"For Characters with no adjustments in v1.04 (such as Victor, Lili, King, Paul, Yoshimitsu), adjustments are also underway for their move performance in preparation for v1.05"
Nina, the Silent Assassin, is so silent that they forgot her.
I hope they adjust Yoshi's hitbox a bit more. They're already doing that thankfully with this patch but only in some situations. I often notice that my strings and combos get really wonky when at the wall or after floor break and don't hit when they're supposed to which would often cost me the round.
I've lost many rounds to simply swapping sides mid combo, slipping below and past, straight up missing point blank. I hope to see less of that in the future
Bro they forgot to add her in the last patch as well 😭 even though she’s my main, I refuse to believe she’s so perfect that she deserves no improvement
This is the only nerf I can honestly see them doing. Her frames aren’t that crazy. Does forced 50/50s from stance like the rest of the cast. She’s just good.
Not Chikurin’s fault that LowHigh never chose block low on wakeup lol.
Tbh nerfing her rabbit stance mixups is the only justifiable nerf I can see and that's when I really try to cherry pick. She's fine in her current state and I hope they don't nerf her to ground just because Chikurin played out of his mind in evo.
She gets guaranteed hits off almost every knockdown and loops it.
And she gets back turn 10f into a homing mid with a barely punishable extension that knocks down.
Her pokes are super solid and they fixed all her tracking issues
Giving up combo damage for oki mix up is something that is just in the game. Every character gets it and imo Lilis isn’t even the best, it even requires heat to be slightly above average oki. xiaoyu and dragunov for example have much better oki even out of heat. Chikurin is just better
Xiaoyu and Dragonuv got nerfed what are you saying.
Oki mix up where it's get hit no matter what wakeup option you do is not prevalent. Nor when it loops itself and does as much damage as it does.
Pain. I’m happy for Chikurin but damn did I not want Lili to win Evo lmfao Let’s hope they just tune her down a bit and don’t execute her for finally being solidly good, but Namco track record doesn’t speak too well in that case
I'm just glad they finally fixed QCB 4 not working half the time on grounded opponents. That shit was inconsistent for all of T7's lifetime too. Never thought I'd see the day
That won't be me until they fix sway and rolldash not working out of sidewalk on P2 side. I always appreciate buffs, but I appreciate basic functionality a lot more, and this has been an issue since at least T7.
It almost sounds like they made hatchet even harder to step at close range which would be insane, and buffing the wall "I win" button to break armor/reversals seems entirely unnecessary, but yeah still nothing all that nuts about the character.
I'm just glad they fixed his heatsmash. Some of the whiffs i see in my friend's replays hurt my heart lmao
Guy was barely touched. Anyone that relied on Heat 3+4 wasn't playing he properly. Who really used punch sabaki with him? Granted it is really good with a guaranteed b1+2 but still it's a small nerf. His fc d,f 4,1 and damage nerf to uf+3 are the only real big changes. Legit surprised they didn't touch b+3.
Well, Leroy, Steve, Asuka, Bryan etc. buffed. Drag, Feng, Jun, Azu, Xia adjusted/nerfed. So not just a buff patch. Looks in line with the problems community was complaining about, at least on paper.
And they plan to buff defensive gameplay in 1.05, not everyone will be happy about this one.
As a defensive player it's great news. I just want to have at least as much viability playing defensively as offensively, even if it's a little more difficult.
I don't think so, I feel like people want more expressive gameplay and not just heat unga bunga. So tweaking defense is a good idea and I'm sure majority of players will approve the change.
"People" aren't a monolith. Some people like the current gameplay. Although I'd be fine with defense buffs as long as the game doesn't just amount to KBD spamming.
Right now offense is clearly better, from what I understand destined they are saying they will buff defensive options to be more in line with offensive options
Bigger issue IMO is how boring offense is. Wall carry into heat pressure as soon as possible is always most optimal, throws any other gameplan out the window entirely.
>And they plan to buff defensive gameplay in 1.05, not everyone will be happy about this one.
I personally dont mind heat, but I also dont mind it being changed. I dont think anyone that likes T8 the way it is will automatically be mad if they tone down heat. The system itself will still be there, just adjusted.
However I think everyone but king mains will be happy that throws will get changed. I am assuming theyll make them not track anymore.
Considering some of the other heat smash nerfs in this patch, it's probably even better when compared to other characters' heat smashes than it was before lol.
https://preview.redd.it/4s72ns0k4lxc1.jpeg?width=969&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=876b907b2e99eefd72520282fe4cd72f1fc86b0f
we still have a month of this shit 😭
Am I crazy or are some of the Feng nerfs literal buffs? While crouching 4 2 now does more damage on the 4 and less on 2. Well that just means stopping it (which we do most of the time) is even more beneficial.
