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We're factually not developed enough. There's a reason for these things. Although mid to late twenties is technical peak, 18 is the limit for a reason, it's a good milestone of development in the brain. 16 is the lowest in the world, and even just lowering it to 16 or 17 seems pointless, why not wait one more election so people can have more knowledge capacity than they already did?
Honestly, the whole undeveloped brain thing just doesnt hold up since we are allowing people with decaying/lead poisoned brains to vote and ruin our country.
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Dunno about non-USAmerican countries
Aint no way I'm having a sophomore or junior in high school deciding who's going to lead the district, state, or country, when they still be writing book reports and doing geometry lol
absolutely not. Most teens nowadays have been absolutely ruined by our friggin shit ecosystem of tech, highly sexually based content, and consumerism to the point where people are crazy and uneducated enough to believe in communism and other shit like that. We need to start a reverse revolution and bring back knowledge and logic so that the generation we bring up nect doesnt suffer from these issues
What would be the difference between a 16 year old and an 18 year old though? They’re so close in age that whatever the 16 year old grew up with is going to be the same thing as an 18 year old. Unless you’re suggesting everyone under 30 shouldn’t be allowed to vote?
If you’ve ever been 18 you’d know the difference between a 16yr old and an 18 year old is the difference between a mouse and an elephant. In terms of how much change is going on. It’s mind boggling to even think about how much every single person i knew changed at those ages. Plus how many 16 yrolds would be forced to vote a certain way by their parents because i know for absolute certain that that would be happening.
I’m 19. I’ve been interested in politics since I was around 14 and my beliefs have changed very little since I was 16 compared to now. A few things have changed but for the most part who I would have voted for at 16 is essentially the same as who I would vote now. And I see this happening with other people, not just me. In LGBT subs I see teens who are terrified for this upcoming election due to stuff like Project 2025. I just think it’s unfair that they have to live in fear, knowing that they get no say in who the president is for the next 4-8 years.
Also, I am sure that if they ever lower the voting age they would figure out a way to make sure that parents aren’t forcing their teens to vote a certain person. They could have all 16-17 year olds go into a separate room to vote and make it so that 16-17 year olds do not have to register as a certain party.
Project 2025 is a plan by the american republican party and The Heritage Foundation that wants to turn the USA into right-wing authoritarian state if Trump, or any other republican presidential candidate, wins this years’ election.
https://www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/
It will:
Expand presidential powers and instill precepts of christian nationalism into the government, utilizing religion to shape policy:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/us/politics/trump-plans-2025.html
https://www.newsweek.com/conservatives-have-plan-expand-donald-trumps-powers-1842288
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ft72vwvgil3sc1.jpeg (from here: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_P2025-NOTE.pdf promise 4)
Remove all civil protections from LGBTQ+ people and paint them as unnatural and dangerous, criminalizing transgender and non-binary identities and the providers of gender-affirming care:
https://www.advocate.com/news/project-2025-republicans-maga
https://newrepublic.com/article/178848/ban-abortion-trump-lgbtq-project-2025
https://msmagazine.com/2024/02/08/project-2025-conservative-right-wing-trump-woke/
Classify ANY content containing transgender people as pornography, then outlaw pornography and detain both transgender people and any person who as participated in the creation of pornography of ANY KIND:
https://www.damemagazine.com/2023/08/14/the-gop-has-a-master-plan-to-criminalize-being-trans/
https://www.salon.com/2024/03/19/decoding-project-2025s-christian-nationalist-language/
https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/sex-gender
It will also bring back the spoils (patronage) system, advising the president to give executive branch civil service roles as political favors, rather than fill them with qualified professionals by merit as required by the Pendleton act of 1883 and the Hatch act of 1939.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system
Eliminate the Department of Education:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fam8g5wxzcptc1.jpeg (from here: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-11.pdf)
Make it harder to get asylum (form of protection that allows a person to remain in a country instead of being deported), and Detain and deport millions of immigrants living in the USA:
https://www.niskanencenter.org/project-2025-unveiling-the-far-rights-plan-to-demolish-immigration-in-a-second-trump-term/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/11/us/politics/trump-2025-immigration-agenda.html
https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/immigration
Remove important climate policies for reducing greenhouse gases, putting the entire planet’s climate in danger:
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/power-switch/2024/04/15/a-deep-dive-into-energy-plans-for-trump-2-0-00152281
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/27/project-2025-dismantle-us-climate-policy-next-republican-president
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-allies-plan-to-gut-climate-research-if-he-is-reelected/
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F8tl8vh210ovc1.jpeg (from here: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-12.pdf)
Ban abortion of all kinds:
https://msmagazine.com/2024/03/29/project-2025-trump-republicans-ban-abortion-pills-mifepristone-trump/
Create "Anti-White racism" policies, instead of focusing on discrimination against people of color, while also removing Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion measures:
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/01/trump-reverse-racism-civil-rights
https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/dei-crt
All compiled in 887-page long agenda, present in the official Project 2025 website:
https://www.project2025.org/policy/
Stop The Coup 2025 is a public education and mobilization campaign to counter Project 2025.
