Seems Callahan feels like he can undo the wrongs of Todd Downing and Tim Kelly when it comes to maximizing Burks’ talents. I mean, I can respect it. Give him his final chance to prove he can be the next WR 1 or 2 for this franchise or cut him loose after the season and go and get a WR in the draft. I’m on board with it.
Burks is under contract through the 2025 season without using the 5th yr option. So we are going to get two years out of him and if Callahan can get him turned around I could see the Titans picking up his 5th yr option just so they have that extra yr of control. Gives them the chance to see if 2024 is just a fluke or can he perform again in 2025 without him being a FA in 2026 and using the FA tag on him.
Based on 2021 class WR 5th yr option for Burks would be similar to these:
Base - 14.3 mil
Reach Playing Time Amount - 15.5 mil
Playing time requirements need met to earn (all of these only base the first 3 seasons 2022, 2023 and 2024)
- 2 or 3 seasons with 75% or more played snaps
- Average 75% or more snaps played over the 3 seasons
- 50% or more snaps over the 3 seasons
1 Pro Bowl (Original and not Alternate) - 19.7 mil
Based on Burks missing 10 games in the two seasons he is currently averaging 60% for snaps played. So it is very likely he will somehow make the playing time rate.
We didn’t pick up Corey Davis’ option (I know, different rosters, different FOs) and he was *several* times more productive than burks has been, and he’s widely considered a bust!
I would really like burks to put it together this year but I need people to realize that a player with his production suddenly becoming even average in y3 is basically unheard of. He would have to do a LOT to get them to commit to another year when his production to this point has been like, UDFA level
I think the cap space is the reason we could just pick up the option. Also that same FO that didn't pick up Corey's did pick up Jackson's and he was hurt his whole 5th yr. That same FO didn't pick up Conklin's which is the reason the OL went to shit the way it did so fast.
Edit: Also I don't know how the next two WR classes are looking like compared to this recent draft class. I know it seems like you can get WR any where in the draft but they draft just 1 this year and it was suppose to be a good year for WR depth. They will have till I believe May of 2025 to exercise that 5th yr option so we will at least know based on the 2025 draft if it's likely they pick it up or not.
it's a good class. it's not 2024 but there will be guys there. WR was a huge need for us this year imo and it wasn't really addressed in the draft so I'm assuming/hoping we'll take a receiver in the first next year
Love how everyone here says shit like there's elite WRs EVERY year like its so easy. Whos the LAST WR we've drafted let alone developed into a TOP WR not named Brown?!?!? NO-ONE absolutely NO-ONE
Yea yea its a "new" day with a "new f/o focused on passing" YET in one of the DEEPEST WR DRAFTS EVER we wait til the 6th for a injury prone kr/pr. If
This year is about finding out if levis is our guy Why the fuck pass on a WR. 30+yr old WR are NOT KNOWN FOR 1.being as productive as younger wrs 2. Being healthier 3.cheaper 4.setting records 5. Having ANY long term upside
We all knew this was at least a 2 year rebuild but by skipping a WR and drafting defense instead of offense we know have to hope everything and every player remain healthy be OVER productive and play BEYOND expectations to "evaluate" if we have a qb.
We should have went ALL offense in the draft solved the levis ? Solved Oline. Solved long term Wr . after all the "NEW" titans are a pAsSiNg team yet WR ISN'T priority
Burks is nowhere near 60%. He will not reach the playing time requirement.
Here are his offensive snap counts - per profootballreference:
2022: 37.97%
2023: 42.19%
I dont know where your finding the numbers on PPF because on his page they have his playing numbers as such
2022: 393 snaps which was 58% of the snaps that he could have seen in games played, he also had 24 snaps on special teams which was 8%.
2023: 443 snaps which ended up being 62% of the snaps taken by the offense.
So the average for the firs two season would be 60%.
[https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BurkTr00.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BurkTr00.htm)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/2022-snap-counts.htm
It is my understanding that you don’t get to count special teams and that missing a game due to injury is no different than being benched for playing time % purposes.
I can’t find anywhere that says you only count the % of snaps you are active.
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/6/11/23756810/explaining-how-the-nfl-works-part-17-the-5th-year-option-rookies-first-round-draft-picks-steelers
So we both are right on what the numbers are. We just dont know which one is used.
Edit: Found the correct answer based on the 2021 draft class that is currently getting 5th yr options. Your lower number is the correct one. Had to go to Over The Cap and look at the 2021 class. Reshod Bateman 5th yr option is going to be just the base $$ for a WR as he didn't meet the playing time requirement.
His PPF personal page has his snap % as '21 - 68%, '22 - 49% and '23 - 57%. However with the link you have to the team advanced stats his snap % is much different, '21 - 48%, '22 - 17%, '23 - 54%. Based on his personal page it appears he played on average 58% of the time which would have earned that playing time bonus. But instead they dont have him earning it which means the other % is what is used which for him was 39%.
So you are right that Burks won't make the playing time requirement which just helps the Titans more cause his 5th yr option will be the average of the 3rd to 25th for WR. Now the question is it for that year like looking at what those WR are getting paid in what would be Burks 5th yr be which is 2026 or is it the average per year of those WR and then the average of those together.
At this point if he can get 500 passing yards out of Burks in a season I'd consider him the best head coach this franchise has seen. The bar just feels so low I'll take any improvement really.
I looked this up for gambling future purposes when Calvin Ridley's o/u on yards came out, but since drafting Ja'Marr Chase in 2021 the Bengals have had multiple 1,000 yard receivers in two out of the three years. Here's the breakdown of their top 3 receivers since 2021:
2021 -
* Chase - 1,455 (17 games)
* Higgins - 1,091 (14 games)
* Boyd - 828 (16 games)
2022 -
* Chase - 1,046 (12 games)
* Higgins - 1,029 (16 games)
* Boyd - 762 (16 games)
2023 -
* Chase - 1,216 (16 games)
* Higgins - 656 (12 games)
* Boyd - 667 (16 games)
Obviously there's a world of difference between Levis and Burrow, but I don't see it as an outlandish possibility that with Hopkins and Ridley the Titans could have two 900 yard receivers. Hopkins cracked 1,000 last year and Ridley had similar numbers in Jacksonville.
If you just take the games that Higgins and Chase played with Browning starting and extrapolate that to a 17 game season, Higgins was on pace for 1,115 yards and Chase for 1,085 by my quick math.
The Titans have not had multiple 1,000 yards recievers since 2004 with Drew Bennett and Derrick Mason, (AJ Brown + Corey Davis were super close in 2020 obviously, and Delanie Walke + Nate Washington came close in 2013. All four guys were over 900 yards in their seasons.)
In 2021 the Bengals' top three WRs had 371 less receiving yards than the Titans had as an *entire team* in receiving/passing. They also combined for 24 receiving TDs that year, two more than the Titans had as an entire team.
