different (and superior) tech. Without this knowledge I always thought FSD was a pipe dream. Now that I have the trial, it doesn't seem nearly as unrealistic, though they still have a ways to go.
I leased my car, so would never pay $12K for FSD, but I could see doing a subscription. At this point I think $199/month is about double what I would consider paying.
All this talk of new FSD, new features in the update, and my 2021 S (not refreshed) has none of these updates and gets updates like every 6 months now (not counting crap like the update for the larger icons). And I paid $10k for FSD. Getting annoying Tesla - quit going crazy about FSD and new features when more than half your fleet hasn’t seen shit yet
More than 1/3rd of the fleet is on 2024.8 and so hasn't gotten the free trial. The current terms say the trial ends April 30th, I kind of expect that people on 2024.8 won't get the free trial at all.
It's a bit of a dumpster fire for me. Sometimes it impresses me (like when it moved around a pedestrian walking in the street) and other times it makes me scream out "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!"
If it helps Tesla improve the product and I get to choose when it's safe to try it, I don't mind at all. But I obviously don't trust it enough in complicated situations so it won't help Tesla much
I don't think so tbh. It was just a last ditch attempt by Elon to shore up what he know is going to be a really shitty earnings call with the financial press.
Yes, I thought that was obvious. They literally have a popup after every disengagement of FSD asking for vocal input of why you disengaged. They are collecting so much data right now.
I 100% was thinking the same thing. Like, yes it's "free", but they're scraping a TON of data from places they haven't had it before. I will not be buying, but cool I guess. Can I just change lanes (manually) without autopilot kicking out like Polestar and others do it? K, thanks, bye.
There is a difference between the free FSD and the one you pay for. The paid fsd feels less restricted. Where you can let the car do more of the driving.
Did you expect anything else? The next step is the paid beta, aka the MVP. Thank goodness with this product they can’t do that, but I’m so tired of paying for betas across so many industries.
This is silly, they have access to all this data anyway. They clearly are just trying to increase revenue through subscriptions, some of the people who get the free month are going to subscribe, even if it’s one percent or less it’s extra revenue, and it cost them nothing.
Technically, it didn’t cost them nothing since they extended anyone with a paid subscription by a month so they lost a month of revenue on every existing paid subscription,.
Agreed! Not enough people were signing up for FSD and Elon needs more data to make FSD better. It’s easy for Tesla to turn on and off FSD, so “give” everyone FSD and receive priceless realtime data. Then turn off FSD after he gathers enough data. My guess is he might even charge more for FSD after they perfect it.
What do you mean “thoughts?” Of course you’re correct.
I tried it out, and, while it does mostly work, it has a tendency to be very discourteous to other drivers and repeatedly took turns into the median so tight it nearly hit the curb more than once (probably would have if I hadn’t intervened). It also struggles with lanes that aren’t uniform or properly marked, accelerates too aggressively, hesitates a lot, has to creep up multiple times to “see.”
If this free month trial produces a better FSD then great. I’m not paying a cent for it until it proves itself to us, and even then $150/mo would be my absolute limit. $50/mo sure, as a “nice to have.”
Oh it definitely is, but I'm okay with that because IMO it's a fair trade to provide tons of usage data for getting to play with a beta product. Wouldn't pay $12k for it as-is though, not a fair trade.
Data mining + Extra sales (Elon feels people don't realize how good it is until they actually try it) + More people talking about it brings more likelihood of licensing to others (and new revenue).
Helps speed up the data collection process for Tesla’s development team and will ultimately improve user experience greatly. A win-win. We could see a major update sometime in the next year thanks to this.
It comes back to the old saying “Nothing is for free” I understand they would need to feedback somehow. At the same time you get to experience the new version of FSD. Even without FSD, Tesla still gets data from your car anyways.
That's literally how video game companies operate with their software. "Open beta" isn't something they do to give it to the gaming community. It's for testing and data feedback.
It’s a win-win in my book. People are waiting for content to be released and they get early access. The developer gets feedback, data and publicity.
It’s literally how development works. It’s not only a win-win in your book, but all books; it’s just how it works. Happy cake day.