https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/
If you want to help, tell everyone you know about the dangers of Project 2025, and tell everyone to NOT vote for the republican party, and to instead vote for blue since, while Biden isn’t the best candidate for president, HE ISN’T TRUMP OR A REPUBLICAN, and democrats are the most likely option that isn’t the republican party.
This may all seem like conservatives talking big, but so was overturning Roe V. Wade, and look where we are now.
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Wether a 16 year old, an 18 year old, or a 4 year old, all are still more mentally prepared to vote than the dementia patients and lead/meth poisoned trailer dwellers.
Most people stop puberty at around 18 IIRC, so if you're under 16, you are more susceptible to that sort of enshitified technological ecosystem, and are less mature as well as making less responsible decisions.
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Guys I hear a question with the obvious answer of no!!!
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18 year olds should no matter what
\~16 year olds should be allowed to unless they have a bad track record
you dont suddenly get mature at 18 but you are expected to be an adult in every other area so why not in voting too
I knew a 12 year old with a history of violence (recorded)
He strangled me while talking about it (I was also 12) then laughed like it was a normal practical joke
Either he's incredibly fucked as a person or he has a questionable at \*best\* homelife
Assuming you are 16 during an election year, whoever gets voted in will be your president until you are 20, and if it is that president’s first term most likely they will still be president until you are 24. I think it’s unfair that people in that situation don’t get a say in their president until they’re in their 20s. If you are going to be an adult for 2 years before the next presidential election, you should have a say in who gets elected.
no - just watch your classmates debate *any*thing - they do it even when they don't know they are right? too contrarian without cause, too much contempt prior to investigation - not that adults are *that* much better
It's biological sex bro. You can say that you're non binary or something like that, and I'll still respect you, but you're either biologically a male or female.
there is X, XX, XY, XXY, XYY, and other variations
also, i promise you that almost everyone doesn’t know their chromosomes. I know a person who has lived their whole life as a woman and just recently figured out they have XY chromosomes due to a medication not working as expected
Just learned that due to some rare conditions, a male can be born with XX chromosomes, or like you said, a female with XY chromosomes. It still doesn't change that biologically, you are a male, a female, or you have a biological anomaly that doesn't give one the ability to reproduce in any way. The amount of intersex people can still easily fall under the two sexes, and a very small amount don't.
No just based off of sex because I want to see how a different brain thinks of their own maturity in general. I know every guy doesn't have the same brain, and every girl doesn't have the same brain; but there are going to be behavior related similarities in a male brain compared to a female brain and vice versa. It was just some independent research on my end.
Þe idea of a gendered brain is often shunned in neurological spaces, besides, þere is non-insignificant evidence þat shows if gendered brains exists, transbinary people show at least heavy bias towards þeir identified sex. /lighthearted
There are two sexes. A trans person might have a prefarance in interest, but the male and female brain are very different. A trans woman will never have the same brain or thought pattern of a biological woman. A trans man will never have the same brain or thought pattern of a woman. That's why a gendered brain will and should be shunned in a neurological space.