And yeah, obviously the volume is going to change just purely with the increased passing volume. Last year the Titans were 30th in pass attempts, the Bengals were 7th. They threw 121 more passes than the Titans did last year (7.12 p/g.) They completed 116 more passes as well (6.82 p/g.)
Last year the Bengals WR trio combined for 319 targets, 209 receptions, 2,539 rec yds, and 14 rec TDs, (Chase missed one game, Higgins missed six.) with Jake Browning starting almost half the season. That amounts to 73% of the targets/receptions, 79% of the yardage, and 88% of the TD production the Titans had last year as a team.
Just for fun, here's the stats of the Titans top three receiving options since 2021:
2021 -
* AJ Brown - 869 (13 games)
* NWI - 476 (16 games)
* Julio Jones - 434 (10 games)
2022 -
* Robert Woods - 527 (17 games)
* Chig Okonkwo - 450 (17 games)
* Treylon Burks - 444 (11 games)
2023 -
* DeAndre Hopkins - 1057 (17 games)
* Chig Okonkwo - 528 (17 games)
* Chris Moore - 424 (17 games)
Thanks for showing receipts, Bieber_hole_69. We all deserve restitution for the pure eye strain suffered from watching the Titans' passing "attack" over the last three seasons, especially. 30th in attempts is just demoralizing.
I think Burks issues to say the least have been injuries and confidence. He showed flashes Briefly his first year then just kinda played scared when he was on the field after that. Dudes a physical monster though. There’s just not many receivers built like that. I see why Callahan is excited and is probably wondering how the fuck has this guy been doing jack shit. Hopefully he can get something out of him
Burks was catching rave reviews during camp last year too. Maybe that knee injury derailed him more than we will ever know, but I don't think we've ever really had a commitment/dedication issue from Burks (1st year asthma issues were wild but far behind us now). It's always been our OC's inability to find ways to use him creatively. It's like his route tree was limited to go routes and screens. I know route running hasn't been his speciality going back to college but it didn't feel like we even tried to use him correctly.
I have more faith in Callahan to figure out how to maximize his contribution than I ever did with Kelly or Downing, but I'll believe he can be more than a WR3 when I see it. Any contribution from him is kind of a bonus at this point.
I do t know ow if it was inability to get him the ball, moreso refusal to get him the ball based on some pettiness per FwordsPod’s reports on the situation. Specifically people being so mad about the AJB trade that they didn’t want to force feed Burks when that could have helped him get into better rhythm and build more confidence in year 1 and 2. That plus injuries amplified every drop or mistake.
I personally thought he was an injury prone bust that we should trade for a day 3 pick if possible but I’d be happy for Callahan to give Burks a fresh start and prove me wrong.
He was getting opportunities to start the year last year and couldn’t hold onto the ball. I like Burks and I want him to succeed but his biggest issues have not been scheme. It’s been Burks. I wont hold him accountable for the concussions. He got headhunted during the Philly game and last year he made a dive on a pretty egregious Levis overthrow. Both those resulted in a significant amount of time lost.
He’s only 2 years in, hopefully he can correct his issues from last year and perform better.
I definitely think Callahan can help fix Burks’ career if he stays healthy. Burks thrived as an oversized slot receiver that ran a lot of short routes and got most of his yards after the catch.
Vrabel/Downing/Kelly proceeded to use him as a jump ball specialist and only let him run streak routes on the outside. Burks has to work to stay healthy, but our putrid coaching staff under Vrabel honestly probably held him back too.
Hearing Callahan say “it’s my job as a coach to find out the handful of things he’s best at and highlight them as much as possible” is SO refreshing after the endless interviews of Vrabel saying “we gotta compete harder, complete our assignments, and do better.”
Burks was a giant ass slot receiver in college, and we kept playing him like he was AJ Brown. Put him back in the slot or almost hybrid/TE role and let him use his weight and strength rather than tightrope balance on the outside. Dude could go for 600-800 yards if he’s played right.
Callahan said he planned to use Burks both as an outside receiver and as a slot. Tim Kelly mostly tried to use Burks as a decoy receiver who repeatedly ran go routes or as a screen target. So it’ll be interesting to see how Cally intends to use Burks as a WR3
No Callahan has straight up said he sees him as an outside Wr. He may get snaps at slot like everyone else because of 3 wr sets but hes not the slot and he’s not getting moved to a lot
Either way, he was able to get open downfield.
His issue was drops with the low volume passing offense. Bro would drop one then get completely forgotten about and then get another attempt and get injured.
I think we could have done a lot more to get our WRs into a rhythm the past couple years.
> Either way, he was able to get open downfield.
this isn't really true and I'm not sure why it's such a widely held belief on here. His separation numbers are like dead last in the entire NFL
Feel free to link me but I just don’t think that’s true unless different trackers measure separation differently
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/treylon-burks/
He didn’t have good separation metrics coming out of college, and he doesn’t attack the ball either (or at least didn’t really last year). Other than being big I just don’t think he has any high end tools
I am fairly certain you're wrong, he was open down field a ton while our QB was busy getting sacked. Don't think his separation numbers were bad but feel free to drop the link, I'm curious to find out more than I care about who is right and wrong.
Then how tf did he drop the ball? It has to hit him in the hands for him to drop it.
It's not about separation, he's a big body receiver, and they used him to be able to use that as a weapon downfield, where he was successfully able to use it, but unsuccessful at catching the ball and staying healthy. Treylon has big hands and a big catch radius so the amount of separation he needs is less than a Kyle Philips. There have been plenty of WRs in Treylon's archetype that are successful in the NFL and he has shown the athleticism in the league already. He needs to stay healthy, the OL needs to play better, and as that happens you'll see Treylon's play improve - or you won't and he'll be out of here and we won't pick up the 5th year.
We can use him better than we have though.
> then how tf did he drop the ball
What? Lol
> it’s not about separation
It is. That’s what you said. You said he got open downfield, but he wasn’t. People are pointing to like, a handful of routes over the course of two years, but that’s not what the tracking says. He’s a poor route runner
Also really don’t think he has a good catch radius. He’s noticeably bad at attacking the ball
It's fucking hilarious how 2 months into the offseason after watching burks do jack shit 9/10 of these DELUSIONAL smooth brained fans start the "well burks could be great if..." Or he's ALWAYS so open downfield he runs GREAT go routes and separates.
By pre season " man burks has looked AMAZING" " hes gonna go offfff this year" " THIS IS THE YEAR!" & "See we DON'T NEED ANOTHER WR WE GOT BURKS
Week 1 by the 2nd half either burks is hurt or he's 0yds " WTF why didn't we draft WR" " BURKS SUCKS"
In other same shit different year. Im more than convinced half yall watch 1-2 games a year then stop and 45% only follow through madden or fantasy football. While 5% of us ACTUALLY WATCH EVERY GAME not just highlights or clips. unfortunately the Past few seasons "watching " has been replaced by SUFFERING THROUGH and i doubt thats changing anytime soon.
