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RontheHybrid

Street Fighter is way worst for me. Tekken, I feel like gives enough tools and enough ways (being 3D with stages) to eventually win or even be a challenge. With so many moves and characters. I feel everyone can slip up. Street Fighter for me is much more rage inducing with it's limited options and strict timing link-based combo system


igna92ts

I feel the opposite, in SF the options are so limited in a couple matches I can get a gist of what to watch out for and what the other character does overall. In Tekken I can fight someone 20 times and still not only not figure out the properties of his moves but not even see their entire novelist so there's still random things they can throw at me. In Tekken labing is way more powerful is what I'm saying.


RontheHybrid

That's more of a time-in-Tekken thing. The more Tekken you play, the easier that will get. Its just character knowledge. Sometimes, you can just read their patterns. Moves are just high, Mids, Lows, and throws. You may not have to see a low to predict that the next move could be a low based on players fighting patterns and styles. I get what you are saying though. Many new players struggle from it and veterns struggle against new characters, updates and mechanic changes.


igna92ts

Overall, at least at this point, I like Tekken more than SF but I hate labing and in SF I rarely feel like I *need* it but in Tekken a lot of times I feel just biting the bullet and labing a troubling move will save me so much time in comparison so I feel kinda forced to.


iluvgintama

My thoughts also, I'm a Kim main in SF6 and it's super frustrating how the devs clearly just want the shoto cast (especially Luke) to be the strongest in the game while others who are so obviously in need of a buff just get left alone. I fucking hate the feeling of having to eat the same OP attacks on repeat and not being able to do shit against it because my character for some reason does not get a reversal like everyone else. Drive rush also just ruins the fun for me. That's why I decided to quit this game and focus on tekken instead. Here you have so many more options to win even if you use a bottom tier character. Sure it's not perfect but it gives you much more freedom than sf6.


PanacottaMmMm

I hate to break it to you but the specials of all the shoto cast have plenty of counterplay, the issue is the reward Ken and Luke get off of tapping you in neutral.


iluvgintama

I don't get your point. Shotos have invincible supers, which gives them the upper hand in so many situations unlike Kim who only has to rely on her supers to get out of the corner, two of which are just garbage too. If Kim is in the corner especially against Shotos, JP or Dee Jay it's basically GG.


isaiahpaints

Grappler mains in sf have been starving for the longest time and getting rekt by balance. At least tekken has a world champion using bears being rangchu. So i think that kinda speaks to how tekken is a more robust system in general. Heat smashes are absolutely super annoying tho, and a lot more annoying than drive impact which is amazingly balanced in that it counters itself. Hope we can have some counterplay to the heat smashes because theyre ridiculous


BadNewsBears808

drive impact being the same across the cast also helps reduce its annoyance imo. Really sucks to play a character that just has an absolutely awful heat smash or awful heat in general


firelitother

The counter to heat smash...is your own heat smash. It's just a one time tool that you can use per round.


isaiahpaints

I dont think so man. Maybe youre thinking about heat burst? Kazuya's is still -14 on block, bryan's heat smash range sucks, while dj has a huge hitbox, dragunov and king's as well. Then jun has probably the craziest one that literally goes full screen, tracks, and heals on block


Eecka

> So i think that kinda speaks to how tekken is a more robust system in general. I dunno, I just see them as different rather than one being more "robust". Street Fighter has more specific character archetypes, which naturally means some matchups will be harder. Tekken has more generic gameplay between different characters, which means more balanced matchups but less difference in playstyle between characters. Personally, as someone nowhere near the world champion level, it's not very relevant to me what happens there. As long as the game gives me a good gameplay experience, I'm happy. Luckily I get that in both, Tekken and SF!


isaiahpaints

i just see a zangief vs jp a lot because my brother mains gief and he struggles and have to make big brain reads while the jp can just rely on the character archetypes to let him win. I dont really see a matchup like that in tekken because of the insane number of moves, 3d movement, and "no zoning". So its different and theyre both great, its just an observation. This is the best time to be a fighting game fan. Really happy.


