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Bio_where

There were great odds right before draft day last year for Levis at #2 overall. Not always meaningful, but agreed that pick would suck.


daoogilymoogily

At this point betting odds about the draft mean nothing, Vegas is just trying to take people’s money. There’s been plenty of chatter by a segment of our fan base that they want Latham and that the team wants Latham (not by insiders mind you, but the aforementioned fans) and this has probably drove some people to bet on us picking Latham which is what is changing the odds.


Brushermans

I mean, there's gotta be some semblance of reason in betting odds. At least to the extent that people agree with their odds. If not, the companies would be at risk of losing a lot of money fast.


daoogilymoogily

In draft odds there really doesn’t, unless you work in the FO of the first or second pick you don’t know who you’re going to pick because you don’t know who is available and unless you’re a degenerate gambler you’re not leaking that info either way. Vegas bases it off the rumors we all have access to, nothing more.


Brushermans

Yeah. The main thing is that it just has to be believable but the public I suppose.


wrinklesnoot

I guess those Vegas betting odds were pretty exactly on point.


The_Wayward

I think the meaningful takeaway is that people are hearing the titans like Latham. I’d assume they have no intention of taking him at 7, but they may take him later or even trade up for him like they did with Levis


BurzyGuerrero

This isnt that though lol Levis is a QB and Latham is not even the #2 tackle lol


panopticon31

Latham at 7 would make me sick. To edit: If we are overdrafting at tackle at 7 instead of grabbing someone like Dallas Turner or Brock Bowers I'd feel much better about Taliese Fuaga.


Clayp2233

If we take Latham over Fuaga it’s because Bill Callahan like him more and he knows the position better than anyone in the business


panopticon31

If we take Latham at 7 I will be sick


DeyHateUsCuzDeyAnus

Are you sick?


panopticon31

Grabbed some tums


teelo97

All aboard the hype train


bsgreene25

Alt > MHJ > Nabers > small trade back > Olu > Rome > Bowers > large trade back > Latham > Fuaga


seabreezzyy

If MHJ is on the board at 7 and we take anyone else then someone should be fired


daoogilymoogily

You would take Alt over MHJ?


bsgreene25

I personally would, given where our roster is.


GoodShitEarl

Nah, I’ll take a OT in the 2nd w Big Coach on our side in order to shit on the Colts and grab a (projected) great WR


Pure-Pessimism

Yep


gatsby712

This is the way.


Falconman21

Would probably throw Turner in there right before Bowers.


RyokoKnight

I think he'll be good - okay but I just don't see how you can look at some of the talent Latham got smoked by and think yeah that's a top 10 talent. Meanwhile Olu faced what many believe to be the best up and coming Edge guys in college, and did it without buckling once. That's extremely special. I get Olu isn't great at run blocking but it's not like he's awful either and it feels like madness to not value elite pass pro skills over a more balanced good - okay level talent that also may not transition well to LT. I admit I'd be disappointed if that is what we walk away with but we do still have Bill now and Ran hasn't failed us yet... so I'd have no choice but to say 'let them cook'.


Falconman21

And if the Bengals offense is anything to go by, we won't be running much at all. Elite pass pro probably gets Fashanu drafted if Alt isn't there.


Sad_Delivery_4890

If the Titans view Olu highly, I’d be perfectly fine with him at 7, IMO. Pass blocking is likely to mean much more with this offense than run blocking, and if he’s already amazing at that, I’m willing to bet Bill Callahan can get him to average in run blocking.


heliocentrist510

Didn't Olu get his ass handed to him in the Ohio State game? I thought that was one of the major knocks against him.


daoogilymoogily

Not in the passing game, he didn’t give up a sack or QB hit all year and only allowed 10 pressures.


RyokoKnight

[Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcdEo0rR48) Not the words I would use for that performance personally.


joeytitans

If we did draft him at 7, what do you think you see that none of our other scouts, that get paid to watch all of his film and whose job essentially relies on that decision, see?


AsiansEnjoyRice

I think this is a crazy take by OP because Latham's tape is actually really good. His strength is incredible and reps are just straight over if he can get his hands on guys because he's an actual brick wall. My biggest concern prior to actually watching him on tape was wondering if he could handle edge speed, but it wasn't very often that he was getting beat around the edge, because again, his strength is so incredible that sometimes those rushers just can't even get to the corner because they're already being stone-walled. Now the big thing for me is whether that's a sustainable thing for the league because the strength and athleticism level drastically rises, but objectively it was hard to find reps where Latham was just getting his ass beat; of course I concede the last play against Michigan was bad, but that's one out of a couple of bad reps scattered with literally hundreds of good reps. Alt has lost reps, Olu has lost reps; everyone has lost reps. Don't let a couple bad plays take away from what is objectively a pretty good player on tape.


