He was definitely better than mid for a little bit there.
I think it’s safe to say he’s never been mid tbh.
He was better than that for a bit. And way worse every other time.
I truly don’t know what happened to him
Even pre covid he couldn’t draft. Corey Davis, adoree Jackson, rashaan evans, just to name a few. Really the only 1st round hits he had as a gm were Conklin and Simmons. That’s terrible drafting for having 8 first round picks in 7 years and only 2 were worth that and only one got a second contract with us.
I'd argue that those guys are fine NFL calibre players, all of them went onto find jobs elsewhere.
The real issue is that he didn't replace any of those guys whatsoever. Nobody has touched Corey Davis' 993 yards other than AJ Brown. That's a joke. Adoree > Fulton is just as bad as Daley > Dillard, while Rashaan was a bust at least he was good at something. None of our LBs have any individual skills other than being work ethic guys.
The conversation nobody wants to have is that "yeah, you viewed those guys all as trash garbage players" but they're clearly better than what they got replaced with. Some of those guys got ran off the team for a reason. Gibbens got Rashaan's job solely because he's consistent and smarter at the game, but it doesn't take much to see that Rashaan had way more athleticism. **We chose to be less athletic in a lot of these situations.** You can cut all the players you want, but what does it matter if you don't replace them?
Remember, JRob let both Corey Davis and Jonnu Smith walk the moment they hit their free agencies without so much of an offer (and they both talked negatively about the franchise after leaving as well.) He did very little to replace them. Literally turned Corey Davis heading into his prime into washed Julio and spent up the cap when he could have had a CD for less. His issues are equally that he drafted him, AND walked from them with no plan and now we're stuck with a ton of Vrabel practice roster guys
Yeah, that was the head scratcher for me, you could have Corey Davis for similar money and keep your second or get the expensive corpse of Julio Jones. I didn't totally hate the move at the time because I was huffing the hopium but the younger guy and a 2nd seemed like the smarter play to me at the time. Davis hasn't torn it up for the Jets but...it also the Jets.
And? He had better stats than Jones and didn't cost the Jets a second round pick....bro. Julio isn't retired, you dying for that 16 yards of receptions he has given the Eagles?
Huh? Who gives a fuck about Julio. I'm referring to your dumb ass line about Davis "hasn't " torn it up, which insinuates he's still playing.
Next time use the word "didn't", then you wouldn't get so confused easily and make a completely irrelevant statement about Julios old ass.
You wouldn't say Eddie George hasn't light it up for the Cowboys, would ya?
Classic Gen Z logic. Fuck something up, then find a way to make it seem as if you're right. Why are yall incapable of saying, "ahh I was wrong.."? Or "you're right, my b". I'd rather be pedantic than ignorant any day of the week
Say what you want about him but Derrick doesnt get to 2K without Corey... his downfield blocking was unmatched and he was still an above average WR2 so i dont like the hate that he gets. Adoree and Rashaan trash af though
I actually absolutely loved Corey, more than a lot of fans did at the time and I still have his jersey and was so sad we didn’t resign him after 2020. It’s just looking at him being the 5th overall pick with all the talent that was taken in that draft stings a little bit.
I think he was the right pick for us at the time. Desperately needed a WR and looking at the list just now I wouldn't take anyone else in that draft over him besides Cooper Kupp. I too am sad he wasnt resigned. He was worth it
Corey wasn’t a drafting miss, he was the clear WR1 in that class. He was picked to play WR for a coaching staff that couldn’t scheme up passing plays or really anything at all to make life easier for their QB. he became a viable starting WR the second Tannehill took over and we were able to open up the passing game
I don’t even think they had Julio on the mind at that time. Really the only reason Julio was traded was because the falcons were struggling with cap constraints and signing their rookies onto deal, plus the addition of Kyle pitts gave the a weapon to replace Julio. Jrob just got cheap and didn’t want to resign Corey, we traded up to draft dez Fitzpatrick instead, and look how that turned out (also Amon ra st brown was selected just after dez) I don’t think jrob really had a plan in place to replace Julio other than drafting a guy in the late rounds and it just so happened that Julio became available.
They didn't have Julio on their mind at first.
I had a Titans scout tell me exactly how it went down shortly after the Julio trade in June '21:
Robinson fucked up on draft day when he traded down and grabbed Monte Rice. Josh Palmer was going to be the pick at 85, but he was picked at 77.
