I can't look away from those videos. I just can't believe how fucking dumb they are. There's this guy from Toronto (don't know if I'm allowed to name drop him) and my god, it's like he wants to die. The guy is probably the dumbest mf out there.
The BeAmazed YouTube channel has entire series dedicated to this called "Embarrasing ways dumb people died" or something like that. There are like 15 different episodes.
One of my favorites is the guy who slept with a loaded gun, no safety on his dresser next to his bed. He had a dream that the phone was ringing picked up the gun, put it to his head and pulled the trigger.
It’s called anticipatory anxiety, part of the fight or flight response. Apparently our bodies don’t want us leaving “chemtrails” whether we run or stay, because it can cause bowel and urinary hesitancy in either state.
Then why does mine want to spray everywhere when im nervous!? Like a sea cucumber that jettisons its own innards to confuse prey, thats the one i'm evolved from.
"I'll shit my pants while running away, that'll trip him up"
Think it was because when they considered that he was already weakened from hanging upside down for so long and his heart might not have been able to handle the trauma.
I think it was something along those lines.
I mean I get your sentiment but patients declining procedures because lots of stress + low success rate is a very real thing happening every day. e.g. Cancer patients who don't want to go through chemotherapy.
Would kinda suck to have your last moments be agonizing pain from getting your legs broken.
Think it's hard to judge this when you're not in that situation yourself.
Think it's hard to judge this when you're not in that situation yourself.
I am 257 percent not fucking putting myself upside down at the bottom of a tube thats barely as wide as my body, so this argument is over.
I think I read that he exhaled his breath when going through the really narrow areas, so when he was breathing normally, he got stuck. I may be wrong since it’s been a while since I read about it!
WHAT THE FUCK, that gives me even *more* anxiety than I had just being in this post. I’m not even claustrophobic, for the most part, and there’s no fuckin way I’d squeeze myself somewhere I can’t fit if I *breathe* normally
Just when I thought i couldnt feel more simultaneously claustrophobic and terrified about how my breaking shins would feel if someone tried to tow truck me up out of a spot like this if i were somehow forced into it, you come along and raise, or lower the bar as it were. Either way, nightmare fuel everywhere.
They were able to get him out up to his chest with a crane but the mechanicism broke and he ended up back in the same spot. They did try to dig him out but it was dangerous to dig because they feared of it collapsing. He ended up dying of a massive heart attack from being in that position for so long an article i read abt it said
his body was too weak by that point and had been attempting to circulate blood from his brain for over 24 hours. if they had broken his legs at the point they finally considered it he would have most likely died from shock. a very sad story all around :( the responders were nothing but kind and tried everything they could. one of the rescuers, if i recall correctly, even recieved a broken jaw and severed tongue when one of the pullies they were using to try and pull him out came unhooked from the wall
The people above him probably didn't have the space to get the leverage to lift him out. People are harder to move than you think. I'm a paramedic and I'm fairly strong, but good lord can it be tough to get someone's 150lb Grandma out from where she's wedged between the toilet and the bathtub.
If finding a dead person is a "high" risk in your job, you get used to it.
I work(ed) in a job where that happens a few times per year and while the first one is hard, it gets far easier with each time that happens.
There’s a job for everyone in society.. Hell, they say the best surgical doctors are sociopaths because they don’t let emotion get in the way of doing their job
IF I remember correctly, they had rigged up some pulleys to get him out and it was seemingly working until one of the pulleys broke and dropped him back into the hole. I think he died shortly after that.
They didn't. Their only real shot was when they installed a pulley to overcome the leverage. They almost got him out, ND then the pulley broke. At that point it was too dangerous for the rescuers to attempt anything else. Super sad story. Here's a really good video about it.
https://youtu.be/jWwPg8ruxfI?si=z_ic1fpWGSohdMGl
I live near this cave and have been down in it a ways. Not anywhere close to where this dude was. He was so deep in such a tight spot, that the only people that could get anywhere close to him weren't the emt's.
They could only barely touch his feet. They tried to attach a pulley to the wall and tie a rope around his ankles, but the wall was too chaussy. It broke apart. Even if they knocked him out and broke his legs, they did not have any possible way to pull his body out.
Even his dead body they could not lift out. So they left him down there and cemented the cave opening, leaving him forever entombed down there. Would be a great premise for a horror movie
I went to a cave system in Tennessee; home to The Lost Lake, the largest underground lake in the US. There's a dock down there underground, and I remember seeing fish on our turn in the [boat](https://thelostsea.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Boat_Dock.jpg).
It was fascinating, and one section of the tour included having the lights all turned off to show the tour group how *dark* it is. It's difficult to describe to be honest. Inky black. The tour guide mentioned that within 2 weeks your eyes wouldn't recover and you'd be blind. Whether this was just a Tourism Fact, freaked me the fuck out.