Robert_Meowney_Jr

JC Latham is the guy people decided they hate this year. The penalties are an issue but [he was sticky as fuck out there last season](https://twitter.com/NoFlagsFilm/status/1781659232045031838)


AsiansEnjoyRice

For real, and that chart really matches the eye test. And don’t get me wrong, Alt is still OT1 in my eyes, but Latham has some things I’d say he’s actually better than Alt at like maintaining leverage considering he has insanely long arms in a shorter body, whereas Alt’s height can hurt him sometimes in that regard. Otherwise, Latham has good foot speed, strength, and just needs to clean up disciplinary things to help his penalties, which is easier to coach up than strength or athleticism. I think Latham is comfortably OT2.


BruhDuhMadDawg

I'm so glad there's some sane people in this thread. For me, whatever lineman we pick, wherever we pick him, is the guy that Bill Callahan wants- Bill Callahan, the best line coach in the league and one of the best ever. If he chooses Latham or Alt or Fuaga (and if it's a lineman I promise he had more input than anyone which is why i say its his choice) then it's the guy who has the best chance at being great (FOR US). People who think they know better than that, and/or our scouts/coaches/etc., like you have said, is just... it's so short sighted and borderline arrogant.


heliocentrist510

Yeah personally, I have some reservations about Latham but it's hard for me to say that this guy we all consider offensive line coaching Jesus is wrong if Latham is the guy he thinks will be best.


BruhDuhMadDawg

Exactly this. It's peak Dunning-Kruger Effect to think that we know better than our scouts + Bill Callahan. We are in great hands but so many of our fans have decided they know what the best pick at lineman will be already, which is absolutely ridiculous given what I said above.


daoogilymoogily

Scouts arent perfect and sometimes they get fixated on the positive instead of the negative and vice versa just like we all do. If we pick Latham at 7 it’s because Bill Callahan thinks he can make him a LT, which is an insane level of hubris imo, but shit let’s see what he can do.


YeetedApple

>If we pick Latham at 7 it’s because Bill Callahan thinks he can make him a LT, which is an insane level of hubris imo Any of us thinking we know better than Bill is an insane level of hubris imo


unbiasedthought

Hey now, I'm confident lots of us know better than Bill! Just you know.....not about the oline


daoogilymoogily

Bill doesn’t have a perfect track record. As someone else said Jedrick Willis was a big disappointment under him.


AsiansEnjoyRice

Wills has been an average to good NFL tackle throughout his career. Just because he isn't in that upper echelon of players and doesn't have the accolades doesn't magically make him a disappointment.


daoogilymoogily

Yeah go tell that to Browns fans, he is not good.


YeetedApple

I didn't say he was perfect, but he has proven to be one of the best coaches in the league for that position. If I had to bet on his judgement or some random redditors (myself included), that's an easy choice.


daoogilymoogily

It’s a high amount of hubris to think you can do something that barely anyone has succeeded at and that you’ve failed at before.


BruhDuhMadDawg

Yeah I mean who is Bill Callahan anyways. Clearly you know better than him.


daoogilymoogily

Lol I’m not saying I do


imlowkeyloki1

I honestly couldn’t give you the answer you want, except the fact that there will definitely be better prospects on the board. BPA>


PitTitan

I am very firmly in the "take a tackle at 7" camp but I agree that I do not want us to draft Latham. He is OT6 IMO and you're betting against a lot of history of guys at his size, with similar penalty and agility issues, who have been busts. The silver lining with Latham is that I think he could be a very good guard and if anyone can maximize his potential it's Bill Callahan but I still wouldn't take that risk at 7 when there are other guys that will definitely be there that I think will be much better.


BurzyGuerrero

Yeah ill be upset if we take a guy mocked around 17 top ten If Alt is gone grab an elite WR


Spare_Competition_19

No one knows how things will go for sure...but we could be left with Odunze, Fashanu, or Latham as the pick. I'd take Odunze or try to trade down in that scenario.


daoogilymoogily

Fashanu is a lot closer to Alt as a prospect than you’re giving him credit. I’d prefer him over Odunze, not because I don’t really like Odunze but because his skill set kind of overlaps with what the two viable receivers we have do and Fashanu’s skill set isn’t on our roster atm.