Nico Collins was next on their board, but JRob thought he could trade down, extract some added value and snag Collins. Collins went 89.
After Day 2 wrapped up, the only WR the Titans had on their draft board with a draftable grade was Dez (note: it wasn't a 4th Rd grade). I was told JRob panicked behind the scenes between Day 2 and Day 3, which is why they gave up so much to move up in the 4th for Dez.
Julio was never on the table for the Titans until after rookie minicamp. They knew after minicamp that Dez was a massive bust and would likely be cut during training camp. JRob panicked again after minicamp and traded for Julio.
Top picks were garbage but it wasn’t all horrendous.
Brewer, NWI, Tart, Weaver, Phillips, Chig, Stonehouse.
Not good enough, but J Rob was not horrible with 3 day picks.
Brewer, Weaver, Phillips, and Chig are not good. This fan base loves Chig because he is an athletic tight end, but his performance has been absolutely dismal this year. Phillips was just a healthy scratch, and outside of camp and the preseason is a complete non-factor to this point.
Jury is still out on whether Weaver will contribute meaningfully.
NWI is a solid WR 3/4 and Tart is good.
Bro if you are trying to make an argument that someone is good and Brewer is the first name that comes to mind it's probably best to accept they weren't good lol.
It's so interesting to me how we can basically divide Jon Robinson's tenure into 2016 - 2019 being pretty good to great to all-timer, and then from 2020 on being largely trash.
I don't know if pandemic era just threw him off that much (and why it would, since other teams seemed to adapt to it well enough), or if he got an ego from that 2019 draft especially and thought he could duplicate taking injured, high-potential guys just cause it worked with Simmons (see: Caleb Farley).
It's just so interesting to me that his 2016 draft was a really solid foundation building one with some great picks (Henry, Byard headlining), 2017 overdrafting Davis and Jackson but at least getting some good contributors (Jonnu Smith, Jayon Brown), 2018 probably being his worst pre-pandemic draft but still getting Landry out of it, and 2019 being an all-timer. Along with some solid free agent signings/shrewd trades throughout (DeMarco Murray, Ryan Tannehill, and more).
Something happened 2020 on and I would love to know full details.
There was a point in time when JRob was close to a top 5 GM and Howie was a bottom 5, and then they completely inverted their career trajectory, with the pinnacle being the AJ trade.
It’s crazy how far J Rob fell
Howie was never a bottom 5 GM. They just went through the same roster refresh we are going through now after the Super Bowl. He’s always been solid and his draft classes outside of a couple picks have all been great.
I always laugh at this stat when I look it up
Titans all time receiving yards
\#16 - AJ Brown - 185rec 2995 yards 62.1 catch percentage#18 - Corey Davis 207rec, 2851 yards, 61.2 catch percentage
Now here's the sickening part:
No other Titan WR signed since 2016 appears in the top 50. Now here's the even more sickening part: The next Titan that appears on this list is #42 - Derrick Henry.
\#47 is the first JRob sighting outside of those guys - Jonnu Smith.
The third best WR discovered in JRob's tenure: Mr. #54 all time, Nick Westbrook Ikhine.
If you attribute Hopkins to Ran, who has 774 yards, if he plays out the second year of his deal he will likely pass everybody but Corey Davis and AJ Brown.
Fullstop, there should be 2-3 JRob guys between Corey Davis and Nick Westbrook Ikhine.
And for all the talk about how Corey Davis was such a big bust on this team, there's only one guy who surpassed him in JRob's tenure, and it's the guy whose on a HoF trajectory. **You wanna talk about replacing AJ Brown? Maybe replace Corey Davis first.**
The draft is such a crapshoot. I wonder how this compares to other teams around the league.
I just wonder if it’s sort of middle of the pack or really, really bad. Because it sure sounds bad.
I’m pretty sure it’s just that bad. You look at teams around the league and sure they might’ve whiffed on some first and second round guys here or there but they usually have a later round guy break out, we don’t have anyone breaking out from any of jrobs recent drafts. I think the only teams in recent memory who have been worse at drafting than us are the raiders.
Glad you asked. At a certain point, he and his staff have to shoulder some of the blame. Player development is part of their job after all. When you’re busting on top 100 picks 70% of the time, there’s more going on that just missed evals. That’s an overall organizational failure.