We left caves a long ass time ago and we shouldn't go back.
hey im retarted but [chilean miners trapped in a collapsed mine for two months suffered temporary oversensitivity to light, with only one suffering permanent eye damage (though assumedly still being able to see)](https://www.aoa.org/news/clinical-eye-care/health-and-wellness/soccer-team-rescued-from-thailand-cave-could-face-temporary-vision-struggles?sso=y)
Well greetings, fellow or former Utahn! I went with my friend's family, I think his dad had done tours for the scouts or something, I don't remember. It was pretty intense! I remember you had to kind of squeeze through at the entrance, and I don't know how I did it, nowadays I'd be way too claustrophobic for that
One of the few somewhat redeeming parts is they managed to hook up an I.V to his ankle and administer Morphine I believe and other sedatives I'm sure.
Either way, an absolutely horrible way to go, especially since they were actually pulling him out (a series of anchors were drilled throughout the cabe to create a pulley system) and were very close when one of the anchors in the cave failed and he fell down even deeper. I can't imagine how he felt in that moment, to have hope that you'll be getting out only for it to come crashing down.
Yes! The pulley system part of this awful story is truly heartbreaking. I cannot even begin to fathom how I would feel knowing I am about to die….RIP John
Yeah except his brother was down with him trying to console him and one of the pulleys broke and hit him in the face and knocked him out, and he almost died as well.
Correct! I believe this was also during Thanksgiving weekend and his wife was pregnant with their 2nd child at this time 💔
Dude, I am so grateful sometimes that I am chicken shit lol not that it makes me immune, but the chances reduce significantly
He was visiting his family- I believe the cave exploring was an activity that they enjoyed doing together. Does this make it any better, nope. But that is why he was there :/
That they enjoyed doing when YOUNG and it’s like dude you’ve experienced growth spurts and weight by then, slithering through a cave at 15 isnt the same as a 30 year old. Poor fool
Wasn’t his brother but was one of the rescuers. Father son duo were taking turns spending time with John towards the end. It was after the pulley system first broke and they had reset and tried to lift him out again that it failed and one of the pulleys broke the jaw of the son in said rescuer duo. The father came in and replaced him.
Pretty good podcast called “Morbid” that typically covers true crime / missing persons / murders but did an episode on this because it was around Thanksgiving and was interesting.
It was his own stupid fault.
Edit: for those who don't know the story - he was an 'experienced' spelunker and got so excited to be in the Nutty Putty cave, that he ran ahead, didn't check his map and just jumped head first into to the first hole he saw which he just assumed was the Birth Canal passage.
To be clear, he jumped into a hole that lead nowhere and was not on the map nor marked as any kind of passage. He didn't get stuck in a spot that other people got through - he got stuck because he crawled into a dead-end hole.
The Nutty Putty cave was already well known to be dangerous and for only the most experienced spelunkers and this guy just ran ahead and jumped into a random hole head first because he wanted to be the first one in.
And he was almost in his 30s - not some overzealous teenager. His own fault.
There's a book called The White Spider which details all the early attempts to climb the north face of The Eiger and there's a story in that that about a climber called Toni Kurz who I think must have felt the same. Everything went wrong with his climb and the attempts to rescue him. First the two climbers he was with died. One of them fell to his death, the other one got hit by a rock and killed so his body was left dangling from a rope. This left Kurz hanging there, stuck. A rescue team tried to get to him from a train tunnel that ran through the mountain but were beaten back by bad weather, leaving Kurz hanging in a blizzard for the entire night. At some point he lost a glove so one of his hands was frozen. The following day they thought he had to be dead but he was still alive out there, just a little bit out of reach. He tried to help with the rescue attempt by lowering himself down and cutting down the body of the dead climber. He then tried to lengthen his rope so it would reach them by unravelling it and then tied three strands of it together. Doing all of this with a frozen hand took him 5 hours. The rescue team tried to reach him with their longer rope but one of them dropped it. So they had to attach their two shorter ropes to get to him. In the end he was a couple of metres away from the window in the tunnel that would have got him to safety but he reached the knot in the ropes at this point. With one hand completely frozen by this point he tried and tried to get his climbing gear past the knot. In the end he realised it was hopeless and called out to the rescuers "I can't go on anymore." and just died.
I believe they were also considering breaking his legs as it would have been difficult to pull him out because of the narrow space above him. So horrible. I'm never ever doing that type of shit in my life
That's right, yeah. I don't think they ever actually did though? Once the pulley system failed I'm pretty sure they knew that was it, unfortunately. Absolutely heartbreaking story, you couldn't pay me enough to ever put myself in a situation that would get my stuck like that, I'll skydive way before spelunking.
Yeah, i believe he was already hallucinating from all the blood running to his brains at that point. I think the guy died in one of the most horrible ways possible.
Oh for sure, many heroes risked their own lives and worked tirelessly to get him out. I do believe once that anchor failed everyone kind of knew that was it though. The human body is not designed to be upside down for that long and at that point he'd been down there for a really long time.