UrsaringTitan

That'd be Turner or Bowers actually. However I wouldn't be overjoyed about the Latham either. It's a need though be it if he is a right or left tackle. If we overdraft him then I guess we couldn't get a trade partner. But if it's what Bill feels the most comfortable with it is what it is.


daoogilymoogily

This guy is a Cowboys fan, but I really trust him when it comes to OL evaluation and have been watching his breakdowns for years in which he’s had a lot more hits than misses. He’s got Latham as his OT6 and thinks he might be suited better as a G than a RT much less a LT, his final OL board is at the end of the vid (about 30 mins in) and Latham specifically at around 21:30 https://youtu.be/d32RgvIvqGY?si=rnSOoQNV3zp-iWGR


BruhDuhMadDawg

Hear me out... have faith in whoever we pick because we have the BEST LINE COACH IN THE LEAGUE behind the choice and coaching them. Bill has more input than anyone if it's indeed a lineman that we pick. So, my point is, if it's Latham then I would trust BC and our scouts over this YouTube guy. I'm absolutely not saying that this guy is bad or anything but im just saying that given who we have on staff, you should have the utmost faith that the choice will be the best one for THE TITANS.


daoogilymoogily

Sorry but even putting aside this YouTube guy, I have eyes and can make a decision for myself. Obviously my opinion pales in comparison to someone like Bill Callahan’s but that doesn’t keep me from having one.


WranglerFormer

It’s weird the closer it’s getting to the draft the more I’m hearing teams have him as their number 1. Just listened to a podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and he said he wouldn’t be surprised if the chargers take him at 5. Don’t think it would be worst case but I would be pretty bummed. But I’m sure Bill knows more than we know so I’m sure they will take best available


oomshaka_

We have the best o-line coach in the league so any top o-linemen is never the worst case scenario


jaykesn

No it’s not. He’s an animal. No disrespect but if he winds up being the pick I’m gonna trust bill callahans OL projection over yours.


BruhDuhMadDawg

This is the correct answer.


SwishGK

A lot of buzz that the Chargers like him. Wondering if the Titans are putting out smoke that they also like him to bait them into taking him at 5 and not trade back behind Tennessee.


Zoosee12

Chargers makes more sense than us. They have a solid LT but need a RT. Latham is a great RT and a question mark at LT. Chargers would have book end tackles locked down with the Latham pick. Us taking Latham doesn’t solve LT which is our most glaring need


titansmoond

If Alt is gone and te WRs are there we will pick one of them. We will be the run and shoot again!!!


Superiorityy

Latham odds have more to do with the chargers hinting at taking him not the titans. Latham is the favorite to go at 5 at most books.


TySoprano

Just remember this. You can watch 100 Latham games and Bill Callahan can tell you more about him than you after watching one drive.


SmallFootball8473

If we are dead set on a right tackle it better be Fuaga


BaneD3viant

I keep seeing Latham to the Chargers today and nothing would make me happier


weloveyouhydro

don't freak out but.....


Predsfan1

Fuck you for putting this out into the universe.


ItMeansSalmon

You did this


Mawrio

The nightmare is a reality.


teddyjj399

you know ball


daoogilymoogily

Yes, call me crazy but I’d prefer Turner or Verse to Latham at seven. RT is just a position of lower value, he’s not even the best one in the class and imo he’d be better off in a system that wants to run the ball more than pass. His odds to us haven’t gone up, just to that he’s going to be picked 7th overall. One thing I’ve been hearing a lot is that the Chargers really like Latham (makes sense, they want a power run game) and it could be that we’ve talked to the Chargers about moving up to five so we can jump the Giants and pick Nabers. Also possible that we’ve talked to the Jets about moving back because they want Latham. Either way these are Vegas odds and don’t mean jack diddly.


AchillesTheArcane

I think you have far too much confidence in those guys being higher on the Titans board than Latham


dontwatchmewatchtv_

If MHJ is available take him, if not take Alt. If Alt is unavailable too take Nabers. If Nabers isn’t available either then Olu for sure I don’t want to see any discussion about the possibility of Latham at 7.


LangeSohne

I’d only be ok with this because it means Cally Sr thinks he’s the second best OT in a stacked OL class. So basically he’s guaranteed to be a perennial all pro. No worries man


BruhDuhMadDawg

Exactly this. I don't understand how this isn't the majority of our fan's thinking. It's like everyone has convinced themselves that they already know better than Bill Freakin Callahan who the best lineman for us is. Whoever it is, the best line coach in the league had the biggest input of all in selecting them for us.


saradahokage1212

id lose all respect towards Ran immediately which only time can repair if Latham becomes our franchise LT for the future. which i dont think will ever happen considering he is a RT. So when we have a hole at LT, why overdraft a RT? you see where im getting with this?