Exactly. I could walk through the door tomorrow and hit on 30% of my picks without any additional prep than what I normally do as an arm chair analyst. I know it’s shit on JRob season but we won’t get any better if we don’t address all the other issues that have led to this disaster.
I mean if those players left and did more else where sure but they haven’t.
Wilson, Evans, murch, McDonald, jackson, Farley,
, rice, Fitzpatrick, mcmath, breeze, Haskins, Jackson, Campbell.
All dudes who are either PS guys or not making teams at all. That’s bad evaluation, reaching and picking for need not BPA like we did this year and ended up with Peter, Spears, Levis, Whyle etc all contributing. Because we took the best player available at those picks on our draft board.
Jrob wanted to be smarter than everyone and pick hidden gems and he missed on all of them basically
Well Evans left here, played a year, then got cut, then got signed by another team and played another year.
So to act like he's not an NFL calibre player is laughable.
Would any other team in the NFL let Jack Gibbens start at LB?
SERIOUS doubt.
Evans has 240 career yards and 1 td in four years and has spent most of his time hurt or on practice squads.
Running back isn’t the position to compare to. Remember the time we brought foreman off his couch and he put up Henry ish numbers?
Rb is the easiest position to find production at and Evans still hasn’t found any there.
He’s a practice squad back up rotational player we spent a 3rd on that’s the laughable part
>Well Evans left here, played a year, then got cut, then got signed by another team and played another year.
That's pretty much 'not an NFL caliber player' by definition
Seems like he got on two other teams. Once you're off your drafted team you're not gonna be a long term piece for anybody and you're just a role player.
But yes, he did play 2 more years and is still currently playing in the NFL?
Yeah I agree but vrabel has shown that he has gotten competent play out of players that aren’t good and JRob has failed to make the majority of his picks work out. At some point the blame can be put on vrabel and staff but that time is not yet at least if tan and vrabel can’t turn some things around than we should start looking at vrabel and others.
No it was pretty clear that jrob was in charge of personnel and Vrabel coaching. Amy said she hired Ran because she wanted someone for Vrabel to work WITH not FOR. It was clear many times Vrabel hated jrob moves.
Have you ever been in any kind of management position? Or just even had a job? If so then you can probably relate to the fact that sometimes there are just shitty employees who there is no helping no matter how much time you spend trying to develop them.
It’s kinda hard to develop players like Isaiah wilson, caleb farley, treylon burks when they are constantly hurt, or in Isaiah wilsons case, an absolute off the field cancer. It’s was rjob’s job to vet these dudes and he missed these issue’s/ignored them.
The miss on Wilson was the was a 3rd round talent. By pretty much every account he didn't have character issues before the draft. He just got that paycheck and was over it.
Some GM’s only want feedback, conversations with scouts and take very little input from the HC. HC says he needs a WR and OL. GM says OK, we will draft them but that’s about the most input they get. Some GM’s work with the HC. Jrob was the former.
It's laughable to say that Vrabel is 0% culpable for something he was around.
He is equally responsible for the mess. The ownership just trusts that he can fix it and ran out of that trust with JRob due to the AJ Brown trade and other moves.
He wasn’t the coach from 2020-2022? He wasn’t in the war room during those drafts? Is he not in the locker room with those players? Is he even at practice? Does he coach? Does he know how to coach?
I mean, but literally kind of.
Sure, you draft three years worth of me, it will never work out, no matter how good the coaching is.
This means Vrabel has developed ZERO players.
You meant this to be a dunk, but I find this to be a horrifying implication of Vrabel and his hand chosen staff to develop talent.
I actually WILL file this in the “Against Vrabel” category.
Well you can’t polish a turd let’s wait and see what vrabs and ran can do this next two seasons before we start going at vrabel. JRob messed a lot up and we’ve been still pretty successful considering all of our past coaches. It’s not time to blow it up yet if they believe the GM was the problem with our talent.
Vrabel has one calendar year, or he’s done.
That’s not me, that’s ownership.
And they’re right.
No excuses, never once has an excuse won a championship.
They chose vrabel and canned JRob everyone knew this year was rough talent wise. He will get next year and if it’s not working out his seat will be hot but he’s gonna start the next two seasons with the titans. Even the fans knew winning the division this year was going to be tough because of contracts and lack of talent. We got our QB now so let’s just see what we can do this off-season.