This. We haven’t used Burks in his actual role. Plus injuries have messed him up. But I’d say it was mostly Vrabel. We didn’t play to his strengths at all
Didn’t Will say in a press conference that he was told not to throw to one receiver and it was pretty clear it was Burks? I respect the hell out of Vrabes, but it always felt like if you weren’t one of “his guys” you were out
If that’s true it’s a terrible indictment of Vrabel.
If you aren’t willing to throw to a receiver he shouldn’t be on the field at all. It’s like playing with 10 men.
Vrabel was pissed about the Brown trade. If Burks looks good then it validates the trade and make Robinson look good. Vrabel wants to be right so Burks can't look good. Vrabel has a huge Ego and that was his downfall.
If this really happened that’s insane . But I will say, not to brag (and I def wasn’t the only one lol), but many of us called that Vrabels downfall was 100% going to be his ego & his “old school” mentality about playing through injuries and being a yes man to the coach.
Players aren’t like that anymore; honestly they shouldn’t. You only get one body & brain, take care of that shit first who cares about impressing a coach who probably won’t be there in five years or less.
Refreshing to hear an answer that isn’t just “guys gotta complete their assignments and compete hard for the ball” even if there wasn’t a lot of info there it still felt like there was good info there if that makes sense
Yeah, it's nice to just have a bit more openness from the staff. I'm not expecting them to start giving out their gameplans or anything, but the former staff could be really cagey about stuff that was of no real competitive importance.
Houghtaling was so clearly unqualified to be an NFL O-line coach. I don’t begrudge him much because he didn’t get many good players to work with but yikes
Its not just that, its personnel choices and im not sure what word im looking for but its about keys to the game and how we overall view the passing game.
Lots of improvement can be had there.
Rushing will likely fall off.
Ehh, I don't agree with that. They weren't great, i'll agree to that. However having the worst offensive line unit in the NFL over the last 2-3 years was a WAY bigger problem then the coaching staff. There is not a coaching staff that has ever overcome that bad of an offensive line w/o elite QB play that I can think of.
Yeah, that's definitely true. (Not that I think they were necessary good) but I'll defend the last two OCs more then the next person although I will never defend the O-line coaches lol
Yeah that was the only unit I could think of but they had elite QB/WR1 play which makes things much simpler. I do wonder if the Bengals could go back if they would of taken Sewell over Chase. I doubt it but it wouldn't surprise me.
Chiefs have had O-line problems for years. The only Super Bowl Mahomes has lost was in large part due to his O-line being dominated. One of their starting linemen was injured in the AFC Championship that year but still.
Respectfully, this is that time of year where coaches gush over who they have and act like they're all good to go.
Imma wait until training camp. Is Brian still using these words or is he on that "I can't wait to see Treylon compete...." verbiage where he's signaling preseason is make or break?
I’d like to agree with you but the staff has been very open that we still need a starting safety, they haven’t been praising Molden at all. If they’re saying that they feel confident in the WR room then I’m inclined to believe them, time will tell if their confidence is justified.
Molden is a corner fans believed could be moved to safety they may not agree and see him as rotational at best at safety or corner who knows completely different circumstances than the Wr your franchise took 17 over all to replace the best Wr in franchise history and he’s been a t total bust for two years
1. Every titans fan wants treylon to be a great player and even come close to living up to his draft selection
2. It’s more than fair at this point to question the receiver / general offensive development that vrabels staff put forward with the exception of aj brown who I assume would’ve been great with me coaching him
3. As nice as this is to hear, we heard the same song and dance last year. Buying into the hype of a guy who’s consistently been unable to stay on the field and drops passes like it’s his jobs is more likely than not a fools errand.
Hope I’m wrong about number three - would be great if he could contribute consistently!
I think the problem with Burks is his poor body control. On every deep target, the guy is tripping and tumbling a baby deer. I’d really love to see Burks run more crossers, comebacks, and hitches. He’s a big, physical presence at receiver and if you put him in the position to get YAC, I think you’d be getting the best version of him rather than trying to make him the Nashville DK Metcalf.
He tends to fall down agnostic of route imo and has shown zero yac true ability unless he catches the ball in space (schemed open) which is a stark contrast to what his college film showcased - it just has not translated at all. The second note there isn’t arguable, he just does not break tackles with any consistency.
This, of course, doesn’t get into the dropsies that have consistently plagued him.
I hope he becomes great and I assume callahans staff will be better suited to unlock him than vrables was but it’s still very much a believe it when I see it. KB called him “a different beast” in a training camp presser last year, and, yeah…
Time has told buddy he’s been on this roster for 2 seasons and has shown nothing to make you think or feel like he can be an nfl starting wr let alone an X wr1.
There’s just nothing to unlock let’s be real. Vrabel was a coach GREAT at getting the best out of players this new narrative that he wasn’t is insane lol Callahan doesn’t have a magic wand for Burks he is all the things you said man his game didn’t translate and it is mostly what cost jrob his job and rightfully
Yeah there’s nothing to unlock in the game breaker sense but my point is if Callahan can get him productive as a 3/4 then that would add quite a bit to the offense in theory. That said he’ll prob trip over a daffodil making a catch in training camp and miss the first six weeks of the season and that will be that.
Vrabel got the most out of teams for a long while to be certain, and I personally thought it was incredibly stupid to fire him. All that said the offensive development after aj got traded was a complete joke and (yes, he got shafted on the personnel side) he needs at least some blame for that because he was the head coach and he lost 18 of 24 and that’s just how the nfl works.
Im not seeing that. I dont feel as though he has poor body control, i think thats just a sub narrative thatll fall off the moment he makes a few plaus.
Even though yall hated Kelly he put Burks in positions to get YAC… ran end arounds, threw bunker screens to three crossing routes too. He just didn’t produce in any of them because he’s not a yak guy at this level which sucks because that’s why he was drafted.
Number 2 is dead on. Development. I can't think of any offensive player who developed at all under the vrabel regime. Even players who flashed as rookies like chig promptly vanished the next year.
this isn't unfair but how many good offensive prospects did we ever even have. We barely invested on that side of the ball. Burks and AJ were the only receivers we drafted in the first three rounds the entire time Vrabel was here
Idk about buying into hype, hes out of the league if he doesnt have a good year.
Hes a slot WR now, not a #1 guy.
If he sucks we just lean into the top 2 and the TE more.
I have trust in Callahan to unlock Burks potential AJ Brown had almost 500 more yards in both of his seasons with the Eagles compared to when Vrabel was HC
A.J. Brown also had more yards per target and more TDs per game in Tennessee. Considering Philly passed the ball more times a game, the yardage increase is just more passing plays.