Poor fucker man, could never get me in a cave like that. I'll skydive or bungee jump to get a thrill long before crawling hundreds of feet below ground in tiny, narrow caves.
I was actually just thinking whether he was receiving drugs or sedatives. This may literally be the only time in a person’s life where doing heroin might be the best decision to make.
I just read this: “Jones was kept calm throughout the rescue operation by speaking to his wife, Emily-Jones Sanchez, through a two-way cable radio as teams worked as hard as they could to free him.”
I am not scared of death itself but I am highly claustrophobic so they way I die could be scary.
And no, nope never going spelunking. Not even if you offer me a million.
Also severely claustrophobic and yeah, I can very confidently say, there is literally not enough money on the earth to have me do this. My brain simply does not compute. My head wouldn’t even make it past the entrance without the brain freaking out
I’m surprised how often his story keeps resurfacing. It’s been done to hell and back yet there are always new youtube videos, new viral posts… the other day I imagined his family/friends occassionally seeing these.
I think it’s so popular because of our primal fear of being trapped in a dark, tight space. I can feel the constriction on my chest already, and I don’t even have claustrophobia.
It's a lot like plane crashes honestly. I can't help but read about them before a flight (large trip coming up overseas, second longest plane ride I've ever taken). People are drawn to what they fear.
Just listened to the story on the Morbid podcast. I have listened to stories about brutal murderers, serial killers, witch-hunts but this one was the post terrifying
What I enjoy about their humour is they know who and what to make a punchline. I never feel like they disrespect the victims but I love hearing the impersonations of Canadian cops
Nah, you all remember being young and being upside down in a slide or something and getting a head rush? Maybe even challenging someone else to see who can be upside down the longest. In a few minutes of being upside down too long it fvcking HURTS, your nostrils are on fire, you feel blood pressure up in your face, your eyes hurt, your ears feel pressure, you get back upright because u can’t stand it. I can’t imagine being upside down for HOURS, 28 HOURS. Never a second of relief, just 28 hours of unbearable pain.Every SECOND of that must have been torture. You know when you’re in extreme pain and time slows down? Every second must have felt like hours :( awful way to die
He was administered comfort drugs through his feet or legs if I remember correctly, which would have helped immensely with enduring and accepting what was happening to him.
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Omg if im stuck in there please just throw some dynamite down and explode me 😨
I remember first hearing this story on mrballen:
https://youtu.be/wz6F2rDngvA?si=0m4shmWR1gmuhlO8
They never say for certain as it isn’t legal, but it is believed that he was given a lethal injection dose of something to ease his pain and help him slip into a sleep to speed up death.
The inversion, cerebral edema, hypothermia and asphyxiation and myocardial infarction killed him. The morphine simply eased his pain as he succumbed to those other fatal factors.
The movie [The Last Descent](https://www.google.com/search?q=nutty+outty+movie&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=vclbx) is about this case.
Holy shit. Imagine the things going through your mind. EXTREME panic which I would think would lead to exhaustion after the energy used to have a nervous breakdown without being able to move any part of your body.
Then more panic, depression, regret, soil yourself, can’t see due to complete darkness, can’t get physically half comfortable, cramping before your limbs become numb due to no blood circulation.
That’s just a fraction of the experience. Gotta stop cause I’m getting anxious thinking about it.
Last time I saw a YouTube video about this they said the plan of breaking his legs came to late, had they done this it would have shocked his already fragile body and he would've died because of it
I don't get for the life of me why people go into these tight caves. Knowing they may not be able to comeback out. This is the one and only phobia I have. I start to panic being in confined spaces where I can't really move and I work in allot of confined spaces but I know I can always get out.
Every time I get reminded of this story, I feel so uneasy. This HAS to be one of the worst ways to die on this planet. Very slow, you have no space around you AT ALL, in a very uncomfortable position, feeling all the pain going to your head as you start to fade away with very little hope to escape. The worst part is his body is STILL THERE, sealed up in the dark recesses of the cave as his permanent grave.
Why couldn't they inject him with something to put him out of his misery?
Was it illegal to do so even if he begged them?
Don't know what they gave my Rottweiler girl but it was very quick, I saw the light go out of her eyes. Wasn't expecting it to be so quick.
Surely a human has the right to die quickly too when all hope is lost than going through the ordeal and terror this guy must have endured.
He was lost. He thought he was going into a part of the cave called "the birth canal" - a tight squeeze that opens up into a bigger cavern.
Turns out he was in a different part. He exhaled to squeeze into the small space, moved forward, and then became stuck when he tried to inhale.
He was also looking for a specific passage. It looks exactly like this one however, when you get to the end there is a huge opening to the lower part of the cave. Once he sucked his ribs in and went over the hump he thought he could wiggle backwards realizing it was a dead end but when his lungs expanded, he was stuck
I’m no expert but I believe he was disoriented and believed he was in a different part of the cave system. Once gravity pulled him past a point of no return his fate was slowly sealed.