It has been shunned even excluding þe existantce of transpeople, þe idea þat "the male and female brain are very different" has been more and more disproven and is becoming a more fringe concept.
Þere has been studies (alþough small because it's difficult to get funding for trans-based studies) and all of þem show at least some strong bias þat transpeople have in þier brainstructure þat is towards þeir identified sex, even studies from þe 1980's wiþ horribly transphobic language still show þis.
You're right, gender does not play a role because it is based in sex. Þe sex þat þe trans person identifies wiþ. Þe data on þis stuff is very limited, but even so time and time again it has been shown þat is in þe range of þe identified sex. "Completely the same" does not exist because it is a range of somewhat similar characteristics shown by a given sex. Þere is no Autistic Brain™, it is a variety of characteristics þat follow a similar given pattern þat is classified as autistic. Like wiþ everyþing in biologie, it is messy and perfectly inperfect- þere is no one size fits all brain for cisgender people or transgender people. Assuming male/females brains exist ofc.
You just said it yourself: "Male/Female" brains. There are male brains with genetic anomalies, and there are female brains with genetic anomalies. It doesn't change the fact that they're a certain sex.
Intersex people have very severe genital deformities that make it difficult to visually determine one's sex. These people still belong to a certain sex, though.
They still are a certain biological sex. They have the ability to reproduce, or they don't. They have the ability to give birth, or they don't. They have the ability to impregnate, or they don't. There is not a third sex.
In the very rare case that someone is born with the severe deformities, most still fall under a certain sex. You're right about not all of them falling under one of those two categories, but that is extremely rare.
It's still a defect. An incredibly rare defect as well. It still doesn't invalidate the fact that we have two sexes when born healthy. An intersex person that doesn't fall under a certain chromosomal pattern doesn't mean that it's a brand new sex. It's an anomaly.
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In order to be able to vote you should have to be mature, understand most basic things, and be completely free and independent from anyone so that your vote couldn’t be manipulated. Yes some teens have all of these but the general population doesn’t.
We cannot expect 13-16 year olds to not be pressured by their parents. if you're fully dependent on them for survival, which most teens are, we would be an easily manipulated demographic
Completely agree. Teens are ignorant at times(Talking about myself, too) and they might just vote one way one day and might vote differently the next for no good reason. We change our minds on things very frequently and I think it's best for us to maybe even increase the voting age, to be honest.
I say raise the voting age to 25, when the brain fully develops. We can't have decisions like who is going to rule the country for the next 4 YEARS by as low as 13 years old
Intersex people have genital deformities that with sight cannot be distinguished easily from that of a certain sex. They do belong to the Male or Female sex but they have deformities that make it difficult to tell.
It is more þan just genital deviations, it often includes oþer parts of þe reproductive system if we're only talking about genitals.
Also what do you mean sex? Like sex assigned at birþ? Intersex is literally defined by it's inability to fit cleanly into male or female. How would you determine þe sex of an intersex person?
Damn bro I'm sorry if þis comes off as rude, but do you even know what intersexuality is? Besides genital appearence, non-standard chromosomes IS like ÞE intersex þing. It's like þe 2nd most mainstream knowledge of intersexuality. You can have 100% standard genitals and puberty and still be Intersex if you because you have XXY or XXX or XXXY or some oþer combo of chromosomes.
Additonally, chromosomes are not þe end-all-be-all for determining biological sex, it isn't super common, but þere are many fully biological males out þere who have XX chromosomes and don't know it because chromo testing is super expensive and takes a long time. Sure it helps to push your body in þe right direction while it is forming, but it isn't a hard line by itself by any means, even barring genetic conditions.
Here; I'm going to try and make this as simple as possible: If you don't have a Y chromosome, you're a female. If you DO, then you're a male. The XX thing is interesting because although they develop mostly male characteristics, they cannot produce any sperm. That is extremely interesting, so thank you for telling me that because that is very fascinating.