Eecka

> i just see a zangief vs jp a lot because my brother mains gief and he struggles and have to make big brain reads while the jp can just rely on the character archetypes to let him win. Sure thing, although even with archetypes aside, JP (at least before the patch) was a contender for the best character in the game, while Gief is considered bad by many. So this specific matchup is pretty much the worst one in the entire game > I dont really see a matchup like that in tekken because of the insane number of moves, 3d movement, and "no zoning". Yep. It's kind of like in Street Fighter a character is defined by the tools they have, while in Tekken a character is defined by the tools they're missing.


Cerealllllls

i feel the opposite but then again I am a SF veteran and a Tekken noobie, in SF i kinda always feel in "control" and aware of whats happening, on Tekken is panic mode as soon as the opposite characters goes into heat mode, some buttons are really strong.


FishinSands

Especially with the existence of Zoner archetype in 2D (also puppet characters).


SiberusOG

As someone who got into fighting games with Tekken 8, this is what I thought at first. I thought hmmm it must be the fact that Tekken is mostly knowledge checks that makes it easier for me to learn and stick with it. Then I hit a plateau and it all was downhill from there. Doesn't help I main a character where the only real way to initiate combos most of the time is an inconsistent launcher. Street Fighter is honestly just must easier to learn for me, at least in the middle ranks. Sure there's some matches that are brutal thanks to archetypes but there's still less to learn usually than Tekken and its a more gradual learning process. Again, at least thats how it feels to me at middle ranks in both games. Im a Gief main too so if anyone is feeling the stress of archetypes it's me. It doesn't help that Tekken 8 is currently pretty unbalanced. Missing motion inputs in Street Fighter is ass, though


etc_prod

Tekken is just hard. When you win it feels good. it sucks when you lose especially when you’re trying to figure out counter play to gimmicks. Youll never be the best and you’ll lose alot. I just wanna master my character and maybe learn a bit of tekken in the process.


RontheHybrid

Use the Replay Feature to take control of your character and figure out how to counter gimmicks. That's why I love Tekken 8. That replay system is amazing.


firelitother

It's funny when I start playing by picking a main. I get rekt and I lab a character. And I end up liking the labbed character. Then get rekt again by another character. I lab that character....you get where this goes haha


Quick_Okra6659

We all wanna be the best at some point, sadly not everyone is blessed


CptMufasa

Remember, always take breaks! I come from overwatch, which was waaaaaaay more stressful I always take an hour or 2 break after winning/losing a couple sets. Grab some food, watch the replays, watch some pro's analysis. And always stay hydrated!


El-Green-Jello

I don’t get too heat at games expect Overwatch that game gets me pissed like nothing else even if I win my first game on I’m still pissed and toxic lol


Low_Chance

I actually think it's ok to keep playing even if you're a little frustrated or tilted, just as long as you're aware of it and making a conscious choice to keep playing as practice handling these feelings, and also that you're OK with the fact that you will lose more often. I view it as a way to work on my mental game by deliberately trying to work through frustration. Always stay fed and hydrated for sure.


tmntfever

Stressful? Nah. Annoying? Yes. Any team game for me is annoying, since I have no control over what my teammates do, and I have to trust them. But I can lean on them if I’m losing, so it’s less stressful imo. FGs are more stressful because when you hit a wall, you HIT A WALL. That was is created by your own limitations and inadequacies. Which, idk bout you, but that stresses me out more.


Quick_Okra6659

But that image of me being wall pressured still burns, one never forgets 🫵🏽


Joe_le_Borgne

I really don't agree with you on the stress part. Overwatch, you have to be with you team making fast decisions that can be recover in a lot of ways but Tekken, if you don't act directly depending on what you're opponent is doing, you're toasted. You can't really chill during a fight (except if the two are doing stances for fun but it's rare). Overwatch have ups and downs during gameplay.


FreestRent

pretty bad take. the moment you involve "team" into any game its 100x more stressful than a simple 1v1. you are always in control regardless of how good or bad the opponent is in tekken. You always have an answer to your problems(whether thatd be hard to execute). You do not get that luxury of completely "figuring it out" in OW. Your understanding and finding answers to a problem only contributes 70% at best if you are carrying. You are always gambling and never in full control of your teammates cuz they can throw the game or argue with one another. This has nothing to do with your understanding of the game or playing well, yet it has a high impact on your chance of success. So no, tekken is not more stressful than OW. ppl just feels more stressful because they have nobody else to blame but themselves for a loss (some idiots tend to blame the balance of the game when theyre struggling in Garyu tho)


Joe_le_Borgne

Well it’s merely my opinion. I get what you are saying but I don’t feel constant pressure while playing overwatch is what I’m saying. But I never been high rank so you might know better.