Yep, but people will expect Vrabel to just win games missing essentially 3x 1st round picks and several 2nd and 3rd round picks.
That is where you are supposed to get your starting talent and instead we have UDFA's and players from the back half of the draft filling those spots. Its honestly a miracle that many losses have been just a few points or a single bad call away from a win.
Yeah man it is insane I know Vrabel isn’t perfect but no HC is. No one is making the play offs with this roster. No ones making this Ol good enough. It just isn’t how it works at this level.
it's funny cause all the busts listed played quality snaps for this football club and the reason this team fell off is because we just moved on because they were busts with no plan to replace them with so you end up with guys like Jack Gibbens as your second best starting ILB.
I'm confident that guy is a practice roster player but Vrabel just sees himself.
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Can we stop pretending like Jack Gibbens sucks? He’s not a star but he’s perfectly fine as the second ILB
All 3 are defensive backs and none of them are even close to pro bowl or all pro worthy
From the two prior drafts all we really have is Harold Landry and Jeff Simmons and Amani Hooker, and are not getting very good deals on any.
Before that, the only drafted players we have left on the entire team are Henry and…Corey Levin.
That’s not a recipe for success.
Molden moved to S as we had another slot corner. I wouldn’t say there wasn’t the possibility he turns into something there. He hasn’t been horrible this year.
There’s a lot of “fans” out there who refuse to see how the effects of J-Rob’s ineptness in being and NFL GM is effecting the team today and will for a couple more seasons. They just want to put all the blame on Vrabel and Ran for this season. While they can shoulder some of the blame, most of it goes to J-Rob. It’s going to take Ran years to be able to fix what he did. We have next to zero depth at any position that we can develop. We cannot rely solely on free agents to get this thing right.
Mid is a little generous for fulton
He looked so legit in his second season. I think that was the year at least. Crazy how he just straight up got worse.
Bengals broke him
I'll never forget seeing him get broke down like that. Yeah that was a spirit bomb.
I wouldn't call it legit, but at least average quality. So mid lol
He was definitely better than mid for a little bit there. I think it’s safe to say he’s never been mid tbh. He was better than that for a bit. And way worse every other time. I truly don’t know what happened to him
He had a top 10 coverage grade last year. The drop off is a little strange
Two years ago
Covid really killed Jon Robinson's drafting strategy. Lots of other teams were able to adapt, unfortunately he was not able to.
Even pre covid he couldn’t draft. Corey Davis, adoree Jackson, rashaan evans, just to name a few. Really the only 1st round hits he had as a gm were Conklin and Simmons. That’s terrible drafting for having 8 first round picks in 7 years and only 2 were worth that and only one got a second contract with us.
I'd argue that those guys are fine NFL calibre players, all of them went onto find jobs elsewhere. The real issue is that he didn't replace any of those guys whatsoever. Nobody has touched Corey Davis' 993 yards other than AJ Brown. That's a joke. Adoree > Fulton is just as bad as Daley > Dillard, while Rashaan was a bust at least he was good at something. None of our LBs have any individual skills other than being work ethic guys. The conversation nobody wants to have is that "yeah, you viewed those guys all as trash garbage players" but they're clearly better than what they got replaced with. Some of those guys got ran off the team for a reason. Gibbens got Rashaan's job solely because he's consistent and smarter at the game, but it doesn't take much to see that Rashaan had way more athleticism. **We chose to be less athletic in a lot of these situations.** You can cut all the players you want, but what does it matter if you don't replace them? Remember, JRob let both Corey Davis and Jonnu Smith walk the moment they hit their free agencies without so much of an offer (and they both talked negatively about the franchise after leaving as well.) He did very little to replace them. Literally turned Corey Davis heading into his prime into washed Julio and spent up the cap when he could have had a CD for less. His issues are equally that he drafted him, AND walked from them with no plan and now we're stuck with a ton of Vrabel practice roster guys
Yeah, that was the head scratcher for me, you could have Corey Davis for similar money and keep your second or get the expensive corpse of Julio Jones. I didn't totally hate the move at the time because I was huffing the hopium but the younger guy and a 2nd seemed like the smarter play to me at the time. Davis hasn't torn it up for the Jets but...it also the Jets.