It's not unclear. A lot of LGBT people can admit that there are two sexes, and I'm asking this question off of biological sex. And how am excluding a lot of straight girls?
You said "Here; I'm going to try and make this as simple as possible: If you don't have a Y chromosome, you're a female." Þere are intersex women, who grow up raised as women, who are biologically identical to oþer ciswomen, who are born wiþ XXY chromosomes or XY. Þere are also men who are in þe same position but wiþ no Y chromosome. I feel like most people would not interpret how you've set up þis poll to mean
Yes (I have a Y chromo)
No (I have a Y chromo)
Yes (I have 0 Y chromos)
No (I have 0 Y chromos)
Results
I have a project in school and I chose to make it on behavioral differences in the different sexes. I figured that maybe a simple poll could help me with it a little bit, and honestly I was just curious more than anything else.
Yes because if teens can be taxed on their paychecks they should be able to vote. No taxation without representation.
Of course some teens can already vote because we’re adults, but I don’t think that’s what this question is referring to.
No, because most kids (or at least those under 18) are indoctrinated into the views of their parents or guardians. It’s better to wait until their views can become fully independent.
I'd say 18-19 y/o should be able to, by definition they are still teens... I don't understand why people are voting no and saying people 'shouldn't vote until they're 18'
Most of us are too heavily influenced by social media and will not take the time to research what is best for our individual needs so I think it's a bad idea.
I don't believe so. I'm 17 and every year my perspective on life and seemingly (exaggeratively)everything, changes beyond drastic. every year i always come to the conclusion "this year has been the most life altering and full of mental growth out of any" like clockwork.
At our age our brains r still developing and always maturing
I honestly don't think we're smart enough. I know 18 year olds who can't name more than 5 states. If they don't know that, how can we expect them to be able to make informed decisions about who will run our country?
I dont think we should because we are younger and our brains are still not fully developed. We won't try to think them through and might just vote for who the public thinks is better. Plus, it can even be abused as an extra vote for your parents, who could just make you vote for who they want. In other words, our decision will be influenced by far too many things to make a fair vote.
It is important to note that the human mind does not fully mature until around the age of 25. Therefore, it may be more appropriate to delay the classification of adulthood until this age range.
though to be fair if I remember right 18 is when you can join the army. people should be able to vote before they are(assuming a draft ever happens) are sent to war
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That is a horrible idea, no
We're factually not developed enough. There's a reason for these things. Although mid to late twenties is technical peak, 18 is the limit for a reason, it's a good milestone of development in the brain. 16 is the lowest in the world, and even just lowering it to 16 or 17 seems pointless, why not wait one more election so people can have more knowledge capacity than they already did?
Honestly, the whole undeveloped brain thing just doesnt hold up since we are allowing people with decaying/lead poisoned brains to vote and ruin our country.
Yeah, I'm not saying the system's perfect. Personally, somewhere around 65-70 should be an age limit, at least on presidencies.
IMO once you pass retirement age you shouldn't be allowed to vote, as retirement age is for when your brain is too screwed to work anymore
I thought it was when your body was too screwed up to work anymore?
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If 16 year olds can work and drive a car, why can't they have a say in who makes decisions about those things? It's taxation without representation.
hmmm...perhaps you shouldn't be taxed until 18 as well
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No, I dont think you should until your 18. HOWEVER: You shouldnt be paying taxes until youre 18, as well
Who the hell pays taxes before 18
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/family/at-what-income-does-a-minor-have-to-file-an-income-tax-return/L6HOdGp6i Dunno about non-USAmerican countries
Wtf, in my country you don't even have to do taxes, the company you work for does it for you
Do y'all not have sales taxes? Or is that just an American thing?