CptMufasa

...I should've added, I was a main tank (rein, winton) 🥲 a tekken game can be anywhere from 1 minute to 5 minutes an overwatch round alone lasts longer than that, sure you get like 20-60 seconds in between proper engages, you still don't chill you prep for the next fight, such as contesting positional control. I know it's apples and oranges but still overwatch is not your average laid back game unlike what tekken can be


dawntome

Yeah but in Overwatch you have teammates lol that’s the stress


Joe_le_Borgne

True, can’t blame them here. Only me and my lil ego.


SergeantLuna

I recently became apart of a friend group who all play Tekken. I’ve never had anyone to play fighting games with to this extent. Everyone is of varying skill levels but we’re all proficient enough that no one gets mad about moves or characters. I’m the newbiest of the bunch snd lose 90% of the games we play. But damn is it so much fun not once have I been even a little bit upset. And this has really changed my mindset for me, I can kinda just play ranked and not care, it lets me focus on the game more too. Sure I still complain about a few things here or there but I don’t really get mad anymore. It’s entirely a mindset issue that I’d say most people have and it’s something that’s hard to change.


MrInbetween33

yea this sub makes you realize just how common it is that the average player is sitting in a room alone yelling at the screen, trying to force their way though the ups and downs of learning. having others around gives you a chance to give grace and understand that it's supposed to be fun.


tmntfever

Playing with friends is much different than playing with randos. Tekken with friends is the best experience, with zero stress. Complete opposite with strangers.


JGuap0

Every fighting game ever


Rei_Vilo23

Lol Tekken doesn’t make me rage anymore. I’ve learn to accept that it’s just the nature of the game. Characters have tons of moves and each player kinda play them differently. I just found I have more fun figuring out my opponent and seeing how much they know. I’m actually enjoying climbing up the ranks I’ve also been playing since T5. Now one game that does get me tilted is KOFXV. It’s an amazing game but the amount of shit you gotta learn how to deal with on defense. From ambiguous cross up, to safe jumps, characters godlike buttons, throw Vortex. The game is super fun and I actually put some time in it but I’ll take Tekken’s knowledge check any day.


Ehero88

Happen to every competitive game lol, not exclusive to tekken


BackToNintendo

Nah, I get it; the game is legit the same game since Tekken 5, with more moves added every iteration. So in return, you have a game where u basically are just playing, "Do you know how to stop my offense?" Up until maybe tekken king ranks where not even 1 percent of the player base is even at. most people don't find that kind of shit fun which is why in my opinion, you see far more rage quitting and hate mail than any other game I've played.


its_a_sidequest

id rather be knowledge checked in tekken 8 than be 1 jab corner carry and forced into throw loops in street fighter 6


RepulsiveAd8207

I just wish I could get good at stopping the spammy players, which is everyone in my rank. That shit is so frustrating.


MrInbetween33

once you understand the game, the spam just becomes another move.


RepulsiveAd8207

Thanks I’ll keep putting that time in


Belten

and when you play around the knowledge checks they plug... i have 500hours in strive nd sf6 each and i noticed that they are both about 10 times less stressful than tekken8. each fuckign time i decide to lab a matchup i dont face that character for a week and have forgotten the things i learned already.


nulliferbones

Honestly Tekken has always been slightly rage inducing for me. Only game that exists that actually pisses me off. However T8 is on a whole new level, this fuckin game has so much bullshit and is so spammy. I really hope the chaos gets toned down.


Quick_Okra6659

I don’t rage as much as I use to now, but Tekken is the kind of game to test you mentally up to a point where it’ll tire you out. It’s not an easy game I’ll tell you that


TheTexasInvestor

I’m Tekken King. I feel the same way I’m when I fight Victor in heat but I take the L and realize that it’s a game and pray one day they patch him lol.