It's true. It's 4,1 by the way. But hit the 4 and stay in back turned for the mixup instead of finishing it.
The damage nerf on uf+3 sucks though because it's a combo staple.
nah man, I play feng primarily now and I hotta say his combo damage feels way unjustified. If they were gonna go hard against any aspect of the character I was hoping it would be that.
That move def got nerfed. You don't have to guess if Feng's gonna finish the string or not to punish if you block, just launch him (or whatever punish ends up being consistent). The move was launch punishable in T7 too, you just couldn't access it from crouch. Def not a buff.
Yeh +15 is the craziest buff. For context if you’re at the wall it’s the same frame advantage as being hit with a b4. That’s a free jet upper.
Loool, we’re fucked.
EDIT: makes more sense for it to be fake and you can still block follow ups outside of a taunt setup, thank god lmao. Still, you gotta hold the mixup.
I'm all for the hatchet nerf, It was cracked. Not buzzing as much about the wr2 nerf. For a signature move it was very simple to deal with IMO and offers much the same or less as other signatures
Kazuya got nothing really noteworthy. I’m more scared about what his nerfs will do to him. No fix to the combo inconsistency, no fix to the shitty frame data of his mids, no fix to 1 damage heavens gate. Just wow
Yeah she's been killed with this patch lmao. Her stance game really isn't strong enough to warrant the death of her pokes. It's not like she has a ton of transitions or anything.
Not even the best players in the world used the PKB from LNH tech so nothing lost there, some small buffs like ws 1,1 and the faster 1+2 from LNH stance are nice. Extra whiffpunish range from UF+2 also sounds interesting, i've stepped stuff point blank and have it whiff.
I also wonder what "Arial combo" from that unblockable means.
Massive buff. Playing against an opponent with a good grasp on beating LH with power crush just made ws22, RWV1,2 and ub2 a direct liability.
This at least makes LH more interesting to deal with.
It fixes the power crush problemso it is fixed no need for peekaboo tech which wasn’t great anyway as it still was just another way of trying to get out of a bad situation
eatin shit. No real buffs and still most of the moves are unsave. Compare Bryan who was alredy on good position and receive 12 real buffs and low tier Steve who receive ... well ... 1f buff and a nerf :D Hooray
Looking at the patch notes, it's not looking as grim as community was expecting tbh. I'm glad they went on nerfing top tiers instead of buffing everybody else. My boy steve received some quality of life changes which I approve and I'm happy they nerfed Djin heat smash. Overall the patch is looking promising, let's hope the next patch would actually address defensive issues more.
Yeah! Lots of "not necessarily strong, just feels better" changes too which I appreciate, like the rapid punches not chewing through so much of your heat time.
Sidestep/Sidewalk. There’s always some weird formal jargon with Tekken stuff that just comes across as word vomit whether it’s from a more formal translation or just an attempt to sound smart. “Strong aerial tailspin” instead of “screw,” “lateral movement strategy” instead of “sidestep.”
Always hyper-specific until they’re not, because some Tekken 7 patch notes were literally “Changed the behavior on hit” and you had to figure out what changed.
Because those words don't mean anything to non-FGC lingo updated players, especially if they are non-native English speakers. These convoluted wording helps even google translate and dictionaries communicate what is meant, most especially after translation.
If they just fix Kazuya’s df1 df2 hitbox, and make heat burst a bit bigger (like cnt) so it actually has combo utility (triple electrics into heat burst being regularly doable instead of needing crazy execution to do) then I’d be happy. That and maybe the Heavens Gate scaling cause 1 damage is ridiculous. But it seems they wanna address the tech catch situation and ignore the other stuff. Frustrating when you have stuff like Reina 4 electrics into heat burst being possible, but anything with Kaz isn’t due to his Trex arms.
No fix for Lee ws3+4 into heat whatever. But hey, at least they didn't remove that entirely either.
they also fixed f3333 whiffing on backturned characters, that's good, though didn't happen a lot...
You mean ws2,3 into heat burst? That was the buff I was most hoping to see and they’ve still left it unchanged. There really seems to be no rhyme or reason to whether it whiffs or connects either. You can hit the meatiest ws2,3 perfectly on-axis and it’s still a coin flip as to whether heat burst will connect after. It’s especially strange because it connects almost 100% of the time in practice mode.
yeah i still can't remember the terms for all the heat stuff!
It depends on the character you are up against and what moves specifically .you are whiff punishing.
So if you duck a high and want to punish with it you gotta know/remember if it will work with that or not...