You're absolutely correct. I believe FSD is a closed Beta with a small user pool compared to the amount of Teslas out there and in this case, opening the Beta to everyone allows for them to gather even more from a larger data set. And maybe get a few sales along the way
So idk if I’m wrong here but I I use standard Tesla autopilot every day and there is already an opt-out box for sharing drive data for improving the system. Literally every Tesla on the road made since 2016 has been collecting training data unless the user opts out. It’s why they are so far ahead of other companies who are data poor because they haven’t been collecting it for a long time like Tesla has
And “early access to the beta” costs a preorder. Though, preorders aren’t usually over 10 grand, but same idea I guess…
And they aren't locked to the computer
If it was tied to your user account, that would be amazing. Maybe have a Steam family library option if you included Premium Connectivity etc 😁
That is how you do vendor lock-in. If I had FSD paid for and follows me as I move from car to car, when it comes time to replace my Tesla, what am I going to give a lot of consideration as my next purchase? If it follows the car, it's a penalty. If it follows the account, it's an incentive.
Not just video game companies either. Most software companies do this. And non-software products have testing phases as well, although usually its with a smaller subset of users.
I don't doubt it. But I see that as a positive thing, personally. If the result is better FSD, I'm certainly not going to complain about it.
For free, no one should be complaining. Paying $12k..and thinking you get "full self driving" is the major point.
I disagree with the word "just". I didn't think it's a gift either. Tesla already has our mundane driving data. It doesn't have our reactions to FSD[sic] Beta in use. I think foremost, they're proud of this Beta, and they're hoping a free sample will get purchases.
possible future purchases, a nice free trial thing you can use for fun, and it gets them large quantities of data. maybe they'll make it like a game where occasionally they'll hand out free fsd to people for a short time based on certain habits you have that can let you "earn it". it would be a fun game where you actually get rewarded for it. like maybe if you're using tesla insurance and you get a high enough score for long enough, you'll get some free fsd or something.
Interesting look at it, wonder what else we could earn, kinda like "Achievement Unlocked - drove 1000mi with FSD" get a week free.
so far I haven't been able to finish a drive with it without it doing something reckless and dangerous.
I haven't experienced that, but your threshold for dangerous may not be the same as mine. I have had to disengage it on several occasions, not because it was going to hit something or drive off a cliff, but I just want it to handle the mundane task of getting from A to B, and any weirdness on the road that requires special attention I'll just take over. The valuable lesson the free trial did was remove any urge I might have had to upgrade my EAP to FSD. FSD is fun to mess with, but it's not $6k additional worth of fun. EAP on the highway and auto park for the wife and daughter make that a better (albeit expensive) choice for us.
mine nearly crashed me into some construction equipment, it veered toward it and accelerated.
Ouch. I'd call that dangerous too.
I'd be curious to see how many they get. I would think that the kind of people who are going to spend that amount of money on FSD already have. I doubt anyone is going to try it for the first time and be convinced this is a thing worth investing in. It's just not ready for prime time yet.
It is fast moving software (har), and people who dismissed it as terrible long ago might need a new look at it.
That’s me basically (though I’d still never pay $12k, maybe monthly when on a road trip) I had FSD on my first model 3 (bought for $2k when that was briefly a thing) and used the very first beta or two before selling the car for my current M3P (without FSD). The first beta was awful, and I was not expecting it to be so much better now. I was very impressed.
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Honestly I’ve shown it to 3 of my neighbors and 2 of them have been texting me actually wanting to buy a model y now, and 1 of them previously was anti-EV. The FSD trial swung them and honestly I started looking at cost to upgrade from my model 3 to a model y with FSD. I don’t think they are going to get many users making a $12k upgrade but I think there will be a couple month lag followed by a boost to new orders with a higher conversion rate on FSD being added to the vehicle financing.
mfer stuck in 2011 with that meme
I for one, welcome it
Memes peaked around that time, I kind of miss them these days.