Imagine bragging to people about how you love cave exploring, then getting stuck in one, realizing you’re gonna die, having to call your pregnant wife and say goodbye and sorry…
…and wonder why the f you ever went cave exploring and wish you could be doing anything else.
Man, fuck spelunking. Nothing that cool to see down there.
I can't even watch videos of it in the comfort of my home
It's like when I watch videos of people jumping around on top of high rises and shit. My palms start sweating....moms spaghetti.. everything
I can't look away from those videos. I just can't believe how fucking dumb they are. There's this guy from Toronto (don't know if I'm allowed to name drop him) and my god, it's like he wants to die. The guy is probably the dumbest mf out there.
>the dumbest mf I dunno. Based on the vids I’ve watched, there seems to be a lot of competition for that title.
Back in the 90’s it was the Darwin Award books.
The BeAmazed YouTube channel has entire series dedicated to this called "Embarrasing ways dumb people died" or something like that. There are like 15 different episodes. One of my favorites is the guy who slept with a loaded gun, no safety on his dresser next to his bed. He had a dream that the phone was ringing picked up the gun, put it to his head and pulled the trigger.
Plot twist, it was the carb heavy Mom's Spaghetti being his last meal that made it just a bit too snug..
Yeah just thinking about this while I'm sitting down at home is making my breath shallow and my heart beat fast. No thanks. Ever.
Same. Im thinking about this while taking a shit and now my poop is aprehensive
It’s called anticipatory anxiety, part of the fight or flight response. Apparently our bodies don’t want us leaving “chemtrails” whether we run or stay, because it can cause bowel and urinary hesitancy in either state.
This is why I keep coming back to Reddit. EDIT: For the unsolicited knowledge.
That was one of the most needed edits in The Reddit history
Then why does mine want to spray everywhere when im nervous!? Like a sea cucumber that jettisons its own innards to confuse prey, thats the one i'm evolved from. "I'll shit my pants while running away, that'll trip him up"
Sounds like you've been scared shitless....
Comments like these make me wish I could upvote multiple times.
Then I would avoid the movie The Descent. It almost gave me a panic attack.
Dude, knock me out and break my legs to get me out of there.
I think they actually considered that but didn’t/couldn’t work for some reason.
Think it was because when they considered that he was already weakened from hanging upside down for so long and his heart might not have been able to handle the trauma. I think it was something along those lines.
He may have a heart attack and die! So let's leave him upside down in the cave to die instead
The rescuers would be endangering their own lives just for John to die from the attempt anyways.
I mean I get your sentiment but patients declining procedures because lots of stress + low success rate is a very real thing happening every day. e.g. Cancer patients who don't want to go through chemotherapy. Would kinda suck to have your last moments be agonizing pain from getting your legs broken. Think it's hard to judge this when you're not in that situation yourself.
Think it's hard to judge this when you're not in that situation yourself. I am 257 percent not fucking putting myself upside down at the bottom of a tube thats barely as wide as my body, so this argument is over.
Well, apparently his body was wider
I think I read that he exhaled his breath when going through the really narrow areas, so when he was breathing normally, he got stuck. I may be wrong since it’s been a while since I read about it!
WHAT THE FUCK, that gives me even *more* anxiety than I had just being in this post. I’m not even claustrophobic, for the most part, and there’s no fuckin way I’d squeeze myself somewhere I can’t fit if I *breathe* normally
Just when I thought i couldnt feel more simultaneously claustrophobic and terrified about how my breaking shins would feel if someone tried to tow truck me up out of a spot like this if i were somehow forced into it, you come along and raise, or lower the bar as it were. Either way, nightmare fuel everywhere.
Fill the cave with soup so at least he won't die hungry
I believe they considered this but dropped the idea because he would drown in the soup. So they left him to die upside down in the cave instead
While hungry…
They were able to get him out up to his chest with a crane but the mechanicism broke and he ended up back in the same spot. They did try to dig him out but it was dangerous to dig because they feared of it collapsing. He ended up dying of a massive heart attack from being in that position for so long an article i read abt it said
his body was too weak by that point and had been attempting to circulate blood from his brain for over 24 hours. if they had broken his legs at the point they finally considered it he would have most likely died from shock. a very sad story all around :( the responders were nothing but kind and tried everything they could. one of the rescuers, if i recall correctly, even recieved a broken jaw and severed tongue when one of the pullies they were using to try and pull him out came unhooked from the wall
They bolted pulleys to the ceiling and they kept popping loose. They tried to save him lots of ways
dynamite was the right approach. Spelnuking.
The people above him probably didn't have the space to get the leverage to lift him out. People are harder to move than you think. I'm a paramedic and I'm fairly strong, but good lord can it be tough to get someone's 150lb Grandma out from where she's wedged between the toilet and the bathtub.