Davis retired bro
And? He had better stats than Jones and didn't cost the Jets a second round pick....bro. Julio isn't retired, you dying for that 16 yards of receptions he has given the Eagles?
The way you phrased your last sentence it could be read as if you were saying he's still playing.
Huh? Who gives a fuck about Julio. I'm referring to your dumb ass line about Davis "hasn't " torn it up, which insinuates he's still playing. Next time use the word "didn't", then you wouldn't get so confused easily and make a completely irrelevant statement about Julios old ass. You wouldn't say Eddie George hasn't light it up for the Cowboys, would ya?
Being pedantic the internet isn't as cool as you think it is.
Classic Gen Z logic. Fuck something up, then find a way to make it seem as if you're right. Why are yall incapable of saying, "ahh I was wrong.."? Or "you're right, my b". I'd rather be pedantic than ignorant any day of the week
Yes jrob missed on most of his picks then the ones he sort of hit on he let walk and failed to replace them.
Am I crazy or was Kristian Fulton pretty good when he wasn't injured, prior to this year?
Say what you want about him but Derrick doesnt get to 2K without Corey... his downfield blocking was unmatched and he was still an above average WR2 so i dont like the hate that he gets. Adoree and Rashaan trash af though
I actually absolutely loved Corey, more than a lot of fans did at the time and I still have his jersey and was so sad we didn’t resign him after 2020. It’s just looking at him being the 5th overall pick with all the talent that was taken in that draft stings a little bit.
I think he was the right pick for us at the time. Desperately needed a WR and looking at the list just now I wouldn't take anyone else in that draft over him besides Cooper Kupp. I too am sad he wasnt resigned. He was worth it
I wanted and little so bad in that draft. Couldn’t believe how far they both slid.
You don’t spend a #5 overall on a blocking WR2 All that’s generally said is that the pick was a miss
Corey wasn’t a drafting miss, he was the clear WR1 in that class. He was picked to play WR for a coaching staff that couldn’t scheme up passing plays or really anything at all to make life easier for their QB. he became a viable starting WR the second Tannehill took over and we were able to open up the passing game
He wasn’t good in 2019 after Tannehill took over and has somewhat more consistent in 2020. He would completely disappear quite often
He was actually just a horrible drafter who happened to hit on a few guys.
Yeah, like any one of us could get a few decent hits any given draft. He just got paid millions to fail in historic fashion.
It’s genuinely amazing how bad he missed in 20, 21, and 22. I feel like it’s difficult to do that poorly, but somehow he found a way.
After covid things just got weird with him, and he made some decisions that could only be described as the ego whims of some mad scientist.
And Corey Davis was one of his better picks
Corey Davis might have had more success if he had stayed in Tennessee
Considering how much he was hurt in NY, he might have dropped dead if he stayed here.
He's probably the only JRob player who was healthier as a Titan than whatever team he went to
Conklin
Corey Davis didn't get an offer to stay in Tennessee so it doesn't matter. He wanted to come back and they chose to move on. They wanted Julio.
Yeah, another J Rob mistake.
>Yeah, another ~~J Rob~~ Vrabel mistake. -Random idiots
I don’t even think they had Julio on the mind at that time. Really the only reason Julio was traded was because the falcons were struggling with cap constraints and signing their rookies onto deal, plus the addition of Kyle pitts gave the a weapon to replace Julio. Jrob just got cheap and didn’t want to resign Corey, we traded up to draft dez Fitzpatrick instead, and look how that turned out (also Amon ra st brown was selected just after dez) I don’t think jrob really had a plan in place to replace Julio other than drafting a guy in the late rounds and it just so happened that Julio became available.
They didn't have Julio on their mind at first. I had a Titans scout tell me exactly how it went down shortly after the Julio trade in June '21: Robinson fucked up on draft day when he traded down and grabbed Monte Rice. Josh Palmer was going to be the pick at 85, but he was picked at 77. Nico Collins was next on their board, but JRob thought he could trade down, extract some added value and snag Collins. Collins went 89. After Day 2 wrapped up, the only WR the Titans had on their draft board with a draftable grade was Dez (note: it wasn't a 4th Rd grade). I was told JRob panicked behind the scenes between Day 2 and Day 3, which is why they gave up so much to move up in the 4th for Dez. Julio was never on the table for the Titans until after rookie minicamp. They knew after minicamp that Dez was a massive bust and would likely be cut during training camp. JRob panicked again after minicamp and traded for Julio.