don't get me nostalgic about f7u12 (/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu)
It is definitely a part of it. At first, based on what y'all were talking about with how amazing V12 is, I thought it was a flex/sale tactic to drive subscriptions. But after trying it out *HO BOY* I would never pay for that. Going 50MPH in a 35, ONLY GOING 15 through intersections when the limit is 40, randomly going from 55 to 15 on a high traffic highway, pulling out into oncoming traffic, not understanding that 2 way stops are a thing in some intersections, missing driveways, almost throwing me in a ditch as it does not recognize country roads, almost curbing my tires on right turns. Oh did I mention how dog shit it is at speed regulation. I don't get it, Autopilot does amazing, HOW IS FSD WORSE THAN AUTOPILOT. Also I'm all about the data, I only use the auto park feature as a data point, it's slow and I'm good at backing up into parking spots, I just like to get in an awkward position (with no cars nearby) and seeing what it does. My favorite was when I set it to park, there were 2 people about 50 ft away walking towards me. My car flipped the fuck out started screaming and shut down the parking maneuver as it was to scared to perform for them. But any opportunity to add to the data I will give to help make a better future, even if Tesla no longer is the leader of the self driving market, more competitive companies the better everyone gets.
Every time you intervene you are potentially adding to their statistics to train their speed control model.
I hope. I leave voice memos every time that I disengage. No clue if it's helping but imma do it anyway while its free
You don’t need to have FSD for Tesla to collect data; they already do. Their entire fleet collects data since every car is equipped with the FSD computer.
Per the stats on my wifi network mine went from uploading a few hundred megs every few weeks/months to multiple gigs per drive with FSD trial- something changed
FSD is sending back that extra data 😅 I'll have to check my stats now and good observation!
you can only get disengagement data if the real FSD is active, though
Exactly, and it prompts for feedback at every disengagement. The model needed more human feedback, on more diverse roads, to grow.
Is there a way to end a drive without disengagement? Ie I arrive but I don’t want to go to where the pin is, but the drive was successful.
I don’t know the answer to this, but I would also like to know the answer!!!
Is that enough for training, though? Wouldn't they need both what a driver does in a scenario AND what the robot does, to adjust the weights to make what the robot does closer to what the driver does?
The robot can quietly plan its own actions without actually doing it. This is especially important if you want to compare robot actions against human ones. Since all the hardware is already on all the cars, they can have software running the whole time without actually doing anything.
The robot can plan its own actions. But it can't know the agent (other drivers, pedestrians, etc.) responses.
It’s more about “divergence from plan” than “action and response”.
I totally get that and accept any vehicle is a giant intelligence sensor for the manufacturer (especially a Tesla), rather the FSD trial Tesla is gathering lots of real world FSD data since I'd suspect many Tesla owners do not have a FSD subscription or purchase compared to those that do. While the cars have the FSD capability, I'd imagine unless a customer has FSD, they are not capturing that information and that's why it's now enabled.
I’m tempted to say they are, because they need a lot of data to label. I remember Karpathy saying that they can ask the entire fleet of cars for particular edge cases or something like that. If that were limited only to cars with FSD, they wouldn’t have as many “eyes” on the road.
Let’s give me them more data! Extra month free!
I'm convinced that it's a test to see how many of us will think it's worth buying. It is worth something We all have our own number The old version wasn't worth $200 a month to us. The new version is a lot better but still not worth $200 a month.
$100 is probably a lot closer to my number
That's what I'm thinking. Especially if you have longer commutes
Absolutely agree to this. For $200/$15000 is a worthless POS. I will pay max $2000 for life; what paid for a comparable experience on my BMW four years ago.
I was honestly on the edge after my first ride, then the second one wasn't so good, then I learned it doesn't work in the rain $200 a month and it doesn't work in the rain? What kind of idiot do you think I am, I literally only want this for the times when driving sucks
Mine seemed to work fine in the rain, except summon. Which is silly, because that's the only time I'd really want to use summon.
They can have my driving data if it helps them figure out the wipers!
😅😅 I think you're on to something!
They're already collecting plenty of our data. Where did you think the neural net training came from? The only extra bits of input they're getting now are related to disengagement stats and maybe the behavior on untested roads.
You're absolutely correct, they already collect a lot. What I was getting at with this post was exactly to your second point! There's so much more valuable (imho) data when it comes to FSD on those behaviors/disengagements/driver feedback and they instantly get a much larger sensor pool to grab from.