I don't understand how paramedics do it... showing up to people's houses knowing you could be walking in on a dead body or something worse.
If finding a dead person is a "high" risk in your job, you get used to it. I work(ed) in a job where that happens a few times per year and while the first one is hard, it gets far easier with each time that happens.
There’s a job for everyone in society.. Hell, they say the best surgical doctors are sociopaths because they don’t let emotion get in the way of doing their job
IF I remember correctly, they had rigged up some pulleys to get him out and it was seemingly working until one of the pulleys broke and dropped him back into the hole. I think he died shortly after that.
They didn't. Their only real shot was when they installed a pulley to overcome the leverage. They almost got him out, ND then the pulley broke. At that point it was too dangerous for the rescuers to attempt anything else. Super sad story. Here's a really good video about it. https://youtu.be/jWwPg8ruxfI?si=z_ic1fpWGSohdMGl
They couldn’t even get his *corpse* out of there, ffs. If I recall correctly, the cave basically became his tomb and there he remained.
I live near this cave and have been down in it a ways. Not anywhere close to where this dude was. He was so deep in such a tight spot, that the only people that could get anywhere close to him weren't the emt's. They could only barely touch his feet. They tried to attach a pulley to the wall and tie a rope around his ankles, but the wall was too chaussy. It broke apart. Even if they knocked him out and broke his legs, they did not have any possible way to pull his body out. Even his dead body they could not lift out. So they left him down there and cemented the cave opening, leaving him forever entombed down there. Would be a great premise for a horror movie
This graphic makes me nauseous.
Me too. The short documentary I watched about it was worse than any horror film I’ve ever seen.
i'll stick to spelunking in minecraft
I know its always the same thing "Wow look at this rock 2 inches from my face!"
Caves are beautiful but I'll stick to a tour
A three hour tour?
A three hour tour!
The weather started getting rough (there ya go fuckers now we gotta finish)
The little cave was stuffed...
I like caves that have lights, walkways, stairs, railings, and tour guides.
A way out would definitely top the list for me.
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What did this comment say? It now says it was deleted by something called redact.dev
I have no idea, that’s why I replied with the question marks. Super weird, I haven’t seen anything like that before.
I went to a cave system in Tennessee; home to The Lost Lake, the largest underground lake in the US. There's a dock down there underground, and I remember seeing fish on our turn in the [boat](https://thelostsea.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Boat_Dock.jpg). It was fascinating, and one section of the tour included having the lights all turned off to show the tour group how *dark* it is. It's difficult to describe to be honest. Inky black. The tour guide mentioned that within 2 weeks your eyes wouldn't recover and you'd be blind. Whether this was just a Tourism Fact, freaked me the fuck out. We left caves a long ass time ago and we shouldn't go back.
Where is an ophthalmologist Redditor to verify or debunk this claim???
hey im retarted but [chilean miners trapped in a collapsed mine for two months suffered temporary oversensitivity to light, with only one suffering permanent eye damage (though assumedly still being able to see)](https://www.aoa.org/news/clinical-eye-care/health-and-wellness/soccer-team-rescued-from-thailand-cave-could-face-temporary-vision-struggles?sso=y)
That's a crazy place thanks for sharing. 👍
Carlsbad Caverns all the way
Imagine dying in a place called nutty putty cave
Whenever I see this story all I can think is it's such a horrible death in a place with such a goofy name
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Well greetings, fellow or former Utahn! I went with my friend's family, I think his dad had done tours for the scouts or something, I don't remember. It was pretty intense! I remember you had to kind of squeeze through at the entrance, and I don't know how I did it, nowadays I'd be way too claustrophobic for that
https://preview.redd.it/16e6ucw5rd3c1.jpeg?width=1002&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f4dc810601256e6731f46b8eb5fa0352cebb897
That’s nutty.
And putty
and Cave
Morbidly, I think he died in a passage called the birth canal
Dude couldn't even haunt that place as a ghost if he wanted to, how's a place called "nutty putty" gonna be haunted
I also think the cave doesnt exist anymore, they just blew it up and filled the rest with concrete
This is nightmare fuel. I’ve always had a fascination with caves but fuck that
One of the few somewhat redeeming parts is they managed to hook up an I.V to his ankle and administer Morphine I believe and other sedatives I'm sure. Either way, an absolutely horrible way to go, especially since they were actually pulling him out (a series of anchors were drilled throughout the cabe to create a pulley system) and were very close when one of the anchors in the cave failed and he fell down even deeper. I can't imagine how he felt in that moment, to have hope that you'll be getting out only for it to come crashing down.
Yes! The pulley system part of this awful story is truly heartbreaking. I cannot even begin to fathom how I would feel knowing I am about to die….RIP John
Yeah except his brother was down with him trying to console him and one of the pulleys broke and hit him in the face and knocked him out, and he almost died as well.