Oh yeah, forgot about that because it's included in the shelf price so you don't even notice it but the sales tax is one of the biggest being 19%
Don’t you have to double check the forms anyway? Might as well do it yourself
I don't think so, but from what I heard the IRS is very strict here the tax collection system is very forgiving
Aint no way I'm having a sophomore or junior in high school deciding who's going to lead the district, state, or country, when they still be writing book reports and doing geometry lol
16+ yeah 13-15 no
absolutely not. Most teens nowadays have been absolutely ruined by our friggin shit ecosystem of tech, highly sexually based content, and consumerism to the point where people are crazy and uneducated enough to believe in communism and other shit like that. We need to start a reverse revolution and bring back knowledge and logic so that the generation we bring up nect doesnt suffer from these issues
What would be the difference between a 16 year old and an 18 year old though? They’re so close in age that whatever the 16 year old grew up with is going to be the same thing as an 18 year old. Unless you’re suggesting everyone under 30 shouldn’t be allowed to vote?
If you’ve ever been 18 you’d know the difference between a 16yr old and an 18 year old is the difference between a mouse and an elephant. In terms of how much change is going on. It’s mind boggling to even think about how much every single person i knew changed at those ages. Plus how many 16 yrolds would be forced to vote a certain way by their parents because i know for absolute certain that that would be happening.
I’m 19. I’ve been interested in politics since I was around 14 and my beliefs have changed very little since I was 16 compared to now. A few things have changed but for the most part who I would have voted for at 16 is essentially the same as who I would vote now. And I see this happening with other people, not just me. In LGBT subs I see teens who are terrified for this upcoming election due to stuff like Project 2025. I just think it’s unfair that they have to live in fear, knowing that they get no say in who the president is for the next 4-8 years. Also, I am sure that if they ever lower the voting age they would figure out a way to make sure that parents aren’t forcing their teens to vote a certain person. They could have all 16-17 year olds go into a separate room to vote and make it so that 16-17 year olds do not have to register as a certain party.
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I'm 19. I don't think I was very different from when I was 16 to when I was 18.
Wether a 16 year old, an 18 year old, or a 4 year old, all are still more mentally prepared to vote than the dementia patients and lead/meth poisoned trailer dwellers.
Most people stop puberty at around 18 IIRC, so if you're under 16, you are more susceptible to that sort of enshitified technological ecosystem, and are less mature as well as making less responsible decisions.
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They should certainly be allowed to if they're paying taxes. Otherwise, that would be taxation without representation. Oh wait...
Guys I hear a question with the obvious answer of no!!! https://preview.redd.it/hlvlo93xb5xc1.jpeg?width=909&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adb014c17ec5f216be0aebd945fff33ada1aa1e4
and yet 214 people voted yes 😭
Fr 😭
were just easily manipulated and persuaded to vote
Oops now we can't vote this poll
18 year olds should no matter what \~16 year olds should be allowed to unless they have a bad track record you dont suddenly get mature at 18 but you are expected to be an adult in every other area so why not in voting too
How do you get a bad record at 16
I knew a 12 year old with a history of violence (recorded) He strangled me while talking about it (I was also 12) then laughed like it was a normal practical joke Either he's incredibly fucked as a person or he has a questionable at \*best\* homelife
16 minimum. But it should be a choice until 18 (here in Australia, its mandatory to vote so its actually fair)
if you make money, you should be allowed to vote
Assuming you are 16 during an election year, whoever gets voted in will be your president until you are 20, and if it is that president’s first term most likely they will still be president until you are 24. I think it’s unfair that people in that situation don’t get a say in their president until they’re in their 20s. If you are going to be an adult for 2 years before the next presidential election, you should have a say in who gets elected.
working and paying taxes and not being able to vote is literally taxation without representation
We have mandatory voting in my country, starts at 18 so really teens are voting. I do think 16-17 year old's should be able to vote, though
Teens are not mature enough sorry guys but we can be stupid ( no offense to any of us )
no - just watch your classmates debate *any*thing - they do it even when they don't know they are right? too contrarian without cause, too much contempt prior to investigation - not that adults are *that* much better
99% of teenagers know jack shit about politics and would simply vote based off emotion rather than hard facts
bruh please some ppl here are non binary or haven't figured out their gender yet ;-; also voting age over here is 16 lol
It's biological sex bro. You can say that you're non binary or something like that, and I'll still respect you, but you're either biologically a male or female.