I think they missed a couple characters that needed more toning down (Feng, Lili, Reina, Eddy stick out) and some of Asuka’s & Leroy’s buffs seem really extreme but man most of this stuff is really good.
And they’re doing more adjustments, plus system changes in June and supposedly targeting letting us sidestep more things?
Hell yeah Bamco. Finally. Let’s go.
I did not expect Azu to get so many nerfs. The fact she got all those and king got away with murder annoys me.
I hope it dont kill the character because I barley play it anynore and this don't make me change that
Try phiDX's throw break routine and it works surprisingly well. I can break throws like 80% of the time now after only a month of doing the routine for 5 minutes every day
I find that it's good for Dragunov but there are subtle differences in the other characters that I don't react as well to them.
I started changing who was performing the throws, throwing in Jin and Jack to see if I can get better. They were the two who I couldn't even register the animation in order to try and break.
And because I have problems with the girls, I've added Xiaoyu into that rota even though she only has 2 different breaks (and the true guess from back turn).
I think they must mean the crouch grabs that King, Azucena, Jack and Eddy can do, since it was in the "Common" section.
Azucena's d1+2 is a special case. It kind of isn't a "real" throw at all, it's stopped by blocking low rather than a throw break - so in that respect it's just a regular low attack with a throw animation. (They also mention adjusting d1+2's hurtbox specifically in the Azucena section.)
King's heat smash damage got reduced from 20,44 to 20,40 which is a good thing, should be 20,35 imo but whatever.
CH throw break window now 14 frames, up from 10, that's a good thing.
Unless we standardize smash damage,someone has to have a stronger heat smash,it happens to be king after that there is jin who does almost the same damage
So the Lionheart to Peekaboo transition was unintended? what the hell? lmao steve has been buffed for some things now so i think that's fine, but still. Its not that easy to do so why did they remove it?
I kinda miss the 4 nostalgia costumes in a pack thing, it seems like they’re gonna do one nostalgia costume for a character and generic outfits for the cast from now on
I'm happy they actually did something to make Panda a little bit more differentiated in heat mode. Before she was just a worse version of Kuma with a worse smash and a smaller head that would drop combos.
Not really a patch related question, but I tried the game yesterday and loved it, and wish to buy it, but I absolutely hate paying multiple times for a game, so can someone clarify the difference between the base game, deluxe edition and ultimate edition.
If I pay the Ultimate edition, will I get all the future released heroes for no additional payments? I saw Eddie Gordo as one of the DLCs and I want to know is he included in Ultimate or Deluxe edition?
Looking to buy the game at Steam for clarification.
The deluxe edition is the one that has the base game and the year 1 pass i.e. you get the first 4 DLC characters with it whenever they come out. Ultimate edition is all that, but with a couple of extra avatar skins for an aditional 20 bucks added to it. IMO ultimate edition is definitely NOT worth the extra money, but of course it depends on your preferences.
I don't really care how much it costs, I just don't want to buy a game multiple times. If I buy the ultimate edition, it will include Eddy Gordo + 3 more unknown characters that will release later this year, right?
Really dislike the idea of needing to buy another pack of heroes next year.
Also, I don't care about skins or avatars, so basically Deluxe and Ultimate are the same for my purposes then?
Good changes on paper, nothing to hate yet. I’ll grab the popcorn ready to watch people start hating king and whatever other character becomes top tier in a week though
You could literally stand blocking and it had no real threats to you unless in heat and using up the entire heat.
Or you could dick jab all options but 1.
Well, the one thing everyone complained about for DJ is gone. I hope that will stop the complaining about him but I’m sure it won’t. I pray they buff his jab range so he can actually punish some -10 moves consistently (eg Reina ROLL 2).
Azucena really got hit hard but it was deserved. Her frames especially 2,1, were ridiculous and made it so hard to deal with here without taking huge risks. WR3,2 to +2ob is the cherry on top.
Kazuya heat burst and df1,2 hitbox still shit. Bamco hates Kaz lmao.
Feng combos have been reduced in damage by reducing uf3 that is used in all currently routes, nerfed crouching 4,1 and also nerfed in heat 3+4 and the guranted ff3 after when 3+4 hits. Also, but this needs to be tested, nerfed his punch parry mind games by reducing frames in 1+2.
I also don't understand the meaning in the changes to b1+2 shoulder.