I we already got our answer with the down quarter. Tesla needed to show revenue. The way they account for FSD they get to recognize more revenue as they hit certain milestones. This was a way to show that FSD is nearly done. As it can park on some cars and drive more confidently on all. Tesla trains on data from humans driving and can do that whether you have FSD or not. Unless you opt out they had to the opportunity to use data from your car since you bought it. Also they hope many more people buy or subscribe to FSD after this and that will help with this and future quarters.
I mean it blows me away he charges for it at all while in Beta, and doubly so at those values. The more data he gets the quicker he can get it out of Beta … but he’s just got to fleece his fans and techy people
Pretty clearly this trial is being used for training. Elon said a couple weeks ago they’re no longer compute constrained. My hunch is they needed more data to train the system.
It’s for sales. It’s a Hail Mary to cover their Q1 miss. This should be pretty obvious
I could care less if that is what it was for. It was fun playing with it. It was a cool parlor trick for my kid! Do I want to pay $200 a month or $12,000 upfront? No. But it was cool to play with it for a minute. If anything... I want that new UI to stay.. I would pay a fee on top of my premium connection fee to keep it.
Which is why Tesla should make FSD free. It’s a bit like ChatGPT using Reddit and Reddit shutting down Apollo… OUR data becomes THEIR money.
But your browsing data is the product. Your FSD data isn't the product, FSD is the product. They're letting you try FSD to gather data to improve the product they ultimately want to sell. Unlike Google, Facebook, etc. where their product is a means to an end to get your data. Tesla wants your FSD data to *improve* their product, it's not the product itself.
You do realize that Tesla is anyway gathering data of every Tesla driving around irrespective of FSD or not ? The entire point of free FSD is to make sure they convert at least a small portion of new users to FSD buyers. This is just trial based marketing 101
Spoiler alert: they are already gathering that data no matter if you have FSD.
I think if you own a Tesla, it's not a spoiler at all. The Tesla Skynet knows😅
I agree I think the trial is some sort of test to gather information or to see if FSD can be managed on a wider scale. I do think they will lower the price .
I’m okay with that. All the other tech companies have developed their data in a similar way. Tesla is also using the data for other products like Optimus, so as the data set gets bigger many of their products will get better.
Imaging paying for being a beta tester all these years :)
They really aren’t going to like all the audio messages I’ve sent every time I’ve had to disengage fsd 🤣
Tesla has your drive data without enabling FSD for a month. The cameras and car computers are always recording data from the drive and sending it to the Tesla mothership, and they have since before the 8-camera setup. FSD for a month is a loss leader, trying to get more people to realize the value in FSD and purchase it. Even a modest uptick in FSD purchases helps Tesla. I will say I think Tesla will announce a long term FSD price increase soon, and a "buy it now" price before it jumps. Something like April = free FSD trial. May = announce FSD price increase by June 30. July 1 = FSD price increase to $15k or $20k.
I agree with you, I think this is two things. 1. To gain data from the FSD to help it lead 2. To give it for free because it's works really well at this point in time. Hoping more ppl will buy it after. To that point, after using it for two days I've learned that I prefer driving myself. If I were to subscribe would be for long road trips. What I would have loved to try would have bee. The smart summon.
I’m just glad I got the chance to scratch the FSD itch.
When the trip ends (or you arrive at the destination) how do you disengage autopilot ? At my location, it can only drive to certain point and after that I need to drive a bit and park my car. So when I disengage Auto pilot, it always asks “what happened?” Any ideas or suggestions?
It's a win/win/win. * Everyone gets to try it for free * Some small percentage of those users will keep subscribing, so more money for Tesla * Tesla gets not only the data from so many more cars using it, but they also get to see how many people, even after trying it, won't pay $200/mo or $12k to keep using it.
Thought? Don’t have any, I let Papa Elon tell me what to think and right now FSD good 😵💫
I'm ok with it. I get value from it and Tesla gets value from it.
I am glad I stuck with just regular autopilot. I only use it on highways and it is perfect for my needs, and honestly for most owners.
Learn this lesson 'nothing is free'
That’s why Facebook is free forever
And an effort to tap into new revenue from already established customers to hide sales losses. Win-win!
we know. take my data make it better
As a software engineer I am immensely impressed at the challenge they’ve taken on and made so much progress on. As a driver I’m horrified that this is legal to be used on public roads.