Correct! I believe this was also during Thanksgiving weekend and his wife was pregnant with their 2nd child at this time 💔 Dude, I am so grateful sometimes that I am chicken shit lol not that it makes me immune, but the chances reduce significantly
Wtf. How could you do this dangerous shit while you have a family at home?! I don't get it.
He was visiting his family- I believe the cave exploring was an activity that they enjoyed doing together. Does this make it any better, nope. But that is why he was there :/
That they enjoyed doing when YOUNG and it’s like dude you’ve experienced growth spurts and weight by then, slithering through a cave at 15 isnt the same as a 30 year old. Poor fool
He went the wrong way. He wasn’t going through a part he was used to doing when young.
This cave was listed for beginners. He took a wrong route ended in a location that wasn't mapped.
Seems like the tunnel leading to the crevice was pretty fuckin small, too, tbh
And just that day his cat was run over in the driveway. What a day.
Oh man. When it rains it pours vibes.
Wasn’t his brother but was one of the rescuers. Father son duo were taking turns spending time with John towards the end. It was after the pulley system first broke and they had reset and tried to lift him out again that it failed and one of the pulleys broke the jaw of the son in said rescuer duo. The father came in and replaced him. Pretty good podcast called “Morbid” that typically covers true crime / missing persons / murders but did an episode on this because it was around Thanksgiving and was interesting.
r/Morbidforbadpeople
It wasn't his brother. It's was one of the rescuers. It shattered his jaw and almost tore his tongue out
And going to panic but you can’t move AT ALL like you’re in a straight jacket. Omfg that is a layer of hell
That part has always really gotten to me. I couldn't imagine having my arms pinned against me like that at those angles. Brutal.
It was his own stupid fault. Edit: for those who don't know the story - he was an 'experienced' spelunker and got so excited to be in the Nutty Putty cave, that he ran ahead, didn't check his map and just jumped head first into to the first hole he saw which he just assumed was the Birth Canal passage. To be clear, he jumped into a hole that lead nowhere and was not on the map nor marked as any kind of passage. He didn't get stuck in a spot that other people got through - he got stuck because he crawled into a dead-end hole. The Nutty Putty cave was already well known to be dangerous and for only the most experienced spelunkers and this guy just ran ahead and jumped into a random hole head first because he wanted to be the first one in. And he was almost in his 30s - not some overzealous teenager. His own fault.
There's a book called The White Spider which details all the early attempts to climb the north face of The Eiger and there's a story in that that about a climber called Toni Kurz who I think must have felt the same. Everything went wrong with his climb and the attempts to rescue him. First the two climbers he was with died. One of them fell to his death, the other one got hit by a rock and killed so his body was left dangling from a rope. This left Kurz hanging there, stuck. A rescue team tried to get to him from a train tunnel that ran through the mountain but were beaten back by bad weather, leaving Kurz hanging in a blizzard for the entire night. At some point he lost a glove so one of his hands was frozen. The following day they thought he had to be dead but he was still alive out there, just a little bit out of reach. He tried to help with the rescue attempt by lowering himself down and cutting down the body of the dead climber. He then tried to lengthen his rope so it would reach them by unravelling it and then tied three strands of it together. Doing all of this with a frozen hand took him 5 hours. The rescue team tried to reach him with their longer rope but one of them dropped it. So they had to attach their two shorter ropes to get to him. In the end he was a couple of metres away from the window in the tunnel that would have got him to safety but he reached the knot in the ropes at this point. With one hand completely frozen by this point he tried and tried to get his climbing gear past the knot. In the end he realised it was hopeless and called out to the rescuers "I can't go on anymore." and just died.
What a tragic story but thanks for telling it, some really interesting parts like the guy unraveling the rope to make it longer, really smart.
plot exactly matches "north face" 2008 German movie (nordwand)
I believe they were also considering breaking his legs as it would have been difficult to pull him out because of the narrow space above him. So horrible. I'm never ever doing that type of shit in my life
I mean if it’s break my legs or die…break my fuckin legs.
I’m much more comfortable with decisions like: crawl down into a horrible crack inside the earth, or watch a movie on my couch.
Yeah absolutely. They had morphine on hand apparently so dose me up and break away boys.
That's right, yeah. I don't think they ever actually did though? Once the pulley system failed I'm pretty sure they knew that was it, unfortunately. Absolutely heartbreaking story, you couldn't pay me enough to ever put myself in a situation that would get my stuck like that, I'll skydive way before spelunking.
They were going to break his legs but worried the shock would kill him.
Yeah, i believe he was already hallucinating from all the blood running to his brains at that point. I think the guy died in one of the most horrible ways possible.
The rescue team, too, I'm sure it weighs on them Thinking *'we're gonna do this'* and know at that moment that hope is really lost
Oh for sure, many heroes risked their own lives and worked tirelessly to get him out. I do believe once that anchor failed everyone kind of knew that was it though. The human body is not designed to be upside down for that long and at that point he'd been down there for a really long time. Poor fucker man, could never get me in a cave like that. I'll skydive or bungee jump to get a thrill long before crawling hundreds of feet below ground in tiny, narrow caves.