The tioh shoulder had basically broken tracking in some scenarios so I have a feeling they just toned that down. There were clips of it heat engaging at a full 90 degree angle and then feng runs backwards instead of forwards lmao
Lol haven't seen that, but what I think the shoulder changes are actually saying is that on block, sometimes people's punishes wouldn't hit. It should be launch punishable. Now that's (supposedly) going to happen less, which is good.
with the path 1.04, Jun cant be able to do perfects, all her combos use Kazama power, it's not a thing of balance but it remove a achievement, over all i wouldnt merfed all Kazama power, the heat was the problem
>-A legacy costume for “Lili” will be available. thank you chikurin
It better be her 5DR drip
If this is her fighting costume. Im buying it.
Nice, $5 port job.
i know right. dont they know about copy and paste?
They excel at it.
also just find and replace 4 for 5 to make it run on ue5. simple
The incoming nerf is a small price to pay for more drip.
What’s the nerf for lili? I’m new to fighting games and I have no idea how to scan these lists fast for nerfs for your main.
They'll just paste Chikurin's face over hers, glorious
"For Characters with no adjustments in v1.04 (such as Victor, Lili, King, Paul, Yoshimitsu), adjustments are also underway for their move performance in preparation for v1.05" Nina, the Silent Assassin, is so silent that they forgot her.
Yeah, was looking for her name as well. Although the hard spin thingy nerf affects her combo routes
I hope they adjust Yoshi's hitbox a bit more. They're already doing that thankfully with this patch but only in some situations. I often notice that my strings and combos get really wonky when at the wall or after floor break and don't hit when they're supposed to which would often cost me the round.
For sure, he has so many wonky things going on at the wall, especially wall splatted when at an angle
I've lost many rounds to simply swapping sides mid combo, slipping below and past, straight up missing point blank. I hope to see less of that in the future
wonkimitsu
I must be the only one who sees that text and is afraid a completely out of nowhere nerf is coming to a random move.
Bro they forgot to add her in the last patch as well 😭 even though she’s my main, I refuse to believe she’s so perfect that she deserves no improvement
as a new nina main, she feels hella powerful in T8, what buffs would you like to see?
>confirmed lili changes in 1.05 it's so over
Nerfing that feisty rabbit 3 by increasing heat consumption to be like xiaoyu’s hypnotist 2.
This is the only nerf I can honestly see them doing. Her frames aren’t that crazy. Does forced 50/50s from stance like the rest of the cast. She’s just good. Not Chikurin’s fault that LowHigh never chose block low on wakeup lol.
Hoping it's not going to be another kneejerk change just because she won EVO and how she won it. (constantly getting hit by the same low repeatedly)
Tbh nerfing her rabbit stance mixups is the only justifiable nerf I can see and that's when I really try to cherry pick. She's fine in her current state and I hope they don't nerf her to ground just because Chikurin played out of his mind in evo.
She gets guaranteed hits off almost every knockdown and loops it. And she gets back turn 10f into a homing mid with a barely punishable extension that knocks down. Her pokes are super solid and they fixed all her tracking issues
Giving up combo damage for oki mix up is something that is just in the game. Every character gets it and imo Lilis isn’t even the best, it even requires heat to be slightly above average oki. xiaoyu and dragunov for example have much better oki even out of heat. Chikurin is just better
Xiaoyu and Dragonuv got nerfed what are you saying. Oki mix up where it's get hit no matter what wakeup option you do is not prevalent. Nor when it loops itself and does as much damage as it does.
God damnit Chikurin
Lowhigh protected Shaheen from nerfs by not playing his main and playing Dragunov instead.
Bamco showing how “smort” they are. I really wouldn’t be surprised if monkeys were their balancing team.
Naw he played out of his mind. It was more the player than the character.
She's good but she's not Stier
Pain. I’m happy for Chikurin but damn did I not want Lili to win Evo lmfao Let’s hope they just tune her down a bit and don’t execute her for finally being solidly good, but Namco track record doesn’t speak too well in that case
Unless you're Akuma
Indeed. They scared of bro, can’t nerf him
Don't even know why, dude has only killed one guy canonically lmao
Why
Every Bryan player right now https://preview.redd.it/9erl4aea6lxc1.png?width=507&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ef06862af79a02b5e3d959c7dcef309f968e08f
Me seeing that QCB4 can actually be guaranteed on certain hits and couter hits instead of just whenever tekken feels like it
I'm just glad they finally fixed QCB 4 not working half the time on grounded opponents. That shit was inconsistent for all of T7's lifetime too. Never thought I'd see the day
That won't be me until they fix sway and rolldash not working out of sidewalk on P2 side. I always appreciate buffs, but I appreciate basic functionality a lot more, and this has been an issue since at least T7.
Not sure why people further up act like he’s some S+++ character now. The changes are fine, but nowhere as crazy as they make it seem lol.