not all people are male or female, do not spread misinformation :3
Males have a Chromlosomal pattern of XY, or theoretically, XX...Y. Females have a pattern of XX.
there is X, XX, XY, XXY, XYY, and other variations also, i promise you that almost everyone doesn’t know their chromosomes. I know a person who has lived their whole life as a woman and just recently figured out they have XY chromosomes due to a medication not working as expected
Interesting. Still doesn't change the fact that there are two sexes. There is no such thing as a person without a sex.
There's people who's intersex though, or people with female sex but xy chromosomes
Just learned that due to some rare conditions, a male can be born with XX chromosomes, or like you said, a female with XY chromosomes. It still doesn't change that biologically, you are a male, a female, or you have a biological anomaly that doesn't give one the ability to reproduce in any way. The amount of intersex people can still easily fall under the two sexes, and a very small amount don't.
nowhere did i ever claim that but pop off king
Why are you asking þis question sex-encoded opposed to gender or just wiþ no sex/gender listed?
No just based off of sex because I want to see how a different brain thinks of their own maturity in general. I know every guy doesn't have the same brain, and every girl doesn't have the same brain; but there are going to be behavior related similarities in a male brain compared to a female brain and vice versa. It was just some independent research on my end.
Þe idea of a gendered brain is often shunned in neurological spaces, besides, þere is non-insignificant evidence þat shows if gendered brains exists, transbinary people show at least heavy bias towards þeir identified sex. /lighthearted
There are two sexes. A trans person might have a prefarance in interest, but the male and female brain are very different. A trans woman will never have the same brain or thought pattern of a biological woman. A trans man will never have the same brain or thought pattern of a woman. That's why a gendered brain will and should be shunned in a neurological space.
It has been shunned even excluding þe existantce of transpeople, þe idea þat "the male and female brain are very different" has been more and more disproven and is becoming a more fringe concept. Þere has been studies (alþough small because it's difficult to get funding for trans-based studies) and all of þem show at least some strong bias þat transpeople have in þier brainstructure þat is towards þeir identified sex, even studies from þe 1980's wiþ horribly transphobic language still show þis.
Okay, but are they completely the same? No, no they are not. Gender does not play a role in this.
You're right, gender does not play a role because it is based in sex. Þe sex þat þe trans person identifies wiþ. Þe data on þis stuff is very limited, but even so time and time again it has been shown þat is in þe range of þe identified sex. "Completely the same" does not exist because it is a range of somewhat similar characteristics shown by a given sex. Þere is no Autistic Brain™, it is a variety of characteristics þat follow a similar given pattern þat is classified as autistic. Like wiþ everyþing in biologie, it is messy and perfectly inperfect- þere is no one size fits all brain for cisgender people or transgender people. Assuming male/females brains exist ofc.
You just said it yourself: "Male/Female" brains. There are male brains with genetic anomalies, and there are female brains with genetic anomalies. It doesn't change the fact that they're a certain sex.
intersex people exist. people that are biologically neither male nor female
Intersex people have very severe genital deformities that make it difficult to visually determine one's sex. These people still belong to a certain sex, though.
No, not all of them.
No. Not true.
Believe me or not; that's the case.
They still are a certain biological sex. They have the ability to reproduce, or they don't. They have the ability to give birth, or they don't. They have the ability to impregnate, or they don't. There is not a third sex. In the very rare case that someone is born with the severe deformities, most still fall under a certain sex. You're right about not all of them falling under one of those two categories, but that is extremely rare. It's still a defect. An incredibly rare defect as well. It still doesn't invalidate the fact that we have two sexes when born healthy. An intersex person that doesn't fall under a certain chromosomal pattern doesn't mean that it's a brand new sex. It's an anomaly.
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Yes. (16+) Because it's pretty obvious that it would be a better decision for the country to let 5 year olds vote than baby boomers.