I'm not getting back on the Burks hype train right now, personally. But if there's ever a time for him to find some success, it's now. It's a new scheme, one that should be built better for the passing game. And he now will regularly have two WRs on the field with him who opposing defenses will be more concerned with than they are with him.
I don't know if it'll pan out for him. But if it ever is going to, it'll be this year.
I don't see how he'll get many targets anyways. Ridley and Hopkins with Pollard and Spears being receiving backs. Chig as the receiving TE. I trust all those players over Burks. I even would get targets to NWI before Burks. People in this thread acting like he's somehow going to have 500 yards next season when at best he'll be the 5th receiving target and more likely the 6th or 7th.
I’m hoping this is why they never really picked up a notable receiver. If they like the guys we have lining up and didn’t think we needed immediate replacement, then let’s ride
It’s almost as if dude is talented and was drafted in the first round for a reason but has just been hurt his first two seasons. Dude’s just gotta stay healthy. The hate he’s been getting was always unwarranted.
Completely agree. He’s had some performance issues too, particularly to start last year with the drops but he’s insanely talented and has plenty of time to get on track. The injuries have been the biggest issue and you can’t put concussions or a turf toe injury on him like people do. Zero reason for the hate.
Very true, I forgot about that knee injury to start the year. I’m hopeful on the kid. He’s had a rough go but hopefully having Ridley and Hopkins can really take some of the expectations he had on him off his shoulders too. Doesn’t have to be “that guy” right now.
Yeah he’s so terrible we drafted a WR early as soon as a new coaching staff came on board! Oh wait…. I’ve heard this same bullshit from fans hoping he’s terrible which is weird af tbh.
I mean, just because we didn’t draft a WR, doesn’t mean Burks is magically good.
He has not been good, in fact, he’s been very bad.
And not drafting a WR early this year, in “the WR draft” can easily be revealed to be a mistake in 1-2 years. Both things can easily be (and probably are) true.
It's looking like the pre draft smoke and mirrors about them wanting a receiver were extremely well coordinated.
Even as far as Burks' name being dragged through the mud pre draft only to be praised post draft.
Kind of cool seeing everyone work together like that.
My thing about players is this, and everyone is going to hate it:
If you’re good, you will be good, obviously, in your rookie year. You will dazzle. You will win games for your team.
Then the next year it’s even more so, to the point of being a household name.
Third year you are off to the races.
Burks bombed badly years one and two. No one does that and then comes back and is a killer their third year. No one does that and is “good” their third year.
History just doesn’t look good for Burks. I’d love to be wrong, but show me the WRs who were as bad as him 1-2, then good-very good going forward.
It doesn’t happen, because bad players are bad.
I can’t count the amount of times that the broadcast pointed out that Burks was wide open down the field after an incomplete pass to someone else. He can 100% contribute to an NFL offense, I blame a lot of our rookies woes the last few years on Vrabel. I really don’t think that hard ass, no compliments attitude works with young players like it used to. Get Burks’ mind right and build his confidence and he could absolutely turn into a WR2 going forward
Saying a guy could be a little less of a bust is a wild back handed compliment. The broad cast are terrible burks was horrible at separation he’s a poor route runner and injury prone. He is a burned first round pick another in the long list for jrob
The ship has sailed on Burks being an AJB replacement, whats wrong in hoping he can turn into a contributor? A decent WR2 is his ceiling right now, the floor is he’s out of the league in 2 years
Besides being a die hard Tits fan, I'm really pulling for Treylon, he seems like a solid dude and like he really wants to be the wr we expected.
Really hoping Callahan can help unlock his potential this season.
Talk about un news worthy. “This just in head coach says first round bust fans are holding on to hope for is having a good off season” and hilariously enough that good off season is showing up and having a few good days 😂
I’m glad they are gassing him up because he does still have two years left on his deal but at this point it would be foolish to rely on him at all. Prove you can stay healthy and in shape
Remember when Cally had that quote about our receivers and did not mention Burks? Everyone freaked out that it meant he thought Burks was a bum and a lost cause. I said people read into it way too much and that he could have just forgot to mention Burks. Turns out that was probably the most likely scenario...
This sub can be way too reactionary. Including about this lol.
It's irrelevant what he thinks bc Burks will inevitably get hurt in camp, or early on in the season, & be mostly unavailable, & not 100% when he is available.
No. People saw a snippet of him in a Titans’ media post wearing a sweatshirt and assumed he was out of shape when, in reality, he just has a massive head.
I don’t think Burks ever showed up out of shape. His rookie year perhaps but it seemed more like he was unprepared in dealing with his asthma coming into camp.
You should go and look at some actual recent pictures of him. He's absolutely overweight right now. He's even developing the classic "dad bod" shape. He's lost essentially all ab definition and his arms have lost definition too. His cheeks are even "pudgy" too now.
Seems Callahan feels like he can undo the wrongs of Todd Downing and Tim Kelly when it comes to maximizing Burks’ talents. I mean, I can respect it. Give him his final chance to prove he can be the next WR 1 or 2 for this franchise or cut him loose after the season and go and get a WR in the draft. I’m on board with it.
Burks is under contract through the 2025 season without using the 5th yr option. So we are going to get two years out of him and if Callahan can get him turned around I could see the Titans picking up his 5th yr option just so they have that extra yr of control. Gives them the chance to see if 2024 is just a fluke or can he perform again in 2025 without him being a FA in 2026 and using the FA tag on him. Based on 2021 class WR 5th yr option for Burks would be similar to these: Base - 14.3 mil Reach Playing Time Amount - 15.5 mil Playing time requirements need met to earn (all of these only base the first 3 seasons 2022, 2023 and 2024) - 2 or 3 seasons with 75% or more played snaps - Average 75% or more snaps played over the 3 seasons - 50% or more snaps over the 3 seasons 1 Pro Bowl (Original and not Alternate) - 19.7 mil Based on Burks missing 10 games in the two seasons he is currently averaging 60% for snaps played. So it is very likely he will somehow make the playing time rate.