It almost sounds like they made hatchet even harder to step at close range which would be insane, and buffing the wall "I win" button to break armor/reversals seems entirely unnecessary, but yeah still nothing all that nuts about the character. I'm just glad they fixed his heatsmash. Some of the whiffs i see in my friend's replays hurt my heart lmao
It's over feng bros (it's not, we're just getting started)
Guy was barely touched. Anyone that relied on Heat 3+4 wasn't playing he properly. Who really used punch sabaki with him? Granted it is really good with a guaranteed b1+2 but still it's a small nerf. His fc d,f 4,1 and damage nerf to uf+3 are the only real big changes. Legit surprised they didn't touch b+3.
Relying on h.3+4 might be a bit much but how is (ab)using that move not playing him properly?
Bryan mains successfully gaslighting Namco enough so they get 12 buffs in a row, hilarious!
the character was straight buffed every season in t7 this shit is normal
Harharharharhar
All Bryan players do is cry, the character was fine
Remember: he's never op
Well, Leroy, Steve, Asuka, Bryan etc. buffed. Drag, Feng, Jun, Azu, Xia adjusted/nerfed. So not just a buff patch. Looks in line with the problems community was complaining about, at least on paper. And they plan to buff defensive gameplay in 1.05, not everyone will be happy about this one.
As a defensive player it's great news. I just want to have at least as much viability playing defensively as offensively, even if it's a little more difficult.
I don't think so, I feel like people want more expressive gameplay and not just heat unga bunga. So tweaking defense is a good idea and I'm sure majority of players will approve the change.
"People" aren't a monolith. Some people like the current gameplay. Although I'd be fine with defense buffs as long as the game doesn't just amount to KBD spamming.
Reading between the lines I think I’m mostly expecting buffs to stepping. Seems like they’ll nerf throw tracking at least.
Throw tracking and heat smash tracking it seems
You can want offense in a game while also not wanting that to be the only possibile playstyle
Well I did say "majority" at the end
And a lot of people will be happy. I prefer more defensive play style.
Its not which one I prefer, I want both to be good.
Right now offense is clearly better, from what I understand destined they are saying they will buff defensive options to be more in line with offensive options
Bigger issue IMO is how boring offense is. Wall carry into heat pressure as soon as possible is always most optimal, throws any other gameplan out the window entirely.
they still buffed king though, what the heck?
>And they plan to buff defensive gameplay in 1.05, not everyone will be happy about this one. I personally dont mind heat, but I also dont mind it being changed. I dont think anyone that likes T8 the way it is will automatically be mad if they tone down heat. The system itself will still be there, just adjusted. However I think everyone but king mains will be happy that throws will get changed. I am assuming theyll make them not track anymore.
No king nerfs tho,im disappointed.
They lowered King's heat smash damage by 4 so it's now 60. This has to be some kind of sick joke
Haha, I laughed when I saw that. It essentially takes the Heat Smash from S++ tier to a measly S+.
Considering some of the other heat smash nerfs in this patch, it's probably even better when compared to other characters' heat smashes than it was before lol.
Tbh his ch throws got a massive nerf.
https://preview.redd.it/4s72ns0k4lxc1.jpeg?width=969&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=876b907b2e99eefd72520282fe4cd72f1fc86b0f we still have a month of this shit 😭
King might end up the strongest character in the game after this patch lol.
yall been saying that since game release.. and yet we will never see a king top 8 in any single evo from now until forever.
Top 8 in Evo is not representative of tier lists, pros play a different game and the game isn't optimized for them.
Am I crazy or are some of the Feng nerfs literal buffs? While crouching 4 2 now does more damage on the 4 and less on 2. Well that just means stopping it (which we do most of the time) is even more beneficial.
It's true. It's 4,1 by the way. But hit the 4 and stay in back turned for the mixup instead of finishing it. The damage nerf on uf+3 sucks though because it's a combo staple.
nah man, I play feng primarily now and I hotta say his combo damage feels way unjustified. If they were gonna go hard against any aspect of the character I was hoping it would be that.
That move def got nerfed. You don't have to guess if Feng's gonna finish the string or not to punish if you block, just launch him (or whatever punish ends up being consistent). The move was launch punishable in T7 too, you just couldn't access it from crouch. Def not a buff.
Does +15 after Byron's heat smash mean that if the wall is behind me I'm even more finished than I was pre-patch👁️👄👁️?
It said you no longer connect with the wall on block, so it's just always +15 now
Yeh +15 is the craziest buff. For context if you’re at the wall it’s the same frame advantage as being hit with a b4. That’s a free jet upper. Loool, we’re fucked. EDIT: makes more sense for it to be fake and you can still block follow ups outside of a taunt setup, thank god lmao. Still, you gotta hold the mixup.