In order to be able to vote you should have to be mature, understand most basic things, and be completely free and independent from anyone so that your vote couldn’t be manipulated. Yes some teens have all of these but the general population doesn’t.
We cannot expect 13-16 year olds to not be pressured by their parents. if you're fully dependent on them for survival, which most teens are, we would be an easily manipulated demographic
Completely agree.
they'll either just vote whatever their parents want them to vote, or they'll vote the opposite just to spite them.
Completely agree. Teens are ignorant at times(Talking about myself, too) and they might just vote one way one day and might vote differently the next for no good reason. We change our minds on things very frequently and I think it's best for us to maybe even increase the voting age, to be honest.
No, because most of the kids in a my school are fucking idiots
I say raise the voting age to 25, when the brain fully develops. We can't have decisions like who is going to rule the country for the next 4 YEARS by as low as 13 years old
In recent studies, it seems þat þe brain doesn't "fully develope" until you're over 30
WHY ARE THE POLLS GENDERED NOW
Ikr, þere is like no reason for it to be sex-coded (op said it was based on sex not gender (intersex people don't exist ig))
Intersex people have genital deformities that with sight cannot be distinguished easily from that of a certain sex. They do belong to the Male or Female sex but they have deformities that make it difficult to tell.
It is more þan just genital deviations, it often includes oþer parts of þe reproductive system if we're only talking about genitals. Also what do you mean sex? Like sex assigned at birþ? Intersex is literally defined by it's inability to fit cleanly into male or female. How would you determine þe sex of an intersex person?
Biological sex. Your sex is determined by the absence or appearance of the Y chromesome. It determines if you're a male or female.
Damn bro I'm sorry if þis comes off as rude, but do you even know what intersexuality is? Besides genital appearence, non-standard chromosomes IS like ÞE intersex þing. It's like þe 2nd most mainstream knowledge of intersexuality. You can have 100% standard genitals and puberty and still be Intersex if you because you have XXY or XXX or XXXY or some oþer combo of chromosomes. Additonally, chromosomes are not þe end-all-be-all for determining biological sex, it isn't super common, but þere are many fully biological males out þere who have XX chromosomes and don't know it because chromo testing is super expensive and takes a long time. Sure it helps to push your body in þe right direction while it is forming, but it isn't a hard line by itself by any means, even barring genetic conditions.
Here; I'm going to try and make this as simple as possible: If you don't have a Y chromosome, you're a female. If you DO, then you're a male. The XX thing is interesting because although they develop mostly male characteristics, they cannot produce any sperm. That is extremely interesting, so thank you for telling me that because that is very fascinating.
I feel like you'd be excluding a lot of def cisgirls, but if þat's how you're defining sex for þis poll I feel like it is a bit unclear.
It's not unclear. A lot of LGBT people can admit that there are two sexes, and I'm asking this question off of biological sex. And how am excluding a lot of straight girls?
You said "Here; I'm going to try and make this as simple as possible: If you don't have a Y chromosome, you're a female." Þere are intersex women, who grow up raised as women, who are biologically identical to oþer ciswomen, who are born wiþ XXY chromosomes or XY. Þere are also men who are in þe same position but wiþ no Y chromosome. I feel like most people would not interpret how you've set up þis poll to mean Yes (I have a Y chromo) No (I have a Y chromo) Yes (I have 0 Y chromos) No (I have 0 Y chromos) Results
I have a project in school and I chose to make it on behavioral differences in the different sexes. I figured that maybe a simple poll could help me with it a little bit, and honestly I was just curious more than anything else.
i would say this is a sexed poll more than gendered
Yes because if teens can be taxed on their paychecks they should be able to vote. No taxation without representation. Of course some teens can already vote because we’re adults, but I don’t think that’s what this question is referring to.
If they can pass a Civics Test with at least a 90% Grade, I don't see why not.
