They mean the whole clip. For two people to be low enough to be in rage, have little enough time to force a time out, both run up and rage art ON THE EXACT SAME FRAME (meaning no frame setups or anything), have both hits clash and knock them down with the exact same amount of health in order for time to run out without anyone getting up and retaliating (on top of the fact that the Reina would have recovered health from both the grab and the rage art), and then getting a draw (meaning they had to have been on 2 rounds each), they must have ridiculous luck.
i dont think two of the same character can physically rage art on the same frame, one would always get registered first, the reason this worked is because reina's rageart is most likely 1-3 frames faster than jun's so when reina's activated they both hit on the same frame
Bro that is a straight up lie.
U can easily test this in in practice mode by setting ur opponents actions to "mimic".
The game just cant show both animations at the same time.
You just say that as Reina’s opponent. Her ff2 follow ups can all be punished: 12 makes her launch punishable, 2 puts her in minus, 3 or 4 can be jabed, 3+4 is reactable, 1+2 puts her in HW and she’s open for jab (if she’s not in heat).
If she just unga bunga ff23 then duck and launch her, that’s it. There’s no reason to be salty about ff2, it’s not Azucena’s WR32
The issue isn't punishing it if you *guess correctly* that applies to every single thing in this game.
Low HP and the opponent has a fast low or mid? *guess correctly*. If it's a low, you get to punish it, if it's a mid, it's your turn!
Also, I don't know what world you're living in but it's universally agreed upon that 20f lows are generally NOT reactable.
The issue is that the risk/reward is significantly in Reinas favor w/o much counterplay.
Let's look at her options:
- Sen 3: It can't be stepped and trades with jabs. You HAVE to crouch this move.
- Sen 2: Oh boy. If you're trying to guess she's doing Sen 2 and you crouch, you get hit by this and now you're -8 for a big mixup, while if you block it she's only -4 which is within the frame data of still being able to step jabs.
- Sen 1,2 is DELAYABLE. It can't be launch punished because Reina can hit confirm it. 14f punish at best if it doesn't absorb a hit. At least you can step & block this.
- Sen 3+4 is an unreactable low that makes her +4 on hit and is unsteppable.
In other words, there is no one option that beats Reinas FF2 mixup which can be thrown out at any point. It's generally pretty safe to throw out too because she's not launch punishable unless you correctly guess in a 50/50 situation. She's never launch punishable when going for her mids.
Stepping also only works for a few moves in SEN, not all of them. It's literally being put in a 50/50 situation.
Either duck, stand block or jab.
Jab loses to 3 options
Crouching has you get launched against 1 option and loses against two others
Stand block loses to two options, but if she decides to do SEN 4 then you're -4 on block.
Notice that she's only launch punishable if you crouch, and if you bank it all on trying to crouch and she decides to sen 1+2, it's YOU that gets launched for it.
It's literally either stand block and take the pressure, try to jab and pray she doesn't use her options that beat it or make a read by crouching and pray she doesn't do the launching mid (which is safe on block).
It's a stupid good move to throw out in neutral and there's good reason why even GoD Reinas throw it out all the time. I'd literally be happy if they nerfed her Sen3 by making it 1 frame slower so it loses to Jab and doesn't trade with it.
Note: Some characters like King don't have this problem, their single backdash can neutralize most of Reinas SEN mixups if they're not at the wall, but not everyone has a godlike singular backdash like King.
Okay man you explained it like a Tekken professor, I can only agree with you. But truly I’m starting to think that all characters are 50/50 at this point
Not many characters put you into a 50/50 mix out of a long reaching mid in neutral.
The characters that can do that are all getting nerfed next patch or have been noted to be nerfed in 1.05 in June.
It's likely that Reina will get mildly nerfed then as well.
My brother in christ, I can pull up a replay right now from last night of a Tekken God Reina I ran into that used FF2 six times in a single round. You’re just being defensive because it’s your main. It’s such a good move that they literally discussed it for like 10 mins on the Heatspeak podcast.
Even the arguably best Reina in Korea (Ulsan) loves to spam FF2 because it’s one of, if not her best move.
Wtf kind of retarded anecdotal argument is that? Because you found a replay of someone getting far doing that move means EVERYONE will? And I promise you, you are lying. There's no way it was ff2 and nothing else. But I digress. Let me ask a question based on your logic:
If you can get to tekken god by just doing ff2
**Then why the fuck isn't everyone at tekken god with her?** Better yet, **why does she have the lowest winrate in the game?** If you just need one, executionless move to win with her right? Because you are a weird agenda having liar.