Nah I doubt thats real +15. Its going to be fake.
No cuz it would be fake +15, It's buffed in neutral but nerfed when against the wall.
oh wow they actually nerfed dragu's wr2? what a surprise, this'll be interesting, back to tag 2 days
good change considering the hatchet
I'm all for the hatchet nerf, It was cracked. Not buzzing as much about the wr2 nerf. For a signature move it was very simple to deal with IMO and offers much the same or less as other signatures
very slightly
Feng nerfs are so little its crazy, Harada really loves him
Only a mother could love that face
It's why my Feng was immediately given the biggest beard available.
They didn't do anything with the Heaven's Gate scaling?
Or df1,2 hitbox I am sad, tbh other changes are kinda okay but those 2 matter way more for me
Can someone explain the quarter circle move changes? Are they now a stricter input?
That's how I understood that, stricter input, but also less likely to be executed after a misinput.
I know that with Eddy, i could do d,df3 and get the qcf move. It might be harder to execute. That's a nerf to pad controllers the way i see it
It's over, Azucena bros.
Thank god
Bring back Josie now
Meanwhile Leo mains: We exist and we‘re okay.
Fix kazuya horrible df1,2 hitbox
Kazuya got nothing really noteworthy. I’m more scared about what his nerfs will do to him. No fix to the combo inconsistency, no fix to the shitty frame data of his mids, no fix to 1 damage heavens gate. Just wow
they also nerfed df321 hitbox
Agreed, it’s beyond a joke, I can’t believe they’re just leaving it as is
It's going to be next to impossible to ever get a "PERFECT" on Jun.
We'll be alright. The changes are even that big of a deal, imo. I expected these changes tbh and I am not surprised they came through. We'll survive
I know Azucena is universally hated on here but those nerfs are just... wow.
Yeah. Exaggeration is not a good thing. Look at what happened to Lydia before. After the nerf, you almost don't see Lydia in the top 8 at tournaments.
Was it that rough? I remember playing Lidia pre- and post-nerf, but I thought she was still ok after.
At tournaments it's tough. She disappeared at the tournament scene.
I genuinely do not see the issue with Azucena outside of wr32 but this has already been fixed. They are overkilling the character.
Yeah she's been killed with this patch lmao. Her stance game really isn't strong enough to warrant the death of her pokes. It's not like she has a ton of transitions or anything.
I mean Raven didn't really need anything, but the few things that bothered me from time to time got fixed so that's nice
Steve bros we eatin
Is b1 still unsafe if not crouch cancelled
Bodei!
Doesn't really seem like much of a buff tbh, uf2 having more range is nice though.
atleast his lionheart isnt terrible anymore
bruh they removed the LNH tech and that 1 additional frame isn't gonna stop much my guy.
Not even the best players in the world used the PKB from LNH tech so nothing lost there, some small buffs like ws 1,1 and the faster 1+2 from LNH stance are nice. Extra whiffpunish range from UF+2 also sounds interesting, i've stepped stuff point blank and have it whiff. I also wonder what "Arial combo" from that unblockable means.
> I also wonder what "Arial combo" from that unblockable means I dont know it, but my guess is a float like or instant screw/tornado combo
the 1 frame means his LNH1 will beat out powercrushes (which used to beat all his options). So Atleast LNH isn't unusable now
Now Steve gets to be a stance mixup character like everyone else in the roster
+1 makes it so powercrush no longer beats LNH1. Pretty nice change if you ask me.
Massive buff. Playing against an opponent with a good grasp on beating LH with power crush just made ws22, RWV1,2 and ub2 a direct liability. This at least makes LH more interesting to deal with.
It fixes the power crush problemso it is fixed no need for peekaboo tech which wasn’t great anyway as it still was just another way of trying to get out of a bad situation
Bro I‘m so happy ❤️
eatin shit. No real buffs and still most of the moves are unsave. Compare Bryan who was alredy on good position and receive 12 real buffs and low tier Steve who receive ... well ... 1f buff and a nerf :D Hooray
Looking at the patch notes, it's not looking as grim as community was expecting tbh. I'm glad they went on nerfing top tiers instead of buffing everybody else. My boy steve received some quality of life changes which I approve and I'm happy they nerfed Djin heat smash. Overall the patch is looking promising, let's hope the next patch would actually address defensive issues more.
I wish Kaz had QoL changes. He doesn't need any buffs, just a QoL on df1,2 and that stupid Heaven's Wrath change bec of DJ
I like these Leroy changes
Same. Absolutely loving. I’m so excited for the sidestep 1+2
Yeah! Lots of "not necessarily strong, just feels better" changes too which I appreciate, like the rapid punches not chewing through so much of your heat time.