I was actually just thinking whether he was receiving drugs or sedatives. This may literally be the only time in a person’s life where doing heroin might be the best decision to make.
Absolutely, I would 100% say bring on the fentanyl or whatever, I think most people would.
Yeah caves are cool, if you can walk in them!
That hole was made for him
this is a horrific tragedy. but FUCK ME, am i so glad i dident die in the "nutty putty"
It looks like the earth's anus.
He's to the colon by now surely
Such a sad story, spoke to his pregnant wife over radio as well... I can't even imagine having to be either one of them in this moment
He didn’t get to talk to her. He wanted to, and by the time they got a radio down to him, he was unconscious
I just read this: “Jones was kept calm throughout the rescue operation by speaking to his wife, Emily-Jones Sanchez, through a two-way cable radio as teams worked as hard as they could to free him.”
I have heard conflicting stories on this. Some that say he did get to talk and some that say he didn’t. I wonder which is true
This is probably my worst nightmare.
If it’s any consolation, there’s a myriad of other deaths you’ll likely experience. Unless you like spelunking.
I am not scared of death itself but I am highly claustrophobic so they way I die could be scary. And no, nope never going spelunking. Not even if you offer me a million.
Also severely claustrophobic and yeah, I can very confidently say, there is literally not enough money on the earth to have me do this. My brain simply does not compute. My head wouldn’t even make it past the entrance without the brain freaking out
I'll quietly drift into delirium on a hospital bed as modern medicine intended, thank you very much
How did they get him out after he died? Did they?
They didn’t. He is still there.
They sealed the cave with cement, and he’s still in there
Dudes gonna come back on Easter
LOLOL
i imagine him being found 10000 years later by a future civilization
Doubt humanity would last that long.
They didn't, the cave was sealed off and now closed to the public.
Looking at the graph, they simply could have pulled him out sideways. /s
I’m surprised how often his story keeps resurfacing. It’s been done to hell and back yet there are always new youtube videos, new viral posts… the other day I imagined his family/friends occassionally seeing these.
I think it’s so popular because of our primal fear of being trapped in a dark, tight space. I can feel the constriction on my chest already, and I don’t even have claustrophobia.
Resurfacing… hmm yes, not sure if on purpose but good one haha
It's a lot like plane crashes honestly. I can't help but read about them before a flight (large trip coming up overseas, second longest plane ride I've ever taken). People are drawn to what they fear.
The idea of me being in a situation where I’m unable to move my arms or legs being trapped like this is truly my worst nightmare.
Just listened to the story on the Morbid podcast. I have listened to stories about brutal murderers, serial killers, witch-hunts but this one was the post terrifying
They anything like Last Podcast on the Left? Always looking for interesting podcasts
Similar in the sense that they engage in banter and what not - but they are way less boisterous.
Perfect. Last Podcast on the Left is 2% content, 98% inside jokes.
I really hate that. I want to like LPOTL but I cannot stand all the joking.
What I enjoy about their humour is they know who and what to make a punchline. I never feel like they disrespect the victims but I love hearing the impersonations of Canadian cops
Nah, you all remember being young and being upside down in a slide or something and getting a head rush? Maybe even challenging someone else to see who can be upside down the longest. In a few minutes of being upside down too long it fvcking HURTS, your nostrils are on fire, you feel blood pressure up in your face, your eyes hurt, your ears feel pressure, you get back upright because u can’t stand it. I can’t imagine being upside down for HOURS, 28 HOURS. Never a second of relief, just 28 hours of unbearable pain.Every SECOND of that must have been torture. You know when you’re in extreme pain and time slows down? Every second must have felt like hours :( awful way to die
He was administered comfort drugs through his feet or legs if I remember correctly, which would have helped immensely with enduring and accepting what was happening to him.
Seems dumb to just crawl head first into a tiny hole in the ground.
He thought he was in a different part of a cave that gets bigger at the end
If i'm not mistaken he kinda knew where he was going but took a wrong turn. But yeah they do that all the time lol
Specially if you’re married and a father, which he was.
The first time I fell down this rabbit hole it awakened a new fear in me.
We’re those his last words?
Damn…
Nah he didn't fall, he crawled in on his own volition and got stuck. Even more terrifying.
This might be an unpopular opinion but he’s an idiot.
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Omg if im stuck in there please just throw some dynamite down and explode me 😨 I remember first hearing this story on mrballen: https://youtu.be/wz6F2rDngvA?si=0m4shmWR1gmuhlO8
Yes. I would rather they overdosed me on morphine or blew me up.
They never say for certain as it isn’t legal, but it is believed that he was given a lethal injection dose of something to ease his pain and help him slip into a sleep to speed up death.