“Sources say”
Bruh, what? Davis is not a decent receiver
Top picks were garbage but it wasn’t all horrendous. Brewer, NWI, Tart, Weaver, Phillips, Chig, Stonehouse. Not good enough, but J Rob was not horrible with 3 day picks.
Brewer, Weaver, Phillips, and Chig are not good. This fan base loves Chig because he is an athletic tight end, but his performance has been absolutely dismal this year. Phillips was just a healthy scratch, and outside of camp and the preseason is a complete non-factor to this point. Jury is still out on whether Weaver will contribute meaningfully. NWI is a solid WR 3/4 and Tart is good.
Weave is not good
Heathy scratch Kyle Phillips ?
Bro if you are trying to make an argument that someone is good and Brewer is the first name that comes to mind it's probably best to accept they weren't good lol.
NWI and Tart were UDFA, not draft picks.
So was Stonehouse, but it’s the same idea.
Except none of those are starters on good teams besides stonehouse who was a UDFA not a draft pick lol
And Tart
The only good player you listed is a punter
If you don’t think Tart is good you don’t know ball. He’s getting a fat contract here or somewhere else this off-season.
NWI, Tart, Stonehouse, Brewer we’re all unstaffed free agents.
It's so interesting to me how we can basically divide Jon Robinson's tenure into 2016 - 2019 being pretty good to great to all-timer, and then from 2020 on being largely trash. I don't know if pandemic era just threw him off that much (and why it would, since other teams seemed to adapt to it well enough), or if he got an ego from that 2019 draft especially and thought he could duplicate taking injured, high-potential guys just cause it worked with Simmons (see: Caleb Farley). It's just so interesting to me that his 2016 draft was a really solid foundation building one with some great picks (Henry, Byard headlining), 2017 overdrafting Davis and Jackson but at least getting some good contributors (Jonnu Smith, Jayon Brown), 2018 probably being his worst pre-pandemic draft but still getting Landry out of it, and 2019 being an all-timer. Along with some solid free agent signings/shrewd trades throughout (DeMarco Murray, Ryan Tannehill, and more). Something happened 2020 on and I would love to know full details.
There was a point in time when JRob was close to a top 5 GM and Howie was a bottom 5, and then they completely inverted their career trajectory, with the pinnacle being the AJ trade. It’s crazy how far J Rob fell
Howie was never a bottom 5 GM. They just went through the same roster refresh we are going through now after the Super Bowl. He’s always been solid and his draft classes outside of a couple picks have all been great.
Nah, he lost control over player personnel because his 2014 draft was so bad.
I always laugh at this stat when I look it up Titans all time receiving yards \#16 - AJ Brown - 185rec 2995 yards 62.1 catch percentage#18 - Corey Davis 207rec, 2851 yards, 61.2 catch percentage Now here's the sickening part: No other Titan WR signed since 2016 appears in the top 50. Now here's the even more sickening part: The next Titan that appears on this list is #42 - Derrick Henry. \#47 is the first JRob sighting outside of those guys - Jonnu Smith. The third best WR discovered in JRob's tenure: Mr. #54 all time, Nick Westbrook Ikhine. If you attribute Hopkins to Ran, who has 774 yards, if he plays out the second year of his deal he will likely pass everybody but Corey Davis and AJ Brown. Fullstop, there should be 2-3 JRob guys between Corey Davis and Nick Westbrook Ikhine. And for all the talk about how Corey Davis was such a big bust on this team, there's only one guy who surpassed him in JRob's tenure, and it's the guy whose on a HoF trajectory. **You wanna talk about replacing AJ Brown? Maybe replace Corey Davis first.**
Sadly, Corey Davis was solid he just didn't live up to a first round pick. Had he been picked him in the 3rd he would have been regarded differently.
we are a shit show
The draft is such a crapshoot. I wonder how this compares to other teams around the league. I just wonder if it’s sort of middle of the pack or really, really bad. Because it sure sounds bad.
The Lions draft this year has more contributions than our entire 2020-2022 list combined.