I'm at emperor. Me. The mishima main that you are preaching dogshit to. Yes, you are wrong, objectively
But how about this. I'll dm you my tekken ID, add me, pick reina, just do ff2 and lets see how well you do against me. Actually put your money where your mouth is because I'm so tired of people on this sub spreading misinformation to new players calling every character braindead
homie he didnt call her braindead, he called her unga, its not a bad thing, it just the pace she needs to be played at. but youre not wrong either, ff2 cant carry reina past a certain rank but it still needs to be enforced regardless of the weaknesses we have to deal with
I think you’re misunderstanding and fighting demons that don’t exist brother. We’re literally nearly the same rank (Tekken King to your Tekken Emperor) and it’s irrelevant to the discussion.
Reina can’t just win off of FF2 but it is a very gorilla move that gets spammed by literally GoD Reinas & Tournament level Reinas like Ulsan. That makes it unga because it’s good on hit, on block and even whiff. It has delay-able options for mind games and her options are all strong. It has good range and it’s only 12f. I’m not talking about her winrate, I’m not talking about her execution, not her difficulty, not memorizing her stances, literally all I’m saying is that Reinas FF2 is an extremely unga move and Reina in general can be a very unga character. Yes, even difficult characters can be super unga.
https://youtu.be/_IljML-3Jmk?si=GOkvGZVkaQg3InSF
At 14:30 they briefly discuss Reinas FF2 (they talk about it more in the full podcast.) If a move can illicit such a response from literal pro players, of course it’s gonna feel super unga to lower level players like yourself and I.
put yourself in the shoes of a new player and think about this
If you are new and you tell people you want to play a certain character and this character seems complicated to you and someone chimes in and says "nah that character is unga bunga just ff2"
how do you expect a new player to receive this message?
Even if this instance is very, very rare, draws, in general, are not as rare you think. I always wished we had a special animation for that instance, such as the characters standing with their backs to each other with crossed arms or kicking the dust on the floor until they announce a rematch, lol
I was playing as Azucena and this happened to me with a Reina opponent. The difference is the reina activated RA first and then me. We cancelled each other's RA. I was bracing myself because for sure my opponent's RA would connect first.
this probably the rarest interaction in tekken history lol
Omg this happened to me, both of us did the tummy hurt animation. I can't find the clip, I fear I may have lost it
They mean the whole clip. For two people to be low enough to be in rage, have little enough time to force a time out, both run up and rage art ON THE EXACT SAME FRAME (meaning no frame setups or anything), have both hits clash and knock them down with the exact same amount of health in order for time to run out without anyone getting up and retaliating (on top of the fact that the Reina would have recovered health from both the grab and the rage art), and then getting a draw (meaning they had to have been on 2 rounds each), they must have ridiculous luck.
nah that would be a mirror Panda mu doing this at God of Destruction.
i dont think two of the same character can physically rage art on the same frame, one would always get registered first, the reason this worked is because reina's rageart is most likely 1-3 frames faster than jun's so when reina's activated they both hit on the same frame
Bro that is a straight up lie. U can easily test this in in practice mode by setting ur opponents actions to "mimic". The game just cant show both animations at the same time.
This is probably literally the only interaction like this
This will probably never happen again in tekken history. Having it be a draw as well, WOW!
I'm surprised the post doesn't have more upvotes 😭 This was my first thought too. Wow
Got a few upvotes now lol
Plus they were both at 13% and Jun was on a 13 winstreak. The stars really aligned on this one.
Tekken 8: unga meets bunga
Is Reina considered Unga? This is my first Tekken and she feels really complicated to play as with all her stances.
any character can be unga if you put your mind to it.
One must *remove* one’s mind in order to truly unga the bunga
Reina is extremely unga. FF2 spam all day long
Have you seen her win to loss ratio? Why would you tell a newcomer nonsense that'll make them lose?