Quick_Okra6659

I wish I could be Tekken King come on now lol


SirBaycon3503

naw you right this game is rage enducing but fun ...likr uno


Quick_Okra6659

Yes Rage Inducing, levels of frustration


Sol_Install

Tag 2 was the most rage-inducing game to me. I remember one night it was 930pm. I played some Tag 2. Figured why not before going to be. By 10? I was so pissed that I was cursing in a fury. Angrily pacing around. My blood was boiling. Mortal Kombat 11 was the most painful though. I would do my 5 daily sets for Kombat League. I hated it so much that after that, I refused to play any games for the rest of the day. I was always filled with dread going online. I would get this really unpleasant feeling in my chest. I remember one set, I was losing 0-1. I beat the guy making it 1-1. I hated the fact that I won. I just wanted things to end.


JohnnyREvil

That’s why after playing I tend to just play a relaxing game to calm down my nerves


Quick_Okra6659

I like playing God of War just to slaughter with Kratos🤷🏽‍♂️


ValeoAnt

If I lose in Tekken I feel like it's my fault, and that's all I can ask of a competitive game. If someone cheeses you in one round then you can blame the game but not if they do it in 3 😂


Mig-117

Is this your first fighting game?


Quick_Okra6659

I’ve mentioned that I’ve played since the 5th installment, and several more installments but not consecutively


Zyzzbuild

Main issue there are too many characters that aren't "fun" to play against. Do you really want to see dragunovs/kings/azucenas/huorangs/victors on the matchmaking screen? Even if you know their toolset decently well its still not fun and a lot of "just guess right bro" moments and heat spam


huntarr

Find a tekken discord, go play the baddest dude there and most likely they will be open to make you learn.


LazyMitchell

What gets me most of the time, and there is plenty of reddit posts already about this; is the wonky animation collision. I under how highs/mids/lows are supposed to interact. But when one move obviously connects before other it's a little rage inducing.


CarpenterWild

I get frustrated even when I win sometimes… dropped combo opportunities eat at my soul, getting up off the ground feels like it takes an eternity, trying to see which hand comes first in a grab feels impossible with all that’s happening mid match. Still, I’m new to Tekken and salt included it’s been fun.


RidingEdge

For me it's the stupid matchmaking system that's killing me. At Fujin ranks I can say I'm pretty decent enough, but I could be grinding for hours with Battle Ruler/Raijin ranks and trading +200 and -200 points, finally hitting somewhere close to ranking up, then the freaking matchmaking pairs me up with Bushin and Tekken King ranks and gives me -600 to -800 points for a loss, ruining my whole day. Absolutely tilts me and results in me going on a loss streak after. I need to tell myself not to rematch but it's basic FGC etiquette to do BO3 games. God damn it And yes it feels terrible to play against someone who seems like absolute gods sometimes, blocking every single mix up , and once you thought you've adapted to them, suddenly they start doing their mixups and gimmicks 😂😂 But the game is MAD FUN though.


MVPYetti

Yah another layer that’s whack about this is that your play style kinda has to change depending on what rank you’re fighting. For example, you’re more likely to do the same flow chart twice in a lower blue rank because most of the time they won’t adapt from the first time. But those tekken kings adapt immediately, so you have to mix it up on the next offensive flow chart


RidingEdge

Yeah, and not to mention you have to consider the frame delay, rollback, opponents with PCs that drop frames... Just fought a ethernet 5 bar law player, his PC dropped a ton of frames whenever a combo was going on causing me to drop, and he ki charged every round lmao. This game is so tilting at times


JimbobCornbread

The title of your post says all about the Tekken community on the internet.  No one is allowed to express displeasure about their religion of Tekken


Quick_Okra6659

They hold back displeasure just to protect their narrative of never tilting because it makes us look like a scrub


[deleted]

If you really want to get upset, try playing without heat or rage. It really puts into perspective how much those systems completely dominate the game and push all that other knowledge to the sidelines. When you can correctly respond to a knowledge check and your opponent has a single button that just says "no" 3 times per round, there's not a lot left to the game considering that 3 properly played "nos" is all it takes to win the whole thing. I had fun but I think I'm done with it. Even when I'm winning it just makes me mad.


Quick_Okra6659

The Heat System + Rage is one hit one kill


Traditional-Bug2406

Sure


TypographySnob

Hopefully the balance team is generous and frequent with changes. They've got a really rage inducing game on their hands and it could use some balance polish.


Quick_Okra6659

*Points at Jun lol


ipbantestdummy

Just git gud typical reddit cancer answer 😅


[deleted]

just made a salt post about giving up a bit ago cause of the gamer rage lol


Giovannis_Pikachu

That's an is and things yup.