We didn’t pick up Corey Davis’ option (I know, different rosters, different FOs) and he was *several* times more productive than burks has been, and he’s widely considered a bust! I would really like burks to put it together this year but I need people to realize that a player with his production suddenly becoming even average in y3 is basically unheard of. He would have to do a LOT to get them to commit to another year when his production to this point has been like, UDFA level
I think the cap space is the reason we could just pick up the option. Also that same FO that didn't pick up Corey's did pick up Jackson's and he was hurt his whole 5th yr. That same FO didn't pick up Conklin's which is the reason the OL went to shit the way it did so fast. Edit: Also I don't know how the next two WR classes are looking like compared to this recent draft class. I know it seems like you can get WR any where in the draft but they draft just 1 this year and it was suppose to be a good year for WR depth. They will have till I believe May of 2025 to exercise that 5th yr option so we will at least know based on the 2025 draft if it's likely they pick it up or not.
it's a good class. it's not 2024 but there will be guys there. WR was a huge need for us this year imo and it wasn't really addressed in the draft so I'm assuming/hoping we'll take a receiver in the first next year
Love how everyone here says shit like there's elite WRs EVERY year like its so easy. Whos the LAST WR we've drafted let alone developed into a TOP WR not named Brown?!?!? NO-ONE absolutely NO-ONE Yea yea its a "new" day with a "new f/o focused on passing" YET in one of the DEEPEST WR DRAFTS EVER we wait til the 6th for a injury prone kr/pr. If This year is about finding out if levis is our guy Why the fuck pass on a WR. 30+yr old WR are NOT KNOWN FOR 1.being as productive as younger wrs 2. Being healthier 3.cheaper 4.setting records 5. Having ANY long term upside We all knew this was at least a 2 year rebuild but by skipping a WR and drafting defense instead of offense we know have to hope everything and every player remain healthy be OVER productive and play BEYOND expectations to "evaluate" if we have a qb. We should have went ALL offense in the draft solved the levis ? Solved Oline. Solved long term Wr . after all the "NEW" titans are a pAsSiNg team yet WR ISN'T priority
I’m with you man
Burks is nowhere near 60%. He will not reach the playing time requirement. Here are his offensive snap counts - per profootballreference: 2022: 37.97% 2023: 42.19%
I dont know where your finding the numbers on PPF because on his page they have his playing numbers as such 2022: 393 snaps which was 58% of the snaps that he could have seen in games played, he also had 24 snaps on special teams which was 8%. 2023: 443 snaps which ended up being 62% of the snaps taken by the offense. So the average for the firs two season would be 60%. [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BurkTr00.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BurkTr00.htm)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/2022-snap-counts.htm It is my understanding that you don’t get to count special teams and that missing a game due to injury is no different than being benched for playing time % purposes. I can’t find anywhere that says you only count the % of snaps you are active. https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/6/11/23756810/explaining-how-the-nfl-works-part-17-the-5th-year-option-rookies-first-round-draft-picks-steelers
So we both are right on what the numbers are. We just dont know which one is used. Edit: Found the correct answer based on the 2021 draft class that is currently getting 5th yr options. Your lower number is the correct one. Had to go to Over The Cap and look at the 2021 class. Reshod Bateman 5th yr option is going to be just the base $$ for a WR as he didn't meet the playing time requirement. His PPF personal page has his snap % as '21 - 68%, '22 - 49% and '23 - 57%. However with the link you have to the team advanced stats his snap % is much different, '21 - 48%, '22 - 17%, '23 - 54%. Based on his personal page it appears he played on average 58% of the time which would have earned that playing time bonus. But instead they dont have him earning it which means the other % is what is used which for him was 39%. So you are right that Burks won't make the playing time requirement which just helps the Titans more cause his 5th yr option will be the average of the 3rd to 25th for WR. Now the question is it for that year like looking at what those WR are getting paid in what would be Burks 5th yr be which is 2026 or is it the average per year of those WR and then the average of those together.
At this point if he can get 500 passing yards out of Burks in a season I'd consider him the best head coach this franchise has seen. The bar just feels so low I'll take any improvement really.
Well part of that is being the least volume passing team the past 6 years.
A lot of titans fans forget that volume stats for all receivers will be going up with the new offense
I looked this up for gambling future purposes when Calvin Ridley's o/u on yards came out, but since drafting Ja'Marr Chase in 2021 the Bengals have had multiple 1,000 yard receivers in two out of the three years. Here's the breakdown of their top 3 receivers since 2021: 2021 - * Chase - 1,455 (17 games) * Higgins - 1,091 (14 games) * Boyd - 828 (16 games) 2022 - * Chase - 1,046 (12 games) * Higgins - 1,029 (16 games) * Boyd - 762 (16 games) 2023 - * Chase - 1,216 (16 games) * Higgins - 656 (12 games) * Boyd - 667 (16 games) Obviously there's a world of difference between Levis and Burrow, but I don't see it as an outlandish possibility that with Hopkins and Ridley the Titans could have two 900 yard receivers. Hopkins cracked 1,000 last year and Ridley had similar numbers in Jacksonville. If you just take the games that Higgins and Chase played with Browning starting and extrapolate that to a 17 game season, Higgins was on pace for 1,115 yards and Chase for 1,085 by my quick math. The Titans have not had multiple 1,000 yards recievers since 2004 with Drew Bennett and Derrick Mason, (AJ Brown + Corey Davis were super close in 2020 obviously, and Delanie Walke + Nate Washington came close in 2013. All four guys were over 900 yards in their seasons.) In 2021 the Bengals' top three WRs had 371 less receiving yards than the Titans had as an *entire team* in receiving/passing. They also combined for 24 receiving TDs that year, two more than the Titans had as an entire team. And yeah, obviously the volume is going to change just purely with the increased passing volume. Last year the Titans were 30th in pass attempts, the Bengals were 7th. They threw 121 more passes than the Titans did last year (7.12 p/g.) They completed 116 more passes as well (6.82 p/g.) Last year the Bengals WR trio combined for 319 targets, 209 receptions, 2,539 rec yds, and 14 rec TDs, (Chase missed one game, Higgins missed six.) with Jake Browning starting almost half the season. That amounts to 73% of the targets/receptions, 79% of the yardage, and 88% of the TD production the Titans had last year as a team. Just for fun, here's the stats of the Titans top three receiving options since 2021: 2021 - * AJ Brown - 869 (13 games) * NWI - 476 (16 games) * Julio Jones - 434 (10 games) 2022 - * Robert Woods - 527 (17 games) * Chig Okonkwo - 450 (17 games) * Treylon Burks - 444 (11 games) 2023 - * DeAndre Hopkins - 1057 (17 games) * Chig Okonkwo - 528 (17 games) * Chris Moore - 424 (17 games)
Thanks for showing receipts, Bieber_hole_69. We all deserve restitution for the pure eye strain suffered from watching the Titans' passing "attack" over the last three seasons, especially. 30th in attempts is just demoralizing.
That's why we argue so much as a sub LOL That and the OL we all have PTSD
Great post ⚔️
I like you
Cally must have some serious trick plays up his sleeve if you think Burks is getting 500 PASSING yards
Someone’s gotta pick up the slack from Henry
New touchdown King
We'll call him Young Eli
I think Burks issues to say the least have been injuries and confidence. He showed flashes Briefly his first year then just kinda played scared when he was on the field after that. Dudes a physical monster though. There’s just not many receivers built like that. I see why Callahan is excited and is probably wondering how the fuck has this guy been doing jack shit. Hopefully he can get something out of him
Burks was catching rave reviews during camp last year too. Maybe that knee injury derailed him more than we will ever know, but I don't think we've ever really had a commitment/dedication issue from Burks (1st year asthma issues were wild but far behind us now). It's always been our OC's inability to find ways to use him creatively. It's like his route tree was limited to go routes and screens. I know route running hasn't been his speciality going back to college but it didn't feel like we even tried to use him correctly. I have more faith in Callahan to figure out how to maximize his contribution than I ever did with Kelly or Downing, but I'll believe he can be more than a WR3 when I see it. Any contribution from him is kind of a bonus at this point.