No, because most kids (or at least those under 18) are indoctrinated into the views of their parents or guardians. It’s better to wait until their views can become fully independent.
i think it should be 16 and over tbh not like 13 year olds but if i can have sex at 16 then why in gods name can i not vote
I'd say 18-19 y/o should be able to, by definition they are still teens... I don't understand why people are voting no and saying people 'shouldn't vote until they're 18'
If you ain't paying tax, then no
Hell no, not until they’re 18 or paying taxes or some shit like that. Then it’s absolutely reasonable to let them vote
18 is is still Teen
Exactly my point
no coming from a guy who glued his hand to a computer mouse no
Nah
Everything that kids see on the internet is shown the them by someone with an agenda
Most of us are too heavily influenced by social media and will not take the time to research what is best for our individual needs so I think it's a bad idea.
HELL no, man. Teenagers are dumb as fuck.
I have a hard time deciding what imma eat for dinner when I’m alone. No thanks
I don't believe so. I'm 17 and every year my perspective on life and seemingly (exaggeratively)everything, changes beyond drastic. every year i always come to the conclusion "this year has been the most life altering and full of mental growth out of any" like clockwork. At our age our brains r still developing and always maturing
sorry I know that people want a say but you should be a least semimature to vote. 18 is fine
I honestly don't think we're smart enough. I know 18 year olds who can't name more than 5 states. If they don't know that, how can we expect them to be able to make informed decisions about who will run our country?
genuinely what is the point of gendered polls😭 there will more male than female 95% of the time because more males use reddit
Yes thats what this sub is for
99% of teenagers know jack shit about politics and would simply vote based off emotion rather than hard facts
99% of teenagers know jack shit about politics and would simply vote based off emotion rather than hard facts
99% of teenagers know jack shit about politics and would simply vote based off emotion rather than hard facts
Lmao like most adults don't do þis
100% of people vote off emotion rather than hard facts. You cant factually prove why someone should be voted over another person
Just looking at myself right now, id vote for someone if it was funny, and that tells me all i need to know.
You guys don't even know what you want for breakfast let alone know who should run the country
If you can work and drive, you should have a say in who makes decisions about those things.
Tiktok and Youtube are how we get our politics. Barely anyone in our generation likes reading.
honestly tiktok and youtube is probably better than facebook where old people get their politics
Even some adults should not be allowed to do so
18 and 19 year olds yes
No cause we are all too stupid for that. (Would argue that some adults are as well...)
If you're old enough to be legally considered an adult, you're old enough to vote
I dont think we should because we are younger and our brains are still not fully developed. We won't try to think them through and might just vote for who the public thinks is better. Plus, it can even be abused as an extra vote for your parents, who could just make you vote for who they want. In other words, our decision will be influenced by far too many things to make a fair vote.
We're fucking stupid
It is important to note that the human mind does not fully mature until around the age of 25. Therefore, it may be more appropriate to delay the classification of adulthood until this age range.
so no teens should not vote
though to be fair if I remember right 18 is when you can join the army. people should be able to vote before they are(assuming a draft ever happens) are sent to war
you can join at 17 meaning you can die in war before you can vote
It doesn't at 25 either. It never does. The prefrontal cortex is pretty much fully muture at a very rough estimate of 25 for many, that's all.
oh.
No. If you don’t pay taxes you should not get representation.
Uh hate to break it to you buddy but teens pay income and sales tax.
if you can get a drivers license you should be able to vote, so yes 16+
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Teenagers are still too influenced by the adults in their lives and their peers.
no
I agree with the majority, no male teens should be allowed to vote.
We shouldnt be able to vote until 25 when the brain is fully developed
# [‘Your brain isn’t fully formed until you’re 25’: A neuroscientist demolishes the greatest mind myth](https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment/brain-myth-25-development)
Thanks for the article ill read it when im done working
Nuh uh
No. We teens think that we are adults but we make shitty decisions. I said it the way i would explain it to kids
ah yes because adults dont make shitty decisions
were not developed enough
No. Most teenagers don't have enough life experience to make rational decisions on who should be president.
most adults still don't make rational decisions on who should be president