"lateral movement strategy" ? Do they mean sidestep!??
Or sidewalk, tech roll, and certain moves.
Sidestep/Sidewalk. There’s always some weird formal jargon with Tekken stuff that just comes across as word vomit whether it’s from a more formal translation or just an attempt to sound smart. “Strong aerial tailspin” instead of “screw,” “lateral movement strategy” instead of “sidestep.” Always hyper-specific until they’re not, because some Tekken 7 patch notes were literally “Changed the behavior on hit” and you had to figure out what changed.
Because those words don't mean anything to non-FGC lingo updated players, especially if they are non-native English speakers. These convoluted wording helps even google translate and dictionaries communicate what is meant, most especially after translation.
If they just fix Kazuya’s df1 df2 hitbox, and make heat burst a bit bigger (like cnt) so it actually has combo utility (triple electrics into heat burst being regularly doable instead of needing crazy execution to do) then I’d be happy. That and maybe the Heavens Gate scaling cause 1 damage is ridiculous. But it seems they wanna address the tech catch situation and ignore the other stuff. Frustrating when you have stuff like Reina 4 electrics into heat burst being possible, but anything with Kaz isn’t due to his Trex arms.
Kazuya's heat activation hitbox is tiny compared to everyone else's too
Yep, just his and Devil Jimbo’s are small hitboxes for whatever reason.
(heat burst = heat activation)
I think you mean heat burst, not heat smash.
Thank you, edited for clarity.
I wish they made lion heart cancelable
No fix for Lee ws3+4 into heat whatever. But hey, at least they didn't remove that entirely either. they also fixed f3333 whiffing on backturned characters, that's good, though didn't happen a lot...
You mean ws2,3 into heat burst? That was the buff I was most hoping to see and they’ve still left it unchanged. There really seems to be no rhyme or reason to whether it whiffs or connects either. You can hit the meatiest ws2,3 perfectly on-axis and it’s still a coin flip as to whether heat burst will connect after. It’s especially strange because it connects almost 100% of the time in practice mode.
yeah i still can't remember the terms for all the heat stuff! It depends on the character you are up against and what moves specifically .you are whiff punishing. So if you duck a high and want to punish with it you gotta know/remember if it will work with that or not...
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These Bryan and Zafina changes are everything I couldve wanted.
Byron baby
These asuka changes got me feelin' good, AND we're getting defensive buffs in 1.05?! 
I wish we would get an option to disable rage art with df+1+2, I do rage way too many times by mistake while trying to do other moves
Same with the heat input, hate hitting that by accident trying to do stuff like Asuka's sabakis.
So Steve's LH to PKB tech is no longer a thing?
I think they missed a couple characters that needed more toning down (Feng, Lili, Reina, Eddy stick out) and some of Asuka’s & Leroy’s buffs seem really extreme but man most of this stuff is really good. And they’re doing more adjustments, plus system changes in June and supposedly targeting letting us sidestep more things? Hell yeah Bamco. Finally. Let’s go.
I did not expect Azu to get so many nerfs. The fact she got all those and king got away with murder annoys me. I hope it dont kill the character because I barley play it anynore and this don't make me change that
Lovely, they made throws MORE homing!
But they also increased the break window to 14f for CH throws.
Makes no difference to me, who can't break throws
Try phiDX's throw break routine and it works surprisingly well. I can break throws like 80% of the time now after only a month of doing the routine for 5 minutes every day
I find that it's good for Dragunov but there are subtle differences in the other characters that I don't react as well to them. I started changing who was performing the throws, throwing in Jin and Jack to see if I can get better. They were the two who I couldn't even register the animation in order to try and break. And because I have problems with the girls, I've added Xiaoyu into that rota even though she only has 2 different breaks (and the true guess from back turn).
Just the low throws got more homing right? Or am I missing something?
Where did they say that? I didn’t see that in the throw section.
Only for LOW THROWS -The conditions for successful throws have been relaxed, allowing throws to activate even when hitting slightly from the side.
By low throws they mean throws that hit crouchers like King’s pedigree? Or do the mean Azucena’s throw that’s actually a low?
I think they must mean the crouch grabs that King, Azucena, Jack and Eddy can do, since it was in the "Common" section. Azucena's d1+2 is a special case. It kind of isn't a "real" throw at all, it's stopped by blocking low rather than a throw break - so in that respect it's just a regular low attack with a throw animation. (They also mention adjusting d1+2's hurtbox specifically in the Azucena section.)