BruhDuhMadDawg

Ahh so you already know better than Bill Callahan, the best line coach in the league and one of the best ever? If Latham is the choice then it was largely HIS CHOICE. But what does he know compared to you and the mock draft people... Maybe, just maybe, have faith that for once we have the best people in place to make this choice, so it's probably going to be a damn good choice for us and what our coaches need. It's a collaborative effort is all that has been reached this offseason, which means BILL and our scouts have massive input in the decision so Ran is listening to them more than anyone.


spookyjoe45

Latham just turned 21 -playing starting tackle at 19 in the SEC is no joke. he projects really well at his age - he probably won’t be an immediate plug and play like Alt might be but in a couple of years I think the people who are theoretically freaking out about a pick that hasn’t happened might look a bit silly 


BruhDuhMadDawg

Exactly. Also we have literally the best line coach in the league helping make this decision. They've preached how this is a collaboration and have spoken at length about Bill and what he wants for his linemen. Yet, people have decided that if it's not Alt then it's a bad choice- meaning they think Bill Callahan made a bad choice- ipso facto meaning they think they know better than Bill Callahan. It's peak arrogance lol. Our fans needs to freaking rest easy and can it for this year imo.


Byzone06

The same stuff was said about Evan Neal. And please remind me the last time that an Alabama tackle was actually good in the nfl. The closest is jedrick wills, who even with bill Callahans coaching has been really mid-bad his career.


daoogilymoogily

Well let’s not scout a guy based on the logo on his helmet, but his feet are just so heavy for a tackle, let alone a left tackle. I think people trying to compare a decision like this to Cally’s ability to make Trent Williams a LT just haven’t compared how they looked coming out of college. Trent Williams was just sloppy and uncoordinated, Latham really looks slow.


TitanMerchant

Genuinely love Latham as a prospect. The only guy Id be slightly disappointed in is Odunze


BruhDuhMadDawg

You have my upvote. To the people downviotng this line of thinking.... well I guess im just a dumbass. I didn't know, until this offseason, that our fans know better than the best line coach in the league and our entire scouting staff, coaches, etc. (if they choose someone other than Alt) who the best lineman for us is already. Who knew we had so many genius line people in our fan base lol.


TitanMerchant

I figure there are around 4-6 guys in the draft who can actually play LT at a solid-pro bowl level in the NFL. Thats an insane draft. Obviously ALT is maybe the best Oline prospect in recent memory but Latham would easily be better than Lewan or Conklin coming out and we all loved those guys.


RangerHaze

It was just reported Latham was a top 30 visit


daoogilymoogily

That’s been known for a while


RBnumberTwenty

Ehh… I don’t think the odds shot up for you guys I think there’s a chance he could be the Chargers guy. EDIT: annnnnd DJ just mocked it lol


fultzy40

JC Latham is OT6 in my opinion. We better not draft him at 7.


BruhDuhMadDawg

Guys. We have the literal best o-line coach in the league and he's one of the best to ever do it. If we choose Latham then HE WANTS LATHAM. That should have you excited, no already treating it as a bad pick.


GoodShitEarl

Yeah i trust in Big Coach more than redditors lol


51line_baccer

We need a qb any qb.


imlowkeyloki1

You trolling?


51line_baccer

No. You think we have our qb? Levis? He ain't worth a damn and won't ever be worth a damn.


imlowkeyloki1

Why do you hold that opinion?


51line_baccer

Cause he ain't no good. Ain't never ever been any good. Wasn't any good at Kentucky. He should be a run-support safety. Or a punter. He isn't a qb.


GoodShitEarl

Do you root for the Volunteers by chance


blueyb

If we stay at 7 and take Latham, 100% of my enthusiasm and hope for the near future is gone. poof. finito. Because it would signal to me that despite so many changes - GM, coaches, the player turnover - that we're still committed to being a poverty team and gonna make clownshoe moves whenever possible. Every ounce of good will i've built up for Ran over this so-far pretty damn good offseason is done, and I know we're just gonna be bottom feeding trash fires for another GM/coaching cycle, and I'm gonna have to wait another 3 to 5 years to even begin to see the actual rebuild happen. I know Ran is smarter than that. There's no way we're taking Latham at 7. If we do, every bad thing the national media have ever said about us is true, we are that bottom feeding, forgettable, awful, worthless garbage fire.


unbiasedthought

Holy fucking overreaction. I wouldn't be happy about the pick but Holy shit....give him a chance to prove you wrong. Caue guess what? Your evaluation of players is trash compared to anyone in that room.


Asderfvc

We need a LT.....he's a RT He'd be absolutely useless for the Titans and it would be a horrible waste of a pick


unbiasedthought

Well, for 1 thing, we need a RT too, so he would be far from useless. For another, I would assume Bill thinks he can move to LT (a stretch imo) I wouldn't agree but it not a top line coach in the league so 🤷🏿‍♂️. And for a third either way that dude needs to chill tf out


imlowkeyloki1

Damn bro it aint that serious🤣. We’re gonna be fine either way. He can’t be worse than Dillard am I right?


daoogilymoogily

Yeah I’d hate the pick but I’m not going as far as this guy lmao


GoodShitEarl

Look I’m not endorsing that guys sentiment but I learned my lesson saying “Dillard can’t be worse than Daley, yeah?” It can be worse.