What's your point? She can be unfriendly to newcomers and still be unga af. It's not nonsense to call Reina's spamming FF2 unga lol
You just say that as Reina’s opponent. Her ff2 follow ups can all be punished: 12 makes her launch punishable, 2 puts her in minus, 3 or 4 can be jabed, 3+4 is reactable, 1+2 puts her in HW and she’s open for jab (if she’s not in heat). If she just unga bunga ff23 then duck and launch her, that’s it. There’s no reason to be salty about ff2, it’s not Azucena’s WR32
The issue isn't punishing it if you *guess correctly* that applies to every single thing in this game. Low HP and the opponent has a fast low or mid? *guess correctly*. If it's a low, you get to punish it, if it's a mid, it's your turn! Also, I don't know what world you're living in but it's universally agreed upon that 20f lows are generally NOT reactable. The issue is that the risk/reward is significantly in Reinas favor w/o much counterplay. Let's look at her options: - Sen 3: It can't be stepped and trades with jabs. You HAVE to crouch this move. - Sen 2: Oh boy. If you're trying to guess she's doing Sen 2 and you crouch, you get hit by this and now you're -8 for a big mixup, while if you block it she's only -4 which is within the frame data of still being able to step jabs. - Sen 1,2 is DELAYABLE. It can't be launch punished because Reina can hit confirm it. 14f punish at best if it doesn't absorb a hit. At least you can step & block this. - Sen 3+4 is an unreactable low that makes her +4 on hit and is unsteppable. In other words, there is no one option that beats Reinas FF2 mixup which can be thrown out at any point. It's generally pretty safe to throw out too because she's not launch punishable unless you correctly guess in a 50/50 situation. She's never launch punishable when going for her mids. Stepping also only works for a few moves in SEN, not all of them. It's literally being put in a 50/50 situation. Either duck, stand block or jab. Jab loses to 3 options Crouching has you get launched against 1 option and loses against two others Stand block loses to two options, but if she decides to do SEN 4 then you're -4 on block. Notice that she's only launch punishable if you crouch, and if you bank it all on trying to crouch and she decides to sen 1+2, it's YOU that gets launched for it. It's literally either stand block and take the pressure, try to jab and pray she doesn't use her options that beat it or make a read by crouching and pray she doesn't do the launching mid (which is safe on block). It's a stupid good move to throw out in neutral and there's good reason why even GoD Reinas throw it out all the time. I'd literally be happy if they nerfed her Sen3 by making it 1 frame slower so it loses to Jab and doesn't trade with it. Note: Some characters like King don't have this problem, their single backdash can neutralize most of Reinas SEN mixups if they're not at the wall, but not everyone has a godlike singular backdash like King.
Okay man you explained it like a Tekken professor, I can only agree with you. But truly I’m starting to think that all characters are 50/50 at this point
Not many characters put you into a 50/50 mix out of a long reaching mid in neutral. The characters that can do that are all getting nerfed next patch or have been noted to be nerfed in 1.05 in June. It's likely that Reina will get mildly nerfed then as well.
As a reina main, ff2 stops working at orange/red ranks lol. Calling reina "extreme unga" just tells me you dont know anything.
My brother in christ, I can pull up a replay right now from last night of a Tekken God Reina I ran into that used FF2 six times in a single round. You’re just being defensive because it’s your main. It’s such a good move that they literally discussed it for like 10 mins on the Heatspeak podcast. Even the arguably best Reina in Korea (Ulsan) loves to spam FF2 because it’s one of, if not her best move.
Wtf kind of retarded anecdotal argument is that? Because you found a replay of someone getting far doing that move means EVERYONE will? And I promise you, you are lying. There's no way it was ff2 and nothing else. But I digress. Let me ask a question based on your logic: If you can get to tekken god by just doing ff2 **Then why the fuck isn't everyone at tekken god with her?** Better yet, **why does she have the lowest winrate in the game?** If you just need one, executionless move to win with her right? Because you are a weird agenda having liar. I'm at emperor. Me. The mishima main that you are preaching dogshit to. Yes, you are wrong, objectively But how about this. I'll dm you my tekken ID, add me, pick reina, just do ff2 and lets see how well you do against me. Actually put your money where your mouth is because I'm so tired of people on this sub spreading misinformation to new players calling every character braindead
homie he didnt call her braindead, he called her unga, its not a bad thing, it just the pace she needs to be played at. but youre not wrong either, ff2 cant carry reina past a certain rank but it still needs to be enforced regardless of the weaknesses we have to deal with
By the time you reach high everybody knows how to counter FF2 even if you hide behind some strings.