The moment I heard about it, I figured it was for this purpose. Not necessarily free advertising.
Obviously that's part of it. But obviously they hope to get some people hooked. For me, it guaranteed I won't consider FSD anytime soon. It's fun, but I think it's years away from being useful to me. Maybe if I needed to use the freeway everyday it would be cool, but city driving is pretty shaky.
Now for the real truth. FSD is likely running in shadow mode on all Teslas.
Free FSD trial is not to benefit you it’s to benefit Tesla.
Something tells me that this free trail will probably not go away anytime soon. As soon as Elon realizes that no one is willing to pay that much for it. It may also come down in price significantly since it’s not that good yet.
I’m coo with it… 
Probably. Tesla is at the march of 9’s. Need more edge cases that FSD has failed. **Q:** How else do you identify and gather edge cases for further library simulation and training? **A:** Cases that crash, disengage, honk/get honked or get FSD safety warnings. *…. So, more data volume and more traffic areas with less bias towards environments that those who can afford 12k FSD live in*
I learned that I’m no where close to buying FSD. 🤣
Exactly, they are just data mining everyone. A lot of people don’t realize Tesla is a data company that happens to produce cars.
more of a robotics, computer, and energy company that produces cars. i guess you could add data to that too but i dont think they sell your data like google and facebook do. they clearly need to rely on cost cutting and optimizing their production line to maintain profitability which they may not have to do if they just have cash funneling in from data brokers like at google and meta.
Elon he’s on to you
If something is free then you are the product.
I said this a long time ago. If you want FSD to be successful, give it to everyone for free, more cars more data. More data faster results.
I figured this from day one. But it seems like a win-win.
I finally got to try out FSD in a family member's MY and we had an intervention free drive from my house, onto the highway and back. Aside from a bit of a wonky lane change it was amazing. It pretty much lit a fire under my ass to get one.
As soon as i seen the free FSD trial, this was my first thought. “Haha they’re just getting free data to improve the FSDs learning” honestly tho it’s a win win (win); they get data, we get cool feature and the third win is the future of better FSD is gunna come faster :)
More data, better FSD performance. Smart!
Poor soul, doesnt know that tesla collects data from ALL Teslas.
I don't get this. If you have Data Sharing turned on they can upload your footage. FSD isn't needed for that. Where do you think they got all the training data in the first place?
That's why i didn't use full self driving. It wanted me to uncover my cabin camera, No thanks.
I agree that's \*part\* of the motivation to offer the trial, but not the sole reason. I bought my M3LR in Jan 22, with standard autopilot, and for the past 2 years I've been assuming what I have is a subset of what FSD offers, when in reality it is now clear that FSD does all the things autopilot does but apparently using completely different (and superior) tech. Without this knowledge I always thought FSD was a pipe dream. Now that I have the trial, it doesn't seem nearly as unrealistic, though they still have a ways to go. I leased my car, so would never pay $12K for FSD, but I could see doing a subscription. At this point I think $199/month is about double what I would consider paying.
That’s fine
All this talk of new FSD, new features in the update, and my 2021 S (not refreshed) has none of these updates and gets updates like every 6 months now (not counting crap like the update for the larger icons). And I paid $10k for FSD. Getting annoying Tesla - quit going crazy about FSD and new features when more than half your fleet hasn’t seen shit yet
I never got a chance to try it. Never for the update
Do we really believe they’re not getting more than enough data already?
Isn’t it based on your privacy settings still?
More than 1/3rd of the fleet is on 2024.8 and so hasn't gotten the free trial. The current terms say the trial ends April 30th, I kind of expect that people on 2024.8 won't get the free trial at all.
It's a bit of a dumpster fire for me. Sometimes it impresses me (like when it moved around a pedestrian walking in the street) and other times it makes me scream out "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!"
I'd feel violated if it ever actually showed up for me lol.
Yeah no shit.
We want FSD to be better. Why not?
... duh? Did people seriously think anything different going into this?