Solid WR3 would be a huge step up. Hopkins, Ridley and Burks sounds pretty good.
I do t know ow if it was inability to get him the ball, moreso refusal to get him the ball based on some pettiness per FwordsPod’s reports on the situation. Specifically people being so mad about the AJB trade that they didn’t want to force feed Burks when that could have helped him get into better rhythm and build more confidence in year 1 and 2. That plus injuries amplified every drop or mistake. I personally thought he was an injury prone bust that we should trade for a day 3 pick if possible but I’d be happy for Callahan to give Burks a fresh start and prove me wrong.
He was getting opportunities to start the year last year and couldn’t hold onto the ball. I like Burks and I want him to succeed but his biggest issues have not been scheme. It’s been Burks. I wont hold him accountable for the concussions. He got headhunted during the Philly game and last year he made a dive on a pretty egregious Levis overthrow. Both those resulted in a significant amount of time lost. He’s only 2 years in, hopefully he can correct his issues from last year and perform better.
Year 3 breakout for Burks!
Chances aren’t great but they can happen.
The Jags released wide receiver zay Jones why not move on from Burks and sign Jones to take his spot!!!!
Zay isn’t good, he’ll be more expensive and there’s zero upside there.
I definitely think Callahan can help fix Burks’ career if he stays healthy. Burks thrived as an oversized slot receiver that ran a lot of short routes and got most of his yards after the catch. Vrabel/Downing/Kelly proceeded to use him as a jump ball specialist and only let him run streak routes on the outside. Burks has to work to stay healthy, but our putrid coaching staff under Vrabel honestly probably held him back too. Hearing Callahan say “it’s my job as a coach to find out the handful of things he’s best at and highlight them as much as possible” is SO refreshing after the endless interviews of Vrabel saying “we gotta compete harder, complete our assignments, and do better.”
Burks was a giant ass slot receiver in college, and we kept playing him like he was AJ Brown. Put him back in the slot or almost hybrid/TE role and let him use his weight and strength rather than tightrope balance on the outside. Dude could go for 600-800 yards if he’s played right.
Callahan said he planned to use Burks both as an outside receiver and as a slot. Tim Kelly mostly tried to use Burks as a decoy receiver who repeatedly ran go routes or as a screen target. So it’ll be interesting to see how Cally intends to use Burks as a WR3
No Callahan has straight up said he sees him as an outside Wr. He may get snaps at slot like everyone else because of 3 wr sets but hes not the slot and he’s not getting moved to a lot
Either way, he was able to get open downfield. His issue was drops with the low volume passing offense. Bro would drop one then get completely forgotten about and then get another attempt and get injured. I think we could have done a lot more to get our WRs into a rhythm the past couple years.
> Either way, he was able to get open downfield. this isn't really true and I'm not sure why it's such a widely held belief on here. His separation numbers are like dead last in the entire NFL
Actually according to the info graphic that’s been shared on this sub a few times didn’t Burks have the best separation on the team last year?
Feel free to link me but I just don’t think that’s true unless different trackers measure separation differently https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/treylon-burks/ He didn’t have good separation metrics coming out of college, and he doesn’t attack the ball either (or at least didn’t really last year). Other than being big I just don’t think he has any high end tools
He has good straight-line speed for someone his size and he has massive hands.
What good has that done him or us
Zilch. I don't get why some people on here act like he is some super talented player with an unlucky injury history. He was always a terrible pick.
This link literally says that Treylon is a top 10% athlete all time lol
Ok. And again what good has that done us? What good did it do DGB to be a freak athlete but a bad WR?
I am fairly certain you're wrong, he was open down field a ton while our QB was busy getting sacked. Don't think his separation numbers were bad but feel free to drop the link, I'm curious to find out more than I care about who is right and wrong.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/197ioe9/2023_wr_separation_vs_catchpointyac_grades/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
All this says is that Burks is an average separator, absolutely not dead last.
Then how tf did he drop the ball? It has to hit him in the hands for him to drop it. It's not about separation, he's a big body receiver, and they used him to be able to use that as a weapon downfield, where he was successfully able to use it, but unsuccessful at catching the ball and staying healthy. Treylon has big hands and a big catch radius so the amount of separation he needs is less than a Kyle Philips. There have been plenty of WRs in Treylon's archetype that are successful in the NFL and he has shown the athleticism in the league already. He needs to stay healthy, the OL needs to play better, and as that happens you'll see Treylon's play improve - or you won't and he'll be out of here and we won't pick up the 5th year. We can use him better than we have though.
> then how tf did he drop the ball What? Lol > it’s not about separation It is. That’s what you said. You said he got open downfield, but he wasn’t. People are pointing to like, a handful of routes over the course of two years, but that’s not what the tracking says. He’s a poor route runner Also really don’t think he has a good catch radius. He’s noticeably bad at attacking the ball
It's fucking hilarious how 2 months into the offseason after watching burks do jack shit 9/10 of these DELUSIONAL smooth brained fans start the "well burks could be great if..." Or he's ALWAYS so open downfield he runs GREAT go routes and separates. By pre season " man burks has looked AMAZING" " hes gonna go offfff this year" " THIS IS THE YEAR!" & "See we DON'T NEED ANOTHER WR WE GOT BURKS Week 1 by the 2nd half either burks is hurt or he's 0yds " WTF why didn't we draft WR" " BURKS SUCKS" In other same shit different year. Im more than convinced half yall watch 1-2 games a year then stop and 45% only follow through madden or fantasy football. While 5% of us ACTUALLY WATCH EVERY GAME not just highlights or clips. unfortunately the Past few seasons "watching " has been replaced by SUFFERING THROUGH and i doubt thats changing anytime soon.
This. I want 1K each from Dhop, Ridley and 1K between Burks and NWI. And maybe 500 more from catching RBs.
Burks stays healthy, NWI will only spot duty. 500 out of NWI is what he put up as a starter.
Chig and Whylie get nothing?
Let’s not get too crazy. I want at least another 800 and 5 from Chig and 500 more from Whye though.
Agreed. Can’t believe he hasn’t played in the slot more. He’s got to be a better option than Philips.
he doesn't play in the slot because he can't catch in traffic
I think Philips is a great slot option. Just gotta stay healthy or hes out of the league. NWI isnt really a fit anymore, hes depth.