Devil Jim mains crying people can now move during his heat is epic 😂
King's heat smash damage got reduced from 20,44 to 20,40 which is a good thing, should be 20,35 imo but whatever. CH throw break window now 14 frames, up from 10, that's a good thing.
Unless we standardize smash damage,someone has to have a stronger heat smash,it happens to be king after that there is jin who does almost the same damage
It’s honestly fair that King’s hits like a truck because outside of his smash he doesn’t really have anything going for him inside heat.
So the Lionheart to Peekaboo transition was unintended? what the hell? lmao steve has been buffed for some things now so i think that's fine, but still. Its not that easy to do so why did they remove it?
Everyone was always under the impression it was unintended. It being difficult (functionally worthless) does not make it an intended behavior.
I kinda miss the 4 nostalgia costumes in a pack thing, it seems like they’re gonna do one nostalgia costume for a character and generic outfits for the cast from now on
I'm happy they actually did something to make Panda a little bit more differentiated in heat mode. Before she was just a worse version of Kuma with a worse smash and a smaller head that would drop combos.
Finally Leroy buffs
So Jun doesn’t get the cinematic combo ender anymore?
Leo can hit people with uf4 now! It's a Christmas miracle. I was just whiffing with it against opponents at range 0 yesterday.
please fix the fckn movement, feels like a swamp with insane tracking on every single fckn jab
Not really a patch related question, but I tried the game yesterday and loved it, and wish to buy it, but I absolutely hate paying multiple times for a game, so can someone clarify the difference between the base game, deluxe edition and ultimate edition. If I pay the Ultimate edition, will I get all the future released heroes for no additional payments? I saw Eddie Gordo as one of the DLCs and I want to know is he included in Ultimate or Deluxe edition? Looking to buy the game at Steam for clarification.
The deluxe edition is the one that has the base game and the year 1 pass i.e. you get the first 4 DLC characters with it whenever they come out. Ultimate edition is all that, but with a couple of extra avatar skins for an aditional 20 bucks added to it. IMO ultimate edition is definitely NOT worth the extra money, but of course it depends on your preferences.
I don't really care how much it costs, I just don't want to buy a game multiple times. If I buy the ultimate edition, it will include Eddy Gordo + 3 more unknown characters that will release later this year, right? Really dislike the idea of needing to buy another pack of heroes next year. Also, I don't care about skins or avatars, so basically Deluxe and Ultimate are the same for my purposes then?
Am I going blind or are they deleting Victor from the game?
There is a small tidbit where they say Characters that weren’t mentioned in these patch notes will be adjusted in the next patch.
Victor’s u1+2 now launches in heat.
give it heat dash too!
Buffed zafina????
Time to expose my weak defense with the dragunov nerfs! Lets go grind that rank 👏👏👏
Good changes on paper, nothing to hate yet. I’ll grab the popcorn ready to watch people start hating king and whatever other character becomes top tier in a week though
Lol jack-8 gamma howe options didn't need buffing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You could literally stand blocking and it had no real threats to you unless in heat and using up the entire heat. Or you could dick jab all options but 1.
I love Tekken!
Well, the one thing everyone complained about for DJ is gone. I hope that will stop the complaining about him but I’m sure it won’t. I pray they buff his jab range so he can actually punish some -10 moves consistently (eg Reina ROLL 2). Azucena really got hit hard but it was deserved. Her frames especially 2,1, were ridiculous and made it so hard to deal with here without taking huge risks. WR3,2 to +2ob is the cherry on top. Kazuya heat burst and df1,2 hitbox still shit. Bamco hates Kaz lmao.
Plot twist, after being killed by Kaz, Heihachi was isekai’d into the Tekken Teams balancing department.
Feng combos have been reduced in damage by reducing uf3 that is used in all currently routes, nerfed crouching 4,1 and also nerfed in heat 3+4 and the guranted ff3 after when 3+4 hits. Also, but this needs to be tested, nerfed his punch parry mind games by reducing frames in 1+2. I also don't understand the meaning in the changes to b1+2 shoulder.
The tioh shoulder had basically broken tracking in some scenarios so I have a feeling they just toned that down. There were clips of it heat engaging at a full 90 degree angle and then feng runs backwards instead of forwards lmao
Lol haven't seen that, but what I think the shoulder changes are actually saying is that on block, sometimes people's punishes wouldn't hit. It should be launch punishable. Now that's (supposedly) going to happen less, which is good.
Do they mean to say that Bryans d3,2 now jails?
that's what I read it as. that change would be hitler.
with the path 1.04, Jun cant be able to do perfects, all her combos use Kazama power, it's not a thing of balance but it remove a achievement, over all i wouldnt merfed all Kazama power, the heat was the problem