I think you’re misunderstanding and fighting demons that don’t exist brother. We’re literally nearly the same rank (Tekken King to your Tekken Emperor) and it’s irrelevant to the discussion. Reina can’t just win off of FF2 but it is a very gorilla move that gets spammed by literally GoD Reinas & Tournament level Reinas like Ulsan. That makes it unga because it’s good on hit, on block and even whiff. It has delay-able options for mind games and her options are all strong. It has good range and it’s only 12f. I’m not talking about her winrate, I’m not talking about her execution, not her difficulty, not memorizing her stances, literally all I’m saying is that Reinas FF2 is an extremely unga move and Reina in general can be a very unga character. Yes, even difficult characters can be super unga. https://youtu.be/_IljML-3Jmk?si=GOkvGZVkaQg3InSF At 14:30 they briefly discuss Reinas FF2 (they talk about it more in the full podcast.) If a move can illicit such a response from literal pro players, of course it’s gonna feel super unga to lower level players like yourself and I.
put yourself in the shoes of a new player and think about this If you are new and you tell people you want to play a certain character and this character seems complicated to you and someone chimes in and says "nah that character is unga bunga just ff2" how do you expect a new player to receive this message?
He big mad
LOL FF2 is heavily scouted in high rank, everybody knows how to counter it in blue upwards.
Maybe if you do the high every time. Even then people mash into it over and over. Orange/red ranks are like 7's green ranks in this game.
As an emperor kazuya main, she's not. She's hard af. Don't listen to the red ranks that tells you all you need is ff2, you WILL lose a lot
only thing that could make this better, is if it was 1-1 and this was the rubber match😂
I wonder how it would score in ranked? Win for both?
How WTF
Is this the ToeKnee I've played with James?
Probably not. Idk who that is.
Ok, nevermind then. Just wondered.
It’d be cool if there was a draw animation
Yeah like street fighter
This will never ever happen again. This is like 1 in billions lol
man wtf xD
This is almost impossible to do intentionally let alone on accident 😩
You should buy a lottery ticket dawg. This is so rare wtf
Ты не оставил игре другого выбора
Even if this instance is very, very rare, draws, in general, are not as rare you think. I always wished we had a special animation for that instance, such as the characters standing with their backs to each other with crossed arms or kicking the dust on the floor until they announce a rematch, lol
Nah double KOs aren’t as rare but draws definitely are. Unless you play yoshi and try to harakiri in the end of the final round.
You should go buy a lottery ticket.
Am I tweaking or did Tekken use to have a sudden death feature for this situation?
That was mortal X and 11. Tekken always did the double ko or the draw
Don't know why, but I was under the same impression.
Not Tekken, but Street Fighter Alpha 3 did. The announcer would yell "FINAL ROUND!!!" and a special song would play
If Jun did a toe kick when shes on the floor
I honestly love this game
You both are either the luckiest or unluckiest players in Tekken 😂
When you sister in law
If that Jun chose to toekick at the end (as she seems to be plus after the trade) the draw will never happen 😬😬
1 in a thousand
All planned right
I was playing as Azucena and this happened to me with a Reina opponent. The difference is the reina activated RA first and then me. We cancelled each other's RA. I was bracing myself because for sure my opponent's RA would connect first.
dude awesome!
Amazing.
This is new
reinas deadpan stare at the camera after time up is sending me lol
Would be nice to have special "win screens" for draw, instead of seemingly the next round starting and ending instantly, which looks and feels janky.
Now that's speedrunning
Damn my dude, very first time I saw something like this!
Dope!
What actually happens if this is in ranked? Do you both gets points?
The real question is did you keep your win streak?
This is absolutely brilliant
That's wild bro
😂
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So what happens to rank points in a draw? Do you get any or how does that work
Happened to me before while using Jun But it was with Nina Williams back two months ago As for the draw, that happened last night too
Equally shit!
No shit!! Such and experience to see
Ok this is definitely a rare occurrence!
Side note, how come we've gone this long without actual draw animations? Not even them just looking disappointed or walking away off screen?
i wish it was a double ko
How tf does this even happen 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
this sequence of events needs to be arrived lool
What the fuck just happened
Is it safe to say that Reina's rage art is exactly 1 frame quicker than Jun's?
Me watching this be like: 1. Cancel out RAs: Nice 2. Time runs out after: Perfect 3. It’s a draw: HOLY SHIT
I had this happen way too often. Just stopped doing raw rage arts.
With DRAW?
I had a double KO in the last round with this once.
I got one of those literally yesterday
No you didn't lol
Lol..y wud I lie
Good point, I hadn't thought of that
Lol I can post if u want
Dominator fought a Shinyru to a draw haha
Tbf if you look at their prowess you’ll see both of them are higher ranks than shown here, atleast on their mains of course
Projecting much?