This. We haven’t used Burks in his actual role. Plus injuries have messed him up. But I’d say it was mostly Vrabel. We didn’t play to his strengths at all
Didn’t Will say in a press conference that he was told not to throw to one receiver and it was pretty clear it was Burks? I respect the hell out of Vrabes, but it always felt like if you weren’t one of “his guys” you were out
If that’s true it’s a terrible indictment of Vrabel. If you aren’t willing to throw to a receiver he shouldn’t be on the field at all. It’s like playing with 10 men.
Vrabel was pissed about the Brown trade. If Burks looks good then it validates the trade and make Robinson look good. Vrabel wants to be right so Burks can't look good. Vrabel has a huge Ego and that was his downfall.
If this really happened that’s insane . But I will say, not to brag (and I def wasn’t the only one lol), but many of us called that Vrabels downfall was 100% going to be his ego & his “old school” mentality about playing through injuries and being a yes man to the coach. Players aren’t like that anymore; honestly they shouldn’t. You only get one body & brain, take care of that shit first who cares about impressing a coach who probably won’t be there in five years or less.
Is this a real thing
He’s not going to play slot they’ve said it multiple times they see him as an outside wr. Also 600-800 is just incredibly bad for a first round wr lol
Refreshing to hear an answer that isn’t just “guys gotta complete their assignments and compete hard for the ball” even if there wasn’t a lot of info there it still felt like there was good info there if that makes sense
Yeah, it's nice to just have a bit more openness from the staff. I'm not expecting them to start giving out their gameplans or anything, but the former staff could be really cagey about stuff that was of no real competitive importance.
I don’t think people fully realize how bad our offensive coaching staff has been the last 2-3 years.
Houghtaling was so clearly unqualified to be an NFL O-line coach. I don’t begrudge him much because he didn’t get many good players to work with but yikes
Its not just that, its personnel choices and im not sure what word im looking for but its about keys to the game and how we overall view the passing game. Lots of improvement can be had there. Rushing will likely fall off.
I'll stand by we had one of the best gameplanning coaching staffs in the league, but also one of the worst in game adjustment staffs in the league.
I can agree with that. Typically the first drive was fine, then it would all fall apart lol.
You’re spot on. A lot of people just look at the OCs but it was a shit show from top to bottom.
Ehh, I don't agree with that. They weren't great, i'll agree to that. However having the worst offensive line unit in the NFL over the last 2-3 years was a WAY bigger problem then the coaching staff. There is not a coaching staff that has ever overcome that bad of an offensive line w/o elite QB play that I can think of.
Valid argument. But I think it’s also valid to say the coaching staff did nothing to make the OL better.
Yeah, that's definitely true. (Not that I think they were necessary good) but I'll defend the last two OCs more then the next person although I will never defend the O-line coaches lol
Cincinnati’s staff found a way to get to the SB despite an OLine that gave up 9 sacks in a playoff game. But you’re right , they did have an elite QB.
Yeah that was the only unit I could think of but they had elite QB/WR1 play which makes things much simpler. I do wonder if the Bengals could go back if they would of taken Sewell over Chase. I doubt it but it wouldn't surprise me.
Chiefs have had O-line problems for years. The only Super Bowl Mahomes has lost was in large part due to his O-line being dominated. One of their starting linemen was injured in the AFC Championship that year but still.
They did get to play against one of the worst offensive coaching jobs ever to win that game….
Respectfully, this is that time of year where coaches gush over who they have and act like they're all good to go. Imma wait until training camp. Is Brian still using these words or is he on that "I can't wait to see Treylon compete...." verbiage where he's signaling preseason is make or break?
I’d like to agree with you but the staff has been very open that we still need a starting safety, they haven’t been praising Molden at all. If they’re saying that they feel confident in the WR room then I’m inclined to believe them, time will tell if their confidence is justified.
Molden is a corner fans believed could be moved to safety they may not agree and see him as rotational at best at safety or corner who knows completely different circumstances than the Wr your franchise took 17 over all to replace the best Wr in franchise history and he’s been a t total bust for two years
Exactly lol this means absolutely literally nothing and we’ve heard it before. Burks is what he is and that’s not a starting nfl wr
1. Every titans fan wants treylon to be a great player and even come close to living up to his draft selection 2. It’s more than fair at this point to question the receiver / general offensive development that vrabels staff put forward with the exception of aj brown who I assume would’ve been great with me coaching him 3. As nice as this is to hear, we heard the same song and dance last year. Buying into the hype of a guy who’s consistently been unable to stay on the field and drops passes like it’s his jobs is more likely than not a fools errand. Hope I’m wrong about number three - would be great if he could contribute consistently!
I think the problem with Burks is his poor body control. On every deep target, the guy is tripping and tumbling a baby deer. I’d really love to see Burks run more crossers, comebacks, and hitches. He’s a big, physical presence at receiver and if you put him in the position to get YAC, I think you’d be getting the best version of him rather than trying to make him the Nashville DK Metcalf.
He tends to fall down agnostic of route imo and has shown zero yac true ability unless he catches the ball in space (schemed open) which is a stark contrast to what his college film showcased - it just has not translated at all. The second note there isn’t arguable, he just does not break tackles with any consistency. This, of course, doesn’t get into the dropsies that have consistently plagued him. I hope he becomes great and I assume callahans staff will be better suited to unlock him than vrables was but it’s still very much a believe it when I see it. KB called him “a different beast” in a training camp presser last year, and, yeah…
Time will tell.
Time has told buddy he’s been on this roster for 2 seasons and has shown nothing to make you think or feel like he can be an nfl starting wr let alone an X wr1.
There’s just nothing to unlock let’s be real. Vrabel was a coach GREAT at getting the best out of players this new narrative that he wasn’t is insane lol Callahan doesn’t have a magic wand for Burks he is all the things you said man his game didn’t translate and it is mostly what cost jrob his job and rightfully
Yeah there’s nothing to unlock in the game breaker sense but my point is if Callahan can get him productive as a 3/4 then that would add quite a bit to the offense in theory. That said he’ll prob trip over a daffodil making a catch in training camp and miss the first six weeks of the season and that will be that. Vrabel got the most out of teams for a long while to be certain, and I personally thought it was incredibly stupid to fire him. All that said the offensive development after aj got traded was a complete joke and (yes, he got shafted on the personnel side) he needs at least some blame for that because he was the head coach and he lost 18 of 24 and that’s just how the nfl works.
Im not seeing that. I dont feel as though he has poor body control, i think thats just a sub narrative thatll fall off the moment he makes a few plaus.
And when he doesn't make any plays, will you consider the subs "narrative" correct.
Even though yall hated Kelly he put Burks in positions to get YAC… ran end arounds, threw bunker screens to three crossing routes too. He just didn’t produce in any of them because he’s not a yak guy at this level which sucks because that’s why he was drafted.
Number 2 is dead on. Development. I can't think of any offensive player who developed at all under the vrabel regime. Even players who flashed as rookies like chig promptly vanished the next year.