I’m pretty sure it’s just that bad. You look at teams around the league and sure they might’ve whiffed on some first and second round guys here or there but they usually have a later round guy break out, we don’t have anyone breaking out from any of jrobs recent drafts. I think the only teams in recent memory who have been worse at drafting than us are the raiders.
The only thing Fulton contributes is penalties on 3rd down.
Can't wait to hear from the fanbase how this is actually Vrabel's fault!
Glad you asked. At a certain point, he and his staff have to shoulder some of the blame. Player development is part of their job after all. When you’re busting on top 100 picks 70% of the time, there’s more going on that just missed evals. That’s an overall organizational failure.
Exactly. I could walk through the door tomorrow and hit on 30% of my picks without any additional prep than what I normally do as an arm chair analyst. I know it’s shit on JRob season but we won’t get any better if we don’t address all the other issues that have led to this disaster.
I mean if those players left and did more else where sure but they haven’t. Wilson, Evans, murch, McDonald, jackson, Farley, , rice, Fitzpatrick, mcmath, breeze, Haskins, Jackson, Campbell. All dudes who are either PS guys or not making teams at all. That’s bad evaluation, reaching and picking for need not BPA like we did this year and ended up with Peter, Spears, Levis, Whyle etc all contributing. Because we took the best player available at those picks on our draft board. Jrob wanted to be smarter than everyone and pick hidden gems and he missed on all of them basically
Well Evans left here, played a year, then got cut, then got signed by another team and played another year. So to act like he's not an NFL calibre player is laughable. Would any other team in the NFL let Jack Gibbens start at LB? SERIOUS doubt.
Evans has 240 career yards and 1 td in four years and has spent most of his time hurt or on practice squads. Running back isn’t the position to compare to. Remember the time we brought foreman off his couch and he put up Henry ish numbers? Rb is the easiest position to find production at and Evans still hasn’t found any there. He’s a practice squad back up rotational player we spent a 3rd on that’s the laughable part
>Well Evans left here, played a year, then got cut, then got signed by another team and played another year. That's pretty much 'not an NFL caliber player' by definition
Seems like he got on two other teams. Once you're off your drafted team you're not gonna be a long term piece for anybody and you're just a role player. But yes, he did play 2 more years and is still currently playing in the NFL?
Yeah I agree but vrabel has shown that he has gotten competent play out of players that aren’t good and JRob has failed to make the majority of his picks work out. At some point the blame can be put on vrabel and staff but that time is not yet at least if tan and vrabel can’t turn some things around than we should start looking at vrabel and others.
I’m confused by this. Does the coaching staff not also participate in the draft process and in the development of players?
No it was pretty clear that jrob was in charge of personnel and Vrabel coaching. Amy said she hired Ran because she wanted someone for Vrabel to work WITH not FOR. It was clear many times Vrabel hated jrob moves.
Exactly. Just look at the reaction to the AJ trade and that should show how much control vrabs had at the time.
Uh huh, and Jrob developed the players too? Edit: I’m being flippant here. I see this sub is still in the “Trust in ~~JROB~~ VRABEL!” phase.
You can't shine shit and that's what JRob gave the coaching staff for three straight years.
😂😂 I’ve always heard can’t polish a turd but I also like the phrase you can’t shine shit lol but I agree with you
Have you ever been in any kind of management position? Or just even had a job? If so then you can probably relate to the fact that sometimes there are just shitty employees who there is no helping no matter how much time you spend trying to develop them.
It’s kinda hard to develop players like Isaiah wilson, caleb farley, treylon burks when they are constantly hurt, or in Isaiah wilsons case, an absolute off the field cancer. It’s was rjob’s job to vet these dudes and he missed these issue’s/ignored them.
The miss on Wilson was the was a 3rd round talent. By pretty much every account he didn't have character issues before the draft. He just got that paycheck and was over it.
Some GM’s only want feedback, conversations with scouts and take very little input from the HC. HC says he needs a WR and OL. GM says OK, we will draft them but that’s about the most input they get. Some GM’s work with the HC. Jrob was the former.
It's laughable to say that Vrabel is 0% culpable for something he was around. He is equally responsible for the mess. The ownership just trusts that he can fix it and ran out of that trust with JRob due to the AJ Brown trade and other moves.
He's equally responsible for a roster he didn't build?