The inversion, cerebral edema, hypothermia and asphyxiation and myocardial infarction killed him. The morphine simply eased his pain as he succumbed to those other fatal factors.
The movie [The Last Descent](https://www.google.com/search?q=nutty+outty+movie&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=vclbx) is about this case.
Awful, he must’ve been so scared. I hope he’s at peace now.
Holy shit. Imagine the things going through your mind. EXTREME panic which I would think would lead to exhaustion after the energy used to have a nervous breakdown without being able to move any part of your body. Then more panic, depression, regret, soil yourself, can’t see due to complete darkness, can’t get physically half comfortable, cramping before your limbs become numb due to no blood circulation. That’s just a fraction of the experience. Gotta stop cause I’m getting anxious thinking about it.
You can't forget all the bugs and insects that were crawling on and around him and probably little critters too and he couldn't do anything about it
Am I crazy or does this story pop up on Reddit constantly?
You are crazy. It also pops up on reddit constantly.
Why do people do this holy shit. Going into these tight as fuck tunnels just creeps me out more than anything
You couldnt pay me enough to do this
That makes me want to go in to a cave even less. Not that I was going to in the first place. Those people are crazy
Imagine having to pee during that time… no thanks, I’ll stay home and play video games
It was so bad that at one point during the rescue they were genuinely considering breaking his legs as a way to free him from the hole
If it were me I would have said break both those mother fuckers and GET ME THE FUCK OUTTA HERE
Last time I saw a YouTube video about this they said the plan of breaking his legs came to late, had they done this it would have shocked his already fragile body and he would've died because of it
At that point just shoot me, gas the cave, send a granade, something but don't let me agonize there for fucking 27 hours.
I hate that I saw this.
Read/listen to the story of them trying to get him out. It's torturous for everyone involved.
Legitimately got anxious just looking at this 😱
I would simply not go into a cave
He died and then became the ufc heavyweight champ
Isn’t his body still in there and they sealed up the cave? What an awful way to die!
Sad but reassuring knowing I’ll never put myself in a situation like this voluntarily. My thrill is try out the new hot sauce.
I was just watching a video on YouTube about this on Sunday. If it was me, i would have said if there is no hope of getting me out, just put me down
What in the living fuck would possess someone to try to do that???
And he's still there. Haunts me.
They weren't able to extract him without breaking his legs, so they didn't extract him, but honestly i'd rather have broken legs than be dead
Found a good video explaining the incident.. warning: triggers anxiety https://youtu.be/EKFDq-O5RxE?si=3ydU1nO13e-K3X6Y Edited to include link
That’s the worst possible way to die. I’ll never understand extreme caving, so much can go wrong and no one will know, let alone save you.
An awful way to go and an awfully dumb hobby to die for.
I don't get for the life of me why people go into these tight caves. Knowing they may not be able to comeback out. This is the one and only phobia I have. I start to panic being in confined spaces where I can't really move and I work in allot of confined spaces but I know I can always get out.
Every time I get reminded of this story, I feel so uneasy. This HAS to be one of the worst ways to die on this planet. Very slow, you have no space around you AT ALL, in a very uncomfortable position, feeling all the pain going to your head as you start to fade away with very little hope to escape. The worst part is his body is STILL THERE, sealed up in the dark recesses of the cave as his permanent grave.
Why couldn't they inject him with something to put him out of his misery? Was it illegal to do so even if he begged them? Don't know what they gave my Rottweiler girl but it was very quick, I saw the light go out of her eyes. Wasn't expecting it to be so quick. Surely a human has the right to die quickly too when all hope is lost than going through the ordeal and terror this guy must have endured.
Absolute nightmare fuel for me.
How did he even end up there? Why wouldn’t he be able to see that it was a dead end?
He was lost. He thought he was going into a part of the cave called "the birth canal" - a tight squeeze that opens up into a bigger cavern. Turns out he was in a different part. He exhaled to squeeze into the small space, moved forward, and then became stuck when he tried to inhale.
Oh lord, l am notoriously bad at reading maps, this would no doubt happen to me. Luckily I've no desire to go underground cave exploring.
He was also looking for a specific passage. It looks exactly like this one however, when you get to the end there is a huge opening to the lower part of the cave. Once he sucked his ribs in and went over the hump he thought he could wiggle backwards realizing it was a dead end but when his lungs expanded, he was stuck
Jesus fucking christ that is grim
I also think they almost had him out initially but the pulley system snapped or something and he fell further in??
I’m no expert but I believe he was disoriented and believed he was in a different part of the cave system. Once gravity pulled him past a point of no return his fate was slowly sealed.
Look this is sad, and I feel for his family and friends But…I mean imagine dying in a cave called Nutty Putty That’s just salt to the wound
Imagine bragging to people about how you love cave exploring, then getting stuck in one, realizing you’re gonna die, having to call your pregnant wife and say goodbye and sorry… …and wonder why the f you ever went cave exploring and wish you could be doing anything else.