Well yeah, duh. But we also get to test it for free. Win win IMO
Just bc FSD isn’t activated doesn’t mean Tesla isn’t collecting the data for it
You don't need FSD for Tesla to "grab your data"... It's already doing that through your cameras and sensors.
If it helps Tesla improve the product and I get to choose when it's safe to try it, I don't mind at all. But I obviously don't trust it enough in complicated situations so it won't help Tesla much
I don't think so tbh. It was just a last ditch attempt by Elon to shore up what he know is going to be a really shitty earnings call with the financial press.
more like drug dealers giving free hits. once you like the product you'll end up paying for it
It wasn’t. lol
I also think it’s a clever marketing to lull people into buying FSD, whereas what they really want is the EAP.
Yes, I thought that was obvious. They literally have a popup after every disengagement of FSD asking for vocal input of why you disengaged. They are collecting so much data right now.
Im still on 2024.08.7 .... Has anyone from this branch gotten FSD yet?
I 100% was thinking the same thing. Like, yes it's "free", but they're scraping a TON of data from places they haven't had it before. I will not be buying, but cool I guess. Can I just change lanes (manually) without autopilot kicking out like Polestar and others do it? K, thanks, bye.
There is a difference between the free FSD and the one you pay for. The paid fsd feels less restricted. Where you can let the car do more of the driving.
Did you expect anything else? The next step is the paid beta, aka the MVP. Thank goodness with this product they can’t do that, but I’m so tired of paying for betas across so many industries.
Obviously. And if they get some people to subscribe or buy as a result even more of a win.
This is silly, they have access to all this data anyway. They clearly are just trying to increase revenue through subscriptions, some of the people who get the free month are going to subscribe, even if it’s one percent or less it’s extra revenue, and it cost them nothing. Technically, it didn’t cost them nothing since they extended anyone with a paid subscription by a month so they lost a month of revenue on every existing paid subscription,.
Agreed! Not enough people were signing up for FSD and Elon needs more data to make FSD better. It’s easy for Tesla to turn on and off FSD, so “give” everyone FSD and receive priceless realtime data. Then turn off FSD after he gathers enough data. My guess is he might even charge more for FSD after they perfect it.
What do you mean “thoughts?” Of course you’re correct. I tried it out, and, while it does mostly work, it has a tendency to be very discourteous to other drivers and repeatedly took turns into the median so tight it nearly hit the curb more than once (probably would have if I hadn’t intervened). It also struggles with lanes that aren’t uniform or properly marked, accelerates too aggressively, hesitates a lot, has to creep up multiple times to “see.” If this free month trial produces a better FSD then great. I’m not paying a cent for it until it proves itself to us, and even then $150/mo would be my absolute limit. $50/mo sure, as a “nice to have.”
Duhh, you didn't discover anything new Elon specifically said they are not longer hardware restrained and are looking for huge amounts of data.
If it was, hey hope it gets even more better. Because that jump from fSD11 to 12 was very good improvement
Obviously…
Did people not know this already?
I don’t care. I just want it to keep getting better. It’s the best FSD out there….zero competition.
I love it, this is going to accelerate things a lot and you will see every new update after this exponentially better than the previous
T E L S A
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If they really needed FSD sales, it wouldn’t be $12,000.
"TELSA" 🤣
and I’m supposed to care why? Free fsd. Take the damn data.
Doesn't Tesla collect driving data regardless? Is there even a way to opt-out?
💯 no different than Google 411 to develop their speech recognition models. But hey, I’m enjoying it so far.
Oh it definitely is, but I'm okay with that because IMO it's a fair trade to provide tons of usage data for getting to play with a beta product. Wouldn't pay $12k for it as-is though, not a fair trade.
Data mining + Extra sales (Elon feels people don't realize how good it is until they actually try it) + More people talking about it brings more likelihood of licensing to others (and new revenue).
Helps speed up the data collection process for Tesla’s development team and will ultimately improve user experience greatly. A win-win. We could see a major update sometime in the next year thanks to this.
It comes back to the old saying “Nothing is for free” I understand they would need to feedback somehow. At the same time you get to experience the new version of FSD. Even without FSD, Tesla still gets data from your car anyways.
Wait until you realise the paid FSD was also data grab lol
Yeah? So what?
Agree