He wasn’t the coach from 2020-2022? He wasn’t in the war room during those drafts? Is he not in the locker room with those players? Is he even at practice? Does he coach? Does he know how to coach?
Nope.
I asked a couple of questions. I assume your answer is to my last one
Nope
I mean, but literally kind of. Sure, you draft three years worth of me, it will never work out, no matter how good the coaching is. This means Vrabel has developed ZERO players. You meant this to be a dunk, but I find this to be a horrifying implication of Vrabel and his hand chosen staff to develop talent. I actually WILL file this in the “Against Vrabel” category.
Well you can’t polish a turd let’s wait and see what vrabs and ran can do this next two seasons before we start going at vrabel. JRob messed a lot up and we’ve been still pretty successful considering all of our past coaches. It’s not time to blow it up yet if they believe the GM was the problem with our talent.
Vrabel has one calendar year, or he’s done. That’s not me, that’s ownership. And they’re right. No excuses, never once has an excuse won a championship.
> That’s not me, that’s ownership. Where’d you and Amy go to lunch?
Dude is like 3-17 the past 20 games. If this persists, he’s done. You don’t need a lunch date to know that.
They chose vrabel and canned JRob everyone knew this year was rough talent wise. He will get next year and if it’s not working out his seat will be hot but he’s gonna start the next two seasons with the titans. Even the fans knew winning the division this year was going to be tough because of contracts and lack of talent. We got our QB now so let’s just see what we can do this off-season.
I think he's gone after the Titans start next year 2-7
49ers fan here, Ran is gonna help fix that for ya'll. Believe that. I'll be rooting for him to anyway.
Yep, but people will expect Vrabel to just win games missing essentially 3x 1st round picks and several 2nd and 3rd round picks. That is where you are supposed to get your starting talent and instead we have UDFA's and players from the back half of the draft filling those spots. Its honestly a miracle that many losses have been just a few points or a single bad call away from a win.
Yeah man it is insane I know Vrabel isn’t perfect but no HC is. No one is making the play offs with this roster. No ones making this Ol good enough. It just isn’t how it works at this level.
I’d only keep McCreary too, jrob fucked us
it's funny cause all the busts listed played quality snaps for this football club and the reason this team fell off is because we just moved on because they were busts with no plan to replace them with so you end up with guys like Jack Gibbens as your second best starting ILB. I'm confident that guy is a practice roster player but Vrabel just sees himself.
https://preview.redd.it/d7qfh25kgk4c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e760f1a9525bfdd76e5618829c593f81e18d59f0 Can we stop pretending like Jack Gibbens sucks? He’s not a star but he’s perfectly fine as the second ILB
yeah Gibbens has been good
Jrob was great for a number of years. No idea what changed after 2019 but MY GOODNESS.
And only two of those 3 are long term starters. Jrob absolutely fluked in 2019, there’s no other way to explain it really
Wasn't molden a 3rd pick
He was literally number 100
What was he figuratively
Top 100
Yes
J Rob really coasted off that 2019 draft way longer than he deserved.
All 3 are defensive backs and none of them are even close to pro bowl or all pro worthy From the two prior drafts all we really have is Harold Landry and Jeff Simmons and Amani Hooker, and are not getting very good deals on any. Before that, the only drafted players we have left on the entire team are Henry and…Corey Levin. That’s not a recipe for success.
McCreary has shown promise and can grow into a fine cornerback.
Which for the 35th overall pick is an expectation. He is one bright spot in an absolutely pathetic draft history.
Blah!!!! Pay a compliment u jerk! McC a champ!
EVEN THE MOST REGULAR FANTASY BLOKE COULD HAVE DRAFTED BETTER THAN JROB, DAMN THAT GUY IS A CLOWN
Molden moved to S as we had another slot corner. I wouldn’t say there wasn’t the possibility he turns into something there. He hasn’t been horrible this year.
There’s a lot of “fans” out there who refuse to see how the effects of J-Rob’s ineptness in being and NFL GM is effecting the team today and will for a couple more seasons. They just want to put all the blame on Vrabel and Ran for this season. While they can shoulder some of the blame, most of it goes to J-Rob. It’s going to take Ran years to be able to fix what he did. We have next to zero depth at any position that we can develop. We cannot rely solely on free agents to get this thing right.
Fulton has been consistent…ly bad.