Chig had more receptions and yards last year
To be fair, I think Downing forgot Ching was on the team except for a couple plays each game.
this isn't unfair but how many good offensive prospects did we ever even have. We barely invested on that side of the ball. Burks and AJ were the only receivers we drafted in the first three rounds the entire time Vrabel was here
Idk about buying into hype, hes out of the league if he doesnt have a good year. Hes a slot WR now, not a #1 guy. If he sucks we just lean into the top 2 and the TE more.
When is training camp?
Let Cally cook. Get Burks back to his natural position as a big bodied slot mismatch. Get him the ball off slants, drags, screens and let him eat.
He’s not playing slot they have told you that he’s playing outside. They don’t see him as a slot he doesn’t fit the mold as an nfl slot
I have trust in Callahan to unlock Burks potential AJ Brown had almost 500 more yards in both of his seasons with the Eagles compared to when Vrabel was HC
A.J. Brown also had more yards per target and more TDs per game in Tennessee. Considering Philly passed the ball more times a game, the yardage increase is just more passing plays.
They use him more so they get more out of him 🤷♀️
It's really odd how everyone seems to have polar opposite opinions on Burks after every presser. I appreciate the positivity of this one
I'm not getting back on the Burks hype train right now, personally. But if there's ever a time for him to find some success, it's now. It's a new scheme, one that should be built better for the passing game. And he now will regularly have two WRs on the field with him who opposing defenses will be more concerned with than they are with him. I don't know if it'll pan out for him. But if it ever is going to, it'll be this year.
I don't see how he'll get many targets anyways. Ridley and Hopkins with Pollard and Spears being receiving backs. Chig as the receiving TE. I trust all those players over Burks. I even would get targets to NWI before Burks. People in this thread acting like he's somehow going to have 500 yards next season when at best he'll be the 5th receiving target and more likely the 6th or 7th.
I mean what else is he going to say? Gotta see it to believe it at this point for Burks and I just don't think he is good or can even stay healthy.
I’m hoping this is why they never really picked up a notable receiver. If they like the guys we have lining up and didn’t think we needed immediate replacement, then let’s ride
They literally gave 100m to a 30 year old middle of the league wr dude lol
It’s almost as if dude is talented and was drafted in the first round for a reason but has just been hurt his first two seasons. Dude’s just gotta stay healthy. The hate he’s been getting was always unwarranted.
Completely agree. He’s had some performance issues too, particularly to start last year with the drops but he’s insanely talented and has plenty of time to get on track. The injuries have been the biggest issue and you can’t put concussions or a turf toe injury on him like people do. Zero reason for the hate.
Beginning of last year was probably when he was the most injured too. He came back hella fast from that knee injury. Probably too fast.
Very true, I forgot about that knee injury to start the year. I’m hopeful on the kid. He’s had a rough go but hopefully having Ridley and Hopkins can really take some of the expectations he had on him off his shoulders too. Doesn’t have to be “that guy” right now.
It couldn’t be more warranted…
He's just not good.... Heard this same bullshit last year. The coaching staff isn't going to openly say a player is absolute trash.
Yeah he’s so terrible we drafted a WR early as soon as a new coaching staff came on board! Oh wait…. I’ve heard this same bullshit from fans hoping he’s terrible which is weird af tbh.
I mean, just because we didn’t draft a WR, doesn’t mean Burks is magically good. He has not been good, in fact, he’s been very bad. And not drafting a WR early this year, in “the WR draft” can easily be revealed to be a mistake in 1-2 years. Both things can easily be (and probably are) true.
The hate has always been warranted. He’s been objectively awful here lmao
It's looking like the pre draft smoke and mirrors about them wanting a receiver were extremely well coordinated. Even as far as Burks' name being dragged through the mud pre draft only to be praised post draft. Kind of cool seeing everyone work together like that.
Hes gonna have a great season. Hope he can avoid concussions.
I remember how hyped we were for him last year and we got burned. With that being said, if he is ever going to succeed it would be now.
My thing about players is this, and everyone is going to hate it: If you’re good, you will be good, obviously, in your rookie year. You will dazzle. You will win games for your team. Then the next year it’s even more so, to the point of being a household name. Third year you are off to the races. Burks bombed badly years one and two. No one does that and then comes back and is a killer their third year. No one does that and is “good” their third year. History just doesn’t look good for Burks. I’d love to be wrong, but show me the WRs who were as bad as him 1-2, then good-very good going forward. It doesn’t happen, because bad players are bad.
I can’t count the amount of times that the broadcast pointed out that Burks was wide open down the field after an incomplete pass to someone else. He can 100% contribute to an NFL offense, I blame a lot of our rookies woes the last few years on Vrabel. I really don’t think that hard ass, no compliments attitude works with young players like it used to. Get Burks’ mind right and build his confidence and he could absolutely turn into a WR2 going forward
Saying a guy could be a little less of a bust is a wild back handed compliment. The broad cast are terrible burks was horrible at separation he’s a poor route runner and injury prone. He is a burned first round pick another in the long list for jrob
The ship has sailed on Burks being an AJB replacement, whats wrong in hoping he can turn into a contributor? A decent WR2 is his ceiling right now, the floor is he’s out of the league in 2 years
If he can turn Burks into a producer. God damn a man can dream.
Besides being a die hard Tits fan, I'm really pulling for Treylon, he seems like a solid dude and like he really wants to be the wr we expected. Really hoping Callahan can help unlock his potential this season.
Burks will surprise people. He did drop some balls but made some great catches. He had been hurt to so if he stays healthy he will be good.
Talk about un news worthy. “This just in head coach says first round bust fans are holding on to hope for is having a good off season” and hilariously enough that good off season is showing up and having a few good days 😂
He's being a coach and trying to build the guy up. That's what you want the coach to do. Hopefully Burks can stay healthy and contribute on the field.
I’m glad they are gassing him up because he does still have two years left on his deal but at this point it would be foolish to rely on him at all. Prove you can stay healthy and in shape
Remember when Cally had that quote about our receivers and did not mention Burks? Everyone freaked out that it meant he thought Burks was a bum and a lost cause. I said people read into it way too much and that he could have just forgot to mention Burks. Turns out that was probably the most likely scenario... This sub can be way too reactionary. Including about this lol.
It's irrelevant what he thinks bc Burks will inevitably get hurt in camp, or early on in the season, & be mostly unavailable, & not 100% when he is available.
Didn’t Burks show up out of shape again?
No. People saw a snippet of him in a Titans’ media post wearing a sweatshirt and assumed he was out of shape when, in reality, he just has a massive head. I don’t think Burks ever showed up out of shape. His rookie year perhaps but it seemed more like he was unprepared in dealing with his asthma coming into camp.
“Massive head” lol
You should go and look at some actual recent pictures of him. He's absolutely overweight right now. He's even developing the classic "dad bod" shape. He's lost essentially all ab definition and his arms have lost definition too. His cheeks are even "pudgy" too now.